From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #671 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 671 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan -       MtMan-List: hides -       MtMan-List: Flour -       MtMan-List: Fw: mystic symbols /good luck charms -       Re: MtMan-List: Flour -       Re: MtMan-List: Flour -       MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap" -       Re: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: S Jones Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan - --- HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: Help! Don't worry, you are ok so far. The salt will dry out the skins and preserve them from spoilage. Make sure you leave NO strips of fat on the skin; muscles are ok. I prefer to leave the skins exposed to the air, not folded like a taco but no harm's done. The DOWNSIDE is flushing the salt out when you find the time. My lazy man's method is weigh it down in a clean running brook or creek; failing that, soak in a 35 gallon trash can full of fresh water, dump where you think it's ok (not in your garden or lawn) and refill again. Twice might be sufficient. i presume you will want the hair off: which method do you prefer, the dry scrape or the wet scrape method? One's done on a frame and the other's done on a beam. ===== deafstones ''~`` ( o o ) +------------------.oooO--(_)--Oooo.----------------------+ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:23:19 -0800 From: Linda Holley Subject: MtMan-List: hides I have a friend in the Charlotte area of North Carolina that has tooooo many hides. If anyone in the area is interested in some FREE deer hides...let me know. I will put you in touch with him. These are pulled hides from a meat place that the hunters take their kills too. He will not send or deliver...you have to pick them up. Linda Holley - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:55:02 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: Flour Gentelmen, Question, In the papers of William H. Ashley it states that he took 500 pounds of Flour to the 1825 Rendezvous at Henrys Fork, that's a lot of pancakes?, how did they cook it?. It also shows Mr. Bill Monteaus as having received 2 copper 2 gallon kettles? And in his inventory of goods taken he shows 25 Kettles, but does not state what they are made of? Interesting! YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:05:53 +0100 From: "Pavel Grund" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: mystic symbols /good luck charms - ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od: Pavel Grund Komu: ve=F8ejn=E1 konference US MM Odesl=E1no: 25. =F8=EDjna 2000 14:53 P=F8edm=ECt: Fw: mystic symbols /good luck charms > > Hallo! > > Many thanks for all answers! > > In your answers I find some differences - you all deny "mystic moment" = of > symbols, but in letter of Dave Kanger he name it > "good luck charms" - I think that it is the same ! In Europe was in > medieval much of superstitions pertinent to this "mystics symbols". > > Know you anybody more of this "good luck charms"? > > For example in book "Shooters and wizards-shooters" by Jaroslav Lugs is > number of chapters pay to witchcraft of shooters. On this base set in f= or > example opera "Freischutz" by Carl Maria von Weber. Known fighter contr= a > superstitions and witchcraft in shooting was executioner Karl Huss from town > Cheb in Bohemia (now Czech Republic) 1761-1838. > > Can you anybody send to me picture of symbol named "man-in-the-moon" I = do > not know it. > > Special for Steve Pepke - can you send me picture of symbols from your > musket? I start investigation with my friends about it. > > May be direct on my e-mail peggy@wo.cz. > > Peggy > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:59:32 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flour
---- Begin Original Message ----
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flour
Gentelmen,
Question,
In the papers of William H. Ashley it states that
he took 500 pounds of Flour to the 1825
Rendezvous at Henrys Fork,that's a lot of
pancakes?, how did they cook it?.
- ------------------------------------
"bannock" baked on a stick, "biskets" baked in a
frying pan or pot with stew, "fry bread" heated  
on a flat rock in a boiling pot of lard,"snikers"
are done when rending lard - when the clean lard
is boiling in a liquid state the dough balls are
put in untl brown, pretty greasy.
- ------------------------------------
It also shows Mr. Bill Monteaus as having
received 2 copper 2 gallon kettles? And in his
inventory of goods taken he shows 25 Kettles, but
does not state what they are made of?
- ------------------------------------
tinned iron, iron, brass, copper, as well as thin
cast iron, not the stuff we see today - to thick.
- ------------------------------------
Interesting!
YMOS
Ole # 718
- ---- End Original Message ----

How your weather Ole ?








Later,
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
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_____________________________________________
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http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:13:10 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flour > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3056893991_76056_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Daniel, Weather sucks!, we are 20 deg below normal, hope it changes soon. It has been overcast and snowey since Tuesday the 7 of November, seems the heavens are not happy with the election games that are being played. You are correct cast iron from the period that I have seen was verry thin and brittle compared to what we see today. I don't know where I read this information, but in the centuries before this, bread and bread products were concidered staples at every meal. It could be that grains can be stored for long periods of time after harvesting that this became the practice. So I think that trapers of the period were so use to having bread products that Ashley felt the need to make flour his largest commodityfollowed by Coffee and Tobaco. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- From: "Daniel L. Smith" To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flour Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2000, 3:59 PM - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: Flour Gentelmen, Question, In the papers of William H. Ashley it states that he took 500 pounds of Flour to the 1825 Rendezvous at Henrys Fork,that's a lot of pancakes?, how did they cook it?. - ------------------------------------ "bannock" baked on a stick, "biskets" baked in a frying pan or pot with stew, "fry bread" heated on a flat rock in a boiling pot of lard,"snikers" are done when rending lard - when the clean lard is boiling in a liquid state the dough balls are put in untl brown, pretty greasy. - ------------------------------------ It also shows Mr. Bill Monteaus as having received 2 copper 2 gallon kettles? And in his inventory of goods taken he shows 25 Kettles, but does not state what they are made of? - ------------------------------------ tinned iron, iron, brass, copper, as well as thin cast iron, not the stuff we see today - to thick. - ------------------------------------ Interesting! YMOS Ole # 718 - ---- End Original Message ---- How your weather Ole ? Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --MS_Mac_OE_3056893991_76056_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Flour Daniel,
Weather sucks!, we are 20 deg below normal, hope it changes soon. It has be= en overcast and snowey since Tuesday the 7 of November, seems the heavens ar= e not happy with the election games that are being played.
You are correct cast iron from the period that I have seen was verry thin a= nd brittle compared to what we see today.
I don't know where I read this information, but in the centuries before thi= s, bread and bread products were concidered staples at every meal.  It = could be that grains can be stored for long periods of time after harvesting= that this became the practice. So I think that trapers of the period were s= o use to having bread products that Ashley felt the need to make flour his l= argest commodityfollowed by Coffee and Tobaco.
YMOS
Ole # 718
- ----------
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flour
Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2000, 3:59 PM


---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@ear= thlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flour
Gentelmen,
Question,
In the papers of William H. Ashley it states that
he took 500 pounds of Flour to the 1825
Rendezvous at Henrys Fork,that's a lot of
pancakes?, how did they cook it?.
- ------------------------------------
"bannock" baked on a stick, "biskets" baked in a
frying pan or pot with stew, "fry bread" heated  
on a flat rock in a boiling pot of lard,"snikers"
are done when rending lard - when the clean lard
is boiling in a liquid state the dough balls are
put in untl brown, pretty greasy.
- ------------------------------------
It also shows Mr. Bill Monteaus as having
received 2 copper 2 gallon kettles? And in his
inventory of goods taken he shows 25 Kettles, but
does not state what they are made of?
- ------------------------------------
tinned iron, iron, brass, copper, as well as thin
cast iron, not the stuff we see today - to thick.
- ------------------------------------
Interesting!
YMOS
Ole # 718
- ---- End Original Message ----

How your weather Ole ?









Later,
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
Research & Documentation for:
_____________________________________________
HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT  
________________________________________HRD__
Visit these period camp sites at:
http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/
http://pages.about.com/conner1/
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
_____________________________________________
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- --MS_Mac_OE_3056893991_76056_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:20:06 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap" Hey, I send out a controversial e-mail and you guys sleep through it? Ok, try this one, Walt Foster was incorrect concerning the building of Fort Hall, they were not"Metise", they were "Mormons". Ha Ha!. Seriously, I had a great time at the Western Teritorial (great place). I suggest that more AMM brothers try to make next years at all cost. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:58:07 -0600 From: "harddog" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C04CE2.E00A5FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Buck, I posted this to another list, MLML, and a responce was sent to the AMM = History List. Below is my original post. Bob, I was not able to participate in the cyber woodswalk because I helped = plan and execute it. However, I have been going on situational woodswalks/survival matches for many years. I designed and ran three survival matches each year for 15 years at our local club and over the past four years myself and two others designed and ran three diferent, three day, 24 hour per day, survival weekends. When TOF emailed me and asked if I would help him set up a situational cyber woodswalk. I said I would, but it would be harder than designing = and physically running one. Survival matches are more than just a shooting game. They are also a "mind game." Sometimes they are also a trivia = game, but we left out that on this one. A participant has to read and reread = the scenario before the game starts. BTW, a scenario is never meant to give the full story with details, but just gives good hints and the "flavor" = of the match. Along the way a little knowledge of the time period and = stated location helps immensely. A person with a little ingenuity and an intuitive mind, (or is that a devious mind), usually does a little = better on these type of games. Any rules usually tell you what you have to do = and what you can't do, but doesn't spell out other things that you "can" do = if you think of them. A person usually has some trouble when participating for the first time, but learns the "right" gear to carry and the = "right?" attitude to approach the match with after participating in a few of = these matches. Hawk posted a message some time ago in which he suggested what a participant should carry. His advice was pretty good, but each = individual who does these matches carries somewhat different gear. The mind game = part of these matches is the hardest thing to learn. One drawback to the = cyber woodswalk was that there was not anybody there physically to answer certain questions although some questions were asked after the match. Since I had nothing to do with scoring the match, I don't know if TOF allowed any extra points for question asked after the match or not. I recently left my house at 3AM in the morning in order to arrive in another state by 9AM to attend a 2 day, 24 hour per day survival match. = I happened to have won this match. Came in first over 29 other = participants even though I was by far the oldest participant and lost my spectacles = in a canoe capsizing at about noon on the first day. I cannot see more than = 5 inches clearly without my glasses. I didn't come in first because I was the best shot, but because I have played this game a whole lot of times and was prepared. In answer to your question I will tell the MLML members what I carry on = a survival match and the reasoning of some of my decisions. I always carry a smoothbore. I am not much of a shot with a rifle = anymore and I like the vesatility of a smoothbore. Targets at survival matches = are usually not all that hard to hit. I always design mine so that the = average shooter will find 50% or better of the targets to be easy shots. The particular smoothbore I carry on survival amtches has been retrofitted with a steel ramrod like that on a Bess. Quicker, easier loading with a fouled barrel, doesn't break, and you can't hardly shoot one in two. In my shooting pouch I carry 20 pre-made paper cartridges, 30 = pre-patched and lubed balls, 30 bare balls and enough patching for them, Fifty to sixty 30 caliber balls for buck and ball loads, and a small shot pouch with enough #6 shot for maybe 10 shots. I also carry wadding and cards = for the buck and ball and shot loads. (Versatility and it is a shooting game afterall.) In a firefight or speed shooting situation unpatched balls = are loaded when the fowling becomes a problem. In my shooting pouch is also = an extra mainspring, a mainspring vise, a combination ramrod puller/turnscrew, five extra flints, a tin of olive oil and beeswax = lube, a folding knife, a small sharpening stone, a small extra powder horn, (sometimes in the game you loose your main horn), and a tow worm wrapped with tow. My smoothbore shooting pouch is a double bag with an inside pocket and an outside pocket. My powder measure is attached to the strap and my patch knife is in a sheath on the back of the bag. BTW, my powder measure is small enough in diameter that the whole measure will fit in = the bore of my gun. This facilitates loading, without loosing powder, while = in the prone position. My powder horn is a large 20" horn that holds a = pound and a half of powder or more. My vent pick is tied to and stuck into the powder horn strap. On my person I carry a small tin of chewing tobacco in a samll belt bag, = a small bag of jerky and a small bag of parched corn tucked inside my shirt, a large spike tomahawk tucked in the back of my sash and a belt knife tucked into my sash on the side. (That's three knives I am = carrying, folding in bag, belt knife and patch knife on bag.) I also wear two = large sterling trade silver bracelets and a sterling trade silver cross necklace. My clothing, scarf, breechclout, leg ties, always have a few small sterling silver trade brooches attached somewhere. These trade silver items, besides being ornamental, constitute trade goods if = needed. In a haversack I carry a small boiler, a small wooden cup, a fishing = kit, a fire starting kit, a couple of pieces of fat wood, a tin of mocassin grease, several lengths of linen twine, some extra tow, a folding lead ladle, bullet mold, bar lead and whatever foodstuff I might need for a weekend or week in the woods. I have a matchcoat, (small blanket), tied = to the strap of the haversack in lieu of a regular coat or weskit. On my = back I wear a rucksack containing a wool blanket, an extra shirt, and an = extra pair of moccasins. Also in the rucksack, but not period correct is my diabetic supplies, insulin, syringes, glucose meter, etc, and my perscription pills. This is my normal gear for any Spring, Summer or Fall event whether a survival or not. I always carry this gear. In Winter, yes they do have Winter survivals, I throw an extra blanket into the rucksack and I wear more clothing. During the whole match I never take off or leave any of my gear = anywhere. It is always with me and on my person. You never know when you will be asked to show something. You, also, can never trust that your gear will = be there when you return if you leave it somewhere. A favorite trick on survival outings is to try and somehow strip you of some of your gear. Like I said, it is a mind game, you against the people running the = match. Once you have been on a few such matches you begin to anticipate what = you will be confronted with and what gear you really need to carry. Someone mentioned how people tend to carry to much weight. On a recent survival I booshwayed the guys putting it on each weighed their gear so = we could arrive at an average weight of gear. When the participants began = to arrive we weighed them with and without their gear to find out how many pounds of gear they were carrying and then made them give up gear until their gear weight matched our average. I saw a lot of hard decisions = being made by the participants as they pondered whether to give up food versus ammunition versus blankets, etc. One large muscular guy who could well carry all the gear he had with him ended up having to give up 69 pounds = of gear. This guy was obviously carrying way to much gear. This exercise presented a learning situation on how much and which gear to carry. On = the last survival I sponsored each participant started out by having to show me all the balls, cartridges, and shot he had with him. I confiscated = all but enough for 5 shots by telling them they had capsized a canoe and = lost the rest. They earned ammo back by hitting targets, performing period skills and answering trivia questions about the time period and = geographic location of the scenario. After a long hard three days the last thing = the participants had to do was participate in a firefight with the indians. They did well if they were able to earn enough ammo during the previous two and on half days. Concerning how you should be thinking on a survival. If the scenario = says you are in hostile territory, then you should question whether or not to start a fire when asked to do so. I always opt to cold camp if hostiles are in evidence. If the scenario says a "one day scout" in hostile territory, you have to decide whether to shoot at a turkey target when asked to do so. I can live on jerky and parched corn for several days so why would I want to shoot at a turkey and alert the hostiles of my position? I would hate to shoot at a turkey and then have a hostile rush at me and my unloaded gun. Sometimes strategies like these are to your benefit and sometimes they work against you. It just depends on how devious the person is who designed the match. Do you strip the indian, that you just shot, of his knife or gun or hawk. Certainly, if you need them, but you may find out that he was infected with smallpox and now so are you. Did TOF and I plan a perfect cyber woodswalk? Probably not, but it was a first try at a new and slightly different endeavor. Did everybody, even the old timers learn something? I think so. I hope so. I also hope that everybody who participated at least went away thinking that they had = fun. More fun than just punching a paper target. I remain..... YMH&OS, Harddog ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Buck Conner=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: hawknest4@juno.com Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:43:25 -0600 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk harddog I got my msgs from mlml on hold due to being on the road---please send me the info on the woodswalk off line--- HAWK e-mail to hawknest4@juno.com ---- End Original Message ---- Same problem, made the mistake of letting "Concho" use my e-mail and my e-mail got clean-out! conner1@about.com Thanks Take care,=20 Barry "Buck" Conner=20 Resource & Documentation for: _____________________________________________=20 HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT =20 ________________________________________HRD__=20 Visit these period camp sites at:=20 http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/=20 http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/=20 _____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ _____________________________________________=20 Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com=20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C04CE2.E00A5FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Buck,
I posted this to another = list, MLML,=20 and a responce was sent to the AMM History List. Below is my original=20 post.
 
Bob,

I was not able = to=20 participate in the cyber woodswalk because I helped plan
and execute = it.=20 However, I have been going on situational
woodswalks/survival matches = for=20 many years. I designed and ran three
survival matches each year for = 15 years=20 at our local club and over the
past four years myself and two others = designed=20 and ran three diferent,
three day, 24 hour per day, survival=20 weekends.

When TOF emailed me and asked if I would help him set = up a=20 situational
cyber woodswalk. I said I would, but it would be harder = than=20 designing and
physically running one. Survival matches are more than = just a=20 shooting
game. They are also a "mind game." Sometimes they are also a = trivia=20 game,
but we left out that on this one. A participant has to read and = reread=20 the
scenario before the game starts. BTW, a scenario is never meant = to=20 give
the full story with details, but just gives good hints and the = "flavor"=20 of
the match. Along the way a little knowledge of the time period and = stated
location helps immensely. A person with a little ingenuity and = an
intuitive mind, (or is that a devious mind), usually does a little = better
on these type of games. Any rules usually tell you what you = have to do=20 and
what you can't do, but doesn't spell out other things that you = "can" do=20 if
you think of them. A person usually has some trouble when=20 participating
for the first time, but learns the "right" gear to = carry and=20 the "right?"
attitude to approach the match with after participating = in a few=20 of these
matches.

Hawk posted a message some time ago in which = he=20 suggested what a
participant should carry. His advice was pretty = good, but=20 each individual
who does these matches carries somewhat different = gear. The=20 mind game part
of these matches is the hardest thing to learn. One = drawback=20 to the cyber
woodswalk was that there was not anybody there = physically to=20 answer
certain questions although some questions were asked after the = match.
Since I had nothing to do with scoring the match, I don't know = if=20 TOF
allowed any extra points for question asked after the match or=20 not.

I recently left my house at 3AM in the morning in order to = arrive=20 in
another state by 9AM to attend a 2 day, 24 hour per day survival = match.=20 I
happened to have won this match. Came in first over 29 other=20 participants
even though I was by far the oldest participant and lost = my=20 spectacles in
a canoe capsizing at about noon on the first day. I = cannot see=20 more than 5
inches clearly without my glasses. I didn't come in first = because=20 I was
the best shot, but because I have played this game a whole lot = of=20 times
and was prepared.

In answer to your question I will tell = the=20 MLML members what I carry on a
survival match and the reasoning of = some of my=20 decisions.

I always carry a smoothbore. I am not much of a shot = with a=20 rifle anymore
and I like the vesatility of a smoothbore. Targets at = survival=20 matches are
usually not all that hard to hit. I always design mine so = that=20 the average
shooter will find 50% or better of the targets to be easy = shots.=20 The
particular smoothbore I carry on survival amtches has been=20 retrofitted
with a steel ramrod like that on a Bess. Quicker, easier = loading=20 with a
fouled barrel, doesn't break, and you can't hardly shoot one = in=20 two.

In my shooting pouch I carry 20 pre-made paper cartridges, = 30=20 pre-patched
and lubed balls, 30 bare balls and enough patching for = them,=20 Fifty to
sixty 30 caliber balls for buck and ball loads, and a small = shot=20 pouch
with enough #6 shot for maybe 10 shots. I also carry wadding = and cards=20 for
the buck and ball and shot loads. (Versatility and it is a = shooting=20 game
afterall.) In a firefight or speed shooting situation unpatched = balls=20 are
loaded when the fowling becomes a problem. In my shooting pouch = is also=20 an
extra mainspring, a mainspring vise, a combination=20 ramrod
puller/turnscrew, five extra flints, a tin of olive oil and = beeswax=20 lube,
a folding knife, a small sharpening stone, a small extra powder = horn,
(sometimes in the game you loose your main horn), and a tow = worm=20 wrapped
with tow. My smoothbore shooting pouch is a double bag with = an=20 inside
pocket and an outside pocket. My powder measure is attached to = the=20 strap
and my patch knife is in a sheath on the back of the bag. BTW, = my=20 powder
measure is small enough in diameter that the whole measure = will fit in=20 the
bore of my gun. This facilitates loading, without loosing powder, = while=20 in
the prone position. My powder horn is a large 20" horn that holds = a=20 pound
and a half of powder or more. My vent pick is tied to and stuck = into=20 the
powder horn strap.

On my person I carry a small tin of = chewing=20 tobacco in a samll belt bag, a
small bag of jerky and a small bag of = parched=20 corn tucked inside my
shirt, a large spike tomahawk tucked in the = back of my=20 sash and a belt
knife tucked into my sash on the side. (That's three = knives I=20 am carrying,
folding in bag, belt knife and patch knife on bag.) I = also wear=20 two large
sterling trade silver bracelets and a sterling trade silver = cross
necklace. My clothing, scarf, breechclout, leg ties, always = have a=20 few
small sterling silver trade brooches attached somewhere. These=20 trade
silver items, besides being ornamental, constitute trade goods = if=20 needed.

In a haversack I carry a small boiler, a small wooden = cup, a=20 fishing kit,
a fire starting kit, a couple of pieces of fat wood, a = tin of=20 mocassin
grease, several lengths of linen twine, some extra tow, a = folding=20 lead
ladle, bullet mold, bar lead and whatever foodstuff I might need = for=20 a
weekend or week in the woods. I have a matchcoat, (small blanket), = tied=20 to
the strap of the haversack in lieu of a regular coat or weskit. On = my=20 back
I wear a rucksack containing a wool blanket, an extra shirt, and = an=20 extra
pair of moccasins. Also in the rucksack, but not period correct = is=20 my
diabetic supplies, insulin, syringes, glucose meter, etc, and=20 my
perscription pills.

This is my normal gear for any Spring, = Summer=20 or Fall event whether a
survival or not. I always carry this gear. In = Winter,=20 yes they do have
Winter survivals, I throw an extra blanket into the = rucksack=20 and I wear
more clothing.

During the whole match I never take = off or=20 leave any of my gear anywhere.
It is always with me and on my person. = You=20 never know when you will be
asked to show something. You, also, can = never=20 trust that your gear will be
there when you return if you leave it = somewhere.=20 A favorite trick on
survival outings is to try and somehow strip you = of some=20 of your gear.

Like I said, it is a mind game, you against the = people=20 running the match.
Once you have been on a few such matches you begin = to=20 anticipate what you
will be confronted with and what gear you really = need to=20 carry.

Someone mentioned how people tend to carry to much weight. = On a=20 recent
survival I booshwayed the guys putting it on each weighed = their gear=20 so we
could arrive at an average weight of gear. When the = participants began=20 to
arrive we weighed them with and without their gear to find out how = many
pounds of gear they were carrying and then made them give up = gear=20 until
their gear weight matched our average. I saw a lot of hard = decisions=20 being
made by the participants as they pondered whether to give up = food=20 versus
ammunition versus blankets, etc. One large muscular guy who = could=20 well
carry all the gear he had with him ended up having to give up 69 = pounds=20 of
gear. This guy was obviously carrying way to much gear. This=20 exercise
presented a learning situation on how much and which gear to = carry.=20 On the
last survival I sponsored each participant started out by = having to=20 show
me all the balls, cartridges, and shot he had with him. I = confiscated=20 all
but enough for 5 shots by telling them they had capsized a canoe = and=20 lost
the rest. They earned ammo back by hitting targets, performing=20 period
skills and answering trivia questions about the time period = and=20 geographic
location of the scenario. After a long hard three days the = last=20 thing the
participants had to do was participate in a firefight with = the=20 indians.
They did well if they were able to earn enough ammo during = the=20 previous
two and on half days.

Concerning how you should be = thinking=20 on a survival. If the scenario says
you are in hostile territory, = then you=20 should question whether or not to
start a fire when asked to do so. I = always=20 opt to cold camp if hostiles
are in evidence. If the scenario says a = "one day=20 scout" in hostile
territory, you have to decide whether to shoot at a = turkey=20 target when
asked to do so. I can live on jerky and parched corn for = several=20 days so
why would I want to shoot at a turkey and alert the hostiles = of=20 my
position? I would hate to shoot at a turkey and then have a = hostile=20 rush
at me and my unloaded gun. Sometimes strategies like these are = to=20 your
benefit and sometimes they work against you. It just depends on=20 how
devious the person is who designed the match. Do you strip the=20 indian,
that you just shot, of his knife or gun or hawk. Certainly, = if you=20 need
them, but you may find out that he was infected with smallpox = and now=20 so
are you.

Did TOF and I plan a perfect cyber woodswalk? = Probably=20 not, but it was a
first try at a new and slightly different endeavor. = Did=20 everybody, even
the old timers learn something? I think so. I hope = so. I also=20 hope that
everybody who participated at least went away thinking that = they=20 had fun.
More fun than just punching a paper target. I=20 remain.....

YMH&OS,
Harddog

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Buck = Conner=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 = 3:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List:=20 Woodswalk


---- Begin Original Message ----
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Sent: = Thu, 9=20 Nov 2000 21:43:25 -0600
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: MtMan-List: Woodswalk

harddog
I got my msgs from = mlml on=20 hold due to being on
the road---please send me
the info on = the=20 woodswalk off line---
HAWK

e-mail to hawknest4@juno.com
---- = End=20 Original Message ----

Same problem, made the mistake of=20 letting
"Concho" use my e-mail and my e-mail=20 = got
clean-out!

conner1@about.com

Thanks


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