From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #819 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 819 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       MtMan-List: URGENT -- Fort St. Vrain endangered - HELP!! -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       RE: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Stretching a beaver pelt; Santa Fe Trail encampment, etc. -       Re: MtMan-List: Stretching a beaver -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: tribute -       MtMan-List: Artist information?? -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. -       MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:26:02 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - --part1_3c.d3b5fa0.285f93aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt The Shoshoni called the head waters of the Yellowstone home and were one of the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of now Yellowstone Park. Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep eaters there. The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The Horse in Blackfoot Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book. Some more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief prior to 1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed to have owned as many as 60 mules at one time. Weasel Tail claimed that Blood Indians early learned from the Nez Perce how these hybrids were bred from the union of a mare and a donkey. Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, claimed to have stolen six mules from the Crow in the days of intertribal warfare. The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles. Wilson indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals. Walt The Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The Hidatsa and Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and mules for the northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow were always at war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying the Crow did not have or use mules during the fur trade ya better think again. Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here. Crazy Cyot - --part1_3c.d3b5fa0.285f93aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt
The Shoshoni called the head waters of the Yellowstone home and were one of
the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of now Yellowstone Park.
Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep eaters there.
The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The Horse in Blackfoot
Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book.
Some more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief prior to
1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed to have
owned as many as 60 mules at one time.
Weasel Tail claimed that Blood Indians early learned from the Nez Perce how
these hybrids were bred from the union of a mare and a donkey.
Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, claimed to have stolen six mules from the
Crow in the days of intertribal warfare.
The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles.
Wilson indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals.
Walt
The Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The Hidatsa and
Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and mules for the
northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow were always at
war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying the Crow did not
have or use mules during the fur trade ya better think again.
Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here.
Crazy Cyot
- --part1_3c.d3b5fa0.285f93aa_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:30:34 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: URGENT -- Fort St. Vrain endangered - HELP!! With Marcellin St. Vrain's descendents, I was just in Plattesville, CO where nasty plans are afoot to turn the property immediately adjacent to Fort St Vrain into one big gravel mine. The Fort St. Vrain site is on the Colorado Historic Register, but a full scale archaeological investigation has never been adequately done. We suspect there are graves onsite, not to mention numerous artifacts which can enlighten us all on the busy fur trade days. We would also like to investigate Chief Friday's claim that there was a massacre en site. The Weld County Commission is meeting soon to decide on whether to allow S&H Gravel to strip the adjacent lot, which is not only a historical haven, but populated by bald eagles, mountain lions, etc. The majority of Platteville residents are opposed to destroying the ecology of the site -- however the big money may rule the day. IF anyone out there can call or write the Weld County commission to sway them, it would be much appreciated. I will post the pertinent addresses tomorrow as soon as I return from Platteville.. Also, the St. Vrain descendents are joining in the Rendezvous at Bent's Fort at the end of July...come on out! :) AJC Westwood - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:03:41 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0F7EE.B6FD3AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, there were 4 bands of Shoshone. Only the Sheepeaters used the = headwaters of the Yellowstone during the time of the trappers from 1825 = - - 1840 and they did not use horses. The Blackfeet were west of the Yellowstone and north. The Bloods you = mention were as far as 600 miles north of the present day Canadian = border. As I said none of my Crow friends have any recollection of = mules in their family history which is still going on. The Crows held = the most horses on the northern plains before the Sioux intrusion. The = Crow traded with the Shoshone and others over 400 miles south and west = of here. I have read the book. What I am saying is that I have not = found any indication of trappers use of mules in the Rocky Mountain Fur = Trade north of the Yellowstone and south of the Missouri from the time = of Coulter to 1840. Walt Walt=20 The Shoshoni called the head waters of the Yellowstone home and were = one of=20 the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of now Yellowstone = Park.=20 Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep eaters there.=20 The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The Horse in = Blackfoot=20 Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book.=20 Some more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief = prior to=20 1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed to = have=20 owned as many as 60 mules at one time.=20 Weasel Tail claimed that Blood Indians early learned from the Nez = Perce how=20 these hybrids were bred from the union of a mare and a donkey.=20 Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, claimed to have stolen six mules from = the=20 Crow in the days of intertribal warfare.=20 The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles.=20 Wilson indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals.=20 Walt=20 The Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The = Hidatsa and=20 Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and mules = for the=20 northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow were = always at=20 war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying the Crow did = not=20 have or use mules during the fur trade ya better think again.=20 Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here.=20 Crazy Cyot=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0F7EE.B6FD3AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy, there were 4 bands of Shoshone.  Only the Sheepeaters = used the=20 headwaters of the Yellowstone during the time of the trappers from 1825 = - - 1840=20 and they did not use horses.
 
The Blackfeet were west of the = Yellowstone and=20 north.  The Bloods you mention were as far as 600 miles north of = the=20 present day Canadian border.  As I said none of my Crow friends = have any=20 recollection of mules in their family history which is still going = on.  The=20 Crows held the most horses on the northern plains before the Sioux=20 intrusion.  The Crow traded with the Shoshone and others over 400 = miles=20 south and west of here.  I have read the book.  What I am = saying is=20 that I have not found any indication of trappers use of mules in the = Rocky=20 Mountain Fur Trade north of the Yellowstone and south of the Missouri = from the=20 time of Coulter to 1840.
Walt

Walt
The Shoshoni called the head waters of the = Yellowstone home=20 and were one of
the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of = now=20 Yellowstone Park.
Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep = eaters=20 there.
The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The = Horse in=20 Blackfoot
Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book. =
Some=20 more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief prior = to=20
1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed = to have=20
owned as many as 60 mules at one time.
Weasel Tail claimed = that Blood=20 Indians early learned from the Nez Perce how
these hybrids were = bred from=20 the union of a mare and a donkey.
Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, = claimed=20 to have stolen six mules from the
Crow in the days of intertribal = warfare.=20
The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles. =
Wilson=20 indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals.
Walt =
The=20 Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The Hidatsa = and=20
Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and = mules for=20 the
northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow = were=20 always at
war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying = the=20 Crow did not
have or use mules during the fur trade ya better = think again.=20
Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here.
Crazy Cyot=20
- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0F7EE.B6FD3AE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:06:39 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can <> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:19:06 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can Dang - didn't mean to send that last one 'til it was finished.. Let me start again: RJ <> I have had some that were my grandmas that I know went back into the 1800s, but I doubt to the fur trade. She saved them as berry pails to harvest chokecherries. I will tell you a tale, however: In 1976 or '77, Lance Grabowski was preparing to ride the old Jed Smith trip from the south end of Bear Lake (they didn't know then that he had started from Soda Springs, Idaho) to San Bernardino. Before he left I gave him a one quart tin cup and one of those lard pails you mention. He appeared grateful for them. By the end of the trip his horse had rolled on the lard pail and destroyed it leaving the tin cup as his only utensil. The pail served him well while it lasted. What amazes me is that you have lard pails. The only place I see them anymore is in antique stores. I think there is a message there somewhere that when antique stores carry for stock in trade the things a person once bought new - that is a sign that some of that persons friends are getting old. Sincerely Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:02:07 -0700 From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can I found a tin pail with a bail in the paint dept of our local dept store. I do not know the lard pail size, but this one was about 2 QTs ans sold for under $3. Nick De Santis - -----Original Message----- From: SWzypher@aol.com [mailto:SWzypher@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:07 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can <> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:15:05 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. At 12:03 PM 06/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: What I am saying is that I have not found any indication of trappers use of mules in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade north of the Yellowstone and south of the Missouri from the time of Coulter to 1840. >Walt Hell, of course there weren't any mules used by the trappers up there! The Metis stole them all to pull their carts down to build Fort Hall....... Allen Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:43:33 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stretching a beaver pelt; Santa Fe Trail encampment, etc. I'm working at Bent's Old Fort this summer as a seasonal ranger, and I need some advice as I'm much more a historian than a buckskinner. Last weekend I skinned a beaver at the fort, and did a fair job of it since it wasn't the first critter I'd skinned by any means (but the first beaver I'd done, and most of the other animals had been "sheath skinned".) Anyway, I put the pelt in the freezer until round two. 1) I need to build a willow hoop 2) I need to stretch it round on said hoop. Any advice you gentlemen (and ladies) may have on these projects would be greatly appreciated. Also, the Santa Fe Trail Encampment is on for July 27, 28, 29th and the camping will be on Timpas Crk. on the Comanche Nat'l Grasslands. This site is (I'm told) right astraddle the Santa Fe Tr. and perhaps near the place where Marcellin St. Vrain's pack train got ambushed by Pawnee raiders in the early '30s. I'm hoping some veteran buckskinners will come out for the doin's, as I could use some constructive criticism. Thanks, John R. Sweet - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:23:54 -0500 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stretching a beaver I make a willow hoop just big enough that the pelt fastened from the nose at the top of hoop hangs just about 1-1/2" (or so) beyond the bottom of hoop. I then poke holes in the hide around the edges of the hide about every inch to inch and one half apart. I then use rawhide lace or sisal rope/twine running thru the holes and looping around the hoop until hide is tight and evenly spaced all the way around hoop. Allow it to dry. P.S. - Be sure to flesh the hide thoroughly before stretching. YMOS Douglas Hepner - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stretching a beaver pelt; Santa Fe Trail encampment, etc. > > I'm working at Bent's Old Fort this summer as a seasonal ranger, and I need > some advice as I'm much more a historian than a buckskinner. Last weekend I > skinned a beaver at the fort, and did a fair job of it since it wasn't the > first critter I'd skinned by any means (but the first beaver I'd done, and > most of the other animals had been "sheath skinned".) > > Anyway, I put the pelt in the freezer until round two. 1) I need to build a > willow hoop 2) I need to stretch it round on said hoop. Any advice you > gentlemen (and ladies) may have on these projects would be greatly > appreciated. > > Also, the Santa Fe Trail Encampment is on for July 27, 28, 29th and the > camping will be on Timpas Crk. on the Comanche Nat'l Grasslands. This site > is (I'm told) right astraddle the Santa Fe Tr. and perhaps near the place > where Marcellin St. Vrain's pack train got ambushed by Pawnee raiders in the > early '30s. > > I'm hoping some veteran buckskinners will come out for the doin's, as I could > use some constructive criticism. > > Thanks, > > John R. Sweet > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:28:47 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can In a message dated 6/18/01 2:20:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SWzypher@aol.com writes: << hen antique stores carry for stock in trade the things a person once bought new - that is a sign that some of that persons friends are getting old. >> But sir...I am a mere sprout of 31...or an old man in mountain terms Living in the south...there a still a few folks who regularly butcher hogs and render the lard. You got to know where to look but they are still available. Did your grandma's have the little "bubbles" that held the ends of the bails to the side of the bucket without actually piercing the sides of the bucket? I know the tin is PC..I was wanting to know the style was correct or not. Capt, Lahti made a good point about just using them...but I have no juried events out here nearby. Most folks just take it upon themselves to do it right as possible with the resources they have and leave off what they do not or cannot do right. That was the real gist of my desire to know if the can was basically the same as "back then". Besides, the shiny new tin reflects the pretty glow of my camp-mates' authentic cheeto colored warshirt! (Just kidding - the georgia rangers would NEVER do that) - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:50:41 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can In a message dated 6/18/1 9:29:49 PM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: <<.I am a mere sprout of 31...or an old man in mountain terms Living in the south...there a still a few folks who regularly butcher hogs and render the lard. You got to know where to look but they are still available. >> O.K., Sprout . . . I'd like to pursue this a bit. I used to live in the South (N.C. & Va.) so am familiar with home kilt hawgs, smoked hams and fantastic sausage and such. Now are you telling me that within these circles there is still a source for old timie lard buckets. Hoping your answer is "Yes", my next question is, "Where?". Most sincerly Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:06:54 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can Richard James wrote: >Now are you telling me that within these circles there is still a source for old timie lard buckets. Hoping your answer is "Yes", my next question is, "Where?". Lehamn's Harware In Kidron Ohio has them. www.lehmans.com Bubba O'Leary's General Store, Chimney Rock, NC also has them. http://www.chimney-rock.com/crg_shopping.htm#bubbas Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:11:52 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Allen: LeRoy Haffen says that 4 out of 5 involved in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade were Metis. I have a son in law who cut the tipi poles for Dances With Wolves. His name is Evans. He is a mixed blood. Walt > What I am saying is that I have not found any indication of trappers use of > mules in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade north of the Yellowstone and south of > the Missouri from the time of Coulter to 1840. > >Walt > > Hell, of course there weren't any mules used by the trappers up there! The > Metis stole them all to pull their carts down to build Fort Hall....... > > > Allen > Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:20:39 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - --part1_a8.16fdb353.28603b27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt I give up, your right! I forgot about the Rocky Mountain, Yellowstone and Missouri River triangle. Where no Trapper dared to take his mule. They could ride any where else in these here Mountains on there mule in safety. But to enter that triangle and they would never be heard from again. That is why they all got rid of there mules before entering that area. See ya on the trail with A very big grin Crazy Cyot - --part1_a8.16fdb353.28603b27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt
I give up, your right!
I forgot about the Rocky Mountain, Yellowstone and Missouri River triangle.
Where no Trapper dared to take his mule. They could ride any where else in
these here Mountains on there mule in safety. But to enter that triangle and
they would never be heard from again. That is why they all got rid of there
mules before entering that area.
See ya on the trail with
A very big grin
Crazy Cyot - --part1_a8.16fdb353.28603b27_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:44:18 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0F850.975B7780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy: It is a good thing to recognize the powerful influence the Falls Indians = had on the American trappers in the area being discussed. They drove = John Coulter out of the Yellowstone Country. Broke up Lisa's business. = Got the Immel and Jones party. Rubbed out Rose. Caused great concern = to the large winter camp of mountain men during the winter of 1836-1837. = Right up to the end of the 1840 demise of the rendezvous style of Rocky = Mountain fur trappers system they were tough, predatory and fierce in = force upon the American trappers. Headed to the Little Big Horn friday through monday. Another good place = to camp among the Crows. Walt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Walt=20 I give up, your right!=20 I forgot about the Rocky Mountain, Yellowstone and Missouri River = triangle.=20 Where no Trapper dared to take his mule. They could ride any where = else in=20 these here Mountains on there mule in safety. But to enter that = triangle and=20 they would never be heard from again. That is why they all got rid of = there=20 mules before entering that area.=20 See ya on the trail with=20 A very big grin=20 Crazy Cyot=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0F850.975B7780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy:
 
It is a good thing to recognize the = powerful=20 influence the Falls Indians had on the American trappers in the area = being=20 discussed.  They drove John Coulter out of the Yellowstone = Country. =20 Broke up Lisa's business.  Got the Immel and Jones party.  = Rubbed out=20 Rose.  Caused great concern to the large winter camp of mountain = men during=20 the winter of 1836-1837.  Right up to the end of the 1840 demise of = the=20 rendezvous style of Rocky Mountain fur trappers system they were tough,=20 predatory and fierce in force upon the American trappers.
 
Headed to the Little Big Horn friday = through=20 monday.  Another good place to camp among the Crows.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GazeingCyot@cs.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 = 11:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules = north of=20 the yellowstone.

Walt
I = give up,=20 your right!
I forgot about the Rocky Mountain, Yellowstone and = Missouri=20 River triangle.
Where no Trapper dared to take his mule. They = could ride=20 any where else in
these here Mountains on there mule in safety. = But to=20 enter that triangle and
they would never be heard from again. That = is why=20 they all got rid of there
mules before entering that area.
See = ya on=20 the trail with
A very big grin
Crazy Cyot=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0F850.975B7780-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:15:06 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Walt, Now I could not let that one slide, I just found out that I am Metis. My Grandmother was Swedish and my Grandfather was Danish. Cool! YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "Walt Foster" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 9:11 PM > >Allen: > >LeRoy Haffen says that 4 out of 5 involved in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade >were Metis. > >I have a son in law who cut the tipi poles for Dances With Wolves. His name >is Evans. >He is a mixed blood. >Walt > > > >> What I am saying is that I have not found any indication of trappers use >of >> mules in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade north of the Yellowstone and south >of >> the Missouri from the time of Coulter to 1840. >> >Walt >> >> Hell, of course there weren't any mules used by the trappers up there! >The >> Metis stole them all to pull their carts down to build Fort Hall....... >> >> >> Allen >> Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - -- "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Walt, > Now I could not let that one slide, I just found out > that I am Metis. My > Grandmother was Swedish and my Grandfather was > Danish. Cool! > YMOS > Ole # 718 At least half of your heritage is good, the Danish half. As for the swedish side.....I forgive ya BTW where was your grandfather from?, do you Know any other Family on your Danish side? My Great Grandfather owned a Dairy Farm in Duluth Minn. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:39:33 -0600 From: Charlie Webb Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tribute Mike, Many thanks for your information and efforts. I am indebted to you for this one, will square with you when next our trails cross. T.J. was an inspiration, I will miss him and his Winter Song. Thanks again!!! Charlie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:52:36 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Artist information?? I have two original oil paintings which I purchased about 20-25 years ago during my artwork buying binge. One is by David Kemp and the other by John Stanford. Both are of moutain men in the Rockies. Kemp's picture portrays a lone man standing on a ridge, dressed in buckskins and leaning on his rifle. There is an elk rack slung over his horse in the background. Stanford's picture is of two mountain men ahorse, leading a laden pack animal across a snowy high mountain meadow. They are clad in capotes and their Hawken style rifles slung across the saddle horn. Is anyone familiar with either of these artists? I would assume them to be from out west somewhere because of the content and would appreciate knowing anything about them. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:43:32 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Chris, I am Danish, born in Odense Denmark. Most of my family is still in Denmark. My Uncle owns a dairy farm in Vaebeck just north of Copenhagen and my second uncle owns a farm north of Odense.As for me I am as American as I can be. To make a long question go away Most trapers were half Indian and something else but that does not make them Metis unless you interpet Metis as half breed. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: Chris Sega >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. >Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2001, 8:28 AM > >-- "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: >> Walt, >> Now I could not let that one slide, I just found out >> that I am Metis. My >> Grandmother was Swedish and my Grandfather was >> Danish. Cool! >> YMOS >> Ole # 718 > >At least half of your heritage is good, the Danish >half. As for the swedish side.....I forgive ya >BTW where was your grandfather from?, do you Know any >other Family on your Danish side? My Great >Grandfather owned a Dairy Farm in Duluth Minn. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. >http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:25:40 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. At 10:11 PM 06/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: >LeRoy Haffen says that 4 out of 5 involved in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade >were Metis. Exactly where is this found? >I have a son in law who cut the tipi poles for Dances With Wolves. His name >is Evans.>He is a mixed blood. And this means.................. Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:16:46 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500 Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in days. Are we down or does everybody actually have a life? Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #819 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.