From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #696 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, December 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 696 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: This years hunting -       Re: MtMan-List: Slow or bad ignition of Flintlocks -       MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan -       Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring -       Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? -       MtMan-List: Hallmark x-mas tree ornament!! -       MtMan-List: Elk hunting in Nebraska -       Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question -       Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan -       [Fwd: MtMan-List: Firearm Question] -       Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring -       Re: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question -       Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring -       Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring -       Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? -       Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? -       Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? -       MtMan-List: Loking for Bear Paw Trading Post. -       MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory -       Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory -       MtMan-List: Beaver & ... [OT] Deer news items -       Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory -       Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory -       Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory -       MtMan-List: PF 2001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:41:11 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: This years hunting In a message dated 12/21/00 8:04:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, kenandsusan@triton.net writes: << I had already made up my mind that I had already enjoyed the best part of the hunt - trailing them. I had come to the conclusion that if I didn't fill my tag during the season that it was ok by me. >> I feel the same way. Meat on the table is great but the process is what makes it worth while. I took my new Tulle hunting for the first time this year. Spent all season walking the country with the deer always somewhere else (the farm I hunt got harvested early so deer moved on) had several chances to take an 'iffy' shot and passed on them. Last day of black powder season 15 minutes or so before legal sunset I said to my self great season, had fun, time to stroll home. Not figuring on getting a deer at all at that point I took a short cut across an open field rather than thru and around the woods. Strolling along relaxed when up pops a button buck, well the years of shooting a flinter made sure my Tulle now has made meat. Not a lot but it is tender and the season ended on a high note. But as you said the best part of the season was the hunt itself, sunrise and sunset on a cold snow covered morning are magic. Red fox passing by without paying any attention to you as they hunt what more can you ask for. Those of us in this small community of history buffs share a world that we can only thank the stars for the chance to live. May you all have a safe, healthy and fulfilling new year. YHOS C. T. Oakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:41:20 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Slow or bad ignition of Flintlocks One thing that is often missed in the training of people on flintlocks is flint selection. I went for several years with a really fine gun that occasionally gave me head aches due to poor ignition. After eliminating the common problems of over priming the pan and not using a pick to insure a clear touch hole etc. a gun builder friend took a look at my gun on the range one day. He quickly told me WRONG flint. If the flint is too long (touching the frizzen when at half cock) it may spark to high and not direct the spark into the pan. This is also a problem, I have been told, with some poorly designed locks. If the flint is too short it does not scrape off enough spark on its way to the pan. I now leave about an eigth of an inch between my flint and the frizzen when at half cock and have little trouble. The position can vary due to the lock design. Another thing that can happen is that a flint that is too wide may not travel the full arch to the pan when it is fired. This can happen because the flint is interfered with on its way down by striking stock or barrel as it is too wide for the lock. And yet another cause of poor/failed ignition is over tightening of the bolts that attach the lock to the stock. You will sometimes find (especially on older guns which have been cleaned and reassembled a lot) that the bolt that goes thru the stock and into the lock plate at the rear end will be protruding thru the lock plate just a little. And on many locks this is right in line with the arch/travel of the cock. If it protrudes enough it can stop the lock dead in its travel but often it just slows it, sort of like a weak main spring, resulting in poor ignition. A little work with a file can fix this problem. But once you master the flint lock you never go back to cap guns. I love our winter shoots where caps fail due to the extreme cold all the time and the rocks just keep on sparking. Got to love the rocks. YHOS C.T. Oakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: SpiritoftheWood@webtv.net Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan Thanks for all the great advice guys! I'll let ya all know how it went come the New Year!! Thanks again!!! I Remain, M.A Smith "In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World" Thoreau http://community.webtv.net/SpiritoftheWood/THEBUCKSKINNERSCABIN - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:24 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring In a message dated 12/21/0 07:17:50 AM, jal@cray.com writes: <> Jim - they are called "cows" - not beef cows, just elk cows. RJ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:16:37 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? And for those of us who like to read and explore the outer reaches of the fur trade (and all the individuals involved in it, in any shape and form), one area that might be over looked is the contact the missionaries, who went to our rendezvous had with these people. "The Mountains We Have Crossed" (diaries and letters of the Oregon Mission) have alot of information of the missions set up there in Hawaii. The success of these (nothing like what the ones who settled in Oregon had, those in Hawaii grew fast and big, so some ended up going there and on to successful- if you want to call it that, ministries) and how some of these people became servants to them. Seems a fair amount of travel went on between the northwest and the islands. Which usually took 20 - - 25 days on the water, one way. The book is a great resource for back ground information and insights on the ladies who came to the rendezvous. mike. HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > Ho List, > > I was reading a book the other day that was written for juveniles about the > Fur trade era. It seemed pretty historically accurate on most points. When > describing the backgrounds of trappers and folks one would find at a > rendezvous it mentioned there were even some people from the Sandwich > Islands. Does this seem correct? Has anyone out there heard of this? If > so, what was the route/means by which these people made it into the Rockies? > > "Keep your nose to the wind and your eyes on the skyline" > > =C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:42:18 -0600 From: Virden High School Subject: MtMan-List: Hallmark x-mas tree ornament!! Merry Christmas to everryone. Has anyone seen the Hallmark, Mtn Man Christmas tree ornament, it is copper color and he is on a horse . It is so cool. Donnie Jim Lindberg wrote: > A kid from southern Wisconsin hunting up north where they re-introduced > Elk shot about a 400 pound doe. Thought it was a big white-tail! (I > guess), at least he did report it. > > Jim > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:26:49 -0600 From: "Jody & Scott" Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hunting in Nebraska We have an elk lottery here too, unlimited, not just for residents. From what I hear the G&P take you out in their truck and say "Shoot that one." Kinda like shooting cows in a feedlot. It does raise a lot of money for them tho. Scott C sjsdm@conpoint.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:46:22 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question larry pendleton wrote: > Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or shotgun? A friend asked and > I told him I know some fellers that might help. > Thanks > > "Teton" Todd D. Glover > #1784 > > Todd, > Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or shotgun. Perhaps your buddy could > provide a little more info ? > > Pendleton > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at gun shows, was told they where like "Tryon" and a few others in later years that assembled parts made in mass quantities for the hardware, general store chains like Sears, Wards, etc. The one's I looked at where of average workmanship and parts, nothing fancy, rolled engraving, etc. Probably available after the Civil War like so many of the farm guns in America. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:11:32 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Priming the Pan John Kramer wrote: > I would disagree that granulation has much to do with speed of > ignition. I've used only 2F in my musket for many years with good fast > results. > > If the lock sparks well and throws the spark to the center of the pan, and > the flash hole is properly positioned so that a sparse trickle of powder in > the bottom of the pan allows the "flash" to rise over the face of the > hole: consistently speedy ignition is the result............. Again my old friend has hit it dead center, thank you John. I have shot only flint guns - pistols,shotguns,fowlers,rifles for 25 plus years, the last 15 of those years has been with using the same powder for loading and priming. Look at Grant's book on pouches and horns, probably half or more show one powder container, the typical powder horn. Granted some of the priming horns may have been misplaced, but several of the shown "priming" horn descriptions are not correct to a few that have handled them - on closer exam several where found to hold salt , not powder. On close exam of old guns (ones in good cond.) look at the size of the vent hole - much larger than what we normally use. When you consider the amount of items one carries on themselves to keep their weapon working and operating in a proper manner, carrying one horn makes a lot of good sense. I have found that 2F works as well as any of the powders for priming with the vent hole enlarged, like John has mentioned. I have been using 3F for loading and priming for several years (reduced charges from 2F load) on the pistols, shotguns, fowlers and rifles - the reason is because of our location here in the Stoney Mountains (Rockies) is seems easier to clean. Yet when at Ft. DeChartre ILL for some reason, maybe the moisture 2F seems to clean up easier, I know same charges, sight settings, etc. change from CO to ILL when shooting at targets of the same distance - with same point of aim, same distance, same target, my guns shoot low in ILL, from their CO setting. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:35 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: [Fwd: MtMan-List: Firearm Question] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------D7E4443877FDA1DEE5F09E97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------D7E4443877FDA1DEE5F09E97 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A427A2D.F3D43397@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:46:22 -0700 From: Buck Conner Organization: ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {U S WEST.net} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question References: <003401c06ae0$cedecb60$801588cf@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit larry pendleton wrote: > Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or shotgun? A friend asked and > I told him I know some fellers that might help. > Thanks > > "Teton" Todd D. Glover > #1784 > > Todd, > Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or shotgun. Perhaps your buddy could > provide a little more info ? > > Pendleton > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at gun shows, was told they where like "Tryon" and a few others in later years that assembled parts made in mass quantities for the hardware, general store chains like Sears, Wards, etc. The one's I looked at where of average workmanship and parts, nothing fancy, rolled engraving, etc. Probably available after the Civil War like so many of the farm guns in America. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------D7E4443877FDA1DEE5F09E97-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:22:03 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring Ad they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was 10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am looking forward to hearing how he did---- while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded HAWK On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" writes: > My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as > killed > this past season in Virginia! Seems they released several in the > mountains > to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't > have an > Elk season there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless. > Seems it had > an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically > that an > Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but > be sure > to tag it... > > Will wonders never cease... > > Ad Miller > Alderson WEST Virginia > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:46:55 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm Question
- ---- Begin Original Message ----
> Anyone ever heard of a "Texas Tyler" Rifle or
shotgun? A friend asked and I told him I know
some fellers that might help.
> Thanks
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover
> -----------------------
> Todd,
> =A0 Never heard of a "Texas Tyler" rifle or
shotgun. =A0Perhaps your buddy could provide a
little more info ?
> Pendleton
> ----------------------
Have seen mid to late 1800 "Tyler" shotguns at
gun shows, was told they where like "Tryon" and a
few others in later years that assembled parts
made in mass quantities for the hardware, general
store chains like Sears, Wards, etc.

Buck Conner
- ---- End Original Message ----

I too have seen a few of these guns, one a
double, the other a single shot; both percussion,
read somewhere that they made early cart. guns.
The ones I saw reminded me of the Western Field
or Ted Williams guns of the 1950 (starter guns or
as mentioned "farm guns").







Later,
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:56:43 -0800 From: "Frank V. Rago" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring Over here in Georgia, we had about 6 or 7 of them get loose from a animal farm and they were running around the woods in Cherokee county. The first year 5 of them were taken. Since they were private property that got lose, those that took them did not face any charges. Last year there was a cow and a young bull seen. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:22 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring > Ad > they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get > real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in > arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are > migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has > even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was > 10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also > has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am > looking forward to hearing how he did---- > > while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was > another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy > > believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett > greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his > equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded > > HAWK > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" > writes: > > My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as > > killed > > this past season in Virginia! Seems they released several in the > > mountains > > to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't > > have an > > Elk season there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless. > > Seems it had > > an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically > > that an > > Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but > > be sure > > to tag it... > > > > Will wonders never cease... > > > > Ad Miller > > Alderson WEST Virginia > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 > E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:57:40 -0800 From: "Frank V. Rago" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring Oops, Seems the cow gave birth. Do not know what happened to them, I think there may be one or two still running around. Frank V. Rago - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:22 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Appalachian Mountain Frontier Period - a step toward restoring > Ad > they also introduced elk into arkansas several years ago but the GFD get > real upset if you shoot them during deer season---most of the ones in > arkansas were released in the buffilo river regin and now they are > migrating out of that area and seem to be spreasding out and arkansas has > even opened a limited season on a draw basis---first year believe it was > 10 permits or 20 dont remember the exact number and this year they also > has a special draw---and danny caywood got a bull ML permit and am > looking forward to hearing how he did---- > > while i was there they arrested 2 guys for poaching a elk---and there was > another reported gut shot that the GFD had to go in and destroy > > believe if the guy that got that elk checks it it will probably gett > greeted by the GFD and probably get to pay a good fine and loose his > equipment and such---they be relly narrow minded > > HAWK > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 "Addison Miller" > writes: > > My Father-In-Law read in USA Today a few days ago, where an Elk as > > killed > > this past season in Virginia! Seems they released several in the > > mountains > > to try and bring them back there too.... Problem is that they don't > > have an > > Elk season there, and the guy who shot it was scared spitless. > > Seems it had > > an ear tag on it. He finally called DNR adn they told him basically > > that an > > Elk was a relative of a deer, so they would count it as a deer, but > > be sure > > to tag it... > > > > Will wonders never cease... > > > > Ad Miller > > Alderson WEST Virginia > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 > E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:04:55 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? >>I have an interesting book recounting the true story of an American sailor who came to be a slave to a Nootka chief on Vancouver Island for three years...<< I just finished reading that one! Very interesting. The edition I read was _White Slaves of Maquinna : John R. Jewitt's Narrative of Capture and Confinement at Nootka_, John. R. Jewitt. Edited by Cara Patik. Heritage House: Surrey, B.C., 2000. The bibliography cites a couple of other editions also. As for the Sandwich Islanders, I believe the first ones came to Astoria in 1811, just in time for David Thompson to pick one up (Coxe) for his return back across the Rockies. They became an institution in the fur trade; Fort Langley (near Vancouver, B.C.) interprets them, and their descendants still live in the area--and practice the traditional Hawaiian religion; the missionaries were too busy converting the Natives to bother with converting the Kanakas. (I read about this in an article in _Equinox_ magazine several years ago.) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:07:53 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? C. Kent, Nathanial Wyeth also had some Kanakas working for him in 1835 according to his journals. They did some winter stuff, and decided that the islands were warmer, and deserted poor Nat. Guess you can't blame them....... Allen At 09:34 PM 12/20/2000 EST, you wrote: >Ho List, > >I was reading a book the other day that was written for juveniles about the >Fur trade era. It seemed pretty historically accurate on most points. When >describing the backgrounds of trappers and folks one would find at a >rendezvous it mentioned there were even some people from the Sandwich >Islands. Does this seem correct? Has anyone out there heard of this? If >so, what was the route/means by which these people made it into the Rockies? > >"Keep your nose to the wind and your eyes on the skyline" > >=C.Kent > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:52:24 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers from the Sandwich Islands? Anyone read the book "Kanaka - The Untold Story of Hawaiian Pioneers in British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest," by Tom Koppel (Whitecap Books, Vancouver/Toronto, 1995) It has a lot of info regarding Sandwich Islanders involvement in the fur trade. Jim Hardee, AMM 1676 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:38:56 From: "jerry strobel" Subject: MtMan-List: Loking for Bear Paw Trading Post. I am looking for the address for Bear Paw Trading post in or around Newton, Kansas. Run by Kevin Hiebert. Kevin is my stepmother Leann (Heinrichs) Strobel's cousin. One of the fellas at Four Flags trading Post told me of Bear Paw yesterday when I asked him if he knew Kevin. Please can anyone put me on the right trail. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Y.M.O.S. Jerry Strobel. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:38:32 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory Halloo Just wanted to thank Dennis Miles for sending me a couple of pieces of Ivory for use as a period pick for my dulcimer. They are perfect for what I wanted. Thank you Good Sir! I am in your debt. Regards from the lands of Idaho Lee Newbill Pilgrim at Large - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory Lee.. My pleasure.. Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one evening.. I will supply the adult beverages & you supply the adult tunes... Now all we need are some adults.. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:18:48 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver & ... [OT] Deer news items USA Today, Fri. 12-22-2000, pp.17A-18A. 2 articles (1 by Tom Vanden Brook and other by John Ritter) "Beavers thrived and became a threat to drinking water supplies in Massachusetts after passage of a trapping ban in 1996. The Legislature had to reconstruct the law to allow some trapping." "A 39-point buck: Mike Beatty shows buck he killed with a bow in November in Greene County, Ohio [Ohio DNR photo via AP]." jdm question: is it a new Boone & Crockett world record? "Estimated white-tailed deer population 1. TEXAS - 4 million. 2. MICHIGAN - 1.8 million. 3. Mississippi, Wisconsin - 1.7 million each. 4. Alabama - 1.6 million. 5. Pennsylvania - 1.4 millon. 6. Georgia, Louisiana, New York, South Carolina, Virginia - 1 million each. (Ohio - 475,000) (New Mexico - 10,000). (14 states not available) Source: Insurance Information Institute; state wildlife agencies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:43:56 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory If you want adults, I fear you may be on the wrong list. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Miles To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory > Lee.. > My pleasure.. Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one > evening.. I will supply the adult beverages & you supply the adult tunes... > Now all we need are some adults.. > D > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:00:34 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory Dennis Miles wrote: > Your payback will be a melodious serenade at my camp one > evening.. Happily done... you'll have to find someone to sing though if it's melodious ye want > Now all we need are some adults.. I'm sorry Dennis... I have it on the best authority from me Mum, me darling Wife,, and me two mostly grown daughters, that I don't qualify on that count. Merry Christmas! Lee Newbill of Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:26:37 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Piece of Ivory I'm sorry Dennis... I have it on the best authority from me Mum, me darling Wife,, and me two mostly grown daughters, that I don't qualify on that count. Well Lee... It seems we are in the same boat... My Good Wife laughed almost hysterically at the prospect off me or any of the Brothers she knows being "adult"... Oh well, we will ha' more fun without 'em... 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