From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #230 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, February 2 1999 Volume 01 : Number 230 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:39:07 -0500 From: "Lewis K Raper" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR Oh, yes charred cotton cheese cloth works real good. You just about can't put that stuff out! that is what I have been using for about a year. - -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Hepner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR > I think maybe a lot of people must not even know if their jute is >treated or not. Guess I just found out why this discussion group is so >important! > As for char, try using 100% cotton cheese cloth. > >Dull Hawk > >---------- >> From: yellow rose/pendleton >> To: hist_text@xmission.com >> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE >> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM >> >> Roger, >> Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and >did >> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it >would >> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use >> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of >> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into them here. [ no need in >> encouraging such practices] Even jute won't literally explode into >flames >> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always >> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can >> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants. >I >> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our >> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand. >> A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a >> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material. >They >> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find >it >> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns >into >> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it. >> Pendleton >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:42:20 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Real Bird's Nests Dear Angela (and the list), My posting was no joke; I get my 'nests' from a buddy who is an arborist for a local city, and collects bags full of them from trees that are being cut down or trimmed. Hardly likely they are going to be used after that, and they work like a champ to start fires. I do appreciate your advise about them being protected; being a resident of California, I should have known. Here, rocks and double-murderers are protected by law and guns are soon to become an endangered species. yhs, 'Barney Fife' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:37:46 -0600 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lahti Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax >Of course, lacing the tinder >with an accelerate is cheating, plain and simple. Right, rules must be specified. But specifying that the tinder must be period correct does not prevent the use of "accelerators". In Noah Smithwick's "The Evolution of a State or Recollections of Old Texas Days," he described how they used to rub gunpowder into cloth for a fire starter. BTW, Smithwick is a good read, and it is available on-line. http://www.erols.com/hardeman/lonestar/olbooks/smithwic/otd.htm Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:18 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tan If your hides are smelling bad, they are deteriorating. According to Dave Christenson, this is not normal. You are allowing bateria to produce. If you change your soak water every day, this should not happen. Once hide begin to smell, you take the chance of blood poisoning occuring to yourself. Soaking hides to loosen hair is done to disolve the glues in the hide and cause hide swelling due to a raise in Ph. Yes the hides will brain tan soft even if they smell bad, but why work with stinking hides? Braining can remove some of the smell and smoking covers alot of it. Some folks add a bit of soap to brains or wash brained hides in ivory soap to clean hide Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:50:18 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40 Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that) I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At the very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you like early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams in 1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. there's no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round trip out of your way. Get in touch. Vic Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party "Aux aliments du pays!" Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:52:05 -0600 From: Don Neighbors Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man School Seems like their use to be a school out west. This would be a good ideal maybe to start one. If not would like to spent some time in the mtns. Are there any trails or trips anyone could tell me about. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:56:57 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40 Aw, Vic, offer to treat the man to a few pulls from your hot sauce = bottle. I know you desert rats do that because I have seen it with my = own two eyes!! Remember? Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Vic Barkin To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:40 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40 >Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that) > >I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At = the >very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you = like >early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams = in >1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. = there's >no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big >hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round = trip >out of your way. Get in touch. > >Vic > >Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin > >AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party >"Aux aliments du pays!" > >Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona >Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:31:01 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40 Yeah Lanny I remember... Had ta run outa rum, whisky and aguiardiente first though! Well Barn, ol hoss, whats yer pleasure? Vic >Aw, Vic, offer to treat the man to a few pulls from your hot sauce bottle. >I know you desert rats do that because I have seen it with my own two >eyes!! Remember? >Lanney >-----Original Message----- >From: Vic Barkin >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:40 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40 > > >>Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that) >> >>I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At the >>very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you like >>early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams in >>1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. there's >>no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big >>hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round trip >>out of your way. Get in touch. >> >>Vic >> >>Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin >> >>AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party >>"Aux aliments du pays!" >> >>Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona >>Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998 >> >> >> >> Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party "Aux aliments du pays!" Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:51:14 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while My wife asked me yesterday,"Did the mountain men carry compasses?". I chuckled a little at the question and then told her what I knew about the development and early use of the compass,then told her some of the ways one is able to navigate without a compass,but finally had to admit that I could'nt think of a single reference to compasses in anything i have read about mountain men or early western exploration. Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers? ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark, but can't be certain.) From the northwoods, Tony Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:10:21 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while northwoods wrote: > Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools > for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers? > > ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark, > but can't be certain.) Tony, YOur right when you remembered that L&C carried and used compasses. They caried quit a few scientific instruments including barrometers and thermometers along with sextants. As to whether any Mt. Men carried compasses, I can't think of any references to such a practice but that is not to say it wasn't done. It is probably safer to say that most if not all of the early explorers like Bonneville and Pike, etc. also carried compasses. In the east, it would be a safe guess that military expeditions would have a compass along. It might not be something the common man would carry though. IMHO, I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > >From the northwoods, > > Tony Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:10:39 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while northwoods wrote: > Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools > for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers? > > ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark, > but can't be certain.) Tony, YOur right when you remembered that L&C carried and used compasses. They carried quit a few scientific instruments including barometers and thermometers along with sextants. As to whether any Mt. Men carried compasses, I can't think of any references to such a practice but that is not to say it wasn't done. It is probably safer to say that most if not all of the early explorers like Bonneville and Pike, etc. also carried compasses. In the east, it would be a safe guess that military expeditions would have a compass along. It might not be something the common man would carry though. IMHO, I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > >From the northwoods, > > Tony Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:12:54 -0700 From: "Sickler, Louis L" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confuse d for a while Tony, Check out Dean's web page search. It turned up no less than 23 references, including one for 6 pocket compasses listed in the 1836 Rocky Mtn Outfit merchandise list. Could be that this is one of those items that's not generally mentioned. Lou > ---------- > From: northwoods > Reply To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, February 1, 1999 19:51 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty > confused for a while > > My wife asked me yesterday,"Did the mountain men carry > compasses?". I chuckled a little at the question and then told > her what I knew about the development and early use of the > compass,then told her some of the ways one is able to navigate > without a compass,but finally had to admit that I could'nt think > of a single reference to compasses in anything i have read about > mountain men or early western exploration. > > Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools > for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers? > > ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark, > but can't be certain.) > > From the northwoods, > > Tony Clark > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:37:40 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Huvler Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR At 09:31 PM 1/31/99 -0600, you wrote: > I think maybe a lot of people must not even know if their jute is >treated or not. Guess I just found out why this discussion group is so >important! > As for char, try using 100% cotton cheese cloth. > >Dull Hawk > >---------- >> From: yellow rose/pendleton >> To: hist_text@xmission.com >> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE >> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM >> >> Roger, >> Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and >did >> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it >would >> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use >> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of >> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into them here. [ no need in >> encouraging such practices] Even jute won't literally explode into >flames >> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always >> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can >> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants. >I >> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our >> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand. >> A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a >> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material. >They >> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find >it >> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns >into >> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it. >> Pendleton hello list >> I use old baling twine only problem with that is alot of it has rodent control on it so may not be to safe to inhale . of course I've met a few mtn man who must have been using it for awhile:) > philip > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Huvler Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR text@xmission.com >> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE >> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM >> >> Roger, >> Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and >did >> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it >would >> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use >> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of >> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into them here. [ no need in >> encouraging such practices] Even jute won't literally explode into >flames >> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always >> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can >> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants. >I >> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our >> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand. >> A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a >> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material. >They >> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find >it >> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns >into >> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it. >> Pendleton >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:14 -0700 From: "Ron Chamberlain" Subject: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works Hello the list! I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The Cumberland which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is a Southern Mt style. My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in the Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after a Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter. Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800. YMOS Ron AKA Lonewolf Lewis Fork Free Trappers emails cstmzd@ida.net lonewolf@ida.net ICQ #26140332 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:34:56 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR Philip Huvler wrote: > >> A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a > >> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material. > >They > >> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find > >it > >> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns > >into > >> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it. > >> Pendleton Thanks Pendleton, I got some saved up and I'll give it a try. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 02 Feb 99 18:36:00 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works Buy the percx and then change the lock if it will save you money. DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants Ron Chamberlain wrote: >Hello the list! > >I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The Cumberland >which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is a >Southern Mt style. > >My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in the >Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after a >Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter. > >Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800. > >YMOS >Ron >AKA Lonewolf > > >Lewis Fork Free Trappers > >emails cstmzd@ida.net > lonewolf@ida.net >ICQ #26140332 > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with ESMTP > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A4F75A1009A; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:41:43 MDT >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 107lfo-0007EC-00 > for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:48 -0700 >Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 107lfl-0007E4-00 > for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:45 -0700 >Received: from [204.228.203.4] (helo=mail.ida.net) > by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 107lfk-0004D5-00 > for hist_text@xmission.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:45 -0700 >Received: from cstmzd (tc-if5-18.ida.net [208.141.175.27]) > by mail.ida.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02724 > for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:41 -0700 (MST) >Message-Id: <199902021939.MAA02724@mail.ida.net> >From: "Ron Chamberlain" >To: "Mt-Man list" >Subject: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:14 -0700 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 915555592 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:22:28 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works Ron Chamberlain wrote: > > Hello the list! > > I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The Cumberland > which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is a > Southern Mt style. > > My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in the > Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after a > Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter. No.....they also make the Leman copy as a flinter. It has a different model name...can't remember it off hand. Thunder Ridge MZ carries all of them. The WRW Cumberland is a PA "poor boy," and would be correct as would the So. Mtn. Rifle. I have both of these, except that the finish is mine. > Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800. There AREN'T any other semi-custom hand-made rifles available in that price range. Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #230 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.