From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #795 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, April 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 795 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       Re: MtMan-List: Massage -       MtMan-List: FWD: AMM-List: NEW BILL IN THE HOUSE. -       MtMan-List: Fw: Laura Glise -       MtMan-List: bear baiting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:20:35 -0600 From: "Scott Gottschall" Subject: MtMan-List: Massage This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C0CDEF.1873E460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am relatively new here, but have been interested in MtMan Rendezvous' = for several years. I am a Massage Therapist and have done some research = on some of the history of massage. =20 While the healing power of touch is a very ancient concept (circa 3000 = BC), this common technique is named for "Swedish Massage" pioneer Peter = Ling (1776-1839). In 1813, the Royal Central Institute was established = in Stockholm, Sweden, and here the known massage movements were studied = scientifically and systematised. It spread quickly from Sweden. The = father of massage therapy in the United States was Cornelius E. De Puy, = MD, who published his first journal on the subject in 1817. Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that = period could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for = things that he needed to live or to use for other trades? =20 I have heard of other Massage Therapists in the last few years having a = tent set up for doing chair massages on Trader's Row at a few various = rendezvous. I have talked with a several traders and they have said = that with the history of Massage being what it is, that it is a = possibility. Comments? - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C0CDEF.1873E460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am relatively new here, but have been = interested=20 in MtMan Rendezvous' for several years.  I am a Massage Therapist = and have=20 done some research on some of the history of massage.  =
 
While the = healing power of=20 touch is a very ancient concept (circa 3000 BC), this common technique = is named=20 for "Swedish Massage" pioneer Peter Ling=20 (1776-1839).  In = 1813, the=20 Royal Central Institute was established in Stockholm, Sweden, and here = the known=20 massage movements were studied scientifically and systematised.  It = spread=20 quickly from Sweden.  The father of = massage therapy=20 in the United States was Cornelius E. De Puy, MD,  who published = his first=20 journal on the subject in 1817.

Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that = period=20 could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for things = that he=20 needed to live or to use for other trades? 

I have heard of other Massage Therapists in the last few years having = a tent=20 set up for doing chair massages on Trader's Row at a few various=20 rendezvous.  I have talked with a several traders and they = have said=20 that with the history of Massage being what it is, that it is = a=20 possibility.

Comments?

- ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C0CDEF.1873E460-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:00:47 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage In a message dated 4/26/1 12:23:49 AM, massage@networld.com writes: <> Someone set up to do this at the Fort Bridger Rendezvous one year. Next year he was denied a trade spot as he was not period correct and could not verify such activity with documentation Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:32:51 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CE33.DCDD04A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Medicine was practiced throughout our period without official = licenses. William Clark sold his services to Indians during his = explorations with Lewis. Therapy massage would probably fall into the = "folk medicine" line. Most "doctors" of this type seldom made a living = following the fur trade. Usually they had a real paying job, i.e. clerk, = teamster, etc. and was known for being able to do a little doctoring on = the side. =20 You seem to have a handle on the history of this practice, so tell = me: Were massage practitioners town based or itinerant? If they = traveled in order to make a living it is possible that they set up a = tent in a "town fair". Would someone like that travel to the Rocky = Mountains for the purpose of plying their trade there? Seems a stretch = to me. If you go to rendezvous, you must come as trapper, teamster or = trader of general goods. I cannot imagine a tent at an original = rendezvous that advertises "Swedish therapy message" even if it existed = in the states back East. Larry Huber=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Gottschall=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Massage I am relatively new here, but have been interested in MtMan = Rendezvous' for several years. I am a Massage Therapist and have done = some research on some of the history of massage. =20 While the healing power of touch is a very ancient concept (circa 3000 = BC), this common technique is named for "Swedish Massage" pioneer Peter = Ling (1776-1839). In 1813, the Royal Central Institute was established = in Stockholm, Sweden, and here the known massage movements were studied = scientifically and systematised. It spread quickly from Sweden. The = father of massage therapy in the United States was Cornelius E. De Puy, = MD, who published his first journal on the subject in 1817. Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that = period could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for = things that he needed to live or to use for other trades? =20 I have heard of other Massage Therapists in the last few years having = a tent set up for doing chair massages on Trader's Row at a few various = rendezvous. I have talked with a several traders and they have said = that with the history of Massage being what it is, that it is a = possibility. Comments? - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CE33.DCDD04A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
    Medicine was = practiced=20 throughout our period without official licenses.  William Clark = sold his=20 services to Indians during his explorations with = Lewis.  Therapy=20 massage would probably fall into the "folk medicine" line.  Most = "doctors"=20 of this type seldom made a living following the fur trade. Usually they = had a=20 real paying job, i.e. clerk, teamster, etc. and was known for being able = to do a=20 little doctoring on the side. 
    You seem to have = a handle=20 on the history of this practice, so tell me: Were massage practitioners = town=20 based or itinerant?  If they traveled in order to make a living it = is=20 possible that they set up a tent in a "town fair".  Would = someone like=20 that travel to the Rocky Mountains for the purpose of plying their trade = there?  Seems a stretch to me. If you go to rendezvous, you must = come as=20 trapper, teamster or trader of general goods.  I cannot imagine a = tent at=20 an original rendezvous that advertises "Swedish therapy message" even if = it=20 existed in the states back East.
 
Larry = Huber 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott=20 Gottschall
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 = 12:20=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Massage

I am relatively new here, but have = been=20 interested in MtMan Rendezvous' for several years.  I am a = Massage=20 Therapist and have done some research on some of the history of = massage. =20
 
While the = healing power=20 of touch is a very ancient concept (circa 3000 BC), this common = technique is=20 named for "Swedish Massage" pioneer Peter = Ling=20 (1776-1839).  In = 1813, the=20 Royal Central Institute was established in Stockholm, Sweden, and here = the=20 known massage movements were studied scientifically and = systematised.  It=20 spread quickly from Sweden.  The father of = massage therapy=20 in the United States was Cornelius E. De Puy, MD,  who published = his=20 first journal on the subject in 1817.

Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that = period=20 could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for = things that=20 he needed to live or to use for other trades? 

I have heard of other Massage Therapists in the last few years = having a=20 tent set up for doing chair massages on Trader's Row at a few = various=20 rendezvous.  I have talked with a several traders and they = have said=20 that with the history of Massage being what it is, that = it is a=20 possibility.

Comments?

- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CE33.DCDD04A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:29:04 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage In a message dated 4/26/01 12:23:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, massage@networld.com writes: << Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that period could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for things that he needed to live or to use for other trades? >> Scott, YES YES YES! LOL. The Manzanita Rendezvous in So Cal is this coming week, and if past experience is any teacher, I can guarantee that after the work party this weekend, you'd be able to make some great barters... ;) Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:33:00 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage In a message dated 4/26/1 09:31:54 AM, shootsprairie@hotmail.com writes: <<. . . . . . . even if it existed in the states back East>> They had pyramids then, too, but no one ever brought any to Rendezvous. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:35:08 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage In a message dated 4/26/1 10:29:43 AM, LivingInThePast@aol.com writes: <> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:36:32 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage In a message dated 4/26/1 10:29:43 AM, LivingInThePast@aol.com writes: <> What are the rules, standards, purpose, etc . . . of the Manzanita Rendezvous Company?? RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:46:57 -0400 From: "'bella" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage even if you can document it and even if the rendezvous won't let you actually set up shop.. I don't see any reason it cannot be done privately, by word of mouth... 'bella - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Massage > In a message dated 4/26/01 12:23:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > massage@networld.com writes: > > << Is it possible for someone trained in Massage Therapy back in that period > could have come to the Western Frontier and traded his skill for things that > he needed to live or to use for other trades? >> > > Scott, YES YES YES! LOL. The Manzanita Rendezvous in So Cal is this coming > week, and if past experience is any teacher, I can guarantee that after the > work party this weekend, you'd be able to make some great barters... ;) > Barney > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Buck Conner Subject: MtMan-List: FWD: AMM-List: NEW BILL IN THE HOUSE. - --382719699.988326137619.JavaMail.root@web595-ec Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - --382719699.988326137619.JavaMail.root@web595-ec Content-Type: text/html; name=Attachment1.html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Attachment1.html Content-ID: Attachment1.html
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- -------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! - --382719699.988326137619.JavaMail.root@web595-ec-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:51:48 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Laura Glise Folks, I have some crappy news. Laura Jean's tumor has reformed. All I know is in the email below that we got this afternoon. Please, lets continue to respect the family's need for privacy. We will instantly forward any news I get. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Lanney Ratcliff" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Laura Glise > Hi, Lanney, > > This is Mary, Laura's sister. I had spoken with Tammie when Laura had her > surgery, and once after, I think. I wanted to let you both know that we > had some tough news today. Laura was due to check into the hospital to > begin her radiation this morning. Unfortunately, a review of the > MRI/Petscan from the night before revealed that the tumor had grown back. > It is about a half inch. Consequently, the radiation is delayed. She will > be rescheduled for surgery some time next week. A flow study will > follow--about two days. Then if all is well, they will begin the > radiation. > > Needless to say, we are devastated by the news. She is very shook up. I > left yesterday from Durham. My brother is driving down tonight. A dear > friend of hers is with her now. Another is on the way. We'll let you know > what happens. Calling Sayward and Phillip will continue to be your best > bet for the latest information. Nevertheless, I thought a quick email > would be in order since you and the AMM folks were anxious for news. > > Thanks for all your efforts, thoughts and prayers. > > Warmly, > Mary > > > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:20:58 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: bear baiting I am currently reading the book THE RIVER OF THE WEST, by Frances Victor Fuller, it is subtitled THE ADVENTURES OF JOE MEEK. In the book it relates the laying over by the trappers in Monteray, California during the winter of 1833-34. Part of the tales involve the mountain mens relationsips with the beautiful women of the city and how they enjoyed their company at various entertainments, including "bear baitings". Aside from wat ye do hunting, what is a "bear baiting"? Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #795 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.