From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #306 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, June 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 306 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:17:24 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - e-mail hoax thanks for the info guys.... sorry about putting that out to the list without first checking the validity. Barney ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 1999 09:13:12 -0700 From: Subject: MtMan-List: Memorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... - ------------=_928167192-4319-1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Good Morning and Good Memorial Day, By the way being Memorial Day 1999, Let's take a look at what our forefather's were up to on the Upper Missouri 1805. ________________________________________________________ Lewis's journal of May 20, 1805, decribes a "handsome river" which the capatins named Sacagawea, or Bird Woman's River. May 20th. The large creek which we passed..we Call Blowing fly Creek, from the emence quantities of those insects which geather on our meat in such nombers that we are obledged to brush them off what we eate. John Ordway. May 30th. Many circumstances indicate our near approach to a country whos climate differs considerably from that in which we have been for many months. [Clark names the Judith River in honor of a young girl back in Virginia he hoped to one day be his wife] The air of the open country is asstonishingly dry as well as pure. I found by several expeeriments that a table spoon of water exposed to the air in a saucer would evaporate in 36 hours...My inkstand so frequently becoming dry put me on this experiment. I also observed the well seasoned case of my sextant shrunk considerably and the joints opened. Meriwether Lewis. May 31st. We passed some very curious cliffs and rocky peaks, in a long range. Some of them 200 feet high and not more than eigth fett thick. They seem as if built by the hand of man, and are so numerous that they appear like the ruins of an acinet city. Patrick Gass. May 31st. In maney places...we observe on either Side of the river extraodanary walls of a black Semented Stone which appear to be regularly placed one Stone on the other..[T]hose walls Commence at the waters edge & in Some places meet at right angles. William Clark. May 31st. The hills and river Cliffs which we passed today exhibit a most romantic appearance...The bluffs of the river rise to the hight of from 2 to 300 feet and in most places nearly perpendicular; they are formed of remarkable white sandstone... The water in the course of time in decending from those hills and plains on either side of the river has trickled down the soft sand clifts and woarn it into a thousand grotesque figures, which with the help of a little immagination...are made to represnt eligant ranges of lofty freestone buildings, having their parapets well stocked with statuary... Meriwether Lewis. ______________________________________ Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now. If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do", if you don't canoe (best way to see it) there are float trips available. Be sure to ask the US Forest Service for use of their "Guide Book" while making the trip, it really adds to the river with history and pictures, like Bodimer's, etc. painted in the early 1800's, and the landscape hasn't changed that much. Believe me you'll remember this water venture for years, period or not take a camera and a note pad - you'll make good use of both. Buck Conner Baker Party/Colorado Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ------------=_928167192-4319-1 Content-Type: text/plain; name="928166818.21362" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="928166818.21362" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
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From: Barry Conner <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:57 AM
Subject: AMM-List: RMemorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805

Bill & Brothers,
I will gather my notes, the Franklin pattern and put together an aarticle for a furture article, this type of unusal item is always fun to look into, like the breeches, air gun and the grenades.
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By the way being Memorial Day 1999, Let take a look at what our forefather's were up to on the Upper Missouri 1805.
 
Lewis's journal of May 20, 1805, decribes a "handsome river" which the capatins named Sacagawea, or Bird Woman's River.
 
May 20th. The large creek which we passed..we Call Blowing fly Creek, from the emence quantities of those insects which geather on our meat in such nombers that we are obledged to brush them off what we eate.           John Ordway.
 
May 30th. Many circumstances indicate our near approach to a country whos climate differs considerably from that in which we have been for many months. [Clark names the Judith River in honor of a young girl back in Virginia he hoped to one day be his wife] The air of the open country is asstonishingly dry as well as pure. I found by several expeeriments that a table spoon of water exposed to the air in a saucer would evaporate in 36 hours...My inkstand so frequently becoming dry put me on this experiment. I also observed the well seasoned case of my sextant shrunk considerably and the joints opened.     Meriwether Lewis.
 
May 31st. We passed some very curious cliffs and rocky peaks, in a long range. Some of them 200 feet high and not more than eigth fett thick. They seem as if built by the hand of man, and are so numerous that they appear like the ruins of an acinet city.    Patrick Gass.
 
May 31st. In maney places...we observe on either Side of the river extraodanary walls of a black Semented Stone which appear to be regularly placed one Stone on the other..[T]hose walls Commence at the waters edge & in Some places meet at right angles.     William Clark.
 
May 31st. The hills and river Cliffs which we passed today exhibit a most romantic appearance...The bluffs of the river rise to the hight of from 2 to 300 feet and in most places nearly perpendicular; they are formed of remarkable white sandstone...
   The water in the course of time in decending from those hills and plains on either side of the river has trickled down the soft sand clifts and woarn it into a thousand grotesque figures, which with the help of a little immagination...are made to represnt eligant ranges of lofty freestone buildings, having their parapets well stocked with statuary...          Meriwether Lewis.
 
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Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now.
 
If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do", if you don't canoe (best way to see it) there are float trips available. Be sure to ask the US Forest Service for use of their "Guide Book" while making the trip, it really adds to the river with history and pictures, like Bodimer's, etc. painted in the early 1800's, and the landscape hasn't changed that much. Believe me you'll remember this water venture for years, period or not take a camera and a note pad - you'll make good use of both.
 
Buck Conner
Baker Party/Colorado

Re: AMM-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:

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From: Bill Cunningham <bcunningham@gwe.net>
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Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: AMM-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500

>yea!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Conner <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
>To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
>Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: AMM-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500
>
>
>>You mentioning grenades, have you ever seen the pattern that Ben Franklin
>>came up with for making the outside shell for a grenade.
>>
>>According to Vern Bigsby (assn. director) at Valley Forge Park & Museum (30
>>years ago), the shell was made of sheet lead using Franklin's hexagon
>>pattern, which is a number of small hexagons folded into a softball size
>>container. They would fill the grenades with powder, broken glass and rusty
>>old nails, seal the hole with wax - the wick sticking out of the wax. They
>>wouldn't try to throw it because it was to heavy, instead they would roll
>it
>>down an incline into a sleeping camp (no documenation as to if they were
>>ever used). They had several at the Museum on display, along with the
>poison
>>rifle balls and some other unusal items that Mr. Franklin dreamed up for
>war
>>fair.
>>
>>I'll dig up the pattern for Bill, along with the information about this
>>unusal grenade for a short filler in T&LR.
>>
>>Later
>>YF&B
>>Buck Conner
>>Baker Party/Colorado
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SWzypher@aol.com <SWzypher@aol.com>
>>To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
>>Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 2:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: AMM-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500
>>>Lanney - there is one of those Civil War grenades in the museum at Stone
>>>Mountain, Georgia - close to Conyers and close to Atlanta.
>>>
>>>--------------------
>>>Aux Ailments de Pays!
- ------------=_928167192-4319-1-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:22:09 +0000 From: Laura Rugel Glise Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Memorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805 Thank you Mr. Conner, I always enjoy your posts and your web site. Laura Glise Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:59:31 +0000 From: Laura Rugel Glise Subject: MtMan-List: Eye wear Would appreciate any suggestions on a vendor for time-period appropriate sunglasses. I have recently been fitted for contacts and I need sunglasses to wear this summer. Thank you in advance. Laura Glise Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:52:11 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Eye wear Laura, One source to try is Ray Glazner (Images Of The Past) at glazner2@aol.com. He has a couple of different styles, and can give you the details. He's in CA right now, headed for his new home in WI the end of the week, so be patient in awaiting a response. Barn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:03:54 PDT From: "Bill Jackson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Memorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805 Aye, thanks for the post. You must have been reading my mind about Memorial Day. I was wondering about the Military men that could have been veterans of America's war. Best regards. Bill Jackson Dayton, Oh. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 1999 15:57:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Memorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805 Thank you for the comments, I try and hit all the Holidays with what was happening with the Corps of Discovery, some of their days aren't that much different than our today. Enjoying each others company and thankful for what they have. Later Buck Conner dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile > On Mon, 31 May 1999, Laura Rugel Glise wrote: > > Thank you Mr. Conner, I always enjoy your posts and your web site. > > Laura Glise > Atlanta Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 1999 16:09:22 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Memorial Day 1999 / look back to 1805 Buck, Just got in and checked the mail, was at my VFW Post after the parade, and we were wondering if you would send mail about L&C and the group. Several of us have saved all your posting for the holidays, we really do enjoy them and wanted to tell you to keep them coming, the 4th of July should be very interesting back then. Thanks for the effort, we seem to forget to let you guys know how much good you do with these interesting posting, plus a funny remark now and then makes it light reading. Turtle PA Colonies __________________ > On Mon, 31 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Good Morning and Good Memorial Day, > > > > By the way being Memorial Day 1999, Let's take a look at what our forefather's were up to on the Upper Missouri 1805. > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Lewis's journal of May 20, 1805, decribes a "handsome river" which the capatins named Sacagawea, or Bird Woman's River. > > > > May 20th. The large creek which we passed..we Call Blowing fly Creek, from the emence quantities of those insects which geather on our meat in such nombers that we are obledged to brush them off what we eate. John Ordway. > > > > May 30th. Many circumstances indicate our near approach to a country whos climate differs considerably from that in which we have been for many months. [Clark names the Judith River in honor of a young girl back in Virginia he hoped to one day be his wife] The air of the open country is asstonishingly dry as well as pure. I found by several expeeriments that a table spoon of water exposed to the air in a saucer would evaporate in 36 hours...My inkstand so frequently becoming dry put me on this experiment. I also observed the well seasoned case of my sextant shrunk considerably and the joints opened. Meriwether Lewis. > > > > May 31st. We passed some very curious cliffs and rocky peaks, in a long range. Some of them 200 feet high and not more than eigth fett thick. They seem as if built by the hand of man, and are so numerous that they appear like the ruins of an acinet city. Patrick Gass. > > > > May 31st. In maney places...we observe on either Side of the river extraodanary walls of a black Semented Stone which appear to be regularly placed one Stone on the other..[T]hose walls Commence at the waters edge & in Some places meet at right angles. William Clark. > > > > May 31st. The hills and river Cliffs which we passed today exhibit a most romantic appearance...The bluffs of the river rise to the hight of from 2 to 300 feet and in most places nearly perpendicular; they are formed of remarkable white sandstone... > > > > The water in the course of time in decending from those hills and plains on either side of the river has trickled down the soft sand clifts and woarn it into a thousand grotesque figures, which with the help of a little immagination...are made to represnt eligant ranges of lofty freestone buildings, having their parapets well stocked with statuary... Meriwether Lewis. > > ______________________________________ > > > > Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now. > > > > If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do", if you don't canoe (best way to see it) there are float trips available. Be sure to ask the US Forest Service for use of their "Guide Book" while making the trip, it really adds to the river with history and pictures, like Bodimer's, etc. painted in the early 1800's, and the landscape hasn't changed that much. Believe me you'll remember this water venture for years, period or not take a camera and a note pad - you'll make good use of both. > > > > Buck Conner > > Baker Party/Colorado > > Aux Ailments de Pays! > > > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:03:22 -0700 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: correct eyeglasses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEABB1.663716C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Rugel Glise Laura and others who might want correct eye wear (originals) try this site. They are pricey, but you get what you pay for. Originals are as close to correct as we will ever get. I bought a pair and they are as represented. There are also some tinted ones http://www.metiques.com/catalog/antiques.html Big John Southwest Ohio jhunt1@one.net - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEABB1.663716C0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Ed Welch's Antiques - Catalog, Maine Antique Dealer Directory.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ed Welch's Antiques - Catalog, Maine Antique Dealer Directory.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.metiques.com/catalog/antiques.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.metiques.com/catalog/antiques.html Modified=8064A6EBEAABBE01C9 - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEABB1.663716C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:37:23 EDT From: WORPACH@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500 Where is the Chadron Museum? I would like to go to a scholarly museum. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:52:51 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500 The Museum of the Fur Trade is in Chadron, in northwestern Nebraska = Try their web page at: http://www.furtrade.org/ Join up....it is the last great bargain in America. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500 > Where is the Chadron Museum? I would like to go to a scholarly = museum. >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:40:38 -0700 From: "landis" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: turtle shells the turtle shells are for a friend doing 16th century period,as I said in my first query. thanks to everyone who has helped with this. Adam - -----Original Message----- From: James A Lindberg To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 7:13 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: turtle shells >Is there any documentation on turtle shells actually being used for >"handbags" and such during the fur trade era? > >Thanks, > >Jim > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 03:25:58 EDT From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: MtMan-List: OT - GOV'T INTERFERENCE IN E-MAIL - THIS IS NO JOKE ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:54:38 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: MtMan-List: Yet another HOAX! RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Internet Subscriber: Please read the following carefully if you intend > to stay online and continue using email: The last few months have revealed an > alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly > push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. Under > proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email > users out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal > Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing > Internet Service > Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. > Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this > legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost > revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in > revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is > nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of > email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an > additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond > their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to > the U.S. Postal > Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the > Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the federal government is > permitted to tamper JUCG4ED0 ~*nZH-d3Pg-$ճxBUUn'g%fR`ŎTn9fm&dmK[> Steve Lodding IS NOT in any way connected to JP Gunstocks. That comment would get you kicked out of the Lodding & McClenehan shop!!! Years ago, Keith McClenehan & Jim Searles were building together, but Keith didn't like the way Jim was doing things -- like attaching the thimbles through the stocks, to the barrels with screws & not pinning the traditional way. Their parting of the ways was probably 15 years ago when Jim started JP, & Keith partnered up with Steve & started Battle Born Enterprises, which about 3 years ago became Lodding & McClenehan. Steve has NEVER been associated with JP except to fix JP's screw ups in the Lodding & McClenehan shop. Unfoutunately, JP is still putting out some pretty sloppy work. For QUALITY work ya gotta deal with Lodding & McClenehan. They'll treat you right -- JP seems to care less once they have their money. I hate to bad rap a local (for me) builder, but JP's quality sucks!!! I've asked Keith why all the problems with JP's products because they use good quality parts & they build a good looking gun. He just shrugs & says "Ya gotta put the parts together right!" After examining several of their guns closely, I see a lot of little things like burred screw heads, touch holes not quite in the right place, hammers not quite aligned properly with frizzens, locks that feel like they're full of gravel -- they seem to be missing the details that made the difference between a gun that functions flawlessly & one that barely works at all. I know of 8 people localy who've purchased guns from JP & they've ALL had problems & wound up taking them to Lodding & McClenehan for repairs that worked. Steve & Keith have had some problems too, but their main problem is they build on such tight tollerances, over tightening a screw will affect the gun's performance. Lodding & McClenehan send an instruftion pamphlet with every gun they build telling the new owners to put the screws back so the slots lign up exactly as they were when they recieved the gun. If this is done, along with the standard proper care & cleaning, they have very little trouble. Let me put it this way -- I'd never buy anything that JP sells, but Steve just started on a rifle for me at the Lodding & McClenehan shop & my wife shoots one of their pistols. Wonder if I show them this I'll get a discount? I doubt it!! There may be some people out there who have had good luck with JP's products -- I certainly hope so, but what I've stated here are my personal opinions of their work from observing their guns on the shooting courses. They look great, but don't usualy function nearly as well as I'd expect for the price. T/C's & CVA's are much more reliable than what JP's been putting out for about the last 5 or 6 years unless you can find a good gunsmith to tune 'em up & correct all the little bugs. Someone wanted the address for Lodding & McClenahan last week or so & I couldn't put my hands on at that moment. It is: Lodding & McClenahan 6510 W El Campo Grande Las Vegas, NV 89130 Phone (702) 656-6085 The last time I was over there, Steve showed me a pair of smooth barrels & a pair of locks. Who knows -- maybe he's thinking of building a double gun??? If he does, you can be sure it'll be a good one! Noticed in the new Dixie catalog -- they carry double gun parts -- breech, barrels, ribs -- didn' notice any stocks or furnature. NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:09:54 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint shotgun "kits" << The last time I was over there, Steve showed me a pair of smooth barrels & a pair of locks. Who knows -- maybe he's thinking of building a double gun??? If he does, you can be sure it'll be a good one! >> thanks NM; guess my IIRC wasn't correctly remembered also, Steve is an incredible scrimshand, too................. Barn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:12:46 +0000 From: Laura Rugel Glise Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500 Glad you asked about the Chadron Museum, and, now that school is out, I can address this issue at 6:30 a.m. EST. I live in Atlanta and first journeyed to the Riverton, Wyoming 1838 Rendezvous reenactment three years ago. I was doing research on a novel, historical fiction, pertaining to the beaver trade. The second time I made the trip to Riverton, I stopped in Chadron. Whoa baby. I had done enough research to know how much More I had to learn. I was overwhelmed, and felt extremely pressured to get all the "details" correct. I went to the museum by myself and spent four hours wandering through the dimly lit halls, peering into each museum case like it was Santa's workshop. It was wonderful. These are just a few of the things I encountered that surprised me: I had no idea what a carrot of tobacco looked like or that dyed cotton plaids from Madras were trade goods or what a Baidarka was (an enlarged kayak) or what a bait box of cherry wood looked like. I didn't know that Miles Standish, New York City, was the most famous American trap maker before the Civil War. I didn't know that some vermillion came from Holland. I didn't know there were wooden egg boxes in the 1830s. I saw double-edged pocket combs made of boxwood, horn and brass. I learned Jim Bridger used an English rifle made by J. J. Henry in Boulton, PA. I saw a red and blue Chief's coat (Hudson's Bay Company) with one sleeve blue with a red cuff and the other sleeve red with a blue cuff, a mirror image, with gold braid down the front panel and buttons down the front. Gorgeous. I saw my first percussion rifle, .46 cal., by M. Dickson of Louisville, KY, and my first Deringer, Armstrong Pattern, .47 cal. I had the opportunity to meet Diane Chambers (Book of Buckskinning III on beadwork) a couple of months ago. She told me that the museum let her camp in their parking lot, and after museum hours, actually go into the museum cases and count the rows of beads and made notes for articles she wanted to reproduce. If you ever needed a reason to go to Nebraska, this is it. Laura Glise Atlanta "Any Friend that is in Need is Welcome to my India Weed." ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jun 1999 14:16:33 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500 For 25 years several of us from a muzzleloading club (The Buckhorn Skinners) from CO would go to the museum before the tourist season and make a second trip after that season. Charley Hanson would line us up with rooms at the Best Western, and we would do 2 1/2 to 3 day periods taking pictures, taking notes or listening to Charley tell us about different items. We never left without dropping up to several hundred dollars (a piece at times) on items that were extras that the museum had for sale. We have given labor when they tore down the Safeway Store in town and gave the blocks to the museum, to helping clean cases or whatever the Hanson's needed. Charley would call a few weeks before we were due to go up and have me buy nails, brass screws or whatever he was in need of and save him the shipping. Below I enclosed a tribute that was in the AMM Journal after Mr. Hanson's passing. A friend to all that met him Friend to all that met him and a personal friend for over 25 years, Charles E. Hanson, Jr. has passed away as of Wednesday the 4th of February, 1998. A native of Nebraska, an engineer, a spokesman, writer, museum director and so on, you just read his tribute, nice words but words are hard to come to mind in trying to explain the feeling one feels for someone like Charles E. Hanson, Jr. He was not only a friend to us all, but someone we looked up to, a man that would help when one needed questions answered and always able to smile even though he was down physically or mentally. I first met Charley in the mid 60s at the Antique Gun Collectors Show at Colfax and Broadway in Denver, CO in the old VFW Hall, he was talking to Jack Lewis, a world known antique gun collector and trader from Ohio. I had known Jack from a few years before, as my father was really into pre Civil War items and had dealings with Mr. Lewis several times. They were discussing a gatling gun at the door into the hall, it was serial number NO. 1 , in new condition and just a beauty per Charley. He stroked that gun like it was one of his kids, Jack introduced me to Mr. Hanson and that was the being of a long friendship. Over the years as time would allow with work and home life, I would call and have Charley make a reservation for a few nights at a friends motel then slip away to Chadron and walk back into a different time zone. The Fur Trade was alive and well at Charley and Maries house, sometimes a few friends would tag along or my Dad, sometimes I would make the trip from Denver alone. Either way the closer I got the faster I would drive, wanting as much time as possible to spend freezing my feet in mid winter looking at the many items on display, really didnt matter which case we were viewing, just being there was the best part. Charley would come out of the office and ask us to come in and get warm, no heat in the building other than his office when the museum was closed to the public. We would sit around him and ask questions and he would disappear for a moment then return with a book for reference and we would discuss the subject for hours. Then as our voices got softer with lack of moisture, Marie would appear from no wear, carrying a coffee pot, cups and home made pumpkin bread, or pumpkin cookies, or pumpkin rolls or pumpkin ............. whatever. She would tell us each time that this happened, that living in this country, the only thing she could grow was pumpkins and more pumpkins. Marie could make anything one can think of with pumpkin Charley would say as we all agreed, and damn good too. We knew she was having fun with us, we had been there enough to see the period garden and other projects these two had tried in that ground. Over the years I have called on Charley for information on articles that I would be writing or to get his opinion on how to make something, or the availability of an item for such and such or a place and time. He was always there with an answer and if he did not know, would do a little digging in his wonderful library and send you the information. He provided this type of service for thousands of students of the fur trade over the years, and half the time never even got a thank you. We used to tell him to charge for his knowledge or his resources, he would just laugh and say something like I enjoy helping or I dont want to turn anyone away. The cost of postage alone would make most people stop the service, but Charley and Marie would just keep going ahead with doing their thing and never complain. In the 70s when the Wounded Knee problem started to the north of Chadron, word got out after several of the kids from the reservation took items from their museum and sold them for booze on the west coast. They were going to come down to the Museum of the Fur Trade and do the same thing, the town folks got ready to defend the Museum until the National Guard got the OK to get involved. I was up at the Museum the next week, back in the library with Charley. Down one aisle was an old 92 Winchester leaning against the shelves, Charley remarked it was loaded as were several others within the building. He was ready to handle what needed to be done, if needed. I bet those kids would have had more than wounded knees if they came into Charlies place and started trouble, that old boy would have filled their shorts with some hot lead from one of those old 44/40s. Seems everytime we were at Charley and Maries, they would have a fur trade story or two to tell us, their research never ended and some of the funny stories are priceless that they could tell, I will give you a few examples. A Count or Duke that came over from Europe to hunt in the New World, he had as the first thing on his schedule, hire a guide, experienced in the wilderness and able to handle a party of gentlemen on a hunt, a person was found and a deal was made. In the arrangement the guide was to receive a trade gun for part of his payment, the agreement was completed and the local got his smoothbore. Before leaving the guide had a sight-in for his employers and a chance to try his new gun. To make the story short, he finds his trade gun does not shoot to point of aim, removes the barrel wraps it in a blanket and puts one end in the crouch of a tree and leans on it a touch. He then assembles his gun, while his employers watch in disbelief, this is repeated several times until it shoots to his satisfaction. Near the end of the hunting trip the guide has out shot his employers and one gentlemen tries to trade the guide out of the smoothbore. Another story told of a English trader, who would make his rounds to different Indian villages on the Canadian border near Montreal and down to Rochester, N.Y, visiting each settlement about every other year as a normal practice. One of his trade items, guns, along with the usual other trade goods, picked up from sources in Canada. As time pasted on, replacement arms were always needed, missions where being set up and Indians were being taught to read and more trade was going on with others in the area. On one of his visits to a village he found that only a few guns were needed and the trade went poorly, upon looking around he discovered a young Indian was reading a paper on the repairs of a lock and had the needed parts for the repair in a small kit supplied by another trader. Up to this point selling arms was considered not dangerous, because they would break and be thrown away, but now with the knowledge to repair them, there is danger with the natives having arms. God what have we done, created demons, was this gentlemens first remark about his find.. The stories that friends of these two could tell would fill this issue and several others, may God take care of Marie, we know hes already looking out for Charley and like mentioned before. If you close your eyes and let your mind wonder, you too may see what many can invision, a camp fire with figures sitting around, a closer look at this scene the faces become clearer and right in the middle sits Charley asking questions, taking notes and living on every word of passed adventures as names of men and their deeds come together. God Bless both of you. Waugh Buck Conner AMM Baker Party,/CO ________________________________________________ > On Mon, 31 May 1999, Laura Rugel Glise wrote: > > Glad you asked about the Chadron Museum, and, now that school is out, I > can address this issue at 6:30 a.m. EST. > > I live in Atlanta and first journeyed to the Riverton, Wyoming 1838 > Rendezvous reenactment three years ago. I was doing research on a > novel, historical fiction, pertaining to the beaver trade. The second > time I made the trip to Riverton, I stopped in Chadron. Whoa baby. > > I had done enough research to know how much More I had to learn. I was > overwhelmed, and felt extremely pressured to get all the "details" > correct. I went to the museum by myself and spent four hours wandering > through the dimly lit halls, peering into each museum case like it was > Santa's workshop. It was wonderful. These are just a few of the things > I encountered that surprised me: > > I had no idea what a carrot of tobacco looked like or > that dyed cotton plaids from Madras were trade goods or > what a Baidarka was (an enlarged kayak) or > what a bait box of cherry wood looked like. > > I didn't know that Miles Standish, New York City, was the most famous > American trap maker before the Civil War. I didn't know that some > vermillion came from Holland. I didn't know there were wooden egg boxes > in the 1830s. > > I saw double-edged pocket combs made of boxwood, horn and brass. I > learned Jim Bridger used an English rifle made by J. J. Henry in > Boulton, PA. I saw a red and blue Chief's coat (Hudson's Bay Company) > with one sleeve blue with a red cuff and the other sleeve red with a > blue cuff, a mirror image, with gold braid down the front panel and > buttons down the front. Gorgeous. I saw my first percussion rifle, .46 > cal., by M. Dickson of Louisville, KY, and my first Deringer, Armstrong > Pattern, .47 cal. > > I had the opportunity to meet Diane Chambers (Book of Buckskinning III > on beadwork) a couple of months ago. She told me that the museum let > her camp in their parking lot, and after museum hours, actually go into > the museum cases and count the rows of beads and made notes for articles > she wanted to reproduce. > > If you ever needed a reason to go to Nebraska, this is it. > > Laura Glise > Atlanta > > "Any Friend that is in Need is Welcome to my India Weed." Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #306 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.