From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #347 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, August 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 347 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Glue stick -       MtMan-List: (no subject) -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       MtMan-List: Oatmeal -       Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) -- Oat rolls -       Re: MtMan-List: shooting bag -       MtMan-List: Fw: -       MtMan-List: moose milk -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       Re: MtMan-List: moose milk -       MtMan-List: buffalo dung in tobacco -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       MtMan-List: REMOVE -       Re: MtMan-List: moose milk -       MtMan-List: Was moosemilk now cleaning solution -       Re: MtMan-List: moose milk -       Re: MtMan-List: Oatmeal -       MtMan-List: nuff said -       MtMan-List: gun document "off topic" -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? -       MtMan-List: Gun Cover -       Re: MtMan-List: Reworked Raphine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:55:03 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glue stick Bill, The recipe was published in the 1820's the ingredients were available lon= g before that. Earlier life experience and/or apprenticeship would likely = have caused one to carry the items he knew best how to work with. Each probab= ly had a few personal indispensables. In learning a trade they learned to use t= he tools of that trade to maximum benefit. A lot of trades knew a lot about= the uses and the formulation of many & various glues to specific purpose. On= e purpose is often good for another, many trades had similar formulations o= f varying names. It certainly could have been used by trappers to stick together all those little things that need sticking together. Repair of a stock before rawh= ide bandage, binding sinew into cord, holding leather together for stitching, sealing whatever. I can think of a lot of uses for someone who's only ho= me is the fire they're sitting at. Did everybody carry it? Probably not. Did some one carry some form of portable glue? Just as likely. How prevalent? Who knows? I've seen se= veral receipts over the years in relation to differing trades. Oxblood is a prime ingredient in coppersmith and other glue formulae. If= you happen to have any dead animal you have glue of several types available.=20 Simple to make around a campfire. What kind of glue would have been comm= on to your personae and whole life experience? That would be the one you'd be = most likely to work with. In the early nineteenth century folks knew a lot mo= re about making the things that eased & comforted their lives from the resou= rces available. They only spent real gold money, fur or metal, when there wa= s no other option. Its easy to spend funny money on foofaraw you don't really need. That's why we now only have funny money. The advantage of a mouth glue over just repackaging plain hide glue; is y= ou can wet it with saliva and use without having to bring it to the hotter temperature. =20 If you are making glue blocks by pouring out on tin it would be better to= coat the tin with beeswax rather than oil for less risk of spoiling the glue. I have other recipes for mouth/portable/& several other appellations for = glue; made usable without heating. I'm sort of keeping my eye out for where th= ey are. I'll let you know when I find where I put them. It's a matter as t= o which of the many and varied piles. Liquid hide glue is fairly easy to m= ake.=20 Franklin has eliminated the traditional, strong vinegar, aroma in their commercial offering. begin rant_________ Ain't got time to dig for recipes right now I'm rearranging a couple of hundred tons of dirt and rocks in the gully out back into a creek I hope will hel= p control erosion. Erosion has increased because the neighbors have lawns = not woods like the area was up till 30 or so years ago. Lawns are an abomination.=20 A complete waste of resources to grow what should at least be a food crop= for some critter on the planet. Instead fossil fuels, burned in stinky expen= sive machines, are wasted chopping it down. In the burbs people actually pay = money for a chemical company to come by with a tanker truck and hose down the p= lace, regularly, -- with a witch's brew of noxious and deadly chemicals. We ar= e a decadent society. Our forefathers would be appalled at our wastrel ways.= =20 Flowers and trees are beautiful, lawns are not. Fields of tall grass mak= e fine fodder for a mule that provides free non-toxic fertilizer to grow more. Zoning laws frown on mules here so I grow trees. Dad used to raise hogs in that= back holler. end rant______ If you are making up any glue which could conceivably stay in a possibles= sack for years it wouldn't hurt to add a little preservative. While the glue = is cooking float a bark-on-stick or two of willow in the glue. It helps kee= p the glue fresh over long storage. =20 If anyone is really interested I may have found a source for isinglass. =20 As to Lanney's ex-wife's cooking; perhaps her gravy could improve the biscuits modernist woodworkers are so fond of. Nothing else seems to. John... At 02:10 PM 8/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >John > >you lost me on all of the ingredients ? > >is this a fur trade item? > >would it or could it have been used by the trappers? > >your recipe looks good but is it something I would use in the field? > > > >I make hide glue sticks, much the same way as outlined in the original p= ost, >just dip a stick in warm glue, cool and redip.. I have never had a need for it >but they make interesting trinkets to give away ! > >Another method is to just pour warm glue on a piece of tin (with a light= oil >wiped on it) let cool and wrap up put in bag. > >Bill Klesinger >________________________________________________________________________= _ >Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade and early history of th= e >times, the one the American Mountain Men >read and write: > >The Tomahawk & Long Rifle >3483 Squires >Conklin, MI=A0 49403 >ATTN: Jon Link > >The subscription for the journal is $20 for a year or $35 for two years.= Give >it a try, you'll blow that much in a couple of stops at 7-11 for junk fo= od. >________________________________________________________ > >John Kramer wrote: > >> An 1820's receipt. >> _______________________________________ >> "TO MAKE PORTABLE GLUE >> >> Take 1 lb of the best glue, boil and strain it very clear; boil likewi= se 4 >> oz. of isinglass, put it in a double glue-pot, with =BD lb. of fine br= own >> sugar, and boil it pretty thick; then pour it into moulds; when cold, = cut >> and dry them in small pieces.=A0 This glue is very useful to draughtsm= en, >> architects, etc., as it immediately dilutes in warm water, and fastens= the >> paper without the process of damping." >> ___________________________________________ >> >> This could also be called mouth glue.=A0=A0 Will fasten more than pape= r. >> >> John... >> >> At 07:48 PM 8/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >I took a 1/4" stick and dipped it in warm hide glue then lightly dust= ed >> >with powdered charcoal.=A0 Then I dipped it again and powdered again = and >> >so on and so on etc...etc.. >> >letting it dry partially after about 10 or so dippings.=A0 Build up a >> >large ball of the mixture so it looks like a mutated Q-tip.=A0 Let dr= y >> >completely.=A0 A large amount of shrinkage will occur.=A0 The charcoa= l adds >> >some tooth to the glue for adhesion.=A0 Simply place the glue stick i= n a >> >very small amount of warm water to reconstitute and use for minor glu= e >> >repairs. >> > >> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >> John Kramer=A0 >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:19:23 -0500 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject) The rice thread leads to another.....rolled oats, crushed oats or ground oats, and oatmeal....How was it made..the rolled kind....I have a very old set of 'rolls' that mesh like five tooth gears and have almost zero clearance. I thought they were for crushing cane sorghum, but they are too close for even that. They were fitted with a hopper, and sit on rails, like over a barrel or bag. Date from just after Civil War...Found in Tennessee. Now, the Scottish were big on oats in the Carolina highlands, are these oat rolls?? Did the fur trade use 'oat' meal? Buck???????? Mike Rock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Chance Tiffie wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what the average number of beaver pelts taken > during the fall and spring hunts was, per trapper. What was considered a > poor year, and what was considered a good year? Was there a quota, that > company men were expected to meet? Any and all responses appreciated. Peter Skene Ogden's 1825-26 expedtion. The party appears to number about 20 more men than Ross's 1823 expedition, or about 70 men, around 50 women, and Lord knows how many kids. The party also traded for beaver as they went, including the payment of some debts owed by former company men (read deserters), that they encountered along the way. Take was 2740 large beaver, 837 small beaver, 114 large Otter, 9 small Otter, 3 Misquash (whaterever the heck that is), and 12 Beaver coats (?) The calculator sez that a total of 3577 beaver were taken. Here, it gets shaky since we don't know who was doing what in the party... If we assume that about the same ratio of men trapped in this party as in Ross's party (about 36%), then that means that about 25 trappers took 3577 beaver. That makes about 143 beaver per man... or about 1.2 beaver per day per man if we assume the four month season. Thar' a lot of assumptions in there mind you. References: My notes say this came from the Oregon Historical Society Quarterly, Vol X.. that would be in the 1930's or so. Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:59:14 -0500 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: Oatmeal On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to 'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference, or how, holler, please! Mike Rock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:17:49 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) -- Oat rolls In a message dated 99-08-06 22:14:35 EDT, you write: << They were fitted with a hopper, and sit on rails, like over a barrel or bag. Date from just after Civil War...Found in Tennessee. >> Sounds like a good description of the rolls Grandad had. Pour the oats in the hopper, turn the crank & the rolled oats came out the bottom. We used to do this on a day with a light wind so the hulls would blow off to the side of the catch basket. The rolls were set up at about 3' off the ground & the catch basket was placed on the ground underneath leaving about 30" between for the wind to blow out the "chaff". We lost a small portion of the oats with the chaff, but that was better than hulls in the oats. The chickens appreciated oat rolling day, so the oats that missed the basket weren't wasted. Grandad also had a "burr mill" we used to grind our own "cream of wheat", corn meal & grits. He used an old steel wheel 4 wheel drive Massy Harris tractor from back in the '30's to power the mill -- IF he could get it started! That tractor was a real piece of work! It was designed to pull the origional M/H "combine". It was set up for remote controls so it could be opertated from the combine platform -- remote steering, clutch, throttle, & gear shifts. Wonder whatever happened to that old tractor. NM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:23:37 -0400 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooting bag And if you locate said maker of handforged bullet molds, please post it. Tom larry pendleton wrote: > Louis, > I didn't mention a cow's knee, but if I'm going out for an extended time, > I also carry one. > As far as bullet molds, the quality of Rapine's can vary quite a bit. A > friend of mine who is a dealer, bought a large number of them and some were > perfect and some were pretty bad. Actually I have had better luck with the > brass molds that Dixie sells. I am looking for someone who builds > handforged bullet molds at a fairly reasonable price. Come to think of it , > it wouldn't have to be real reasonable. > Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:30:38 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Jones To: larry pendleton Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Need Info >I am not able to connect to the History List for some reason. > >Would you kindly post the following for me. > >Paul Jones has a substantial collection of buckskinning magazines for sale >to the highest bidder(s) You can make an offer on some or all of what he >has. He has THE BUCKSKIN REPORT (June 77 through 86--when it "went under"), >MUZZLELOADER (84 through 97). Not all the issues, but most. He also has >some 1980's issues of THE BACKWOODSMAN and a number of the early issues of >THE TOMAHAWK & LONGRIFLE available. If interested, contact him at >pwjones@excelonline.com and he will send you a complete listing as to >whatever you may be interested in obtaining. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:25:41 -0700 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: moose milk Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place that has machine shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end mills. Most factorys, or machine shops have some. It`s the white liquid used to cool and lube the machines as they cut, drill, grind ect. It is an oil that is water solible, will mix with water. My employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You will be surprised how long a qt. will last you. Also ask for the mixing ratio for water to oil. Keep a close friendship with the machanics or maintance people you work with. a deer steak or two will get lots of usful things John (BIG JOHN) Hunt Longhunter Mountainman southwest Ohio - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 2:44 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Pistol > I found Moose Milk at a sutler by the name of Otter, out of Oregon IIRC. I > think he does do Friendship, so that mighta been him. Some guys on the list > will freak when I mention this BUT... Macs Radiator Lube as recommended by > someone else on the list last year DOES work great. Lotsa shots between > swabs, and a perfectly clean barrel after a swab with the stuff and a water > rinse. Its milky white, and sure looks like Moose Milk to me. Barn. > > "It's too bad youth is wasted on the young" > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:49:18 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? 24 wifes? All of mixed blood or indain, some have said on this list? Seems doutful. TrapRJoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:52:20 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? "Beaver coats" is a term still used today. It refers to a really large beaver. TrapRJoe ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 1999 11:10:14 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has been mentioned, "Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this list at times)produced a product called "Powderhawk"s Pride" that was from the original recipe of Don Davis when he was shooting and winning everything at Friendship in the '50's. Curly G. and Charley H. got the recipe from Don. Hawk and several of us where at the Museum of the Fur Trade, helping with some project Charley had, and he gave the recipe to Hawk to reproduce. If Hawk is listing lets hear how far off these ideas are. .................................. > Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place > that has machine shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end > mills. Most factorys, or machine shops have some. My > employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You > will be surprised how long a qt. will last you. .................................. > Macs Radiator Lube as recommended > by someone else on the list last year DOES work great. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ _____________________________________ NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade and early history of the times. AMM journal The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year - quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:30:14 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo dung in tobacco A while back there was discussion on what was added to tobacco. I finally had some time to look in some books of mine. George Catlin, noted, "the use of finely pulverized buffalo dung, used by all Indian Epicures in smoking, to facilitate the lighting of the pipe. The Indians, who have now lucifer matches, generally light their pipes with flint and steel; and the pipe being charged with k'nick-k'neck, a small quantity of the buffalo dung is placed on top, which like tinder, catches the spark an comunicates it rapidly to the k'nick-k'neck, and as they all contend, gives to the fumes an agreeable flavour." Indian art in pipestone, by John Ewers I have seen several examples of using a circle of buffalo dung for an altar for pipe. some are wrapped in intestine and rubbed with red ochre or vermillion. Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery check out our NEW WEB SITE: http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:08:12 PDT From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? Lee, Thanks for you great response!! I have done some calculating of my own over the last few months, and had set the numbers at 80 per man for a poor season and 120 per man for an exceptional season. Of course most of my information was based on the later years of the rendezvous era of the fur trade. As furs were trapped more often than they were traded for, and beaver became more scarce, the take was reduced. Whether or not these numbers are accurate, I have no way of knowing, but the information you posted helps. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:51:55 -0400 From: Fred A. Miller Subject: MtMan-List: REMOVE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:57:09 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk Buck, The formula we use for moose milk is as follows : 1 qt. 409 household cleaner 6 to 12 ounces of water soluable oil I cup household amonia [ optional, I don't like to use it. ] Pour the above ingredients in a clean plastic jug and finish filling it with water. [ You'll need to only partially fill with water and then shake it to dissolve the water soluable oil. Then finish filling with water. ] If you're going to use a solvent this is a pretty good one. Without the amonia it's about as mild as you can get. I personally prefer to use just plain water to clean my gun as our forefathers did. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk >The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has been mentioned, "Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this list at times)produced a product called "Powderhawk"s Pride" that was from the original recipe of Don Davis when he was shooting and winning everything at Friendship in the '50's. Curly G. and Charley H. got the recipe from Don. > >Hawk and several of us where at the Museum of the Fur Trade, helping with some project Charley had, and he gave the recipe to Hawk to reproduce. > >If Hawk is listing lets hear how far off these ideas are. > >.................................. >> Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place >> that has machine shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end > mills. Most factorys, or machine shops have some. My >> employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You >> will be surprised how long a qt. will last you. >.................................. > >> Macs Radiator Lube as recommended >> by someone else on the list last year DOES work great. > >Later, >Buck Conner >dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. >http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ >_____________________________________ >NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade >and early history of the times. AMM journal > >The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * >Conklin, MI 49403 >ATTN: Jon Link > >The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year - >quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. >_____________________________________ > > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:37:03 -0700 From: "Munroe Crutchley" Subject: MtMan-List: Was moosemilk now cleaning solution > If you're going to use a solvent this is a pretty good one. Without the > amonia it's about as mild as you can get. I personally prefer to use just > plain water to clean my gun as our forefathers did. I mix: 1/3 Murphy's oil soap 1/3 glass plus (ammonia-free window cleaner) 1/3 water This is a great black powder solvent and is truly friendly to steel. I tested it by putting an 8-penny nail in the mixture for a week, and there was no sign of corrosion at all. I put other nails in each separate ingredient of the mixture for the same length of time. The nails that were placed in the water and the glass plus were both corroded badly. The Murphy's oil soap must be the protecting agent in this mixture because the nail that was placed in it was also free of corrosion. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:39:02 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk > On Sat, 07 August 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has > been mentioned, "Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this > list at times)produced a product called "Powderhawk"s Pride" > that was like the original recipe of Don Davis when he was > shooting and winning everything at Friendship............ Buck, I think the patch lube/cleaner that Hawk made "Powerhawks Pride" was a little different than the original "Moose Milk". It seemed to let you get more shots between cleaning because it self cleaned with each shot. I still have a little left from the Gun Shop in Ft.Collins, I think they we're telling customers it was the same as Davis' "Moose Milk" ! Keep your weapon clean. Turtle. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:46:19 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oatmeal > On Fri, 06 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote: > On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to >'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference, > or how, holler, please! > > Mike Rock Mike, I called Buck's house this morning, his wife said he got called into work, so I grabbed what was on his web site under: CEREALS AND MEALS blue corn meal, blended meal, barley grits, rye-rolled, corn grits, oats-rolled, oats-steel cut, wheat-coarse, corn meal, millet meal. Nothing shown for oat meal, but does show oats-rolled, oats-steel, I'll try him later to night. Turtle. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:13:01 -0700 From: mkDragon Subject: MtMan-List: nuff said > > Darwin Awards > The Darwin nominees are in again. (This is the award bestowed upon > the > people who have helpfully removed themselves from the gene pool by their own efforts. > NOMINEE No. 6: [The Indianapolis Star]: A cigarette lighter may have > trig- > gered a fatal explosion. A Jay County man, using a lighter to check > the > barrel of a muzzleloader, was killed when the weapon discharged in > his > face. > Sheriff investigators said Gregory David Pryor died in his parents' > rural Dunkirk home while cleaning a 54-caliber muzzleloader that had > not > been firing properly. He was using the lighter to look into the > barrel > when the > gunpowder ignited. Butch - -- Sometimes the need to mess with their heads outweighs the millstone of humiliation. -Fox Mulder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:28 -0700 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: gun document "off topic" Fellow list members; The recent burglary of a coworkers home in which several guns were stolen prompted me to make a document of information about my guns. He didn`t have serial numbers or good identification on his stolen guns. They are probably unrecoverable. This document is intended for the owners information. Upon a theft it could be given to law enforcement officials, along with a picture stapled to it for hopeful recovery. If people are interested in it I could send as an attachment and you can print as many copies as are needed. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt Longhunter Mountainman southwest Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:04:38 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? A correction from my response earlier. A coat beaver was not a very large beaver, they are referred to as blankets. A coat is fur that is less than prime. Sorry I gave the bad infro. Getting older I guess. TrapRJoe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:45:11 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver?? Trap'r, Welcome to the ranks of those of us ENTITLED to have a 'Senior Moment' every now and then Barney Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:16:55 -0400 From: Tom Roberts Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Cover After searching the E-mail archives, my meager library, and a few other sources and coming up empty, I pose this question: Is there any correct style, construction, color, etc for a gun cover made from a wool blanket, or is this something that has too many possible variations to be wrong. I suspect there are probably no originals around to see. Any ideas or thoughts before I put the knife to this old moth-eaten dirty red blanket? Thanx, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reworked Raphine Dennis, Don't know if you would want to sell it, but I have been looking for a good .600 Raphine. If not, maybe I could locate a .570 to trade you. Either e-mail me or call me at home at (805) 581-4717. Thanks, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 ________________________________________________________________________________ > BTW. I have a nice reworked .600 Rapine that I want to trade for a .570.. Can't hardly beat them damned .600's in the rifle-gun.....Right tight fit though... >D > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #347 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.