From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #851 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, September 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 851 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights -       Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights -       MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag? -       Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights -       MtMan-List: Quilts -       Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ???? -       Re: MtMan-List: Quilts -       Re: MtMan-List: Quilts -       Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag? -       Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days -       MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights -       Re: MtMan-List: Quilts -       MtMan-List: The possibles bag -       Re: MtMan-List: The possibles bag -       Re: MtMan-List: The possibles bag -       Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 02:41:09 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights Howdy boys,(and ladies if there's any about) When we talk about (original) rear sights on smoothies it is important to state what kind of smoothie we're talking about. The only trade gun that came from the factory with a rear sight that I know about is the so called "Type D" Trade Gun. There is one french trade gun that I know of that has a rear sight from a "Type D" English trade gun. I doubt seriously that it was installed at the French Armory, probably a period addition by the owner. Smooth rifles, on the other hand,(guns w/rifle architecture and furniture but no rifling) almost always had rear sights. I hope this helps clarify things a little bit. Don in the Ohio Country >From: "Addison Miller" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: , "Muzzle Loader Mailing List" > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:13:32 -0400 > > > If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned > > from most primitive matches today? It seems to me that such banning is a > > 'not-authentic' ruling by those wishing most to preserve history >correctly. > > Frank G. Fusco > >When I raised this same subject to NMLRA, I was told that even though rear >sights on smoothies WERE period correct, they felt it was unfair to have a >competetion where some had sights and some didn't... and instead of making >TWO matches, they said "No rear sights"... I was at the MFT as well, and >have pictures on my web site of original smoothies and trade guns WITH >original rear sights. ( www.geocities.com/ronnyvous ) > >Ad Miller >Alderson, WV > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:32:04 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights Well Don... I have a repro of the Chiefs Trade Gun (fancy for presentation to a Chief and .62 cal) several like it at MFT, and guess what... mine has a factory installed rear sight, and so does the original ones at the museum. I talked to a very nice lady there, and she said that yes, it was original, and yes, it came with rear sights. There were some there that had obviously had them added later, however. Even showed me some paperwork on the items. Wish I had gotten a copy of it... DOH!!! Maybe this is the type you are talking about ? Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 22:54:05 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag? I have read several answers and I am finding it interesting to see what is carried but I have a couple of questions. Now I aint picking on anybody just curious about some things. 1. Where is the tiolet paper kept if not in this bag? 2. I get the impression that some are carrying two or more pouches or bags, in the pictures of Millers I see only one bag anywhere and no belt pouches. Miller isn't everything but I wonder if that bothers those who choose that route. 3. I find myself wondering if it makes a big difference to the content if you are frequently horseback as compared to footing it or floating? I wouldn't bother with a cup or cooking container or lead laddle although I might regret it ifn I fall off my horse somewhere. So if anybody wants to get back at me for my own inconsistancies here is my bags contents. Toilet paper Compass (Not even close to period correct) Ball pouch Couple lengths of pillow ticking 1" wide Antler powder measure Capper Fire kit in altoids tin with Flints Steel Char Piece of leather to seperate things Cloth to keep things tight Pretty good size bag of tinder Buckskin wallet with T/C nipple tool Short piece of thin wire Cleaning patches Leather wangs Extra caps & ticking Often times I also have Camera Wallet Keys to truck Pencil & papers Folding knife Edibles Plunder (I refer to things I find while out and about like huckleberries, kamas, tinder, business cards, etc) What I need but have not found yet: Period container of oil - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 04:49:58 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights Howdy Addison, It might be. Help me out here. who made your repro? Was it a kit gun someone put together for you? If it is a kit gun, whose kit is it? If you have the book"s of Buckskinning, is there a picture of your gun in the articles written by Hanson? Later, Don, from the Ohio Country >From: "Addison Miller" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:32:04 -0400 > >Well Don... I have a repro of the Chiefs Trade Gun (fancy for presentation >to a Chief and .62 cal) several like it at MFT, and guess what... mine has >a >factory installed rear sight, and so does the original ones at the museum. >I talked to a very nice lady there, and she said that yes, it was original, >and yes, it came with rear sights. There were some there that had >obviously >had them added later, however. Even showed me some paperwork on the items. >Wish I had gotten a copy of it... DOH!!! Maybe this is the type you are >talking about ? > >Ad Miller >Alderson, WV > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 23:00:05 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Quilts Were quilts taken to the mountains or just plain wool blankets? I find myself wondering if a wool blanket used as a liner with two layers of tight weave cloth around it would not make for a little more air tight bed on winter nights. Wynn Ormond PS I forgot to sign the last post. It was from me not the wife. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 06:39:02 -0400 From: "David Brown" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ???? As little as possible. David Brown & Kristin Poulsen Wollendael 4419 Gore-Subligna Rd. Summerville, GA 30747 "If you're going through hell, keep going." - --Winston Churchill dbrown@wavegate.com http://www.2crows2.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 06:13:20 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quilts Wynn, Yes, I know of one quilt that made it west, a bed conforter is found in the estate list of James Baird (1826). mike. Gretchen Ormond wrote: > Were quilts taken to the mountains or just plain wool blankets? I find > myself wondering if a wool blanket used as a liner with two layers of > tight weave cloth around it would not make for a little more air tight > bed on winter nights. > > Wynn Ormond > > PS I forgot to sign the last post. It was from me not the wife. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:41:17 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quilts Darn, l was thinking that was one hell of a woman to carry all that stuff and the toilet paper too. Linda Holley Gretchen Ormond wrote: > Were quilts taken to the mountains or just plain wool blankets? I find > myself wondering if a wool blanket used as a liner with two layers of > tight weave cloth around it would not make for a little more air tight > bed on winter nights. > > Wynn Ormond > > PS I forgot to sign the last post. It was from me not the wife. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:55:36 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag? > 1. Where is the tiolet paper kept if not in this bag? ROFL!!! Ok... good point :) I do carry some... just neglected to mention it... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:58:22 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days - --part1_15c.5a4267.28c4e67e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are going to be in Eureka, it's just west on HWY 412 then a little north. Much closer Joe - --part1_15c.5a4267.28c4e67e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are going to be in Eureka, it's just west on HWY 412 then a little
north.  Much closer

                                                      Joe - --part1_15c.5a4267.28c4e67e_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:44:49 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights Tom said, <. What I do recall (as I have an interest in rear sights) was a chisled notch across the barrel just forward of the breech with said notch having a fine groove filed at the center, thus creating a rear sight.> Right, Tom, you just said it clearer than I did. And, I'll agree that what makes something "common" is open to debate. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:09:06 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quilts - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gretchen Ormond To: Hist mail Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Quilts > Were quilts taken to the mountains or just plain wool blankets? Wynn, Never read any accounts or journals or ledgers showing quilts for sale or quilts mentioned as being part of a gear list, etc. Just blankets. Actually a lot of buffalo robes mentioned. I find > myself wondering if a wool blanket used as a liner with two layers of > tight weave cloth around it would not make for a little more air tight > bed on winter nights. You really don't need to stitch those layers together and you don't need the inside layer. I find that almost any weight of tightly woven cloth on the outside of my blankets immeasurably increases the insulation value of the blanket or blankets (depending on how cold it is getting, you know, summer vice winter) just by the fact that this layer keeps the air from circulating around and through the wool. Probably why a buffalo rob is as warm as it is, (the leather acts as an air barrier). Some thought has been given to sewing a layer of cloth on the outside of a blanket or two blankets in the manner of a quilt, but that just reduces the versatility of the blankets and the cloth, making them inseparable and together much heavier. Much simpler to just wrap yourself in a "bedroll" of cloth with a blanket or two folded up inside. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 12:21:12 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: MtMan-List: The possibles bag This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13472.EB889F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before we can truly answer what is contained with in a "possibles" = bag let's clarify terms. A "possibles" bag contains items that you need = to make it "possible" for you to survive in the wilderness. It is NOT a = shooting bag. A "shooting bag" contains items for the care and feeding = of the rifle or smoothbore of your choice. I own several and have a = designated bag for each long arm (and one for the pistol). =20 An argument can be made that some survival items (like flint and = steel) should be carried in the shooting bag or even extra bar lead. I = wear a "tool belt" that carries two knives (One small "camp" knife and a = large multipurpose blade), a flint and steel pouch and a "government = papers" pouch that also contains a hard leather case holding my period = shooting spectacles. The "government" bag carries my fire permit, my = hunting and fishing license and, sometimes, the truck keys. I detest = carrying non-19th century material so, usually, my keys stay back near = the truck buried under a rock. I'm stuck with the damn paperwork. The = lead goes in the possibles bag if in bar form or in my shooting bag if = in ball shape or in my shot snake if I'm carrying the trade gun. Now then, what are you doing out there? Are you hunting? Are you = just some wealthy farmer with an estate in upper Manhattan and are going = out for the day to pop a grouse, rabbit or squirrel for the pot? Then = your shooting bag is small with a tiny "day" horn filled with just the = minimum to keep your fowler in working order. Your "possibles" bag = contains your lunch complete with a bottle of your favorite "relaxing" = agent. You don't carry a blanket, flint or steel or anything else = because its just a short walk back to your house where the family and = servants are awaiting your return. If you are on an extended trapping expedition and are required to = make your living off of "beaver dollars", you're probably trailing a = string of pack horses that carry your "business" on their backs. Those = beasties are carrying the bulk of your "possibles" and the horse you're = riding is wearing your sleeping bag under his saddle. Let me give you a scenario that is near and dear to my heart because = it is required of me as a member of the American Mountain Men: It is just before daybreak in the Southern California mountains. The = Autumn sky is just beginning to lighten. You park your truck off the = road in a State forest and hang that cursed "Forest Adventure Pass" from = your rear-view mirror so the damn rangers won't tow your vehicle away. = Then you dress yourself in all the gear necessary for a 19th century = Mountain Man to survive in the wilderness for three full days and two = nights. No horses. You will walk two miles into the forest away from = the road and your vehicle returning at dusk on the evening of the third = day. =20 What do you carry with you? What's on your back, in your hand and = riding in your possibles bag. Now here's the "kicker". You must be = prepared for all eventualities (given locale, terrain and time of year). I carry too much stuff for a reasonably fit 50 year-old man. What = would YOU need? Looking forward to your response. "Shoots the Prairie" Larry Huber #1517 - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13472.EB889F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Before we can truly = answer what=20 is contained with in a "possibles" bag let's clarify terms.  A = "possibles"=20 bag contains items that you need to make it "possible" for you to = survive=20 in the wilderness.  It is NOT a shooting bag.  A "shooting = bag"=20 contains items for the care and feeding of the rifle or smoothbore of = your=20 choice.  I own several and have a designated bag for each long arm = (and one=20 for the pistol). 
    An argument can be = made that=20 some survival items (like flint and steel) should be carried in the = shooting bag=20 or even extra bar lead.  I wear a "tool belt" that carries two = knives=20 (One small "camp" knife and a large multipurpose blade), a flint and = steel pouch=20 and a "government papers" pouch that also contains a hard leather case = holding=20 my period shooting spectacles.  The "government" bag carries my = fire=20 permit, my hunting and fishing license and, sometimes, the truck = keys.  I=20 detest carrying non-19th century material so, usually, my keys stay back = near=20 the truck buried under a rock.  I'm stuck with the damn = paperwork. =20 The lead goes in the possibles bag if in bar form or in my shooting = bag if=20 in ball shape or in my shot snake if I'm carrying the trade = gun.
    Now then, what are = you doing out=20 there?  Are you hunting?  Are you just some wealthy farmer = with an=20 estate in upper Manhattan and are going out for the day to pop a grouse, = rabbit=20 or squirrel for the pot?   Then your shooting bag is small = with a tiny=20 "day" horn filled with just the minimum to keep your fowler in working=20 order.  Your "possibles" bag contains your lunch complete with = a=20 bottle of your favorite "relaxing" agent. You don't carry a = blanket, flint=20 or steel or anything else because its just a short walk back to your = house where=20 the family and servants are awaiting your return.
    If you are on an = extended=20 trapping expedition and are required to make your living off of "beaver=20 dollars", you're probably trailing a string of pack horses that carry = your=20 "business" on their backs.  Those beasties are carrying the bulk of = your=20 "possibles" and the horse you're riding is wearing your sleeping bag = under his=20 saddle.
    Let me give you a = scenario that=20 is near and dear to my heart because it is required of me as a member of = the=20 American Mountain Men:
 It is just before daybreak in the = Southern=20 California mountains. The Autumn sky is just beginning to lighten.  = You=20 park your truck off the road in a State forest and hang that cursed = "Forest=20 Adventure Pass" from your rear-view mirror so the damn rangers won't tow = your=20 vehicle away.  Then you dress yourself in all the gear necessary = for a 19th=20 century Mountain Man to survive in the wilderness for three full days = and two=20 nights.  No horses.  You will walk two miles into the forest = away from=20 the road and your vehicle returning at dusk on the evening of the third=20 day.  
    What do you carry = with=20 you?  What's on your back, in your hand and riding in your = possibles=20 bag.  Now here's the "kicker".  You must be prepared for all=20 eventualities (given locale, terrain and time of year).
    I carry too much = stuff for a=20 reasonably fit 50 year-old man.  What would YOU need?
 
Looking forward to your = response.
 
"Shoots the Prairie" Larry Huber=20 #1517
- ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13472.EB889F00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:43:20 -0500 From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The possibles bag This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C13486.C6D9A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry and Members of the Liste, A number of you carry bar lead. My question is why. I can understand needing a ball mold, one can trade = for extra lead when low on balls at a rendezvous if lucky, and the mold = is surely needed at that point. But why bar lead? Why not carry an = equivalent number of ready made balls? Same weight, and ready to use. Would appreciate some insight. regards, Paul - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C13486.C6D9A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Larry and Members of the = Liste,
 
A number of you carry bar = lead.
 
My question is why.  I can understand = needing a=20 ball mold, one can trade for extra lead when low on balls at a = rendezvous if=20 lucky, and the mold is surely needed at that point.  But why bar=20 lead?  Why not carry an equivalent number of ready made = balls?  Same=20 weight, and ready to use.
 
Would appreciate some = insight.
 
regards,
 
Paul
- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C13486.C6D9A960-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:22:50 -0400 From: "cd252" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The possibles bag This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C13494.AD74C640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all for replying to my post "What exactly do you carry in your = possibles bag" I appreciate your time in responding. Also, Thank you "Larry" for this follow up post regarding "The = possibles bag" and your scenario...great idea! Peace to all, Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Huber=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: MtMan-List: The possibles bag Before we can truly answer what is contained with in a "possibles" = bag let's clarify terms. A "possibles" bag contains items that you need = to make it "possible" for you to survive in the wilderness. It is NOT a = shooting bag. A "shooting bag" contains items for the care and feeding = of the rifle or smoothbore of your choice. I own several and have a = designated bag for each long arm (and one for the pistol). =20 An argument can be made that some survival items (like flint and = steel) should be carried in the shooting bag or even extra bar lead. I = wear a "tool belt" that carries two knives (One small "camp" knife and a = large multipurpose blade), a flint and steel pouch and a "government = papers" pouch that also contains a hard leather case holding my period = shooting spectacles. The "government" bag carries my fire permit, my = hunting and fishing license and, sometimes, the truck keys. I detest = carrying non-19th century material so, usually, my keys stay back near = the truck buried under a rock. I'm stuck with the damn paperwork. The = lead goes in the possibles bag if in bar form or in my shooting bag if = in ball shape or in my shot snake if I'm carrying the trade gun. Now then, what are you doing out there? Are you hunting? Are you = just some wealthy farmer with an estate in upper Manhattan and are going = out for the day to pop a grouse, rabbit or squirrel for the pot? Then = your shooting bag is small with a tiny "day" horn filled with just the = minimum to keep your fowler in working order. Your "possibles" bag = contains your lunch complete with a bottle of your favorite "relaxing" = agent. You don't carry a blanket, flint or steel or anything else = because its just a short walk back to your house where the family and = servants are awaiting your return. If you are on an extended trapping expedition and are required to = make your living off of "beaver dollars", you're probably trailing a = string of pack horses that carry your "business" on their backs. Those = beasties are carrying the bulk of your "possibles" and the horse you're = riding is wearing your sleeping bag under his saddle. Let me give you a scenario that is near and dear to my heart = because it is required of me as a member of the American Mountain Men: It is just before daybreak in the Southern California mountains. The = Autumn sky is just beginning to lighten. You park your truck off the = road in a State forest and hang that cursed "Forest Adventure Pass" from = your rear-view mirror so the damn rangers won't tow your vehicle away. = Then you dress yourself in all the gear necessary for a 19th century = Mountain Man to survive in the wilderness for three full days and two = nights. No horses. You will walk two miles into the forest away from = the road and your vehicle returning at dusk on the evening of the third = day. =20 What do you carry with you? What's on your back, in your hand and = riding in your possibles bag. Now here's the "kicker". You must be = prepared for all eventualities (given locale, terrain and time of year). I carry too much stuff for a reasonably fit 50 year-old man. What = would YOU need? Looking forward to your response. "Shoots the Prairie" Larry Huber #1517 - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C13494.AD74C640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to all for replying to my post "What exactly = do you=20 carry in your possibles bag"  I appreciate your time in=20 responding.
 
Also, Thank you "Larry" for this  follow = up  post=20 regarding "The possibles bag" and your scenario...great = idea!
 
Peace to all,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry Huber
Sent: Monday, September 03, = 2001 3:21=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: The = possibles=20 bag

    Before we can = truly answer=20 what is contained with in a "possibles" bag let's clarify terms.  = A=20 "possibles" bag contains items that you need to make it = "possible" for=20 you to survive in the wilderness.  It is NOT a shooting = bag.  A=20 "shooting bag" contains items for the care and feeding of the rifle or = smoothbore of your choice.  I own several and have a designated = bag for=20 each long arm (and one for the pistol). 
    An argument can be = made that=20 some survival items (like flint and steel) should be carried in the = shooting=20 bag or even extra bar lead.  I wear a "tool belt" that = carries two=20 knives (One small "camp" knife and a large multipurpose blade), a = flint and=20 steel pouch and a "government papers" pouch that also contains a hard = leather=20 case holding my period shooting spectacles.  The "government" bag = carries=20 my fire permit, my hunting and fishing license and, sometimes, the = truck=20 keys.  I detest carrying non-19th century material so, usually, = my keys=20 stay back near the truck buried under a rock.  I'm stuck with the = damn=20 paperwork.  The lead goes in the possibles bag if in bar = form or in=20 my shooting bag if in ball shape or in my shot snake if I'm carrying = the trade=20 gun.
    Now then, what are = you doing=20 out there?  Are you hunting?  Are you just some wealthy = farmer with=20 an estate in upper Manhattan and are going out for the day to pop a = grouse,=20 rabbit or squirrel for the pot?   Then your shooting bag is = small=20 with a tiny "day" horn filled with just the minimum to keep your = fowler in=20 working order.  Your "possibles" bag contains your = lunch complete=20 with a bottle of your favorite "relaxing" agent. You don't carry = a=20 blanket, flint or steel or anything else because its just a short walk = back to=20 your house where the family and servants are awaiting your=20 return.
    If you are on an = extended=20 trapping expedition and are required to make your living off of = "beaver=20 dollars", you're probably trailing a string of pack horses that carry = your=20 "business" on their backs.  Those beasties are carrying the bulk = of your=20 "possibles" and the horse you're riding is wearing your sleeping bag = under his=20 saddle.
    Let me give you a = scenario=20 that is near and dear to my heart because it is required of me as a = member of=20 the American Mountain Men:
 It is just before daybreak in = the Southern=20 California mountains. The Autumn sky is just beginning to = lighten.  You=20 park your truck off the road in a State forest and hang that cursed = "Forest=20 Adventure Pass" from your rear-view mirror so the damn rangers won't = tow your=20 vehicle away.  Then you dress yourself in all the gear necessary = for a=20 19th century Mountain Man to survive in the wilderness for three full = days and=20 two nights.  No horses.  You will walk two miles into the = forest=20 away from the road and your vehicle returning at dusk on the evening = of the=20 third day.  
    What do you carry = with=20 you?  What's on your back, in your hand and riding in your = possibles=20 bag.  Now here's the "kicker".  You must be prepared for all = eventualities (given locale, terrain and time of year).
    I carry too much = stuff for a=20 reasonably fit 50 year-old man.  What would YOU = need?
 
Looking forward to your = response.
 
"Shoots the Prairie" Larry Huber=20 #1517
- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C13494.AD74C640-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:07:23 -0500 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights I agree with Scott on this issue. This was one of the biggest reasons I dropped out of competition shooting. I wanted to take "buckskinning" to the next level. When I started ro actually research My gear, I found that a lot of acceptable gear is historicaly incorrect and a lot of unacceptable gear IS historicaly correct. A popular example of this is the 1851 model Colt patent revolver these "southwestern" fur hunters are wearing. I read in an article somewhare that this patent was actually in production in Europe (I think England) before 1840, so now they are acceptable in a lot of rendezvous. I'll bet all that I own, that there was not ONE of those revolvers ever made it to a Rocky Mountain Rendezvous prior to 1840. Heck, Jim Bridger wore a suit of armor but we didn't ALL go out and buy one just because they were available prior to 1840. I guess my point is, that an accurate portrayel is more important TO ME, than the competition. Douglas Hepner - ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott mcmahon" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights > Mr. Fusco, > Never understood that rule myself nor have I ever understood rendezvous' > allowing T.C. "Hawkens" with modern sights but banning such period firearms > as 1816 Halls breechloaders or 1830's model Halls breechloading carbines?! > We had a controversy at our local rendezvous a couple of years ago over the > same thing and the only explianation I got was that those guns were just not > "furtrade" guns? I took it to mean that since those running the events > didn't have them they weren't allowed! I've found that furtrade > reenactors/living historians who are really interested in doing things right > are few and far between, at least here in Texas. > Scott McMahon > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > http://inbox.excite.com > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #851 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.