From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1390 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, August 31 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1390 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:13:32 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... I got four hides for free, fleshed 'em and soaked them in a salt brine for a few weeks. Even with the salt, the later rinse, the bucking in lye and rinse in a constant stream of water (hose trickle in a big Rubbermaid container) for several days, these hides still have a bit of a gamey smell - not rotten - just gamey. Not overpowering, but definitely stout in aroma. Are these hides OK in your opinion. Other than the smell they do not seem to be any worse for the wear. - -Chris B. South Carolina - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:03:15 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My apologies. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:19:52 -0600 From: "G Pakulski" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... That All right , I'd like to know the answer to that one myself.. I haven't tanned a hide for a whole lot of years and we always learn more..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My apologies. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:03:27 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... IN my humble and not expert opinoin hides always smell. Like the critter, like the bucking, like wet leather, like brains, like smoke, like horse sweat, like grease and dirt, like worn out leather. If it was a rotten smell I would worry. If I had a wife that didn't like the smell in the house Id worry, as it is I wouldn't worry. Wynn Ormond With a mere ten braining under his belt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Pakulski" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > That All right , I'd like to know the answer to that one myself.. I haven't > tanned a hide for a whole lot of years and we always learn more..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > > > Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My apologies. > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:13:11 -0700 From: "Matt Richards" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... Smells are fine at that stage. Hides can get really, really, rank and still be tanned, and once they are smoked both the bacteria and smell will disappear. With brain tan buckskin, the only sure sign that there is a problem is if the hide starts falling apart... Matt Richards www.braintan.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Wynn Ormond Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:03 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... IN my humble and not expert opinoin hides always smell. Like the critter, like the bucking, like wet leather, like brains, like smoke, like horse sweat, like grease and dirt, like worn out leather. If it was a rotten smell I would worry. If I had a wife that didn't like the smell in the house Id worry, as it is I wouldn't worry. Wynn Ormond With a mere ten braining under his belt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Pakulski" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > That All right , I'd like to know the answer to that one myself.. I haven't > tanned a hide for a whole lot of years and we always learn more..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > > > Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My apologies. > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:22:40 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... List, It's good to know that we have Matt reading our e-mails. I met Matt and his bunch down at Vipond Park and he knows his stuff. And of course I have his book. I have two question about hides. I have several fine deer hides that I skinned right away, fleshed clean, then salted till dry. Some are a year old some are two and some are three years old. They still look good but I was wondering if the older ones are still worth tanning? Also a brain tanner once told me it harder to tan a hide that has been salted? Any truth to that? Just like to know before I try to tan the older ones. Thanks for any help, bb > Smells are fine at that stage. Hides can get really, really, rank and > still > be tanned, and once they are smoked both the bacteria and smell will > disappear. With brain tan buckskin, the only sure sign that there is a > problem is if the hide starts falling apart... > > Matt Richards > www.braintan.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Wynn Ormond > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:03 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > IN my humble and not expert opinoin hides always smell. Like the critter, > like the bucking, like wet leather, like brains, like smoke, like horse > sweat, like grease and dirt, like worn out leather. If it was a rotten > smell I would worry. If I had a wife that didn't like the smell in the > house Id worry, as it is I wouldn't worry. > > Wynn Ormond > With a mere ten braining under his belt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G Pakulski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > >> That All right , I'd like to know the answer to that one myself.. I > haven't >> tanned a hide for a whole lot of years and we always learn more..... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... >> >> >> > Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My > apologies. >> > >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:04:02 -0700 From: "Matt Richards" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... BB & List, Typically, old dried out hides are really nice to tan. There is a mucus like substance in between the fibers that breaks down with age. With this stuff gone, it is considerably easier to get the hides brained and softened. Three year old dried out hides often tan up to be the softest you've ever felt. The negative side is that dried out hides are usually harder to scrape. The grain just clings more tightly. Certainly doable, many people tan hides that are stored dry, and I used to too, its just not optimal. The only problem salt causes with brain tanning is that if its not rinsed out properly (overnight in a barrel with water trickling through it), then they are harder to dry-scrape --- they just don't dry on the frame right. With wetscrape its completely not an issue. The idea salting makes brain tan harder or worse is just a common lay brain tanners myth. No truth to it whatsoever. Salt enters hides easily, and it rinses out easily. The myth probably started from someone who dryscrapes but wasn't doing the overnight rinse to get the salt out first. I've tanned a 1000+ salted hides... Matt Richards www.braintan.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of beaverboy@sofast.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:23 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... List, It's good to know that we have Matt reading our e-mails. I met Matt and his bunch down at Vipond Park and he knows his stuff. And of course I have his book. I have two question about hides. I have several fine deer hides that I skinned right away, fleshed clean, then salted till dry. Some are a year old some are two and some are three years old. They still look good but I was wondering if the older ones are still worth tanning? Also a brain tanner once told me it harder to tan a hide that has been salted? Any truth to that? Just like to know before I try to tan the older ones. Thanks for any help, bb > Smells are fine at that stage. Hides can get really, really, rank and > still > be tanned, and once they are smoked both the bacteria and smell will > disappear. With brain tan buckskin, the only sure sign that there is a > problem is if the hide starts falling apart... > > Matt Richards > www.braintan.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Wynn Ormond > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:03 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > IN my humble and not expert opinoin hides always smell. Like the critter, > like the bucking, like wet leather, like brains, like smoke, like horse > sweat, like grease and dirt, like worn out leather. If it was a rotten > smell I would worry. If I had a wife that didn't like the smell in the > house Id worry, as it is I wouldn't worry. > > Wynn Ormond > With a mere ten braining under his belt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G Pakulski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... > > >> That All right , I'd like to know the answer to that one myself.. I > haven't >> tanned a hide for a whole lot of years and we always learn more..... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... >> >> >> > Sorry guys, that was meant to go to Mr. Mitchell off-list. My > apologies. >> > >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1390 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.