Irreantum Contest Winners

From: "Scott Parkin" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design Date: 01 Jul 2003 09:06:48 -0600 Quinn Warnick wrote: > I know the background color is a little too pastelly (is that a word?), but > I didn't want a plain white background, and the logical choice was blue > (Irreantum = many waters, water = blue). I know that there are a lot of > color variations between monitors, so everyone might be seeing a slightly > different thing. But I did add some more color over the weekend (darker blue > title font and a burgundy accent color) that will hopefully tone down the > pastel look. I find the new color scheme much easier to see, and I like the slightly bolder look. In fact, the only substantive suggestion I'd make at this point is to find a way to add just a tiny bit more color to it. I know...that's a personal thing, and I know there's a movement away from garish colors and unnecesary splashes--a movement that I generally agree with. But for me as an individual viewer the current design still seems a little flat. Would you be willing to prototype a version that uses the light blue background for the content against a complementary body background? In other words, the page on a desktop effect? espn.com is a good example. They go even further and add column rules and an outside borderline (along with a *lot* of drop shadows), which I think are too much, especially in light of both our content and our audience. But the floating page look creates a sense of dynamic color without actually doing anything to the content itself. Just a thought. As I say, I find the current look quite readable and easy to scan. Adding the AML logo helped break up the horizontal rules for me--they're all still in there, but now they don't join as much to create the full-width rules that I thought I saw in the first prototype. Good stuff. Thank you. Scott -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Parkin" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design Date: 01 Jul 2003 10:18:47 -0600 This is one of those "defending the honor of CSS in particular and standards in general" notes. If you're not interested in why I think Quinn's use of CSS formatting is not only a good idea, but the right way to do things, you can skip this. It contains no other relevant content. D. Michael Martindale wrote: > I'm using an "evil" browser--Netscape 4. It's not about evil, it's about compliance to the standards of the World Wide Web as established by the official standards body--the World Wide Web Consortium (aka, W3C). Netscape's version 4 browsers were not compliant with the standards of the governing body--as they were established and approved at the time that Netscape released those browsers. One of the hazards of rapidly developing technology is that standards evolve and perfectly adequate applications rapidly go out of date. I still use Word 5.1 for Macintosh because it does everything I want it to and very little that I don't (about ten years out of date, I think). But that means I simply can't open some newer documents--even some newer Word documents. And WordPerfect documents remain an unknowable mystery. It has nothing to do with evil. But choices have consequences. > I don't feel like going through > the rigmarole of updating. It works fine until someone like you comes > along and decides they just _need_ to be modern. Darn that whole "progress" thing; it just gets in the way. Lowest common denominator should be the standard of development for all artistic efforts. Seriously, though, Quinn makes an excellent point about some of the reasons for using the standards established by the W3C in constructing Web pages. The use of cascading style sheets (CSS) enables quite a few things, including (but not limited to): * Verbal rendering for the blind. Style directives can provide additional content for speech-enabled browsers that make it accessible for those readers--including the gender and pitch of the voice, the relative speed, and additional navigation aids that only speech-enabled browsers can play, like alert tones or pauses. * Relative font sizes. While Quinn did specify exact font size rather than relative ones, compliant browsers allow users to just click a "larger" or "smaller" button to scale all the text sizes up and down. That makes it easier for people like Travis to keep their screen at higher resolution (so they can see more stuff) while still blowing up the text inside their Web browsers to readable sizes (all while maintaining the artistic integrity of the page design). A great aid for the visually impaired. * Easy content reuse. HTML is a highly structured presentation language anyway, but it doesn't always differentiate one kind of content from another, so indexing or reusing content requires manual evaluation or reformatting. For example, using CSS/XHTML one could create an "article" style class (or even a custom tag) that formats interviews and articles using a specific set of visual settings. One could create another style class called "fiction" with the same visual formats that was applied to short stories or novel excerpts. Though both styles display exactly the same, it would now be much easier to build a simple XML application that extracted all articles from an issue and displayed them in an extended index--the AML application just looks for any content contained within a tag that uses a CSS class name of "article." The simple XML application could extract the title and author (also tagged) and build a link from the index to the content in the original issue, then format it appropriately. Most importantly, it could all be done automatically. Creating additional services for readers and scholars becomes quite easy, and helps extend the mission of the AML. All because we complied with the W3C guidelines for Web page development. > If that's more > important to the web creators than communicating with me, then I just > brush them off and surf on. As far as I'm concerned, if it can't be done > with tables, it's not necessary. But then I'm not one of these > superficial web browsers who needs flash. I just need content. Tables were never really intended to be a page layout scheme, though that's how they've primarily been used. They were intended to make the presentation of regular, tabular content simple (and reusable). In other words, to do tables of values. But the other limits of HTML made the use tables as a page layout element very attractive, so that's how most people use them. Still, that's not what they're designed for, and it's not what they're optimized to do. CSS takes over the visual heavy lifting so that tables can be uses as tables again. And CSS is *much* easier to use. To some degree it's a "purist" thing, and I really admire elegantly built code. CSS is the best way to handle visual formatting, and it's the toolset the W3C built for that purpose. I can use another tool to meet my needs, but why not use the tool that was specifically intended for that purpose? > That's how I feel. You can decide for yourself if my obstinate attitude > is one you want to take into account in your design. That's what I love about this place--we're all allowed to both have and express our opinions and beliefs. Keep talking! Scott -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Irreantum Contest Winners Date: 01 Jul 2003 10:13:40 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FEB.BC84F380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Association for Mormon Letters (AML) is pleased to announce the winners of the third annual Irreantum Fiction Contest. This year the judges, led by Irreantum fiction editor Quinn Warnick, considered 77 entries without knowing who the authors were. They awarded three prizes and made four honorable mentions: First Place ($250) "The Education of Little Tree Boy," Coke Newell, Layton, UT Second Place ($175) "Trying," Angela Hallstrom, White Bear Township, MN Third Place ($100) "Haun's Mill," Coke Newell, Layton, UT Honorable Mentions (listed alphabetically) "Meek Shall Inherit," Samuel Brown, Cambridge, MA "Ramona's Signs," Richard J. Butler, Provo, UT "Sacred Places," Angie Lofthouse, Springville, UT "Mysterious Ways," Matt Toronto, New York, NY Warnick said he plans to publish the three winning entries in the autumn 2003 issue of Irreantum, the AML's literary quarterly. He hopes to publish all or most of the honorable mentions sometime during the next year. (For a copy of the autumn 2003 issue, which won't appear until nearly the end of 2003, send $6 to AML, PO Box 51364, Provo, UT 84605. Be sure to specify the autumn 2003 issue, otherwise you will be sent whatever issue is current.) Next year's Irreantum Fiction Contest will be announced early in 2004. With no official connection to the LDS Church, Irreantum is supported by a grant from the Utah Arts Council and the National Endowment for the Arts, Washington, D.C. For more information about Irreantum, keep an eye on Irreantum.org or contact us at irreantum2@cs.com. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FEB.BC84F380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Irreantum Contest Winners

The Association for Mormon Letters (AML) is pleased = to announce the winners of the third annual Irreantum Fiction Contest. = This year the judges, led by Irreantum fiction editor Quinn Warnick, = considered 77 entries without knowing who the authors were. They = awarded three prizes and made four honorable mentions:

First Place ($250)
"The Education of Little Tree Boy," Coke = Newell, Layton, UT

Second Place ($175)
"Trying," Angela Hallstrom, White Bear = Township, MN

Third Place ($100)
"Haun's Mill," Coke Newell, Layton, = UT

Honorable Mentions (listed alphabetically)
"Meek Shall Inherit," Samuel Brown, = Cambridge, MA
"Ramona's Signs," Richard J. Butler, = Provo, UT
"Sacred Places," Angie Lofthouse, = Springville, UT
"Mysterious Ways," Matt Toronto, New York, = NY

Warnick said he plans to publish the three winning = entries in the autumn 2003 issue of Irreantum, the AML's literary = quarterly. He hopes to publish all or most of the honorable mentions = sometime during the next year. (For a copy of the autumn 2003 issue, = which won't appear until nearly the end of 2003, send $6 to AML, PO Box = 51364, Provo, UT 84605. Be sure to specify the autumn 2003 issue, = otherwise you will be sent whatever issue is current.)

Next year's Irreantum Fiction Contest will be = announced early in 2004. With no official connection to the LDS Church, = Irreantum is supported by a grant from the Utah Arts Council and the = National Endowment for the Arts, Washington, D.C. For more information = about Irreantum, keep an eye on Irreantum.org or contact us at = irreantum2@cs.com.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FEB.BC84F380-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design Date: 01 Jul 2003 11:45:43 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FF8.983B7AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Again, if anyone gives me any particular author name(s), I will run them on the database and give you whatever contact info I've got. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:12 PM I like Marny's idea to contact past authors of Irreantum and let them know what we're doing with Irreantum Online. It's just one more way to strengthen our network of submitters and subscribers, to spread "the good word" of Irreantum, to maintain that professional relationship with authors and readers. Travis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:46 PM So we could put up any issue's PDF as long as it's complete. Cool! My approach on sample printed copies is to usually charge higher (to account for extra postage costs) but occasionally run a free sample promo. -----Original Message----- ] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 5:03 PM >When it comes to offering FREE PDFs of Irreantum, I'm wondering if we >shouldn't just do one PDF for now, to give potential readers/subscribers: >publishers, librarians, bookstore owners, readers and writers. Getting >permission for everyone who has ever written for Irreantum will perhaps be a >pain in our kiester. For the future, we could perhaps have authors >automatically fill out and submit an electronic (or paper) copyright form, >which includes online publishing in Irreantum Online. But what happens if >one author of an entire issue of Irreantum refuses to submit, or we cannot >receive permission from said author to e-publish? I guess we keep "the >text" in the Table of Contents but delete their creative contribution, and >then we can give away that free PDF minus "that one author." We can also >have a FAQs section. We could also offer cheaper subscriptions to Irreantum >Online to teachers, librarians, or students (perhaps drastically cheaper for >students). We have the right to distribute (print or pdf or otherwise) the ENTIRE issue of Irreantum. We only have to ask permission of individual authors to distribute individual pieces (print or on the web or pdf or whatever). However, it would be nice to let previous authors know what we are doing. It could be done as a single email sent to all of them. We can ask permission to post individual pieces in the same letter, asking for a specific yes or no response. Often, magazines charge a higher rate for sample copies, but in our case a free sample may be a good idea. Marny -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FF8.983B7AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design

Again, if anyone gives me any particular author name(s), I will run them on the database and give you whatever contact info I've got.

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:12 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design

I like Marny's idea to contact past authors of Irreantum and let them know what we're doing with Irreantum Online. It's just one more way to strengthen our network of submitters and subscribers, to spread "the good word" of Irreantum, to maintain that professional relationship with authors and readers.

Travis

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher Bigelow

To: 'irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com'

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:46 PM

Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design

So we could put up any issue's PDF as long as it's complete. Cool!

My approach on sample printed copies is to usually charge higher (to account for extra postage costs) but occasionally run a free sample promo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marny Parkin [mailto:marnyparkin@pxi.net]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 5:03 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Design

>When it comes to offering FREE PDFs of Irreantum, I'm wondering if we
>shouldn't just do one PDF for now, to give potential readers/subscribers:
>publishers, librarians, bookstore owners, readers and writers. Getting
>permission for everyone who has ever written for Irreantum will perhaps be a
>pain in our kiester. For the future, we could perhaps have authors
>automatically fill out and submit an electronic (or paper) copyright form,
>which includes online publishing in Irreantum Online. But what happens if
>one author of an entire issue of Irreantum refuses to submit, or we cannot
>receive permission from said author to e-publish? I guess we keep "the
>text" in the Table of Contents but delete their creative contribution, and
>then we can give away that free PDF minus "that one author." We can also
>have a FAQs section. We could also offer cheaper subscriptions to Irreantum
>Online to teachers, librarians, or students (perhaps drastically cheaper for
>students).

We have the right to distribute (print or pdf or otherwise) the
ENTIRE issue of Irreantum. We only have to ask permission of
individual authors to distribute individual pieces (print or on the
web or pdf or whatever). However, it would be nice to let previous
authors know what we are doing. It could be done as a single email
sent to all of them. We can ask permission to post individual pieces
in the same letter, asking for a specific yes or no response.

Often, magazines charge a higher rate for sample copies, but in our
case a free sample may be a good idea.

Marny

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C33FF8.983B7AA0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Tables of Contents Online Date: 05 Jul 2003 14:04:24 -0600 Chris sent me all of his Quark files, so I've now got tables of contents online for all but the first four issues (Chris, if you have those files, send them my way, OK?). The formatting for these pages will definitely change before we go live, but I wanted to get the pages up so each section editor could browse through them and pick a piece or two from each issue that will be featured online. As we've talked about before, we need to get specific permission from authors of these back issues before we put their stuff online. Chris pointed out that we own the interviews, so I'll start putting those into the database and wait for responses from each of you as to which pieces you'd like on the site. Because it's going to take awhile to get everything formatted, let's start with the most recent issue and work backwards. I'm hoping that we can have one or two pieces from each section featured online. Has anyone taken the time to modify our copyright statement to allow us to put certain things online? Maybe we should have some stock language to use when contacting authors about this project. We could email them the official statement asking for permission and their affirmative email response would indicate acceptance of the terms. (Chris, should we forward those acceptances to you to keep on file?) I'm not a copyright expert, so I'll leave that to someone else. For now, I hope you'll all take a minute to check these pages and start thinking about what you'd like to see online. Thanks, Quinn ******** Here they are: http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2003springtoc.html OLD ISSUES I'M STILL MISSING: March 1999: Fiction by Ed Snow, essay by Benson Parkinson, more June 1999: Interview with Marvin Payne, essay by Robert Paxton, more Sept. 1999: Interview with Levi Peterson, fiction by John Bennion, more Winter 1999-2000: Interview with Rachel Ann Nunes, fiction by Scott R.Parkin, more -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Tables of Contents Online Date: 07 Jul 2003 10:25:16 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A4.59595D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The TOCs for the first four issues are at http://www.aml-online.org/irreantum/toc.html. It looks like I do have postscript files of the first 4 issues, which I will send you, Quinn. Let me know if they work. Yes, I can keep a file of acceptances. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:04 PM Chris sent me all of his Quark files, so I've now got tables of contents online for all but the first four issues (Chris, if you have those files, send them my way, OK?). The formatting for these pages will definitely change before we go live, but I wanted to get the pages up so each section editor could browse through them and pick a piece or two from each issue that will be featured online. As we've talked about before, we need to get specific permission from authors of these back issues before we put their stuff online. Chris pointed out that we own the interviews, so I'll start putting those into the database and wait for responses from each of you as to which pieces you'd like on the site. Because it's going to take awhile to get everything formatted, let's start with the most recent issue and work backwards. I'm hoping that we can have one or two pieces from each section featured online. Has anyone taken the time to modify our copyright statement to allow us to put certain things online? Maybe we should have some stock language to use when contacting authors about this project. We could email them the official statement asking for permission and their affirmative email response would indicate acceptance of the terms. (Chris, should we forward those acceptances to you to keep on file?) I'm not a copyright expert, so I'll leave that to someone else. For now, I hope you'll all take a minute to check these pages and start thinking about what you'd like to see online. Thanks, Quinn ******** Here they are: http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002springtoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002summertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002autumntoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002wintertoc.html http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2003springtoc.html OLD ISSUES I'M STILL MISSING: March 1999: Fiction by Ed Snow, essay by Benson Parkinson, more June 1999: Interview with Marvin Payne, essay by Robert Paxton, more Sept. 1999: Interview with Levi Peterson, fiction by John Bennion, more Winter 1999-2000: Interview with Rachel Ann Nunes, fiction by Scott R.Parkin, more -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A4.59595D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Tables of Contents Online

The TOCs for the first four issues are at http://www.aml-online.org/irreantum/toc.html. It = looks like I do have postscript files of the first 4 issues, which I = will send you, Quinn. Let me know if they work.

Yes, I can keep a file of acceptances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn Warnick [mailto:quinn@whiteshoe.org]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:04 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Tables of Contents = Online

Chris sent me all of his Quark files, so I've now got = tables of contents
online for all but the first four issues (Chris, if = you have those files,
send them my way, OK?).

The formatting for these pages will definitely change = before we go live, but
I wanted to get the pages up so each section editor = could browse through
them and pick a piece or two from each issue that = will be featured online.

As we've talked about before, we need to get specific = permission from
authors of these back issues before we put their = stuff online. Chris pointed
out that we own the interviews, so I'll start = putting those into the
database and wait for responses from each of you as = to which pieces you'd
like on the site. Because it's going to take awhile = to get everything
formatted, let's start with the most recent issue = and work backwards. I'm
hoping that we can have one or two pieces from each = section featured online.

Has anyone taken the time to modify our copyright = statement to allow us to
put certain things online? Maybe we should have some = stock language to use
when contacting authors about this project. We could = email them the official
statement asking for permission and their = affirmative email response would
indicate acceptance of the terms. (Chris, should we = forward those
acceptances to you to keep on file?)

I'm not a copyright expert, so I'll leave that to = someone else. For now, I
hope you'll all take a minute to check these pages = and start thinking about
what you'd like to see online.

Thanks,

Quinn

********
Here they are:

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000springtoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000summertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000autumntoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2000wintertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001springtoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001summertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001autumntoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2001wintertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002springtoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002summertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002autumntoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2002wintertoc.html

http://www.irreantum.org/archive/2003springtoc.html

OLD ISSUES I'M STILL MISSING:

March 1999: Fiction by Ed Snow, essay by Benson = Parkinson, more

June 1999: Interview with Marvin Payne, essay by = Robert Paxton, more

Sept. 1999: Interview with Levi Peterson, fiction by = John Bennion, more

Winter 1999-2000: Interview with Rachel Ann Nunes, = fiction by Scott
R.Parkin, more

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Wow, site is looking absolutely fantastic.

In the left column, I think you should swap the = positions of the AML logo with the paragraph starting "Irreantum = is . . ." And in that paragraph, the AML hyperlink is almost too = light to see.

I can proofread and reconcile any interviews you = include.

I'm fine with "Interesting Links" as a = title. Or you could go with "Related Links."

We need someone to gather copyright agreements from 3 = other publications so we can cobble our own. Anyone volunteer to search = for some online?

-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn Warnick [mailto:quinn@whiteshoe.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:09 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online

| I've sort of forgotten what I committed to help you = with in regard to
| _Irreantum Online_, a few weeks back. Can = you update us on what sort of
| assistance you still need help with?

I promise I didn't pay Travis to write this email. It = just happened to come
the day before I planned to email the list with my = second request for help.
Here's a quick update as to the status of Irreantum = Online:

I'm finally happy (for now) with the look of the = site. (If you've forgotten
the location, it's http://www.irreantum.org/testing.html) Per = requests from
people on this list, I have:

- Added additional padding between the columns (and = decreased the overall
width of the three columns) to give it a little more = white (light blue,
actually) space.
- Increased the left and right margins (to = accommodate those with lower
screen resolutions).
- Changed the masthead image so the = "Online" in "IrreantumOnline" is more
visible.
- Increased the size of the "In Our Current = Issue" column header (hopefully
this draw the eye to the center column).
- Added the AML logo (albeit a watermark version = that matches the site's
color scheme a little better).
- Changed the font sizes for titles and author = names, as well as created
graphics to differentiate between genres.
- Created a new menu in the left column.
- Made the text of the site accessible to all = browsers, with a gentle nudge
at the bottom of the screen encouraging people to = update their browsers
(note: if you're using a standards-compliant = browser, you won't see this).

I'm sure there have been a few other changes, but = I've tweaked the site so
many times that I can't remember what's new anymore. = If you have additional
design suggestions, please send them to me, and I'll = do my best to
incorporate them. Specifically, I'm looking for = feedback on the new menu --
I know the links don't work right now (I'm currently = coding the template for
those pages), but are there other links you'd like = to see in that menu? Or
any that you'd like to see removed? The = "Interesting Links" section needs a
new name, in my opinion. Any suggestions? That will = be the page that links
to other LDS-themed sites (Mormon lit database, = Sunstone, Dialogue, the
Church's website, etc.), and I'm currently trying to = compile a list of sites
that should go on that page. Please send suggestions = my way and I'll add
them to the mock-up.

Finally, let me answer Travis's question -- This may = not make sense to
everybody, but bear with me. Because the site is = template driven, once I've
got the main templates designed, the site literally = builds itself. Content
and design are completely separate, and I've been = spending most of my time
up to this point on design. But I could really use = some help with the
content. I have extracted the text from all of the = old Quark files that
Chris sent me, but formatting is completely lost = when I do this. Hence, each
piece that we want to put online needs to be proofed = against the printed
version (or PDF version, I guess) for things like = italics, bold face, and
special characters (em dashes mainly). You don't = need to know HTML to do
this -- I can teach anyone interested how to prepare = a plaintext file for
use in the site's database.

Right now, I've got three pieces from our current = issue in the database (one
interview, which we have copyright to; one essay, = which my wife happened to
write and which she's consented to put online; and = one story, for which we
still need copyright permission -- anyone want to = contact Katherine
Woodbury?). Ideally, I'd like to have one piece from = each genre online for
each issue. I have tentatively created the following = genres (interview,
fiction, essay, poetry, review), which would mean we = feature five things
from each issue. We may have more, we may have less, = given the willingness
of authors to grant copyright permission. But if we = could have pieces from
the three most recent issues online when the site = goes live, that would be
great. Then we can work our way backward to the = earlier issues.

I see three specific things that need to = happen:

1. I need volunteers to prepare text for the site. = Honestly, it's quite
easy. Let me know if you're interested. However, = this won't do much good
until we complete #2.

2. We need to contact authors to get their permission = to put their pieces
online. Should I make a general posting to the = AML-List (I know a lot of our
authors subscribe) asking people to email me if = they're interested? I know
that several of them would jump at the chance. But = before we can do this, #3
needs to happen.

3. We need to draft language to ask for permission = for previously published
work, as well as language to use from here on out. = For future issues, I
envision having two versions of copyright permission = -- one that grants
first serial rights and one that grants first serial = rights AND online
rights. We send both paragraphs to the author via = email and ask them to
respond by cutting and pasting the paragraph they = prefer into an email. They
can send this to the section editor or to = copyright@irreantum.org (for
instance). Chris can then keep all of those emails = on file.

Anything I'm forgetting? If no one has taken a crack = at drafting a copyright
permissions statement, I'll be happy to do it. The = site can't move forward
until that happens.

Thanks again for all of your help with ideas for the = look and feel of the
site. I'm always open to criticism, so keep it = coming. Also, let me know if
you're interesting in getting involved in one of the = above-mentioned ways.

Thanks,

Quinn

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34BB4.D5049670-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 16 Jul 2003 10:35:13 -0600 >I'm sure there have been a few other changes, but I've tweaked the site so >many times that I can't remember what's new anymore. If you have additional >design suggestions, please send them to me, and I'll do my best to >incorporate them. Specifically, I'm looking for feedback on the new menu -- >I know the links don't work right now (I'm currently coding the template for >those pages), but are there other links you'd like to see in that menu? Or >any that you'd like to see removed? The "Interesting Links" section needs a >new name, in my opinion. Any suggestions? That will be the page that links >to other LDS-themed sites (Mormon lit database, Sunstone, Dialogue, the >Church's website, etc.), and I'm currently trying to compile a list of sites >that should go on that page. Please send suggestions my way and I'll add >them to the mock-up. You could call it "related sites." Another suggestion: The body text and byline text of the features and the "Irreantum is the magazine of..." text is too small to be legible (although it may also be the font). It could be as big as "interview" and "essay." We should probably say "Irreantum Interview" instead of "The Irreantum Interview" since we frequently have more than one. I would like to see a calendar similar to the one on the AML site that is keep current. Or we could just have a "workshops and conferences" section on the links page. >Right now, I've got three pieces from our current issue in the database (one >interview, which we have copyright to; one essay, which my wife happened to >write and which she's consented to put online; and one story, for which we >still need copyright permission -- anyone want to contact Katherine >Woodbury?). I will send Katherine a note this morning. >I have extracted the text from all of the old Quark files that >Chris sent me, but formatting is completely lost when I do this. Hence, each >piece that we want to put online needs to be proofed against the printed >version (or PDF version, I guess) for things like italics, bold face, and >special characters (em dashes mainly). You don't need to know HTML to do >this -- I can teach anyone interested how to prepare a plaintext file for >use in the site's database. This is easier to do while the text is still in XPress. I know how to add bold and italic and em-dash tags, so if you'd like to send me the files, I can do the extraction and web preparation. >2. We need to contact authors to get their permission to put their pieces >online. Should I make a general posting to the AML-List (I know a lot of our >authors subscribe) asking people to email me if they're interested? I know >that several of them would jump at the chance. But before we can do this, #3 >needs to happen. Most of my authors are not on AML-List, so I will need to contact them personally. >3. We need to draft language to ask for permission for previously published >work, as well as language to use from here on out. For future issues, I >envision having two versions of copyright permission -- one that grants >first serial rights and one that grants first serial rights AND online >rights. We send both paragraphs to the author via email and ask them to >respond by cutting and pasting the paragraph they prefer into an email. They >can send this to the section editor or to copyright@irreantum.org (for >instance). Chris can then keep all of those emails on file. Unfortunately, there are more than two situations to consider. A large percentage of the stories I select are reprints, so we are not asking for first serial rights but one-time reprint rights. And novel extracts are a different beast entirely; permission usually needs to be granted by the publisher, not the author, depending on their contract. I have a lawyer friend who would probably be willing to help us on this, if you'd like me to ask. Marny -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:28:40 -0400 Chris wrote: | In the left column, I think you should swap the positions of the AML logo | with the paragraph starting "Irreantum is . . ." And in that paragraph, the | AML hyperlink is almost too light to see. I'll darken the color for "visited" links and try swapping the AML logo and the paragraph of text. I think I had it that way and didn't like it (if I remember right, I thought it conflicted with the menu too much), but I'll try it again. Marny wrote: | You could call it "related sites." I like that one best. I'll change it to that. | Another suggestion: The body text and byline text of the features and | the "Irreantum is the magazine of..." text is too small to be legible | (although it may also be the font). It could be as big as "interview" | and "essay." We should probably say "Irreantum Interview" instead of | "The Irreantum Interview" since we frequently have more than one. What browser are you using? And have you tried increasing the font size in your browser? The text is all done in "ems" rather than pixels, which gives the user complete control over the size of the site. That said, I want to find a good size that is appealing to most people. And I admit that I like my text smaller than the average user. About "The Irreantum Interview" -- That's what the feature used to be called in the magazine until a few issues ago. I came across it while going through old Quark files, and I liked it, so I used it on the site. If there are objections to that, I'd probably switch it to plain old "Interview." Likewise, the magazine has alternately used "fiction" and "story" to label its short stories, and for the site, I went with "fiction," which will allow us to do novel excerpts under the same category. | This is easier to do while the text is still in XPress. I know how to | add bold and italic and em-dash tags, so if you'd like to send me the | files, I can do the extraction and web preparation. I'll go back to Quark and see if I can pull this off. If so, life will be very good. If I can't figure it out, I'll pick your brain or send the files your way. Thanks for the tip. | Most of my authors are not on AML-List, so I will need to contact | them personally. Once we get the legal jargon worked out, will you go ahead and start contacting people who might be interested in having their writing featured online? We should probably make it clear in the permissions statement that we MAY use the piece online. At some point we need to decide how much of the content we want to put on the site. I vote for holding back at least some of it in order to create an incentive to subscribe to the print version. | I have a lawyer friend who would probably be willing to help us on | this, if you'd like me to ask. Sounds great. I think it would be nice if we had stock language to cover several different scenarios (reprint, excerpt, first serial rights, online rights, etc.) and then the section editors could have the authors email us with the rights they're willing to grant. We could even put the copyright language in an administrative section of the website (not open to the public) so we all have access to it. Quinn -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:23:45 -0600 >| Another suggestion: The body text and byline text of the features and >| the "Irreantum is the magazine of..." text is too small to be legible >| (although it may also be the font). It could be as big as "interview" >| and "essay." We should probably say "Irreantum Interview" instead of >| "The Irreantum Interview" since we frequently have more than one. > >What browser are you using? And have you tried increasing the font size in >your browser? The text is all done in "ems" rather than pixels, which gives >the user complete control over the size of the site. That said, I want to >find a good size that is appealing to most people. And I admit that I like >my text smaller than the average user. I'm using IE 5.1 on a Mac. I haven't changed any text settings since the last mock-up, so I don't know why it is smaller now; last time it was fine. My font size is set at 12pt. Kate Woodbury has given permission to use her story on the site, so go ahead with that text. Marny -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 09:38:01 -0700 Fellow Irreantum Editors, What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) Potential meeting agenda discussion points: (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, etc. (2) author contract (3) funding / grants update (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts readership (5) impressions of LDSBA convention (6) etc. Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. Travis -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 13:07:19 -0700 Sounds fine. I'll be at leaving Sunstone at 6:15-ish. Since I'm not from Utah, I have no idea about Friday traffic--will it be hard to get to Provo by 7?? (in LA one would never attempt a Friday evening drive on the freeway anywhere without a few stiff drinks first). I'll bring Hershey's chocolate syrup (or an equivalent, though my husband would probably say there is no equivalent). If I can get to a store for something fresh I'll pick up some fruit, too (bananas, berries, etc). The agenda looks good to me. --Jana ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:38 AM > Fellow Irreantum Editors, > > What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 > p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? > > I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split > topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum > Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) > > Potential meeting agenda discussion points: > > (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, > etc. > (2) author contract > (3) funding / grants update > (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts > readership > (5) impressions of LDSBA convention > (6) etc. > > Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. > > Travis > > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 14:27:40 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35546.B1361890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds good to me. I've written it in my planner. Remind me to post directions to my house, because you'll definitely need them. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:38 AM Fellow Irreantum Editors, What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) Potential meeting agenda discussion points: (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, etc. (2) author contract (3) funding / grants update (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts readership (5) impressions of LDSBA convention (6) etc. Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. Travis -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35546.B1361890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting

Sounds good to me. I've written it in my planner. = Remind me to post directions to my house, because you'll definitely = need them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com= ]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:38 AM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial = meeting

Fellow Irreantum Editors,

What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on = Friday August 15 at 7
p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo?

I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can = each bring our fav banana split
topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and = our new Irreantum
Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring = the icecream?)

Potential meeting agenda discussion points:

(1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for = maintaining the site,
etc.
(2) author contract
(3) funding / grants update
(4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, = and Mormon arts
readership
(5) impressions of LDSBA convention
(6) etc.

Let us know about the date for our shindig, and = further discussion points.

Travis

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35546.B1361890-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 14:29:52 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35547.0021CD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You might hit some traffic, but hopefully not too bad. My guess is you'll arrive closer to 7:15-7:30. I forgot to confirm that I'll provide the ice cream. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:07 PM Sounds fine. I'll be at leaving Sunstone at 6:15-ish. Since I'm not from Utah, I have no idea about Friday traffic--will it be hard to get to Provo by 7?? (in LA one would never attempt a Friday evening drive on the freeway anywhere without a few stiff drinks first). I'll bring Hershey's chocolate syrup (or an equivalent, though my husband would probably say there is no equivalent). If I can get to a store for something fresh I'll pick up some fruit, too (bananas, berries, etc). The agenda looks good to me. --Jana ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:38 AM > Fellow Irreantum Editors, > > What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 > p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? > > I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split > topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum > Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) > > Potential meeting agenda discussion points: > > (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, > etc. > (2) author contract > (3) funding / grants update > (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts > readership > (5) impressions of LDSBA convention > (6) etc. > > Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. > > Travis > > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35547.0021CD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting

You might hit some traffic, but hopefully not too bad. My guess is you'll arrive closer to 7:15-7:30.

I forgot to confirm that I'll provide the ice cream.

-----Original Message-----
From: jana [mailto:remyj@uci.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:07 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting

Sounds fine. I'll be at leaving Sunstone at 6:15-ish. Since I'm not from
Utah, I have no idea about Friday traffic--will it be hard to get to Provo
by 7?? (in LA one would never attempt a Friday evening drive on the freeway
anywhere without a few stiff drinks first).

I'll bring Hershey's chocolate syrup (or an equivalent, though my husband
would probably say there is no equivalent). If I can get to a store for
something fresh I'll pick up some fruit, too (bananas, berries, etc).

The agenda looks good to me.
--Jana

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis K. Manning" <tmanning.eagle@sisna.com>
To: <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting

> Fellow Irreantum Editors,
>
> What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7
> p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo?
>
> I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana
split
> topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum
> Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?)
>
> Potential meeting agenda discussion points:
>
> (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the
site,
> etc.
> (2) author contract
> (3) funding / grants update
> (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts
> readership
> (5) impressions of LDSBA convention
> (6) etc.
>
> Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points.
>
> Travis
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35547.0021CD00-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 16:42:45 -0400 I'll be there, but maybe a few minutes late. 7:30 would be perfect for me, but if 7:00 works better for others, I'll just get there as soon as I can. I'll bring the caramel. Quinn PS - I forgot what we decided -- Is this a bring spouses event or not? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:38 PM | Fellow Irreantum Editors, | | What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 | p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? | | I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split | topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum | Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) | | Potential meeting agenda discussion points: | | (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, | etc. | (2) author contract | (3) funding / grants update | (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts | readership | (5) impressions of LDSBA convention | (6) etc. | | Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. | | Travis | | | | -- | Irreantum Editor's Discussion List | | -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 14:40:58 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35548.8CFAF890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It sounds like 7:30 might be a better time. I'm fine if spouses want to come. If they get bored, they can watch a video in the basement. (Or maybe we'll take the basement, where it's cooler, and they can have upstairs.) -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:43 PM I'll be there, but maybe a few minutes late. 7:30 would be perfect for me, but if 7:00 works better for others, I'll just get there as soon as I can. I'll bring the caramel. Quinn PS - I forgot what we decided -- Is this a bring spouses event or not? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:38 PM | Fellow Irreantum Editors, | | What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 | p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? | | I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split | topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum | Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) | | Potential meeting agenda discussion points: | | (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, | etc. | (2) author contract | (3) funding / grants update | (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts | readership | (5) impressions of LDSBA convention | (6) etc. | | Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. | | Travis | | | | -- | Irreantum Editor's Discussion List | | -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35548.8CFAF890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting

It sounds like 7:30 might be a better time.

I'm fine if spouses want to come. If they get bored, = they can watch a video in the basement. (Or maybe we'll take the = basement, where it's cooler, and they can have upstairs.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn Warnick [mailto:quinn@whiteshoe.org]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:43 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial = meeting

I'll be there, but maybe a few minutes late. 7:30 = would be perfect for me,
but if 7:00 works better for others, I'll just get = there as soon as I can.

I'll bring the caramel.

Quinn

PS - I forgot what we decided -- Is this a bring = spouses event or not?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis K. Manning" = <tmanning.eagle@sisna.com>
To: <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial = meeting

| Fellow Irreantum Editors,
|
| What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on = Friday August 15 at 7
| p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo?
|
| I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can = each bring our fav banana
split
| topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum = and our new Irreantum
| Online. (Chris, would you be willing to = bring the icecream?)
|
| Potential meeting agenda discussion points:
|
| (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy = for maintaining the
site,
| etc.
| (2) author contract
| (3) funding / grants update
| (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow = Irreantum, and Mormon arts
| readership
| (5) impressions of LDSBA convention
| (6) etc.
|
| Let us know about the date for our shindig, and = further discussion points.
|
| Travis
|
|
|
| --
| Irreantum Editor's Discussion List = <irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com>
|
|

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35548.8CFAF890-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: [irr-ed] Re: {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 28 Jul 2003 15:13:27 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3551A.CBE06FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meetingHey Chris, Can you provide directions to get to your place? (I'll be on vacation = here in a few days and won't have access to this email account until the = end of August.) All, I think it would be nice to have spouses come and particiapte as = many of ours are likely at least tertiarily involved in Irreantum and = their understanding and feedback on Irreantum's future is important, = IMO. You know, share the information load, the vision of Mormon letters = and so on. Involving spouses might encourage them to assist with AML = and help them feel included. So it sounds like 7:30 p.m. on Friday August 15 then at Biggies house in = Happy Valley. Travis P.S. I'll leave my topping as a surprise, in the spirit of a "true = potluck". . . .=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christopher Bigelow=20 To: 'irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Sounds good to me. I've written it in my planner. Remind me to post = directions to my house, because you'll definitely need them. -----Original Message-----=20 From: Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:38 AM=20 To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting=20 Fellow Irreantum Editors,=20 What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at = 7=20 p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo?=20 I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana = split=20 topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum=20 Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?)=20 Potential meeting agenda discussion points:=20 (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the = site,=20 etc.=20 (2) author contract=20 (3) funding / grants update=20 (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts=20 readership=20 (5) impressions of LDSBA convention=20 (6) etc.=20 Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion = points.=20 Travis=20 --=20 Irreantum Editor's Discussion List =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3551A.CBE06FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial = meeting

Hey Chris,

Can you provide directions to get to your place? = (I'll be on=20 vacation here in a few days and won't have access to this email account = until=20 the end of August.)

All, I think it would be nice to have spouses come = and=20 particiapte as many of ours are likely at least tertiarily involved in = Irreantum=20 and their understanding and feedback on Irreantum's future is important, = IMO. You know, share the information load, the vision of Mormon = letters=20 and so on. Involving spouses might encourage them to assist with = AML and=20 help them feel included.

So it sounds like 7:30 p.m. on Friday August 15 then = at=20 Biggies house in Happy Valley.

Travis

P.S. I'll leave my topping as a surprise, in the = spirit of a=20 "true potluck". . . .

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Christopher = Bigelow
To: 'irreantum-ed@lists.xmi= ssion.com'=20

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 = 1:27 PM

Subject: RE: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] = August=20 editorial meeting

Sounds good to me. I've written it in my planner. = Remind me to=20 post directions to my house, because you'll definitely need = them.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Travis K. Manning [mailto:tmanning.eagle@sisna.com<= /A>]=20
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:38 AM =
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmissi= on.com=20
Subject: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial = meeting=20

Fellow Irreantum Editors,

What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on = Friday=20 August 15 at 7
p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in=20 Provo?

I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can = each bring=20 our fav banana split
topping, and of course = our vision=20 for Irreantum and our new Irreantum
Online. =20 (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?)

Potential meeting agenda discussion points: =

(1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy = for=20 maintaining the site,
etc.
(2)=20 author contract
(3) funding / grants = update=20
(4) marketing strategies for ways to grow = Irreantum, and=20 Mormon arts
readership
(5)=20 impressions of LDSBA convention
(6) = etc.

Let us know about the date for our shindig, and = further=20 discussion points.

Travis

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3551A.CBE06FA0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Directions to Bigelows Date: 28 Jul 2003 16:12:29 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35555.55936510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Directions to Chris & Ann Bigelow's house From I-15 southbound: Take the Orem 8th North exit. Go east all the way to the mountains and merge right, onto University Avenue. Turn left at the light at 3700 N. (Will's Pit Stop is on the right). Turn right on Timpview Dr. (650 E.) Left on 2780 N. Right on 930 E. Right on 2730 N. Left on 880 E. Curve right onto 2680 N. We're the first house on the right, 869 E. 2680 N. From I-15 northbound: Take the Orem University Parkway exit. Go east a long way, then turn left at the light at 2230 N. (you have to merge left into the turning lane) Turn left on Timpview Dr. (650 E.) Right on 2620 N. Left on 700 E. Right on 2680 N. We're the last house on the left, 869 E. 2680 N. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35555.55936510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Directions to Bigelows

Directions to Chris & Ann Bigelow's house

From I-15 southbound:
Take the Orem 8th North exit.
Go east all the way to the mountains and merge right, onto University Avenue.
Turn left at the light at 3700 N. (Will's Pit Stop is on the right).
Turn right on Timpview Dr. (650 E.)
Left on 2780 N.
Right on 930 E.
Right on 2730 N.
Left on 880 E.
Curve right onto 2680 N.
We're the first house on the right, 869 E. 2680 N.

From I-15 northbound:
Take the Orem University Parkway exit.
Go east a long way, then turn left at the light at 2230 N. (you have to merge left into the turning lane)
Turn left on Timpview Dr. (650 E.)
Right on 2620 N.
Left on 700 E.
Right on 2680 N.
We're the last house on the left, 869 E. 2680 N.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35555.55936510-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 29 Jul 2003 08:57:45 -0600 I'm not sure if Scott and I will make it there. Scott's parents will be in town for our family reunion that Saturday, and they like to take us out to dinner. We'll have to see how the schedule works out. I will work some more with our lawyer friend to have the contracts done by the meeting. Marny -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Schedule for AML table at LDSBA Date: 29 Jul 2003 17:14:49 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35627.354C9330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let's firm up the time slots for manning the AML table at the LDSBA convention. Below, I've broken up the table hours into two-hour slots, but you can take more than one slot if you're willing. Please let me know your availability and preferences ASAP. What you will be doing at the table is chatting with people about Irreantum, encouraging retailers to read it themselves and have their staffs read it to learn more about the books they are selling. Also, you can encourage them to carry the magazine for sale in their stores. On Tuesday evening, I will drive up and set up our table. I will leave out a sheet of some possible Irreantum talking points, and I will have both subscription and retail order forms handy, as well as the AML overview brochure. Also, you will be offering back issues of Irreantum for half the cover price (and if you leave the table unmanned for longer than a bathroom break, you'll have to stack them under the table for safekeeping!). Obviously I'm focused on Irreantum. I don't know if anyone else wants to prepare a handout, poster, and/or talking points for the AML awards, writing conference, or anything else the organization does. If so, you can either mail or deliver anything to me that you want me to take up on Tuesday night or you can stock the table yourself at your convenience. WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13: 9 - 11 _________________ 11 - 1 _________________ 1 - 3 _________________ 3 - 5:30 _________________ THURSDAY, AUGUST 14: 9 - 11 Jana Remy 11 - 1 _________________ 1 - 3 _________________ 3 - 5:30 Quinn Warnick FRIDAY, AUGUST 15: 10 - 12 _________________ 12 - 2 _________________ 2 - 4 Chris Bigelow (followed by cleanup) Remember, you have to have your LDSBA badge for entry. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35627.354C9330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Schedule for AML table at LDSBA

Let's firm up the time slots for manning the AML = table at the LDSBA convention. Below, I've broken up the table hours = into two-hour slots, but you can take more than one slot if you're = willing. Please let me know your availability and preferences = ASAP.

What you will be doing at the table is chatting with = people about Irreantum, encouraging retailers to read it themselves and = have their staffs read it to learn more about the books they are = selling. Also, you can encourage them to carry the magazine for sale in = their stores.

On Tuesday evening, I will drive up and set up our = table. I will leave out a sheet of some possible Irreantum talking = points, and I will have both subscription and retail order forms handy, = as well as the AML overview brochure. Also, you will be offering back = issues of Irreantum for half the cover price (and if you leave the = table unmanned for longer than a bathroom break, you'll have to stack = them under the table for safekeeping!).

Obviously I'm focused on Irreantum. I don't know if = anyone else wants to prepare a handout, poster, and/or talking points = for the AML awards, writing conference, or anything else the = organization does. If so, you can either mail or deliver anything to me = that you want me to take up on Tuesday night or you can stock the table = yourself at your convenience.

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13:
9 - 11   _________________
11 - 1   _________________
1 - 3    _________________
3 - 5:30 _________________

THURSDAY, AUGUST 14:
9 - 11   Jana Remy
11 - 1   _________________
1 - 3    _________________
3 - 5:30 Quinn Warnick

FRIDAY, AUGUST 15:
10 - 12 _________________
12 - 2 _________________
2 - 4 Chris Bigelow (followed by = cleanup)

Remember, you have to have your LDSBA badge for = entry.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35627.354C9330-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 30 Jul 2003 15:41:14 -0400 Here is a long-overdue response to several emails, as well as an update on the status of irreantum.org. The site is basically ready to go live, with a few minor roadblocks. Read on... Chris wrote: | In the left column, I think you should swap the positions of the AML logo | with the paragraph starting "Irreantum is . . ." And in that paragraph, the | AML hyperlink is almost too light to see. I tried swapping the logo and the paragraph, but the logo and the menu don't work well right next to each other, so I switched them back again. I did make the "visited" link color a bit darker, though, which I agree looks better. Marny wrote: | I'm using IE 5.1 on a Mac. I haven't changed any text settings since | the last mock-up, so I don't know why it is smaller now; last time it | was fine. My font size is set at 12pt. Check it again and tell me if it's still really small. I went through the entire site over the weekend and tried to clean up some of the junky code that I'd written, but it may still be a problem. In an ideal world, text size (on any site) would always be determined by the user. I've done all of the type settings in "em"s instead of pixels, which will allow users to adjust font sizes to meet their needs. I'm also contemplating using a "style-sheet switcher," which will place a button on the home page that will increase/decrease the font size to the user's preference. Here's the current status of the site: In theory, the site could go live in the next couple of days. All of the links (excluding the news sidebar, which I'm still working on) are working. At this point, I need help with a couple of things: 1. The "About Irreantum" page. Right now, that page is the text of an essay Chris Bigelow wrote a while back, entitled "Why Irreantum." I like that text, but I'd like to have a shorter, more focused "about" page for the site (we'll still leave Chris's essay online as an archived piece). Chris, I'm giving you first shot at this, since you're the magazine's editor. Do you think you could sythesize your essay with the other three pieces linked on "Purpose and Philosophy" page of the old Irreantum site to make an "official" about page? If you haven't got the time or the inclination, I'd be willing to give it a try, but I think my time would be better spent on item #2. 2. We need to beef up the archives with more pieces from past issues. Has anyone contacted people for copyright permission to publish their old pieces? If not, I may (with Chris's permission) send an email to the AML-List asking people who are interested in having their old work appear online to contact me with an email granting permission. I know that not all of our authors subscribe to the list, but it would be a starting point. Once we get permission to publish old pieces online, I need help getting the text out of Quark. Marny, I found the Quark extension to allow me to export text as HTML, but my version of Quark is too old for the plugin/extension. I'll contact you off-list to see if you can help me export the old files as HTML. 3. Email addresses -- I mentioned earlier that I could set up email addresses for each department editor, which might help us look more professional when we contact authors and potential distributors. Can I get permission to do this? Or do you (Chris) want to just have an address for the main editor? Are other department editors still interested in this? 4. Usability testing -- As I said, the site is basically ready to unveil, but I want to make sure that it works on as many platforms and in as many browsers as possible. If you've got the time and inclination, could you check the site (http://www.irreantum.org/testing.html) and click around for a while and respond with answers to the following questions? Here's what I'm looking for: -- What browser and platform are you using? Examples: Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP (abbreviated IE6/WinXP), Opera 7 on Mac OSX (abbreviated O7/MacOSX), etc. If you have multiple browsers installed, please check the site in everything you've got. To date, the site has been tested on IE6, Mozilla, Netscape (4 and 6), and Firebird (all on WindowsXP and Windows Me), and in Safari and IE for Mac OSX. The site is 100% table-free, and is working fine in all tested browsers except for some versions of IE for Mac. If you're using Netscape 4, you won't see the fancy design, but all of the content is there. This also means that the site will work on PalmPilots, text-enabled cell phones, braille browsers, and other nontraditional devices. No user should be prohibted from seeing all of the text on the site. -- Is anything severely broken (columns out of whack, etc.)? If not, what about the little things? How are the margins, line spacing, font sizes, etc? If you reference problems in these categories, please also let me know what your screen resolution is (800x600, 1024x768, etc.). [NOTE: If anyone on the list is good with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), please email me off-list. I'm trying to solve a problem in IE/Mac.] -- Any suggestions/tips for style/design/color scheme? I've been staring at this design for so long that I can't even tell what looks good anymore. OK, that's it. Thanks in advance for the help. I'd like to have the site live before the LDSBA convention, and I plan to make some flyers announcing the launch. Quinn -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 30 Jul 2003 13:54:42 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C356D4.6ACEA950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds great. I'll answer your other items soon, Quinn, but for now could you type up a promo paragraph about the new website, for me to include in the next Irreantum and in the AML's e-mail newsletter. Ta. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:41 PM Here is a long-overdue response to several emails, as well as an update on the status of irreantum.org. The site is basically ready to go live, with a few minor roadblocks. Read on... Chris wrote: | In the left column, I think you should swap the positions of the AML logo | with the paragraph starting "Irreantum is . . ." And in that paragraph, the | AML hyperlink is almost too light to see. I tried swapping the logo and the paragraph, but the logo and the menu don't work well right next to each other, so I switched them back again. I did make the "visited" link color a bit darker, though, which I agree looks better. Marny wrote: | I'm using IE 5.1 on a Mac. I haven't changed any text settings since | the last mock-up, so I don't know why it is smaller now; last time it | was fine. My font size is set at 12pt. Check it again and tell me if it's still really small. I went through the entire site over the weekend and tried to clean up some of the junky code that I'd written, but it may still be a problem. In an ideal world, text size (on any site) would always be determined by the user. I've done all of the type settings in "em"s instead of pixels, which will allow users to adjust font sizes to meet their needs. I'm also contemplating using a "style-sheet switcher," which will place a button on the home page that will increase/decrease the font size to the user's preference. Here's the current status of the site: In theory, the site could go live in the next couple of days. All of the links (excluding the news sidebar, which I'm still working on) are working. At this point, I need help with a couple of things: 1. The "About Irreantum" page. Right now, that page is the text of an essay Chris Bigelow wrote a while back, entitled "Why Irreantum." I like that text, but I'd like to have a shorter, more focused "about" page for the site (we'll still leave Chris's essay online as an archived piece). Chris, I'm giving you first shot at this, since you're the magazine's editor. Do you think you could sythesize your essay with the other three pieces linked on "Purpose and Philosophy" page of the old Irreantum site to make an "official" about page? If you haven't got the time or the inclination, I'd be willing to give it a try, but I think my time would be better spent on item #2. 2. We need to beef up the archives with more pieces from past issues. Has anyone contacted people for copyright permission to publish their old pieces? If not, I may (with Chris's permission) send an email to the AML-List asking people who are interested in having their old work appear online to contact me with an email granting permission. I know that not all of our authors subscribe to the list, but it would be a starting point. Once we get permission to publish old pieces online, I need help getting the text out of Quark. Marny, I found the Quark extension to allow me to export text as HTML, but my version of Quark is too old for the plugin/extension. I'll contact you off-list to see if you can help me export the old files as HTML. 3. Email addresses -- I mentioned earlier that I could set up email addresses for each department editor, which might help us look more professional when we contact authors and potential distributors. Can I get permission to do this? Or do you (Chris) want to just have an address for the main editor? Are other department editors still interested in this? 4. Usability testing -- As I said, the site is basically ready to unveil, but I want to make sure that it works on as many platforms and in as many browsers as possible. If you've got the time and inclination, could you check the site (http://www.irreantum.org/testing.html) and click around for a while and respond with answers to the following questions? Here's what I'm looking for: -- What browser and platform are you using? Examples: Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP (abbreviated IE6/WinXP), Opera 7 on Mac OSX (abbreviated O7/MacOSX), etc. If you have multiple browsers installed, please check the site in everything you've got. To date, the site has been tested on IE6, Mozilla, Netscape (4 and 6), and Firebird (all on WindowsXP and Windows Me), and in Safari and IE for Mac OSX. The site is 100% table-free, and is working fine in all tested browsers except for some versions of IE for Mac. If you're using Netscape 4, you won't see the fancy design, but all of the content is there. This also means that the site will work on PalmPilots, text-enabled cell phones, braille browsers, and other nontraditional devices. No user should be prohibted from seeing all of the text on the site. -- Is anything severely broken (columns out of whack, etc.)? If not, what about the little things? How are the margins, line spacing, font sizes, etc? If you reference problems in these categories, please also let me know what your screen resolution is (800x600, 1024x768, etc.). [NOTE: If anyone on the list is good with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), please email me off-list. I'm trying to solve a problem in IE/Mac.] -- Any suggestions/tips for style/design/color scheme? I've been staring at this design for so long that I can't even tell what looks good anymore. OK, that's it. Thanks in advance for the help. I'd like to have the site live before the LDSBA convention, and I plan to make some flyers announcing the launch. Quinn -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C356D4.6ACEA950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online

Sounds great. I'll answer your other items soon, = Quinn, but for now could you type up a promo paragraph about the new = website, for me to include in the next Irreantum and in the AML's = e-mail newsletter. Ta.

-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn Warnick [mailto:quinn@whiteshoe.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:41 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online

Here is a long-overdue response to several emails, as = well as an update on
the status of irreantum.org. The site is basically = ready to go live, with a
few minor roadblocks. Read on...

Chris wrote:

| In the left column, I think you should swap the = positions of the AML logo
| with the paragraph starting "Irreantum is . . = ." And in that paragraph,
the
| AML hyperlink is almost too light to see.

I tried swapping the logo and the paragraph, but the = logo and the menu don't
work well right next to each other, so I switched = them back again. I did
make the "visited" link color a bit = darker, though, which I agree looks
better.

Marny wrote:

| I'm using IE 5.1 on a Mac. I haven't changed any = text settings since
| the last mock-up, so I don't know why it is = smaller now; last time it
| was fine. My font size is set at 12pt.

Check it again and tell me if it's still really = small. I went through the
entire site over the weekend and tried to clean up = some of the junky code
that I'd written, but it may still be a problem. In = an ideal world, text
size (on any site) would always be determined by the = user. I've done all of
the type settings in "em"s instead of = pixels, which will allow users to
adjust font sizes to meet their needs. I'm also = contemplating using a
"style-sheet switcher," which will place a = button on the home page that will
increase/decrease the font size to the user's = preference.

Here's the current status of the site:

In theory, the site could go live in the next couple = of days. All of the
links (excluding the news sidebar, which I'm still = working on) are working.
At this point, I need help with a couple of = things:

1. The "About Irreantum" page. Right now, = that page is the text of an essay
Chris Bigelow wrote a while back, entitled "Why = Irreantum." I like that
text, but I'd like to have a shorter, more focused = "about" page for the site
(we'll still leave Chris's essay online as an = archived piece). Chris, I'm
giving you first shot at this, since you're the = magazine's editor. Do you
think you could sythesize your essay with the other = three pieces linked on
"Purpose and Philosophy" page of the old = Irreantum site to make an
"official" about page? If you haven't got = the time or the inclination, I'd
be willing to give it a try, but I think my time = would be better spent on
item #2.

2. We need to beef up the archives with more pieces = from past issues. Has
anyone contacted people for copyright permission to = publish their old
pieces? If not, I may (with Chris's permission) send = an email to the
AML-List asking people who are interested in having = their old work appear
online to contact me with an email granting = permission. I know that not all
of our authors subscribe to the list, but it would = be a starting point. Once
we get permission to publish old pieces online, I = need help getting the text
out of Quark. Marny, I found the Quark extension to = allow me to export text
as HTML, but my version of Quark is too old for the = plugin/extension. I'll
contact you off-list to see if you can help me = export the old files as HTML.

3. Email addresses -- I mentioned earlier that I = could set up email
addresses for each department editor, which might = help us look more
professional when we contact authors and potential = distributors. Can I get
permission to do this? Or do you (Chris) want to = just have an address for
the main editor? Are other department editors still = interested in this?

4. Usability testing -- As I said, the site is = basically ready to unveil,
but I want to make sure that it works on as many = platforms and in as many
browsers as possible. If you've got the time and = inclination, could you
check the site (http://www.irreantum.org/testing.html) and click = around for
a while and respond with answers to the following = questions? Here's what I'm
looking for:

-- What browser and platform are you using? Examples: = Internet Explorer 6 on
Windows XP (abbreviated IE6/WinXP), Opera 7 on Mac = OSX (abbreviated
O7/MacOSX), etc. If you have multiple browsers = installed, please check the
site in everything you've got. To date, the site has = been tested on IE6,
Mozilla, Netscape (4 and 6), and Firebird (all on = WindowsXP and Windows Me),
and in Safari and IE for Mac OSX. The site is 100% = table-free, and is
working fine in all tested browsers except for some = versions of IE for Mac.
If you're using Netscape 4, you won't see the fancy = design, but all of the
content is there. This also means that the site will = work on PalmPilots,
text-enabled cell phones, braille browsers, and = other nontraditional
devices. No user should be prohibted from seeing all = of the text on the
site.

-- Is anything severely broken (columns out of whack, = etc.)? If not, what
about the little things? How are the margins, line = spacing, font sizes, etc?
If you reference problems in these categories, = please also let me know what
your screen resolution is (800x600, 1024x768, etc.). = [NOTE: If anyone on the
list is good with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), = please email me off-list.
I'm trying to solve a problem in IE/Mac.]

-- Any suggestions/tips for style/design/color = scheme? I've been staring at
this design for so long that I can't even tell what = looks good anymore.

OK, that's it. Thanks in advance for the help. I'd = like to have the site
live before the LDSBA convention, and I plan to make = some flyers announcing
the launch.

Quinn

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C356D4.6ACEA950-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 30 Jul 2003 13:21:09 -0700 Most of my reviewers are AML-Listers. I think a query there would be easier than for me to make individual contacts. I'll be out of town for much of the rest of the month (starting tonite). I'll still be checking email, but much less often than usual... --jana ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:41 PM > Here is a long-overdue response to several emails, as well as an update on > the status of irreantum.org. The site is basically ready to go live, with a > few minor roadblocks. Read on... > > Chris wrote: > > | In the left column, I think you should swap the positions of the AML logo > | with the paragraph starting "Irreantum is . . ." And in that paragraph, > the > | AML hyperlink is almost too light to see. > > I tried swapping the logo and the paragraph, but the logo and the menu don't > work well right next to each other, so I switched them back again. I did > make the "visited" link color a bit darker, though, which I agree looks > better. > > Marny wrote: > > | I'm using IE 5.1 on a Mac. I haven't changed any text settings since > | the last mock-up, so I don't know why it is smaller now; last time it > | was fine. My font size is set at 12pt. > > Check it again and tell me if it's still really small. I went through the > entire site over the weekend and tried to clean up some of the junky code > that I'd written, but it may still be a problem. In an ideal world, text > size (on any site) would always be determined by the user. I've done all of > the type settings in "em"s instead of pixels, which will allow users to > adjust font sizes to meet their needs. I'm also contemplating using a > "style-sheet switcher," which will place a button on the home page that will > increase/decrease the font size to the user's preference. > > Here's the current status of the site: > > In theory, the site could go live in the next couple of days. All of the > links (excluding the news sidebar, which I'm still working on) are working. > At this point, I need help with a couple of things: > > 1. The "About Irreantum" page. Right now, that page is the text of an essay > Chris Bigelow wrote a while back, entitled "Why Irreantum." I like that > text, but I'd like to have a shorter, more focused "about" page for the site > (we'll still leave Chris's essay online as an archived piece). Chris, I'm > giving you first shot at this, since you're the magazine's editor. Do you > think you could sythesize your essay with the other three pieces linked on > "Purpose and Philosophy" page of the old Irreantum site to make an > "official" about page? If you haven't got the time or the inclination, I'd > be willing to give it a try, but I think my time would be better spent on > item #2. > > 2. We need to beef up the archives with more pieces from past issues. Has > anyone contacted people for copyright permission to publish their old > pieces? If not, I may (with Chris's permission) send an email to the > AML-List asking people who are interested in having their old work appear > online to contact me with an email granting permission. I know that not all > of our authors subscribe to the list, but it would be a starting point. Once > we get permission to publish old pieces online, I need help getting the text > out of Quark. Marny, I found the Quark extension to allow me to export text > as HTML, but my version of Quark is too old for the plugin/extension. I'll > contact you off-list to see if you can help me export the old files as HTML. > > 3. Email addresses -- I mentioned earlier that I could set up email > addresses for each department editor, which might help us look more > professional when we contact authors and potential distributors. Can I get > permission to do this? Or do you (Chris) want to just have an address for > the main editor? Are other department editors still interested in this? > > 4. Usability testing -- As I said, the site is basically ready to unveil, > but I want to make sure that it works on as many platforms and in as many > browsers as possible. If you've got the time and inclination, could you > check the site (http://www.irreantum.org/testing.html) and click around for > a while and respond with answers to the following questions? Here's what I'm > looking for: > > -- What browser and platform are you using? Examples: Internet Explorer 6 on > Windows XP (abbreviated IE6/WinXP), Opera 7 on Mac OSX (abbreviated > O7/MacOSX), etc. If you have multiple browsers installed, please check the > site in everything you've got. To date, the site has been tested on IE6, > Mozilla, Netscape (4 and 6), and Firebird (all on WindowsXP and Windows Me), > and in Safari and IE for Mac OSX. The site is 100% table-free, and is > working fine in all tested browsers except for some versions of IE for Mac. > If you're using Netscape 4, you won't see the fancy design, but all of the > content is there. This also means that the site will work on PalmPilots, > text-enabled cell phones, braille browsers, and other nontraditional > devices. No user should be prohibted from seeing all of the text on the > site. > > -- Is anything severely broken (columns out of whack, etc.)? If not, what > about the little things? How are the margins, line spacing, font sizes, etc? > If you reference problems in these categories, please also let me know what > your screen resolution is (800x600, 1024x768, etc.). [NOTE: If anyone on the > list is good with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), please email me off-list. > I'm trying to solve a problem in IE/Mac.] > > -- Any suggestions/tips for style/design/color scheme? I've been staring at > this design for so long that I can't even tell what looks good anymore. > > OK, that's it. Thanks in advance for the help. I'd like to have the site > live before the LDSBA convention, and I plan to make some flyers announcing > the launch. > > Quinn > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: [irr-ed] Dialogue reception Date: 30 Jul 2003 22:57:33 -0700 I don't plan on attending this meeting. But just wanted to throw it out there to see if anyone was dying to attend. It's the same evening as our Irreantum shindig. Travis The Board of Directors of The Dialogue Foundation Invites you to attend A SPECIAL RECEPTION To be held during the Sunstone Symposium to welcome our NEW EDITORIAL TEAM for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (effective January 2004) EDITOR:......Karen Marguerite Moloney Associate Editor........Levi S. Peterson Production Manager.......Brent Corcoran Book Review Editor........Tim Archer History Editor... ......Todd Compton Fiction Editor........ Karen Rosenbaum Poetry Editor...........Lisa Bickmore Personal Essay Editor.......Linda Sillitoe Art Director........... Connie Disney Please join us to thank the retiring editors, Neal and Rebecca Chandler, for their fine work the last five years and to meet the incoming team. TIME : Friday Evening, August 15, 2003, 6:30 - 7:30 P.M. PLACE : Rap of the Gavel Room, Sheraton City Centre Hotel REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED. Manuscript Submissions: DialogueMSS@aol.com Dialogue Business Office: PO Box 58423, Salt Lake City, UT 84158 801-274-8210 www.Dialoguejournal.com -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Directions to LDSBA Date: 31 Jul 2003 13:18:52 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.93F86180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If anyone forgets or loses their badge, it costs $5 for a replacement at the door. The venue is the South Towne Exhibition Center, 9575 State St, Sandy. Our table is in room 200D, a smaller "associate" room off the main floor of the LDSBA event. Our table will be marked with a sign saying "Association for Mormon Letters." From the south, take the 106th South exit in Sandy, drive up to State Street and turn left, and the exhibition center will be on your right just before you reach the 94th S. light. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.93F86180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Schedule for AML table at LDSBA

If anyone forgets or loses their badge, it costs $5 for a replacement at the door.

The venue is the South Towne Exhibition Center, 9575 State St, Sandy. Our table is in room 200D, a smaller "associate" room off the main floor of the LDSBA event. Our table will be marked with a sign saying "Association for Mormon Letters."

From the south, take the 106th South exit in Sandy, drive up to State Street and turn left, and the exhibition center will be on your right just before you reach the 94th S. light.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.93F86180-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Updated LDSBA schedule Date: 31 Jul 2003 13:19:32 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.ABC66FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Only four more slots to go. Please let me know if you can take one (or more). WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13: 9 - 11 _________________ 11 - 1 Sharlee Glenn 1 - 3 Sharlee Glenn 3 - 5:30 _________________ THURSDAY, AUGUST 14: 9 - 11 Jana Remy 11 - 1 _________________ 1 - 3 _________________ 3 - 5:30 Quinn Warnick FRIDAY, AUGUST 15: 10 - 12 Melissa Proffitt 12 - 2 Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury 2 - 4 Chris Bigelow (followed by cleanup) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.ABC66FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Updated LDSBA schedule

Only four more slots to go. Please let me know if you can take one (or more).

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13:
9 - 11   _________________
11 - 1   Sharlee Glenn
1 - 3    Sharlee Glenn
3 - 5:30 _________________

THURSDAY, AUGUST 14:
9 - 11   Jana Remy
11 - 1   _________________
1 - 3    _________________
3 - 5:30 Quinn Warnick

FRIDAY, AUGUST 15:
10 - 12 Melissa Proffitt
12 - 2 Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury
2 - 4 Chris Bigelow (followed by cleanup)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35798.ABC66FA0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online Date: 31 Jul 2003 14:12:44 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C357A0.1A81BD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have started working on a new "About Irreantum" page. I'll try to get it done today or tomorrow. I'm fine if you want to try to contact people via AML-List. On e-mail addresses, I have found that it works well to publicize only one main e-mail address for the magazine, otherwise little asides and requests start dropping through the cracks. (Someone sends a poem and also asks for an order form to be sent to them, but if they e-mail the poetry editor directly, the order form ain't going to get sent.) Another thing is that I am constantly capturing names and addresses for our database, so having everything from the public funnel through me gives me an opportunity to do that. Also, it's good to have submissions get captured in my system as a backup, so that when an editor's computer crashes or he/she goes AWOL, I can usually retrieve the e-mails. Having said that, I'm fine if people want Irreantum e-mail addresses from which they can send out e-mail to people. If you actually solicit a submission from somebody, I'm not saying they have to send it through the central e-mail or anything. (Not having a central e-mail address would actually mean less work for me, although the e-mail volume hasn't yet gotten high enough to bug me.) I clicked around on the site a little and didn't find any problems, besides a couple of typos. It looks great. I didn't click everything, though. I like the order form functionality much better than the old site's. I'm really glad you're doing this, Quinn! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C357A0.1A81BD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] Irreantum Online

I have started working on a new "About = Irreantum" page. I'll try to get it done today or tomorrow.

I'm fine if you want to try to contact people via = AML-List.

On e-mail addresses, I have found that it works well = to publicize only one main e-mail address for the magazine, otherwise = little asides and requests start dropping through the cracks. (Someone = sends a poem and also asks for an order form to be sent to them, but if = they e-mail the poetry editor directly, the order form ain't going to = get sent.) Another thing is that I am constantly capturing names and = addresses for our database, so having everything from the public funnel = through me gives me an opportunity to do that. Also, it's good to have = submissions get captured in my system as a backup, so that when an = editor's computer crashes or he/she goes AWOL, I can usually retrieve = the e-mails.

Having said that, I'm fine if people want Irreantum = e-mail addresses from which they can send out e-mail to people. If you = actually solicit a submission from somebody, I'm not saying they have = to send it through the central e-mail or anything. (Not having a = central e-mail address would actually mean less work for me, although = the e-mail volume hasn't yet gotten high enough to bug me.)

I clicked around on the site a little and didn't find = any problems, besides a couple of typos. It looks great. I didn't click = everything, though. I like the order form functionality much better = than the old site's. I'm really glad you're doing this, = Quinn!

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