From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #670 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 01 : Number 670 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -牋牋牋 Re: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: [Fwd: traps] -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #669 -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Shaker stoves -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Seeking info.... -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Self Serving Commercial Ad -牋牋牋 Re: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: VIRUS ALERT - FROM McAFEE - W32/Navidad Worm -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:52:56 EST From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. Just how close are these structures going to be to Pomp's Tower/Pillar? ( Iwas on the top this summer and the view was unspoiled.) Thanks. Dick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:03:59 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened.

- ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:52:56 EST To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. Just how close are these structures going to be to Pomp's Tower/Pillar? ( Iwas on the top this summer and the view was unspoiled.) Thanks. Dick - ---- End Original Message ---- According to the article it was a 100 yards from the Interstate, so you being there how close will it be, several hundred yards or 1/4 of a mile ? Was there years ago and don't remember an Interstate !

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:16:46 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... Can anyone elaborate further or give historical background on these? how often do they occur? they sort of sound like basic training (1800-1840 style) combined with wilderness survival. Very interesting posts [i.e., 199? November Fort DeChartre]. Also good information to know on Braziers. It's always painful to hear about a son losing his father - especially that way. Thank God you and your hunting buddies are still with us Buck. - ---- End Original Message ---- Jon, Ft. deChartre, usually in Nov. The National Western, at that event. Ft. Osage, usually in the fall. Ft. Fred, summer event. Manker's Station, summer event. This has become a big deal at some of the bigger events, watch Muzzleloader and Muzzle Blasts, usually advertised. Take care, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ _____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ _____________________________________________ Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:55:06 -0600 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote > Can anyone elaborate further or give historical background on these? > how often do they occur? they sort of sound like basic training > (1800-1840 style) combined with wilderness survival. Very interesting > posts [i.e., 199? November Fort DeChartre]. Yeah, lots of fun. A good knowlege of the history of the time period is necessary to be competitive, as well as a good grasp of woodcraft, shooting ability, which includes fast reloads, and the ability to think on your feet. Woodswalks are held the first week-end of November at Ft. DeChartre, so you just missed this years event. Another one is scheduled the first weekend of Feb, but this is an F&I military event. Only for military units. Another woodswalk is scheduled for the last weekend of Feb at the Bullseye gun club range, south of DeSoto MO. Most teams will allow observers to follow them through the course, please do ask permisssion though. Some teams are touchy about observers. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:25:00 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk challenges ..... [OT] Kramer's Franklin quote To give just a little information on two of the woodswalks: The one held at Fort Chartres is with live rounds. The one at Fort Osage uses blanks. Fort Chartres woodswalk is a hoot to do. I've been doing that one for more than 15 years. Missed out on the walk this year...... truck trouble. I've been doing the walk at Ft. Osage since the beginning. If I recall correctly, we only had one event with live shooting. Since then it's been blanks for all events. Not to downplay Ft. Osage in any way, its just set up for all events to be done as live historical reenactments with all participants staying in Character through the event. In other words, Ft. Chartres is fun, you are being yourself while doing a historical activity. Some stay in character, but others are just their typical rendezvous self! LOL However, Ft. Osage is set up to basically entertain the incoming public which comes to view the events held on site; as well as teach the participant how warfare was enacted during that time period. Not trying to downplay either one, I have fun at both, they are just totally different from each other. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:08:33 -0600 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: traps] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F5A6BC035ABA23775D831416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------F5A6BC035ABA23775D831416 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A0B6656.6238AAEB@mhtc.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:07:02 -0600 From: Mike Rock Reply-To: mikerock@mhtc.net Organization: Professional Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru,de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wind1838@aol.com Subject: traps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1080 and strychninne work great too!! Ever try to live trap beaver to repopulate old areas...it's a gas. Used suitcase type live traps that could hold two children inside. Come to think of it, if we had trapped out those kids dumb enough to grab a Barbie doll on the trap pan, we wouldn't have these freeking tree huggers around today!!!!! Mike - --------------F5A6BC035ABA23775D831416-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:17:25 -0600 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #669 Not to complain much, but what's with the format that the last Hist text came through in?? Ate up a whole bunch of time and didn't say anything the little bit of text said. Is it a format problem on my computer?? Buck, you're the computer expert...what happened??? (No, it's not your posting, I don't think) Thanks, Mike - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:43:25 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk harddog I got my msgs from mlml on hold due to being on the road---please send me the info on the woodswalk off line--- HAWK e-mail to hawknest4@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:57:58 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shaker stoves John and the list, I saw a couple of Boxwood stoves listed in the latest catalog for Northern Hydraulics Company. Their website is www.NorthernTool.com . They are beauties, but VERY heavy! I use a very effective stove in my 12x12 pyramid; the collapsible sold by Panther Primitives. I have recently seen it advertised in the Sportsman's Guide for $39.00, The Sportsman's Guide whereas Panther was selling the IDENTICAL stove for $115. Barn - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:28:21 -0700 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. The structures (large grain elevators) will be about 3/4 mile south of Pompey's Pillar and directly in line with the view of the plains and mountains on the southern horizon. You'll no longer see anything approaching what Lewis and Clark saw. The view will definitely be spoiled--unless, of course, you get off on looking at grain elevators. (I'm a believer in the value of grain elevators--grew up in a Wyoming town named Wheatland for crying out loud--but there is a place for everything and within spittin' distance of a national historic landmark isn't the place for grain elevator). I also have a digitized image of the structures, imposed on a photo of the natural landscape. If anyone wants one, contact me off-list at my university e-mail address (jlallen@uwyo.edu) and I'll send it to you. John Allen - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Memento Threatened. > Just how close are these structures going to be to Pomp's Tower/Pillar? ( > Iwas on the top this summer and the view was unspoiled.) > Thanks. > Dick > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:28:17 EST From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Seeking info.... http://www.rosenet.net/~flyingcd/index.html Ghostrider, Check out this website. You may alreadyknow about them though.It is for Flying Cloud Trading Company in Roseburg,OR. He seems Tohave A pretty good selection of "stuff" as well as plenty of info. 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- ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: hawknest4@juno.com Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:43:25 -0600 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk harddog I got my msgs from mlml on hold due to being on the road---please send me the info on the woodswalk off line--- HAWK e-mail to hawknest4@juno.com - ---- End Original Message ---- Same problem, made the mistake of letting "Concho" use my e-mail and my e-mail got clean-out! conner1@about.com Thanks

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Because I cannot get to them immediately (still getting fleshing beam, etc. set up) and b/c it is too warm to let the air chill the hides, I bought a 25 lb. bag of salt and salted the hides on my back patio (my wife freaked. the two kids next door think it is "so cool".) They are fur dows, salt on wet side and folded over on themselves like a taco shell. I put one in a plastic bag and one out (to save one if either move is a mistake). They are still sitting out on my patio in the shade. They are not fleshed yet. My question is WHAT NEXT? How long will they store this way? Do I need to resalt? ETC. I have a list of braintan instruction guides but the library here has none and neither do the bookstores (ordering will take 2 - 4 weeks) A lot of folks have gave me advice, but I am still confused. HAS ANYONE OUTTHERE WHO HAS SUCCESSFULLY BRAINTANNED GIVE ME SOME "HOW - TO"? feel free to respond off-list to my e-mail. Also, there were A LOT of deer ticks on the hides. What to do about those? ALL SHARED WISDOM WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED! Thanks everyone, - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:04:49 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? C.Kent, Unless the temperature is quite cool, you must get off the larger pieces of meat and fat or you risk ruining the hide. You can use a knife to do this if you don't have a beam as it's not too difficult. Otherwise rolling them up and stashing them in a chest freezer is my recommendation. If you are going to salt them, I'd recommend getting a wood pallet to put them on. Then stretch out a hide and liberally cover it with salt. Feed salt for cattle works best, but rock salt will work also. Be sure to work the salt into all the folds around the legs and neck. Then lay the next hide on top of the first one and repeat the process. I've stacked five hides this way and left them all winter well covered. I'ts good to slightly incline the pallet so any liquids can run off. Be sure to use lots of salt. I put about 1 1/2 inches per hide so it will really soak up the moisture from the hide and discourage any bugs. Next spring pour the salt out on a tarp and dry it out and you can use it again. That's my thoughts... "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party, #1784 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:40:40 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? Brother C Kent. Where do you live that the weather is so warm to threaten your hides? Does it get below 40 degrees at night? I have a full acre of snow I would be glad to give you - free. The advise Teton Todd gave you - amen! If you have nights below 40 degrees so you can expose the hides for cooling, then cover them with an insulation and keep them shaded to retain the cool during the day . . . this may take the place of refridgerated cooling (sounds like your wife may not give you a full endoresment to that idea). And what Todd said about cutting the "chunks" away . . . if you have fat chunks and they get warm and melt, that grease going into the hide will ruin it as it goes rancid. The best way to have a good hide - a little more work at the time, but saves you a lot of work later - is to skin mostly with your hands, and not with your knife. Sure, you have to make initial cuts to get into the animal, but by using your hands and knuckles to separate that hide, you end up with no flesh or fat clinging. Years ago when I was buying hides I got two hides from a young Mexican fellow that were the nicest I had ever bought (some others looked like they had been skinned with a broken beer bottle). I asked him how he skinned - he told me: He made the initial cuts up the belly and brisket to the jaw, and those down the legs; then he started to skin above the ears. I should mention the carcass was hung from garage rafters by the front legs. When the ears and a little bit more were free, he tied a rope around the bundle of ears and tied it to the bumper of his Volkswagon. Then he just pulled. It left tiny little bits of muscle on the lower back, but they were really insignificant. I have found that sometimes you have to give it a litttle "help" so these little muscles and those in the flank area don't separate and go with the hide, rather than the carcass. They say this only works with legal kills. Those taken during poaching season have to be treated in a totally different style. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: S Jones Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS? - --- HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: Help! Don't worry, you are ok so far. The salt will dry out the skins and preserve them from spoilage. Make sure you leave NO strips of fat on the skin; muscles are ok. I prefer to leave the skins exposed to the air, not folded like a taco but no harm's done. The DOWNSIDE is flushing the salt out when you find the time. My lazy man's method is weigh it down in a clean running brook or creek; failing that, soak in a 35 gallon trash can full of fresh water, dump where you think it's ok (not in your garden or lawn) and refill again. Twice might be sufficient. i presume you will want the hair off: which method do you prefer, the dry scrape or the wet scrape method? 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