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Date: 04 Mar 99 20:48:46 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Book on Texas

I just read a good one a few months ago called Three Roads to Texas or
Three Rode to Texas.  Loaned it out so not sure of the exact title, but it
is good.  Gives the lives of Crocket, Bowie and Travis and it doesn't sugar
coat anything.  The early lives of all three will surprise you, but the
fact remains they were all three hereos when it counted.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:01:17 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Pablo wrote(Among other things):

"Texans are larger than life"

>>And windy as well....Serious Pablo, I would much rather have you up here
around the fire spinin these yarns in person like, sharin a cup or 4 with
me.. Besides, it is hurtin' my brain to sound out and cipher all these
words...<BG>

D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:30:20 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

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Ratcliff wrote:

>  CaptThat is a cracker jack of a recipe.  If I weren't a dang diabetic
> I would rush into the kitchen and whup up a batch right now.  I'm
> willing to bet that if you don't get some hot water into that sugared
> up skillet pretty soon after taking out the glazed corn She Who Must
> Be Obeyed will be less that happy.  Way less.YMOSLanney
>
> Lanney,
>
> Good point about getting the sugar out of the skillet, but of course
> the secret is in not letting the skillet and such to get that hotin
> the first place. You really only need enough heat to get the sugars to
> liquify. Beyond that and they will burn. Then you will be in deep
> unhappyness. I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
>      To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>      <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>      Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:18 PM
>      Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes
>
>
>      WSmith4100@aol.com wrote:
>
>     > To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of
>     > TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
>     > KIDDING!!!!!!
>     >
>     > But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes
>     > I can read) and all
>     > of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone
>     > tell me how to parch
>     > corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
>     > Thanks, y'all
>     > Wade
>
>      Wade,
>
>      I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this
>      subject and there isn't much to add but I do have a couple
>      of ideas to go with what Lanney sent.
>
>      Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney
>      mentions and that is what I like to use too but it is a bit
>      bland to say the least. I do have some friends that like to
>      use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up like the
>      indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a
>      naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn
>      is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet
>      just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as
>      much as they will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple
>      sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4 cup or
>      so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce
>      the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to
>      slowly bring the sugars up to the point where they melt and
>      start to coat the corn kernels. In the case of the liquid
>      sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them
>      evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because
>      the sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture
>      and you don't want to start out with sticky coatings right
>      off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or
>      cookie sheet and let cool. You can then carefully bust it up
>      and bag or store it however you see fit. I don't recommend
>      that you parch your corn with oil since that will make it
>      hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.  Keep
>      it dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain......
>
>      YMOS
>      Capt. Lahti'
>
>

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<p>Ratcliff wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<font color="#000000">Capt</font>That is a
cracker jack of a recipe.&nbsp; If I weren't a dang diabetic I would rush
into the kitchen and whup up a batch right now.&nbsp; I'm willing to bet
that if you don't get some hot water into that sugared up skillet pretty
soon after taking out the glazed corn She Who Must Be Obeyed will be less
that happy.&nbsp; Way less.YMOSLanney
<p>Lanney,
<p>Good point about getting the sugar out of the skillet, but of course
the secret is in not letting the skillet and such to get that hotin the
first place. You really only need enough heat to get the sugars to liquify.
Beyond that and they will burn. Then you will be in deep unhappyness. I
remain.....
<p>YMOS
<br>Capt. Lahti'
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
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Message-----</font></font></b>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><b>From: </b>Roger Lahti &lt;<a href="mailto:lahtirog@gte.net">lahtirog@gte.net</a>></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com</a>
&lt;<a href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com</a>></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><b>Date: </b>Thursday, March 04, 1999
2:18 PM</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><b>Subject: </b>Re: MtMan-List: recipes</font></font>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><a href="mailto:WSmith4100@aol.com">WSmith4100@aol.com</a> wrote:
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>To all my brothers and sisters in the great state
of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
<br>KIDDING!!!!!!
<p>But seriously,&nbsp; was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can
read) and all
<br>of the meals were based around parched corn.&nbsp; Can anyone tell
me how to parch
<br>corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
<br>Thanks, y'all
<br>Wade</blockquote>
Wade,
<p>I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and
there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what
Lanney sent.
<p>Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and
that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least.
I do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead.
they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and
are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is,
like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the kernels
stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take granulated
brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4
cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce the
heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the sugars
up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In
the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture
in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the
sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want
to start out with sticky coatings right off. When done, just dump it all
out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. You can then carefully
bust it up and bag or store it however you see fit.<i> </i>I don't recommend
that you parch your corn with oil since that will make it hard to coat
with sugar and make it go rancid faster.&nbsp; Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep
it away from your kids. I remain......
<p>YMOS
<br>Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:08:18 -0800
From: butch <shabut@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

> > Good point about getting the sugar out of the skillet,
> > but of course the secret is in not letting the skillet
> > and such to get that hotin the first place. You really
> > only need enough heat to get the sugars to liquify.
> > Beyond that and they will burn. Then you will be in deep
> > unhappyness. I remain.....
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >
> >    Gents; 

	If all else fails, and you thought to use a cast iron
skillet in the first place.... take it outside and stick it
in the middle of a good campfire.  That'll burn off almost
anything stuck hopelessly to it and won't hurt the cast
iron.  With sugar, pouring some boiling water in the skillet
right after you're done using it, or fill it with hot water
and leave it on the fire to boil for awhile.  That will work
with any skillet.  

	
	Butch

	champion sticker-of-stuff-to-skillets for 40 years
> >
> >
> >      -----Original Message-----
> >      From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
> >      To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >      <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> >      Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:18 PM
> >      Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes
> >
> >
> >      WSmith4100@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >     > To all my brothers and sisters in the great
> >     > state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
> >     > KIDDING!!!!!!
> >     >
> >     > But seriously,  was reading somethin' the
> >     > other day,( yes I can read) and all
> >     > of the meals were based around parched
> >     > corn.  Can anyone tell me how to parch
> >     > corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to
> >     > pass along.
> >     > Thanks, y'all
> >     > Wade
> >
> >      Wade,
> >
> >      I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive
> >      post on this subject and there isn't much to
> >      add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with
> >      what Lanney sent.
> >
> >      Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn
> >      that Lanney mentions and that is what I like
> >      to use too but it is a bit bland to say the
> >      least. I do have some friends that like to use
> >      dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up
> >      like the indian corn but are not as hard on
> >      the teeth and are a naturally sweeter eat. One
> >      thing you can do with indian corn is, like
> >      Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a
> >      skillet just after the kernels stop snapping
> >      and are puffed up as much as they will be.
> >      Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or
> >      syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4
> >      cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You
> >      will need to reduce the heat a bit so you
> >      don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly
> >      bring the sugars up to the point where they
> >      melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In
> >      the case of the liquid sugars, you will have
> >      to slowly let the moisture in them evaporate.
> >      The drier you can get this mix the better
> >      because the sugar coating on your corn can and
> >      will draw moisture and you don't want to start
> >      out with sticky coatings right off. When done,
> >      just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie
> >      sheet and let cool. You can then carefully
> >      bust it up and bag or store it however you see
> >      fit. I don't recommend that you parch your
> >      corn with oil since that will make it hard to
> >      coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.
> >      Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your
> >      kids. I remain......
> >
> >      YMOS
> >      Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:12:06 -0800
From: butch <shabut@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: AGH!

Sorry about that last post.  I sure didn't scroll down far
enough to delete stuff, did I?

	Butch

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:53:28 -0600
From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@onr.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Butch:  Very well expressed.  Thanks.  Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: butch <shabut@earthlink.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>larry pendleton wrote:
>>
>> Pablo,
>>   Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis.  Given that the
>> treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury,
and
>> the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well
be
>> that our Hero wasn't quite right.  Never the less, that letter is the
stuff
>> of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have
stand
>> on end.
>> Pendleton
>
>
> Heroes are human beings who happen to get it together at
>the right time and in the right place.  I don't mean to take
>anything away from Travis or Crockett by saying that;  I
>mean that all humans are prone to mistakes and bad moves.
>What counts is how we stand up when the crunch comes.  And
>all these men stood up just fine.
>
> As to crying, meeting death on the moment in the heat of a
>fight is one thing.  Seeing it coming for days and knowing
>damn well you *are* going to die is quite another.  Standing
>and dying in place when the time comes and doing the best
>you can with it is what counts, at least with me.  All these
>men did that.  Could I?  Could you?  I dunno, but I sure
>respect any man or woman who has.  Crazy or afraid or
>anything else.  The fact that I can respect a brave and
>courageous act doesn't mean that I necessarily admire the
>rest of someone's life, and vice versa.  Just gotta play it
>as it lays, I guess.
>
>
> Butch
>
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:55:28 -0600
From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@onr.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Dennis, it hurts me so very much to think that I am causing you pain, that I
am going out of town this morning and will not return until Monday just to
do pentance.  Pablo the Ever Humble
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>Pablo wrote(Among other things):
>
>"Texans are larger than life"
>
>>>And windy as well....Serious Pablo, I would much rather have you up here
>around the fire spinin these yarns in person like, sharin a cup or 4 with
>me.. Besides, it is hurtin' my brain to sound out and cipher all these
>words...<BG>
>
>D
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:52:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Keller <skel_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Fellow 'skinners, please join me in a moment of silence tomorrow at
12:00 noon, in honor of those that died to give us freedom.




- ---Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net> wrote:
>
> Viva la Tejas!!!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; AMM
> <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:31 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: More about Texas
> 
> 
> Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like
Texans,
> everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity
shown by
> heroes.  Few people anywhere have accounted themselves better than
the men
> who fell at the seige of the Alamo...thirteen days of glory that
came to a
> bloody end on March 6, 1836.
> Among the things accomplished during the time they purchased with
their
> lives was the completion of the Declaration of Independence of the
Republic
> of Texas at Washington on the Brazos on March 2, 1836.  At least one
of my
> ancestors held a land grant in central Texas at the time of the Texas
> Revolution so my feelings about those events are even more personal
than
> many.  So please excuse my shamless pride in the sacrifice of those
heroes
> (and those at Goliad and other battles) and of the legacy they left
for all
> of us.
> Lanney Ratcliff, Proud Texan
> Thanks to Paul Stevens for posting the following:
> 
> Regardless of what ya'll learned in school, today is Independence
Day, Texas
> Independence Day.  In honor of this day, I decided to send ya'll a
little
> reminder of history.
> 
> 
> 
> Travis' Appeal for Aid at the Alamo
> (24 February 1836)
> 
> 
> William Barret Travis and almost two hundred other defenders found
> themselves surrounded at the Alamo Mission in San Antonio in late
February
> of 1836. Refusing to surrender, they held off the invading armies of
Mexican
> Dictator Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna for almost two weeks.
> 
> On March 6, the courageous Texans were overrun and slaughtered by
well over
> 2000 Mexicans. The resulting delay of Santa Anna's eastward movement
gave
> other Texans more time to organize, both politically and militarily,
and to
> ultimately defeat and capture Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto,
> fought April 21, 1836.
> 
> The letter below was written by Travis soon after the Mexicans first
> appeared in the area around San Antonio. It is often referenced as a
supreme
> example of the virtues of courage and self-sacrifice.
> 
> 
>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Commandancy of the Alamo
> Bexar, Fby. 24th, 1836
> 
> To the People of Texas &
> all Americans in the world
> Fellow Citizens & Compatriots
> 
> I am besieged by a thousand
> or more of the Mexicans under
> Santa Anna. I have sustained a
> continual bombardment &
> cannonade for 24 hours & have
> not lost a man. The enemy
> has demanded a surrender at
> discretion, otherwise the garrison
> are to be put to the sword if
> the fort is taken. I have answered
> the demand with a cannon
> shot, and our flag still waves
> proudly from the walls. I
> shall never surrender nor retreat.
> 
> Then, I call on you in the
> name of Liberty, of patriotism, &
> of everything dear to the American
> character, to come to our aid
> with all dispatch. The enemy is
> receiving reinforcements daily &
> will no doubt increase to three or
> four thousand in four or five days.
> If this call is neglected, I am deter-
> mined to sustain myself as long as
> possible & die like a soldier
> who never forgets what is due to
> his own honor & that of his
> country.
> 
> Victory or Death
> William Barret Travis
> Lt. Col. Comdt.
> 
> P. S. The Lord is on our side.
> When the enemy appeared in sight
> we had not three bushels of corn.
> We have since found in deserted
> houses 80 or 90 bushels & got into
> the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> 
> God Bless Texas!!!  (This is my own little inclusion and not part of
Travis'
> letter)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Paul Stevens
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:52:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Keller <skel_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Fellow 'skinners, please join me in a moment of silence tomorrow at
12:00 noon, in honor of those that died to give us freedom.




- ---Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net> wrote:
>
> Viva la Tejas!!!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; AMM
> <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:31 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: More about Texas
> 
> 
> Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like
Texans,
> everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity
shown by
> heroes.  Few people anywhere have accounted themselves better than
the men
> who fell at the seige of the Alamo...thirteen days of glory that
came to a
> bloody end on March 6, 1836.
> Among the things accomplished during the time they purchased with
their
> lives was the completion of the Declaration of Independence of the
Republic
> of Texas at Washington on the Brazos on March 2, 1836.  At least one
of my
> ancestors held a land grant in central Texas at the time of the Texas
> Revolution so my feelings about those events are even more personal
than
> many.  So please excuse my shamless pride in the sacrifice of those
heroes
> (and those at Goliad and other battles) and of the legacy they left
for all
> of us.
> Lanney Ratcliff, Proud Texan
> Thanks to Paul Stevens for posting the following:
> 
> Regardless of what ya'll learned in school, today is Independence
Day, Texas
> Independence Day.  In honor of this day, I decided to send ya'll a
little
> reminder of history.
> 
> 
> 
> Travis' Appeal for Aid at the Alamo
> (24 February 1836)
> 
> 
> William Barret Travis and almost two hundred other defenders found
> themselves surrounded at the Alamo Mission in San Antonio in late
February
> of 1836. Refusing to surrender, they held off the invading armies of
Mexican
> Dictator Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna for almost two weeks.
> 
> On March 6, the courageous Texans were overrun and slaughtered by
well over
> 2000 Mexicans. The resulting delay of Santa Anna's eastward movement
gave
> other Texans more time to organize, both politically and militarily,
and to
> ultimately defeat and capture Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto,
> fought April 21, 1836.
> 
> The letter below was written by Travis soon after the Mexicans first
> appeared in the area around San Antonio. It is often referenced as a
supreme
> example of the virtues of courage and self-sacrifice.
> 
> 
>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Commandancy of the Alamo
> Bexar, Fby. 24th, 1836
> 
> To the People of Texas &
> all Americans in the world
> Fellow Citizens & Compatriots
> 
> I am besieged by a thousand
> or more of the Mexicans under
> Santa Anna. I have sustained a
> continual bombardment &
> cannonade for 24 hours & have
> not lost a man. The enemy
> has demanded a surrender at
> discretion, otherwise the garrison
> are to be put to the sword if
> the fort is taken. I have answered
> the demand with a cannon
> shot, and our flag still waves
> proudly from the walls. I
> shall never surrender nor retreat.
> 
> Then, I call on you in the
> name of Liberty, of patriotism, &
> of everything dear to the American
> character, to come to our aid
> with all dispatch. The enemy is
> receiving reinforcements daily &
> will no doubt increase to three or
> four thousand in four or five days.
> If this call is neglected, I am deter-
> mined to sustain myself as long as
> possible & die like a soldier
> who never forgets what is due to
> his own honor & that of his
> country.
> 
> Victory or Death
> William Barret Travis
> Lt. Col. Comdt.
> 
> P. S. The Lord is on our side.
> When the enemy appeared in sight
> we had not three bushels of corn.
> We have since found in deserted
> houses 80 or 90 bushels & got into
> the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> 
> God Bless Texas!!!  (This is my own little inclusion and not part of
Travis'
> letter)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Paul Stevens
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:33:44 -0500
From: "sean" <sean@peganet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Also, a patient usually went "mad" from Tertiary Syphillis.... At that stage
it affects the brain and usually caused insanity...

Addison Miller

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:35:43 -0500
From: "sean" <sean@peganet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

A Marine at Khe Sahn once told me... "Doc, it's not how you die, but how
WELL you die"... That should say it all.... They all died well!!

Addison Miller
(Former Texan)
- -----Original Message-----
From: butch <shabut@earthlink.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>larry pendleton wrote:
>>
>> Pablo,
>>   Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis.  Given that the
>> treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury,
and
>> the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well
be
>> that our Hero wasn't quite right.  Never the less, that letter is the
stuff
>> of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have
stand
>> on end.
>> Pendleton
>
>
> Heroes are human beings who happen to get it together at
>the right time and in the right place.  I don't mean to take
>anything away from Travis or Crockett by saying that;  I
>mean that all humans are prone to mistakes and bad moves.
>What counts is how we stand up when the crunch comes.  And
>all these men stood up just fine.
>
> As to crying, meeting death on the moment in the heat of a
>fight is one thing.  Seeing it coming for days and knowing
>damn well you *are* going to die is quite another.  Standing
>and dying in place when the time comes and doing the best
>you can with it is what counts, at least with me.  All these
>men did that.  Could I?  Could you?  I dunno, but I sure
>respect any man or woman who has.  Crazy or afraid or
>anything else.  The fact that I can respect a brave and
>courageous act doesn't mean that I necessarily admire the
>rest of someone's life, and vice versa.  Just gotta play it
>as it lays, I guess.
>
>
> Butch
>
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:28:00 +1300
From: "The Brooks" <ghbphoto@voyager.co.nz>
Subject: MtMan-List: 12 noon 1836

Sam Keller Wrote,
Please join me etc.

We are ahead in time here and in 45 minutes time it will be 12 noon March
6th. I will join in the silence as a mark of respect as called for. I have
stood in the grounds of the Alamo and walked around as most tourists have
done. I have walked in the long barracks.I have wondered what it takes to
stay and face certain death and if I would have stayed. But yes I would,
because all your comrades are on eitherside of you and I don't know of any
man that would run out and leaves his mates behind. Thats just the way it
happens. I walked the river walk and wondered what Travis Crockett etc would
think if they could come back. Coincidentally I am wearing...and believe me
I did not remember about the significance of March 6th until I cleared my
e-mail this morning.. my "Birthplace of Davy Crockett"  T shirt that I
purchased at  Limestone Creek state park Tennessee. You have pride in your
heritage in Texas. It is something sadly lacking in the people of my
country.

Kia Ora
Big Bear
New Zealand

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:09:37 PST
From: "Bill Jackson" <billjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

so mote it be


>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:52:26 -0800 (PST)
>From: Sam Keller <skel_98@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com, hist_text@lists.xmission.com,
>  AMM <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>
>Fellow 'skinners, please join me in a moment of silence tomorrow at
>12:00 noon, in honor of those that died to give us freedom.
>
>
>
>
>---Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net> wrote:
>>
>> Viva la Tejas!!!
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
>> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; AMM
>> <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:31 PM
>> Subject: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>> 
>> 
>> Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like
>Texans,
>> everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity
>shown by
>> heroes.  Few people anywhere have accounted themselves better than
>the men
>> who fell at the seige of the Alamo...thirteen days of glory that
>came to a
>> bloody end on March 6, 1836.
>> Among the things accomplished during the time they purchased with
>their
>> lives was the completion of the Declaration of Independence of the
>Republic
>> of Texas at Washington on the Brazos on March 2, 1836.  At least one
>of my
>> ancestors held a land grant in central Texas at the time of the Texas
>> Revolution so my feelings about those events are even more personal
>than
>> many.  So please excuse my shamless pride in the sacrifice of those
>heroes
>> (and those at Goliad and other battles) and of the legacy they left
>for all
>> of us.
>> Lanney Ratcliff, Proud Texan
>> Thanks to Paul Stevens for posting the following:
>> 
>> Regardless of what ya'll learned in school, today is Independence
>Day, Texas
>> Independence Day.  In honor of this day, I decided to send ya'll a
>little
>> reminder of history.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Travis' Appeal for Aid at the Alamo
>> (24 February 1836)
>> 
>> 
>> William Barret Travis and almost two hundred other defenders found
>> themselves surrounded at the Alamo Mission in San Antonio in late
>February
>> of 1836. Refusing to surrender, they held off the invading armies of
>Mexican
>> Dictator Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna for almost two weeks.
>> 
>> On March 6, the courageous Texans were overrun and slaughtered by
>well over
>> 2000 Mexicans. The resulting delay of Santa Anna's eastward movement
>gave
>> other Texans more time to organize, both politically and militarily,
>and to
>> ultimately defeat and capture Santa Anna at the Battle of San 
Jacinto,
>> fought April 21, 1836.
>> 
>> The letter below was written by Travis soon after the Mexicans first
>> appeared in the area around San Antonio. It is often referenced as a
>supreme
>> example of the virtues of courage and self-sacrifice.
>> 
>> 
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Commandancy of the Alamo
>> Bexar, Fby. 24th, 1836
>> 
>> To the People of Texas &
>> all Americans in the world
>> Fellow Citizens & Compatriots
>> 
>> I am besieged by a thousand
>> or more of the Mexicans under
>> Santa Anna. I have sustained a
>> continual bombardment &
>> cannonade for 24 hours & have
>> not lost a man. The enemy
>> has demanded a surrender at
>> discretion, otherwise the garrison
>> are to be put to the sword if
>> the fort is taken. I have answered
>> the demand with a cannon
>> shot, and our flag still waves
>> proudly from the walls. I
>> shall never surrender nor retreat.
>> 
>> Then, I call on you in the
>> name of Liberty, of patriotism, &
>> of everything dear to the American
>> character, to come to our aid
>> with all dispatch. The enemy is
>> receiving reinforcements daily &
>> will no doubt increase to three or
>> four thousand in four or five days.
>> If this call is neglected, I am deter-
>> mined to sustain myself as long as
>> possible & die like a soldier
>> who never forgets what is due to
>> his own honor & that of his
>> country.
>> 
>> Victory or Death
>> William Barret Travis
>> Lt. Col. Comdt.
>> 
>> P. S. The Lord is on our side.
>> When the enemy appeared in sight
>> we had not three bushels of corn.
>> We have since found in deserted
>> houses 80 or 90 bushels & got into
>> the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> God Bless Texas!!!  (This is my own little inclusion and not part of
>Travis'
>> letter)
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Paul Stevens
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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