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hist_text-digest      Thursday, December 31 1998      Volume 01 : Number 207




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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:09:53 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Hardtack, YOu write:

RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote:

> Buck, I have some interest in this subject.  The Pacific coast had its
> Stripper canoes.  I wonder how early, and further west the canvas canoe
> was???

I'm confused as to what you mean by "Stripper" canoes? I don't recall ever
reading anything about this type of construction being used before advent of
modern adhesives. As to the canvas canoe, I believe it too is a late 19th
Century craft developed in the general area of the Adarondacks and not
something involved in the pre 1840 fur trade.

> Anyone have some interesting info.?  I have seen the west coast
> dugouts In the Ft. Clatsop area.  These were beautiful boats.  Carved
> thin, and formed, these boats were elegant.  I have done canoe treks.  I
> have always used a modern canoe.  I would be interested in hearing from
> other canoeists on how to 'primitive' canoe, with some predictability ( I
> have to get back to work next week...?).   Hardtack

I hope my other post on the bateau I built is what you are looking for. I
remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:39:05 -0500
From: "C Davis" <cdavis@magicnet.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

I'm interested in your boat design.  Where can I get some particulars?


Capt. Lahti' said:
> -----Original Message-----
> Over the course of most of Jan. through early April I laid up 
> this 19'r and
> ended up with a period correct style boat that launches easily, 
> can be paddled,
> rowed or sailed as the originals were. It was not a difficult 
> project and the
> basic shape of this type of boat can be made in almost any size 
> you have the
> gumption and materials to make.
<snip>

> There is a plan running around in wooden boat building circles 
> called the 6 hr
> canoe which is really a small bateau. It is about 16" long and 
> will get one man
> and his gear into most any water born trek he wants to go into. 
> It only takes
> two sheets of plywood to build and can be made in a living room. 
> My boat wasn't
> much more difficult but it took a room 24' long to loft it up.
> 

Would be interested in this boat too perhaps.

<snip>
> If some one is serious about wanting to build a big bateau using 
> the old and new
> techniques, I will be more than happy to help them along the way. I
> remain.......
Don't know how serious yet but I'm intrigued.

> 
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
> 
- -Craig

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:40:08 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

C Davis wrote:

> I'm interested in your boat design.  Where can I get some particulars?
>

Craig,

Like I said, the boats' particulars were taken from a drawing in the Dory
Book by Gardener. You can probably find it in a good library but if not I'
sure Amazon or some other book seller can get it for you. I didn't have
any problem finding it.  It is called the 19' heavy batteau and can be
found on page 140 in the Dory Book.  The plans for the 6 hr canoe are
available and mentioned in various places but the best starting place is
Wooden Boat Mag. which you can pick up at a good Mag. Rack. In it will be
info on how to order a catalogue of their plans and such.

> Would be interested in this boat too perhaps.

Which one are you talking about?

> Don't know how serious yet but I'm intrigued.

How intrigued are you? Enough to look for the book and mag. I mentioned so
we can both look at the same picture and know what we are talking about?
What else can I help you with? I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:09:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Barry Conner wrote:
> Now that you mention it, I remember that article. I saved it a year or so
> ago, had a hard drive crash and lost it

Buck

Found it.

That article was "Bateau in the Northwest" by Thomas Swan.
volume XIII of the Northwest Journal.

Most of the boats he speaks of are large, in the 30' range, however, he
also mentions several smaller utilitarian type vessels, one of which was
only 12' long.  Refers to them as Clinker built, or lapstrake
construction.

As Cap'n Lahti mentioned, these are still gonna be plenty heavy unless you
lighten the load with modern plywood.
 
Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:39:31 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Lee,
Think your right, as I remember his name was "Swanney".
Thanks
Buck
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From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel


>On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Barry Conner wrote:
>> Now that you mention it, I remember that article. I saved it a year or so
>> ago, had a hard drive crash and lost it
>
>Buck
>
>Found it.
>
>That article was "Bateau in the Northwest" by Thomas Swan.
>volume XIII of the Northwest Journal.
>
>Most of the boats he speaks of are large, in the 30' range, however, he
>also mentions several smaller utilitarian type vessels, one of which was
>only 12' long.  Refers to them as Clinker built, or lapstrake
>construction.
>
>As Cap'n Lahti mentioned, these are still gonna be plenty heavy unless you
>lighten the load with modern plywood.
>
>Regards
>
>Lee Newbill
>Viola, Idaho
>email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
>Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
>http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:26:52 +0000
From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Capt. Lahti,  You are right about 'stripper', I should have said 
'plank'.  Our local Indians, the Chumash, made plank canoes sealed with
tar.  The tar just seeps out of the ground in certain areas here.  Thanks
for the info on the bateau.  That sounds real interesting.  Do you know
how much your 19 footer weighed?  I'm spoiled by a 17' Kevlar canoe. I
can keep a boat, but not a horse, so most of my long distance treks are
by boat.  I would love to get out of a plastic boat.  I'll be checking
out that wooden boat mag..  thanks    Hardtack 

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:57:56 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Hardtack,

Thanks for the clarification, thought it must be something like that. The
19'r probably weighs close to 250+ just guessing. It has a load capacity up
around 900 to 1000 lb. If I built another one I would consider making it a
bit wider on the bottom and amid ships at the gunwales. I thought I would be
able to haul it around on top of the truck but ended up using one of those
small utility trailers with a longer tongue. before we put the cedar floor
boards two guys could pick it up standing at the ends. I really encourage
folks to consider making a wood boat for this game. It sure puts a whole new
slant on how you feel about a water trip. I remain......


YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote:

> Capt. Lahti,  You are right about 'stripper', I should have said
> 'plank'.  Our local Indians, the Chumash, made plank canoes sealed with
> tar.  The tar just seeps out of the ground in certain areas here.  Thanks
> for the info on the bateau.  That sounds real interesting.  Do you know
> how much your 19 footer weighed?  I'm spoiled by a 17' Kevlar canoe. I
> can keep a boat, but not a horse, so most of my long distance treks are
> by boat.  I would love to get out of a plastic boat.  I'll be checking
> out that wooden boat mag..  thanks    Hardtack
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:18:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Good Morning Cap'n Lahti

You probably mentioned it, but I can't remember... so, what did you do
about sealing and painting?

Regards

Lee

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:04:36 +0000
From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Capt. Lahti,   In the beteau, I like the idea of paddle, row, or sail.  I
have a 17' poly canoe (Mohawk) which will haul over half ton.  I can load
it on top of car by myself, easily.  I still like the idea of an Historic
vessel.  Anyone else in- terested?   Between us, we could build a
fleet..... <s>      Hardtack

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:17:33 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Correct water vessel

Lee Newbill wrote:

> Good Morning Cap'n Lahti
>
> You probably mentioned it, but I can't remember... so, what did you do
> about sealing and painting?
>
> Regards
>
> Lee

Lee,

Since this boat uses plywood rather than plank construction it's seams
will not swell tight naturally. I closed all seams with construction epoxy
and tapped all seams on the outside with 4" fiber glass tape in resin. I
didn't glass the hull so-as-to keep the weight down. All wood surfaces
inside and out were drenched in wood preservative which I think contains
copper. I painted the boat inside and out with a paint the paint store
recommended for concrete floors since it is formulated for heavy traffic
and moisture resistance. The wood fittings that I wanted to leave natural
got a few coats of clear marine varnish. I would estimate that I have
about $300 max. in materials but Tom Crooks and I were able to get the
marine plywood for about $15 a sheet because it had some minor edge
damage. A good grade of exterior plywood will work just fine if sealed
well and the frames can be made of almost any 1" by 2"-3" material you can
find. I used pine but Oak would be a bit stronger though heavier and I can
see lumber salvaged from Pallets as working just fine. This is borderline
for historic content so I hope no one is offended by the use of the space.
I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:55:20 EST
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes

In a message dated 12/28/98 NaugaMok writes:

<< BOB #2 is correct.  "too cheap to buy it"???  By the time you buy all the
 patterns in BOB #2, you'd be out considerably more than the $12.95 for the
 book!  While a few of the articles in the BOB series should be taken with a
 grain of salt, the whole series has good references & worth the expense. >>

  Couldn't agree more. Might cost a bit more, and not that much, to buy the
needed volume of B.O.B. and then for the other volumes you have something to
ask for for birthdays, Fathers Day, Christmas etc. that really isn't all thet
expensive.

                                             Longshot

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:01:30 EST
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes

In a message dated 12/29/98 sidney writes:

<< Second, unless you feel like you really need themt, don't put those long
 ties on the hood.  They get caught on everything and end up at the bottom of
 the hooter!  >>

   Amen to that, as a matter of fact that tail was only the first to go, the
hood went next!   

                                         Longshot

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:24:56 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes

A layered or caped shoulder provides great warmth and can be pulled around
your head/face when necessary.   i think the design is called 'frontiersman'
(at least in Panther's catalog) and also has a four-button front.  nothing
hanging down or getting caught in the brush.  YHS, 
Barney P Fife

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:51:47 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Happy New Year

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Look whats going on with Lewis and Clark as the new year comes in.

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January 1st, 1806. Our repast of this day, tho' better than that of =
Cristmass, consisted principally in the anticipation of the 1st day of =
January 1807, when in the bosom of our friends we hope to participate in =
the mirth and hilarity of the day, and when with the zest given by the =
recollection of the present, we shall completely, both mentally and =
corporally, enjoy the repast which the hand of civilization has prepared =
for us.
MERIWETHER LEWIS

Men were put to work making candles, boiling ocean water for salt, =
preserving elk meat in a smokehouse, and sewing clothes from elk hides =
for the return trip home.
Clark labored over a new map that would replace eastern speculation with =
the hard facts of western geography.
Lewis wrote page after page of descriptions of animals and plants =
unknown to science-from the giant sitka spruce tree to the evergreen =
huckleberry; from ring-necked ducks and whistling swans to small =
smelt-the candlefish-that the men roasted and ate whole.

************
For a new year it seems things are well with our early travelers, fed =
and full of thoughts of returning home.
May you and your have a good New Year.
Later
YF&B

Buck Conner

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:06:06 -0700
From: dammiller@juno.com (David A Miller)
Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:40:13 -0600
From: "Phil Petersen" <bamafan@Traveller.COM>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes out of deer hide?

I have enough deer hides (hair on) to measure the 94'x48' inch suggested
size once sewn together for a capote.  If I made a pattern design out of
this material would it be considered a capote or what?  I would appreciate
your feed back.

Grasshoppa
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From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes


>Kirk, I have a couple of pieces of advice when making a capote.  First,
make
>sure you have good ventalation while cutting and sewing.  The wool makes a
>lot of lint.  It really makes me sneeze.  The higher quality the wool, the
>less it does this, but all will be pretty "dusty".
>
>Second, unless you feel like you really need themt, don't put those long
>ties on the hood.  They get caught on everything and end up at the bottom
of
>the hooter!   After having a capote that wraps around and a long tailed
wool
>shirt, I much prefer the shirt.  If I were to make another capote for
>myself, I would put buttons on it.
>
>Sidney
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:30:23 +0000
From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes out of deer hide?

I would call it a WARM Capote.  I won't suppose on the authenticity of
such a comfort, but it sounds cozy.  Hardtack

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:08:30 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes out of deer hide?

Grasshoppa,

It is my impression that capote is a french word for a general style of winter
coat probably made of wool blanket material. If you want to make a coat of hair
on deer hides in a style consistent with a particular historical era, I only
see one problem. Hair on deer hides are not a great material for making any
garment other than a wall hanging. The problem is that deer hair is hollow and
will break off quit easily with wear or contact with movement. Most friends
(and myself) who have tried using hair on deer hides for sleeping pads, rugs or
seat pads have found that they do not hold up to being touched. My thought is
that after going to all the trouble of making such a garment, one will be
shortly the owner of a coat with spots of hair worn off. Other types of fur do
not exhibit this problem and you will find the same thing will happen with elk
and moose hair on hides. I guess if you used them as a throw over you while
sleeping, they may give some service.

My other thought on your question is that IMHO, this would not be a very
authentic garment for anything later than "Clan of the Cave Bear". But who's to
say. I have never come across a reference to the frontiersman or indian making
a "Coat" of hair on deer hides. Hope this was of help. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

Phil Petersen wrote:

> I have enough deer hides (hair on) to measure the 94'x48' inch suggested
> size once sewn together for a capote.  If I made a pattern design out of
> this material would it be considered a capote or what?  I would appreciate
> your feed back.
>
> Grasshoppa
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes
>
> >Kirk, I have a couple of pieces of advice when making a capote.  First,
> make
> >sure you have good ventalation while cutting and sewing.  The wool makes a
> >lot of lint.  It really makes me sneeze.  The higher quality the wool, the
> >less it does this, but all will be pretty "dusty".
> >
> >Second, unless you feel like you really need themt, don't put those long
> >ties on the hood.  They get caught on everything and end up at the bottom
> of
> >the hooter!   After having a capote that wraps around and a long tailed
> wool
> >shirt, I much prefer the shirt.  If I were to make another capote for
> >myself, I would put buttons on it.
> >
> >Sidney
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:21:31 -0700
From: "Lee Cardon" <lcardon@insurquote.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Jersey, Geurnsey?

I have come across some slight reference to hand knit wool sweaters being
in use from 1799 on.

While the word "Sweater" is not used, the words "Jersey" and "Geurnsey" (or
Gansey) are used, and are known to refer to a knitted garment.

Some mention of knitted jersey "Frocks" is made, and almost all reference
to use, points to Seamen of the British Isles. They were probably in use in
Scandanavia as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions on whether a hand knit wool sweater would be of
acceptable authenticity for use in re-enacting the Western Fur Trade era?
how about an earlier era?


Thanks,
- -Lee Cardon

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:31:31 -0800
From: "mmorgan" <mmorgan@kanza.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: newhouse traps

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pan and was wondering if this could be the right number as it doesn't =
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:05:57 -0800
From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rendezvous calander

This message was forwarded to me, I think it's good stuff, and I think a
lot of people on this list will be interested in what he has to offer. 
Also those of you interested in dugouts, after you open the rendezvous
page, go to Crasy Wolf's home page, go to photos, and the first couple
on that page are photo's of Babbles at Frog Holler in a nice looking
dugout.     


>Fellow Buckskinners,
>
>I have written a web page for a national list of Black Powder Rendezvous.
>The way it works is this.  I have a database that contains information
>about rendezvous.  The website allows users to select a month and a state,
>and then  gives them a list of rendezvous for their selection.  From this
>list, clicking on a particular rendezvous will take them to a page of
>further details about  that rendezvous.  You will notice that there are
>only a few states in the "State" select button.  When a event is entered
>with a new state, the state is automatically entered into the select
>button.  This way users will not waste their time looking for entries in a
>state that don't exist.
>
>Anyone can enter their rendezvous into the database over the Web.  The
>rendezvous are written to a temporary database so I can review them, make
>data type corrections and put them into the main database.  This step
>allows
>me to keep bad entries out of the main database such as we might get from
>kids messing around.  It seems like most clubs have a computer person.
>Clubs should designate one person to make entries to the list and maintain
>them, (changing dates from year to year, or changing the persons in
>charge).  Only  myself and the person that submits an entry can edit that
>entry.
>
>At present, the list contains a bunch of rendezvous from 1998.  I entered
>these from a written list that is distributed around Southern Oregon and
>Northern California.  If one of these rendezvous is yours,  enter in your
>listing for next year and I will remove the old listing.  Or e-mail me and
>I will put a username and password in that event so you can access it from
>the edit page.  I am leaving the old listings in for a while so people can
>see how the list works.
>
>Please check out the list and send this e-mail to any buckskinners you
>know.  The list could grow into a useful tool for buckskinners all over the
>States.
>
>Thanks, Crazy Wolf
>
>http://eddie.grrtech.com/rendezvous/calendar
>
> eddie@grrtech.com
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:05:42 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes out of deer hide?

hang that hair-on hide on the wall. the hairs will break with movement or
rubbing as they are hollow. skins of fur-bearers, rather than hair-on hides
could be used to make a coat that would hold up and keep you way warmer. ask
any raccoon or buffalo <grin>        yhs,  BPFife

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:18:25 -0600
From: Bishnow <bishnows@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: newhouse traps

mmorgan wrote:
> 
> Hi! I just bought a group of traps and one was labeled "newhouse
> #114".  It has teeth and is about 2 1/2 ft. long.  I can't read
> anything on the pan and was wondering if this could be the right
> number as it doesn't jibe with the other numbers and sizes I am
> familiar with.  Thanks in advance.  Michael in Kans

I am not familiar with a #114, I haven't used many steel traps.
However, Fur,Fish and Game magazine has people you can write to
on such subjects. It's a pretty good  magazine too.
I don't have an address but I do have a phone number,614-231-9585.

Good Luck
Snakeshot

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:27:05 -0600
From: Bishnow <bishnows@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes out of deer hide?

Phil Petersen wrote:
> 
> I have enough deer hides (hair on) to measure the 94'x48' inch suggested
> size once sewn together for a capote.  If I made a pattern design out of
> this material would it be considered a capote or what?  I would appreciate
> your feed back.
> 
> Grasshoppa
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: capotes
> 
> >Kirk, I have a couple of pieces of advice when making a capote.  First,
> make
> >sure you have good ventalation while cutting and sewing.  The wool makes a
> >lot of lint.  It really makes me sneeze.  The higher quality the wool, the
> >less it does this, but all will be pretty "dusty".
> >
> >Second, unless you feel like you really need themt, don't put those long
> >ties on the hood.  They get caught on everything and end up at the bottom
> of
> >the hooter!   After having a capote that wraps around and a long tailed
> wool
> >shirt, I much prefer the shirt.  If I were to make another capote for
> >myself, I would put buttons on it.
> >
> >Sidney
> >
> >
> >
I would not want to get caught in the woods with the hair side 
out. somebody might want to shoot it for supper. It will make 
a pretty good bow quiver but you will wear bald spots in it.
 For bow quivers it works best if it is bark tanned or lined
with cow hide or something tougher than the deer hide.

Snakeshot

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:03:10 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: newhouse traps

The address is: FUR-FISH-GAME,  2878 East Main St., Columbus, OH  43209

Nice people to deal with and will probably be very helpful, plus a very good
magazine.

Buck
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Bishnow <bishnows@swbell.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: newhouse traps


>mmorgan wrote:
>>
>> Hi! I just bought a group of traps and one was labeled "newhouse
>> #114".  It has teeth and is about 2 1/2 ft. long.  I can't read
>> anything on the pan and was wondering if this could be the right
>> number as it doesn't jibe with the other numbers and sizes I am
>> familiar with.  Thanks in advance.  Michael in Kans
>
>I am not familiar with a #114, I haven't used many steel traps.
>However, Fur,Fish and Game magazine has people you can write to
>on such subjects. It's a pretty good  magazine too.
>I don't have an address but I do have a phone number,614-231-9585.
>
>Good Luck
>Snakeshot
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:18:10 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jersey, Geurnsey?

Lee,

If you check your coastal seamen history you'll find that the New England
states had knitting mills and the Rev. War sailors wore knitted sweaters, I
will look I have a pattern around here that we use to use when doing that
period that was gotten from one of the boat museums in MASS. I had talked to
Charles E. Hanson Jr (Museum of the Fur Trade), and he felt that such an
item and the skills were in St. Louis by the War of 1812, so as far as going
west would think that's a possibility.

Later

Buck
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Cardon <lcardon@insurquote.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:26 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Jersey, Geurnsey?


>I have come across some slight reference to hand knit wool sweaters being
>in use from 1799 on.
>
>While the word "Sweater" is not used, the words "Jersey" and "Geurnsey" (or
>Gansey) are used, and are known to refer to a knitted garment.
>
>Some mention of knitted jersey "Frocks" is made, and almost all reference
>to use, points to Seamen of the British Isles. They were probably in use in
>Scandanavia as well.
>
>Any thoughts or suggestions on whether a hand knit wool sweater would be of
>acceptable authenticity for use in re-enacting the Western Fur Trade era?
>how about an earlier era?
>
>
>Thanks,
>-Lee Cardon
>
>
>
>

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