From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #534 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, May 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 534 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Saws.. Thanks! -       Re: MtMan-List: saw -       Re: MtMan-List: saw -       Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) -       Re: MtMan-List: saw -       Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) -       Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) -       Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:11:04 -0600 From: Bobbie Subject: MtMan-List: Saws.. Thanks! Thanks for all the terrific replies on saws. It's going to take me a while to digest all of this, and I will be looking up some of the suggestions. I do appreciate all the info. I hope it's ok if I get back to some of you privately about some of your suggestions that I may have questions on. On a different note, I fletched my first arrows yesterday, and on a high from that. This is a skill that will take lots of practice, but I'm pleased with the results. Thanks again!! Bobbie, off to look for turkey feathers...... ^_^ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:57:14 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw list please forgive me for my transgression---on the A _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ l Senu line--- HAWK Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:37:17 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw D slap my hands and scuff my toe---ment to say senue or a leather whang I am sure---must have been my medication that forced me to do such a gramerical slip of words and such---please note that I will punish myself this eve by reducing the amoutn of libation that i will intake to atone for my sin and quickness to response---therefore the chastizement is and will be noted in the record book of life in the area of transgressions of words and text I know how difficult it is to trap them darn noggies and then to skin them out and get that stuff for plastic buckskinners to utilize in their undercover mode---saw a bunch of them on the beach last week ----the pink noggies with the small little cloth coverings that are best left off because of lack of area covered.. again please foregive my transgressions YMHOSANT =+= HAWK Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:36:34 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFB991.AEA66480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If survival is your only goal, rip-stop nylon, gor-tex, stainless steel = , down sleeping bags and high-impact light-weight plastic are the way to = go. Most Mountain supply stores carry this stuff. If your interest = lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as well as anything artifical and = sinew is free, it comes off the animal you shot. Regular animal gut = could be used for a saw bow winch. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Cunningham=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) I was watching that antiques roadshow program one time and a guy = brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked nice and he was sure = he had a pot of money. But the antique guy showed him that it was = factory tanned leather, sewed with artificial sinew, which he explained = was a hi-tech modern product. You could see the guy just wither. But it = brought to mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, = would you be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it = might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is typically 12" long or = less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so = in your possibles pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial = sinew which is infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a = fine goal, but what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) = depended on it? Bill C -----Original Message----- From: D Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) Boy, I am on a roll now... I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell FANTASTIC = authentic, documented items in various forms.All high quality.... But = for some reason, allot of them also list "artificial sinew" on their = trade lists.....GO figger... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFB991.AEA66480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If survival is your only goal, rip-stop = nylon,=20 gor-tex, stainless steel , down sleeping bags and high-impact = light-weight=20 plastic are the way to go.  Most Mountain supply stores carry this=20 stuff.  If your interest lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as well = as=20 anything artifical and sinew is free, it comes off the animal you = shot. =20 Regular animal gut could be used for a saw bow winch.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Cunningham
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 = 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Artificial Sinew=20 (was saws)

I was watching that antiques = roadshow program=20 one time and a guy brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked = nice=20 and he was sure he had a pot of money. But the antique guy showed him = that it=20 was factory tanned leather, sewed with artificial sinew, which he = explained=20 was a hi-tech modern product. You could see the guy just wither. But = it=20 brought to mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, = would you=20 be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it might be = that you'd=20 need it for? Since sinew is typically 12" long or less, and splicing = it is=20 tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so in your possibles pouch, = or=20 rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is infinitely = long?=20 Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but what if your = life (or in=20 some cases, your budget) depended on it?
Bill = C
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
To:= =20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Artificial=20 Sinew (was saws)

Boy, I am on a roll = now...
 I also see way to many = sutlers out there=20 that sell FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in various forms.All = high=20 quality.... But for some reason, allot of them also list "artificial = sinew"=20 on their trade lists.....GO figger...
D
 
 
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math=20 e"
          DOUBLE = EDGE=20 FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron = Accoutrements
   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<= /A>
 =20 "Knowing how is just the=20 beginning"
- ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFB991.AEA66480-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:07:32 -0400 From: "D Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw Hawk, Please Sir, do not lessen your libation ration on my account.. But for true atonement, you should send me a portion of that ration...Then true atonement will be fulfilled and you shall be absolved completely of your transgression and be allowed in the portion of Heaven reserved for such folks as Glass, 'Ol Gabe & such fella's that led the way... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:17 -0600 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFB9A8.8DF744E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried the linen thread - in various weights. The smaller stuff = failed, but some stuff I got from a shoe repair shop worked well. The = only problem I have had with it is that over time it does tend to rot, = especially if used to patch a moccasin. I have never tried animal gut. = Great suggestion and one I will follow up on. I shouldn't imagine it = would have too much stretch. I once read of someone soaking a leather = whang in blood, rolling it in the sand to catch particles, letting it = dry somewhat and then using it as a sort of saw. Without further = instructions I tried it. It worked - to a degree, but I had to keep = making new "saws" because, at least the way I did it, they don't last = long. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Huber To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 If survival is your only goal, rip-stop nylon, gor-tex, stainless = steel , down sleeping bags and high-impact light-weight plastic are the = way to go. Most Mountain supply stores carry this stuff. If your = interest lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as well as anything = artifical and sinew is free, it comes off the animal you shot. Regular = animal gut could be used for a saw bow winch. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Cunningham=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 I was watching that antiques roadshow program one time and a guy = brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked nice and he was sure = he had a pot of money. But the antique guy showed him that it was = factory tanned leather, sewed with artificial sinew, which he explained = was a hi-tech modern product. You could see the guy just wither. But it = brought to mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, = would you be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it = might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is typically 12" long or = less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so = in your possibles pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial = sinew which is infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a = fine goal, but what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) = depended on it? Bill C -----Original Message----- From: D Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com = Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 Boy, I am on a roll now... I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell = FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in various forms.All high = quality.... But for some reason, allot of them also list "artificial = sinew" on their trade lists.....GO figger... D =20 =20 "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFB9A8.8DF744E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have tried the linen thread - in = various=20 weights. The smaller stuff failed, but some stuff I got from a shoe = repair shop=20 worked well. The only problem I have had with it is that over time it = does tend=20 to rot, especially if used to patch a moccasin. I have never tried = animal gut.=20 Great suggestion and one I will follow up on. I shouldn't imagine it = would have=20 too much stretch. I once read of someone soaking a leather whang in = blood,=20 rolling it in the sand to catch particles, letting it dry somewhat and = then=20 using it as a sort of saw. Without further instructions I tried it. It = worked -=20 to a degree, but I had to keep making new "saws" because, at = least the=20 way I did it, they don't last long.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Larry Huber <shootsprairie@hotmail.com&g= t;
To:=20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Artificial Sinew (was saws)

If survival is your only goal, = rip-stop nylon,=20 gor-tex, stainless steel , down sleeping bags and high-impact = light-weight=20 plastic are the way to go.  Most Mountain supply stores carry = this=20 stuff.  If your interest lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as = well as=20 anything artifical and sinew is free, it comes off the animal you=20 shot.  Regular animal gut could be used for a saw bow=20 winch.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill=20 Cunningham
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, = 2000 7:50=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Artificial=20 Sinew (was saws)

I was watching that antiques = roadshow=20 program one time and a guy brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It = really=20 looked nice and he was sure he had a pot of money. But the = antique guy=20 showed him that it was factory tanned leather, sewed with = artificial=20 sinew, which he explained was a hi-tech modern product. You = could see=20 the guy just wither. But it brought to mind a couple of = questions. In=20 true survival situations, would you be able to obtain enough = sinew to=20 take care of whatever it might be that you'd need it for? Since = sinew is=20 typically 12" long or less, and splicing it is tricky at = best,=20 would you carry 15 feet or so in your possibles pouch, or = rather,=20 perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is infinitely = long?=20 Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but what if = your life=20 (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it?
Bill = C
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
To:= =20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: = MtMan-List:=20 Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Boy, I am on a roll = now...
 I also see way to = many sutlers=20 out there that sell FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in = various=20 forms.All high quality.... But for some reason, allot of = them also=20 list "artificial sinew" on their trade = lists.....GO=20 figger...
D
 
 
"Abair ach beagan is = abair gu math=20 = e"
         =20 DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron=20 Accoutrements
   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<= /A>
 =20 "Knowing how is just the=20 = beginning"
- ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFB9A8.8DF744E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:26:22 -0600 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BFB9A9.67AD85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Along with learning the early mountain man survival skills (early on we = decided to eschew modern equipment for survival) I once made a bedroll = from cat tail leaves, reeds, and milk weed. It works, but you'd better = be a strong sleeper - it tended to leak cold air in and was a trifle = noisy. Like down (available for as long as there have been geese) it is = prone to failure when it gets wet. Plastic, under extreme cold, tends to = fracture under stress. I have never had a wood pack frame or a nice = leather or linen haversack do that. I have, in my youth when more of = them were available, seen hand forged axes shatter under normal use in = the very cold winter months.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Huber To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 If survival is your only goal, rip-stop nylon, gor-tex, stainless = steel , down sleeping bags and high-impact light-weight plastic are the = way to go. Most Mountain supply stores carry this stuff. If your = interest lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as well as anything = artifical and sinew is free, it comes off the animal you shot. Regular = animal gut could be used for a saw bow winch. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Cunningham=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 I was watching that antiques roadshow program one time and a guy = brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked nice and he was sure = he had a pot of money. But the antique guy showed him that it was = factory tanned leather, sewed with artificial sinew, which he explained = was a hi-tech modern product. You could see the guy just wither. But it = brought to mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, = would you be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it = might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is typically 12" long or = less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so = in your possibles pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial = sinew which is infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a = fine goal, but what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) = depended on it? Bill C -----Original Message----- From: D Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com = Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) =20 =20 Boy, I am on a roll now... I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell = FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in various forms.All high = quality.... But for some reason, allot of them also list "artificial = sinew" on their trade lists.....GO figger... D =20 =20 "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BFB9A9.67AD85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Along with learning the early = mountain man=20 survival skills (early on we decided to eschew modern equipment for = survival) I=20 once made a bedroll from cat tail leaves, reeds, and milk weed. It = works, but=20 you'd better be a strong sleeper - it tended to leak cold air in and was = a=20 trifle noisy. Like down (available for as long as there have been geese) = it is=20 prone to failure when it gets wet. Plastic, under extreme cold, tends to = fracture under stress. I have never had a wood pack frame or a nice = leather or=20 linen haversack do that. I have, in my youth when more of them were = available,=20 seen hand forged axes shatter under normal use in the very cold winter = months.=20
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Larry Huber <shootsprairie@hotmail.com&g= t;
To:=20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Artificial Sinew (was saws)

If survival is your only goal, = rip-stop nylon,=20 gor-tex, stainless steel , down sleeping bags and high-impact = light-weight=20 plastic are the way to go.  Most Mountain supply stores carry = this=20 stuff.  If your interest lies elsewhere, linen thread packs as = well as=20 anything artifical and sinew is free, it comes off the animal you=20 shot.  Regular animal gut could be used for a saw bow=20 winch.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill=20 Cunningham
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, = 2000 7:50=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Artificial=20 Sinew (was saws)

I was watching that antiques = roadshow=20 program one time and a guy brought in an Indian arrow quiver. It = really=20 looked nice and he was sure he had a pot of money. But the = antique guy=20 showed him that it was factory tanned leather, sewed with = artificial=20 sinew, which he explained was a hi-tech modern product. You = could see=20 the guy just wither. But it brought to mind a couple of = questions. In=20 true survival situations, would you be able to obtain enough = sinew to=20 take care of whatever it might be that you'd need it for? Since = sinew is=20 typically 12" long or less, and splicing it is tricky at = best,=20 would you carry 15 feet or so in your possibles pouch, or = rather,=20 perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is infinitely = long?=20 Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but what if = your life=20 (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it?
Bill = C
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
To:= =20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: = MtMan-List:=20 Artificial Sinew (was saws)

Boy, I am on a roll = now...
 I also see way to = many sutlers=20 out there that sell FANTASTIC authentic, documented items in = various=20 forms.All high quality.... But for some reason, allot of = them also=20 list "artificial sinew" on their trade = lists.....GO=20 figger...
D
 
 
"Abair ach beagan is = abair gu math=20 = e"
         =20 DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron=20 Accoutrements
   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<= /A>
 =20 "Knowing how is just the=20 = beginning"
- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BFB9A9.67AD85A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:54:22 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFB9A4.EF370A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since sinew is typically 12" long or less, and splicing it is tricky = at best, would you carry 15 feet or so in your possibles pouch, or = rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is infinitely = long? Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but what if your = life (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it? Bill C Bill, Your point is well taken, in that when your life depends on it, there = may be no historical substitute for modern technology. I think the point = is also well made that the goal is to do well with less and do it the = old way. I'm not going to set here and tell anyone that I don't have = some artificial sinew and that all my gear is 100% authentic, nor do I = have it pared down to the bare minimum. What I carry for maintenence of = my comfort level that is not strictly correct is just where I am at in = making the transition from a modern person to a more natural man.=20 But when it comes to my safety or the safety of my commrads, modern = usually wins out. I guess I could carry a medicine bundle of herbs and = etc.'s but I choose to carry a modern first aid "kit". Perhpas I know of = herbs that will stem bleeding or ease a head ache and if I find them I = might think to use them but I also carry bandaid's and modern analgesics = in case I don't. I know how to collect sinew and how to use it, along = with carrying it, but I also carry some more modern fibers/threads in = case the emergency is just too great, (as you pointed out).=20 I don't carry a brazier in the canoe much less on my back and wouldn't = even if they existed. I also have a new cast iron pot (rounded with = three long legs) that I may carry by boat but it is not someing anyone = in their right mind would want to carry on their back. I doubt I would = subject a horse to such extra weight. I have straight sided "dutch = ovens" that I have used in the past at National Drive and Dump = Rendezvous but I quit taking it simply because it probably was not even = close to representative of the kinds of "dutch ovens" used in big camps = or forts in the Rockies. There are many other items that I have = accumulated over the years that sure make life more cofortable at Drive = and Dumps but insofar as my wife will let me, we leave them at home now. = =20 It isn't my place to criticize anyone for what they feel they need to = do or use anymore than it is anyone's place to criticize me for my = choices but I am only fooling myself if I am so ingenuous as to suggest = that the short cuts I take are ok without some reasonable explanation as = to why I take them. And it is our place to advocate that we all try our = hardest to do it right and where possible show each other and the new = person the right way. So you and I may very well continue to carry a few = feet of "artificial sinew" just for emergencies but we will work towards = learning how to harvest and use the real thing because that is the game = we are playing. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Aux Aliments de Pays! - ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFB9A4.EF370A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since sinew is typically 12" long = or less, and=20 splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so in your = possibles=20 pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial sinew which is=20 infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a fine goal, but = what if=20 your life (or in some cases, your budget) depended on it?
Bill = C
 
Bill,
 
Your point is well taken, in that when your life depends on it, = there may=20 be no historical substitute for modern technology. I think the point = is also=20 well made that the goal is to do well with less and do it the old way. = I'm not=20 going to set here and tell anyone that I don't have some artificial = sinew and=20 that all my gear is 100% authentic, nor do I have it pared down to the = bare=20 minimum. What I carry for maintenence of my comfort  level that = is not=20 strictly correct is just where I am at in making the transition from a = modern=20 person to a more natural man.
 
But when it comes to my safety or the safety of my commrads, = modern=20 usually wins out. I guess I could carry a medicine bundle of herbs and = etc.'s=20 but I choose to carry a modern first aid "kit". Perhpas I know of = herbs that=20 will stem bleeding or ease a head ache and if I find them I might = think to use=20 them but I also carry bandaid's and modern analgesics in case I don't. = I know=20 how to collect sinew and how to use it, along with carrying it, but I = also=20 carry some more modern fibers/threads in case the emergency is just = too great,=20 (as you pointed out).
 
I don't carry a brazier in the canoe much less on my back and = wouldn't=20 even if they existed. I also have a new cast iron pot (rounded with = three long=20 legs) that I may carry by boat but it is not someing anyone in their = right=20 mind would want to carry on their back. I doubt I would subject a = horse to=20 such extra weight. I have straight sided "dutch ovens" that I have = used in the=20 past at National Drive and Dump Rendezvous but I quit taking it simply = because=20 it probably was not even close to representative of the kinds of = "dutch ovens"=20 used in big camps or forts in the Rockies. There are many other items = that I=20 have accumulated over the years that sure make life more cofortable at = Drive=20 and Dumps but insofar as my wife will let me, we leave them at home = now.=20 <G>
 
It isn't my place to criticize anyone for what they feel they = need to do=20 or use anymore than it is anyone's place to criticize me for my = choices but I=20 am only fooling myself if I am so ingenuous as to suggest that the = short cuts=20 I take are ok without some reasonable explanation as to why I take = them. And=20 it is our place to advocate that we all try our hardest to do it right = and=20 where possible show each other and the new person the right way. So = you and=20 I may very well continue to carry a few feet of "artificial = sinew" just=20 for emergencies but we will work towards learning how to harvest and = use the=20 real thing because that is the game we are playing. I remain....
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
Aux Aliments de Pays!
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