From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #191 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, December 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 191 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:09:13 +0100 From: Allen Chronister Subject: MtMan-List: mileage A while back there was considerable discussion about which way was up or down or left or right regarding rivers in the old days. On a slightly related topic, does anyone have any information (such as period journals or writings, for example) about how folks in the late 18th and early 19th centuries estimated their daily travel distances? While I can think of some rather tedious ways to maybe do it, is there any real info available? People in historic journals often give rather specific numbers as to how far they traveled each day, and they are often fairly close. Thanks. Allen Chronister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:27:25 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nail(s) and Thread reuse A pennyweight is a standard of measure used in the TROY standard of weight. It has been standardized at 24 grains or 1555.2mg. 20 pennyweight equals one TROY ounce and 12 TROY ounces equals 1 TROY pound. As example; no 16d nail weighs 3/4 of a TROY ounce and 100 of them weigh= well in excess of 3/4 ounce. Some charlatans, even today, will try and deal precious metals from the unsuspecting by throwing a penny on the scale. I've weighed many English= and American large and small cents and have yet to find a real correlation of weight to denomination. Of course until the mid-1800's weight and measure lacked strong standards. As the abbreviation "d" is taken from the Roman "denarius" for penny it may have originally referenced the weight of a Roman penny which I've not had the chance to weigh and compare. Not everything in every book is accurate. I have early sets of weights which were made to differing standards and some which were obviously made to hoodwink the unsuspecting. The designation for nails was based on price not weight as was previously posted. A 16d finish nail is much slimmer in cross section than a 16d= common nail. Headed nails are also heavier within a given size which today only references length. In the early nineteenth century a wider variety of nails was available than today -- even from Tremont. Not every nail on Tremont's sample board is still available from them. In the 20+ years I've been= buying from them several have been discontinued for lack of interest.=20 I've not before heard of "saving" thread for reuse (as thread) from worn garments. My experience with traditional thread is it isn't worth saving= when the garment is worn out. I would be interested in the reference the information was drawn from. John... At 08:58 AM 12/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-12-11 21:17:49 EST, you write: > ><< Some years ago at Williamsburg I was watching a nailmaking > demonstration and asked the smith just what the various 'penny' sizes > meant.=A0 He told me that was the price per hundred nails.=A0 6d being > much smaller than 16d, so were cheaper. >=A0 >> > >In one of the old theatre text books I have in a box somewhere (scenery >construction) it said that the 6d =3D 100 6 penny nails based on weight for >weight.=A0 And that that was based on the old English Penny which was a= large >coin compared to our penny today.=A0 I wish I could locate the text but= there >are to many books in the storage room all boxed up to find it easily.=A0=20 > >Your humble servant > >C.T. Oakes >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:13 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A few items . . . Andrea, In your original posting you asked for "authentic" Indian designs for the blankets and the respondent rightly posted there aren't any. You asked if braintan and beads were used to accent and again the response was correct based on the phrasing of your questions. You seem to have taken offense at answers phrased properly based on your questions.=20 John... At 05:58 PM 12/14/98 -0500, you wrote: > I would like to clarify a couple of items before we go any farther= regarding >replica and other types of clothing.=A0 The subject of any person=92s= clothing, I >believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about individuals >from past times or those in the present.=A0 Clothing is a representation of= a >person=92s personal expression in a very direct way.=A0 Therefore, I= believe a >certain amount of respect is warranted. > > My approach to clothing design and crafting is based on enjoyment,= expanded >options, and freedom of choice.=A0 There is no place in my work for setting >strict dress codes or establishing hard-and-fast rules. I frequently= discuss >different options concerning a particular garment as a means of making my= own >personal choices and helping other people to make theirs.=A0 My interest in >replica clothing does not mean that I am willing to have my clothing and >design choices judged.=A0=20 > > If the above is offensive to anyone on the list then we may have reached= an >impasse because this is the way I work and live.=A0 I will probably really catch >it for this, but I think you deserve to know exactly where I am coming= from. > >Thank you, >Andrea Moore >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:03:14 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage Also, if I might ask...how did these folks know how far they actually traveled? I once told a friend I had walked about 6 miles however when measured it was a whopping 4 3/4 miles! How embarrassing! Sheesh! MB Allen Chronister wrote: > A while back there was considerable discussion > about which way was up or down or left or right > regarding rivers in the old days. > On a slightly related topic, does anyone have any > information (such as period journals or writings, > for example) about how folks in the late 18th and > early 19th centuries estimated their daily travel > distances? While I can think of some rather > tedious ways to maybe do it, is there any real > info available? People in historic journals often > give rather specific numbers as to how far they > traveled each day, and they are often fairly > close. Thanks. > Allen Chronister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:31:07 EST From: Tomactor@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage Hi, Allen The Mormons had an odometer. There is one of them in the Scottsbluff NM. I have picture somewhere. I'll dig it out for you. I have also heard they assigned one of the kids to count the revolutions of a wheel. The kids probably invented the odometer. Tom Laidlaw In a message dated 12/14/98 6:03:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, Buckskinner@gbis.com writes: << A while back there was considerable discussion > about which way was up or down or left or right > regarding rivers in the old days. > On a slightly related topic, does anyone have any > information (such as period journals or writings, > for example) about how folks in the late 18th and > early 19th centuries estimated their daily travel > distances? While I can think of some rather > tedious ways to maybe do it, is there any real > info available? People in historic journals often > give rather specific numbers as to how far they > traveled each day, and they are often fairly > close. Thanks. > Allen Chronister >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:37:34 EST From: Tomactor@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_913689458_boundary Content-ID: <0_913689458@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Attached is a picture of an odometer which was used by the Mormons. It resides at Scottsbluff, NM Tom Laidlaw In a message dated 12/14/98 6:03:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, Buckskinner@gbis.com writes: << Also, if I might ask...how did these folks know how far they actually traveled? I once told a friend I had walked about 6 miles however when measured it was a whopping 4 3/4 miles! How embarrassing! Sheesh! MB Allen Chronister wrote: > A while back there was considerable discussion > about which way was up or down or left or right > regarding rivers in the old days. > On a slightly related topic, does anyone have any > information (such as period journals or writings, > for example) about how folks in the late 18th and > early 19th centuries estimated their daily travel > distances? While I can think of some rather > tedious ways to maybe do it, is there any real > info available? People in historic journals often > give rather specific numbers as to how far they > traveled each day, and they are often fairly > close. 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Dear Andrea, I hope that no one was 'judging your tastes, etc... I believe what was said was only in keeping a historical perspective (which is what the AMM is all about). When reading your blanket question, my thought was - Pendelton blankets is what you want- These blankets are beautiful, My father has an extensive collection. They are not correct to our Fur Trade period (pre 1850). For us (AMM Members) these blankets are not appropriate for our area of interest. I don't think judgement was being passed, just the fact that these blankets were post 1850. I just made a 'Canoe Capote' from a Whitney Horse Rug. This is a blanket which is slightly smaller than a 4 point, but 15% heavier (thicker). I chose this blanket for its 'R' value, ie warmth. Is it representitive of a blanket at a 1830's RDVS, No..... but it will keep me warm when I'm in the snow and woods. I appreciate all of your postings, i bought an expandable file yesterday to keep my collection in. I think that most, if not all, of us appreciate your time and efforts in educating us about sewing, etc... We are benefitting from your knowledge and expertise, please don't be offended by some of our 'purists' thoughts. We are about authenticity, In an AMM camp. Of course there are many other areas of reenactment. Do I here 3 Cheers for Andrea Boys???? Hardtack ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:00:08 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage Tom, thanks for that very cool picture. makes me think that Paul Bunyon musta been the Mormon that wore it. LOL. Could you please describe how it operated? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:21:26 EST From: Tomactor@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage In a message dated 12/14/98 7:15:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, RR1LA@aol.com writes: << Tom, thanks for that very cool picture. makes me think that Paul Bunyon musta been the Mormon that wore it. LOL. Could you please describe how it operated? Thanks. >> Somewhere, somehow, there was a connection to the wagon wheel. I guess it's like an adding machine: Every so many turns of the wagon wheel turns one notch of the gear and that gear turns another. and that's an odometer, not a chronometer. The wagon wore it, not the person. LOL :) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:27:57 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A few items . . . Andrea, In the past 20-25 years people have come forth, with their ideas of how people would have dressed or would have looked (in their own mind), and refused to just study history, or look at what was being sent on trade lists, look at artist's work that were there. They preferred to make them fancier than they were and we ended up with these Hollywood characters seen for years, we saw it in the movies, it must be correct. Wrong, that's why in the last 10 years or so members from the historical societies and other groups that have made a life long study of the varoius time frames are now being hired by the movie makers to correct some of these clothing mistakes, matters of appearance or the way the public will see the character, trying to give a more correct image for that period, etc. Look at what has been done in late years with "Black Robe", "Last of the Moc", "Dances with Wolves", "Son of Morning Star", etc., people like Cathy Smith, Jerry Farthenhold and Jerry Crandall (known for their dedicated research) were used to handle clothing and weapons, for a correct appearance of what was used or worn. Not someone's personal taste, but what was available and documentated in journals or shown in works of art by artist's that were there at that time. It all comes down to research and then more research, we have found mistakes that "people in the know" have made on dates, locations and who or what was going on at a given time on this "list", all through research and comparing notes, not just what one person feels is his or her personal thing. You ask a question we try and give you a correct answer, don't go with what you see in the movies as being always correct or at an event or rendezvous, in the larger settlements of the 1700's and 1800's the wealthy had fancy clothing, but on the out line areas these people had to work to survive and everthing they had was used to work in, relax if possible in, or go to church in, just common plain clothes were the norm. When they finally wore out they were used to patch other clothes or make bags, etc. and finally saved to be broke down to make paper in the settlements. Its all there in black and white, journals, books, and letters of the time. Most folks worked they didn't have the option to stand around and look nice or show off what they had, they were to busy trying to stay alive and keep their families alive. Buck ___________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Amoore2120@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 4:30 PM Subject: MtMan-List: A few items . . . I would like to clarify a couple of items before we go any farther regarding replica and other types of clothing. The subject of any person’s clothing, I believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about individuals from past times or those in the present. Clothing is a representation of a person’s personal expression in a very direct way. Therefore, I believe a certain amount of respect is warranted. My approach to clothing design and crafting is based on enjoyment, expanded options, and freedom of choice. There is no place in my work for setting strict dress codes or establishing hard-and-fast rules. I frequently discuss different options concerning a particular garment as a means of making my own personal choices and helping other people to make theirs. My interest in replica clothing does not mean that I am willing to have my clothing and design choices judged. If the above is offensive to anyone on the list then we may have reached an impasse because this is the way I work and live. I will probably really catch it for this, but I think you deserve to know exactly where I am coming from. Thank you, Andrea Moore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:29:52 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage Tom is correct, read about this device in the museum in Salt Lake a few years ago. Buck ___________ - -----Original Message----- From: Tomactor@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 7:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mileage >Hi, Allen > >The Mormons had an odometer. There is one of them in the Scottsbluff NM. I >have picture somewhere. I'll dig it out for you. I have also heard they >assigned one of the kids to count the revolutions of a wheel. The kids >probably invented the odometer. > >Tom Laidlaw > >In a message dated 12/14/98 6:03:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >Buckskinner@gbis.com writes: > > ><< A while back there was considerable discussion > > about which way was up or down or left or right > > regarding rivers in the old days. > > On a slightly related topic, does anyone have any > > information (such as period journals or writings, > > for example) about how folks in the late 18th and > > early 19th centuries estimated their daily travel > > distances? While I can think of some rather > > tedious ways to maybe do it, is there any real > > info available? People in historic journals often > > give rather specific numbers as to how far they > > traveled each day, and they are often fairly > > close. Thanks. > > Allen Chronister >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:49:14 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A few items . . . - --------------5EFED747CC4850A755CFDB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net id VAA13426 Dear Andrea, Am I one of those who gave you insult? My most sincere apologies. That, m= ost assuredly was not my intent. As has been pointed out to you though, you asked for a= dvise and others opinions. My efforts to be of assistance came from the assumption = that you might no be familiar with the fact of life that this is a history list and we p= repare for and attend reenactment functions where yours and our choice of clothing, pers= onal as that may be, is judged by our peers and there are things we may not wear or do= at these functions lest we not be welcome. That having been said, your personal choice for dress away from these ree= nactments of history is certainly yours to make. You may exercise your gift for creati= vity to your hearts desire. At historical functions your freedom to be creative is lim= ited to what is historically correct for the time period set and deviating from that is t= o show great disrespect for those folks who are in attendance and working very hard to= be historically correct. That is why we have discussions of what we think wa= s how things were done. So that we may learn form one another and grow in our understa= nding of how it was truly done in a bygone era, not how we think they should have done it= . One of the most onerous things to hear a "player" say with regard to this sport of h= istorical reenacting is "Well they would have used it if they would have had it". M= isses the whole point of doing this. I hope we now have a better understanding of each other. I might apologiz= e for what undoubtedly sounds like a lecture but you seemed to invite further expla= nation and as one of the first to try to help you answer your original questions, I tho= ught it my place. In the best spirit of friendship, I will remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Amoore2120@aol.com wrote: > I would like to clarify a couple of items before we go any fart= her regarding > replica and other types of clothing. The subject of any person=92s clo= thing, I > believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about individ= uals > from past times or those in the present. Clothing is a representation = of a > person=92s personal expression in a very direct way. Therefore, I beli= eve a > certain amount of respect is warranted. > > My approach to clothing design and crafting is based on enjoyme= nt, expanded > options, and freedom of choice. There is no place in my work for setti= ng > strict dress codes or establishing hard-and-fast rules. I frequently di= scuss > different options concerning a particular garment as a means of making = my own > personal choices and helping other people to make theirs. My interest = in > replica clothing does not mean that I am willing to have my clothing an= d > design choices judged. > > If the above is offensive to anyone on the list then we may hav= e reached an > impasse because this is the way I work and live. I will probably reall= y catch > it for this, but I think you deserve to know exactly where I am coming = from. > > Thank you, > Andrea Moore - --------------5EFED747CC4850A755CFDB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net id VAA13426 Dear Andrea,

Am I one of those who gave you insult? My most sincere apologies. That= , most assuredly was not my intent. As has been pointed out to you though, you asked for advise and others opinions. My efforts to be of assistance came from the assumption that you might no be familiar with the fact of life that this is a history list and we prepare for and attend reenactmen= t functions where yours and our choice of clothing, personal as that may be, is judged by our peers and there are things we may not wear= or do at these functions lest we not be welcome.

That having been said, your personal choice for dress away from these reenactments of history is certainly yours to make. You may exercise your gift for creativity to your hearts desire. At historical functions your freedom to be creative is limited to what is historically correct for the time period set and deviating from that is to show great disrespect for those folks who are in attendance and working very hard to be historicall= y correct. That is why we have discussions of what we think was how things were done. So that we may learn form one another and grow in our understa= nding of how it was truly done in a bygone era, not how we think they should have done it. One of the most onerous things to hear a "player" say with regard to this sport of historical reenacting is "Well they would have used it if they would have had it". Misses the whole point of doing this.

I hope we now have a better understanding of each other. I might apolo= gize for what undoubtedly sounds like a  lecture but you seemed to invite further explanation and as one of the first to try to help you answer you= r original questions, I thought it my place. In the best spirit of friendsh= ip, I will remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

Amoore2120@aol.com wrote:

        I woul= d like to clarify a couple of items before we go any farther regarding
replica and other types of clothing.  The subject of any person=92= s clothing, I
believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about indiv= iduals
from past times or those in the present.  Clothing is a represen= tation of a
person=92s personal expression in a very direct way.  Therefore, I believe a
certain amount of respect is warranted.

        My approach to clothing des= ign and crafting is based on enjoyment, expanded
options, and freedom of choice.  There is no place in my work for setting
strict dress codes or establishing hard-and-fast rules. I frequently discuss
different options concerning a particular garment as a means of makin= g my own
personal choices and helping other people to make theirs.  My interest in
replica clothing does not mean that I am willing to have my clothing and
design choices judged.

        If the above is offensive to anyone on the list then we may have reached an
impasse because this is the way I work and live.  I will probabl= y really catch
it for this, but I think you deserve to know exactly where I am comin= g from.

Thank you,
Andrea Moore

  - --------------5EFED747CC4850A755CFDB10-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:50:36 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A few items . . . - --------------B977276CC7E60D9DF0C9B48C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net id VAA10706 Dear Andrea, Am I one of those who gave you insult? My most sincere apologies. That, m= ost assuredly was not my intent. As has been pointed out to you though, you asked for a= dvise and others opinions. My efforts to be of assistance came from the assumption = that you might no be familiar with the fact of life that this is a history list and we p= repare for and attend reenactment functions where yours and our choice of clothing, pers= onal as that may be, is judged by our peers and there are things we may not wear or do= at these functions lest we not be welcome. That having been said, your personal choice for dress away from these ree= nactments of history is certainly yours to make. You may exercise your gift for creati= vity to your hearts desire. At historical functions your freedom to be creative is lim= ited to what is historically correct for the time period set and deviating from that is t= o show great disrespect for those folks who are in attendance and working very hard to= be historically correct. That is why we have discussions of what we think wa= s how things were done. So that we may learn form one another and grow in our understa= nding of how it was truly done in a bygone era, not how we think they should have done it= . One of the most onerous things to hear a "player" say with regard to this sport of h= istorical reenacting is "Well they would have used it if they would have had it". M= isses the whole point of doing this. I hope we now have a better understanding of each other. I might apologiz= e for what undoubtedly sounds like a lecture but you seemed to invite further expla= nation and as one of the first to try to help you answer your original questions, I tho= ught it my place. In the best spirit of friendship, I will remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Amoore2120@aol.com wrote: > I would like to clarify a couple of items before we go any fart= her regarding > replica and other types of clothing. The subject of any person=92s clo= thing, I > believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about individ= uals > from past times or those in the present. Clothing is a representation = of a > person=92s personal expression in a very direct way. Therefore, I beli= eve a > certain amount of respect is warranted. > > - --------------B977276CC7E60D9DF0C9B48C Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net id VAA10706 Dear Andrea,

Am I one of those who gave you insult? My most sincere apologies. That= , most assuredly was not my intent. As has been pointed out to you though, you asked for advise and others opinions. My efforts to be of assistance came from the assumption that you might no be familiar with the fact of life that this is a history list and we prepare for and attend reenactmen= t functions where yours and our choice of clothing, personal as that may be, is judged by our peers and there are things we may not wear= or do at these functions lest we not be welcome.

That having been said, your personal choice for dress away from these reenactments of history is certainly yours to make. You may exercise your gift for creativity to your hearts desire. At historical functions your freedom to be creative is limited to what is historically correct for the time period set and deviating from that is to show great disrespect for those folks who are in attendance and working very hard to be historicall= y correct. That is why we have discussions of what we think was how things were done. So that we may learn form one another and grow in our understa= nding of how it was truly done in a bygone era, not how we think they should have done it. One of the most onerous things to hear a "player" say with regard to this sport of historical reenacting is "Well they would have used it if they would have had it". Misses the whole point of doing this.

I hope we now have a better understanding of each other. I might apolo= gize for what undoubtedly sounds like a  lecture but you seemed to invite further explanation and as one of the first to try to help you answer you= r original questions, I thought it my place. In the best spirit of friendsh= ip, I will remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

Amoore2120@aol.com wrote:

        I woul= d like to clarify a couple of items before we go any farther regarding
replica and other types of clothing.  The subject of any person=92= s clothing, I
believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about indiv= iduals
from past times or those in the present.  Clothing is a represen= tation of a
person=92s personal expression in a very direct way.  Therefore, I believe a
certain amount of respect is warranted.

 

- --------------B977276CC7E60D9DF0C9B48C-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:56:08 -0800 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: A few items . . . I would like to add my vote of appreciation for Andrea's many thorough explanations of sewing and tailoring technique. These methods are useful to everyone learning to survive with whatever's available, and I believe that is a common thread in these discussions. Many persons on this list take pride in hewing to an old-fashioned sense of logic, factual integrity, and straightforward use of language. To such persons, "judging" is an everyday act of discriminating the bad and worthless from the good and valued. I'm afraid that "judging", "discrimination" and for that matter, logic, are rejected by many people today, including our educational establishment, because such distinctions might make somebody feel bad. It's perfectly clear to me that somebody like Andrea, who has taken the time to develop and send us clear, useful, and thoughtful instructions on a topic we all need, should have no fear of being "judged" and should look forward with pride to the thanks she should receive. Naturally, our personal taste in clothing is our own business; there are all kinds of events where appropriate clothing is expected, and we all have methods of finding our what those standards are, and whether we want to attend or not under the circumstances. So from me, three cheers, thanks, and be assured I have archived your directions for that day when I next tackle a garment project. Pat Quilter, AMM #1658 - -----Original Message----- From: Amoore2120@aol.com [mailto:Amoore2120@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 2:59 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: A few items . . . I would like to clarify a couple of items before we go any farther regarding replica and other types of clothing. The subject of any person's clothing, I believe, is a very personal matter whether we are talking about individuals from past times or those in the present. Clothing is a representation of a person's personal expression in a very direct way. Therefore, I believe a certain amount of respect is warranted. My approach to clothing design and crafting is based on enjoyment, expanded options, and freedom of choice. There is no place in my work for setting strict dress codes or establishing hard-and-fast rules. I frequently discuss different options concerning a particular garment as a means of making my own personal choices and helping other people to make theirs. My interest in replica clothing does not mean that I am willing to have my clothing and design choices judged. If the above is offensive to anyone on the list then we may have reached an impasse because this is the way I work and live. I will probably really catch it for this, but I think you deserve to know exactly where I am coming from. Thank you, Andrea Moore ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #191 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.