From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #144 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, September 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 144 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:45:32 -0500 From: "Ken" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house Howdy Linda, Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time. So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there! YellowFeather Dear Linda, Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add my two cents worth. First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs. The four-legged ones. I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul. Keep looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for You will come along. Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal. There's a psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves. I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it. But, when you find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT! So don't despair, there are some out there. Love, Calamity Jane (Pam) - ---------- > From: Linda Holley > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM > > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding that all of > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me. Except it is hard to tell > people what we do. For men to tell the ladies, they understand your going out with > the boys for the weekend camp out. With us girls it is, You are going where and > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in this life > time. Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the husbands. > Must be some kind of macho thing. I do not really know. But the last time I said > I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty house, > except for the two dogs. They died. > > > Linda Holley > > > Thomas H. Harbold wrote: > > > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote: > > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time, they > > >see the > > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over and then > > >say good-bye. Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my weapons or my > > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air. So what if > > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin. Isn't there anyone out there > > >that understands me????? > > > > > >Linda Holley ........except you guys. > > > > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been > > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!! > > ***siiiiigh...*** > > > > ;-) > > > > Yr most humble, &c., > > > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:31:17 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house thanks for the messages.....they are appriciated........ Linda Holley Ken wrote: > Howdy Linda, > Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think > it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she > shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her > favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at > rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in > the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for > a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our > three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like > that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year > solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met > who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an > Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set > up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time. > So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too > dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there! > YellowFeather > > Dear Linda, > Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add > my two cents worth. First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs. The > four-legged ones. I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul. Keep > looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for > You will come along. Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty > insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal. There's a > psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the > kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept > that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves. > I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's > supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it. But, when you > find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT! So > don't despair, there are some out there. > > Love, > Calamity Jane > (Pam) > > ---------- > > From: Linda Holley > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house > > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM > > > > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding > that all of > > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me. Except it is > hard to tell > > people what we do. For men to tell the ladies, they understand your > going out with > > the boys for the weekend camp out. With us girls it is, You are going > where and > > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in > this life > > time. Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the > husbands. > > Must be some kind of macho thing. I do not really know. But the last > time I said > > I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty > house, > > except for the two dogs. They died. > > > > > > Linda Holley > > > > > > Thomas H. Harbold wrote: > > > > > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time, > they > > > >see the > > > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over > and then > > > >say good-bye. Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my > weapons or my > > > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air. So > what if > > > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin. Isn't there anyone out > there > > > >that understands me????? > > > > > > > >Linda Holley ........except you guys. > > > > > > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been > > > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!! > > > ***siiiiigh...*** > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Yr most humble, &c., > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:38:58 -0500 From: Eli Kutzko Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house Linda Holley wrote: ...it is hard to tell > people what we do..... With us girls it is, You are going where and > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in this life > time. I know this one well. My ex was like that with the accusations. One night while he was at work, I packed up my truck, put my dog in the passenger seat, and drove off. Smartest thing I ever did. Don't fret it. Not all men are like that. My husband is used to me running all over heck and lore at the drop of a hat. I suffer from a bad case of must-wander. He knows I'll be back. Just recently I ran into a snag on accomodations because I wanted to run lighter than usual. My hubby suggested I bunk with one of my ex-lovers who was going to be there. I laughed so hard I nearly blew venison out my nose. Men like that are a great change in pace (there are more of them out there than you think). Trust is a wonderful thing. Sorry too about the dogs... you really ought to think of getting some new furry buddies. Eli ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ Eli Kutzko "Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." The Brigader (Dr. Who) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:33:36 -0700 From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house my kind of woman. iron tongue Linda Holley wrote: > Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time, they see the > guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over and then > say good-bye. Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my weapons or my > camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air. So what if > my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin. Isn't there anyone out there > that understands me????? > > Linda Holley ........except you guys. > > Addison Miller wrote: > > > heh... I usually made it a habit of cleaning all my BP rifles when my > > daughter brought her boyfriends over. Funny thing.... never say many of > > them more than once... Musta been because I had my stone and most of my BIG > > knives layin beside the rifles... Ya think ?? > > > > Seanbear > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on fires > > > > >Allen > > >My step-daughter has brought home a few of those pierced nose, shaved head > > >punks that I would gladly started a fire with...offered to with a couple of > > >them. > > >Lanney > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Allen Chronister > > >To: chat > > >Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:03 AM > > >Subject: MtMan-List: more on fires > > > > > > > > >>More on firemaking. Someone questioned how much > > >>char cloth would be needed to start 3 fires a day > > >>for extended periods of time. Someone else very > > >>correctly noted that once a fire is started it > > >>need not be put out as long as camp stays in the > > >>same place. This is certainly the practice when > > >>we camp, and it is reflected in period journals. > > >>O. Russell stated that the jobs of a camp keeper > > >>(his original job description) included guarding > > >>horses, cooking and keeping the fires going (p. > > >>51). > > >>John Kirk Townsend described drying meat, during > > >>which time the fire was "going constantly." (p. > > >>106) > > >>I also found another reference to making fire. > > >>David Meriweather mentioned striking fire with > > >>flint and steel and "some punk we had taken with > > >>us." (p. 59). "Punk" of course probably means > > >>charred plant material, not some guy with a > > >>pierced nose, shaved head and a motorcycle jacket. > > >>Allen Chronister > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:50:43 -0700 From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house got the same problem with girls i bring out hear to my house about 1/2 hr and they ask what do the woman do out hear . i know then im sunk so i tell them that my last wife didn't have much to do because i kept her busy skinning skunk an possum. told hr that i wouldn't work her more than 10 or 12 hr. a day and she could work for the jones boys in her spare time cutting wood . the wouldn't be mean to her if she worked hard and didn't eat to much. kept that woman locked in the basement cant understand why she left me. then i wait for them to say well iv got to go now and we will get together soon ya right . sometimes i laff tell i get tears in my eyes. iron tongue Ken wrote: > Howdy Linda, > Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think > it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she > shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her > favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at > rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in > the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for > a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our > three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like > that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year > solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met > who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an > Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set > up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time. > So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too > dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there! > YellowFeather > > Dear Linda, > Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add > my two cents worth. First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs. The > four-legged ones. I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul. Keep > looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for > You will come along. Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty > insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal. There's a > psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the > kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept > that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves. > I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's > supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it. But, when you > find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT! So > don't despair, there are some out there. > > Love, > Calamity Jane > (Pam) > > ---------- > > From: Linda Holley > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house > > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM > > > > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding > that all of > > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me. Except it is > hard to tell > > people what we do. For men to tell the ladies, they understand your > going out with > > the boys for the weekend camp out. With us girls it is, You are going > where and > > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in > this life > > time. Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the > husbands. > > Must be some kind of macho thing. I do not really know. But the last > time I said > > I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty > house, > > except for the two dogs. They died. > > > > > > Linda Holley > > > > > > Thomas H. Harbold wrote: > > > > > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time, > they > > > >see the > > > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over > and then > > > >say good-bye. Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my > weapons or my > > > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air. So > what if > > > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin. Isn't there anyone out > there > > > >that understands me????? > > > > > > > >Linda Holley ........except you guys. > > > > > > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been > > > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!! > > > ***siiiiigh...*** > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Yr most humble, &c., > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:09:32 -0500 From: Eli Kutzko Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man Linda Holley wrote: > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding that all of > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me. Except it is hard to tell > people what we do..... Okay, let me add my two cents: First off, this is NOT Eli. This is Sean, Eli's husband. She is wonderful to look at, and also sweet to the touch (as somebody else wrote of their wife). That being said, there is NO question who you'd want in the middle of nowhere. Eli would be out there with a pack, good boots, maybe a decent knife, and a well-made hat. She'd catch fish with her bare hands, cook them over a fire made with flint (matches are for wimps), burp loudly after dinner, and sleep on bare ground. Me? I'd be dying from heat exhaustion after lugging my pack around, complete with ham radio gear, aluminum poles for antennas, portable generator, canvas tent with room for 12, global positioning system, and electric bread-making machine. I'd squeal if I got a hangnail, and go into withdrawl without access to a National Public Radio station to listen to. She can do whatever the hell she wants.. think *I'M* gonna stop her? There are a lot of guys who appreciate good, strong women! Eli can stand on her own two feet (and bail my butt out of a SERIOUS jam if need be). Don't give up the search...he's out there, hiding under some rock. Okay, gotta run.. my decaf mocha is getting cold. Sean Kutzko Urbana, Illinois ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ Eli Kutzko "Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." The Brigader (Dr. Who) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:40:45 -0500 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man Washtahay- gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said... >my decaf mocha is getting cold. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:03:49 -0600 From: Wayne Mumford Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man Linda, This string is really fun, not that I'm enjoying your situation, it's just that a woman with your interests etc.is like manna form heaven these days. I have couple single buddies that get tangled up in some of the crazziest relationships with some real loonie tunes. Whether you know it or not- you are in great demand and you WILL run into a "good man" one of these days. With the pack that I used to run with before I got married, all hopeless outdoor types, we would have been bouncing off your tipi flaps like hail in thunderstorm. Maybe it defies the male logic to see a woman with all the toys and attributes that he would like to have himself so it sets him back a bit...but if he's gone Ga-Ga he'll get over it! I remember we once saw an attractive gall in an ol beat up pickup truck with a couple dogs riding shotgun and the whole bunch of us about fell over ourselves with little cartoon hearts floating all over the place. And she was long gone before anyone had recovered enough sense to give a chase... He's out there...just hasn't caught up with you yet! Wayne - -- Frontier Filmworks Still Photography by Wayne Mumford Locations-Prints-Stock Images The Lewis & Clark Trail http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:27:17 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man Ok, Sean... I'll write of my GREAT wife :)) Her first Ronny was Alafia 96, adn she took to it like a duck to water. My first wife just dinna understand... said it was just games, adn I dinna need that... sure don't miss her!! Vicki (I call her Mouse), is the GREATEST partner a guy could have. Get camp set up, adn she shoos me off.. and putters until the camp is perfect... Drives me nuts, but I love it... heh... She shoots a lil .36, and on her first shoot, could cover the holes with a small plate. Loads her own and is gettin to be a good shot. She will definately do to ride tha river with... She is my soul mate, my lover, my companion, my wife... GADS!!!, its great :)) SeanBear aka Addison Miller - -----Original Message----- From: Eli Kutzko To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:00 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man >Linda Holley wrote: > >> Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the >understanding that all of >> you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me. >Except it is hard to tell >> people what we do..... > >Okay, let me add my two cents: > >First off, this is NOT Eli. This is Sean, Eli's husband. She is >wonderful to look at, and also sweet to the touch (as somebody >else wrote of their wife). That being said, there is NO question >who you'd want in the middle of nowhere. Eli would be out there >with a pack, good boots, maybe a decent knife, and a well-made >hat. She'd catch fish with her bare hands, cook them over a fire >made with flint (matches are for wimps), burp loudly after >dinner, and sleep on bare ground. Me? I'd be dying from heat >exhaustion after lugging my pack around, complete with ham radio >gear, aluminum poles for antennas, portable generator, canvas >tent with room for 12, global positioning system, and electric >bread-making machine. I'd squeal if I got a hangnail, and go >into withdrawl without access to a National Public Radio station >to listen to. > >She can do whatever the hell she wants.. think *I'M* gonna stop >her? > >There are a lot of guys who appreciate good, strong women! Eli >can stand on her own two feet (and bail my butt out of a SERIOUS >jam if need be). Don't give up the search...he's out there, >hiding under some rock. > >Okay, gotta run.. my decaf mocha is getting cold. > >Sean Kutzko >Urbana, Illinois > > >~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ >Eli Kutzko > >"Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace >that wasn't immune to bullets." The Brigader (Dr. Who) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:30:15 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man I've known Linda for several years, and she is a real sweetie :)) If'n Mouse wasn't in my tent, I'd give chase real quick... Hang in there Hon... He's out there, and one day, you will find him. Just send Mouse and me an invite to tha weddin.... :)) SeanBear PS: You goin to the Highland Games in Tallahassee 8-11 Oct?? - -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Mumford To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 12:00 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man >Linda, > >This string is really fun, not that I'm enjoying your situation, it's >just that a woman with your interests etc.is like manna form heaven >these days. I have couple single buddies that get tangled up in some of >the crazziest relationships with some real loonie tunes. Whether you >know it or not- you are in great demand and you WILL run into a "good >man" one of these days. With the pack that I used to run with before I >got married, all hopeless outdoor types, we would have been bouncing off >your tipi flaps like hail in thunderstorm. > >Maybe it defies the male logic to see a woman with all the toys and >attributes that he would like to have himself so it sets him back a >bit...but if he's gone Ga-Ga he'll get over it! > >I remember we once saw an attractive gall in an ol beat up pickup truck >with a couple dogs riding shotgun and the whole bunch of us about fell >over ourselves with little cartoon hearts floating all over the place. >And she was long gone before anyone had recovered enough sense to give a >chase... > >He's out there...just hasn't caught up with you yet! > >Wayne >-- >Frontier Filmworks >Still Photography by Wayne Mumford >Locations-Prints-Stock Images >The Lewis & Clark Trail >http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:07:43 -0700 From: Corey Tretteen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man -Reply hmmmmmm.... : ) I like this string. It's fun. And Linda, Good luck, and I'm sorry about the dogs. "two roads diverge in a yellow wood..... who needs a road?* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:38:13 -0600 From: "David Tippets" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Meriweather on Kit Carson Allen, Since you have apparently read David Meriweather's book, let me ask you what you think of Meriweather's assessment of Kit Carson being so contrary to the image of Carson promoted by John Fremont and Carson's biographers? Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Allen Chronister To: chat Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 10:03 AM Subject: MtMan-List: more on fires >More on firemaking. Someone questioned how much >char cloth would be needed to start 3 fires a day >for extended periods of time. Someone else very >correctly noted that once a fire is started it >need not be put out as long as camp stays in the >same place. This is certainly the practice when >we camp, and it is reflected in period journals. >O. Russell stated that the jobs of a camp keeper >(his original job description) included guarding >horses, cooking and keeping the fires going (p. >51). >John Kirk Townsend described drying meat, during >which time the fire was "going constantly." (p. >106) >I also found another reference to making fire. >David Meriweather mentioned striking fire with >flint and steel and "some punk we had taken with >us." (p. 59). "Punk" of course probably means >charred plant material, not some guy with a >pierced nose, shaved head and a motorcycle jacket. >Allen Chronister > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:04:02 -0500 From: Eli Kutzko Subject: MtMan-List: Mocha and Request for info > Washtahay- > gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said... > >my decaf mocha is getting cold. > LongWalker c. du B. > <*snicker*> He's just giving you guys some grief. He's still quite green though. Gonna walk it out of him next June however. He's gotten it into his head that he wants to spend a couple of weeks up in the Sangre de Cristo Range along the San Luis Valley of Co. I figure I have my work cut out for me. Last time I suggested we go somewhere fairly remote, I about keeled over when I saw the pile of gear he "had" to take. When he started talking about renting a generator, I altered the travel plans a bit. This time I've got a couple of mules for him to deal with if he wants all that stuff. That oughta learn him. ;o) So on a side tangent, does anyone know of a source for information regarding Annie Blanche Sokalski besides Dee Brown's Gentle Tamers? She was apparently quite the character. A little late for the trade era however (he mentions her in the 1860s). She traveled in a wolfskin riding habit with thirteen dogs and was quite a markswoman. Didn't take any grief from men whatsoever. Eli ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ Eli Kutzko "Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." The Brigader (Dr. Who) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:01:54 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house > But the last time I said I was >going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty >house, except for the two dogs. They died. Did that clod leave them to die? Sounds like someone needs a Scalping at least(preferably more ;-) ) Sorry, I have a bad attitude about anyone who abuses kids,animals,etc. and would like to treat them all to the same things they do! Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well "They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:02:03 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man >Washtahay- >gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said... >>my decaf mocha is getting cold. >LongWalker c. du B. Yup,even listens to GOOD radio! Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well "They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:53:58 -0600 From: "David Tippets" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Deleware Allen, As per Deleware forting up to fight other Indians, I believe that it's is part of the Kit Carson legend that he was with Deleware hunters on the Southern Plains when they were attacked by Commache and forted up behind their carcasses of their own horses which they killed to form a barracade. In the version of the story which I read most recently, there was no mention of Deleware women in the party. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Allen Chronister To: chat Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 2:20 PM Subject: MtMan-List: need help >Somewhere, sometime in the past, I remember >reading in the vast literature of the western fur >trade, a description of a battle between a group >of Delaware hunter/trappers and a group of >opposing Indians. The Delawares took up a >fortified position with their families in the >center, and during the fight the delaware women >were casting balls and passing them to the >fighting men. Great stuff, but I can't locate it. > >Can anybody else rmember where it is, or is it >just my imagination? >Allen Chronister > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:10:48 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history please!!! Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:11:42 -0700 From: "P. Amschler" Subject: MtMan-List: Out of the Woods Well I will admit that finding a good man is the same as finding a good woman! I was married for 8 looooong years to a women who would not even look at a gun let alone touch one! She did everything in her power to keep the young's away from our true history! Now she has a son in the rangers as a snipper and a daughter who is married to a guy that has LOT'S of guns! As for me I have a wife who shoots better, than I do, kinda humbling, love to hunt and fish and is native american! Before you date someone some friends of mine used to say "Before you ask her out ask her if she rides horses and shoots GUNS?" (all of us old ones should remember Sky King) When I asked her she looked at me like I was nuts then as a joke said sure I do all that! BAM BAM BAM Fell in love found out she had never shot anything till we met and now if I go to a gun shop without her I sleep with the spiders (don't have a dog anymore). We spent seven months on a res together now she is going to her first Ronny this weekend! Boy I struck it rich with her! Paul 'Oso" amschler I know this doesn't meet the list's rules but hope to just throw out my 2cents in support of women in search of a good man! - --- amschlers@mailcity.com Get your FREE E-mail at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:26:12 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: enoughs enough Lighten up, Joe :) This IS sorta history... Remember the "Mail Order Brides" in Oregon and the West coast?? ...*chuckles* SeanBear - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brandl To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:12 AM Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough >OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history please!!! >Joe > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 >Write for custom tanning prices >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and >hair on robes >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:51:08 -0500 From: "Ken" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: enoughs enough > Lighten up, Joe :) This IS sorta history... Remember the "Mail Order > Brides" in Oregon and the West coast?? ...*chuckles* > > SeanBear Sorta nothing, it's our history! :) Most of us chose doing this because of a love of the history, the style, the romance ( yeah, admit it! ), and a way of life we would choose over our current condition. This old curmudgeon has enjoyed it enormously! Calamity and I learned there's still a great bunch of people who like doing it their own way and not following the herd. YellowFeather - -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Brandl > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:12 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough > > > >OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history please!!! > >Joe > > > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery > >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 > >Write for custom tanning prices > >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and > >hair on robes > >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets > >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #144 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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