From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #261 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, March 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 261 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:05:19 -0800 From: Barbara Smith Subject: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list? Dear Sirs, Are there any AMM Brothers from North Carolina on this list? I have a dear friend who'se new to the buckskinning world and looking for high-quality "porkeater" events to attend in that state, and I recommended she ask the AMM. She'd be interested in living history sites, reenactments, rendezvous and the like. I'd hate to send her to anything farby or low-class though - she's a fine upstanding woman of good character (and she cooks good, too!) and I'd hate for her to be put off the hobby by going to a no-class event. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :-) Yer Most Disobedient Servant, Tassee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:23:10 -0800 From: Barbara Smith Subject: MtMan-List: Kinjano Gads! You're a GIRL? Sorry, I just heard the tail of some conversations 'bout Ohio, and scaring the boy, and assumed you were male! (Gotta show those assets...) Anyway, I'm off to see your website, and I'm very interested in what you're doing. This doins' I've been describing was put on by two women who used to belong to "Hyu Eenas" (Many Beavers), a group which appeared to go belly up after it's ringleader high-tailed it to Wyoming. They had a great newsletter with all sorts of fabulous information, and a slogan "Keep yer flour dry!" which always makes me grin. I got into this hobby after they'd died off, but a friend gave me copies of their newsletters for the good information. I BELIEVE they were all women associated with AMM brothers in one way or another. I'd be interested in any women's association, but I'm not married to a Brother, so please tell me that's not a criteria! Also, does your group have any ties to similar women's groups elsewhere in the country, like say, North Carolina? Many thanks, dear lady, and sorry about the misassumption: What giggle I had opening the list today! :-) Yer Most Disobedient Servant, Tassee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:29:56 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming... I have a good horn... polished and thinned, smoothed, etc... I want to try to do some scrimshaw on it... my first attempt. How do I keep the ink from getting into other cracks in the horn when I start applying it? *chuckles*.. and before someone says it.. I know... veeerrryyy carefully... Someone told me to use beeswax and scrim thru it, but that is a real pain in the butt. Any better ideas? Addison Miller aka Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:38:11 -0500 From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HORNS This Is Where I get mine: The K Company 128B Lebby St. Pelzer S.C. 29669 Phone: 864-947-2788 Open Tues-Sat 10AM-6PM Tell Kay Possum Hunter Sent ya! "No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of Anabaptist leader Hans Denk) - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:50 PM Subject: MtMan-List: HORNS >Ok guys a serious question. Where can I get really high quality cow horns? > I am talking about scrimshaw quality with good turns that will make Golden >Age period powder horns. >Pendleton > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:54:28 -0500 From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list? Barbara, I ain't from North Carolina, but a good one to go to is the Muzzleloader Enclave held at Kings Mountain State Park in South Carolina.( It is on the good side of the North Carolina / South Carolina line) :-) Another good one to go to is Old Timey Days in Cades Cove in Smokey Mountain National Park. Iffin ya don't mind driving to Greenville, South Carolina, the Roper Mountain Science Center has a real good living history farm open on some Saturdays. The Charlestown Landing in Charleston SC is also pretty good. I am sure there are others in North Carolina That are good, but why not come to South Carolina and watch the pros do it? "No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of Anabaptist leader Hans Denk) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Smith To: history Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:05 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list? >Dear Sirs, > >Are there any AMM Brothers from North Carolina on this list? I have a >dear friend who'se new to the buckskinning world and looking for >high-quality "porkeater" events to attend in that state, and I >recommended she ask the AMM. She'd be interested in living history >sites, reenactments, rendezvous and the like. I'd hate to send her to >anything farby or low-class though - she's a fine upstanding woman of >good character (and she cooks good, too!) and I'd hate for her to be put >off the hobby by going to a no-class event. > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :-) > >Yer Most Disobedient Servant, >Tassee > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:00:26 -0600 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #260 Parker query: Kaskaskia/Ft. Clark. M.M.Quaife in his 1913 book, Chicago and the Old Northwest,1673-1835. Quaife has many good references to forts and players. Kaskaskia, its taking by the Hannibal of Kentucky (which was a county of Virginia) Clark, and its history are fully covered. Later (1814) Forsyth is pleading the case for a Factory at Ft. Clark, so the Pottawatomies can receive goods "as cheap in this was as they formerly did in the factory at Chicago". They were bemoaning the high prices at the sutler's store. This is an excellent text in some ways, and the fact that the map shows many forts and settlements and pointedly does not show Fort Clark in relationship to Kaskaskia may or may not shed light. I'll deep diggin. I hear they give cowboys in Texas enemas so's they can bury 'em in shoe boxes. Rock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:17:07 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Come on guys, let's not take things to extremes! NOBODY ever said that humor wasn't allowed. There is a BIG difference between occasional jokes and remarks that we all enjoy and have participated in and DOZENS of consecutive postings slamming Texans/Non Texans! After the first couple go arounds, those who wanted to continue the fun should have simply replied directly to one another and respected the overall intention of the list and it's originator. No big deal. Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub! What's in this stuff anyway? MB Dennis Miles wrote:. > Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer a > technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) Larry Pendleton wrote: I will tryto keep a lid on the B.S. as much as I can in an effort to keep from bothering the folks who don't believe that you can do both. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:34:16 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube ikon@mindspring.com wrote: > > Fred, > > I am also wondering what kind of lube your are talking about. I am looking > for a lube that is not store bought but rather made. I am kind of > simplifying the shooting by just buying tickling for patches not the pre cut > and would like a good lube also. Our lube's ingredients were available back in the 1700's, but were never combined into a lube. The whole project came about because, like you and many others, a buddy of mine and I wanted a much better lube than what was/is avilable from commercial makers and also the known home brews, and we wanted it to be period correct. It took almost 2 full years of work before we finally refined the process and formula to where it is now. At first, we wern't going to even market the stuff, as we had it for ourselves, and could shoot all day without cleaning, yet had GREAT accuracy. We had what we had wanted. Then we gave some of it away to a few friends....BIG mistake. They all hounded us till we did make it avilable. We presently make 2 "flavors" of it...a patch lube and a bullet lube....2 different formulas. We're now working on a lube for BP ctg. Like any other product, I'm sure millage will vary from shooter to shooter, but so far, we've had VERY good reports. Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:33:13 GMT From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) Subject: Shrub--was Re: MtMan-List: Discussions On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:17:07 -0800, you wrote: >Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub! What's in = this stuff >anyway? > >MB Glad you asked. One quart of rum, the juice from 3 oranges and 3 lemons, and the zest of the oranges and lemons. No pulp, and NONE of the white fiber under the zests! Let the elixer percolate overthe zests for 2-3 days, add a pint of water, and sugar to taste. Recipe came from a Virgina almanac back around 1750 via Jerry Young aka Yellowfoot. Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including = "BS". 1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:41:23 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube hawknest4@juno.com wrote: > > fred what kind of lube are you talking about---go offline and give me > some more info--- > > "HAWK" > Michael pierce > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor Florida 34684 > E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Go to to site below and take a look. Best, Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:50:22 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800 Pat Laughlin wrote: > > John, > > I have taught American history for many years, done research for many more. I > have participated in living history events and many personas over that > period. I have always felt that a comfortable group of scholars that can > interact and learn as well as enjoy themselves makes for a more cohesive group > and one that can really get to the source and share information in a fun and > entertaining way. I'm sure that mountainmen and women didn't spend all their > time doing business at their gatherings. Pat, as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net. The default settings for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc. The setting should be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else. Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:49:14 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions The delete button is not the best answer. It would be easy to just delete post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us would like to avoid. The problem is those folks are typically the most vocal and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always documented. It gives us a place to start our own research. If we just "delete" we don't solve the problem. Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of the "chatters." Add an asterisk to the thread line. That way, we'll know there is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter." Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense. If the post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through the list. This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so probably won't be now. Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code to the thread line. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:48:56 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Frank wrote: > . > Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub! What's in this stuff > anyway? > > MB Berry juice, brown sugar and (I think) vinegar. From that humble start it goes down hill depending on what spirituous liquor you add. Capt. Morgan's Spiced Rum will make it a drink fit for Kings. Anything else is just using up what can't be drunk otherwise. I remain....... YMOS Capt. Lahti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:49:19 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gaucher (Left Hand) Arikara Several Indians with the name "Left Hand" or some derivation thereof crop up in fur trade history. "Gauche" is French for "Left." Le Gauche, Gocher, etc. are all attempts at a French rendition of the name. I find only one who was Arikara and the notations are from early in the period, about 1810-20. If you have access to Reuben Thwaites "Early Western Travels" series, check vol 5, 6 and 26. Vol 5 is "Travels in the Interior of America" by naturalist John Bradbury. He traveled up the Missouri with Wilson Price Hunt's Pacific Fur Company overalnd expedition. On June 12, 1811, Bradbury introduced Le Gauche. (page 128-132) Vol 6 is the journal of Henry Brackenridge, also a naturalist. Brackenridge went up the Big Muddy with Manuel Lisa and the Missouri Fur Co. On June 11, 1811, his party meets the Left Handed. (page 111-113) Stephen Long's expedition is in Vol. 14. On April 6, 1820, they meet Naugh- ken-ne or the Left Hand. (page 286) Long describes him as an Omawhaw so this may not be the same person. The fourth Flathead deputation to travel to St. Louis in search of the white man's religion included Pierre the Left-handed (Gaucher). He was an Iroquois, or part Iroquois, who went to live among the Flatheads as a trapper around 1816. There was also Left-handed Gocia, an Indian trapper with Capt. Thing out of Fort Hall in 1835. And there was a southern Arapaho chief named Left Hand, or Niwot, in the 1820-40 period. (Margaret Coel wrote a book about him "Chief Left Hand: Southern Arapaho." University of Oklahoma Press 1981) Perhaps this will get you started. If you want more info or photocopies of the pages above, contact me off-line. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:54:43 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming... sean wrote: How do I keep the ink from getting into other cracks in the horn when I start applying it? > Addison Miller > aka Sean Sean, I always just painted the stuff on once the cuts were made where I wanted them. I would then polish off the extra ink with very fine steel wool and then finish by repolishing the horn to the luster I wanted. Lots of horn makers out there that may do it different. I don't remember having any problems with other "cracks". I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:54:55 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Medicine Bear Wrote: <> MB, Unfortunately, someone DID suggest this fact to me in a private post. And being one of the occasional "chatters", I thought about it for awhile and decided to post my response. There are those out there that do not, under ANY circumstances want anything except the "technically dry, impersonal, humorless list", that I mentioned before. There are a couple on every list. Fortunately, they are far and few in between. That is why I wrote what I did, and I stand by it. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:20:06 -0700 From: Vickie Nielsen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions good comments, however, I would appreciate it if you could send me the address for removing myself from the list. When you you belong to several there just isn't time for all that reading and deleting. Thanks Casapy123@aol.com wrote: > The delete button is not the best answer. It would be easy to just delete > post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us > would like to avoid. The problem is those folks are typically the most vocal > and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always > documented. It gives us a place to start our own research. If we just > "delete" we don't solve the problem. > > Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of the > "chatters." Add an asterisk to the thread line. That way, we'll know there > is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter." > > Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense. If the > post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through > the list. This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so probably > won't be now. Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code to > the thread line. > > Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:39:39 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabiit fur "Matthew Hawley" wrote: >>I don't know about the hat company. but the rabbit fur in moccasins i do. With the on set of winter the indians started making winter clothes so in order to keep warm they wanted fur. now rabbot fur is warm thick and very soft so they would make rabbit lined mocs or blankets or mitts to keep warm.<< In my reading of Canadian fur trade journals, 1774-1821, I've never found any mention of rabbit fur-lined moccasins. Instead, warmer moccasins were made from bison tanned with the hair on, and the hair turned to the inside (like sheepskin slippers). On the other hand, I _have_ found rabbit fur-lined mittens mentioned on two different occasions (if you want the references, just ask). The blankets, of course, were trade blankets, buffalo robes, or blankets woven from strips of rabbit fur. I saw one of these blankets at Old Fort William last summer, and it was heavy and likely very warm. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:08:29 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gaucher (Left Hand) Arikara I think there is a mention of a Left Hand in Garrards' "Wah-to-Yah"...some sort of bad guy chief either arapaho or camanche. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:10:18 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabiit fur Angela, I would like the source on mittens Thanking you in advance Joe Brandl Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:22 EST From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube fred you didn't give any details except that you had worked for two years on it--what is it's base and what makes it so good and easy to load and shoot with---send more info and what do you get for a sample of it---always looking for a better mouse trap---"my grizzley snot" or "ol grizz" is very similar to the old black solve that was sold back in the 60's except that I use burning silica--a disbursing agent for systems to keep oils and other liquids from frothing when areated--it also uses all bio-degradable stuff so that there is no residue in the barrel---I add some alcahol so that it wont freeze in the winter. what makes your lube so good and wonderful--I dont put anything in the barrel of my gun that I dont know what it is and what it will do---will be glad to send you a sample of mine for a sample of yours--- "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:24 EST From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming... On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:29:56 -0500 "sean" writes: > How do I keep the ink from getting into other cracks in the horn when I start applying it? >Addison Miller >aka Sean Addison---I had the same problem for several years and a friend that does a lot of scratching explained to me how to get around it---he explained to me that I wasn't getting the horn smooth enough before i started to scratch on it---you would think that when you buff out the horn it would be smooth enough to scratch on but in reality it isnt--- sand your horn down the same as you normally would going to 600 wet or dry paper--buff the horn using the white ruge then go to the red --the horn is going to seem like it is real slick and smooth--not true---get out your car rubbing compound-- the white or extra fine--rub a small amount in the palm or heal of your hand now sit down and watch television or listen to your favorite tunes and start rubbing only using the palm of your hand--will take a few hrs so dont get in a hurry--take a 5 or 10 power glass and look close at your horn if you can see any marks then you dont have it smooth enough to scratch on---any mark or inperfection will hold the ink---the old whalers that usto scratch on the whales teeth did the same thing-- the palm of your hand is a natural abrasive and will slick it out real well especially with a little extra fine rubbing compound or pumice added---remember---any mark will hold ink---got to be slick and smooth---takes me about two or three nights of watching tv and rubbing to get one to a point that i can scratch on it or have it ready for someone to scratch on---remember quality takes time---dont get in a hurry---and use the glass to look for the marks---you are going to be real suprized when you look at the horn after you have buffed it---marks will still be there---the old palm of the hand will slick it out real well---after you get it scratched to your likeing---get some stuff called "old bones" it is a stain for bone and horn--rub on a light coat and then rub it all off---will give the horn an age patina to it. can also use walnut hulls but it is hard to get off of your hands--- mister powder horn himself---"carl wilborn " at friendship was the one that explained the facts of life to me about horns and how to slick them out. it works for me ---hope i have been of some help to you--- YMHOSANT =+= "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:21 EST From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HORNS On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:50:28 -0600 "larry pendleton" writes: Where can I get really high quality cow >horns? > I am talking about scrimshaw quality with good turns that will make >Golden >Age period powder horns. >Pendleton larry for several yeard have ordered horns from Karl Wilburn 5073 townsley Road cederville, Ohio 45314 Phone # (513-766-5415) all of his horns are of high quality you need to call him and tell him what you want-- all his horns come with turned and fitted maple plugs---BTW he is also the major supplier to dixie and other large suppliers---hell of a nice guy and his daughter does some wonderful scratching on the horns---he also furnishes them in sets for flinters---had black tip and brown tips and aldo thick enough to carve if you wish--he pre-drills the hole in the end and furnishes a turned plug---darn good price also---check him out---I met him at friendship back in the 60's and he aint getting any younger but his horns are something he takes a lot of pride in--- YMHOSANT =+= "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:29:53 -0800 From: Pat Laughlin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800 Thanks Fred, I'm sure that you know that you can send it in both html and plain text at the same. It will arrive in the format that you use. Fred A. Miller wrote: > Pat Laughlin wrote: > > > > John, > > > > I have taught American history for many years, done research for many more. I > > have participated in living history events and many personas over that > > period. I have always felt that a comfortable group of scholars that can > > interact and learn as well as enjoy themselves makes for a more cohesive group > > and one that can really get to the source and share information in a fun and > > entertaining way. I'm sure that mountainmen and women didn't spend all their > > time doing business at their gatherings. > > Pat, as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT > settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net. The default settings > for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc. The setting should > be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else. > > Fred > > -- > "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! > http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:19 -0800 From: Pat Quilter Subject: MtMan-List: Message Protocol Various topics of "netiquette" arise from time to time, and we can all use a refresher. 1. PLEASE use your Subject line. Fred's otherwise helpful hint: << as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net. The default settings for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc. The setting should be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else.>> was posted under the unhelpful auto-subject: <>. Hopefully all Email programs allow you to simply type in an appropriate subject, as I have done on this posting. Using the subject line intelligently would erase at least 80% of the objections posted by those not wishing to follow long threads of banter etc. 2. Fred's reminder about "plain text" caused me to look for the first time in my MS Outlook Format menu, and there WAS a check box for plain text, but only during "Reply". I can't find it during "New Message". I would value comments about the appearance of my postings. 3. Pursuant to this, I use a very minimalist set of formatting rules for Email postings, because I have seen the "hash" made by the command marks for bold face, underscore, new fonts, and other common modes of emphasis used in "richer" text formats. I use only one size and font type throughout the message. I use CAPITALS for emphasis (observing the basic precaution of never typing in all capitals AS IT LOOKS LIKE I'M SHOUTING). Also note how I have spaced these paragraphs with an extra line for easier reading. I assume all readers have noticed that the internet seems to add "hard returns" as the end of each line, which can mess up the appearance of a posting unless you make your Email window wide enough to accept these lines of text without "autoreturns". 4. Reading the objections about long banter threads reminds me that I'm spoiled by having a full-function Email system here at my office. We have Microsoft Outlook (which is no more bloated and unreliable than other MS products) which does have some helpful features. The main one is, my internet Email arrives on my screen just like interoffice Email, and I can arrange my settings so that once I've started to read a long string of new postings, a single click will either close or delete the current message and open the next. This way, I can "delete" my way through a backup of postings as fast as I can skim their contents. Therefore, I am not greatly bothered by the long strings of friendly chat. HOWEVER: I remember the days of having to log onto Compuserve, "you've got mail", having to wait for interminable downloads, and finally being able to read messages. If I was still getting my postings this way, I would be a lot more bothered by numerous, short comments, especially without good Subject lines. 5. So, as long as I keep this in mind, it will be easy to remember the value of using my Subject line, and keeping my comments reasonably pertinent, without completely turning to dust. We have to occasionally THINK about how we use our computer tools. LOOK at those menus once in a while --- they're there to be used. Humbly submitted Patrick Quilter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:06:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Susan Gilbert" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Dennis said: > Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer a >technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be like a >large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and walks >of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke among >themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some things... I agree with Dennis and the others who fell on this side of the discussion. I don't post much as I'm a beginner and don't feel I have much to add, but I read everything that is posted here, as I have much to learn. I enjoy all the serious discussion, but the jokes and nonsense makes me feel like I know you all sorta kinda. It helps us beginners feel we can ask questions of friendly aquaintences, and not a bunch of faceless experts who will make fun of us. I would really miss the occasional "row and ruction" that happens here. It's one of the reasons I hang out here. my 2 pence, Old Hands Sue Gilbert sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:17:44 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions > Dennis said: >> Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer a >>technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be like a >>large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and walks >>of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke among >>themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some things... > I have to add my 2 beaver worth here.... darn it.. I tried to keep quiet... honest I did. Even after 9 years of skinnin, I still feel like a Tenderfoot... done gradiated from Greenhorn... and I thoroughly do enjoy the topics here. Butthe banter and jokes and asides are great too. Its called HUMOR... and we need a little of this in our lives. I own a Real Estate company in southwest Florida, and deal with jerks and idiots constantly. Buckskinnin is our sanity bteaks. My wife is the Director of Marketing. I enjoy the humor and banter here... and after all, if someone doesn't like to read it... there is alwats a DELETE button... I look on this List as an extended family and it truly upsets me to see bickering going on. Now... y'all kiss and make up, and play nice, or I'll tie ya to tha pole in the middle of the camp!!! Addison Miller aka SeanBear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:49:07 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE Where can I get detailed drawings of a rifling machine? Some of us have a wild hair to build our own gun barrels. Might want to sell one someday you can't ever tell. Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:35:44 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: LUBE Does anyone have any hard documentation on what types of gun lube were used during the 18th and 19th century? Also what were their gun cleaning methods? I have seen very little info written on these topics. Apparently it was some thing that was so common no one wrote it down. Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:30:33 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: HORNS Thanks for the info on the horns. Really good quality horns are very hard to find here. Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:39:20 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured? I am planning to buy or build one later on this year. Also were they trade by the British traders as well? Pendleton ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #261 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.