From: "jana" Subject: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 01 Jun 2004 22:01:04 -0700 Hey folks: I realize that the interim board of Irreantum (or the magazine formerly known as Irreantum) is busy making wonderful changes, but can I just say that this transition has been a hard one for me. I found out about the Mag's demise while I was sitting in the awards session at the Conf in March--it was quite a shock to learn that I was 'released' from my position on the Board.. In addition, while I've heard some wonderful inklings/rumors about what's to come in the future, I wish that the interim Board would have included former Board members in the upgrade process. At least for me, having given 5 years of service (sans pay), I would think that my investment in the Mag would at least warrant some input on how things proceed in the future. It's probably too late for me to be saying anything, but in the meantime it's frustrating to be out of the loop--especially when reviewers and publishers continue asking me what's going on and I feel stupid admitting that I don't know. Best, Jana -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Irreantum2@cs.com Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 02 Jun 2004 01:24:43 EDT --part1_c0.e36f5fd.2deebe9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To tell you the truth, I didn't know if and what they were going to do until I heard it myself in the award presentation. However, I'd begun making noise that I'd like to be replaced, so it wasn't a total surprise, and I didn't mind the way they handled it. I offered to attend the transition meetings, but they pointed out that they wanted to take a completely fresh look, and I was OK with that, although I'm not completely happy about two possibilities I've heard (that they are changing the name and that they might not launch it until Feb. '05, which means about nine months of continuous downtime for the AML's literary magazine). I do think they should consider what you're saying, Jana, and give those who still want to be involved with the magazine a chance to do so. Gideon's in India right now, so if he doesn't respond within a few weeks, give him another tickle in awhile, or write to Melissa Proffitt. In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:58:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time, remyj@uci.edu writes: > Hey folks: > > I realize that the interim board of Irreantum (or the magazine formerly > known as Irreantum) is busy making wonderful changes, but can I just say > that this transition has been a hard one for me. I found out about the > Mag's demise while I was sitting in the awards session at the Conf in > March--it was quite a shock to learn that I was 'released' from my position > on the Board.. > > In addition, while I've heard some wonderful inklings/rumors about what's to > come in the future, I wish that the interim Board would have included former > Board members in the upgrade process. At least for me, having given 5 years > of service (sans pay), I would think that my investment in the Mag would at > least warrant some input on how things proceed in the future. > > It's probably too late for me to be saying anything, but in the meantime > it's frustrating to be out of the loop--especially when reviewers and > publishers continue asking me what's going on and I feel stupid admitting > that I don't know. > > Best, > Jana > --part1_c0.e36f5fd.2deebe9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To tell you the truth, I didn't kno= w if and what they were going to do until I heard it myself in the award pre= sentation. However, I'd begun making noise that I'd like to be replaced, so=20= it wasn't a total surprise, and I didn't mind the way they handled it. I off= ered to attend the transition meetings, but they pointed out that they wante= d to take a completely fresh look, and I was OK with that, although I'm not=20= completely happy about two possibilities I've heard (that they are changing=20= the name and that they might not launch it until Feb. '05, which means about= nine months of continuous downtime for the AML's literary magazine). I do t= hink they should consider what you're saying, Jana, and give those who still= want to be involved with the magazine a chance to do so. Gideon's in India=20= right now, so if he doesn't respond within a few weeks, give him another tic= kle in awhile, or write to Melissa Proffitt.

In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:58:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time, remyj@uci.ed= u writes:
Hey folks:

I realize that the interim board of Irreantum (or the magazine formerly
known as Irreantum) is busy making wonderful changes, but can I just say
that this transition has been a hard one for me.  I found out about the=
Mag's demise while I was sitting in the awards session at the Conf in
March--it was quite a shock to learn that I was 'released' from my position<= BR> on the Board..

In addition, while I've heard some wonderful inklings/rumors about what's to=
come in the future, I wish that the interim Board would have included former=
Board members in the upgrade process.  At least for me, having given 5=20= years
of service (sans pay), I would think that my investment in the Mag would at<= BR> least warrant some input on how things proceed in the future.

It's probably too late for me to be saying anything, but in the meantime
it's frustrating to be out of the loop--especially when reviewers and
publishers continue asking me what's going on and I feel stupid admitting that I don't know.

Best,
Jana

 --part1_c0.e36f5fd.2deebe9b_boundary-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quinn Warnick" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 02 Jun 2004 20:51:41 -0600 Jana wrote: | In addition, while I've heard some wonderful inklings/rumors about what's to | come in the future, Could you share what you've heard? I'm interested to know how things are going to turn out, so much so that I'm willing to treat unsubstantiated rumors as gospel truth. :-) | At least for me, having given 5 years | of service (sans pay), I would think that my investment in the Mag would at | least warrant some input on how things proceed in the future. Hear, hear! I can claim no such longterm investment, but I think that people like Jana and Marny and Harlow and Chris should have been included as part of the transition team. | reviewers and | publishers continue asking me what's going on and I feel stupid admitting | that I don't know. Again, I concur. It would be nice to know a timeline for resumption of publishing. As it stands, I'm telling submitters that I am collecting everything sent to me and will pass along the submissions en masse to the new fiction editor. At this point, I don't know what else to tell people. Chris wrote: | I'm not completely happy about two possibilities I've heard | (that they are changing the name and that they might not launch it until Feb. | '05, which means about nine months of continuous downtime for the AML's | literary magazine). If it's not too late for me to throw my two cents in on this one, let me side firmly with Chris on opposing the name change. Other reasons aside (and there are several), changing the name is a disaster from a marketing perspective. While Irreantum's circulation has been relatively small, the magazine has developed a good reputation over the past five years. Changing the name means starting at square one, especially in terms of brand recognition. Doing so would seem to create an unnecessary burden for the new editorial team (heaven help them). Quinn -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 02 Jun 2004 20:30:14 -0700 > > Could you share what you've heard? I'm interested to know how things are > going to turn out, so much so that I'm willing to treat unsubstantiated > rumors as gospel truth. :-) > The name I heard was The Sego Lily Review. It will be more of a regional literary publication, with some emphasis on Mormon stuff. I agree that Irreantum has a well-developed reputation, is a great Mormon name, and should be kept as-is. Does anyone know what prompted the fire sale of the back issues for $1/each? IMO it makes our efforts of the past 5 years look cheap and worthless. --jana -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Irreantum2@cs.com Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 03 Jun 2004 02:14:40 EDT --part1_147.2b2b8d4d.2df01bd0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huh, I hadn't heard that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you hear it? Personally, I would prefer callling it the Sugar Beet Review rather than the Sego Lily Review. The back issue fire sale is totally my doing. Sorry that it struck you poorly. Two things motivated it: 1) I want to cut down on the stack of boxes in my garage, which is now nearly tall as I am. I'm worried that, in the course of this transition, I'm going to get stuck with them forever. 2) I want to get Irreantum into as many hands as possible. (I still hope to see all five years of Irreantum go up on a website sometime, so it can live in perpetuity on the 'net.) --part1_147.2b2b8d4d.2df01bd0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huh, I hadn't= heard that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you hear it? Personally, I= would prefer callling it the Sugar Beet Review rather than the Sego Lily Re= view.

The back issue fire sale is totally my doing. Sorry that it struck you p= oorly. Two things motivated it: 1) I want to cut down on the stack of boxes=20= in my garage, which is now nearly tall as I am. I'm worried that, in the cou= rse of this transition, I'm going to get stuck with them forever. 2) I want=20= to get Irreantum into as many hands as possible. (I still hope to see all fi= ve years of Irreantum go up on a website sometime, so it can live in perpetu= ity on the 'net.) --part1_147.2b2b8d4d.2df01bd0_boundary-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jana" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 03 Jun 2004 06:51:12 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01C44937.28B1DAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Irreantum2@cs.com=20 To: irreantum-ed@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Huh, I hadn't heard that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you = hear it? Personally, I would prefer callling it the Sugar Beet Review = rather than the Sego Lily Review.=20 >I heard this while I was at Sunstone West in March. I suggested that = the name was too girly (sego lilies being the flower of the RS), and the = person who told me of the name said that had been a concern. >FWIW, I heard back from Melissa Proffitt yesterday who apologized for = not working with the former Irreantum Board. She said they would be = more inclusive in the future. However it sounds like most things are = already decided. --jana ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01C44937.28B1DAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Huh, I = hadn't heard=20 that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you hear it? Personally, I = would=20 prefer callling it the Sugar Beet Review rather than the Sego Lily = Review.=20
>I = heard this=20 while I was at Sunstone West in March.  I suggested that the name = was too=20 girly (sego lilies being the flower of the RS), and the person who = told me of=20 the name said that had been a concern.
 
>FWIW, I heard=20 back from Melissa Proffitt yesterday who apologized for not working = with the=20 former Irreantum Board.  She said they would be more=20 inclusive in the future.   However it sounds like most = things=20 are already decided.

--jana
------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01C44937.28B1DAF0-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 03 Jun 2004 09:21:16 -0600 Quinn Warnick wrote: > Again, I concur. It would be nice to know a timeline for resumption of > publishing. As it stands, I'm telling submitters that I am collecting > everything sent to me and will pass along the submissions en masse to > the > new fiction editor. At this point, I don't know what else to tell > people. Granted I get much fewer submissions, but I've read everything and rejected the horrible stuff so the authors aren't hanging in limbo. With the mainstream stuff, though, since you don't know what the taste of the new editorial board is you maybe should hang on to more of the submissions. But you could get rid of the drek. Marny -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chrisbigelow3@cs.com Subject: [irr-ed] [FWD: [AML] Update on the new Irreantum] Date: 10 Jun 2004 14:18:58 -0400 ---------5da15cfbbe76d295da15cfbbe76d29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline For anyone who doesn't read AML-List, you'll want to look at this post that talks about Irreantum and the new, as-yet-untitled AML literary magazine. For one thing, Quinn, it sounds like they are planning to publish your fiction contest winners in the first issue. ---------5da15cfbbe76d295da15cfbbe76d29 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Forwarded Msg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Forwarded Msg" Content-Description: Forwarded Msg Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (rly-xg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.199]) by air-xg04.mail.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXG42-45240c8a26021f; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:03:20 -0400 Received: from mailman.xmission.com (mailman.xmission.com [198.60.22.29]) by rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG26-45240c8a26021f; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:03:12 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mailman.xmission.com) by mailman.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BYTql-0002WN-09 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:00:27 -0600 Received: from mgr6.xmission.com ([198.60.22.206]) by mailman.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BYSet-0001Pw-00 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:44:07 -0600 Received: from [209.228.32.65] (helo=c000.snv.cp.net) by mgr6.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BYSep-0006g0-Sf for aml-list@mailman.xmission.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:44:07 -0600 Received: (cpmta 10366 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 09:44:02 -0700 Received: from 24.10.187.49 (HELO TMELISSA.taltossoftware.com) by smtp.proffitt.com (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 09:44:02 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Jun 2004 16:44:02 GMT Message-ID: <852hc0tq25skb7ipv75hlemjg34bf0ohjt@4ax.com> References: <20040527.174535.5794.110918@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on mgr6.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=8.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 209.228.32.65 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Melissa@Proffitt.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mgr6.xmission.com) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:00:12 -0600 X-BeenThere: aml-list@mailman.xmission.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: AML Discussion List List-Id: AML Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: aml-list-bounces+chrisbigelow3=cs.com@mailman.xmission.com Errors-To: aml-list-bounces+chrisbigelow3=cs.com@mailman.xmission.com X-AOL-IP: 198.60.22.29 I'd first like to thank everyone who has been discussing the magazine, both in its existing incarnation and its potential future state. At times it seemed as though we were publishing the magazine and no one cared--at least not enough to say anything about it. It's good to see that people do have opinions about it. :) I spoke with Laraine Wilkins, our new editor, a few night ago and I'm now in a position to talk with certainty about some aspects of the new publication. We're a lot further along than I thought, and the first piece of good news is that the first issue will be October 2004, with the second (February 2005) already well along in planning. We have the beginnings of an editorial board, but since not all of those involved have accepted, I'm not going to release names until it's complete. However, we do have editors for fiction, essays, reviews, and poetry, and two others for categories I've temporarily forgotten. (It was a long discussion.) We have someone who has selflessly volunteered to help with typesetting and are working on getting an artistic director. Chris, I just read your post about the Irreantum covers, and I think we should keep your comments in mind. I also don't want the magazine to look generic. The new magazine will be somewhat shorter and will be full-page (not double-column), which probably sounds scary, but that's because you don't know how much text Chris has been able to fit into that tiny magazine. It should still feel as though you're getting your money's worth. Contents for the first issue will include the winners from the Irreantum fiction contest (sorry folks, I don't know who they are, but we haven't forgotten), a few of the best papers from the last conference, poetry, and some personal essays on the new title (more on this later). Laraine also has this great idea for something she calls "Readers Write." It will be a section of short essays on a particular topic, solicited from readers of the magazine or anyone who feels so moved. Laraine explains it better than I do. For the first issue, this will be provided by the new AML board and the new Irreantum staff. I'm very excited about this feature. If there's something I haven't mentioned and you're worried about its absence, don't panic. We still, for example, don't have a film or drama representative, but we're working on it. We are also talking about creating an online newsletter that would publish some of the insider publishing information and trade-related news--this is stuff that I don't want to lose, but separating it out would give the new magazine a more literary focus without forcing us to ignore the publishing and writing side entirely. I intend to alter the AML's very structure--it occurs to me that I have possibly not shared this with the list--and the newsletter idea is a part of it. Now, about the title. The transition team has been tossing around a number of titles, but so far there hasn't been one that everyone thinks is perfect. So I am opening the discussion to all of you. There's really only one restriction: Our Mormon identity *must* be made plain in either the title or subtitle. Okay, two restrictions: I will crush like a little bug any title that even remotely suggests Wasatch regionalism. I was going to list the titles that we do like, but now I think I won't skew your creativity. I have a preference. Laraine has a preference. Gideon has a preference. That's all. Finally, I would like to make a public apology to the members of the Irreantum staff. In our zeal to get the new magazine running, and to make an entirely fresh start, we left the old team entirely out of the loop. This was completely irresponsible of us, and I am sorry for any bad feelings that may have resulted. None of this would have been possible without the hard work and dedication of a lot of unpaid volunteers, and somehow that makes it worse that we ignored them. I offer apologies on behalf of the entire transition team. Thanks for your patience, fellow list members, and please continue to post concerns, questions, or ideas. I'll answer what questions I can and keep the list updated on our progress. Melissa Proffitt AML President _______________________________________________ You can subscribe or unsubscribe at http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mail= man/listinfo/aml-list AML-List a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature AML-List@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aml-list ---------5da15cfbbe76d295da15cfbbe76d29-- -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 10 Jun 2004 20:35:56 -0600 Irreantum2@cs.com wrote: > Huh, I hadn't heard that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you hear > it? Personally, I would prefer callling it the Sugar Beet Review rather > than the Sego Lily Review. I'd prefer calling it just about anything rather than Sego Lily Review. -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com =============================================== Visit the new website of The Genesis Group at: http://ldsgenesisgroup.org The Genesis Group is an official group supported by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. =============================================== -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Langford Subject: Re: [irr-ed] the future of irreantum Date: 10 Jun 2004 22:22:03 -0500 I've had some back-channel communication with Melissa Proffitt on other matters, and apparently that name is definitely dead. Thank goodness. Jonathan >Irreantum2@cs.com wrote: >>Huh, I hadn't heard that rumor about the name, Jana. Where did you >>hear it? Personally, I would prefer callling it the Sugar Beet >>Review rather than the Sego Lily Review. > >I'd prefer calling it just about anything rather than Sego Lily Review. > >-- >D. Michael Martindale >dmichael@wwno.com > >=============================================== >Visit the new website of The Genesis Group at: > >http://ldsgenesisgroup.org > >The Genesis Group is an official group supported by The Church of >Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. >=============================================== > > >-- >Irreantum Editor's Discussion List -- Irreantum Editor's Discussion List