From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: [irr-ed] email addresses Date: 10 Jan 2003 23:46:30 -0800 I'm looking for Tim Slover and Emma Lou Thayne's email addresses. Do any of you have them? I can't locate them. Travis Manning Irreantum Literary Nonfiction editor -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gideon Burton Subject: RE: [irr-ed] email addresses Date: 13 Jan 2003 16:39:16 -0700 Here is snail mail for Tim Slover. Charlotte England may have his email address, or phone number. She might also have Emma Lou Thayne's. Call her at 801 373-1775 Tim Slover Adjunct Asst Professor Theatre Department PERFORMING ARTS BLDG 240 S 1500 EAST RM 206 Gideon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-irreantum- > ed@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Travis K. Manning > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:47 AM > To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [irr-ed] email addresses > > I'm looking for Tim Slover and Emma Lou Thayne's email addresses. Do any > of > you have them? I can't locate them. > > Travis Manning > Irreantum Literary Nonfiction editor > > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database Date: 13 Jan 2003 17:53:05 -0800 Gideon, Thanks for your help! I did receive your critique and want to thank for your most helpful critical and encouraging comments. No, you did not overwhelm. I did stew for a couple days after your comments and Mary Bradford's arrived on the same day!! Yikes. But it's what I needed. I am trying to add an essay writing voice to my repertoire, besides just my sports writer and email voice. I'm leaning toward turning this paper into a personal essay critique, sort of like what you could find as a book intro in an essay anthology, where its personal narration, yet expository and explanatory at the same time. Philip Lopate's voice, in an intro to a new essay collection on Charles Lamb, struck me as fitting and complementary to what I'm trying to do. I like his ability to include biographical info, personal comments, and critical commentary all in one body of text. I don't expect to recognize this baby when I redraft it, I really want to make a legitimate scholarly contribution to Mormon lit with this essay/paper. I hope the new AML website is more helpful with indexing specific AML papers. Even if Eugene England had done a paper on Virginia Sorensen, I can't always call you to ask you to search through your personal AML collection--that's the Lee Library's job. Robert Means from the Lee Library emailed me back and doesn't know how to help me. Robert asked me what you had told me about locating England's Sorensen paper. . . . I'll email him and say we're still looking. I guess we can't always ask him to look through all the _AML Annuals_ either, every time someone *thinks* a paper *might* be in there. Not to beat this into the ground--but can't the Lee Library index individual paper titles in their online database by author, paper title, and subject. It seems that would be very efficient for students and researchers alike. Thanks again for all your help. I hope this feedback helps work out some of the kinks. Travis ****************************** ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:39 PM > Here is snail mail for Tim Slover. Charlotte England may have his email > address, or phone number. She might also have Emma Lou Thayne's. Call > her at 801 373-1775 > > Tim Slover > Adjunct Asst Professor > Theatre Department > PERFORMING ARTS BLDG > 240 S 1500 EAST RM 206 > > Gideon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-irreantum- > > ed@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Travis K. Manning > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:47 AM > > To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [irr-ed] email addresses > > > > I'm looking for Tim Slover and Emma Lou Thayne's email addresses. Do > any > > of > > you have them? I can't locate them. > > > > Travis Manning > > Irreantum Literary Nonfiction editor > > > > > > > > -- > > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database Date: 13 Jan 2003 18:54:04 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BB6F.D1098060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I assume this was just supposed to go to Gideon . . . ? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:53 PM Gideon, Thanks for your help! I did receive your critique and want to thank for your most helpful critical and encouraging comments. No, you did not overwhelm. I did stew for a couple days after your comments and Mary Bradford's arrived on the same day!! Yikes. But it's what I needed. I am trying to add an essay writing voice to my repertoire, besides just my sports writer and email voice. I'm leaning toward turning this paper into a personal essay critique, sort of like what you could find as a book intro in an essay anthology, where its personal narration, yet expository and explanatory at the same time. Philip Lopate's voice, in an intro to a new essay collection on Charles Lamb, struck me as fitting and complementary to what I'm trying to do. I like his ability to include biographical info, personal comments, and critical commentary all in one body of text. I don't expect to recognize this baby when I redraft it, I really want to make a legitimate scholarly contribution to Mormon lit with this essay/paper. I hope the new AML website is more helpful with indexing specific AML papers. Even if Eugene England had done a paper on Virginia Sorensen, I can't always call you to ask you to search through your personal AML collection--that's the Lee Library's job. Robert Means from the Lee Library emailed me back and doesn't know how to help me. Robert asked me what you had told me about locating England's Sorensen paper. . . . I'll email him and say we're still looking. I guess we can't always ask him to look through all the _AML Annuals_ either, every time someone *thinks* a paper *might* be in there. Not to beat this into the ground--but can't the Lee Library index individual paper titles in their online database by author, paper title, and subject. It seems that would be very efficient for students and researchers alike. Thanks again for all your help. I hope this feedback helps work out some of the kinks. Travis ****************************** ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:39 PM > Here is snail mail for Tim Slover. Charlotte England may have his email > address, or phone number. She might also have Emma Lou Thayne's. Call > her at 801 373-1775 > > Tim Slover > Adjunct Asst Professor > Theatre Department > PERFORMING ARTS BLDG > 240 S 1500 EAST RM 206 > > Gideon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-irreantum- > > ed@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Travis K. Manning > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:47 AM > > To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [irr-ed] email addresses > > > > I'm looking for Tim Slover and Emma Lou Thayne's email addresses. Do > any > > of > > you have them? I can't locate them. > > > > Travis Manning > > Irreantum Literary Nonfiction editor > > > > > > > > -- > > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BB6F.D1098060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database

I assume this was just supposed to go to Gideon . . . ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:53 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database


Gideon,

Thanks for your help!  I did receive your critique and want to thank for
your most helpful critical and encouraging comments.  No, you did not
overwhelm.  I did stew for a couple days after your comments and Mary
Bradford's arrived on the same day!!  Yikes.  But it's what I needed.  I am
trying to add an essay writing voice to my repertoire, besides just my
sports writer and email voice.

I'm leaning toward turning this paper into a personal essay critique, sort
of like what you could find as a book intro in an essay anthology, where its
personal narration, yet expository and explanatory at the same time.  Philip
Lopate's voice, in an intro to a new essay collection on Charles Lamb,
struck me as fitting and complementary to what I'm trying to do.  I like his
ability to include biographical info, personal comments, and critical
commentary all in one body of text.

I don't expect to recognize this baby when I redraft it,   I really want to
make a legitimate scholarly contribution to Mormon lit with this
essay/paper.

I hope the new AML website is more helpful with indexing specific AML
papers.  Even if Eugene England had done a paper on Virginia Sorensen, I
can't always call you to ask you to search through your personal AML
collection--that's the Lee Library's job.

Robert Means from the Lee Library emailed me back and doesn't know how to
help me.  Robert asked me what you had told me about locating England's
Sorensen paper. . . .  I'll email him and say we're still looking.  I guess
we can't always ask him to look through all the _AML Annuals_ either, every
time someone *thinks* a paper *might* be in there.

Not to beat this into the ground--but can't the Lee Library index individual
paper titles in their online database by author, paper title, and subject.
It seems that would be very efficient for students and researchers alike.

Thanks again for all your help.  I hope this feedback helps work out some of
the kinks.

Travis

******************************
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gideon Burton" <Gideon_Burton@byu.edu>
To: <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] email addresses


> Here is snail mail for Tim Slover. Charlotte England may have his email
> address, or phone number. She might also have Emma Lou Thayne's.  Call
> her at 801 373-1775
>
> Tim Slover
> Adjunct Asst Professor
> Theatre Department
> PERFORMING ARTS BLDG
> 240 S 1500 EAST RM 206
>
> Gideon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-irreantum-
> > ed@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Travis K. Manning
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:47 AM
> > To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: [irr-ed] email addresses
> >
> > I'm looking for Tim Slover and Emma Lou Thayne's email addresses.  Do
> any
> > of
> > you have them?  I can't locate them.
> >
> > Travis Manning
> > Irreantum Literary Nonfiction editor
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
>
>
> --
> Irreantum Editor's Discussion List <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BB6F.D1098060-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database Date: 13 Jan 2003 18:12:43 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2BB2F.5E4914E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Lee Library online databaseWhoops! I guess it's also helpful for Irreantum editors to know. I've been = trying to track down a paper Eugene England did on Virginia Sorensen, = but we can't locate it. There's a problem with accessing _AML Annuals_ = via BYU's online library, and the AML website--there's flat out not a = complete index. Not very researcher-friendly indeed. FYI. Hopefully = this new AML website their working on will provide better and more = immediate access to researchable critical papers. Sure would help me = out, along with other remote researchers not living on the Wasatch = Front, and with an incomplete collection of _AML Annuals._ Travis Manning ******************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christopher Bigelow=20 To: 'irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database I assume this was just supposed to go to Gideon . . . ?=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com]=20 Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:53 PM=20 To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database=20 Gideon,=20 Thanks for your help! I did receive your critique and want to thank = for=20 your most helpful critical and encouraging comments. . . . ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2BB2F.5E4914E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Lee Library online database
Whoops!
 
I guess it's also helpful for Irreantum editors to = know. =20 I've been trying to track down a paper Eugene England did on Virginia = Sorensen,=20 but we can't locate it.  There's a problem with accessing _AML = Annuals_ via=20 BYU's online library, and the AML website--there's flat out not a = complete=20 index.  Not very researcher-friendly indeed.  FYI.  = Hopefully=20 this new AML website their working on will provide better and more = immediate=20 access to researchable critical papers.  Sure would help me out, = along with=20 other remote researchers not living on the Wasatch Front, and with an = incomplete=20 collection of _AML Annuals._
 
Travis Manning
********************
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Christopher = Bigelow
To: 'irreantum-ed@lists.xmi= ssion.com'=20
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 = 5:54=20 PM
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Lee = Library online=20 database

I assume this was just supposed to go to Gideon . . = . ?=20

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com<= /A>]=20
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:53 PM =
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmissi= on.com=20
Subject: [irr-ed] Lee Library online = database


Gideon,

Thanks for your help!  I did receive your = critique and=20 want to thank for
your most helpful critical = and=20 encouraging comments. . . .

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2BB2F.5E4914E0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Dew interview Date: 17 Jan 2003 08:50:19 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C2BE05.76EAABC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issuesHi folks: I'm putting together questions for the interview with Sheri Dew that = will run in the Spring. If you have any questions you'd like to see = included in the interview, please send them to me this weekend. Thanks! Jana ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C2BE05.76EAABC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues
Hi folks:
 
I'm putting together questions for the = interview=20 with Sheri Dew that will run in the Spring.  If you have any = questions=20 you'd like to see included in the interview, please send them to me = this=20 weekend.
 
Thanks!
Jana
------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C2BE05.76EAABC0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Dew interview Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:54:53 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE49.284229F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did the whole Richard Paul Evans media frenzy blindside you? After all, Evans was the one who broke the story, not Deseret. Tell us more about what it was like to handle that crisis. Judging by Deseret Book's new "What matters to you matters to us" ad campaign, a lot of thought and planning went into how to handle this. What about doing more cooperative publishing with national companies, as Jana Riess discusses? What would be your advice to LDS authors aiming for publication with Deseret Book post-Evans? Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction again. What's your current attitude about fiction? Also, you could ask AML-List for ideas, and run your questions by us to see if reading them prompts any additional ones. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:50 AM Hi folks: I'm putting together questions for the interview with Sheri Dew that will run in the Spring. If you have any questions you'd like to see included in the interview, please send them to me this weekend. Thanks! Jana ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE49.284229F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues
Did the whole Richard Paul Evans media frenzy blindside you? After all, Evans was the one who broke the story, not Deseret. Tell us more about what it was like to handle that crisis. Judging by Deseret Book's new "What matters to you matters to us" ad campaign, a lot of thought and planning went into how to handle this.
 
What about doing more cooperative publishing with national companies, as Jana Riess discusses?
 
What would be your advice to LDS authors aiming for publication with Deseret Book post-Evans?
 
Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction again. What's your current attitude about fiction?
 
Also, you could ask AML-List for ideas, and run your questions by us to see if reading them prompts any additional ones.
-----Original Message-----
From: jana [mailto:jana@enivri.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:50 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Dew interview

Hi folks:
 
I'm putting together questions for the interview with Sheri Dew that will run in the Spring.  If you have any questions you'd like to see included in the interview, please send them to me this weekend.
 
Thanks!
Jana
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE49.284229F0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Dew interview Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:28:54 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C2BE0A.DA8AE000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issuesChris: You suggested this question: Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction again. What's = your current attitude about fiction? At Bookseller's Sheri affirmed (quite emphatically) that DB was not = backing off from fiction. Have you heard otherwise since then? J ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C2BE0A.DA8AE000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues
Chris:
You suggested this = question:
Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction = again. What's=20 your current attitude about fiction?
 
At = Bookseller's=20 Sheri affirmed (quite emphatically) that DB was not backing off from=20 fiction.  Have you heard otherwise since = then?
 
J
------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C2BE0A.DA8AE000-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Dew interview Date: 17 Jan 2003 10:31:02 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE4E.3514FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, just that they don't seem to publish that much, especially compared to Covenant. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:29 AM Chris: You suggested this question: Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction again. What's your current attitude about fiction? At Bookseller's Sheri affirmed (quite emphatically) that DB was not backing off from fiction. Have you heard otherwise since then? J ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE4E.3514FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues
No, just that they don't seem to publish that much, especially compared to Covenant.
-----Original Message-----
From: jana [mailto:jana@enivri.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:29 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Dew interview

Chris:
You suggested this question:
Deseret Book seems to be backing off publishing fiction again. What's your current attitude about fiction?
 
At Bookseller's Sheri affirmed (quite emphatically) that DB was not backing off from fiction.  Have you heard otherwise since then?
 
J
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE4E.3514FE50-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] FW: [AML] Black Pioneers Date: 17 Jan 2003 10:57:49 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE51.F2F64750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm certain there's a question for Sheri Dew in the following from Margaret Young: <<< I have been doing a sort of recapitulation of my own over these past weeks, since turning in the final book of Darius's and my trilogy. It has been accepted by Deseret's board far more easily than I had anticipated--and that alone is interesting. Every member of the board, I'm told, said this was the hardest book of the set, yet we didn't have to fight AT ALL to keep the book from getting sugar coated. Apparently, we had some advocates who insisted, "No, that [controversial matter or quote] needs to stay. This is history." I have no idea where this book's publication will take us, but I sure have come a long ways in having my eyes opened to the black experience. >>> In fact, here's how I'd word it: Margaret Young told AML-List that the third volume in her black pioneer trilogy Standing on the Promises was accepted by Deseret Book's editorial board "far more easily than I had anticipated." She continued: "Every member of the board, I'm told, said this was the hardest book of the set, yet we didn't have to fight AT ALL to keep the book from getting sugar coated. Apparently, we had some advocates who insisted, No, that controversial matter or quote needs to stay. This is history." What's your response to this characterization of Deseret, and what does it say about future projects? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE51.F2F64750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: [AML] Black Pioneers

I'm certain there's a question for Sheri Dew in the = following from Margaret Young:

<<<
I have been doing a sort of recapitulation of my = own
over these past weeks, since turning in the final = book of Darius's and my
trilogy.  It has been accepted by Deseret's = board far more easily than I had
anticipated--and that alone is interesting.  = Every member of the board, I'm
told, said this was the hardest book of the set, yet = we didn't have to fight
AT ALL to keep the book from getting sugar = coated.  Apparently, we had some
advocates who insisted, "No, that = [controversial matter or quote] needs to
stay.  This is history."  I have no = idea where this book's publication will
take us, but I sure have come a long ways in having = my eyes opened to the
black experience.
>>>

In fact, here's how I'd word it:

Margaret Young told AML-List that the third volume in = her black pioneer trilogy Standing on the Promises was accepted by = Deseret Book's editorial board "far more easily than I had = anticipated." She continued: "Every member of the board, I'm = told, said this was the hardest book of the set, yet we didn't have to = fight AT ALL to keep the book from getting sugar coated. Apparently, we = had some advocates who insisted, No, that controversial matter or quote = needs to stay. This is history." What's your response to this = characterization of Deseret, and what does it say about future = projects?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BE51.F2F64750-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 21 Jan 2003 23:20:34 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2C1A3.B2B60AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issuesMichael, Perhaps we could use this review of Singles Ward by Richard D., or = perhaps he'd be willing to polish it up for our next issue of Irreantum. = Just a thought. It might be nice to have him write a column or = something on this since he's been so vocal about improving Mormon film = art. Let's give him a microphone. Travis ********************* In a message dated 1/17/03 4:15:02 PM Mountain Standard Time,=20 ersamuel@byugate.byu.edu writes: << At that point, I decided that I didn't want to be a Mormon anymore, = and I=20 was sad about it, because I generally like being a Mormon, and I love my = job,=20 which I was now going to have to quit. >> I've decided to finally join in the "Singles Ward" discussion. I've=20 restrained myself for several months simply because I thought that any = of my=20 highly critical comments could easily be interpreted as sour grapes from = a=20 fellow Mormon director. After all, you don't read critiques of Spielberg = films from Martin Scorcese (although, frankly, such critiques would be = far=20 more valuable and insightful than reviews from journalists who have = never had=20 the filmmaking experience). Unlike Eric, after seeing "Singles Ward" I did not want to give up = Mormonism.=20 I did, however, want to hang myself. Remember: I was in the so-called = "film"=20 for twenty seconds or so. And, it's true, if I hadn't made "God's Army," = this=20 crime against our culture would never have existed. I thought the movie started well with a cute title sequence. The first = few=20 minutes were engaging, and then it all went to hell. I did not recognize = these caricatures as any Mormons that I have ever known. And, yes, I was = in a=20 singles ward for three years. Some of the movie "Mormons" may have = dressed=20 the same, but aside than that, they were aliens to me. They didn't = speak,=20 walk, or interact like real human beings. Before I continue, let me state that I love movie comedies as a genre. = To=20 give examples: I loved "Arthur," "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels," "Young=20 Frankenstein," "Liar, Liar." I even enjoy stupid, brainless comedy like = "The=20 Man With Two Brains," "Dumb and Dumber," "Airplane," and "Monty Python = and=20 the Holy Grail." I love comedy. I love to laugh. And this is where "Singles Ward" fails = most=20 miserably. It simply isn't funny. Okay, sure. There are a couple of gags = that=20 made me smile: the kid being called to Boise on his mission and actually = being excited about it and...there must be another one. Maybe not. In my opinion, a good LDS comedy would make all sorts of people laugh = (not=20 just BYU students) and would leave the audience feeling an affection for = at=20 least one or two of the characters in the movie. And (dare I say it?) it = might even attempt to shed some light on our human experience. I'm devoting too much time to this movie. It has already wasted three = hours=20 of my life. (I had to watch it twice!). Let's speed things up: Performances: the otherwise flat female lead found some real emotion in = the=20 parking lot of the comedy club, and the Idaho missionary had a couple of = cute=20 moments. The male lead was handsome and, initially, likable. I suspect = he's a=20 good actor and, in another film, could give a strong performance. Oddly, = on=20 my second viewing, I found his performance somewhat irritating. The = cameos=20 were pointless and clumsy. Camera Work: serviceable. Sound: fine. Wardrobe: whatever. Music: oh my gosh. Sometimes I thought I was watching a "Tom and Jerry"=20 cartoon. Screenplay: a string of gags, most of which fell flat to me. No real=20 character development. And I thought the male lead's "epiphany" at the = end=20 was a disservice to the character. He didn't return to active Mormonism=20 because of any new spiritual understanding, he returned to Mormonism=20 because...well, that's just who he was. He passed the sacrament, he went = on a=20 mission, he knows a bunch of Mormons...it's time to get back in line. = Pretty=20 weak reasons.=20 Also, the movie clearly meant to be a romantic comedy. I've already = addressed=20 the problem of the nonexistent comedy. Where was the romance? Where was = the=20 chemistry? Where, oh where, was the climactic embrace when the = characters=20 finally overcame the obstacles and became "one?" Oh yeah, it happened=20 off-screen. If only the rest of the movie had happened off-screen. I did not, even for a moment, identify with the characters or care at = all=20 what happened to them. I thought the gags with the cops (the tasting of = the=20 laundry detergent and the stakeout behind the shrubbery) were painfully=20 unsuccessful. In truth, I thought 90% of the gags were painfully=20 unsuccessful.=20 In summary, I was embarrassed for everyone associated with the film=20 (especially me) and I was embarrassed that non-Mormons might somehow=20 accidentally see this movie. It made us look shallow, self-righteous, = and=20 untalented. It had nothing excellent about it. You know, I've heard it said that if "Fiddler on the Roof" had been made = and=20 distributed worldwide in the 1930's, maybe the world would not have = allowed=20 the attempted extermination of the Jews in the 1940's. I fear that, if the world believes that Mormons are like those in "The=20 Singles Ward," they might decide genocide is not such a bad idea after = all. Richard Dutcher - AML-List Magazine, a daily selection of posts from AML-List. See AML-List archives at http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2C1A3.B2B60AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues
Michael,
 
Perhaps we could use this review of Singles Ward by = Richard=20 D., or perhaps he'd be willing to polish it up for our next issue of=20 Irreantum.  Just a thought.  It might be nice to have him = write a=20 column or something on this since he's been so vocal about improving = Mormon film=20 art.  Let's give him a microphone.
 
Travis
 
*********************
 
In a message dated 1/17/03 4:15:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, =
ersamuel@byugate.byu.edu=20 writes:

<< At that point, I decided that I didn't want to = be a=20 Mormon anymore, and I
was sad about it, because I generally like = being a=20 Mormon, and I love my job,
which I was now going to have to quit.=20 >>

I've decided to finally join in the "Singles Ward" = discussion.=20 I've
restrained myself for several months simply because I thought = that any=20 of my
highly critical comments could easily be interpreted as sour = grapes=20 from a
fellow Mormon director. After all, you don't read critiques = of=20 Spielberg
films from Martin Scorcese (although, frankly, such = critiques=20 would be far
more valuable and insightful than reviews from = journalists who=20 have never had
the filmmaking experience).

Unlike Eric, after = seeing=20 "Singles Ward" I did not want to give up Mormonism.
I did, however, = want to=20 hang myself. Remember: I was in the so-called "film"
for twenty = seconds or=20 so. And, it's true, if I hadn't made "God's Army," this
crime = against our=20 culture would never have existed.

I thought the movie started = well with a=20 cute title sequence. The first few
minutes were engaging, and then = it all=20 went to hell. I did not recognize
these caricatures as any Mormons = that I=20 have ever known. And, yes, I was in a
singles ward for three years. = Some of=20 the movie "Mormons" may have dressed
the same, but aside than that, = they=20 were aliens to me. They didn't speak,
walk, or interact like real = human=20 beings.

Before I continue, let me state that I love movie = comedies as a=20 genre. To
give examples: I loved "Arthur," "Dirty Rotten = Scoundrels," "Young=20
Frankenstein," "Liar, Liar." I even enjoy stupid, brainless comedy = like "The=20
Man With Two Brains," "Dumb and Dumber," "Airplane," and "Monty = Python and=20
the Holy Grail."

I love comedy. I love to laugh. And this is = where=20 "Singles Ward" fails most
miserably. It simply isn't funny. Okay, = sure.=20 There are a couple of gags that
made me smile: the kid being called = to Boise=20 on his mission and actually
being excited about it and...there must = be=20 another one. Maybe not.

In my opinion, a good LDS comedy would = make all=20 sorts of people laugh (not
just BYU students) and would leave the = audience=20 feeling an affection for at
least one or two of the characters in = the movie.=20 And (dare I say it?) it
might even attempt to shed some light on our = human=20 experience.

I'm devoting too much time to this movie. It has = already=20 wasted three hours
of my life. (I had to watch it twice!). Let's = speed=20 things up:

Performances: the otherwise flat female lead found = some real=20 emotion in the
parking lot of the comedy club, and the Idaho = missionary had=20 a couple of cute
moments. The male lead was handsome and, initially, = likable. I suspect he's a
good actor and, in another film, could = give a=20 strong performance. Oddly, on
my second viewing, I found his = performance=20 somewhat irritating. The cameos
were pointless and = clumsy.

Camera=20 Work: serviceable.

Sound: fine.

Wardrobe: = whatever.

Music:=20 oh my gosh. Sometimes I thought I was watching a "Tom and Jerry"=20
cartoon.

Screenplay: a string of gags, most of which fell = flat to me.=20 No real
character development. And I thought the male lead's = "epiphany" at=20 the end
was a disservice to the character. He didn't return to = active=20 Mormonism
because of any new spiritual understanding, he returned to = Mormonism
because...well, that's just who he was. He passed the = sacrament,=20 he went on a
mission, he knows a bunch of Mormons...it's time to get = back in=20 line. Pretty
weak reasons.

Also, the movie clearly meant to = be a=20 romantic comedy. I've already addressed
the problem of the = nonexistent=20 comedy. Where was the romance? Where was the
chemistry? Where, oh = where, was=20 the climactic embrace when the characters
finally overcame the = obstacles and=20 became "one?" Oh yeah, it happened
off-screen. If only the rest of = the movie=20 had happened off-screen.

I did not, even for a moment, identify = with the=20 characters or care at all
what happened to them. I thought the gags = with the=20 cops (the tasting of the
laundry detergent and the stakeout behind = the=20 shrubbery) were painfully
unsuccessful. In truth, I thought 90% of = the gags=20 were painfully
unsuccessful.

In summary, I was embarrassed = for=20 everyone associated with the film
(especially me) and I was = embarrassed that=20 non-Mormons might somehow
accidentally see this movie. It made us = look=20 shallow, self-righteous, and
untalented. It had nothing excellent = about=20 it.

You know, I've heard it said that if "Fiddler on the Roof" = had been=20 made and
distributed worldwide in the 1930's, maybe the world would = not have=20 allowed
the attempted extermination of the Jews in the = 1940's.

I fear=20 that, if the world believes that Mormons are like those in "The =
Singles=20 Ward," they might decide genocide is not such a bad idea after=20 all.

Richard Dutcher




-
AML-List Magazine, a = daily=20 selection of posts from AML-List.
See AML-List archives at http://www.xmission.co= m/~aml/aml-list.htm
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2C1A3.B2B60AE0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum Date: 28 Jan 2003 10:28:50 -0600 Folks, I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO sometime this year. This may make it a good time to do something Kushner-related for Irreantum. (Reference note for those who don't know this work: _Angels in America_ is a set of two plays, _Millennium Approaches_ and _Perestroika_, subtitled "A Gay Fantasia on National Themes." The set has been widely acclaimed as the most important American dramatic work of the 1990s. It incorporates several Mormon characters, and uses Mormon images and thematic elements, in a rather weird way, as major foils/reference points for its own themes. Kushner is not LDS.) As it happens... A (nonMormon) friend recently asked my opinion of _Angels in America_. So I decided to read it. I'm going to be posting a rather lengthy review of the play(s) on AML-List sometime within the next several weeks (it takes me a while to compose my thoughts; I'm now in the "mulling" stage). It struck me that if I do a good enough job with my review, there might be some interest in publishing it in Irreantum. And then I had further thoughts. An important caveat is that I'm not a theater person: don't know modern drama, and in particular, don't know the gay theater that has been such a major element over the last couple of decades. I think my review could be interesting for readers who are also non-drama-aware but literarily interested Mormons--but it occurred to me that it might be even better paired with an article by someone who *does* have a dramatic background, and academic knowledge. Perhaps my view as the "naive" Mormon reading, and then a more sophisticated article letting us know what the play means to those who really understand what is going on in it. My absolute, number one nominee for such an article would be Eric Samuelsen; and if he couldn't do it, I'd beg him to recommend someone. And then I thought, why not an interview with Kushner? I haven't scanned Sunstone and Dialogue to find out if Kushner has ever done an interview intended for a primarily Mormon audience; however, it he hasn't, I think such an interview could be very interesting. I'd certainly be willing to contribute questions for the interview, though I'd prefer that someone else conduct the actual interview. And I don't know how hard he'd be to contact (perhaps Kent Larsen, who has recently resurfaced on AML-List, has contacts that would be useful for this?). Anyway, that's my complete set of ideas. Do with it what you all will. As I say, I havne't actually looked to see what articles or papers on Kushner's work have been published in Dialogue or Sunstone, or presented at AML conferences and the like. If y'all decided to devote part of an issue to Kushner's work, it would probably be a good idea to find out what's already been done in the Mormon arena, and either reference it or make sure not to duplicate it. But I thought I ought to throw my brainstorm out into the ring... Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Langford Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 28 Jan 2003 10:30:24 -0600 There have been some other interesting responses related to _Singles Ward_ as well by people like Eric Samuelsen. I think it might be interesting to collect a collage of the more interesting statements for publication. See if you can also get someone to defend SW, preferably in spirited but intelligent terms... Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum Date: 28 Jan 2003 09:23:18 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6E9.91364DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I like this idea very much. I've actually corresponded with Kushner a little, so I already have a foot in the door and have his address. Jonathan, I'll agree to head up the interview if you'll be in the driver's seat on the other stuff. I will probably wait until I read your review to start pulling together questions, and it would be great to get some questions from you and others. And I will try to read up in Dialogue and Sunstone to see what may have been done before (at the least, I could get question ideas from reviews). What I will probably do is mail Kushner copies of our proposed materials (your review, any other essays you line up), accompanied by a list of interview questions I will invite him to respond to by e-mail. I don't get HBO, but I'm looking forward to seeing this production (if memory serves, it stars Al Pacino and Meryl Streep). I have seen both parts performed, and they are quite powerful and mesmerizing, if also troubling and upsetting to Mormons in several ways. (In the Salt Lake Acting Co. production I saw, they ripped real temple garments on stage, and the audience was downright gleeful about some of the unflattering Mormon content.) -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:29 AM Folks, I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO sometime this year. This may make it a good time to do something Kushner-related for Irreantum. (Reference note for those who don't know this work: _Angels in America_ is a set of two plays, _Millennium Approaches_ and _Perestroika_, subtitled "A Gay Fantasia on National Themes." The set has been widely acclaimed as the most important American dramatic work of the 1990s. It incorporates several Mormon characters, and uses Mormon images and thematic elements, in a rather weird way, as major foils/reference points for its own themes. Kushner is not LDS.) As it happens... A (nonMormon) friend recently asked my opinion of _Angels in America_. So I decided to read it. I'm going to be posting a rather lengthy review of the play(s) on AML-List sometime within the next several weeks (it takes me a while to compose my thoughts; I'm now in the "mulling" stage). It struck me that if I do a good enough job with my review, there might be some interest in publishing it in Irreantum. And then I had further thoughts. An important caveat is that I'm not a theater person: don't know modern drama, and in particular, don't know the gay theater that has been such a major element over the last couple of decades. I think my review could be interesting for readers who are also non-drama-aware but literarily interested Mormons--but it occurred to me that it might be even better paired with an article by someone who *does* have a dramatic background, and academic knowledge. Perhaps my view as the "naive" Mormon reading, and then a more sophisticated article letting us know what the play means to those who really understand what is going on in it. My absolute, number one nominee for such an article would be Eric Samuelsen; and if he couldn't do it, I'd beg him to recommend someone. And then I thought, why not an interview with Kushner? I haven't scanned Sunstone and Dialogue to find out if Kushner has ever done an interview intended for a primarily Mormon audience; however, it he hasn't, I think such an interview could be very interesting. I'd certainly be willing to contribute questions for the interview, though I'd prefer that someone else conduct the actual interview. And I don't know how hard he'd be to contact (perhaps Kent Larsen, who has recently resurfaced on AML-List, has contacts that would be useful for this?). Anyway, that's my complete set of ideas. Do with it what you all will. As I say, I havne't actually looked to see what articles or papers on Kushner's work have been published in Dialogue or Sunstone, or presented at AML conferences and the like. If y'all decided to devote part of an issue to Kushner's work, it would probably be a good idea to find out what's already been done in the Mormon arena, and either reference it or make sure not to duplicate it. But I thought I ought to throw my brainstorm out into the ring... Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6E9.91364DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum

I like this idea very much. I've actually = corresponded with Kushner a little, so I already have a foot in the = door and have his address.

Jonathan, I'll agree to head up the interview if = you'll be in the driver's seat on the other stuff. I will probably wait = until I read your review to start pulling together questions, and it = would be great to get some questions from you and others. And I will = try to read up in Dialogue and Sunstone to see what may have been done = before (at the least, I could get question ideas from reviews). =

What I will probably do is mail Kushner copies of our = proposed materials (your review, any other essays you line up), = accompanied by a list of interview questions I will invite him to = respond to by e-mail.

I don't get HBO, but I'm looking forward to seeing = this production (if memory serves, it stars Al Pacino and Meryl = Streep). I have seen both parts performed, and they are quite powerful = and mesmerizing, if also troubling and upsetting to Mormons in several = ways. (In the Salt Lake Acting Co. production I saw, they ripped real = temple garments on stage, and the audience was downright gleeful about = some of the unflattering Mormon content.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Langford [mailto:jlangfor@pressenter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:29 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum


Folks,

I've been reading in some of the announcements over = AML-List that Tony
Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be = broadcast over HBO sometime
this year.  This may make it a good time to do = something Kushner-related
for Irreantum.

(Reference note for those who don't know this = work:  _Angels in America_ is
a set of two plays, _Millennium Approaches_ and = _Perestroika_, subtitled "A
Gay Fantasia on National Themes."  The set = has been widely acclaimed as the
most important American dramatic work of the = 1990s.  It incorporates
several Mormon characters, and uses Mormon images = and thematic elements, in
a rather weird way, as major foils/reference points = for its own themes.
Kushner is not LDS.)

As it happens...  A (nonMormon) friend recently = asked my opinion of _Angels
in America_.  So I decided to read it.  = I'm going to be posting a rather
lengthy review of the play(s) on AML-List sometime = within the next several
weeks (it takes me a while to compose my thoughts; = I'm now in the "mulling"
stage).  It struck me that if I do a good = enough job with my review, there
might be some interest in publishing it in = Irreantum.

And then I had further thoughts.  An important = caveat is that I'm not a
theater person: don't know modern drama, and in = particular, don't know the
gay theater that has been such a major element over = the last couple of
decades.  I think my review could be = interesting for readers who are also
non-drama-aware but literarily interested = Mormons--but it occurred to me
that it might be even better paired with an article = by someone who *does*
have a dramatic background, and academic = knowledge.  Perhaps my view as the
"naive" Mormon reading, and then a more = sophisticated article letting us
know what the play means to those who really = understand what is going on in
it.  My absolute, number one nominee for such = an article would be Eric
Samuelsen; and if he couldn't do it, I'd beg him to = recommend someone.

And then I thought, why not an interview with = Kushner?  I haven't scanned
Sunstone and Dialogue to find out if Kushner has = ever done an interview
intended for a primarily Mormon audience; however, = it he hasn't, I think
such an interview could be very interesting.  = I'd certainly be willing to
contribute questions for the interview, though I'd = prefer that someone else
conduct the actual interview.  And I don't know = how hard he'd be to contact
(perhaps Kent Larsen, who has recently resurfaced on = AML-List, has contacts
that would be useful for this?).

Anyway, that's my complete set of ideas.  Do = with it what you all will.  As
I say, I havne't actually looked to see what = articles or papers on
Kushner's work have been published in Dialogue or = Sunstone, or presented at
AML conferences and the like.  If y'all decided = to devote part of an issue
to Kushner's work, it would probably be a good idea = to find out what's
already been done in the Mormon arena, and either = reference it or make sure
not to duplicate it.  But I thought I ought to = throw my brainstorm out into
the ring...

Jonathan

jlangfor@pressenter.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6E9.91364DD0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 28 Jan 2003 09:34:34 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EB.2436CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds like a job for film editor D. Michael Martindale, if you're interested, D. Mike. Perhaps also Marny Parkin might want to compile some AML-List comments for her highlights. Come to think of it, I don't know if Michael got onto this list. You here, Michael? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:30 AM There have been some other interesting responses related to _Singles Ward_ as well by people like Eric Samuelsen. I think it might be interesting to collect a collage of the more interesting statements for publication. See if you can also get someone to defend SW, preferably in spirited but intelligent terms... Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EB.2436CAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues

Sounds like a job for film editor D. Michael Martindale, if you're interested, D. Mike.

Perhaps also Marny Parkin might want to compile some AML-List comments for her highlights.

Come to think of it, I don't know if Michael got onto this list. You here, Michael?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Langford [mailto:jlangfor@pressenter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues


There have been some other interesting responses related to _Singles Ward_
as well by people like Eric Samuelsen.  I think it might be interesting to
collect a collage of the more interesting statements for publication.  See
if you can also get someone to defend SW, preferably in spirited but
intelligent terms...

Jonathan

jlangfor@pressenter.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EB.2436CAA0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gideon Burton Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum Date: 28 Jan 2003 10:36:55 -0700 Some great ideas. Be sure that you check Michael Austin's writings about Angels in America. You might even want to consult with him. Definitely = worth reading before you do an interview. He's thought through a lot of the = tough issues. Also, you might search the archives of AML-List. We had a lot = of exchanges on that awhile a go. Lots. Good idea. Go for it. Gideon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-irreantum- > ed@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Langford > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:29 AM > To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum >=20 > Folks, >=20 > I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony > Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO = sometime > this year. This may make it a good time to do something = Kushner-related > for Irreantum. >=20 > (Reference note for those who don't know this work: _Angels in = America_ > is > a set of two plays, _Millennium Approaches_ and _Perestroika_, = subtitled > "A > Gay Fantasia on National Themes." The set has been widely acclaimed = as > the > most important American dramatic work of the 1990s. It incorporates > several Mormon characters, and uses Mormon images and thematic = elements, > in > a rather weird way, as major foils/reference points for its own = themes. > Kushner is not LDS.) >=20 > As it happens... A (nonMormon) friend recently asked my opinion of > _Angels > in America_. So I decided to read it. I'm going to be posting a = rather > lengthy review of the play(s) on AML-List sometime within the next = several > weeks (it takes me a while to compose my thoughts; I'm now in the > "mulling" > stage). It struck me that if I do a good enough job with my review, = there > might be some interest in publishing it in Irreantum. >=20 > And then I had further thoughts. An important caveat is that I'm not = a > theater person: don't know modern drama, and in particular, don't know = the > gay theater that has been such a major element over the last couple of > decades. I think my review could be interesting for readers who are = also > non-drama-aware but literarily interested Mormons--but it occurred to = me > that it might be even better paired with an article by someone who = *does* > have a dramatic background, and academic knowledge. Perhaps my view = as > the > "naive" Mormon reading, and then a more sophisticated article letting = us > know what the play means to those who really understand what is going = on > in > it. My absolute, number one nominee for such an article would be Eric > Samuelsen; and if he couldn't do it, I'd beg him to recommend someone. >=20 > And then I thought, why not an interview with Kushner? I haven't = scanned > Sunstone and Dialogue to find out if Kushner has ever done an = interview > intended for a primarily Mormon audience; however, it he hasn't, I = think > such an interview could be very interesting. I'd certainly be willing = to > contribute questions for the interview, though I'd prefer that someone > else > conduct the actual interview. And I don't know how hard he'd be to > contact > (perhaps Kent Larsen, who has recently resurfaced on AML-List, has > contacts > that would be useful for this?). >=20 > Anyway, that's my complete set of ideas. Do with it what you all = will. > As > I say, I havne't actually looked to see what articles or papers on > Kushner's work have been published in Dialogue or Sunstone, or = presented > at > AML conferences and the like. If y'all decided to devote part of an = issue > to Kushner's work, it would probably be a good idea to find out what's > already been done in the Mormon arena, and either reference it or make > sure > not to duplicate it. But I thought I ought to throw my brainstorm out > into > the ring... >=20 > Jonathan >=20 > jlangfor@pressenter.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harlow S Clark Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 28 Jan 2003 23:39:24 -0800 I'm working on a review of SW right now. I don't think it's a really fine movie, but my review is considerably less despairing than Richard or Eric's. Part of the problem for that horrible death wish scene is that Kurt Hale was trying to solve a narrative problem that he didn't understand well enough to solve, i.e., how do you know that if you present as narrator an unsympathetic character, or a character who's not sympathetic to your target audience's beliefs, that your audience will stay with the picture. Jack Weyland ran into the same problem with his first story, "Punch and Cookies Forever," and it took him till his fourth or fifth novel, _The Reunion_, to figure out how to present the main conflict in that story, which is the toll a calling like bishop or SP takes on the bp or SP's family. I suspect when Hale figures out what Weyland figured out his storytelling will be better. Harlow Clark On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:30:24 -0600 Jonathan Langford writes: > There have been some other interesting responses related to _Singles > Ward_ as well by people like Eric Samuelsen. I think it might be > interesting to collect a collage of the more interesting statements for > publication. See if you can also get someone to defend SW, > preferably in spirited but intelligent terms... > > Jonathan > > jlangfor@pressenter.com ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 29 Jan 2003 11:17:12 -0700 I don't know if I want to. I tend to shy away from discussions on specific works, although I have made a couple exceptions. The problem here is that I'm not sure there has been a balanced discussion--a lot of posts have been either good critiques or nit picks, and the other side has been mostly to pick on the critiquers but hasn't said much about the film. I'll look at it, but I don't expect much. Marny >Perhaps also Marny Parkin might want to compile some AML-List >comments for her highlights. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan Langford >[mailto:jlangfor@pressenter.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:30 AM >To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues > > >There have been some other interesting responses related to _Singles Ward_ >as well by people like Eric Samuelsen. I think it might be interesting to >collect a collage of the more interesting statements for publication. See >if you can also get someone to defend SW, preferably in spirited but >intelligent terms... > >Jonathan > >jlangfor@pressenter.com > > > >-- >Irreantum Editor's Discussion List -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" (by way of Jonathan Subject: [irr-ed] Re: Kushner and Irreantum Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:16:19 -0600 Hi all, This was Eric Samuelsen's response to my query about helping with an Irreantum section on Kushner. It looks very, very good. It looks like the Mike Austin piece originally ran in Dialogue. I really need to read it, and the other pieces listed in Gideon's database--but I don't have access to Dialogue here. I may need someone to photocopy and send items... We might want to consider reprinting Mike's piece, or at least including a short bibliography (with annotations) of major criticism of the play by Mormon authors and/or which looks at it from a Mormon dimension. I'd be (probably) willing to do this, if I can get hold of copies of the stuff. I'm beginning to think that the weakest piece will be my review... I'll go ahead and write my piece, and send it out over AML-List, but if it doesn't seem to be adding much, I'm certainly willing to see the other pieces go into Irreantum without anything from me. Does anyone have any idea which issue we'd be shooting for for this, and what the timeline for that issue would be? Jonathan Jonathan, It's a play I know very well, have seen in New York, loved, and would be delighted to write about. Yes! This sounds terrific. I think Michael Austin has written about it. I also know that Sunstone did an article a few years back, by Michael . . . . can't remember. He's a friend of mine, teaches in Atlanta, it was a good article, but you know, the mind goes. I'm doing this very quickly between classes, I'm sure to remember and will write you when I do. Eric >>> Jonathan Langford 01/28/03 11:16AM >>> Eric (with copy to Chris), I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO sometime this year. Coincidentally, I just finished reading _Angels in America_ at the prompting of a (nonmember) friend of mine. I'm going to be writing up a review of the two plays for AML-List--more or less from the point of view of the relatively naive (in theatrical terms) Mormon reader encountering this work (i.e., as myself). I've talked with Chris Bigelow, and depending on how well I do with the review, there's some interest in publishing it in Irreantum, as well. I also got to thinking ideally, such a "naive" review ought to be accompanied by by an article by someone who knows what he's talking about, in terms of modern theater, and could talk about the play and its Mormon connection in those terms. In other words, you. Chris loved the idea, and encouraged me to contact you. And so that's what I'm doing. Another idea we discussed would be to conduct an interview with Kushner for Irreantum. Chris says he's had some contact with him, and could see about the interview; I could certainly contribute some questions. I don't know if Kushner has ever done an interview for a primarily Mormon audience, but I think it would be an interesting twist. So, what are your thoughts on this? In particular: * Would you be interested in writing an article for Irreantum of the type that I describe? If you'd rather not do it yourself (though I think you'd be the ideal person to write such a thing), is there some other LDS theater person you could recommend to do such an article? * Do you know what has been written by LDS critics about Kushner's work? I assume there have been some articles in _Dialogue_ et al.; are you aware of any that we should peruse before proceeding with this? (I have heard from Gideon Burton that Michael Austin has written some on Kushner.) * What other thoughts do you have on what we could or ought to do for a Kushner Irreantum focus? My own plan is to work on my review for AML-List (and, ultimately, Irreantum) over the next several weeks. I'd certainly hope that your article (if you wrote one) would jump off from mine, take issue with it, correct any misconceptions, etc. What do you say? Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Re: Kushner and Irreantum Date: 29 Jan 2003 15:15:45 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7E3.F812A3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have all the Sunstones and Dialogues in my basement, if you want to tell me what to photocopy for ya. I also have that Mormon Studies CD ROM with all the mags up to a certain date; I will try to run a search on that ASAP and send you a file of everything that comes up, perhaps. The deadline for the spring issue is March 15, summer is June 15, fall is Sept. 15, winter is Dec. 15. So let me know which one to pencil this in for. I'd rather see someone quote Austin (even extensively) in a new piece than run what Dialogue already printed. I wouldn't back off on your piece, Jonathan--it could be the accessible channel through which most readers enter into this stuff. I think a trio of you, Samuelsen, and a Kushner interview could be great. Weird thing: this message looked like it came from Eric, not you. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:16 PM Hi all, This was Eric Samuelsen's response to my query about helping with an Irreantum section on Kushner. It looks very, very good. It looks like the Mike Austin piece originally ran in Dialogue. I really need to read it, and the other pieces listed in Gideon's database--but I don't have access to Dialogue here. I may need someone to photocopy and send items... We might want to consider reprinting Mike's piece, or at least including a short bibliography (with annotations) of major criticism of the play by Mormon authors and/or which looks at it from a Mormon dimension. I'd be (probably) willing to do this, if I can get hold of copies of the stuff. I'm beginning to think that the weakest piece will be my review... I'll go ahead and write my piece, and send it out over AML-List, but if it doesn't seem to be adding much, I'm certainly willing to see the other pieces go into Irreantum without anything from me. Does anyone have any idea which issue we'd be shooting for for this, and what the timeline for that issue would be? Jonathan Jonathan, It's a play I know very well, have seen in New York, loved, and would be delighted to write about. Yes! This sounds terrific. I think Michael Austin has written about it. I also know that Sunstone did an article a few years back, by Michael . . . . can't remember. He's a friend of mine, teaches in Atlanta, it was a good article, but you know, the mind goes. I'm doing this very quickly between classes, I'm sure to remember and will write you when I do. Eric >>> Jonathan Langford 01/28/03 11:16AM >>> Eric (with copy to Chris), I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO sometime this year. Coincidentally, I just finished reading _Angels in America_ at the prompting of a (nonmember) friend of mine. I'm going to be writing up a review of the two plays for AML-List--more or less from the point of view of the relatively naive (in theatrical terms) Mormon reader encountering this work (i.e., as myself). I've talked with Chris Bigelow, and depending on how well I do with the review, there's some interest in publishing it in Irreantum, as well. I also got to thinking ideally, such a "naive" review ought to be accompanied by by an article by someone who knows what he's talking about, in terms of modern theater, and could talk about the play and its Mormon connection in those terms. In other words, you. Chris loved the idea, and encouraged me to contact you. And so that's what I'm doing. Another idea we discussed would be to conduct an interview with Kushner for Irreantum. Chris says he's had some contact with him, and could see about the interview; I could certainly contribute some questions. I don't know if Kushner has ever done an interview for a primarily Mormon audience, but I think it would be an interesting twist. So, what are your thoughts on this? In particular: * Would you be interested in writing an article for Irreantum of the type that I describe? If you'd rather not do it yourself (though I think you'd be the ideal person to write such a thing), is there some other LDS theater person you could recommend to do such an article? * Do you know what has been written by LDS critics about Kushner's work? I assume there have been some articles in _Dialogue_ et al.; are you aware of any that we should peruse before proceeding with this? (I have heard from Gideon Burton that Michael Austin has written some on Kushner.) * What other thoughts do you have on what we could or ought to do for a Kushner Irreantum focus? My own plan is to work on my review for AML-List (and, ultimately, Irreantum) over the next several weeks. I'd certainly hope that your article (if you wrote one) would jump off from mine, take issue with it, correct any misconceptions, etc. What do you say? Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7E3.F812A3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Re: Kushner and Irreantum

I have all the Sunstones and Dialogues in my = basement, if you want to tell me what to photocopy for ya. I also have = that Mormon Studies CD ROM with all the mags up to a certain date; I = will try to run a search on that ASAP and send you a file of everything = that comes up, perhaps.

The deadline for the spring issue is March 15, summer = is June 15, fall is Sept. 15, winter is Dec. 15. So let me know which = one to pencil this in for.

I'd rather see someone quote Austin (even = extensively) in a new piece than run what Dialogue already = printed.

I wouldn't back off on your piece, Jonathan--it could = be the accessible channel through which most readers enter into this = stuff. I think a trio of you, Samuelsen, and a Kushner interview could = be great.

Weird thing: this message looked like it came from = Eric, not you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric R. Samuelsen [mailto:ersamuel@byugate.byu.edu= ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:16 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] Re: Kushner and Irreantum


Hi all,

This was Eric Samuelsen's response to my query about = helping with an
Irreantum section on Kushner.  It looks very, = very good.

It looks like the Mike Austin piece originally ran in = Dialogue.  I really
need to read it, and the other pieces listed in = Gideon's database--but I
don't have access to Dialogue here.  I may need = someone to photocopy and
send items...  We might want to consider = reprinting Mike's piece, or at
least including a short bibliography (with = annotations) of major criticism
of the play by Mormon authors and/or which looks at = it from a Mormon
dimension.  I'd be (probably) willing to do = this, if I can get hold of
copies of the stuff.

I'm beginning to think that the weakest piece will be = my review...  I'll go
ahead and write my piece, and send it out over = AML-List, but if it doesn't
seem to be adding much, I'm certainly willing to see = the other pieces go
into Irreantum without anything from me.

Does anyone have any idea which issue we'd be = shooting for for this, and
what the timeline for that issue would be?

Jonathan



Jonathan,

It's a play I know very well, have seen in New York, = loved, and would be
delighted to write about.  Yes!  This = sounds terrific.

I think Michael Austin has written about it.  I = also know that Sunstone did
an article a few years back, by Michael  . . . = . can't remember.  He's a
friend of mine, teaches in Atlanta, it was a good = article, but you know,
the mind goes.  I'm doing this very quickly = between classes, I'm sure to
remember and will write you when I do.

Eric

>>> Jonathan Langford = <jlangfor@pressenter.com> 01/28/03 11:16AM >>>
Eric (with copy to Chris),

I've been reading in some of the announcements over = AML-List that Tony
Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be = broadcast over HBO sometime
this year.  Coincidentally, I just finished = reading _Angels in America_ at
the prompting of a (nonmember) friend of = mine.

I'm going to be writing up a review of the two plays = for AML-List--more or
less from the point of view of the relatively naive = (in theatrical terms)
Mormon reader encountering this work (i.e., as = myself).  I've talked with
Chris Bigelow, and depending on how well I do with = the review, there's some
interest in publishing it in Irreantum, as = well.

I also got to thinking ideally, such a = "naive" review ought to be
accompanied by by an article by someone who knows = what he's talking about,
in terms of modern theater, and could talk about the = play and its Mormon
connection in those terms.  In other words, = you.  Chris loved the idea, and
encouraged me to contact you.  And so that's = what I'm doing.

Another idea we discussed would be to conduct an = interview with Kushner for
Irreantum.  Chris says he's had some contact = with him, and could see about
the interview; I could certainly contribute some = questions.  I don't know
if Kushner has ever done an interview for a = primarily Mormon audience, but
I think it would be an interesting twist.

So, what are your thoughts on this?  In = particular:

* Would you be interested in writing an article for = Irreantum of the type
that I describe?  If you'd rather not do it = yourself (though I think you'd
be the ideal person to write such a thing), is there = some other LDS theater
person you could recommend to do such an = article?

* Do you know what has been written by LDS critics = about Kushner's work?  I
assume there have been some articles in _Dialogue_ = et al.; are you aware of
any that we should peruse before proceeding with = this?  (I have heard from
Gideon Burton that Michael Austin has written some = on Kushner.)

* What other thoughts do you have on what we could or = ought to do for a
Kushner Irreantum focus?

My own plan is to work on my review for AML-List = (and, ultimately,
Irreantum) over the next several weeks.  I'd = certainly hope that your
article (if you wrote one) would jump off from mine, = take issue with it,
correct any misconceptions, etc.

What do you say?

Jonathan

jlangfor@pressenter.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7E3.F812A3F0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Kushner and Irreantum Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:18:21 -0700 There were four papers on Kushner presented at the 1996 AML Conference: "Casserole Myth: Religious Motif and Inclusivity in Angels in America" by John-Charles Duffy "Theology for the Approaching Millennium: Angels in America, Activism, and the American Religion" by Michael S. Austin "Sea-Changed Iconography: Tony Kushner's Use and Abuse of Mormon Images and Traditions in Angels in Merica" by Sandra Ballif Straubhaar "Through a Glass Darkly: Mormons as Perceived by Critics' Reviews of Tony Kushner's Angels in America" by Daniel Stout, Joseph D. Straubhaar, and Gail Andersen Newbold (also appeared in _Dialogue_ [summer 1999] and as "Critics as audience: perceptions of Mormons in reviews of Tony Kushner's Angels in America" _Religion and popular culture_ [Ames: Iowa State University Press, 2001]) Someone else will need to look up articles in Sunstone and Dialogue since I don't have access to them. Other books/articles: Brask, Per, ed. _Essays on Kushner's Angels._ Winnipeg: Blizzard Pub., 1995. Christianson, Frank Quinn. "Literature, drama, and film as instruments of social reconstruction: an interdisciplinary approach to the reading of oppositional texts." Master's thesis,Brigham Young University, 1996. Cook, Dwight. _Silver angels and e-mail: a father and son embrace ambiguity._ [Salt Lake City: Family Fellowship, 1994]. Evenden, Michael. "Angels in a Mormon gaze, or, Utopia, rage, communitas, dream dialogue, and funhouse-mirror aesthetics." _Sunstone_ 17, no. 2 (Sept. 1994). Felman, Jyl Lynn. "Lost Jewish (male) souls: a Midrash on Angels in America." _Tikkun_ 10, no. 3 (May/June 1995): 27-30. Fisher, James. _The theatre of Tony Kushner: living past hope._ New York: Routledge, 2001. Frantzen, Allen J. _Before the closet: same-sex love from Beowulf to Angels in America._ Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1998. Geis, Deborah R., and Steven F. Kruger, eds. _Approaching the millennium: essays on Angels in America._ Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1997. Ickes, Bob. "Heaven sent: will Tony Kushner's Angels in America rescue Broadway?" _New York_ 26 (April 12, 1993): 42-48. Kushner, Tony. _Tony Kushner in conversation._ Edited by Robert Vorlicky. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1998. Madison, Cathy. "Tony Kushner, Angels on Broadway." _Columbia_ (spring 1993): 40-41. Norden, Edward. "From Schnitzler to Kushner." _Commentary_ 99 (Jan. 1995): 52-55. Pace, David. "'Angels' in Utah: at Salt Lake Acting Company, Kushner's Mormon characters have special resonance." _American theatre_ 13, no. 3 (Mar. 1996): 49-50. Savran, David. "Ambivalence, utopia, and a queer sort of materialism: how Angels in America reconstructs the nation." _Theatre journal_ 47, no. 2 (May 1995). Simon, John. "Angelic geometry." _New York_ 26 (Dec. 6, 1993): 130-132. -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Re: Kushner and Irreantum Date: 29 Jan 2003 18:59:03 -0800 Jonathan, I would be willing to request articles through my grad program here at Eastern Washington U. I can file requests online, and articles, many from Washington State U (which has a repository of Mormon literary mags and books, surprisingly), pick them up, and I can then snail mail them to you. Just go online to BYU's Lee Library, or better yet, Washington State U's online periodical section, search for the relevant articles, and email me the author, title of article, mag name, page number and I can send a collective "clump" of articles to you in a manilla envelope. Let me know if this is feasible or not. It's just one way to do it. As far as when we do this issue with Angels in America, the Winter issue has the interview with Sherrie Dew, and the Spring issue we're tentatively planning a theme issue on film. I don't know how much we have going for the Winter/Dew issue, or the Spring/film issue, for that matter. Should we include the Angels in America in the film issue? It seems like a natural fit. We could do a solid job on that Spring issue with a multiplicity of pieces on film, really gear up for it. Sure hope we get that Fall issue pretty quick (wish I was there to help with the mailings, Chris). Travis Manning ************************* ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:16 PM > Hi all, > > This was Eric Samuelsen's response to my query about helping with an > Irreantum section on Kushner. It looks very, very good. > > It looks like the Mike Austin piece originally ran in Dialogue. I really > need to read it, and the other pieces listed in Gideon's database--but I > don't have access to Dialogue here. I may need someone to photocopy and > send items... We might want to consider reprinting Mike's piece, or at > least including a short bibliography (with annotations) of major criticism > of the play by Mormon authors and/or which looks at it from a Mormon > dimension. I'd be (probably) willing to do this, if I can get hold of > copies of the stuff. > > I'm beginning to think that the weakest piece will be my review... I'll go > ahead and write my piece, and send it out over AML-List, but if it doesn't > seem to be adding much, I'm certainly willing to see the other pieces go > into Irreantum without anything from me. > > Does anyone have any idea which issue we'd be shooting for for this, and > what the timeline for that issue would be? > > Jonathan > > > > Jonathan, > > It's a play I know very well, have seen in New York, loved, and would be > delighted to write about. Yes! This sounds terrific. > > I think Michael Austin has written about it. I also know that Sunstone did > an article a few years back, by Michael . . . . can't remember. He's a > friend of mine, teaches in Atlanta, it was a good article, but you know, > the mind goes. I'm doing this very quickly between classes, I'm sure to > remember and will write you when I do. > > Eric > > >>> Jonathan Langford 01/28/03 11:16AM >>> > Eric (with copy to Chris), > > I've been reading in some of the announcements over AML-List that Tony > Kushner's _Angels in America_ is going to be broadcast over HBO sometime > this year. Coincidentally, I just finished reading _Angels in America_ at > the prompting of a (nonmember) friend of mine. > > I'm going to be writing up a review of the two plays for AML-List--more or > less from the point of view of the relatively naive (in theatrical terms) > Mormon reader encountering this work (i.e., as myself). I've talked with > Chris Bigelow, and depending on how well I do with the review, there's some > interest in publishing it in Irreantum, as well. > > I also got to thinking ideally, such a "naive" review ought to be > accompanied by by an article by someone who knows what he's talking about, > in terms of modern theater, and could talk about the play and its Mormon > connection in those terms. In other words, you. Chris loved the idea, and > encouraged me to contact you. And so that's what I'm doing. > > Another idea we discussed would be to conduct an interview with Kushner for > Irreantum. Chris says he's had some contact with him, and could see about > the interview; I could certainly contribute some questions. I don't know > if Kushner has ever done an interview for a primarily Mormon audience, but > I think it would be an interesting twist. > > So, what are your thoughts on this? In particular: > > * Would you be interested in writing an article for Irreantum of the type > that I describe? If you'd rather not do it yourself (though I think you'd > be the ideal person to write such a thing), is there some other LDS theater > person you could recommend to do such an article? > > * Do you know what has been written by LDS critics about Kushner's work? I > assume there have been some articles in _Dialogue_ et al.; are you aware of > any that we should peruse before proceeding with this? (I have heard from > Gideon Burton that Michael Austin has written some on Kushner.) > > * What other thoughts do you have on what we could or ought to do for a > Kushner Irreantum focus? > > My own plan is to work on my review for AML-List (and, ultimately, > Irreantum) over the next several weeks. I'd certainly hope that your > article (if you wrote one) would jump off from mine, take issue with it, > correct any misconceptions, etc. > > What do you say? > > Jonathan > > jlangfor@pressenter.com > > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Some clarifications Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:34:21 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C87D.710C8BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Couple clarifications on Travis's post: <<< As far as when we do this issue with Angels in America, the Winter issue has the interview with Sherrie Dew, and the Spring issue we're tentatively planning a theme issue on film. I don't know how much we have going for the Winter/Dew issue, or the Spring/film issue, for that matter. Should we include the Angels in America in the film issue? It seems like a natural fit. We could do a solid job on that Spring issue with a multiplicity of pieces on film, really gear up for it. >>> Actually, the winter issue is focused on Mormon-related literature for young readers, with children's book author Rick Walton on the cover. The text for this issue is already in the can, and I just need to edit it and put it into the production pipeline. The spring issue (text deadline: March 15) is the one that should have Sheri Dew and Jana Riess on the cover. This is NOT a themed issue, so make sure you turn in a full load of your usual-type material for your department by March 15. The summer issue could be the film issue, if someone wants to step up and be the guest-editor in the driver's seat for it. (D. Michael, did you already say you want to do that?) It is not too early to start asking around and making assignments for this issue. Any Kushner material could fit quite well with that, since the filmed HBO production is the primary trigger of our coverage. The deadline for finalized text for the summer issue is June 15. <<< Sure hope we get that Fall issue pretty quick (wish I was there to help with the mailings, Chris). >>> We used to have tedious envelope-stuffing sessions, but our mailing is now processed by BYU. We don't have to do anything after I drop off the electronic file at the printers. I received my autumn issue in the mail on Tuesday. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C87D.710C8BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some clarifications

Couple clarifications on Travis's post:

<<<
As far as when we do this issue with Angels in = America, the Winter issue has
the interview with Sherrie Dew, and the Spring issue = we're tentatively
planning a theme issue on film.  I don't know = how much we have going for the
Winter/Dew issue, or the Spring/film issue, for that = matter.  Should we
include the Angels in America in the film = issue?  It seems like a natural
fit.  We could do a solid job on that Spring = issue with a multiplicity of
pieces on film, really gear up for it.
>>>

Actually, the winter issue is focused on = Mormon-related literature for young readers, with children's book = author Rick Walton on the cover. The text for this issue is already in = the can, and I just need to edit it and put it into the production = pipeline.

The spring issue (text deadline: March 15) is the one = that should have Sheri Dew and Jana Riess on the cover. This is NOT a = themed issue, so make sure you turn in a full load of your usual-type = material for your department by March 15.

The summer issue could be the film issue, if someone = wants to step up and be the guest-editor in the driver's seat for it. = (D. Michael, did you already say you want to do that?) It is not too = early to start asking around and making assignments for this issue. Any = Kushner material could fit quite well with that, since the filmed HBO = production is the primary trigger of our coverage. The deadline for = finalized text for the summer issue is June 15.

<<<
Sure hope we get that Fall issue pretty quick (wish = I was there to help with
the mailings, Chris).
>>>

We used to have tedious envelope-stuffing sessions, = but our mailing is now processed by BYU. We don't have to do anything = after I drop off the electronic file at the printers. I received my = autumn issue in the mail on Tuesday.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C87D.710C8BB0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Langford Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Some clarifications Date: 30 Jan 2003 14:28:17 -0600 March 15 seems very ambitious for getting in the Kushner stuff. Let's shoot for the summer issue, with the June 15 final text deadline. Does anyone know when _Angels_ will be playing on HBO? Jonathan jlangfor@pressenter.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 29 Jan 2003 14:38:07 -0700 "Travis K. Manning" wrote: > > Perhaps we could use this review of Singles Ward by Richard D., or perhaps he'd be willing to polish it up for our next issue of Irreantum. Just a thought. It might be nice to have him write a column or something on this since he's been so vocal about improving Mormon film art. Let's give him a microphone. I don't know. He's pretty reticent about playing the critic to other LDS films. He's done it rarely, and only when he reaches the point where he can't stand to hold back any longer. I, on the other hand, am thinking of an article that would involve all the major LDS filmmakers' opinions of how things are going, of which Dutcher would be one. Did we ever decide on a film issue, and when? -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 31 Jan 2003 22:59:26 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9B7.13D32CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Right now the plan for the film issue is summer 2003, final text deadline June 15. -----Original Message----- Sent: 1/29/2003 4:38 PM "Travis K. Manning" wrote: > > Perhaps we could use this review of Singles Ward by Richard D., or perhaps he'd be willing to polish it up for our next issue of Irreantum. Just a thought. It might be nice to have him write a column or something on this since he's been so vocal about improving Mormon film art. Let's give him a microphone. I don't know. He's pretty reticent about playing the critic to other LDS films. He's done it rarely, and only when he reaches the point where he can't stand to hold back any longer. I, on the other hand, am thinking of an article that would involve all the major LDS filmmakers' opinions of how things are going, of which Dutcher would be one. Did we ever decide on a film issue, and when? -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9B7.13D32CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Theme issues

Right now the plan for the film issue is summer 2003, final text deadline June 15.

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From: D. Michael Martindale
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Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues

"Travis K. Manning" wrote:
>
> Perhaps we could use this review of Singles Ward by Richard D., or
perhaps he'd be willing to polish it up for our next issue of Irreantum.
Just a thought.  It might be nice to have him write a column or
something on this since he's been so vocal about improving Mormon film
art.  Let's give him a microphone.


I don't know. He's pretty reticent about playing the critic to other LDS
films. He's done it rarely, and only when he reaches the point where he
can't stand to hold back any longer.

I, on the other hand, am thinking of an article that would involve all
the major LDS filmmakers' opinions of how things are going, of which
Dutcher would be one.

Did we ever decide on a film issue, and when?

--
D. Michael Martindale
dmichael@wwno.com

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9B7.13D32CC0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Theme issues Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:00:27 -0700 Christopher Bigelow wrote: > Sounds like a job for film editor D. Michael Martindale, if you're > interested, D. Mike. > > Perhaps also Marny Parkin might want to compile some AML-List comments > for her highlights. > > Come to think of it, I don't know if Michael got onto this list. You > here, Michael? I'm here, feverishly wending my way through a backlog of about a thousand e-mails. (I'm down to a mere 330 now.) Soounds like a possibility, but where on earth am I going to find someone who will spiritedly and intelligently defend "Singles Ward"? -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List