From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #612 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, August 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 612 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? -       MtMan-List: Cancelled Idaho Rendezvous -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: diah's rifle? -       Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe trade inquiry -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: diah's rifle? -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? -       MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:51:53 -0600 From: "R Brubaker" Subject: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? Hello, I have been lurking on this list for awhile now. I've been quiet because I am here under what some of you may consider false pretenses. Though my husband does some do black powder shooting and loves to rendezvous, I go as an observer rather than a participant. I am here because I'm a historical novelist and am currently doing a book with a mountain man hero. I stumbled onto your list one evening when I was researching on the internet and subscribed. It was a very smart move on my part. This is an incredibly knowledgeable group, and I can't tell you how much I've learned from your discussions. Right now, I was wondering if any of you might help me. I need a name for my mountain man character. He started out as a minor character named Whiskey Jug Johnson. As often happens with my books, by the time I finished writing the first book I'd thought of another book with Whiskey Jug as the main character. As I wrote, though, the story has evolved until it takes place twenty years earlier than I originally planned. In the meantime, Whiskey Jug's personality has changed so much that I actually have an entirely different character. So, now I need another name for one or the other of these guys. Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate any help you can give me. thanks Carolyn Lampman - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:33:26 -0700 From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Cancelled Idaho Rendezvous Hi Folks As with many other events in the west, the Cascade, Idaho Idaho Free Trapper Rendezvous, Sept 2-4, 2000, has been cancelled due to extreme fire conditions. Regards from the drylands Lee Newbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:13:21 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? - --------------069CE30C5DA15DA4BE7B9EC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn, Would love to help, how about some info first? What part of the froniter does the book set him in? Any particiliar time or events to date him by? Have you given him any special lineage? Does he have to have a "nick name" or do you want a real name with a nick name some friends call him? mike. my web pages R Brubaker wrote: > Hello, > I have been lurking on this list for awhile now. I've been quiet because I > am here under what some of you may consider false pretenses. Though my > husband does some do black powder shooting and loves to rendezvous, I go as > an observer rather than a participant. I am here because I'm a historical > novelist and am currently doing a book with a mountain man hero. I > stumbled onto your list one evening when I was researching on the internet > and subscribed. It was a very smart move on my part. This is an incredibly > knowledgeable group, and I can't tell you how much I've learned from your > discussions. > Right now, I was wondering if any of you might help me. I need a name for > my mountain man character. He started out as a minor character named > Whiskey Jug Johnson. As often happens with my books, by the time I finished > writing the first book I'd thought of another book with Whiskey Jug as the > main character. As I wrote, though, the story has evolved until it takes > place twenty years earlier than I originally planned. In the meantime, > Whiskey Jug's personality has changed so much that I actually have an > entirely different character. So, now I need another name for one or the > other of these guys. Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate any help you can give > me. > thanks > Carolyn Lampman > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------069CE30C5DA15DA4BE7B9EC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn,
    Would love to help, how about some info first? What part of the
froniter does the book set him in? Any particiliar time or events to
date him by? Have you given him any special lineage?  Does he
have to have a "nick name" or do you want a real name with a
nick name some friends call him?
                                            mike.

 my web pages

R Brubaker wrote:

Hello,
        I have been lurking on this list for awhile now. I've been quiet because I
am here under what some of you may consider false pretenses.  Though my
husband does some do black powder shooting and loves to rendezvous, I go as
an observer rather than a participant. I am here because I'm a historical
novelist and am currently doing a book with a mountain man hero.   I
stumbled onto your list one evening when I was researching on the internet
and subscribed.  It was a very smart move on my part.  This is an incredibly
knowledgeable group, and I can't tell you how much I've learned from your
discussions.
        Right now, I was wondering if any of you might help me.  I need a name for
my mountain man character.  He started out as a minor character named
Whiskey Jug Johnson. As often happens with my books, by the time I finished
writing the first book I'd thought of another book with Whiskey Jug as the
main character. As I wrote, though, the story has evolved until it takes
place twenty years earlier than I originally planned.  In the meantime,
Whiskey Jug's personality has changed so much that I actually have an
entirely different character.  So, now I need another name for one or the
other of these guys.  Any ideas?  I'd sure appreciate any help you can give
me.
thanks
Carolyn Lampman

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- --------------069CE30C5DA15DA4BE7B9EC2-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:16:18 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? Carolyn, What time period? Where was he at? Where did he come from?Whom did he sell his fur's too?What nationality? All these thing's would give an indication of what his name could be. Also if you have a particular area and time you could go to list's and Journals from a particular company and time period to get a name. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "R Brubaker" >To: >Subject: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? >Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 11:51 PM > >Hello, > I have been lurking on this list for awhile now. I've been quiet because I >am here under what some of you may consider false pretenses. Though my >husband does some do black powder shooting and loves to rendezvous, I go as >an observer rather than a participant. I am here because I'm a historical >novelist and am currently doing a book with a mountain man hero. I >stumbled onto your list one evening when I was researching on the internet >and subscribed. It was a very smart move on my part. This is an incredibly >knowledgeable group, and I can't tell you how much I've learned from your >discussions. > Right now, I was wondering if any of you might help me. I need a name for >my mountain man character. He started out as a minor character named >Whiskey Jug Johnson. As often happens with my books, by the time I finished >writing the first book I'd thought of another book with Whiskey Jug as the >main character. As I wrote, though, the story has evolved until it takes >place twenty years earlier than I originally planned. In the meantime, >Whiskey Jug's personality has changed so much that I actually have an >entirely different character. So, now I need another name for one or the >other of these guys. Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate any help you can give >me. >thanks >Carolyn Lampman > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:36:31 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: diah's rifle? J.D wrote >I don't know who owned the rifle used as the pattern for the "Santa Fe >awken"made by Uberti several years ago. This was a copy of Kit Carson's rifle, unfortunately no longer made YMOS Cutfinger Friendships made,Problems shared Campfires across the wilderness. Auckland, New Zealand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:43:20 -0700 From: "Bob Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe trade inquiry Scott, I have some photo copies. You can contact me off list. Bob Jones mljones@iguana.ruralnet.net I was told there was some inventories for Bent's >Fort in the Chouteau collections but don't have a contact for this...any >help/suggestions? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:41:04 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: diah's rifle? cutfinger--- believe don steith made the master pattern for the gun---he sell kits with his pattern which is i believe the came---contact me offline and i will give you his e-mail address --- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:32:12 -0400 From: James Lockmiller Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] Hello List, I just received this from a friend and thought it might be worth looking into. I've attached a copy of th ebill below so that you don't have to go looking for it. I'm not sure if this has been discussed here before or not please forgive the redundency. YMOS Manbear > Check this bill out and contact your senators to kill this bill. It's > another gun grab. > > If you enjoy the rights you have, protect them now! > Subject: Gun Bill > > Subject: [Addicted2Reloading] SB 2099 - register your guns via the IRS 1040 > > Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax > form all Handguns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a > tax This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will > become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an > amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance > Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. > > The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate > http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill > number. (SB-2099) > > Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP > this bill!! > Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000 (Introduced in the Senate) S 2099 IS 106th CONGRESS 2d Session S. 2099 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES February 24, 2000 Mr. REED introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance A BILL To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000'. SEC. 2. REGISTRATION OF HANDGUNS. (a) HANDGUN INCLUDED IN DEFINITION OF FIREARM- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (defining firearm) is amended by striking `and (8) a destructive device' and inserting `(8) a handgun; and (9) a destructive device'. (2) DEFINITION OF HANDGUN- Section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to definitions) is amended by adding at the end the following: `(n) HANDGUN- `(1) IN GENERAL- The term `handgun' means any weapon (including a starter gun) which-- `(A) is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive, and `(B) has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. `(2) DISASSEMBLED PARTS INCLUDED- Such term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, and any combination of parts from which a handgun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. `(3) EXCLUSION- Such term shall not include a firearm classified as `any other weapon' under subsection (e).'. (b) TRANSFER TAX IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5811(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `or as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8)' after `section 5845(e)'. (c) TAX ON MAKING FIREARMS IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5821(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `, except, the tax on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be at the rate of $50 for each such firearm made' after `firearm made'. (d) IMPORTATION POLICY CONTINUED- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5844 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to importation) is amended by adding at the end the following: `This section shall not apply to any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8).'. (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 925(d)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting `(without regard to paragraph (8) thereof)' after `section 5845(a)'. (e) SHARING OF REGISTRATION INFORMATION WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 6103(o) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to disclosure of returns and return information with respect to certain taxes) is amended by adding at the end the following: `(3) TAXES IMPOSED ON TRANSFER OF HANDGUNS- Returns and return information with respect to taxes imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be available in an on-line format for inspection by or disclosure to officers and employees of-- `(A) any Federal law enforcement agency, and `(B) any State or local law enforcement agency, whose official duties require such inspection or disclosure.'. (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS- Section 6103(p)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended-- (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A)-- (i) by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `(o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)', (ii) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', (iii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and (B) in subparagraph (F)(i)-- (i) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', and (ii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and (C) in subparagraph (F)(ii), by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `, (o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)'. (f) TRANSITION RULE FOR NONREGISTERED HANDGUNS- (1) IN GENERAL- Any person possessing any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 not registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record maintained by the Secretary of the Treasury under section 5841 of such Code shall register such handgun-- (A) within 1 year of the date of the enactment of this Act, or (B) upon the transfer of such handgun before such 1 year anniversary date. (2) TREATMENT OF REGISTRATION AS TRANSFER- For purposes of any tax imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of such Code, any registration of such handgun under paragraph (1)(A) shall be considered a transfer of such handgun. (3) NONAPPLICATION OF PENALTY- Section 5861(d) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 shall not apply with respect to the possession of any handgun before the date of the registration of such handgun under paragraph (1). (g) PROVISION OF REGISTRATION FORMS- (1) AVAILABILITY- To promote and assist compliance with the handgun registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this section, the Secretary of the Treasury shall make available such registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by the public for compliance with such requirements-- (A) to State and local law enforcement agencies and facilities of the Department of the Treasury throughout the States, the United States Postal Service, and such other agencies and departments of the Federal Government as the Secretary determines would aid in making such forms available to the public; and (B) through the Internet in a downloadable format. (2) SINGLE FORM- The Secretary of the Treasury shall make available registration forms that allow an individual to register the possession or transfer of more than 1 firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 on a single form. (h) PROGRAM OF PUBLIC AWARENESS- Within 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury shall commence a program to broaden public awareness of the handgun registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this section. Such program may include voluntary cooperative efforts with Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and public service announcements as deemed appropriate by the Secretary. (i) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary for the Secretary of the Treasury to carry out the provisions of and amendments made by this Act. (j) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #612 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.