From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #241 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, February 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 241 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:55:21 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: OIL CLOTH The discussion about making oil cloth went on for a while here sometime ago. What is the difference between using the pigment and linseed oil method versus just using plain oil-based paint? It is my understanding that it was common for barn-red paint to be used for such things. Does the linseed and pigment produce a better more pliable tarp? I have used just straight linseed oil to waterproof a tarp and it worked great. The only down side was the added weight. Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:24:14 -0800 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Well OldFox, I certainly invited the lead but I hadn't expected quite such velocity. I'm bleeding but have not fallen. I'm only here to learn and won't hold as much information if full of holes. I did not intend to imply that alloy substitution would constitute an excuse for poor maintenance. I guess a possible (but admittedly poor) analogy would be multiple carburetors versus fuel injection. Both will do the job, both will fail if not properly cared for, one requires high maintenance, and the other requires less. My admitted lack of experience is obvious, but I can envision circumstance where the best of care may not be immediately possible and an alternate alloy, visually undistinguishable, might offer some slight advantage. Let me ask how you would prepare for/deal with, this hypothetical situation: drop gun in water from canoe (yes, I know it should be tethered), lengthy delay in retrieval. I concur that the cost of lining a barrel could be prohibitively expensive rendering this whole dialogue moot. Any barrel machinists out there care to speculate on cost? Holding hat on a stick - waiting nervously for next salvo Tom ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-02-16 17:07:01 EST, you write: > > > Probably a dumb question > > There are no dumb questions; only dumb people who ask them. > > > since reproduction barrels use modern > > metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone > > considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? > > Barrel liners are available. They cost more than a new barrel, plus the added > cost of having them installed. What's the point? Unless trying to salvage an > old unreplaceable original, they serve no useful purpose. > > > There are high > > strength alloys which are also highly corrosion resistant (and also > > rather expensive) that could insure a lifetime barrel with greatly > > reduced maintenance requirements. > > Lifetime barrels are, and always have been, available. They are on the guns > of people who practice routine maintenance. Contrary to your statement about > BP being so corrosive, it is only so in the guns of those who practice greatly > reduced maintenance. For a discussion of those people, kindly refer to part 2 > of statement 1 in reply to your first question. > > > I'm going to duck now and enjoy the barrage from a safe vantage point. > > Thank you for the invitation for a little target practice. > > OldFox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:02:06 -0400 From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? >Probably a dumb question, but since reproduction barrels use modern >metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone >considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? It would probably be a good solution, Tom, but in my experience, it's a solution to a problem which doesn't exist. I've never found corrosion to be a problem in my guns. Yes, they are all made of different modern alloys, I'm sure, but none of them seems very susceptible to this corrosion problem I hear so much about. I have guns which have been shot a moderate amount for more than 30 years, and the bores still look the same to me now as when I started. I am a hunter, and I drag my guns through some pretty messy situations, so they aren't pampered guns. I've used a variety of cleaning methods over that time period, many different lubes, and they all seem to prevent the problem completely if I do my part, which I always do. The only constant in my long experience has been that I use only real black powder, have never fired a single load of a BP substitute. I wouldn't pay an extra nickle for a special corrosion resistant alloy or a barrel liner, because I see absolutely no need for either. Bob Bob Spencer non illegitimi carborundum est ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:25:00 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware I have a custom made tinned copper pot shaped exactly as you describe. = I holds within an ounce or two of one gallon and is a good item for all = the uses you mention. I had a craftsman make it based on one being held = by a man in AJ Miller's "Trappers at Breakfast"....at least that is what = my memory tells me is the name of the work. My old, much used and = abused coffee pot stays home now. Don't ask for the craftsman's name because the pot was such a pain in = the arse to make that he said that mine would be unique as far as he was = concerned, because he wasn't making another one. Find me at the = national rdv in July and have a look. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: Laurel huber To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware >Dear Joe, > I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT along = with 'em. >I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid, = handle and >bail. Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too = specific an >item to pack along. Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did exist = but stayed >in the settlements indoors. A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils water, = a tea pot >brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided = can-shape >with a bail. It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup. = There are >nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on the = Eau Sucre >River" and "Our Camp". If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's = called an >"1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US = Infantry camp >dated 1820. Made of heavy tin. Works good for coffee and whatever. > >Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber > >TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote: > >> Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank. = What did >> they use for coffee pots? I have seen copper tea pots, but what = about coffee >> pots? >> >> TrapRJoe > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:28:10 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Larry (chair burner to some....ask him about it) lives very near Sulphur = Springs, Texas where sulphur is mined. I assume that his friend lives = in the same area. Shouldn't be a problem for anyone in the area. Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Mill, Kirk To: 'hist_text@lists.xmission.com' Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:03 AM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: SALT PETER > >> Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER >>=20 >> Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who >> aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from = scratch. >> He >> may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does = anybody >> have any idea how to make the stuff ? >> Pendleton > [Mill, Kirk] One of the Foxfire books has fairly detailed >instructions on making salt petre. It looks pretty time consuming and = of >course the consensus of the list is homemade BP is a recipe for = disaster. If >your buddy is so intent on making powder from scratch, where does = intend to >find the sulphur? Does he have a volcano in his back yard? > Kirk Mill > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:25:27 -0800 From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction On The Decline of buffalo, You don't have to shoot em all you just have to affect calf mortality and the reproductive rate. Large Herbivores are generally slow to bring calves to breeding age. If you affect the reproductive rate a population will go into decline, and become worse each year if you add habitat loss, Disruption of migration routes and any natural causes such as bad weather will put the population into a tailspin. If you will recall, bison used to live east of the mississippi, and they were hunted and farmed out in short order. Your most onry' and disobdient hivernant Sega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:35:16 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #240 > > > > > > > I expect that using a more corrosion > >resistant alloy would not degrade our authenticity one bit. The only problem I > >forsee, would be the inability to brown a barrel, if that was the desired finish, > >if the whole barrel was corrosion resistant alloy and not just lined - thus, the > >liner concept. I knew this could be controversial, thanks for only using a small > >charge! The problem with so called corrosion resistant steels for ML gun barrels is that while surface rust won't form on them, no steel will resist the corrosive effects of BP for long. Even the best SS steel will readily pit if left in contact with BP residue. If I remember correctly, Ruger's early SS percussion revolver pitted so badly that Ruger had to change the alloy of the SS to one that will better resist the corrosive effects of BP. J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:35:52 -0800 From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post John, James P. Beckworth, Edward Rose, Moses Harris had decended from African bloodlines. Check them out. I recall reading of others, but don't recollect names right now. Hope all is well with you on the prarie. Hardtack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:55:05 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Larry FYI, our brother Bill A. from Flower Mound knows of a cave near Mason = with large deposits of bat guano....in case your non plumb friend needs = some. However, he would have to risk jail to trespass on a bat preserve = to get it. Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:03 PM Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER >Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who >aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from = scratch. He >may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does = anybody >have any idea how to make the stuff ? >Pendleton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:50:10 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware Lanney, You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly, there would be a bounty on your ass... Love, D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:43 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware I have a custom made tinned copper pot shaped exactly as you describe. I holds within an ounce or two of one gallon and is a good item for all the uses you mention. I had a craftsman make it based on one being held by a man in AJ Miller's "Trappers at Breakfast"....at least that is what my memory tells me is the name of the work. My old, much used and abused coffee pot stays home now. Don't ask for the craftsman's name because the pot was such a pain in the arse to make that he said that mine would be unique as far as he was concerned, because he wasn't making another one. Find me at the national rdv in July and have a look. Lanney Ratcliff - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:09:58 -0800 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Thanks for the gentle reply. I'm interested in learning what cleaning/preservation method you have evolved to for multi-day field maintenance. Do you grease the barrel at the end of each day and then solvent wipe prior to first load next day? I'm also thinking that perhaps current barrel alloys may already offer substantial corrosion resistance, i.e., chromium content. Tom Bob Spencer wrote: > >Probably a dumb question, but since reproduction barrels use modern > >metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone > >considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? > > It would probably be a good solution, Tom, but in my experience, it's a > solution to a problem which doesn't exist. I've never found corrosion to be > a problem in my guns. Yes, they are all made of different modern alloys, > I'm sure, but none of them seems very susceptible to this corrosion problem > I hear so much about. > > I have guns which have been shot a moderate amount for more than 30 years, > and the bores still look the same to me now as when I started. I am a > hunter, and I drag my guns through some pretty messy situations, so they > aren't pampered guns. I've used a variety of cleaning methods over that > time period, many different lubes, and they all seem to prevent the problem > completely if I do my part, which I always do. The only constant in my long > experience has been that I use only real black powder, have never fired a > single load of a BP substitute. > > I wouldn't pay an extra nickle for a special corrosion resistant alloy or a > barrel liner, because I see absolutely no need for either. > > Bob > > Bob Spencer > non illegitimi carborundum est ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 99 20:07:55 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware Need one, so what would be the address, phone # or e-mail for Jarnigin? DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants Laurel huber wrote: >Dear Joe, > I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT along with 'em. >I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid, handle and >bail. Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too >specific an >item to pack along. Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did exist but >stayed >in the settlements indoors. A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils water, a tea pot >brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided can-shape >with a bail. It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup. There are >nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on the Eau Sucre >River" and "Our Camp". If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's called an >"1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US Infantry camp >dated 1820. Made of heavy tin. Works good for coffee and whatever. > >Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber > >TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote: > >> Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank. What did >> they use for coffee pots? I have seen copper tea pots, but what about coffee >> pots? >> >> TrapRJoe > > > > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with ESMTP > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A811E040126; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:37:53 MDT >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10CbIe-0002DI-00 > for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:35:52 -0700 >Received: from [207.217.120.123] (helo=swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10CbIb-0002Cl-00 > for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:35:49 -0700 >Received: from earthlink.net >(pool032-max22.mpop2-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.244.82]) > by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04867 > for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:35:47 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <36C8E9AC.1A21014C@earthlink.net> >Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:44:44 -0800 >From: Laurel huber >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware >References: <9f3764f8.36c6f2a9@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 915555838 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:16:44 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware ...and a large bounty it would be, don't you know?! L - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware >Lanney, > You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky = there >isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly, = there >would be a bounty on your ass... >Love, >D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Lanney Ratcliff >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:43 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware > > >I have a custom made tinned copper pot shaped exactly as you describe. = I >holds within an ounce or two of one gallon and is a good item for all = the >uses you mention. I had a craftsman make it based on one being held by = a >man in AJ Miller's "Trappers at Breakfast"....at least that is what my >memory tells me is the name of the work. My old, much used and abused >coffee pot stays home now. >Don't ask for the craftsman's name because the pot was such a pain in = the >arse to make that he said that mine would be unique as far as he was >concerned, because he wasn't making another one. Find me at the = national >rdv in July and have a look. >Lanney Ratcliff > >---- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:14:06 -0800 From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Tom, I believe in the natural way to clean/ maintain my BP guns. I read a long time ago, and believe, that natural oils are best for these firearms. I use vegetable, or animal, oils for preserving my guns. The idea is likened to curing a cast iron skillet. I use water to clean my gun, and animal/vegetable grease to grease it. It works for me. Hardtack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:13:56 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware Aye Lad, $5. American, at least... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:34 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware ...and a large bounty it would be, don't you know?! L - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware >Lanney, > You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there >isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly, there >would be a bounty on your ass... >Love, >D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Lanney Ratcliff >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:43 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware > > >I have a custom made tinned copper pot shaped exactly as you describe. I >holds within an ounce or two of one gallon and is a good item for all the >uses you mention. I had a craftsman make it based on one being held by a >man in AJ Miller's "Trappers at Breakfast"....at least that is what my >memory tells me is the name of the work. My old, much used and abused >coffee pot stays home now. >Don't ask for the craftsman's name because the pot was such a pain in the >arse to make that he said that mine would be unique as far as he was >concerned, because he wasn't making another one. Find me at the national >rdv in July and have a look. >Lanney Ratcliff > >---- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:15:24 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Graniteware Aye Lad, $5. American, at least... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Lanney Ratcliff >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:34 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware > > >...and a large bounty it would be, don't you know?! >L >-----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Miles >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:49 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:30:34 -0500 From: greg n bosen Subject: MtMan-List: Mikwa Trading Post?????????? Does anyone have the current phone and address for Mikwa Trading Post? 2402 92nd Lubbock, TX 79423 is wrong, they moved and i lost their new number and address!!! Thanks greg ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:51 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Washtahay- At 10:09 PM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm interested in learning what >cleaning/preservation method you have evolved to for multi-day field >maintenance. Do you grease the barrel at the end of each day and then solvent >wipe prior to first load next day? I'm also thinking that perhaps current >barrel alloys may already offer substantial corrosion resistance, i.e., >chromium content. One of the guns I use on a fairly regular basis has a wrought-iron barrel (it used to be a wagon tire). As best I can tell, it has no more corrosion resistence than any other wrought iron, as was used back then. Clean with wet tow, dry with a couple more wads of tow. Wipe the metal with an oiled patch (usually neatsfoot oil or deer tallow). No rust problems in the 10 or so years I've been using it. If you want a "stainless" barrel liner, cost breakdown is something like this: stainless barrel blank ca. $150, turning it down to a liner ca $100, boring out and lining barrel ca. $175 (I called a gunsmith). Looks to me like it would be easier to just take care of the barrel you have. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:32:19 -0400 From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer) Subject: MtMan-List: cleaning, was Barrel Liner? >Thanks for the gentle reply. I'm interested in learning what >cleaning/preservation method you have evolved to for multi-day field >maintenance. Do you grease the barrel at the end of each day and then solvent >wipe prior to first load next day? I'm also thinking that perhaps current >barrel alloys may already offer substantial corrosion resistance, i.e., >chromium content. Well, my way of doing it is very simple, but I use a couple of different methods, depending upon whether I'm cleaning a rifle or a smoothbore. I've become a flintlock smoothbore addict, and that's all I shoot, these days, so I'll start with that. Remember, I'm describing my way of cleaning in hunting camp, when little actual shooting is done, or on a trek, when 30 shots in a day is a lot. I use a homebrew lube of 25% beeswax and 75% hog lard, and that's my patch lube as well as lube for my bore and the outside of my gun, wood and all. To clean, I just plug up the touch-hole, pour a half-cup of cold water down the bore, put my thumb over the muzzle and tilt the gun back and forth 3-4 times while rotating it, to make certain all parts of the bore are being washed. After doing this 3-4 times, the water comes out clear. I then swab the bore 3-4-5 times,, using just a snug, soft wet patch on a gun worm, making sure I rotate the patch all the time while running it up and down the bore, and especially down in the breech. Then 2-3 dry patches done the same. Then 1-2 lubricated patches, again paying particular attention to the breech. Rub down the outside and I'm finished, takes about 10-15 minutes, tops. Before loading the next morning, I just run a dry patch to remove any excess lube and load as usual. If in hunting camp, I don't hesitate to leave the gun loaded for 3-4-5 days, regardless of the weather. I have shot, reloaded and left the dirty gun loaded overnight, many times, without any problem. For a rifle, the method is the same with a couple of minor changes. I use a tight patch on a jag, not a gun worm for the cleaning. I use Wonderlube or Natural Lube 1000 (same stuff) for lubricating the cleaned bore and for patch lube. Again, I don't hesitate to leave the gun loaded overnight if it was loaded on a clean bore, and even for one night if it has been fired and reloaded. In the past, I have used hot soapy water, WD-40 and gun oil for a lot of years. I've also used Number 13 and Number 13 Plus as the solvent, either after the water cleaning or as the only liquid. Never had any problem with any of these methods, so long as I was concientious in my cleaning. Sorry to be so long winded. Takes longer to tell it than to do it. Bob Bob Spencer non illegitimi carborundum est ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:02:08 -0800 From: Laurel huber Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? I agree with Randy on this. Bear grease or whale oil are probably the best...and a little bit goes a long ways. Whale oil is damn near impossible to get but bear grease can be used in states that allow bear to be taken legally. Petroleum based oils and Black Powder do not seem to do well together. Larry "Shoot-the-Prairie" Huber RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote: > Tom, I believe in the natural way to clean/ maintain my BP guns. I read > a long time ago, and believe, that natural oils are best for these > firearms. I use vegetable, or animal, oils for preserving my guns. The > idea is likened to curing a cast iron skillet. I use water to clean my > gun, and animal/vegetable grease to grease it. It works for me. > Hardtack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:51:13 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OIL CLOTH I've been off list for a while with computer problems. Oil paint today (except sign painters paint) isn't remotely similar to the barn paint you speak of. Sign paint nearly takes an act of congress to acquire= and though artist oil paint would work the drying time could be easier measured= in months. The pigment would be more helpful on cheap open weave (single fill) canvas. Pigment is nothing but specific high grade dirt, sift the stuff in your yard through a fine (geologists) screen and it will work dandy. Modern boiled linseed also isn't similar to the traditional product. See my postings back in late December '97 for detailed information on working with linseed and making stock finish. The archives also contain extensive discussions of waterproofing cloth. I posted one taken from Rob Allen's= 1804 sometime last year. Personally I prefer a top quality double fill fine woven canvas with no waterproofing added. If you waterproof too much the condensation trapped within negates any benefit of waterproofing, it is best used to protect= goods not people. John... At 06:55 PM 2/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >The discussion about making oil cloth went on for a while here sometime >ago.=A0 What is the difference between using the pigment and linseed oil >method versus just using plain oil-based paint?=A0 It is my understanding >that it was common for barn-red paint to be used for such things.=A0 Does= the >linseed and pigment produce a better more pliable tarp?=A0 I have used just >straight linseed oil to waterproof a tarp and it worked great.=A0 The only >down side was the added weight.=A0=20 >Pendleton >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:11:08 -0800 From: Laurel huber Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware Okay, Keas Duo, here you go: C & D Jarnagin Company PO Box 1860 Corinth, MS 38835-1860 Phone: (601) 287-4977 or...www.avsia.com/jarnagin/jarnagin.html You want their 18th Century catalog(they do much Civil War stuff). My issue is from 1996 and cost $3.00. Good luck. Larry Huber Shoots-the-Prairie Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: > Need one, so what would be the address, phone # or e-mail for Jarnigin? > > DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > > Laurel huber wrote: > >Dear Joe, > > I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT along > with 'em. > >I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid, > handle and > >bail. Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too > >specific an > >item to pack along. Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did exist > but > >stayed > >in the settlements indoors. A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils water, a > tea pot > >brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided > can-shape > >with a bail. It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup. > There are > >nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on the > Eau Sucre > >River" and "Our Camp". If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's > called an > >"1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US Infantry > camp > >dated 1820. Made of heavy tin. Works good for coffee and whatever. > > > >Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber > > > >TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank. > What did > >> they use for coffee pots? I have seen copper tea pots, but what about > coffee > >> pots? > >> > >> TrapRJoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > >RFC822 header > >----------------------------------- > > > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with > ESMTP > > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A811E040126; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:37:53 MDT > >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) > > id 10CbIe-0002DI-00 > > for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:35:52 -0700 > >Received: from [207.217.120.123] (helo=swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) > > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > > id 10CbIb-0002Cl-00 > > for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:35:49 -0700 > >Received: from earthlink.net > >(pool032-max22.mpop2-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.244.82]) > > by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04867 > > for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:35:47 -0800 > (PST) > >Message-ID: <36C8E9AC.1A21014C@earthlink.net> > >Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:44:44 -0800 > >From: Laurel huber > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware > >References: <9f3764f8.36c6f2a9@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >X-UIDL: 915555838 > >Status: U > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #241 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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