Updated LDSBA schedule

I still like the AML-List Highlights, and I get = occasional comments from readers responding to them. I think the = selected insights and expressions are worth preserving in print, plus = many of our readers probably don't read AML-List at all. I could = picture future students and scholars quoting from Irreantum's AML-List = department in papers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marny Parkin [mailto:marnyparkin@pxi.net]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:22 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] AML-List Highlights?

Nice to have something to write about. Wish I'd covered that story.

Harlow

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:08:35 -0600 Christopher Bigelow <Chris.Bigelow@= UnicityNetwork.com>=20 writes:

= I won't put=20 it down until you confirm. That would be great, though. Let me=20 know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harlow S Clark=20 [mailto:harlowclark@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4= :58=20 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:= =20 [irr-ed] Newest LDSBA schedule

I should be able to do 3-5:30 on the 13th. I have to check whether= =20 there's an Eagle Mountain Planning Commission meeting that night. Every= time=20 I've called they haven't answered their phone.

Harlow

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:58:05 -0600 Christopher Bigelow <Chris.Bigelow@= UnicityNetwork.com>=20 writes:

Only two more slots to go. Please let me know if = you can=20 take one (or more).

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13:
9 -= =20 11   _________________
11 -=20 1   Sharlee Glenn
1 -=20 3    Sharlee Glenn
3 - 5:30= =20 _________________

THURSDAY, AUGUST 14:
9 -= =20 11   Jana Remy
11 - 1  = Travis=20 Manning
1 - 3    Travis = Manning=20
3 - 5:30 Quinn Warnick

FRIDAY, AUGUST 15:
10 - = 12 Melissa=20 Proffitt
12 - 2 Kathleen Dalton-= Woodbury=20
2 - 4   Chris Bigelow (followed = by=20 cleanup)

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If we can find somebody to man our LDSBA table on Wednesday, 8/13, 9-11, we will have a fully manned table.

Anybody willing and available?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C2D.FF15FA60-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] FW: Editorial meeting agenda Date: 12 Aug 2003 14:32:50 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36110.E6595110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:42 PM Chris, Can you forward this message regarding Friday eve to the Irreantum ed list? I don't have the exact email for it stored on my hotmail account. Travis ************************************************** Fellow Irreantum editors-- I'm looking forward to our get together this Friday, 7:30 p.m. at Chris Bigelow's home in Provo. Enclosed is an agenda with discussion points. I'm going to make assignments on particular points, if you would be willing to come prepared to brief us on that topic. Meeting agenda discussion points: (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site over time. -- Quinn (2) author contracts -- Marny (3) funding / grants / circulation status -- Chris (4) marketing strategies, that is ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts readership -- Travis, all (5) impressions of LDSBA convention / publishing trends -- Jana, all Finally, please email me with ideas for additional agenda points by Thursday August 14, so we can be sure and effectively utilize our time together. I look forward to meeting several of you for the first time! Travis _____ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36110.E6595110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Manning [mailto:manning_travis@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Christopher Bigelow
Subject: Editorial meeting agenda

Chris,

Can you forward this message regarding Friday eve to the Irreantum ed list? I don't have the exact email for it stored on my hotmail account.

Travis

**************************************************

Fellow Irreantum editors--

I'm looking forward to our get together this Friday, 7:30 p.m. at Chris Bigelow's home in Provo. Enclosed is an agenda with discussion points. I'm going to make assignments on particular points, if you would be willing to come prepared to brief us on that topic.

Meeting agenda discussion points:

(1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site over time. -- Quinn

(2) author contracts -- Marny

(3) funding / grants / circulation status -- Chris

(4) marketing strategies, that is ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts readership -- Travis, all

(5) impressions of LDSBA convention / publishing trends -- Jana, all

Finally, please email me with ideas for additional agenda points by Thursday August 14, so we can be sure and effectively utilize our time together. I look forward to meeting several of you for the first time!

Travis

MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36110.E6595110-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Deadline reminder Date: 18 Aug 2003 15:47:13 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C365D2.48CCE170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We had a great Irreantum meeting the other night. Thanks to all who participated. Marny, I don't know if you want to send around the notes to everyone. Just a reminder that material for the autumn 2002 issue is due on Sept. 15. (The summer issue should be mailed by around then.) Please let us know if you have any concerns or special plans. It is a general issue, with no special theme. I am planning to put two authors on the cover, Jack Harrell and John Fulton, with accompanying interviews and novel excerpts. I think Quinn will publish the three winning contest entries. Travis has the final Eugene England interview, and no doubt some other essays/memoirs. I also have an interview/excerpt with Linda Adams that I'll run if there's room. D. Michael, will you have anything for film? Are you still planning a film-themed issue for winter, with finalized text due by Dec. 15? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C365D2.48CCE170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Deadline reminder

We had a great Irreantum meeting the other night. = Thanks to all who participated. Marny, I don't know if you want to send = around the notes to everyone.

Just a reminder that material for the autumn 2002 = issue is due on Sept. 15. (The summer issue should be mailed by around = then.)

Please let us know if you have any concerns or = special plans. It is a general issue, with no special theme.

I am planning to put two authors on the cover, Jack = Harrell and John Fulton, with accompanying interviews and novel = excerpts.

I think Quinn will publish the three winning contest = entries.

Travis has the final Eugene England interview, and no = doubt some other essays/memoirs.

I also have an interview/excerpt with Linda Adams = that I'll run if there's room.

D. Michael, will you have anything for film? Are you = still planning a film-themed issue for winter, with finalized text due = by Dec. 15?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C365D2.48CCE170-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Deadline reminder Date: 18 Aug 2003 17:36:48 -0600 I have a short sf story for the next issue. I'll send out the minutes in the next day or two, when I have a chance to type them up. Marny At 3:47 PM -0600 8/18/03, Christopher Bigelow wrote: >We had a great Irreantum meeting the other night. Thanks to all who >participated. Marny, I don't know if you want to send around the >notes to everyone. > >Just a reminder that material for the autumn 2002 issue is due on >Sept. 15. (The summer issue should be mailed by around then.) > >Please let us know if you have any concerns or special plans. It is >a general issue, with no special theme. > >I am planning to put two authors on the cover, Jack Harrell and John >Fulton, with accompanying interviews and novel excerpts. > >I think Quinn will publish the three winning contest entries. > >Travis has the final Eugene England interview, and no doubt some >other essays/memoirs. > >I also have an interview/excerpt with Linda Adams that I'll run if >there's room. > >D. Michael, will you have anything for film? Are you still planning >a film-themed issue for winter, with finalized text due by Dec. 15? -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: [irr-ed] Minutes of editorial board meeting 8/15/03 Date: 19 Aug 2003 22:44:02 -0600 --============_-1150767851==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M. Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor) Welcome: Travis Opening prayer: Melody Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while. * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies. * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage. * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions. Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all * Good for book review contacts. * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year. * Need strategic plan ready for next year. * Need samples to give to book store owners. * Need business cards. * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium. * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up. * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up. * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade. Author contracts: Marny and Scott * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare. * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts. Irreantum Online: Quinn * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live. * Will have administrative area for editors to add content. * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently. * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail. * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed. Marketing strategies: Travis; all * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.) * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue. * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art. * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.) * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count. * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign. * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)] Closing prayer: Scott Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M. --============_-1150767851==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M. Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor) Welcome: Travis Opening prayer: Melody Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while. * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies. * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage. * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions. Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all * Good for book review contacts. * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year. * Need strategic plan ready for next year. * Need samples to give to book store owners. * Need business cards. * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium. * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up. * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up. * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade. Author contracts: Marny and Scott * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare. * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts. Irreantum Online: Quinn * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live. * Will have administrative area for editors to add content. * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently. * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail. * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed. Marketing strategies: Travis; all * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.) * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue. * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art. * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.) * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count. * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign. * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)] Closing prayer: Scott Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M. --============_-1150767851==_ma============-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] E-mail down Date: 20 Aug 2003 15:28:33 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36762.02410F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My e-mail was down for the past couple of days, so if there's anything I need to see or respond to, please forward or resend. Thanks! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36762.02410F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E-mail down

My e-mail was down for the past couple of days, so if = there's anything I need to see or respond to, please forward or resend. = Thanks!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36762.02410F60-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Proofers needed Date: 20 Aug 2003 17:02:29 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3676F.2120BBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The AML invites volunteer proofers to review the summer 2003 issue of Irreantum for typos and errors before it goes to press. This issue is largely devoted to LDS romance. A PDF of the issue is expected to go out on Tuesday, Sept. 2, and all corrections would be due back by Tuesday, Sept. 9. (If the PDF is ready sooner or later, those dates would be adjusted to allow a full week for proofing.) Not only do you help Irreantum be much more professional, but your volunteer work can be claimed as resume skill or experience. The AML will give references for competent volunteers. If you can help, drop me a line, and we'll send you the PDF as soon as it's ready. Thanks, Chris Bigelow chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3676F.2120BBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Proofers needed

The AML invites volunteer proofers to review the = summer 2003 issue of Irreantum for typos and errors before it goes to = press. This issue is largely devoted to LDS romance.

A PDF of the issue is expected to go out on Tuesday, = Sept. 2, and all corrections would be due back by Tuesday, Sept. 9. (If = the PDF is ready sooner or later, those dates would be adjusted to = allow a full week for proofing.)

Not only do you help Irreantum be much more = professional, but your volunteer work can be claimed as resume skill or = experience. The AML will give references for competent = volunteers.

If you can help, drop me a line, and we'll send you = the PDF as soon as it's ready.

Thanks,
Chris Bigelow
chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3676F.2120BBD0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Minutes of editorial board meeting 8/15/03 Date: 21 Aug 2003 10:25:22 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36800.D1879C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for this, Marny. I sent off my query on color covers to Alexander's. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:44 PM Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M. Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor) Welcome: Travis Opening prayer: Melody Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while. * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies. * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage. * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions. Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all * Good for book review contacts. * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year. * Need strategic plan ready for next year. * Need samples to give to book store owners. * Need business cards. * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium. * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up. * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up. * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade. Author contracts: Marny and Scott * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare. * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts. Irreantum Online: Quinn * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live. * Will have administrative area for editors to add content. * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently. * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail. * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed. Marketing strategies: Travis; all * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.) * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue. * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art. * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.) * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count. * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign. * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)] Closing prayer: Scott Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36800.D1879C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for this, Marny. I sent off my query on color covers to Alexander's.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marny Parkin [mailto:marnyparkin@pxi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:44 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [irr-ed] Minutes of editorial board meeting 8/15/03

Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting

August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M.

Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo

Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor)

Welcome: Travis

Opening prayer: Melody

Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris

        * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while.

        * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies.

        * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage.

        * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions.

Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all

        * Good for book review contacts.

        * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year.

        * Need strategic plan ready for next year.

        * Need samples to give to book store owners.

        * Need business cards.

        * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium.

        * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up.

        * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up.

        * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade.

Author contracts: Marny and Scott

        * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare.

        * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts.

Irreantum Online: Quinn

        * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live.

        * Will have administrative area for editors to add content.

        * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently.

        * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail.

        * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed.

Marketing strategies: Travis; all

        * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.)

        * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue.

        * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art.

        * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.)

        * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count.

        * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign.

        * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)]

Closing prayer: Scott

Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36800.D1879C00-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] Alexander's pricing Date: 21 Aug 2003 14:04:57 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3681F.7E8FBD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Following is the pricing from Alexander's. I would need two things before I would start doing color covers on a regular basis: 1) The AML to have a bigger financial cushion. Right now it's pretty bare bones, maybe even a financial shortfall looming. I hope the writers conf. in Nov. boosts us. 2) Someone to art direct. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:33 PM Chris, Here is the pricing that you are looking for. I am basing the pricing on your last order of 500 books with 104 pages plus the cover. The 2/1 cover is bid on the colored index like you have been using. If we go to 4/1, I am bidding on a white sheet because we would be running it on our Indigo digital press which takes specially coated paper. This will be the least expensive route for a full color cover. I can also bid it on the GTO if you want to use a colored sheet. 500 books with 1/1 cover (last order) $1040.70 500 books with 2/1 cover $1267.80 500 books with 4/1 cover $1385.00 White cover (you could build the background color into the file) 500 books with 4/1 cover $1654.00 Colored Index Let me know if you need anything else. Barry Merrell Publishing Specialist Alexander's Digital Printing 801-224-8666 800-574-8666 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:32 AM No, the inside would still have black. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:27 AM And the inside of the front and back cover would be blank? Sorry for the questions, but I want to make sure I get you some accurate pricing. Thanks, Barry Merrell Publishing Specialist Alexander's Digital Printing 801-224-8666 800-574-8666 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:29 AM No, just the outside would be 2 or 4 color. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:24 AM Chris, Right now the covers are 1/1 (black/black). If you went to a 2 color or 4 color cover, would it be double sided? Barry Merrell Publishing Specialist Alexander's Digital Printing 801-224-8666 800-574-8666 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:24 AM Hi, Barry. On Irreantum, how much extra cost would it add if we wanted to do a black+one-color cover or a full-color cover? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3681F.7E8FBD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Reprint order

Following is=20 the pricing from Alexander's. I would need two things before I = would start=20 doing color covers on a regular basis:

1) The AML to=20 have a bigger financial cushion. Right now it's pretty bare bones, = maybe even a=20 financial shortfall looming. I hope the writers conf. in Nov. = boosts=20 us.

2) Someone to=20 art direct.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Merrell=20 [mailto:barrym@alexanders.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, = 2003 1:33=20 PM
To: Christopher Bigelow
Subject: Association of = Mormon=20 Letter's Pricing

Chris,

Here is the=20 pricing that you are looking for. I am basing the pricing on your = last=20 order of 500 books with 104 pages plus the cover. The 2/1 cover = is bid on=20 the colored index like you have been using. If we go to 4/1, I am = bidding=20 on a white sheet because we would be running it on our Indigo digital = press=20 which takes specially coated paper. This will be the least = expensive route=20 for a full color cover. I can also bid it on the GTO if you want = to use a=20 colored sheet.

500 books=20 with 1/1 cover (last order) = $1040.70

500 books=20 with 2/1=20 cover &= nbsp; = $1267.80

500 books=20 with 4/1=20 cover &= nbsp; = $1385.00 White cover (you could build the background color into = the=20 file)

500 books=20 with 4/1=20 cover &= nbsp; = $1654.00 Colored Index

Let me know=20 if you need anything else.

Barry Merrell
Publishing=20 Specialist
Alexander's Digital = Printing=20
801-224-8666
800-574-8666

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher = Bigelow=20 [mailto:Chris.Bigelow@UnicityNetwork.com]
Sent: Thursday, = August 21,=20 2003 10:32 AM
To: Barry Merrell
Subject: RE: = Color=20 covers?

No, the=20 inside would still have black.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Merrell=20 [mailto:barrym@alexanders.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, = 2003=20 10:27 AM
To: Christopher Bigelow
Subject: RE: = Color=20 covers?

And the=20 inside of the front and back cover would be blank? Sorry for = the=20 questions, but I want to make sure I get you some accurate = pricing. =20 Thanks,

Barry Merrell
Publishing=20 Specialist
Alexander's Digital = Printing=20
801-224-8666
800-574-8666

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher = Bigelow=20 [mailto:Chris.Bigelow@UnicityNetwork.com]
Sent: = Thursday, August=20 21, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Barry Merrell
Subject: = RE: Color=20 covers?

No,=20 just the outside would be 2 or 4 color.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry = Merrell=20 [mailto:barrym@alexanders.com]
Sent: Thursday, August = 21, 2003=20 10:24 AM
To: Christopher Bigelow
Subject: = RE: Color=20 covers?

Chris,

Right=20 now the covers are 1/1 (black/black). If you went to a 2 = color or=20 4 color cover, would it be double sided?

Barry Merrell
Publishing=20 Specialist
Alexander's Digital=20 Printing
801-224-8666 =
800-574-8666

-----Original Message-----
From: = Christopher Bigelow=20 [mailto:Chris.Bigelow@UnicityNetwork.com]
Sent: = Thursday,=20 August 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Barry=20 Merrell
Subject: Color covers?

Hi,=20 Barry. On Irreantum, how much extra cost would it add if we = wanted to=20 do a black+one-color cover or a full-color=20 = cover?
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3681F.7E8FBD10-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis? Date: 22 Aug 2003 15:59:25 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C368F8.A6E5EC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [I thought I'd start the ball rolling with the following post to AML-List. Follow up and discuss as you see fit.] In anticipation of Irreantum's film-devoted issue this next winter (final text deadline: Dec. 15, 2003), I'm trying to put together some new material on Neil LaBute, hopefully including an interview with him, but at the least I'm looking for Mormon-perspective reviews of his films and for an essay assessing his overall career from a Mormon perspective. (While this issue will focus on film, in LaBute's case we'd also look into his drama too, I expect.) If anyone would like to do some writing on LaBute, please contact me at chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com. D. Michael Martindale will be the guest editor for this film issue, so he'll be the main hub for other types of ideas, approaches, and proposals anyone wants to make. (No doubt he will send out his own announcement soon, but I wanted to get a jump on LaBute now.) Another thing I plan to pursue for this issue is an interview with the Halestorm screenwriter John Moyer, as my contribution to looking at the insider Mormon film movement. I've also heard that someone is considering revisiting Tony Kushner and the Mormon elements in his "Angels in America," in light of its upcoming HBO production, so that might be another area where a call for contributions/ideas will be forthcoming. Chris Bigelow ------_=_NextPart_001_01C368F8.A6E5EC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LaBute Analysis?
[I thought I'd start the ball rolling with the = following post to AML-List. Follow up and discuss as you see = fit.]

In anticipation of Irreantum's film-devoted issue = this next winter (final text deadline: Dec. 15, 2003), I'm trying to = put together some new material on Neil LaBute, hopefully including an = interview with him, but at the least I'm looking for Mormon-perspective = reviews of his films and for an essay assessing his overall career from = a Mormon perspective. (While this issue will focus on film, in LaBute's = case we'd also look into his drama too, I expect.)

If anyone would like to do some writing on LaBute, = please contact me at chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com.

D. Michael Martindale will be the guest editor for = this film issue, so he'll be the main hub for other types of ideas, = approaches, and proposals anyone wants to make. (No doubt he will send = out his own announcement soon, but I wanted to get a jump on LaBute = now.)

Another thing I plan to pursue for this issue is an = interview with the Halestorm screenwriter John Moyer, as my = contribution to looking at the insider Mormon film movement. I've also = heard that someone is considering revisiting Tony Kushner and the = Mormon elements in his "Angels in America," in light of its = upcoming HBO production, so that might be another area where a call for = contributions/ideas will be forthcoming.

Chris Bigelow
------_=_NextPart_001_01C368F8.A6E5EC10-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis? Date: 22 Aug 2003 18:27:00 -0400 | Another thing I plan to pursue for this issue is an interview with the | Halestorm screenwriter John Moyer, as my contribution to looking at the | insider Mormon film movement. Has anyone seen this? http://www.johnmoyer.net/idioticquotes.htm I stumbled onto it a couple of days ago, and I thought about posting it to the AML-List, but haven't gotten around to it yet. It appears Moyer is no fan of the AML. If you go to the main page (www.johnmoyer.net), you'll see "Idiotic Quotes" superimposed on a pirated copy of the AML logo. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'd favor sending him a cease and desist order (for the logo, at least) rather than an invitation to be interviewed. Does anyone on this list personally know Moyer? Has anyone from AML contacted him in the past? He's obviously aware of us. - Quinn Warnick -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis? Date: 22 Aug 2003 16:25:56 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C368FC.5B072CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, I've seen that John Moyer stuff (I'm one of the people he quoted). That's one reason why I'm interested in interviewing him. I think it would be fun and challenging, and he's certainly having enough influence on Mormon film to be a worthy subject. I went and heard him speak at a League of Utah Writers meeting but didn't personally go up and talk to him. He talked about the AML a little in that meeting too. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:27 PM | Another thing I plan to pursue for this issue is an interview with the | Halestorm screenwriter John Moyer, as my contribution to looking at the | insider Mormon film movement. Has anyone seen this? http://www.johnmoyer.net/idioticquotes.htm I stumbled onto it a couple of days ago, and I thought about posting it to the AML-List, but haven't gotten around to it yet. It appears Moyer is no fan of the AML. If you go to the main page (www.johnmoyer.net), you'll see "Idiotic Quotes" superimposed on a pirated copy of the AML logo. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'd favor sending him a cease and desist order (for the logo, at least) rather than an invitation to be interviewed. Does anyone on this list personally know Moyer? Has anyone from AML contacted him in the past? He's obviously aware of us. - Quinn Warnick -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------_=_NextPart_001_01C368FC.5B072CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis?
Yes, I've seen that John Moyer stuff (I'm one of the = people he quoted). That's one reason why I'm interested in interviewing = him. I think it would be fun and challenging, and he's certainly having = enough influence on Mormon film to be a worthy subject.

I went and heard him speak at a League of Utah = Writers meeting but didn't personally go up and talk to him. He talked = about the AML a little in that meeting too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn Warnick [mailto:quinn@whiteshoe.org]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:27 PM
To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis?

| Another thing I plan to pursue for this issue is an = interview with the
| Halestorm screenwriter John Moyer, as my = contribution to looking at the
| insider Mormon film movement.

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.johnmoyer.net/idioticquotes.htm

I stumbled onto it a couple of days ago, and I = thought about posting it to
the AML-List, but haven't gotten around to it yet. = It appears Moyer is no
fan of the AML. If you go to the main page = (www.johnmoyer.net), you'll see
"Idiotic Quotes" superimposed on a pirated = copy of the AML logo.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'd favor sending him a = cease and desist order
(for the logo, at least) rather than an invitation = to be interviewed.

Does anyone on this list personally know Moyer? Has = anyone from AML
contacted him in the past? He's obviously aware of = us.

- Quinn Warnick

--
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C368FC.5B072CB0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis? Date: 25 Aug 2003 14:08:06 -0600 Quinn Warnick wrote: > Has anyone seen this? > > http://www.johnmoyer.net/idioticquotes.htm > > I stumbled onto it a couple of days ago, and I thought about posting it to > the AML-List, but haven't gotten around to it yet. It appears Moyer is no > fan of the AML. If you go to the main page (www.johnmoyer.net), you'll see > "Idiotic Quotes" superimposed on a pirated copy of the AML logo. > > Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'd favor sending him a cease and desist order > (for the logo, at least) rather than an invitation to be interviewed. The question now is, what quotes is he labeling as "idiot"? AML-List's or his? His responses are of the personal attack and "beneath contempt" variety. He's apparently a standard issue immature artist who can't stand the heat when honest and valid criticism of his artistic work is proferred. -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] LaBute Analysis? Date: 29 Aug 2003 22:47:45 -0700 What a lame site. Doesn't the AML have a copyright on our AML logo? Gideon? Chris? Jonathan? Anyone? Travis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:08 PM > Quinn Warnick wrote: > > > Has anyone seen this? > > > > http://www.johnmoyer.net/idioticquotes.htm > > > > I stumbled onto it a couple of days ago, and I thought about posting it to > > the AML-List, but haven't gotten around to it yet. It appears Moyer is no > > fan of the AML. If you go to the main page (www.johnmoyer.net), you'll see > > "Idiotic Quotes" superimposed on a pirated copy of the AML logo. > > > > Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'd favor sending him a cease and desist order > > (for the logo, at least) rather than an invitation to be interviewed. > > The question now is, what quotes is he labeling as "idiot"? AML-List's > or his? His responses are of the personal attack and "beneath contempt" > variety. He's apparently a standard issue immature artist who can't > stand the heat when honest and valid criticism of his artistic work is > proferred. > > -- > D. Michael Martindale > dmichael@wwno.com > > ================================== > Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at > http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths > > Sponsored by Worlds Without Number > http://www.wwno.com > ================================== > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis K. Manning" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 29 Aug 2003 23:14:48 -0700 Hola friends, It was so nice to meet with the Parkins, Warnicks, Bigelows and Jana Remy here a couple weeks back. Ann and I had fun. I have missed all three weeks of emails because the server for my ISP is, I don't know, cheap. Did we get minutes of the meeting emailed yet? I wanted to keep them in my "Irreantum" folder backfiled. Travis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:38 AM > Fellow Irreantum Editors, > > What do you say we convene an editorial meeting on Friday August 15 at 7 > p.m., Chris Bigelow's pad in Provo? > > I can still plan the meeting agenda. We can each bring our fav banana split > topping, and of course our vision for Irreantum and our new Irreantum > Online. (Chris, would you be willing to bring the icecream?) > > Potential meeting agenda discussion points: > > (1) Irreantum Online, its scope, vision, strategy for maintaining the site, > etc. > (2) author contract > (3) funding / grants update > (4) marketing strategies for ways to grow Irreantum, and Mormon arts > readership > (5) impressions of LDSBA convention > (6) etc. > > Let us know about the date for our shindig, and further discussion points. > > Travis > > > > -- > Irreantum Editor's Discussion List > -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] {irr-ed] August editorial meeting Date: 30 Aug 2003 15:13:09 -0600 --============_-1149844484==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:14 PM -0700 8/29/03, Travis K. Manning wrote: >Hola friends, > >It was so nice to meet with the Parkins, Warnicks, Bigelows and Jana Remy >here a couple weeks back. Ann and I had fun. > >I have missed all three weeks of emails because the server for my ISP is, I >don't know, cheap. Did we get minutes of the meeting emailed yet? I wanted >to keep them in my "Irreantum" folder backfiled. > >Travis Yes, they were sent out, but for you here they are again: Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M. Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor) Welcome: Travis Opening prayer: Melody Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while. * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies. * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage. * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions. Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all * Good for book review contacts. * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year. * Need strategic plan ready for next year. * Need samples to give to book store owners. * Need business cards. * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium. * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up. * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up. * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade. Author contracts: Marny and Scott * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare. * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts. Irreantum Online: Quinn * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live. * Will have administrative area for editors to add content. * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently. * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail. * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed. Marketing strategies: Travis; all * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.) * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue. * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art. * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.) * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count. * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign. * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)] Closing prayer: Scott Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M. --============_-1149844484==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 11:14 PM -0700 8/29/03, Travis K. Manning wrote: Hola friends, It was so nice to meet with the Parkins, Warnicks, Bigelows and Jana Remy here a couple weeks back. Ann and I had fun. I have missed all three weeks of emails because the server for my ISP is, I don't know, cheap. Did we get minutes of the meeting emailed yet? I wanted to keep them in my "Irreantum" folder backfiled. Travis Yes, they were sent out, but for you here they are again: Irreantum Editorial Board Meeting August 15, 2003, 8:15 P.M. Chris Bigelow's home, 869 E. 2680 N., Provo Attending: Chris Bigelow (managing editor); Travis Manning (essay editor) and wife (Ann? sorry); Quinn Warnick (fiction editor) and wife Melody; Marny Parkin (sf coeditor/highlights); Scott Parkin (sf coeditor); Jana Remy (book review editor) Welcome: Travis Opening prayer: Melody Funding/grants/circulation/printing costs update: Chris * Chris is interested in letting the editorship change but not specifically wanting to dump it immediately. Any ideas for a replacement? Should we advertise on AML-List? He's okay to keep going for a while. * Need to have someone work on writing grant proposals. (We used to have a book of foundations, etc., that give grants, but it has disappeared.) Specifically need to submit to Utah Arts Council--money from them funds the contest and promotional copies. * Production costs: $2.00-$2.25 per copy for printing; $0.60 for postage. * We print 500 copies--mailing list is 250 to 300 addresses; 50 copies for retail; 50 copies for promotions. Impressions of LDSBA convention: Jana; all * Good for book review contacts. * In side room, so less traffic. Need big sign next year. * Need strategic plan ready for next year. * Need samples to give to book store owners. * Need business cards. * Need to network/advertise better, both at LDSBA and Sunstone symposium. * Signature may distribute; may buy standing ad. Need to follow up. * Thompson may distribute; need to follow up. * Kenny Kemp may come on board to help with marketing for ad trade. Author contracts: Marny and Scott * Not ready yet. Will work with friend the lawyer to prepare. * National market authors may be more concerned with rights than local market authors; passed out samples of contracts. Irreantum Online: Quinn * Want selections from last two or three issues before going live. * Will have administrative area for editors to add content. * Quinn could host the site (and AML-List) for a smaller fee than we pay currently. * Can have email addresses @irreantum.org; especially interested in having reviews@ and submissions@ or editor@. All would be forwarded to Chris, who already keeps copies and sorts incoming mail. * Would like a reviews section for reviews Jana gets that can't be printed. Marketing strategies: Travis; all * Kemp thinks the mag looks self-published; need graphic artist/art director. (TRAVIS WILL ADVERTISE FOR THIS.) * Have one color for covers, not switch every issue. * Need better quality photos for cover (or retouch more) or good art. * Can we afford a duo tone cover? (CHRIS AND SCOTT WILL CHECK WITH ALEXANDERS AND MC PRINTING, RESPECTIVELY.) * Need to keep page count to 104 (including cover) or printing costs go up too much; balance this against any redesign, which will probably want to add more white space and therefore have a lower word count. * Maybe advertise for students to do redesign. * Need more contact with LDS universities. (TRAVIS WILL CONTACT SVU AND BYU-H; JANA WILL CONTACT CLAREMONT. OTHERS PLEASE VOLUNTEER.)] Closing prayer: Scott Meeting adjourned about 9:45 P.M. --============_-1149844484==_ma============-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List