From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #357 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 357 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: King's Mountain -       MtMan-List: King's Mountain -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       [none] -       MtMan-List: Lice -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       MtMan-List: Jim Bridger's Hawken rifle -       MtMan-List: Brief Comments -       Re: MtMan-List: Games -       Re: MtMan-List: Lice -       MtMan-List: Peter Ogden/Klamath Mts -       MtMan-List: Peter Ogden/Klamath Mts -       Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! -       MtMan-List: Re: Spurs -       MtMan-List: Guidelines & Standards -       MtMan-List: Spurs -       MtMan-List: Fwd: www.stickstone.com -       MtMan-List: Isinglass (was glue stick) -       MtMan-List: Clay pipes -       Re: MtMan-List: Brief Comments ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:53:38 -0400 From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" Subject: MtMan-List: King's Mountain Anybody going to the King's Mountain rondy next month in South Carolina? - -Possum Hunter: One who hunts possums with a Hawken and a big ole dawg named Sambo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:53:38 -0400 From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" Subject: MtMan-List: King's Mountain Anybody going to the King's Mountain rondy next month in South Carolina? - -Possum Hunter: One who hunts possums with a Hawken and a big ole dawg named Sambo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:07:38 -0500 From: Jerry Williams Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Hello the list. I've been reading but not getting into too many of the discussions. Okay Larry, so I'll ask a question. We have a Rendezvous in January. What are some of the games that you have seen for the children? Give me some off the wall contests for the men and / or the women. Jerry larry pendleton wrote: > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > start something. > Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:03:11 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Good idea, Larry............ OK horse folk, I need some info. 1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east .........what design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical English stuff.....what? 2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? Give me all you've got.... John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists ; amm lists Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > start something. > Pendleton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:03:11 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Good idea, Larry............ OK horse folk, I need some info. 1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east .........what design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical English stuff.....what? 2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? Give me all you've got.... John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists ; amm lists Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > start something. > Pendleton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:07:38 -0500 From: Jerry Williams Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Hello the list. I've been reading but not getting into too many of the discussions. Okay Larry, so I'll ask a question. We have a Rendezvous in January. What are some of the games that you have seen for the children? Give me some off the wall contests for the men and / or the women. Jerry larry pendleton wrote: > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > start something. > Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:15:57 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Hey Jerry, If you are in the Northern climes, a favorite is "Go get some more wood, the fire looks sick".. Dennis Jerry Williams wrote: > Hello the list. I've been reading but not getting into too many of the > discussions. Okay Larry, so I'll ask a question. We have a Rendezvous in > January. What are some of the games that you have seen for the children? Give > me some off the wall contests for the men and / or the women. > > Jerry > > larry pendleton wrote: > > > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > > start something. > > Pendleton - -- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:52:42 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Jerry, I'll have to think about the kids games. The wildest thing I've seen for the adults is a game they play with a pineapple. I can't remember the name of it, but you set a pineapple off at some distance with all the contestants behind a line. The object of the game is the first one to go get the pineapple and get it back a cross the line wins, anything goes. Seldom does one get back with a whole pineapple. No matter. The winner is the first one to cross the line with a piece of the pineapple. Gayle Harris has a book of 18th century games. As soon as she gets back from South Dakota, I'll see if I can borrow it or just buy a copy for you guys. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Williams To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Cc: mountain lists ; amm lists Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:13 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! >Hello the list. I've been reading but not getting into too many of the >discussions. Okay Larry, so I'll ask a question. We have a Rendezvous in >January. What are some of the games that you have seen for the children? Give >me some off the wall contests for the men and / or the women. > >Jerry > >larry pendleton wrote: > >> Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here >> way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to >> start something. >> Pendleton > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:59:35 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! John, I'm not a horseback type person, [ I figure them critters come in this world looking for a way out ] but I once read that spurs were sold at the rendezvous. They were on cards like dimestore stuff, and they were not sold in pairs. Can't remember where I read that so don't take it to the bank just yet. Others will have more info than I do. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: John C. Funk, Jr. To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; mountain lists ; amm lists Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! >Good idea, Larry............ >OK horse folk, I need some info. >1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We >know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and >therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east .........what >design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical English >stuff.....what? >2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, >possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? > Give me all you've got.... >John Funk > >----- Original Message ----- >From: larry pendleton >To: mountain lists ; amm lists > >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > >> Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here >> way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to >> start something. >> Pendleton >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:56:08 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Larry, We played that at a doins a couple a years ago. Only we used a greased, sand filled bladder...Anything went....First across the line won a jug of whiskey.. Did it in teams of two with legs tied togeter (not all 4, just two) and it was a ball.. Had some injuries, bruised (read cracked) ribs, a black eye or three and other various bumps.. But it was a time.. And all shared the jug anyway... D larry pendleton wrote:-- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:53:59 -0500 From: Jerry Williams Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Sounds like a winner to me. I wouldn't mind purchasing the book if I knew where to get it. This is the first time I've been on the list that I can remember. I have read lots of interesting things on here, that's for sure. Would you be interested in putting on some type of rifle or pistol match at Frozen Foot 2000?? larry pendleton wrote: > Jerry, > I'll have to think about the kids games. The wildest thing I've seen for > the adults is a game they play with a pineapple. I can't remember the name > of it, but you set a pineapple off at some distance with all the contestants > behind a line. The object of the game is the first one to go get the > pineapple and get it back a cross the line wins, anything goes. Seldom does > one get back with a whole pineapple. No matter. The winner is the first one > to cross the line with a piece of the pineapple. Gayle Harris has a book of > 18th century games. As soon as she gets back from South Dakota, I'll see if > I can borrow it or just buy a copy for you guys. > Pendleton > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Williams > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Cc: mountain lists ; amm lists > > Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > >Hello the list. I've been reading but not getting into too many of the > >discussions. Okay Larry, so I'll ask a question. We have a Rendezvous in > >January. What are some of the games that you have seen for the children? > Give > >me some off the wall contests for the men and / or the women. > > > >Jerry > > > >larry pendleton wrote: > > > >> Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > >> way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have > to > >> start something. > >> Pendleton > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:27:05 -0700 From: "no@gpcom.net" Subject: MtMan-List: Lice Heres a question for the List . What did the Trapers, Mountain man or explores do to get rid of Head Lice? Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:49:57 -0500 From: bvannoy Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! John, Mexican Borderland spurs were of generaly two types. The a la jineta spur aka the Moorish gaff spur was mainly used by light calvary troops in the 15th and 16th centuries. This spur was characterized by it's prong or knob at the end. No rowell. It was worn low on the heel, extended below the stirrup, and was tied in place with leather bands or ribbons. A variation of this spur is noted in A.J.Miller's painting "The Trapper's Bride". The other basic spur is the a la brida spur marked by the rowell and sometimes very ornate. The classic sweeping shank and 6 to 8 pointed rowell is found in Mexican collections . Again these spurs date back to the 15th and 16th centuries. These were used more by the spanish knights for heavy horse work. A la brida spurs are considered the forerunner of todays modern western spurs. Many of the Spanish missions in Texas and New Mexico had blacksmiths on hand to make items such as spurs. The larger Missions had full time residents while the smaller ones would ask the smith to " come around" or they would take their work to him. It's logical to assume( all of us know what happens)that a competent brigade smith could fashion spurs as need be. More likely though is the purchase of spurs at Rendezvous. And yes, spurs were sold singly. You were a rich man if you could afford two spurs in the Borderlands! Source: Southwestern Colonial Ironwork By Marc Simmons & Frank Turley Museum of New Mexico press 1980 Bill"Chases Hawks"Vannoy "John C. Funk, Jr." wrote: > Good idea, Larry............ > OK horse folk, I need some info. > 1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We > know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and > therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east .........what > design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical English > stuff.....what? > 2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, > possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? > Give me all you've got.... > John Funk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: larry pendleton > To: mountain lists ; amm lists > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > > start something. > > Pendleton > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:52 -0700 From: "Munroe Crutchley" Subject: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger's Hawken rifle Sometime in the 1960's, an issue of Muzzle Blasts ran an article entitled, "Jim Bridger's Rifle". It featured photos and a detailed description of a Hawken rifle that had been carried by Jim Bridger. It seems to me that the article stated the rifle was on display somewhere in Montana. Does anyone know where this Hawken might be located? I no longer have the issue of MB nor even remember what was on the cover. Incidentally, this is NOT the Bridger rifle that is located in the Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale,WY. This is a typical, plain, iron mounted Hawken half-stock rifle. Munroe Crutchley Grants Pass, OR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Brief Comments excellent idea and ground breaking on the Jim Baker Party web site. - one for Michigan region in the works??? - maybe get all the AMM regional parties on a site??? (under Dean's overall guiding rein) - good way to introduce everybody and good time to prepare for April 8, 2004 commencement of Lewis & Clark Bicentennial (Great Spirit Father willing). studied Larry "Signs Good" Pendleton video on Indian Sign Language - plan to view it another 4-5 times so it all is absorbed by then - sure would be great to see Vol.2, 3, etc. of these. The song that was used on the video was top notch - really inspiring! - any more of these type of songs or music available somewhere? - ----------------------------------------------------- The American Indian: the only surviving descendents of Ephraim and Manasseh the sons of Joseph - son of Jacob [Israel] - son of Isaac - son of Abraham. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:41:25 EDT From: BarneyPFife@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Games Jerry, As taken from the Book Of Buckskinning, Vol. V, there are lots of games for both young children and us older children too . Many are suitable for both... Card games include Whist (similar to bridge), Vingt-et-un (21 or black-jack), Loo, Cribbage, Fan-Tan, Poker, Faro and Spanish Monte. There are also correct board games like Pente', Chess, Draughts, Tables, Goose, Shove Ha'Penny, Shovel Board, Nine-Mens Morris, Fox and Geese among others. There were also dice games like craps (Hazard). Dominoes, Sweat-cloth (chuck-a-luck) Other childrens games might include Marbles, Jacks, Mumblety-Peg, Prisoners Base, Quoits & Horseshoes, and Coin tosses. Ball games listed include Stool Ball, Trap Ball, Cricket, One-Old-Cat, Rounders, Town Ball, Baseball, Football, and the ancient Golf. There are also bowling type games such as Nine Pins. If you need instructions, contact me off-list and I'll forward them, or pick up a copy of B o B Vol 5, and watch the fun begin. Hope this helps, Barn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lice Hallo Frank Then, as today, they had special "lice combs", finely toothed buggers that were supposed to remove the lice and the eggs from the hair. I was just looking at an original "lice comb", but for the life of me can't remember whether it was a museum, or one of my periodicals. From experiance with my children who brought home lice from school, getting rid the little bast*rds isn't easy, even with today's powerful soaps and anti-lice shampoo. Mostly, they lived with them. This makes my hair itch. Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:07:14 -0700 From: Dave Wyman Subject: MtMan-List: Peter Ogden/Klamath Mts Does anyone know about Peter Ogden, who explored the Klamath Mountains? I'm trying to find out where the name "Klamath" comes from. The editor of the Ogden journals, writing in 1910, sad French Canadians used a French term, "claire mentis," which meant misty or cloudy peaks. But checking French English dictionaries, and talking with a professor of French, no such phrase exists. Could this be an archaic French-Canadian term? Thanks, Dave Wyman - --- http://www.davewyman.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:07:03 -0700 From: Dave Wyman Subject: MtMan-List: Peter Ogden/Klamath Mts Does anyone know about Peter Ogden, who explored the Klamath Mountains? I'm trying to find out where the name "Klamath" comes from. The editor of the Ogden journals, writing in 1910, sad French Canadians used a French term, "claire mentis," which meant misty or cloudy peaks. But checking French English dictionaries, and talking with a professor of French, no such phrase exists. Could this be an archaic French-Canadian term? Thanks, Dave Wyman http://www.davewyman.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:52:30 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! Larry, Was fortunate to see an original pair in a private collection in Montana. They were cast steel on cards. Drew a picture and may well try and recreate them. Shoulden't be too difficult. A lot of hand metal work but that, Ok. Wonder what one could sell a pair for if a cotage industry was started.....hint...hint. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:59 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > John, > I'm not a horseback type person, [ I figure them critters come in this > world looking for a way out ] but I once read that spurs were sold at the > rendezvous. They were on cards like dimestore stuff, and they were not sold > in pairs. Can't remember where I read that so don't take it to the bank > just yet. Others will have more info than I do. > Pendleton > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Funk, Jr. > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; mountain > lists ; amm lists > Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > > >Good idea, Larry............ > >OK horse folk, I need some info. > >1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We > >know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and > >therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east > .........what > >design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical > English > >stuff.....what? > >2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, > >possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? > > Give me all you've got.... > >John Funk > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: larry pendleton > >To: mountain lists ; amm lists > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM > >Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > > > > >> Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > >> way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have > to > >> start something. > >> Pendleton > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:03:41 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Spurs Bill, Great treatise in spurs. Thanks. Will don some further research. As mention to Larry, have seen an original Fur Trade "spur" on a card in a private collection. I'm really considering trying to duplicate it......as I recall, they had jingle bobs as well. They look like they may have been of Spanish influence. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: bvannoy To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > John, > Mexican Borderland spurs were of generaly two types. The a la jineta spur aka > the Moorish gaff spur was mainly used by light calvary troops in the 15th and > 16th centuries. This spur was characterized by it's prong or knob at the end. > No rowell. It was worn low on the heel, extended below the stirrup, and was > tied in place with leather bands or ribbons. A variation of this spur is noted > in A.J.Miller's painting "The Trapper's Bride". > The other basic spur is the a la brida spur marked by the rowell and > sometimes very ornate. The classic sweeping shank and 6 to 8 pointed rowell is > found in Mexican collections . Again these spurs date back to the 15th and 16th > centuries. These were used more by the spanish knights for heavy horse work. > A la brida spurs are considered the forerunner of todays modern western spurs. > Many of the Spanish missions in Texas and New Mexico had blacksmiths on > hand to make items such as spurs. The larger Missions had full time residents > while the smaller ones would ask the smith to " come around" or they would take > their work to him. It's logical to assume( all of us know what happens)that a > competent brigade smith could fashion spurs as need be. More likely though is > the purchase of spurs at Rendezvous. And yes, spurs were sold singly. You were > a rich man if you could afford two spurs in the Borderlands! > > Source: Southwestern Colonial Ironwork By Marc Simmons & Frank Turley > Museum of New Mexico press 1980 > > Bill"Chases Hawks"Vannoy > > "John C. Funk, Jr." wrote: > > > Good idea, Larry............ > > OK horse folk, I need some info. > > 1. Anyone got documented designs of "spurs" used by the 'old ones'? We > > know they were mounted, for the most part, some with Spanish rigging and > > therefore probably with Spanish tack. Many came from the east .........what > > design spurs would those folks have used? Rev. War designs, typical English > > stuff.....what? > > 2. Would spurs have been hand made by the brigade blacksmith? Therefore,, > > possibly, a free style design depending upon the users desires? > > Give me all you've got.... > > John Funk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: larry pendleton > > To: mountain lists ; amm lists > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 6:28 PM > > Subject: MtMan-List: Let's Start Talking ! > > > > > Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on here > > > way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I have to > > > start something. > > > Pendleton > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:06:06 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Guidelines & Standards "larry pendleton" wrote: >Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. Well, here's one I've been wondering about for quite a while-- maybe some of you folks can enlighten a poor Canadian. (Especially since I seem to have missed a post, "Rondee", which seems to have touched on the subject.) Do the major rendezvous down there have guidelines for dress & camp? Or does anything go? What are the usual guidelines? How are the guidelines enforced? And what are your experiences, good & bad, with guidelines? Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:13:58 PDT From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: MtMan-List: Spurs There are several people reproducing period spurs around already. Mostly the type you see in Miller's sketches. Among the few I know are Roman Gillitzer of Montana, George Ainsle(overly expensive), and Dave Croyer of Oklahoma City. All,of these reproductions are forged not cast. Roman offers his spurs in either raw or tin dipped. Seems to me that most of the spurs carried to rendezvous were tinned. Bill Vannoy is also in the process of perfecting a few styles of period spurs. Prices seem to vary from 175.00 to $240.00, with the highest price being $400.00 for a pair of Ainsle spurs. Seems to me that Nathaniel Wyeth gifted Osborne Russell with a pair of spurs upon his departure from Wyeth's employ. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: www.stickstone.com - --- George Noe wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:45:08 -0500 > From: George Noe > Subject: www.stickstone.com > To: George Noe > Reply-to: George Noe > Well friends, here is a site someone might be interested in. He has a "magazine" where he hopes some of you "would be, could be, or do be" Authors can send him short stories. He will post them. He also makes some very good looking bows and other things. Check him out !!! Had to mail it to my self to get it out on this one George > > > http://www.stickstone.com/ > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=www.stickstone.com.url === George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:50:53 -0500 From: James A Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: Isinglass (was glue stick) The Brewer's Coop wrote: > > Isinglass is a clarifier made from fish blader. It is used commonly in the > UK for real ale. We don't sell much of it. Polyclar is easier to use. > > Cheers > The Brewer's Coop > 30W114 Butterfield Road > Warrenville, IL. 60555 > 630-393-BEER > http://www.TheBrewersCoop.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:22:49 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: MtMan-List: Clay pipes > Hey all you "tobacco drinkers" If you smoke a clay pipe, I have the > place for you. > www.bytor.com/pipes/pipes.htm "Olde World Fine Clays", Stephen Bray's > place. I just received my new clay from him.. These are as different from > the "mass produced" clays that you see and buy as the difference between a > Gussler Gun and a "K-Mart special" (nothing against K-Mart > specials, so doon start with me) These pipes are individually hand > made, and are the EXACT same as the originals..In material and method..And > the smoke is...well..WOW!!!!! I can't even make a comparison between the > "store bought" and his... There is none. > I am about to drop a check in the mail for another one of his "Dutch" > style pipes, as a "in case" backup.. Oh yeah, the prices are doggone > good... > Well, that was my plug of the day.. > D ______________________________ "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:02:21 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brief Comments > On Thu, 26 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote: > excellent idea and ground breaking on the Jim Baker Party > web site. - one for Michigan region in the works??? - ________________________________________ Jon, We would like to see in time as many of the AMM State or Territories, put web sites of their regions on the internet. I know that some may disagree, but who else would do such an undertaking. The value of this would be excellent research material for those in the area, plus give a list of people to contact with questions on subjects that pertain to the region. That was one of the thinkings when we started the Jim Baker Party site, not bragging or any of that baloney, just trying to give old and new folks some good information, isn't this what it's all about ! As far as anyone's expertise, we all start from square one, and believe me we all make big time mistakes, whether its in doing the research, your mind-set, or equipage. In all the years I've been doing this I have made some classic blunders, and have had some damn neat garage sales unloading wrong equipage for my personal time frame. This sport no matter what we call it; trekking, living history, reenactments, buckskinning - whatever, is a learning experience that we can all learn from and share our thoughts about. These new web site's that are being worked on by some of the parties are the children of Dean Rudy's page (now I'm not calling him a Mother, I don't think). But the work on his pages are the master of buckingskinning/mountainman material. The Baker site and new ones coming up will be more area coverage for their regions. In NO way are we trying to change direction or do anything other than provide more information about the people that came, stayed, or passed through each region. Hope that's clear. One other thing that's neat, if your going to an event out of your area, what a neat resource to see who and when or what happened in the place being visited, or if moving to a new area - now you have contacts. This is a very valuable tool at everyone's finger tips, no matter whether your a researcher, history buff or just interested in an area. I can't say enough about "Powder-To-Burn" he has knocked himself out with this party project, plus has done a wonderful job for being new to the web builder title. Thanks Bill. I had better stop bending your ears and good luck on those web sites guys. Later, Buck Conner * * * *CHECK THESE SITES OUT:* * * * AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado Territory http://klesinger.com/jbp/swf1.html dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ * * NOW AVAILABLE: * * The AMM Journal. The Tomahawk & Long Rifle 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link Subscription rate for the T&LR is $20 for a year - qtr issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #357 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.