From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #832 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, July 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 832 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       MtMan-List: Hobble Stones -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -       Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin -       Re: MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin -       Re: MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin -       Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches -       Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches -       Re: MtMan-List: More Mules! -       Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:54:21 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning No sense in complicating a simple operation. > Modern life is complicated enough as it is without cluttering up our "hobby" > with modern ideas too.> Capt. Lahti' > (newly back from the Slopes of the Shinin' Mountains high up on the N. Fork > Flathead) > Hey Roger, are you talking Pole Bridge? I shot ML's with list member TOF today on Clark Bottom. Actual history related to Clark of the Lewis and Clark Expetition and the American Mountain Men that camped in the longest camp I know of recorded in Montana. I cleaned my ML with 2 mouth fulls of water and used neatsfoot as ususal. Knee and joint oil was immediately available. How about that olive oil. Ain't she sweet.VBG Walt Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:55:43 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Hobble Stones They are an interesting idea. The use of hobble stones as by the amish is one of the ways that the buckaroos train a horse to ground tie, but carrying along a lot rocks seems a waste if traveling very far. As for tieing on to regular hobbles that has possibilties. It could sore up an animal quick if he did not figure them out fast enough. The other advise with hobbles is to get the ones that are real short between the front feet to much room and a horse can really travel. Most of those expensive things in the tack shops are useless. Anyway, I wonder how long a tether you would put between the hobble and the rock My guess is the rock is smooth and about 4" by 2" with a narrow spot in the middle? Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:54:07 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning > Hey Roger, are you talking Pole Bridge? > I shot ML's with list member TOF today on Clark Bottom. Yes, Polebridge. Was there from a week ago Friday to Thursday morning this week. Had a great time and did get to meet TOF Wednesday when we finally connected. Nice guy. Wish I had felt better and we could have spent more time together. > > I cleaned my ML with 2 mouth fulls of water and used neatsfoot as ususal. > Knee and joint oil was immediately available. How about that olive oil. > Ain't she sweet.VBG Actually I don't know why they call it "sweet oil". I was taking a sip of "spirits" at bed time while up at the "Pacifics" a couple weeks back out of my copper flask. Woke up early morning before dawn one day and grabbed the wrong flask, the one with "sweet oil" in it! Let me tell you, that is a wakeup call! Slides down easy but that's all there is to be said for it taken straight. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:10:51 +0800 From: buck_conner@email.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones Set em' straight brother, Isn't government policy amazing, doesn't matter if it was 200 years ago, Vietnan or today, all our elected officials know is send in the troops, and who pays for it - we do. Either with our lives, someone elses or our pocket books, then history gets recorded several different ways. Thanks Ole for keeping the books straight. Buck. __________________________________ > Mark, > The U.S. Army was sen't out to put down a Mormon uprising in the 1850's. The > uprising did not exist, but Brigam Young figured that the U.S. had declared > war on the Mormons. To keep the Army from doing it's work Brigham Young sent > a detatchment of Militia to scorch the earth in front of the Army to keep > supplies and animal feed from them. Fort Bridger had been sold to the > Mormons earlier so when they burned it down, they were burning there own > property. Hell's gate I do not know about but it was destroyed for the same > reason. There was also a large convoy of supplies following the army that > the mormon's destroyed by loosing the animals and burning the wagons. It is > interesting that Bill Cody was an employee of the convoy when it was > destroyed. By destroying the supply train the Army ground to a halt and dam > near starved to death during the winter. > YMOS > Ole # 718 > ---------- > From: MarkLoader@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 8:21 PM > > > John > You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum > explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs > when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is > just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a > clay > pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just > west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was > burnt does anyone have any information on it. > Better to count rib than horse tracks > Mark 'Roadkill" Loader > - -- Take care, Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rival the best - Surpass the rest". ___________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:57:00 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones In a message dated 7/21/01 4:12:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, buck_conner@email.com writes: << who pays for it - we do. Either with our lives, someone elses or our pocket books, >> It struck me odd in '72 that I sent in enough in income taxes to pay my Air Force's Sgt's wage for one month -- well, it was a few bucks over what I made. Guess the bean counters had to get their cut, huh? NM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:56:59 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning In a message dated 7/21/01 9:54:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << grabbed the wrong flask, the one with "sweet oil" in it! Let me tell you, that is a wakeup call! Slides down easy but that's all there is to be said for it taken straight. >> Nor is there much "sweet" about the after effects! NM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:13:47 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin need some help guys, Found some mildew on some of my old skins, whats good to remove it? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:38:22 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin In a message dated 7/22/01 8:14:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Traphand@aol.com writes: << Found some mildew on some of my old skins, whats good to remove it? >> Best bet is to contact Matt Richards at Braintan.com and ask him about the dilemna. At first whack, it seems a weak acid solution of watered down vinegar may work but Matt or one of his close cronies could point you in the right direction. Course good ol' sunlight may help too!!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:15:02 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mildew on buckskin > << Found some mildew on some of my old skins, whats good > to remove it? >> ************* > At first whack, it seems a weak acid solution of watered down vinegar may > work I had the same thing happen to my skins when I lived in Florida. I used a 50/50 vinegar and water mix and it took it right off. Put them in the sun to dry.... No problem... Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:14:13 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches Magpie, Yesterday, seen another orginal sketch at the Denver Art Museum. "Indian Guide" , 1837, if I remember right. Seventh floor, had not seen it before. mike. SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > Hallo the List, > > Does anyone know where the original sketches done by Alfred Miller are > located? I think someone once said they were in France somewhere, and I've > got a kid over there that would take some pictures of them, if she knew where > to go.... > > Ymos, > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:27:07 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches Mike, Could you describe what "The Indian Guide" looked like? I hear tell that someone had recently "Discovered" a Miller painting that shows some very different dress styles than most of his painting. Maybe this is the painting. "Teton" Todd D. Glover http://homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:22:05 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More Mules! - --------------01D501338FF407547540F91F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chance, Hate to dig up a old subject, but found a refernce you might like. It is from Hiram Chittenden's volume two, page915. "In compliance with your request in relation to my manner of equipping and moving paries of men through Indian country in the course of general excurions to the Rocky Mountains, I will observe that, as mules are as much the best animals for packing heavy burthens, each man has charge of two of them for the purpose and one horse to ride." Thomas Forsyth's letter to Lewis Cass 1833 He goes on to describe the equipment and organization of the party. mike. Chance Tiffie wrote: > Good stuff Allen!!! Two more points for the misunderstood mule.Cliff > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ---------------------- hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------01D501338FF407547540F91F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chance,
    Hate to dig up a old subject, but found a refernce you might like.
It is from Hiram Chittenden's volume two, page915.
    "In compliance with your request in relation to my manner of equipping and moving paries of men through Indian country in the course of general excurions to the Rocky Mountains, I will observe that, as mules are as much the best animals for packing heavy burthens, each man has charge of two of them for the purpose and one horse to ride."
                              Thomas Forsyth's letter to Lewis Cass  1833
He goes on to describe the equipment and organization of the party.
                                                mike.
 

Chance Tiffie wrote:

Good stuff Allen!!! Two more points for the misunderstood mule.Cliff


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- --------------01D501338FF407547540F91F-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:29:41 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches In a message dated 7/22/01 9:23:02 PM, amm1616@earthlink.net writes: << Yesterday, seen another orginal sketch at the Denver Art Museum. "Indian Guide" , 1837, if I remember right. Seventh floor, had not seen it before. >> Thanks Mike, I've checked the web a bit and not much to be found on Miller...and no luck on the orignal sketch book. I'm gonna get Rex Normans "The 1837 Schetchbook of the Western Fur Trade" ...it's got a lot of Miller's drawings in it. I need it for reference and ideas on stuff to make... Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #832 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.