From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #219 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 219 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:48:36 -0800 From: Pat Quilter Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn Man Speed Patterns In my experience, the best attempt to capture the pure speech pattern of the mountain man was in Lewis Garrards "Yah To Wah", written about an 1846 season with several original mountain men. The events of course take place after the golden age of the fur trade, but before the Gold Rush changed everything. It seems apparent by this time that the colorful survivors of the fur trade gloried in their own slang, and I can't imagine how Garrard managed to get it down so accurately, except he was a bright and observant 17 yr old who spent a year with people he was clearly fascinated by. Although the book is not in front of me now, my recollection of the slang is more along the lines of colorful expressions, wierd pronunciations, and set nicknames for many things. I am easily bothered by the use of perjorative words and hence have never been able to get into the "Wind" series, and I don't recall any such sense from Garrard's quotes -- more like the fractured pretentiousness of the "bowery boys" or the like. I recommend "Yah To Wah" highly, as Garrard takes pleasure in discovering and reporting on commonplace events which were old hat to the veterans. Pat Quilter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:24:46 EST From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns I would imagine that mountain man linguistics were based on where they were from, their level of education, and general personality. Many of the early trappers were french or spanish, so I doubt they were saying "larnin'" any more than Kit Carson would say "Sacre Bleu!" By nature and pathology, human beans like to label everything for identification - alas this also extends to people, who can be compartmentalized on their use (or abuse) of language. Happily,most of us can diffentiate between what a person says and how he says it. Literature does not have the benefit of interpretive facial expressions and body language, so characters are painted more broadly, appealing to our need to label. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:19:04 +0100 From: Allen Chronister Subject: MtMan-List: speech I believe that a lot of what we in the last few decades of this century believe about how "mountain men" talked was influenced by John Baird, who had a regular column in his "Buckskin Report" that was written in some kind of hillbilly patois that was so convouleted that it was virtually impossible to read or understand. Where he got it I really don't know. (He is also responsible for burdening us all with the term "primative" to descirbe what we do. In my book, primative means you kill it with a rock and eat it raw. Anything else is not primative.) In the journals of the time, those who remarked on such things usually say that French and Native tongues (alone or in combination) were the most common thing to hear around the campfire. Allen Chronister ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:52:49 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE3F1D.88A579A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just read a book that some of you might find interesting. It's entitled "Mountain Man and Grizzly". Next to the harsh environment and hostile indians the grizzly bear was=20 the mountain mans most formidable opponent, in my opinion. The confrontations that occured between the two, as told in this book, makes for some interesting reading. Most of the book is taken directly from the journals and writings of = early explorers. It tells about observations made by such notable folks as Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, Fitzpatrick, Lewis, Long, Smith, Sublette, and literally dozens of others. It also Gives not only one,=20 but four accounts of the Hugh Glass incident. It tells how James = O'Pattie while traveling up the Arkansas River in 1826 counted over 200 grizzlys in one day, and how George Nidever claimed to have killed 45 bears near San Luis Obispo in one season! The book:Mountain Man and Grizzly Author: Fred R. Gowans Published: Mountain Grizzly Publications Orem, Utah 1986 From the northwoods Tony Clark - ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE3F1D.88A579A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just read a book that some of you = might find=20 interesting. It's entitled
"Mountain Man and=20 Grizzly".
 
Next to the harsh environment and = hostile=20 indians the grizzly bear was
the mountain mans most formidable = opponent, in=20 my opinion. The
confrontations that occured between = the two, as=20 told in this book,
makes for some interesting = reading.
 
Most of the book is taken directly = from the=20 journals and writings of early
explorers. It tells about = observations made by=20 such notable folks as
Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, = Fitzpatrick, Lewis,=20 Long, Smith,
Sublette, and literally dozens of = others. It=20 also Gives not only one,
but four accounts of the Hugh Glass = incident. It=20 tells how James O'Pattie
while traveling up the Arkansas = River in 1826=20 counted over 200 grizzlys
in one day, and how George Nidever = claimed to=20 have killed 45 bears near
San Luis Obispo in one = season!
 
The book:Mountain Man and = Grizzly
 
Author: Fred R. Gowans
 
Published: Mountain Grizzly = Publications Orem,=20 Utah  1986
 
From the northwoods
 
Tony = Clark
- ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE3F1D.88A579A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:33:39 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws Agreed Longshot, I have seen this in several journals as you mention and what Webster's (earliest editon of 1828 /available to me) his definition is not correct per what is found in the Pennsylavnia Gazzett Aug 18, 1768 and again in Sept 24, 1771 referring to "poor whites and mixes of people work like working like a nigger" on the docks at Phila.(not one group of people), as the Mountain man made reference to himself in some cases. Buck _________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:34 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws >It appears to me that we are just getting into one of those dicussions on >Political Corectness. Which is what this really boils down to. What the term >means today and what it meant in our time frames of preference. Sorta like the >use of the word "Nigger" which was supposed to have been highly used by the >Mountain Men in reference to themselves. Yet in todays climate we must be >carefull about the use of the word. Heck, I'll probably catch flack just for >writing that on the list. > > > Longshot > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:39:23 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: RE: Mtn man speech patterns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE3F24.0A5D1EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have to agree that " Wah to Yah and the Taos Trail" gives the=20 truest presentation of mountain man speech of any book that I have=20 ever read. The character " Hatcher" was a true mountain man if there=20 ever was one--WAUGH! At one point in the book while Garrard, Hatcher, = and another fella named Garmon are sitting around the campfire having an=20 infrequent but welcome drink Garmon remarks about Hatcher, " Why, the old beaver says as how he was in hell once- eh, Hatch? Hatcher replies, "Sartain! this old hos was n't any whar else- Wagh! an' I = tellee, it's me kin=20 tell the yarn." And to hear him tell the story , all in his amusing=20 mtn. man speech, is worth the price of the book alone. One of the most=20 memorable passages of any book I have ever read. From the northwoods Tony Clark - ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE3F24.0A5D1EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would have to agree that " = Wah to Yah and=20 the Taos Trail" gives the
truest presentation of mountain man = speech of=20 any book that I have
ever read. The character " = Hatcher"=20 was a true mountain man if there
ever was one--WAUGH!  At one = point in the=20 book while Garrard, Hatcher, and
another fella named Garmon are = sitting around=20 the campfire having an
infrequent but welcome drink Garmon = remarks=20 about Hatcher, " Why,
the old beaver says as how he was in = hell once-=20 eh, Hatch? Hatcher
replies, "Sartain! this old hos = was n't any=20 whar else- Wagh! an' I tellee, it's me kin
tell the yarn."  And to = hear him tell=20 the story , all in his amusing
mtn. man speech, is worth the price = of the book=20 alone. One of the most
memorable passages of any book I = have ever=20 read.
 
From the northwoods
 
Tony = Clark
- ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BE3F24.0A5D1EC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:39:33 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:06:43 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly This book is out of print, I believe, but can be found in used book stores both in paper and hardback. I recently bought the hardback copy to replace my paper copy I gave to a friend for $8. Maybe Fred has some copies a U of Utah he'd sell. Pat Surrena #1449 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 99 18:11:22 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: MtMan-List: Texians Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. Excersizing there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When you take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like you wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I thought he was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch. Don Keas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:59:45 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns I have in my library a copy of a document called "The Mountain Man Vernacular, Its historical roots, Its linguistic nature, and Its literary Uses" by Richard C. Poulsen; American University Studies, Series IV, English Language and Literature, vol. 22, publiched by Peter Lang Publishing, New York, 1985. It's the only work I've seen on the subject. Here's a bit from the introduction: "The language of the trappers was a strange medley of English, French, and Spanish and as distinct from from grammatical and literary propriety as it is possible to conveive. As in all situations where men are long associated in the same business and in a measure exluded from contact with the world around them, a peculiar jargon grew up amont the trapping fraternity, vigorous, and picturesque,if not choice, in its details, but now entirely extinct. Only in a few old narrattives of the time does it still survive with any degree of fidelity. " The best of these old narratives, Chittenden added in a note, is Ruxton's "lLife in the Far West. Later experts have concurred. For example, Bernard DeVoto said that Ruxton and his mountain man Kllbuck "are fatithfully repeating true talk already old. A.B. Guthrie noted the Ruxton and Lewis H. Garrard preserved for today the afftected, effective, peculiar speech of the fur hunter.". . . ". . .Most, if not all versions of lmaoutain language, base their ground of authenticity on Ruxton's Live in the Far West (or Garrard, with distinct possiblity that Garrard got his mountain talk, at least in part, from Ruxton's book. . . The total work is about 325 pages. If someone has specific questions I'd be glad to look and see what the author has to say. I think it's a fairly difficult book to find but I believe I got it through interlibrary loan. Here's what the Chapters look like: Ch 1. Historical Evidence of Trapper Speech Before 1849 Ch 2. Linquistics and Stylisitcs of Mountain Speech Ch3. Literary Uses of the Mountain Man Vernacular before 1849 Ch4. G. F. Ruxton and the Speech of the Mountains Ch 5 Literary uses of the speech of the mountains: The Early Period After ruxton Ch.6. Literary uses of the speech of the mountains: The modern period Appendix A Mountain Terms Appendix B The Oral Narrative Style Endnotes Biblio Pat Surrena AMM #1449 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: ikon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians My first night in Cali. I was sitting at a bar in El Toro when this Texan came up to me and asked me where I was from. When I said NJ he mentioned to the whole bar how he had not killed a guy from NJ in a long time. While he was shootin his mouth off I broke his nose. SOB got blood all over me, they sure do bleed alot. So much for Texans. Frank At 06:11 PM 1/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. Excersizing >there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When you >take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like you >wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I thought he >was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch. >Don Keas > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:48:12 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: RE: speech patterns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE3F2D.A75B2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Mountain Man Vernacular: It's Historical roots, It's linguistic = Nature, and it's Literary Uses (Amer. Univ. Studies 4 English and Literature , Vol. 22) By: Richard C Paulsen 1985 available at Amazon.com =20 Price: $36 limited availability Ruxtons' "life in the Far West" certainly is required reading. I also = recomend "Travels in the Rocky Mountains and Mexico" also by Ruxton. I believe = the copy I have was published in 1848. I don't know if it was reprinted. From the northwoods' =20 Tony Clark - ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE3F2D.A75B2880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Mountain Man Vernacular: It's = Historical=20 roots, It's linguistic Nature, and it's
Literary Uses   (Amer. Univ. Studies 4 = English and=20 Literature , Vol. 22)
By: Richard C Paulsen    = 1985
 
available at Amazon.com    =
 
Price: $36  limited availability
 
Ruxtons' "life in the Far West" certainly = is=20 required reading. I also recomend
"Travels in the Rocky Mountains and=20 Mexico"   also by Ruxton. I believe the
copy I have was published in 1848. I don't know if = it was=20 reprinted.
 
From the northwoods' 
 
Tony Clark
- ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE3F2D.A75B2880-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:53:03 -0600 From: "Beau Stiles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3F2E.5492B9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are correct in your assessment of the book Mountain Man and Grizzly. = It is a fantastic account of the men and the bears, and gives a great = deal of insight as to how we have ruined the Great Plains. Beau Stiles -----Original Message----- From: northwoods To: Mountain man list Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 5:53 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly =20 =20 Just read a book that some of you might find interesting. It's = entitled "Mountain Man and Grizzly". =20 Next to the harsh environment and hostile indians the grizzly bear = was=20 the mountain mans most formidable opponent, in my opinion. The confrontations that occured between the two, as told in this book, makes for some interesting reading. =20 Most of the book is taken directly from the journals and writings of = early explorers. It tells about observations made by such notable folks as Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, Fitzpatrick, Lewis, Long, Smith, Sublette, and literally dozens of others. It also Gives not only = one,=20 but four accounts of the Hugh Glass incident. It tells how James = O'Pattie while traveling up the Arkansas River in 1826 counted over 200 = grizzlys in one day, and how George Nidever claimed to have killed 45 bears = near San Luis Obispo in one season! =20 The book:Mountain Man and Grizzly =20 Author: Fred R. Gowans =20 Published: Mountain Grizzly Publications Orem, Utah 1986 =20 From the northwoods =20 Tony Clark - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3F2E.5492B9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are correct in your assessment of the = book Mountain=20 Man and Grizzly. It is a fantastic account of the men and the bears, and = gives a=20 great deal of insight as to how we have ruined the Great = Plains.
Beau Stiles
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 northwoods <northwoods@ez-net.com>
To:=20 Mountain man list <hist_text@xmission.com>
= Date:=20 Wednesday, January 13, 1999 5:53 PM
Subject: = MtMan-List:=20 Mountain Man and Grizzly

Just read a book that some of = you might find=20 interesting. It's entitled
"Mountain Man and=20 Grizzly".
 
Next to the harsh environment = and hostile=20 indians the grizzly bear was
the mountain mans most = formidable opponent,=20 in my opinion. The
confrontations that occured = between the two,=20 as told in this book,
makes for some interesting=20 reading.
 
Most of the book is taken = directly from the=20 journals and writings of early
explorers. It tells about = observations made=20 by such notable folks as
Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, = Fitzpatrick,=20 Lewis, Long, Smith,
Sublette, and literally dozens = of others. It=20 also Gives not only one,
but four accounts of the Hugh = Glass=20 incident. It tells how James O'Pattie
while traveling up the Arkansas = River in=20 1826 counted over 200 grizzlys
in one day, and how George = Nidever claimed=20 to have killed 45 bears near
San Luis Obispo in one = season!
 
The book:Mountain Man and=20 Grizzly
 
Author: Fred R. = Gowans
 
Published: Mountain Grizzly = Publications=20 Orem, Utah  1986
 
From the northwoods
 
Tony=20 Clark
- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3F2E.5492B9A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:03:43 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians You done good....busting the chops of an obnoxious loudmouth who was = making threats. We bust 'em, too, for the same reason. However, having = a Texian on your side is rarely a bad thing. Lanney Ratcliff slightly obnoxious, certainly loudmouth, non-threatening Texian - -----Original Message----- From: ikon@mindspring.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians >My first night in Cali. I was sitting at a bar in El Toro when this = Texan >came up to me and asked me where I was from. When I said NJ he = mentioned to >the whole bar how he had not killed a guy from NJ in a long time. = While he >was shootin his mouth off I broke his nose. SOB got blood all over me, = they >sure do bleed alot. So much for Texans. > >Frank > > >At 06:11 PM 1/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. = Excersizing >>there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When = you >>take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like = you >>wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I = thought he >>was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch. >>Don Keas >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:39:13 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly How have WE ruined the Plains? Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:43:28 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: speech Alan, Primitive? When neccesary, I just turn over the rock and eat what is underneath! Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:55:18 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Cheap Shots and Low Blows Thanks Todd, you said that far better than if I had said what I was thinking! (which is why I didn't say it!) Medicine Bear TetonTod@aol.com wrote: > Here's a tongue in cheek suggestion, maybe you guys can use the above subject > for tradin shots with each other. Then the rest of us will know better which > ones to delete. > > Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:03:16 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: RE: speech patterns Those of you looking for Garrard's book: "Yah to Wah..." It is published by Dover Books and is available on-line from Amazon Books. It's on sale, paperback, for $10.95. Dover Books - Discount Art, Science, Classics and Childrens Books from Dover Publications, Inc. Ghosting Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:21:32 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man Speed Patterns Pat, Is the book titled "Wah-To-Yah and the Taos Trail " the same book or a sequel? Medicine Bear Pat Quilter wrote: > In my experience, the best attempt to capture the pure speech pattern of the > mountain man was in Lewis Garrards "Yah To Wah", written about an 1846 > season with several original mountain men. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:31:33 EST From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians I'm a runt..at 150 lbs :) But I sure can run fast when needed like when a griz is after me....now I think anyone who's being chased by a griz would run fast anyhow :) Ted ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:46:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Ted A Hart wrote: > I'm a runt..at 150 lbs :) But I sure can run fast when needed like when > a griz is after me....now I think anyone who's being chased by a griz > would run fast anyhow :) Ted, Ted, Ted Everyone in Grizz country knows you don't have to be faster than the Grizz.... you just have to be faster than your partner That's why I hunt with the elderly! Tounge in cheek Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:02:17 -0600 From: "Beau Stiles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE3F48.C4881380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, let's see....destroyed the people, the culture, the wildlife, and = much of the history (especially regarding native american religious = rights and such). It is a depressing scenario when one looks back at how = the plains were versus how they are today. While certainly, there are = aspects of the plains today that are no doubt wonderful,they will never = be as they once were. Beau Stiles (just my personal feeling, not intended to offend anyone) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brandl To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly =20 =20 How have WE ruined the Plains? Joe =20 Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather = and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, = baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka =20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE3F48.C4881380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmm, let's see....destroyed the people, the = culture,=20 the wildlife, and much of the history (especially regarding native = american=20 religious rights and such). It is a depressing scenario when one looks = back at=20 how the plains were versus how they are today. While certainly, there = are=20 aspects of the plains today that are no doubt wonderful,they will never = be as=20 they once were.
 
Beau Stiles (just my personal feeling, not intended to offend = anyone)
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
To:= =20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 Mountain Man and Grizzly

How have WE ruined the=20 Plains?
Joe

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call = us about=20 our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom = tanning=20 prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection = of=20 leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, = Indian=20 reproductions, paintings, baskets
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