From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Bedtime Story Date: 01 Jan 1998 15:16:03 -0500 At 07:54 PM 12/31/97 -0800, Cagey wrote: >Rika, hon, I couldn't have said it better. I loved all the >attempts (well, except one), but this one... Okay, I'm curious. Which one didn't you love? (I have one I didn't care for much, but you go first.) >if Lucy could bottle the energy of this scene and sell it, >she'd make enough money to buy a Cassadine weather machine >and make Katherine a real ice princess . Now THERE is a great plan! >Thanks for the New Years treat! You're welcome! Transcribing it was a treat too. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Bedtime Story Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:56:04 -0800 >At 07:54 PM 12/31/97 -0800, Cagey wrote: > >>Rika, hon, I couldn't have said it better. I loved all the >>attempts (well, except one), but this one... At 03:16 PM 1/1/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >Okay, I'm curious. Which one didn't you love? (I have one I didn't care >for much, but you go first.) I was wondering the same thing. My vote: lapsus lingue (or however the hell you spell it). >>if Lucy could bottle the energy of this scene and sell it, >>she'd make enough money to buy a Cassadine weather machine >>and make Katherine a real ice princess . > >Now THERE is a great plan! No to mention a great quote... >>Thanks for the New Years treat! > >You're welcome! Transcribing it was a treat too. Such torture for you! To have to watch that scene over and over and over and over.... Happy New Year, all! By the by, my sister came up here last weekend and fixed whatever was wrong with my computer and she showed me how to make .wavs. I've made a few other them so far, but I figured I'd take some requests, too. Cagey's currently in possession of my most complete collection of K&L tapes, but I still have a pretty decent selection here to choose from. I'm getting more web space soon, so I'll be putting them up as soon as I do (since at the moment, I'm dangerously close to my limit). And I've got the obvious ones, like Kevin's "Gossomar" quote and their pledges of love from that ill fated New Year's Eve and a few others. There are more than enough to choose from, but I wouldn't want to miss any. Let me know. Taiyin "Why did I agree to do this?... I'd much rather be at home, naked in bed, with you.... With that old devil moon making shadow and light bounce off the curve of your hip." -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike and Kathi Mardis Subject: Re: K&L: 12/17 PC...HELP!!! Date: 01 Jan 1998 18:46:45 -0500 Be glad to trade with you and/or copy what I have. I am looking for anything with Ryan, or Kevin and Lucy from after they got Georgie backf rom Ryan up to the breakdown. I will copy what I have - it will take about 6 tapes - for you. Some of the quality will be good, some not so good, but I think all will be watchable, if you know what I mean. I have Lucy giving birth to Serena, Kevin's arrival (same night) in PC - up to just after Ryan's death - then Jasmine Island, but not what leads up to it Happy New Year to you! Kathim At 06:24 AM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >I will trade with you. Let me know your snail mail if your are interested. > >Kathi M > >At 03:24 PM 12/18/97 EST, you wrote: >>Hi all! >> >>My VCR didn't tape yesterday's PC and by the sounds of the recaps it was >>really good with Kev and Lucy. >> >>I will pay all costs or trade (have most GH's going back a couple of years, >>along with OLTL and some AMC..also have the pilot of PC and a lot of Kevin and >>Lucy) >> >>Please let me know! >> >>Nicole >> >>- >> >> > >Mike and Kathi > _______________________________ > \ \ _ ______ | > \ Mike and Kathi Mardis \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| > > Mardis@Mindspring.COM >------\ / | / ) > / www.mindspring.com/~mardis / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| > /______________________________/ * \ | | > (o) > > > >- > > Mike and Kathi _______________________________ \ \ _ ______ | \ Mike and Kathi Mardis \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| > Mardis@Mindspring.COM >------\ / | / ) / www.mindspring.com/~mardis / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| /______________________________/ * \ | | (o) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Bedtime Story Date: 01 Jan 1998 21:35:40 EST Rika, Thanks for that transcript!. It sure was fun to read that scene again... Or should I say it was fun to recite while reading it, since I pretty much know that whole scene by heart. I bet a lot of people on the list pretty much know that scene by heart..... Anne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: K&L: The many faces of Doc... Date: 01 Jan 1998 21:35:16 EST In a message dated 97-12-30 13:44:56 EST, sigmund@xmission.com writes: << >>And, I bet Rika was one happy lady today: Kevin did look sensational in >>his blue suit. :-) > >You know me so well! I rewound and watched him striding into the PC Grill >a few times.... :-) Me too. I owuld have been happier with a different shirt and tie, though. >> Oh I loved the shirt and tie! I thought he looked particularly handsome that day. You are definitely right about that suit:-). Anne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: K&L: The many faces of Doc... Date: 01 Jan 1998 21:35:16 EST In a message dated 97-12-30 13:44:56 EST, sigmund@xmission.com writes: << >>And, I bet Rika was one happy lady today: Kevin did look sensational in >>his blue suit. :-) > >You know me so well! I rewound and watched him striding into the PC Grill >a few times.... :-) Me too. I owuld have been happier with a different shirt and tie, though. >> Oh I loved the shirt and tie! I thought he looked particularly handsome that day. You are definitely right about that suit:-). Anne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Bedtime Story Date: 02 Jan 1998 00:18:13 -0500 At 12:56 PM 1/2/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >>At 07:54 PM 12/31/97 -0800, Cagey wrote: >> >>>Rika, hon, I couldn't have said it better. I loved all the >>>attempts (well, except one), but this one... > >At 03:16 PM 1/1/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >> >>Okay, I'm curious. Which one didn't you love? (I have one I didn't care >>for much, but you go first.) > >I was wondering the same thing. > >My vote: lapsus lingue (or however the hell you spell it). That would be mine as well. Most of their scenes are about romance and affection first, and sex second. In that one, it felt like the reverse (more like a Sonny/Brenda scene of the time, for example; their scenes were passionate, but I never sensed any true caring in them). Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Bedtime Story Date: 02 Jan 1998 07:48:14 -0800 (PST) At 03:16 PM 1/1/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >Okay, I'm curious. Which one didn't you love? (I have one I didn't care >for much, but you go first.) Lucy calling out Damien's name...Yuck. And as I just read Taiyin's reply, I see we agree . --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicole799 Subject: K&L: Rex asks Lucy...(SPOLIERS) Date: 04 Jan 1998 00:40:23 EST scroll on down... S C O O P S D O W N B E L O W ! ! <<- Rex asks Lucy to marry him>> I can't even comment on this cuz I am laughing TOO HARD...this should be funny (as long as he says no...LOL) Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicole799 Subject: Re: K&L: Rex asks Lucy...(SPOLIERS) Date: 04 Jan 1998 01:02:22 EST In a message dated 98-01-04 00:47:02 EST, you write: << (as long as he says no...LOL) >> meant to say she! sorry... Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katie Bischoff" Subject: Re: K&L: Rex asks Lucy...(still SPOILERS) Date: 04 Jan 1998 12:44:56 PST You laughed when you saw this. I screamed! Rex and Lucy?? Oh please, oh please tell me that the writers are not even going to try to hook the two of them up. That would be taking the whole let's-pretend-we're-enemies-and-fake-out-Rex plan just a little too far. Kate ktnb@hotmail.com P.S. I also read at GH Hotline that Rex is starting to fall in love with Lucy!!! ><<- Rex asks Lucy to marry him>> > >I can't even comment on this cuz I am laughing TOO HARD...this should be funny >(as long as he says no...LOL) > >Nicole ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: K&L: mysterious stranger Date: 07 Jan 1998 07:27:10 PST ok, i'm confused. so...what i had gathered up till yesterday was that rex had put some sort of poison in the pills, in levels which would be undetectable when lucy had them analyzed, which would slowly build up and kill lucy off. am i close so far? but THEN...yesterday the mysterious stranger sneaks into her room and switches the pills. so now i'm a little confused. is it supposed to be that the FIRST bottle of pills were harmless, and rex had somebody sneak in to replace them, after lucy's analysis, to be sure the poison went undetected. or is lucy supposed to have some sort of mysterious benefactor, who, although working with rex, thinks rex's scheme to knock lucy off takes things a bit too far? anybody have a clue? also, i must say that when the mysterious stranger first made his appearance, i really thought it was kevin playing cloak and daggers again. sadly...not. :) julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: mysterious stranger Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:34:11 -0500 At 07:27 AM 1/7/98 PST, Julie wrote: >but THEN...yesterday the mysterious stranger sneaks into her room and >switches the pills. so now i'm a little confused. is it supposed to be >that the FIRST bottle of pills were harmless, and rex had somebody sneak >in to replace them, after lucy's analysis, to be sure the poison went >undetected. or is lucy supposed to have some sort of mysterious >benefactor, who, although working with rex, thinks rex's scheme to knock >lucy off takes things a bit too far? anybody have a clue? I'm pretty sure it's the former. I was confused at first too. It makes sense, though, that Rex would have given Lucy harmless pills for her chemist to check, and then slipped in the dangerous ones later. If the chemist did any sort of decent analysis, certainly even a trace of poison would have showed up. But since Lucy is replacing them with Vitamin C pills (thank heaven she's not as dumb as she has seemed lately), at least that's good news. The only thing is, I think they make a mistake telling us all these things. They shouldn't have let us know that Rex wasn't buying it - they should have made us wonder what he believed and what he knew. Back when Rex was more mysterious, he was interesting. Now he's just a pit bull who ought to be locked in a cage. And they shouldn't have let us know that Lucy isn't taking Rex's pills. Again, why not build suspense by making us worry about her? They could even have had her show signs of slight illness, which could have turned out later to be just a case of the flu (or even morning sickness!!!!!). >also, i must say that when the mysterious stranger first made his >appearance, i really thought it was kevin playing cloak and daggers >again. sadly...not. :) I wondered about that too! It looked like the kind of shoes he wears, so at first I thought it might be him. But I can't see why he would have switched the pills. If he *had* found out what Rex was up to, he would have told Lucy, not rescued her behind her back. Interesting, though, that we never saw the person's face. Is there a mystery here - is someone working for Rex that we don't know about - or were they just saving money by using an actor we would have recognized to supply the hands and feet? Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: PC on 1/8 Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:41:34 -0500 Five words, no spoilers: Kevin. Blue suit. Absolutely gorgeous. I think that says it all! Rika, amazed at how often our Doc manages to brighten her day - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Loving Someone Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:50:53 -0500 The transcript is a little late this week - I hadn't programmed my organizer with my weekly tasks for the new year, and I forgot to send it on Sunday! Anyway, here's the transcript from BJ's first birthday after her death. The performances in this scene were extraordinary, and of course that power is lost in this transcript, but the words vibrate with a great deal of feeling on their own. Rika ---------------------- KEVIN, LUCY, AND LOVING SOMEONE - October 6, 1994 Lucy goes to the Brownstone to mourn BJ with Bobbie and Tony. They call a temporary truce - Bobbie and Lucy even hug. Bobbie and Tony give Lucy a little outfit that BJ wore as an infant. Next, Lucy visits Kevin. She wanders into his office clutching BJ's baby outfit and a bunch of pansies. He's not sure what is going on, but he can tell that something is wrong. He watches Lucy intently as she speaks, tears in her eyes and emotion clogging her voice. L: "Do you see this? You see how tiny it is? Well, BJ used to be tiny enough to fit in this. I know that because I used to rock her and sing to her, and I would bathe her, and I would make her smile when she got cranky, and this was filled out by her tiny body. And now all that's left of her is that - just a little girl body, dead in the ground. And now, you tell me, how am I supposed to figure that this world is a good thing when horrible things like that are allowed to happen? Is that the lesson that we're supposed to learn from life? How to deal with it, how to deal with horrible things that happen that just don't make any sense?" (Kevin still doesn't know what brought this on, but he stands up and takes Lucy in his arms to comfort her.) L: (crying) "Oh, Kevin, it's her birthday today." (Kevin holds her even tighter.) K: "Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry." L: "So tell me, when oh when does this start making sense to me?" (Lucy takes a step back out of Kevin's arms. He wipes a tear off her cheek.) K: "Lucy, I've been asking myself that question for years now. All that I've been able to come up with is, 'maybe never.'" L: "So, what are we supposed to do?" K: "We accept what we can't change, and we get on with the business of living." (The Doc needs to practice what he's preaching where Grace is concerned.) L: "No, no, I don't want to accept it. I do not want to. I refuse to accept the unacceptable." K: "Then what *are* you going to do?" L: "I'll fight it. You just change it." K: "How? Lucy, shaking your fists and railing at the gods doesn't do anything except make your arms tired. And it won't bring BJ back. Yes, her loss is unacceptable and it's unspeakable. And, no, it doesn't make any sense. But you could spend the rest of your life looking for answers and never find one that satisfies you. We go on. That's the only real choice that we have." (Kevin moves behind his desk, putting some physical and emotional space between himself and Lucy. He's in his element now - the learned therapist. Lucy senses this and gets angry.) L: "What are you doing? You think you know everything here, don't you? What right do you have to just stand there, droning at me, telling me I'm supposed to passively accept the unacceptable? Well, tell me something. Have you ever lost someone that you really loved? Or, better yet, have you ever loved anybody, Kevin? (Lucy is astonished by what her question unleashes. Kevin responds with uncharacteristic emotional force.) K: "Well, I don't know. Let me think about that one for a minute, Lucy. I suppose that depends on what you mean by loss. If betrayal and disillusionment is loss, I suppose Ryan qualifies. Or if it means death, let me think. There's my mother, there's my father, there's my stepmother, there's my..... friend." (Kevin is close to tears himself. Lucy is astonished - she hasn't seen that much honest emotion from Kevin up to this point, and she's probably surprised to see how strong his feelings can be.) L: "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I just struck out at you because there's nobody else and you're just an easy target right now, Kevin. I didn't mean to hurt you." (Kevin thinks for a moment, and then he takes Lucy in his arms again.) K: "It's okay, Lucy." L: "I'm sorry." K: "It's okay. It's okay." And he holds her as she cries again, but this time we can see the pain on his own face. When we rejoin them, Lucy has calmed down. L: "I think I already know the answer. You just keep everyone and everything at arm's length." K: "Ah. But what about love, Lucy?" L: "What about love? Love never works out. Men just leave because you're never good enough, or you just don't do enough. And I loved Dominique. She was my - well, she was my only friend. So then there's Scotty and Serena and now BJ. So you tell me, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to just keep putting myself out there over and over and over again and just keep getting hurt?" K: "But we can't regulate who we love, Lucy. It either happens or it doesn't. But once it does, you don't get a vote. You're automatically vulnerable." L: "You didn't answer my question, as usual. Have you ever been in love?" K: "Oh, haven't we all." L: "You're evading." K: "And maybe there's a reason for that." L: "Well, that's too darn bad. You know, you can't just dispense advice to people all the time about how they should or shouldn't handle their emotions. Because you know something, Doc, I never see you walking around with your heart on your sleeve. And you know why I think that is? Because you, perhaps, are probably the most buttoned-up person emotionally I have ever met in my entire life." K: "All right, Lucy, enough. I have been in love, okay?" L: "Okay. And?" K: "I lost her. Do you understand? I lost her. There. I just gave validity to your very gloomy philosophies. Now, are you happy?" L: "No, of course not. Okay, so I say I'm sorry again. You are being sweet and listening and being wonderful and supportive and I'm being absolutely vile." K: "Yes, you are. But I understand where it's coming from and I shouldn't have snapped at you." L: "Yes, you should have snapped at me. But you did prove my point, don't you see? If you put yourself out there, you lose. You get burned. I don't want to do that anymore. I just don't feel like it anymore. It's not worth it to me. So I am going to stick to what I am very, very good at." K: "Oh, like causing trouble and playing games." L: "I don't choose to see it that way, but, yeah." K: "You are amazing. You know, Lucy, I don't delude myself into thinking that there are limits to the ways that you will justify your aberrant behavior with Damian. But using BJ's death, now that is something I never would have considered." (Now THAT was out of line. It's possible that Lucy hurt Kevin by saying that opening herself up to love wasn't worth it to her anymore, and that he said this to hurt her back. He may not have consciously realized that he was hurt, but he probably has much deeper feelings for Lucy at this point than is willing to admit to himself.) L: "How can you even say that to me?" K: "Because that's exactly what you're doing." L: "Will you tell me something, Doctor? Where did you get your stupid little diplomas on your stupid little wall? Did you get them at those stupid little rummage sales you go to? Because you, after all this time, don't know even one single thing about me. So promise me you'll remind me not to hand out any more of your cards." Lucy picks up her pansies off his desk and storms out of Kevin's office. He looks a bit shell-shocked at her reaction. We next see Lucy in tears at BJ's grave. She leaves her bouquet of pansies at the foot of the gravestone; then she rests her head against the headstone in tears. And that's all for now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: PC on 1/8 Date: 08 Jan 1998 15:46:27 -0800 Rika, she of few words, wrote: > Kevin. Yum. > Blue suit. Double yum. > Absolutely gorgeous. Always! >I think that says it all! Indeed. >Rika, amazed at how often our Doc manages to brighten her day Kinda scary, isn't it? My boss can hand me stack loads of junk to do; my CD player could crap out; the bosses' kids could be running through here screaming like banshees; I could have an empty refrigerator; the weather could suck; my car could break down... ok, so the new car is NOT allowed to break down, but pretty much anything else could go wrong, and all it would take is Kevin, in a suit (or a tux... or nothing), and I couldn't care less. In any other company I'd probably be concerned for my sanity, but since most of ya'll aren't much better than I am, I won't worry. :-) Taiyin "Well, don't tell me that you're trying to perhaps let me know that you, what -- find me attractive?" --"Magnetic. Like those bug zappers. You know it's certain death, but you dive in anyway." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: K&L: Kissing Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:54:01 -0600 Is it just me or does K & L kissing seem strange? It came to me when Rex kissed Lucy at his home (now I know that they are married in the real world) that "that" was a kiss. I'm trying to think when K kissed L like that and I can only come up with 3 times, (1). At the end of her "bedtime" story. (2). The first bath tub scene they did "rubber ducky" (3). The first night after getting out of jail. Now I'm not saying that there is anything "wrong" with their love scenes its just that the "lip action" if you will just isn't there. Gee when I think of the way "Ryan" kissed Connie if makes me wonder. Am I wrong? Debi -- --------------------------------------------------------- Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "Come Visit" --------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: K&L: Re: mysterious stranger Date: 09 Jan 1998 06:33:36 PST rika wrote: >I'm pretty sure it's the former. I was confused at first too. It >makes sense, though, that Rex would have given Lucy harmless pills >for her chemist to check, and then slipped in the dangerous ones >later. If the chemist did any sort of decent analysis, certainly >even a trace of poison would have showed up. i would agree with you entirely--but the only thing that made me question that was the scene with rex and his chemist guy, assuring rex that the poison would be undetectable when lucy ran her analysis. so then why would they switch the pills AFTER she had them analyzed? of course, it's possible we're just overanalyzing this...but i found it odd that they would include that scene if they were going to let her analyze normal pills and switch them after the fact. >(thank heaven she's not as dumb as she has seemed lately) that's EXACTLY the same thought i had when she switched the pills! >The only thing is, I think they make a mistake telling us all these >things. i agree. which is part of why i wonder if there's a lot more to this than it appears at face value. because, given the fact that we ALL know that somehow, someway, rex has to lose in the end, they're not leaving much room for suspense by telling us as much as they are. the feeling i got when lucy switched the (already switched once) pills for vitamin c was that this was all one of those shell games--you know, where they have three shells and hide a ball under one, and switch them around so many times right in front of your eyes that while you're TRYING to pay attention and really think you're following the ball, you manage to lose track of where things are really ending up. of course, i have no idea--but that's the gut feeling i got from that scene. >Back when Rex was more mysterious, he was interesting. Now he's just >a pit bull who ought to be locked in a cage. well, considering i never found him either mysterious OR interesting, i'm probably the wrong person to comment! but he definitely gets MORE insufferable the longer this goes on... >Interesting, though, that we never saw the person's face. Is there a >mystery here - is someone working for Rex that we don't know about - >or were they just saving money by using an actor we would have >recognized to supply the hands and feet? interesting question. i tend to be of the opinion that anything that's done is done for a reason. it seems to me that if this were as straightforward as it seemed, they could have shown us who switched the pills. it could have been rex's chemist guy, or rex himself, neither of which would have cost extra money. the fact that they DIDN'T show the face leads me to think something else is going on here. it reminds me of the black gloves planting the bloody scalpel from dorman's murder in brenda's trunk on gh--we know what's being done, but we don't know by whom or why. (of course, the black gloves turned out to belong to some random character we'd never met before, which i find patently unfair in this type of story...but who knows! maybe the tin man's back from the dead again.) julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Lapsis Linguae Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:33:44 -0500 Well, gang, we talked a couple of weeks ago about whether or not there was a Kevin/Lucy lovemaking attempt that people did *not* enjoy. Cagey, Taiyin, and I all agreed on one - and, lo and behold, it's the transcript for this week. All I can say is, hang in there, because there are some delightful scenes coming up in the next couple of weeks! Rika ---------------------- KEVIN, LUCY, AND A LAPSIS LINGUAE - early October, 1994 This episode contains Failed Lovemaking Attempt #2. It's later in the day on BJ's birthday. After leaving Kevin's office, and then visiting BJ's grave, Lucy met with Luke and found out that he was able to nail Damian, using the information Lucy obtained for him. Thus, the bet extension was at an end, and Lucy had her revenge. Lucy knocks (wow!) and enters Kevin's office, smiling sheepishly. He is packing up his briefcase. L: "Hi. Remember me?" K: "I think so. Aren't you the woman who stormed out of here earlier, threatening to never pass out my business cards again?" L: "Yup, that'd be me, but I've had a change of heart and your secretary did say you've seen your last patient of the day." K: "Oh, don't tell me she was mistaken." L: "Well, no. Well, you keep pointing out that I'm not one of your patients, which is a very good thing, because if I was, and I was paying you all this big money, I'd be bound to take your advice. But in this case I don't have to, because you were wrong, wrong, wrong!" K: "Oh! About what?" L: "Be prepared to congratulate me." K: "Lucy, what have you gotten yourself into now?" (During the commercial break she must have told him. When we return, she's finishing up the tale of Damian's demise. We'll skip over that part and join Lucy in mid-babble:) L: "And, oh, Doctor, might I add that I did come out of this whole thing without a scratch. And, in fact, I have a new little pal." K: "Mmm. Luke Spencer." L: "Why do you do that? Why do you always screw your face up like that whenever you mention his name?" (It's kind of like his 'Damian face', but not quite so overt.) K: "I have a newfound respect for the man. He tangled with you and lived to tell the tale. And he stayed faithful to his distant wife. Didn't he?" L: "You couldn't stop yourself. You had to ask, didn't you?" K: "It wasn't a question - it was more of a hopeful statement." L: "oh, really? Interesting." K: "Lucy, playing at seduction can be dangerous." L: "Doctor, I never play at seduction. It's always the real thing." K: "Is that so?" (Lucy traces the 'frown lines' on his forehead with one hand.) L: "Oh oh, there you go again. You know, you're frowning like that, and you're getting these little lines right here in your forehead, and if you keep doing that I'm afraid they'll be permanent." K: "Well, if I continue this conversation that's a foregone conclusion." L: "Oh, cheer up. Everything with Luke and me - well, it's all hunky dorey. In fact, he even invited me to a party tonight. Would you like to come?" K: "As your chaperone?" L: "Ewwww. You probably were a real party pooper, I bet. No necking on the dance floor, no spiking the punch. I'm glad you weren't at my high school prom." K: "Well, now that you've succeeded in making me feel decrepit, old, and boring, I think I'll pass on this party." L: "No, no, no, no! You have to come. It's for Ruby's birthday, it's a surprise, and all her friends will be there." K: "Since when is Ruby a friend of mine? She still thinks I'm Ryan." L: "Oh, that doesn't matter. You have to come because, well, because it's my destiny. You see, I read in my horoscope for this month that I am going to get my heart's desire. And I got Deception back, I got Damian back, and I got Katherine back, and now all that's left is to work on you. So, come on." (Lucy grabs Kevin by the tie and pulls him towards the door.) K: "That gives me a cold grue. Do I end up with a broken back, or in a coma like Ms. Bell?" L: "What coma?" We see them later on their way to the elevators. Lucy grills Kevin about Katherine's situation, but he refuses to satisfy her curiosity. They bump into Felicia. Lucy tries to drag Kevin away to no avail, so then she asks Felicia about Katherine, and they gossip a bit (while Kevin rolls his eyes). Finally, Lucy literally pulls Kevin into the elevator. It turns out that Kevin didn't have anything to worry about, because Ruby greets him warmly. Lucy doesn't fare so well; Ruby treats her with thinly-veiled contempt. Later, after the party, they arrive at the lighthouse. L: "Explain something to me again, Doc. Why is it that a hugely successful dose of double revenge makes you feel all warm and snuggly inside?" K: "It's the realization of a goal. We have a physical res--" L: "No, it's not really warm and snuggly. Well, it kind of is, but it's also like an energization. I feel sort of reborn. You know, like all the dark thoughts have been washed away, and I almost have this whole inner peace kind of thing going on. It's like I have so many brand new empty spaces that are just waiting to be filled up." K: (mischievously) "You know, I think I could help with that." L: "I am so good when I'm bad. Of course, I knew that already. No one is better at payback than Lucy Coe. But this whole thing went beyond my wildest expectations. I have to admit, I did picture some pretty horrific scenarios for that Gruesome Twosome, but to have both of them laid out flat on their backs is just too much! Of course, I didn't mean them physical harm; of course I don't mind it -" (Kevin has been watching Lucy, a bemused expression on his face. Finally he takes action. When Lucy turns to face him, he grabs her face in his hands and kisses her, effectively cutting off her babble. He releases her, a satisfied little smile on his face.) L: "Well, that was rude, sort of. I mean, you interrupted me right in the middle of a major thought process." K: "Mmm hmm. All your thoughts are headed in the wrong direction, Lucy. You see, I've had enough of Damian - and Katherine, for that matter - probably enough to last the rest of my life." L: "Right. You have been incredibly patient." K: "No, infinitely patient." L: "Right, but couldn't you just be big enough to allow me this one teeny, tiny moment of victory?" (Kevin smooths Lucy's hair away from the side of her face.) K: "Sure. But you've already had it, and now it's time to move on. So now that all the games with Luke and Damian are all over with, you're going to concentrate on us." (Kevin moves in closer.) L: "Us?" K: "Us. As in you and me here, together, now." (Kevin starts nuzzling Lucy's neck.) L: "Why, Doctor Collins, if I didn't know better, I would say you'd better be careful, because you are trying to seduce me." (Kevin looks up at Lucy with a lazy, seductive smile.) K: "Is it working?" From the look on Lucy's face as Kevin returns to kissing her neck, it is working very well indeed. When we return to them, they are standing together, kissing - no, let's call that devouring each other - while yanking each other's clothes off, and they are moving in the general direction of the couch. (Most Kevin/Lucy love scenes include strong elements of sensuality and romance; this one is unusual because raw passion takes precedence.) Kevin seems almost desperate; Lucy maintains a tiny bit of control for long enough to ask: L: "Kevin?" K: "Mmm hmm?" L: "Kevin?" K: "Mmm?!!?" L: "Kevin? We're really - we're moving into very dangerous territory here." (Lucy gasps this remark a couple of words at a time between kisses. As she finishes, they arrive at the couch. Lucy sinks into a reclining position.) K: "I noticed." (Kevin joins Lucy on the couch, lying on top of her, and the kissing continues until Lucy breaks away to ask breathlessly:) L: "Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait -" K: "What?" L: "Are you sure?" K: "I'm sure." (They return to kissing. Lucy gets carried away.) L: "Oh, oh, oh, Damian!" (Oops. Any hope that Kevin didn't notice vanishes immediately.) K: "Oh, DAMIAN?" L: "Oh, no, oh dear!" (When we return to them, Lucy is trying to defend herself.) L: "Why are you so angry?" K: "Angry? How can you fix your mouth to even form those words? You just called me Damian! I am Kevin, *not* Damian!" L: "It was a - it was a - " K: "It was a what?" L: "A mistake - habit, perhaps." (Oops.) K: "A habit! Now that's interesting. You see, I wasn't aware that your relationship with Damian had progressed to the point where your passion inspires name-calling." L: "Oh, yuck! It hasn't, it hasn't - the very thought of it just makes my skin crawl. It's just because he's been on my mind lately. I mean, think about it, he's been on my mind for almost a whole year, and just recently the whole thing climaxed." (Oops. Kevin just looks at her.) L: "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, again, that was a horrible choice of words." K: "Would you like to hear what I don't appreciate?" L: "Do I have to?" K: "I don't appreciate being used. I don't appreciate being a stand-in for Damian. I don't appreciate you thinking of another man while you're kissing me. And I really don't appreciate your sorry, flimsy excuses!" (It's back to that whole insecurity thing again. It's so easy for Kevin to believe that Lucy is just using him, because he finds it impossible to believe that a woman like her could actually have feelings for someone like him.) L: "Can I have a turn here? You know what, you know what I don't appreciate is your judgmental tone of voice! You never make mistakes, is that it? You are so perfect that you've never had just a simple slip of the tongue?" K: "Lucy, how would you like it if you were crawling all over me and I called you 'Felicia'?" (He shoots, he scores! Lucy's anger melts away and is replace by remorse.) L: "I would hate it. I am sorry, Kevin." K: "So am I." Kevin walks towards the door, counting to ten under his breath in an attempt to calm himself. Not an unusual strategy, but because he's Kevin, he counts in French. He opens the door and steps outside. L: "Kevin? Oh, boy." (She hurries across the room to join him by the open door. He stands, his back to her, arms folded across his chest. His body language says it all.) L: "I just made a horrible mistake. I don't know why I said what I said. That disgusting word just came out of my mouth. It's probably because Damian, he's just been on my mind, you know, because of the bet and the seduction and all that, he's just been there for so very long." K: "Don't you see? That's exactly the problem. How can I possibly fit in there if he's taking up all the room?" (Sniff - he sounds so hurt and anguished....) L: "But he's not - not anymore." K: "Lucy, what happened tonight tells me otherwise." L: "Please don't hold this against me. I never, ever would want to hurt you." K: "I think you should go, Lucy." L: "Oh, Kevin, no." K: "Please, just go, Lucy. Go visit Damian." Kevin turns his back on Lucy. She goes back into the living room, collects her things, and leaves. Kevin doesn't acknowledge her departure, his eyes downcast. Outside the door, Lucy stops and makes herself a heartfelt promise: L: "That is it. That is the last time you ruin something for me, Damian!" Lucy then makes the strategic error of visiting Damian in the hospital and telling him that she helped Luke to bring him down, thus ensuring that Damian would seek revenge some day (which he did when he hired Joe Scully to sabotage Deception about four months later). The end! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike and Kathi Mardis Subject: Re: K&L: 12/17 PC...HELP!!! Date: 12 Jan 1998 22:10:02 -0500 Hi Nicole - This is to confirm that you still want the PC tape of 17 Dec - I will send it out upon your reply. (Any other date you want added?) I am looking for K&L from the following period: from right after Lucy pulls "Norma's" wig off - up to Jasmine Island. Let me know if you can help me out with any of that, thanks. Sorry to take so long, but am copying for a buch of folks, so it takes a while. Kathi Mike and Kathi _______________________________ \ \ _ ______ | \ Mike and Kathi Mardis \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| > Mardis@Mindspring.COM >------\ / | / ) / www.mindspring.com/~mardis / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| /______________________________/ * \ | | (o) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicole799 Subject: Re: K&L: 12/17 PC...HELP!!! Date: 12 Jan 1998 22:31:24 EST In a message dated 98-01-12 22:13:12 EST, you write: << This is to confirm that you still want the PC tape of 17 Dec - I will send it out upon your reply. (Any other date you want added?) >> Hi! SOmeone already sent it to me. Thanks SO much for your offer though! Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Kevin and Eve Date: 15 Jan 1998 10:37:42 -0800 OK, so I'm behind a bit. I LOVED Kevin and Eve flirting at the Grill on Monday right under Lucy and Rex's noses. :-) I am so sick of watching Rex drooling after Lucy, while Kevin has to sit on the sidelines (as USUAL ). It's about time that Kevin got to have a little bit of fun. Besides, anytime that Kevin gets to have a scene with anyone but Lucy or Scott, I'm happy. The more scenes Eve has with either Kevin or Lucy, the more she reminds me of the old Lucy. And the more I like her. I especially like that Lucy has to trust her, but still doesn't really like her -- like repels and all that. Taiyin "Lucy, I love having you in my life. You're like gossamer -- you shimmer and shine and spread light into all the dark places. And you're out of your mind if you don't think I want to make love to you right now, from the inside out, in every conceivable way." -- Kevin, "General Hosptial" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Rex and Lucy (SPOILERS) Date: 15 Jan 1998 11:10:07 -0800 Today's ep... in progress... spoiler space... S P O I L E R S P A C E ARGH!!!!! Yuck!!!! Bleah!!! Disgusting! OK, now that I've gotten that out of my system... How long before we are put out of our misery and this story just ENDS?? Please. I'll beg. If I have to hear the word "sex" come out of Rex's mouth, in reference to Lucy, one more time, I think my brain will implode and then leak out my ears. "Little lamb chop" and "Rexie" are going to put me into therapy if this storyline continues much longer. And where the hell if Kevin? Wasn't he supposed to be on his way? Taiyin... off to convulse in shivering fits... "Why did I agree to do this?... I'd much rather be at home, naked in bed, with you.... With that old devil moon making shadow and light bounce off the curve of your hip." -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: Rex and Lucy (SPOILERS) Date: 14 Jan 1998 20:22:40 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Taiyin wrote: Keeping spoiler space in since it's not midnight yet. > Today's ep... in progress... spoiler space... > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > ARGH!!!!! Yuck!!!! Bleah!!! > Disgusting! > My sentiments exactly, along with maybe a "Ugh! (shiver)" added in for good measure. > And where the hell if Kevin? Wasn't he supposed to be on his way? I was wondering that too. I was waiting for him to burst into the house and go his own special brand of Ryan Postal on Rex. If anything I wanted Lucy to call him since apparently they've decided it's ok to call each other on their cell phones. Surely she had some special code in case something like this happened. Something like "Someone's trying to steal the bracelet" or "Rex is trying to have sex with the bracelet" And why was she the one going in the first place? Wouldn't it have been easier, though not writer friendly, to have someone else go, like maybe Kevin? If anything I see this as a harbinger of things to come. Kevin in the past has remarked that he's seriously concenred for Lucy's safety and along with today's ep we've been given glimpses into what Rex is capable. I've got a feeling that Lucy's life is going to be put in more serious danger to round out this hellish storyline with Kevin finally coming to rescue, since we all know Kevin is apparently the only one who's willing to blow the plan to save Lucy. And to remark on Tuesday's ep, it's nice to see that the writers are gonna continue to Scott/Kevin animosity. I was cheering when Kevin remarked that he'd be a happy man once Scott got out of his life. -Nicole "It's alright, it's only Gunther.... Bad boy. You know you ruined the mood." -Kevin to Lucy and Gunther, PC - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Rex and Lucy (SPOILERS) Date: 15 Jan 1998 20:03:16 -0800 Nicole wrote: > >And to remark on Tuesday's ep, it's nice to see that the writers are gonna >continue to Scott/Kevin animosity. I was cheering when Kevin remarked that >he'd be a happy man once Scott got out of his life. I agree. I also liked the fact that Scott tried to get away with that simpering little, "I didn't ask her to do this" and Kevin busted him. He sure as hell DID ask her to h*lp him. And if it gets her hurt, Kevin'll get that change to go postal on Scott. And I'll be cheering. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: K&L: Re: Rex and Lucy Date: 15 Jan 1998 06:57:40 PST On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Taiyin wrote: > ARGH!!!!! Yuck!!!! Bleah!!! > Disgusting! you are SO right...eeeeeeeewwwwwwwww, that was just HORRIBLE! i have to wonder--does anybody, ANYWHERE, actually LIKE rex, and/or this storyline? because i for one find myself hating him more with each passing day--and NOT in the "i love to hate him" way! they better be wrapping this up and shipping rex off to parts unknown VERY VERY soon. (he IS leaving after this is all over...isn't he???) it has to be over soon...doesn't it? hasn't scott's case already gone to the jury for deliberation? unless tptb make him LOSE, and take this whole mess into round 2. but i don't want to even THINK about that possibility... julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Eve Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:27:12 -0500 At 10:37 AM 1/15/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >OK, so I'm behind a bit. I know the feeling! I can't believe the semester only started 1 1/2 weeks ago. I feel like it's been going on for a month already! >I LOVED Kevin and Eve flirting at the Grill on Monday right under Lucy and >Rex's noses. :-) YES! Finally, Lucy getting a bit of her own back. >I am so sick of watching Rex drooling after Lucy, while Kevin has to sit on >the sidelines (as USUAL ). It's about time that Kevin got to have a >little bit of fun. Well, then, get ready, because S P O I L E R S S A Y T H A T Next week, Kevin and Eve are supposed to kiss. I assume this will be part of the plan, and not something spontaneous, but I'm going to be really curious to see it. I just hope Lucy sees it too. And I hope she eats her heart out. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:39:35 -0500 Much as I want the Rex/Lucy story to go away RIGHT NOW, there's one development that I like, and that has been a long time in coming. I'm so glad that Kevin and Scott have teamed up to do some investigating! First off, for a while there Kevin had nothing to do but don various disguises and sneak into Lucy's room. He was very cute, but I was starting to want to say, "GET A LIFE, DOC!!!!" It got so bad that he seemed to be averaging about 1-2 minutes of screen time per day, while Lucy and Rex had scene after scene. Second, Kevin and Scott have nice chemistry, and it changes when Lucy isn't there. We first saw it last summer, shortly after the miscarriage, when Kevin and Scott started discussing their mutual worries that Serena's kidnapping had just been a first step. They should give the two of them more scenes together. I'm not, though, suggesting a best-friends link a la Kevin and Mac (and, BTW, WHY hasn't Kevin visited his buddy over on GH; he could join in the ranks of the confused when Faux Mac doesn't behave as expected?). Third, since their sleuthing has required Kevin to pose as Rex's psychiatrist, he's had to dress the part. As you all know, that dark blue suit - with Kevin in it, of course - is more than enough to make my day!!!!! The two of them gave me two genuine laughs on today's show, but I'm too lazy to insert spoiler space. I'm sure someone will comment on them! Rika "Scotty magnetism, huh?" -- Kevin, 1/16/98 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and a Silent Movie Date: 17 Jan 1998 17:53:25 -0500 Hello all - This scene is just plain fun. Ah, for the good old days........ Anyway, enjoy! Rika ---------------- KEVIN, LUCY, AND A SILENT MOVIE - early October, 1994 Our hero is sitting at a table at the Outback. Felicia sits with him, blathering on about how Mac disapproves of her decision not to tell Frisco about her pregnancy. Kevin explains that he agrees with Mac - it's similar to an experience he once had with Grace (who got pregnant and chose to have an abortion without telling Kevin). He thinks it's unfair to Frisco not to tell him about the baby. During this conversation, Lucy arrives; she sits at the bar, seething at the sight of Kevin and Felicia together. While she watches them, she fantasizes that the three of them are in a silent movie together. We see Felicia, in a villain's cape, top hat, and mustache. Kevin, his wrists tied together, is sitting on the railroad tracks while Felicia gags him. The movie sound track consists of evil-villain theme music played on a piano. The dialogue, of course, isn't spoken - it's displayed on placards inserted in the "movie". F: "What's that? You're sorry? Sorry you rejected my lascivious advances?" K: (through his gag) "Hhrrggh! Hhrrggh!" (We hear a train whistle.) F: "Quiet! There's a train coming and you're gonna be under it!!" K: "Urrgh! Urrgh! Urrgh!" (Felicia pulls out two guns and points them at Kevin.) F: "If I can't have you then she can't have you either! Now down on the tracks before I blow your head off!!!" K: (lying down on the tracks in despair) "Hhrrgh! Hhrrgh! Hhrrgh!" F: "You're repeating yourself! Now be still! This isn't as easy at [sic] it looks!!" Felicia ties Kevin to the tracks; at one point she needs his help with a knot, and he supplies a stabilizing index finger. Afterwards, Kevin stares at his finger in disbelief. Suddenly, we hear hero-theme-song music on the piano, and Lucy, dressed very much like a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, bursts through two swinging saloon doors. She is smoking something that looks like a cigarillo - she spits it out, coughing. She stands, hands on hips, addressing Felicia. L: "Unhand him, you miserable heathen!" K: "Luuuy! Luuuy!" (Felicia rises up and points her guns at Lucy) F: "Back off or I'll shoot you where you stand!" L: "Ha! Ha! Ha! This town ain't big enough for the two of us, blondie. So say your prayers and prepare to meet your maker!!" The combatants face off. Kevin looks frantically back and forth between the two of them and the onrushing train. A fine shooting match ensues across the tracks. Lucy manages to shoot Felicia, who falls to the ground but doesn't die. Our heroine continues to shoot in fine Lucy-style that you simply have to see to appreciate, throwing in a few little exultant marching steps, whirling around, and even shooting behind her back. Despite all of this fancy footwork, Lucy is frustrated to see that the villainous Felicia isn't dead yet. She finally crosses the tracks and fires at close range. This does the trick, and she tosses the guns aside. She unties Kevin and sits beside him, cradling her head in his hands. K: "Lucy! Thank God!" L: "There, there, pumpkin. Everything's gonna be just fine." As the train continues to approach, they kiss, and we fade back to Lucy at the Outback bar. Emboldened by her fantasy, she marches over to Kevin's table. L: "Kevin, I really do need to speak with you ALONE." K: "Lucy - " L: "Thank you for remembering. Would you just run along, Felicia?" (Felicia stands up to face Lucy.) F: "Okay, Lucy, that's it. I have had it with you." (Kevin looks down at the table, partially covering his face with one hand. His expression is a mixture of embarrassment, annoyance, amusement, and highly gratified ego.) L: "Am I hallucinating here? You've had it with me?" F: "Up to here. Up to here with all of your misplaced, misguided, territorial attitudes about Kevin. And let me just clue you in on something that you seem to be missing. Kevin had a life before you barged into it. And not to get technical or anything, but I was there first. He's my friend, and there's nothing wrong with me sitting in my part of the Outback and having a conversation with him without you storming over and interrupting us and acting as if we're engaging in some kind of - " (she looks at Kevin) "What, in what?" K: "In flagrante delicto." F: "Yes, that's right." L: "Thank you very much. Am I supposed to respond to this in some manner?" F: "No." (Felicia turns around and stomps off. Lucy, mission accomplished, sits in Felicia's vacated chair.) L: "Sheesh! What is wrong with her?" K: "I guess she was insulted by your behavior." L: "Well, she really didn't give me a chance to exhibit any. She certainly is touchy, though. All I did was just walk over here and mention that I'd like to have a private conversation with you." K: "You stormed over like a demon whirlwind and told her to run along." L: "Well, what do you expect?" K: "More?" L: "I came in here and you didn't even acknowledge my presence. And then I had to stand there and watch you play pattyfingers with her." K: "Excuse me. Pattyfingers?" L: "Oh, never mind. The point is I was just so overcome by watching you be engrossed with each other that I guess I went a little crazy." K: "Well, I don't know whether to be flattered or frightened." L: "It doesn't matter. The point is, I just don't want you to be angry with me anymore. Are you?" K: "Oh, I suppose I could be persuaded not to be." L: "I'm willing to work at it long and hard." Kevin's expression indicates that he is VERY interested in exploring this further. Unfortunately, before he gets the chance, Luke arrives. He tells Lucy that he has good insurance against Damian, but that Damian still might try to get his revenge on her. Kevin is concerned to hear about Damian's threats; Luke leaves, and Lucy tries to convince him that there is no danger from Damian. Later on, Lucy approaches Felicia at the bar. Felicia is annoyed; Lucy blithely puts her own Lucy-spin on what happened between them, chalking it up to Felicia's hormones and assuring her "best girlfriend" that no apology is necessary. After several vain attempts, Felicia finally manages to offend Lucy, who stalks off angrily and rejoins Kevin. We see them sitting together a little while later. L: "I am so sorry about what happened the other night. I was mortified when Damian's name just came out of my mouth like that. I hope that we can put this silly lapsis linguae behind us." K: "What did you say?" L: (proudly) "I said 'lapsis linguae'. It means - " K: "'Slip of the tongue.' I know. Lucy, you never told me you were conversant in Latin." L: "I looked it up in a dictionary. You should have heard me this morning, just practicing it over and over and over again." (Kevin is surprised to hear this.) K: "All that trouble on my account?" L: "Uh huh. And I am willing to do more." K: "How much more?" L: "Lots, lots more." K: "Well, then point me in the right direction." L: "Okay. Do you want to come have dinner at my place tomorrow evening?" K: "It's a date." (Lucy beams at Kevin.) That's all for now. If Kevin had known what was going to happen the next night (the emergence of a violent allergy to mussels), he might have decided to stay home! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Eve Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:16:48 -0800 >>I LOVED Kevin and Eve flirting at the Grill on Monday right under Lucy and >>Rex's noses. :-) > >YES! Finally, Lucy getting a bit of her own back. No kidding. As much as I hate this game-playing, the one thing I hate even more is that, until this time, it's ALWAYS been Kevin who's had to sit back and just stay quiet while Lucy went out and did her thing. >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >S > >S >A >Y > >T >H >A >T > >Next week, Kevin and Eve are supposed to kiss. I assume this will be part >of the plan, and not something spontaneous, but I'm going to be really >curious to see it. I just hope Lucy sees it too. And I hope she eats her >heart out. Woo hoo! Amen to that! Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:29:50 -0800 At 08:39 PM 1/16/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >Much as I want the Rex/Lucy story to go away RIGHT NOW, there's one >development that I like, and that has been a long time in coming. I'm so >glad that Kevin and Scott have teamed up to do some investigating! I agree. And watching Scott annoy the hell out of that receptionist on Friday, while Kevin charmed her into cooperation was DELIGHTFUL. >kidnapping had just been a first step. They should give the two of them >more scenes together. I'm not, though, suggesting a best-friends link a la >Kevin and Mac I agree with that one, too. I do really love to the two of them together. But I like it better when they are needling each other to death. >(and, BTW, WHY hasn't Kevin visited his buddy over on GH; he >could join in the ranks of the confused when Faux Mac doesn't behave as >expected?). Nah, that'd be too L-O-G-I-C-A-L and N-A-T-U-R-A-L. After all, best friends don't actually hang out or anything, and gods know they wouldn't notice things like... oh, say, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" -- especially not when said best friend has found himself with an involentary role in that particular re-enactment himself on occasion. Pfft. Besides, think of the bonding experience this will be after Mac gets back! Now he knows what it felt like when Ryan impresonated Kevin. ;-) >Third, since their sleuthing has required Kevin to pose as Rex's >psychiatrist, he's had to dress the part. As you all know, that dark blue >suit - with Kevin in it, of course - is more than enough to make my day!!!!! That was the first thing I noticed. :-) "Ooooohhh, Rika is a happy lady today!" So was I. >The two of them gave me two genuine laughs on today's show, but I'm too >lazy to insert spoiler space. I'm sure someone will comment on them! Oh dear... which one... Even though Rex gives me the shivering fits, and I can almost NEVER watch his fantasies, I was ROTFL at the thought of Scott and Kevin being gladiators, hopping around like rabbits on hot coals, while Scott had an apple shishkabobbed on the end of his sword. :-) Then there was always the loony line. Scott: They must let the loonies out for the summer. Kevin: You know, I really wish you wouldn't use the term "loonies" -- at least as long as we're in a *mental hosptial.* Scott: Oh. Right. Sorry. >"Scotty magnetism, huh?" > -- Kevin, 1/16/98 LOL! That, too. Well, you know they say about 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you? :-) As long as they don't include Justus or Alexis in that. Especially now that Justus is going to be a mob lawyer...Justus is going to be a mob lawyer...Justus is going to be a mob lawyer...Justus is going to be a mob lawyer... Taiyin "You know, I really wish you wouldn't use the term "loonies" -- at least as long as we're in a *mental hosptial.*" -- Kevin to Scott - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 18 Jan 1998 13:59:58 -0600 Taiyin wrote: > > Oh dear... which one... Even though Rex gives me the shivering fits, and I > can almost NEVER watch his fantasies, I was ROTFL at the thought of Scott > and Kevin being gladiators, hopping around like rabbits on hot coals, while > Scott had an apple shishkabobbed on the end of his sword. :-) Really? I thought it was degrading for Kevin to be hopping around like that! Scott I didn't mind. But the whole thing for me was, Oh boy here we go again, Lucy and Rex get the big scene and Kevin is demoted to costumes again. Debi > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "Come Visit" --------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 19 Jan 1998 12:19:46 -0800 At 01:59 PM 1/18/98 -0600, Debi Sanders wrote: > >Really? I thought it was degrading for Kevin to be hopping around like >that! Scott I didn't mind. But the whole thing for me was, Oh boy here >we go again, Lucy and Rex get the big scene and Kevin is demoted to >costumes again. Yeah, but because it was such a deliberate farce it didn't bother me. It only annoys me when they try to do stuff like that with a straight face. When it's a blatant parody, I can appreciate it. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 18 Jan 1998 14:33:45 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Taiyin wrote: > Nah, that'd be too L-O-G-I-C-A-L and N-A-T-U-R-A-L. After all, best > friends don't actually hang out or anything, and gods know they wouldn't > notice things like... oh, say, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" -- > especially not when said best friend has found himself with an involentary > role in that particular re-enactment himself on occasion. Pfft. Well, that and the fact that within five minutes Kevin would have figured out the truth, therby ending in a few moments what the weriters have spent months in creating. As Jon describes Kevin in the current issue of SOD, he is the Cracker of daytime television. > Oh dear... which one... Even though Rex gives me the shivering fits, and I > can almost NEVER watch his fantasies, I was ROTFL at the thought of Scott > and Kevin being gladiators, hopping around like rabbits on hot coals, while > Scott had an apple shishkabobbed on the end of his sword. :-) This gave me something to laugh about continuosly as I drove from New Jersey to Houston this weekend. I did find it interesting that he compared what he views he and Lucy potentially having to that of Augustus and Livia. Livia destroyed every one, including Augustus, that stood in the way of her getting what she wanted. I hope this is foreshadowing on Latham's part. -Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 14:11:35 -0800 At 02:33 PM 1/18/98 -0600, AVID Woman wrote: > >Well, that and the fact that within five minutes Kevin would have figured >out the truth, therby ending in a few moments what the weriters have spent >months in creating. As Jon describes Kevin in the current issue of >SOD, he is the Cracker of daytime television. Aptly put. I'll have to make sure and grab that issue later today. >what he views he and Lucy potentially having to that of Augustus and >Livia. Livia destroyed every one, including Augustus, that stood in the >way of her getting what she wanted. I hope this is foreshadowing on >Latham's part. I sure hope so. Well, the buzz is that Rex is going to be history after this storyline, so we just have to wait a few more weeks. After all, February sweeps start in about two weeks. Let's hope they wrap this whole ting up with a bang. And then give Scott his OWN storyline and let Kevin and Lucy GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. In a storyline that does NOT include Scott being around ALL the time. Taiyin, ready for a K&L wedding now... any time... after all, it's almost the four year anniversary of their first meeting... how long are we SUPPOSED to wait... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:13:15 -0500 At 12:19 PM 1/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >At 01:59 PM 1/18/98 -0600, Debi Sanders wrote: >> >>Really? I thought it was degrading for Kevin to be hopping around like >>that! Scott I didn't mind. But the whole thing for me was, Oh boy here >>we go again, Lucy and Rex get the big scene and Kevin is demoted to >>costumes again. > >Yeah, but because it was such a deliberate farce it didn't bother me. It >only annoys me when they try to do stuff like that with a straight face. >When it's a blatant parody, I can appreciate it. Exactly. After all, it was Rex's fantasy. How else *would* Kevin and Scott behave? Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:32:37 -0500 At 02:11 PM 1/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >Well, the buzz is that Rex is going to be history after this storyline, so >we just have to wait a few more weeks. Oh, PLEASE, yes! I just watched Monday's show, in which: O B L I G A T O R Y S P O I L E R S P A C E Lucy informed Kevin that she intends to accept Rex's proposal. My heart broke for poor, beleaguered Kevin, and I wanted to toss Scott off the hospital roof when he got in the middle of the argument, taking Lucy's side. Kevin positively BELLOWED at him to butt out, and I cheered. >After all, February sweeps start in about two weeks. Let's hope they wrap >this whole ting up with a bang. And then give Scott his OWN storyline and >let Kevin and Lucy GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. In a storyline that does NOT >include Scott being around ALL the time. YES! Like Kevin's reinstatement at GH, the infertility issues, not to mention...... >Taiyin, ready for a K&L wedding now... any time... after all, it's almost >the four year anniversary of their first meeting... how long are we >SUPPOSED to wait... One time, I made a list of all the people on GH who started seeing each other after Kevin and Lucy met, and who have already gotten married. The list includes: Ned and Lois Ned and Katherine (although it wasn't a legal marriage) Sonny and Lily Brenda and Jax - almost Brenda and Sonny - almost Bobbie and Stefan Carly and Tony - almost The interesting thing to note is that not ONE of those couples is still married, for a variety of reasons. Maybe the long wind-up to the wedding will give Kevin and Lucy more staying power as husband and wife. There had better be SOME reason why they've made us wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and ........ And there had better NOT be any sort of Rex/Lucy wedding, or it's gonna get ugly around here!!!! Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:35:48 -0800 At 01:13 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >Exactly. After all, it was Rex's fantasy. How else *would* Kevin and >Scott behave? Right. The whole thing was so over the top that I couldn't h*lp but be amused -- even if it was Rex's fantasy. I mean, please, *Eve* as the High Priestess of Vestal Virgins? Bwahahahaha! Not only that, but Scott and those apples. I swear, I'm dying to know what that's about. Cagey swears it's got to be an ongoing inside joke and I'm sure it is, but I WANT to know. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:46:07 -0800 At 01:32 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >O >B >L >I >G >A >T >O >R >Y > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > >Lucy informed Kevin that she intends to accept Rex's proposal. My heart >broke for poor, beleaguered Kevin, Oh man, I hate this whole thing. >and I wanted to toss Scott off the >hospital roof when he got in the middle of the argument, taking Lucy's >side. Argh. Someone needs to stuff one of those damn apples in his mouth and just roast him over an open flame. He has got to be a bigger buttinsky than Edward Busibody Quartermaine. Sheesh! >Kevin positively BELLOWED at him to butt out, and I cheered. Yay, Doc! >YES! Like Kevin's reinstatement at GH, the infertility issues, not to >mention...... Pretty, pretty please -- I REALLY want him to go back to work. And they better to be sure to include lots and lots of new blue suits. Just for Rika, of course. Really. 0:-) >One time, I made a list of all the people on GH who started seeing each >other after Kevin and Lucy met, and who have already gotten married. The >list includes: I did that once, too. >Ned and Lois >Ned and Katherine (although it wasn't a legal marriage) No, but it got more air time than K&L ever did. >Sonny and Lily So did they. >Brenda and Jax - almost >Brenda and Sonny - almost And that whole storyline got more airtime in ONE YEAR than Kevin and Lucy have had in nearly four. >Bobbie and Stefan >Carly and Tony - almost >The interesting thing to note is that not ONE of those couples is still >married, for a variety of reasons. Maybe the long wind-up to the wedding >will give Kevin and Lucy more staying power as husband and wife. I think, in a lot of ways, it probably does mean that (inadvertantly). However, they actually have to HAVE a wedding before we can test that theory. At this rate Serena will be married first. >There had >better be SOME reason why they've made us wait and wait and wait and wait >and wait and wait and ........ By this point I just want a location shoot for their wedding, damnit. >And there had better NOT be any sort of Rex/Lucy wedding, or it's gonna get >ugly around here!!!! Oh, if they even come CLOSE I'll lead the raid on Wendy's office. Bleah. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 19 Jan 1998 14:52:13 -0500 At 10:35 AM 1/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >Not only that, but Scott and those apples. I swear, I'm dying to know what >that's about. Cagey swears it's got to be an ongoing inside joke and I'm >sure it is, but I WANT to know. I've been meaning to ask about that for ages. At first I thought maybe it was something Scott had done before, when he was on GH, and I just didn't remember. The apple on the sword was classic. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 15:04:24 -0500 At 10:46 AM 1/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >At 01:32 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >Pretty, pretty please -- I REALLY want him to go back to work. And they >better to be sure to include lots and lots of new blue suits. Just for >Rika, of course. Really. 0:-) You are a kind and generous woman. :-) >>The interesting thing to note is that not ONE of those couples is still >>married, for a variety of reasons. Maybe the long wind-up to the wedding >>will give Kevin and Lucy more staying power as husband and wife. > >I think, in a lot of ways, it probably does mean that (inadvertantly). >However, they actually have to HAVE a wedding before we can test that >theory. At this rate Serena will be married first. I wouldn't rule it out.... >>There had >>better be SOME reason why they've made us wait and wait and wait and wait >>and wait and wait and ........ > >By this point I just want a location shoot for their wedding, damnit. How about for the honeymoon instead? So, where should they go? >>And there had better NOT be any sort of Rex/Lucy wedding, or it's gonna get >>ugly around here!!!! > >Oh, if they even come CLOSE I'll lead the raid on Wendy's office. Bleah. And the thing is, you know they might. Lucy can say what she wants - Rex has her right where he wants her. How is she going to stay out of his bed, and how is she going to put off the wedding? Or will she get mad at Kevin and do something unspeakable out of anger? No, forget I brought that up..... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott] Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:14:20 -0800 At 02:52 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >I've been meaning to ask about that for ages. At first I thought maybe it >was something Scott had done before, when he was on GH, and I just didn't >remember. The apple on the sword was classic. That is THE question that I HAVE to ask when I finally go on that set tour. I'm dying to know what that's all about. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:26:47 -0800 Rika wrote: > >You are a kind and generous woman. :-) I try. >>By this point I just want a location shoot for their wedding, damnit. > >How about for the honeymoon instead? So, where should they go? Oh hell, we've waited so long, we deserve BOTH. Pfft. As for where... didn't we do this before? I dunno... lemme think... I'm kinda partial to San Francisco, myself. Realistically, though, the wedding doesn't have to be in any grand location, I'd just like an outdoors, summer wedding -- like Robert and Anna's. Very picturesque (minus the mute, gun-toting Domenique ;-)). As for their honeymoon... anyplace with lots of white sandy beaches, fabulous sunsets, hamocks and, just for Our Lady Luce, drinks with lots and lots of umbrellas in them. :-) >And the thing is, you know they might. Lucy can say what she wants - Rex >has her right where he wants her. How is she going to stay out of his bed, >and how is she going to put off the wedding? Or will she get mad at Kevin >and do something unspeakable out of anger? Thank you, Rika dahling. I now need therapy. YUCK! >No, forget I brought that up..... I would if I could scrub the image out of my brain. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 17:55:27 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Rika wrote: > O > B > L > I > G > A > T > O > R > Y > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Lucy informed Kevin that she intends to accept Rex's proposal. My heart > broke for poor, beleaguered Kevin, and I wanted to toss Scott off the > hospital roof when he got in the middle of the argument, taking Lucy's > side. Kevin positively BELLOWED at him to butt out, and I cheered. I also enjoyed the conversation Lucy and Eve had beforehand as well. Her bit about it being a long way down from the roof had me in stitches. And amen to tossing Scott off the roof. We all know that if the situation was reverse Scott would never have let Dominique get involved in this whole farce to begin with let alone potentially marry Rex. After tearing into Rex I think Kevin just needs to be left alone in a room with Scott and take care of any all aggression. > > And there had better NOT be any sort of Rex/Lucy wedding, or it's gonna get > ugly around here!!!! If it even gets close to that I'm really rooting for Kevin to either royally disrupt the wedding or spirit her away beforehand for a secret wedding. I do know that apparently in the first week of February Rex and Lucy are gonna have an engagement party with Tony and Amy among the guests. -Nicole "Rex asked me to marry him." "I'll rip his lungs out" -Lucy and Kevin, 1/19.98 PC - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:14:03 -0800 At 05:55 PM 1/19/98 -0600, AVID Woman wrote: > > > >> O >> B >> L >> I >> G >> A >> T >> O >> R >> Y >> >> S >> P >> O >> I >> L >> E >> R >> >> S >> P >> A >> C >> E >> >I do know that apparently in the first week of February Rex and >Lucy are gonna have an engagement party with Tony and Amy among the >guests. Eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!! Yuck! I hope this storyline is history by the end of sweeps. Ick. >"Rex asked me to marry him." >"I'll rip his lungs out" > -Lucy and Kevin, 1/19.98 PC Woo hoo! Why don't you perform some of that emergency lung extraction on Snotty while you're at it, Doc? Bugger. And you know, I think the thing that annoys me most about all this is that Lynn Latham does *such* a good job with Kevin and Lucy when it's *just them.* But this storyline just leaves a GREAT deal to be desired. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NovaLee Murphy" Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:52:07 PST Rika wrote: >At 02:11 PM 1/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: > >>Well, the buzz is that Rex is going to be history after this storyline, so we just have to wait a few more weeks. >Oh, PLEASE, yes! I just watched Monday's show, in which: > >O >B >L >I >G >A >T >O >R >Y > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > >Lucy informed Kevin that she intends to accept Rex's proposal. My >heart broke for poor, beleaguered Kevin, and I wanted to toss Scott >off the hospital roof when he got in the middle of the argument, >taking Lucy's side. Kevin positively BELLOWED at him to butt out, >and I cheered. I was ticked to see Scott at the meeting, period, because I knew it would inevitably turn into a 2-against-1 with Kevin coming out on the losing end. Besides, as I recall, Lucy requested to meet Kevin NOT Scott, but there he was anyway. And tossing Scott off the roof seemed like a great idea to me too but not before banging his and Lucy's heads together for thinking this plan is anything other than disastrous. (Which is what my normally demure mother used to threaten to do to my brother and I when we fought and/or were impossible to reason with). Actually I'm more angry at Lucy than Scott at this point. It appears she's actually considering marrying Rex if necessary. Her worst-case scenario- Rex ends up with both of them for awhile and she gets to stepmother Serena, presumably as Rex's wife- "isn't so bad" ?!?!? And she might "get a nice ring out of it" ?!?!? Whoa. I'm still in shock. She accuses Kevin of trying to control her- since when is being terrified for someone you love and trying to prevent them from putting themselves into danger, controlling behavior? Rex is responsible for kidnapping Serena, drugging and framing Scott, and possibly committing several murders (including a family member) to cover his tracks. Lucy knows ALL this. Much as I don't want to see Lucy hurt in any way, I really hope she learns her lesson this time. And Kevin better stick to his guns on this one. >>After all, February sweeps start in about two weeks. Let's hope >>they wrap this whole ting up with a bang. And then give Scott his >>OWN storyline and let Kevin and Lucy GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. In a >>storyline that does NOT include Scott being around ALL the time. > >YES! Like Kevin's reinstatement at GH, the infertility issues, not >to mention...... Please. Please. Pretty please. And if it isn't too much to ask, a wedding. NovaLee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:45:51 -0500 At 05:55 PM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Nicole wrote: >"Rex asked me to marry him." >"I'll rip his lungs out" > -Lucy and Kevin, 1/19.98 PC It occurred to me that the last person whose lungs Kevin threatened (i.e., Damian Smith) is dead. Maybe this is a good sign! Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 23:10:45 -0500 At 04:52 PM 1/19/98 PST, NovaLee wrote: >Actually I'm more angry at Lucy than Scott at this point. It appears >she's actually considering marrying Rex if necessary. Her worst-case >scenario- Rex ends up with both of them for awhile and she gets to >stepmother Serena, presumably as Rex's wife- "isn't so bad" ?!?!? Yeah. I'm sure Kevin wouldn't be bothered by that. Right. Good grief. She was a total idiot to mention that possibility. And >she might "get a nice ring out of it" ?!?!? That bothered me as much as anything. What a disgusting, insensitive thing to say at a time like that. I know she was trying to make a joke but, sorry, it was not the least bit funny. Does she not understand at all how hard this is going to be for Kevin? In combination with, "Just because I get engaged to someone doesn't mean I have to marry them," that was what made me want to pitch her off the roof. >Whoa. I'm still in shock. >She accuses Kevin of trying to control her- since when is being >terrified for someone you love and trying to prevent them from putting >themselves into danger, controlling behavior? Rex is responsible for >kidnapping Serena, drugging and framing Scott, and possibly committing >several murders (including a family member) to cover his tracks. Lucy >knows ALL this. Much as I don't want to see Lucy hurt in any way, I >really hope she learns her lesson this time. And Kevin better stick to >his guns on this one. It's Joe Scully all over again. Lucy almost got killed that time, as a consequence of not listening to Kevin. But instead of seeing that as proof that Kevin's more cautious approach is the right thing, I think she saw her survival as proof that she is indestructible. I couldn't believe she trotted out that "you're trying to control me" crap; I really thought their relationship evolved past that sort of thing. I sure hope Lynn and Wayne are having a wonderful time doing this, because to my mind it's doing some pretty significant damage to Lucy. If she were doing all the same things, but having a lot less fun, it would be entirely different. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:36:18 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Rika wrote: > >she might "get a nice ring out of it" ?!?!? > > That bothered me as much as anything. What a disgusting, insensitive thing > to say at a time like that. I know she was trying to make a joke but, > sorry, it was not the least bit funny. Does she not understand at all how > hard this is going to be for Kevin? In combination with, "Just because I > get engaged to someone doesn't mean I have to marry them," that was what > made me want to pitch her off the roof. That drove me insane. Lucy pretty much said just about everything that could be said to just drive a dagger in Kevin's heart. I think if she had made some comment about Rex at least being a psycho who can stalk and cover his tracks that just would've completed the bill. At this rate I think Kevin should just pitch Scott, Rex, and Lucy off the roof and spend some time with Eve. Granted I should burn in effigy for that comment, but Eve is the only seemingly sane and sensible person in this entire plan, outside of Kevin. She's the only one that seems to remember she was 'hired' to act as a go between and general alarm system is something happens to one of them. And she's also the only one reasonable enough to realize things are going down the tubes really fast. Lucy's gonna get burned big time, but the question is will Kevin be there to pull her butt out of the fire? Or will she have really driven him away? -Nicole "I promise to stay away from trouble even it if comes to my door, begging and pathetic and whining. I'll say, 'go away, trouble.' I will be good." -Lucy, GH the day after the Scully kidnapping - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NovaLee Murphy" Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Scott Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:46:08 PST I wrote: >> And she might "get a nice ring out of it" ?!?!? And Rika replied: >That bothered me as much as anything. What a disgusting, insensitive >thing to say at a time like that. I know she was trying to make a >joke but,sorry, it was not the least bit funny. Does she not >understand at all how hard this is going to be for Kevin? In >combination with, "Just because I get engaged to someone doesn't mean >I have to marry them," that was what made me want to pitch her off >the roof. I knew I'd left something out. Poor Kevin: "That's really wonderful, I'm completely reassured now." >It's Joe Scully all over again. Lucy almost got killed that time, as >a consequence of not listening to Kevin. But instead of seeing that >as proof that Kevin's more cautious approach is the right thing, I >think she saw her survival as proof that she is indestructible. That's exactly it, and the reason why I fear Lucy will never learn her lesson. Lucy's behavior, dopey as it was during the MDP of '95, was a little more understandable at the time considering where she was at in terms of her own personal evolution and her relationship with Kevin. But now, almost three years later, with all the strides she has made and everything she and Kevin have been through I find it very difficult to believe there is apparently nothing she isn't willing to risk for this ridiculous plan: her integrity, her reputation, her friendships, her relationship with Kevin, her life. I just don't buy it. >I couldn't believe she trotted out that "you're trying to control me" >crap; I really thought their relationship evolved past that sort of >thing. Me too. These were very real issues for them three years ago but her accusations this time are completely unjustified, not to mention nonsensical. >I sure hope Lynn and Wayne are having a wonderful time doing this, >because to my mind it's doing some pretty significant damage to Lucy. >If she were doing all the same things, but having a lot less fun, it >would be entirely different. I was thinking/wondering the same thing. I imagine everyone on the set is having a blast and maybe that's part of the reason this thing has been dragged out waaaaay too long. I'm glad someone is having fun. Lucy is definitely the loser here. My sympathies are entirely with Kevin. And whether any or all of the things we fear happen or not is a moot point. Today we saw that Lucy is pretty much game for any of them. NovaLee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike and Kathi Mardis Subject: K&L: Sender: owner-kevin-and-lucy@lists.xmission.com Date: 20 Jan 1998 01:08:50 -0500 Hello K and L list-ers! Just wanted you to know that although I have been (mostly) silent, I have been intrigued, entertained and in agreement with the messages I have been reading from you. Am very frustrated at the current happenings on PC - wish the POD-persons who are substituting for Kevin and Lucy would go back to whatever planet they came from and OUR K and L would return. (I refuse to believe that the *real* Kevin would not have out-thought Rex by now, and that the *real* Lucy would ... well, the list goes on and on). Anyway, just wanted to let you know I appreciate all your writings and wit. Thanks. Kathi Mike and Kathi _______________________________ \ \ _ ______ | \ Mike and Kathi Mardis \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| > Mardis@Mindspring.COM >------\ / | / ) / www.mindspring.com/~mardis / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| /______________________________/ * \ | | (o) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: SPOILERS -- Upcoming events Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:00:41 -0800 I guess this is what Julie (I think) was saying a day or two ago. YUCK! Disgusting. I'm off until Friday. I'm going down to LA to see The High Lonesome and then go to the GH event at the Museum of Television and Radio with Wendy, Guza, Geary, Maule, Zeman and a bunch of other people on Thursday. Full report when I get back! Taiyin ****** S P O I L E R S P A C E Times New RomanBRAD MAULE and SHELL KEPLER (Tony Jones and Amy Vining) will make guest appearances on Port Charles. The characters help Lucy (Lynn Herring) celebrate her engagement to Rex (Wayne Northrop). Look for Maule and Kepler on February 3. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: GH/PC: The Museum of Television and Radio (Some small spoilers) Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:10:53 -0800 I posted the entire version of this to the GH/PC list. I'm reposting the K&L bits here -- if you want the whole thing and are not on the GH/PC list, please email me at taiyin@ap.net and I'll send you a copy. There are some small spoilers towards the bottom, though -- consider yourself warned (and there is built in space since I'll do the non-spoiler stuff first). OK, last night... let me first just say MAJOR thanks to Anne. Because my trip down there was last minute, I couldn't actually get a ticket because the event was, natch, sold out. She had an extra and donated it to my patheticness, and I am very grateful. The entire panel was: Wendy Riche, Joe, Bob Guza, Shelley Curtis, Michelle Val Jean, Brad Maule and Jackie Zeman. One of my favorite parts of the panel was something Michelle Val Jean said. There was a quesiton about how a whole team of writers always manages (for the most part) to write every character and have them "sound" the same as every other writer manages to do. Brad also commented that that always seems almost magical to him and it impresses the hell out of him. Michelle's comment sounded like Jill or Cagey or I discussing fanfic: she said that it works because the writers have the characters living in their heads and telling them what to write. The writers only do what they are told. Michelle says she is often awaken from dreams by the characters blathering at her. She said, writing on GH means that she has "30 characters living in her head." To which Brad Maule's response was: "I was sleeping with my step-daughter in your head?" By far, though, the coolest part was talking to Michelle Val Jean. I went back inside after the panel was over to talk to Bob. I wanted to talk to Michelle, but I thought she had already left. As I was waiting there, she started to walk past me. I stopped her and the conversation was basically as follows: Taiyin: "I run a Kevin and Lucy mailing list on the internet --" Michelle: (puts her hand over her heart and sighs) "Oh, my couple!" Taiyin: "Mine, too. I just wanted to let you know that back when you were on PC, h*lping with the transition to the new writing team, we were all DELIGHTED to have you writing for Kevin & Lucy again." Michelle: (very, very surprised) "Really?" Taiyin: "Absolutely! As much as I love the fact that, after three and a half years of being neglected on GH --" Woman behind me: "Kevin & Lucy were neglected on GH?" Different woman behind me: "Yeah, pretty badly." Taiyin: "-- I am definitely happy that they are actually getting some *screen time* on PC now. But for a long time there, they just weren't quite right. And the *day* you started writing for them again, we ALL noticed. Suddenly they were funny and intellegent and sexy and witty again -- just like they should always be. And we knew it was you, so I just wanted to let you know that we all miss your influence and loved that you got the chance to write for them for just a little bit. The list was blissful over it." Michelle: (delighted, touched and very, very amazed) "I can't believe you guys knew it was me. That is so great. It ripped a huge hole out of my heart when they moved them over to PC. I miss them so much." Anyway, so she was *so* touched and surprised that we not only noticed, but that we knew it was her influence that made them so much better. That was very, very cool. When I was talking to Guza, he mentioned that things like the Nurses Ball are the types of things that are extremely important to him to get right, but that logistically they are such a nightmare that he can't always do things the way he'd like. That made me kind of nervous, until he reassured us that the NB this year WILL take place on both shows and that Lucy WILL be emceeing it again -- he said, "And we'll throw something with Katherine in, because that's always fun." There was a chorus of "I *love* the Nurses' Balls" and he said that he wanted this year's to be the best yet (to which my mental reaciton was "Ha! Fat chance! But I'd LOVE to see you try..."). I commented that I've almost worn out my copy of the 1995 Nurses' Ball -- because, IMO, that one was the best ever. He's shooting to beat it and I'm interested in seeing what he comes up with. The subject of crossovers came up and I made a wisecrack about desperately needing some Mac and Kevin about now -- "after all, who would understand better than Kevin about Mac's 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' little problem at the moment." Guza said that getting Kevin involved in that was something that he REALLY wanted to do, but that he didn't know if he was going to be able to make it work. He also said that he had WANTED for Kevin to be Brenda's therapist, but that logistically it just didn't work out because Kevin was too busy on PC. One of the other women asked him if he missed having K&L there and he said yes, that their absence left a "big hole int he canvas." At that point my promise to be good and totally silent was shot and I felt the overwhelming need to say, "Well, I certainly miss a lot of that interaction -- especially Lucy and Luke -- but Kevin and Lucy met on February 17, 1994, and it should probably alarm you that I know that off the top of my head , and yet they've had more airtime in the past six months on PC than they had on the entire previous three and a half years on GH. If being seperated from some of their friends is the price I have to pay for them to actually get their own storyline, then it's worth it." And then I added, "Now, if they could just get Scott his OWN storyline and get him out of the middle of Kevin & Lucy's lives, then things would be good." One of the other women popped up wtih, "I love Scott!" And I said, "So do I. And I'd love him even more if he would stop getting in the middle of Kevin & Lucy's relationship." I refrained from commenting on how vile I thought Monday was and how desperately I am awaiting the end of this whole Rex thing -- because Bob is not the person who can do anything about any of it. That was part of what I would have liked to say to Wendy, but didn't get the chance. He did, however, comment that they are still going to have to "deal with" Scott and Lucy's past relationship -- "because it's just too good to pass up." And, of course, I felt the need to say, "Good, as long as they don't do anymore of those 'meaningful looks.' Those gave me the shivering fits." I got the distinct impression that, of the fans he comes into contact with most, Kevin & Lucy fanatics are not the highest majority. Shocker there. Tragic -- no one ever thought they'd have much of a following, so they never gave them any air time. And because they never gave them any air time, they didn't generate nearly the following that the more (over-)exposed couples got. I'm sure there are a few other details that I'm missing, but that was basically the gist of it. All in all, it was a lot of fun. I wish I hadn't gotten lost on my way to Beverly Hills, so I could have seen more of the actual exhibit. As it was, the only thing I really saw was the collection of wedding dresses in the lobby. There were a lot there -- including Lois'. Anne said they were showing old eps upstairs. She said she got to see Luke's wedding to Jennifer Smith -- when Scotty beat him up and shoved him over the side of the yacht. Wish I would have seen that. Taiyin "I think people who have their sh*t together all the time are just full of it." -- Brad Maule - "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: The Museum of Television and Radio (Some small spoilers) Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:11:07 -0800 I posted the entire version of this to the GH/PC list. I'm reposting the K&L bits here -- if you want the whole thing and are not on the GH/PC list, please email me at taiyin@ap.net and I'll send you a copy. There are some small spoilers towards the bottom, though -- consider yourself warned (and there is built in space since I'll do the non-spoiler stuff first). OK, last night... let me first just say MAJOR thanks to Anne. Because my trip down there was last minute, I couldn't actually get a ticket because the event was, natch, sold out. She had an extra and donated it to my patheticness, and I am very grateful. The entire panel was: Wendy Riche, Joe, Bob Guza, Shelley Curtis, Michelle Val Jean, Brad Maule and Jackie Zeman. One of my favorite parts of the panel was something Michelle Val Jean said. There was a quesiton about how a whole team of writers always manages (for the most part) to write every character and have them "sound" the same as every other writer manages to do. Brad also commented that that always seems almost magical to him and it impresses the hell out of him. Michelle's comment sounded like Jill or Cagey or I discussing fanfic: she said that it works because the writers have the characters living in their heads and telling them what to write. The writers only do what they are told. Michelle says she is often awaken from dreams by the characters blathering at her. She said, writing on GH means that she has "30 characters living in her head." To which Brad Maule's response was: "I was sleeping with my step-daughter in your head?" By far, though, the coolest part was talking to Michelle Val Jean. I went back inside after the panel was over to talk to Bob. I wanted to talk to Michelle, but I thought she had already left. As I was waiting there, she started to walk past me. I stopped her and the conversation was basically as follows: Taiyin: "I run a Kevin and Lucy mailing list on the internet --" Michelle: (puts her hand over her heart and sighs) "Oh, my couple!" Taiyin: "Mine, too. I just wanted to let you know that back when you were on PC, h*lping with the transition to the new writing team, we were all DELIGHTED to have you writing for Kevin & Lucy again." Michelle: (very, very surprised) "Really?" Taiyin: "Absolutely! As much as I love the fact that, after three and a half years of being neglected on GH --" Woman behind me: "Kevin & Lucy were neglected on GH?" Different woman behind me: "Yeah, pretty badly." Taiyin: "-- I am definitely happy that they are actually getting some *screen time* on PC now. But for a long time there, they just weren't quite right. And the *day* you started writing for them again, we ALL noticed. Suddenly they were funny and intellegent and sexy and witty again -- just like they should always be. And we knew it was you, so I just wanted to let you know that we all miss your influence and loved that you got the chance to write for them for just a little bit. The list was blissful over it." Michelle: (delighted, touched and very, very amazed) "I can't believe you guys knew it was me. That is so great. It ripped a huge hole out of my heart when they moved them over to PC. I miss them so much." Anyway, so she was *so* touched and surprised that we not only noticed, but that we knew it was her influence that made them so much better. That was very, very cool. When I was talking to Guza, he mentioned that things like the Nurses Ball are the types of things that are extremely important to him to get right, but that logistically they are such a nightmare that he can't always do things the way he'd like. That made me kind of nervous, until he reassured us that the NB this year WILL take place on both shows and that Lucy WILL be emceeing it again -- he said, "And we'll throw something with Katherine in, because that's always fun." There was a chorus of "I *love* the Nurses' Balls" and he said that he wanted this year's to be the best yet (to which my mental reaciton was "Ha! Fat chance! But I'd LOVE to see you try..."). I commented that I've almost worn out my copy of the 1995 Nurses' Ball -- because, IMO, that one was the best ever. He's shooting to beat it and I'm interested in seeing what he comes up with. The subject of crossovers came up and I made a wisecrack about desperately needing some Mac and Kevin about now -- "after all, who would understand better than Kevin about Mac's 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' little problem at the moment." Guza said that getting Kevin involved in that was something that he REALLY wanted to do, but that he didn't know if he was going to be able to make it work. He also said that he had WANTED for Kevin to be Brenda's therapist, but that logistically it just didn't work out because Kevin was too busy on PC. One of the other women asked him if he missed having K&L there and he said yes, that their absence left a "big hole int he canvas." At that point my promise to be good and totally silent was shot and I felt the overwhelming need to say, "Well, I certainly miss a lot of that interaction -- especially Lucy and Luke -- but Kevin and Lucy met on February 17, 1994, and it should probably alarm you that I know that off the top of my head , and yet they've had more airtime in the past six months on PC than they had on the entire previous three and a half years on GH. If being seperated from some of their friends is the price I have to pay for them to actually get their own storyline, then it's worth it." And then I added, "Now, if they could just get Scott his OWN storyline and get him out of the middle of Kevin & Lucy's lives, then things would be good." One of the other women popped up wtih, "I love Scott!" And I said, "So do I. And I'd love him even more if he would stop getting in the middle of Kevin & Lucy's relationship." I refrained from commenting on how vile I thought Monday was and how desperately I am awaiting the end of this whole Rex thing -- because Bob is not the person who can do anything about any of it. That was part of what I would have liked to say to Wendy, but didn't get the chance. He did, however, comment that they are still going to have to "deal with" Scott and Lucy's past relationship -- "because it's just too good to pass up." And, of course, I felt the need to say, "Good, as long as they don't do anymore of those 'meaningful looks.' Those gave me the shivering fits." I got the distinct impression that, of the fans he comes into contact with most, Kevin & Lucy fanatics are not the highest majority. Shocker there. Tragic -- no one ever thought they'd have much of a following, so they never gave them any air time. And because they never gave them any air time, they didn't generate nearly the following that the more (over-)exposed couples got. I'm sure there are a few other details that I'm missing, but that was basically the gist of it. All in all, it was a lot of fun. I wish I hadn't gotten lost on my way to Beverly Hills, so I could have seen more of the actual exhibit. As it was, the only thing I really saw was the collection of wedding dresses in the lobby. There were a lot there -- including Lois'. Anne said they were showing old eps upstairs. She said she got to see Luke's wedding to Jennifer Smith -- when Scotty beat him up and shoved him over the side of the yacht. Wish I would have seen that. Taiyin "I think people who have their sh*t together all the time are just full of it." -- Brad Maule - "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: GH/PC: The Museum of Television and Radio (Some small Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:23:57 -0500 At 11:10 AM 1/23/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >I posted the entire version of this to the GH/PC list. I'm reposting the >K&L bits here -- if you want the whole thing and are not on the GH/PC list, >please email me at taiyin@ap.net and I'll send you a copy. Subject: Re: K&L: Recaps Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:37:58 -0800 Man, I'm just having a hard time sending things to the correct list this morning. Sheesh. It must be all that sleep deprivation. Let's try this again... On the GH/PC list, Julie wrote: > >just out of curiosity, what was lucy THINKING yelling at kevin for >kissing eve? exCUSE me, but who's the one who's ENGAGED TO REX??? Oh man. This makes me crazy. I HATE the kind of damage that they are inflicting on Lucy as a character with all of this. I may actually even hate that more than the damage they are inflicting on her relationship with Kevin. Not much, but a little. >as if it's not bad enough >they had lucy chat with scott about how well the two of them understand >each other, vs. how well lucy and KEVIN do. yuck. They WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? Oh. My. God. That is dispicable. I can't believe that. Positively vile. I don't know if I can watch that without damaging my TV and/or my hand. >i can't wait to hear >taiyin's comments on that scene, 'cause i don't think she's gonna be >very happy! You ain't kiddin'! I can understand the necessity of having to make reference to Lucy and Scott's relationship -- at least to some degree (though, the degree to which Guza implied this was going to be done bothers me quite a bit), but there is no need to REVISIT the relationship. Are they just plain old forgetting that while, yes, Scott and Lucy *did* love each other, they NEVER had anything REMOTELY close to a successful relationship? And that the biggest part of that problem was that their mutual scheming made them TOTALLY incapable of trusting each other. And after ALL the time and energy and work that went into Kevin & Lucy, the fact that they are just trashing so much of them, in so short a time is really revolting. I don't want Lucy to be a saint. She *is* fun when she is getting into trouble. But they don't have to have her backslide into oblivion to do it. Damn. I really hate this. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 23 Jan 1998 15:03:27 -0500 Well, nobody else has commented on this (though I think maybe the listserv was having problems for a while - I had one of my messages bounce back to me), so I will. How did everybody feel about the Kevin/Eve kiss and the fight that followed it on Thursday? It seems funny to say about a big Kevin/Lucy fight, but I loved it, overall. First off, it was such a pleasure to see Lucy getting first-hand experience of what this has been like for Kevin. I was disappointed that it seemed hard for her to see the parallels between their situations, but that's Lucy for you, I suppose. The stricken look on her face when Kevin kissed Eve..... YES! Second, Kevin and Eve's flirtation on Wednesday was a lot of fun. Even Scott had jealous twinges when he heard they were going out together, which was enjoyable. And Kevin flirted with (and kissed) Eve exactly the way I figured he would - with his eyes on Lucy almost every second. Third, the fight. I wanted to penalize Lucy 15 yards for major delusions when she claimed she wasn't having any fun with Rex, but I'm just glad she finally has gotten a wake-up call. Perhaps she'll stop taking Kevin for granted. (More on this below). Fourth, I've always enjoyed the way Kevin and Lucy fight. That may sound strange, but their fights bring out great passion and energy in both of them. I wouldn't want them to fight constantly, but right now they have some issues to deal with so it makes sense. Fifth, as much as I'm sick of scenes with Rexie and his little lamb chop, this situation is touching on what is probably the single biggest unresolved issue between Kevin and Lucy. I disagree with Lucy - I don't think Kevin is trying to control her. I think he's simply trying to have some small measure of control over his *own* life. Lucy may not realize the extent to which her actions affect him. So, in this case, Lucy is careening down the road, out of control (as far as Kevin can see), and since his happiness depends so profoundly on hers, that puts him in the car with her. But since he is the passenger and she's the driver, he's powerless to prevent the wreck he knows is going to happen. As long as Lucy doesn't learn this lesson, this "control issue" is going to continue to arise between them. They never worked this out during the Joe Scully or Madame Maia stories. In the former case, they attached different interpretations to the outcome: Kevin considered that his fears were justified by Lucy's near-death, but Lucy's involvement in the plan was justified (in her mind) by the fact that it accomplished its goal and all the "good guys" lived to tell the tale. In the Madame Maia case, the fact that Kevin was largely right about Maia's motives was lost in the emotional wreckage from the things he did to prove he was right. The only lesson learned there was on his part - he had to accept Lucy as she was if he wanted to stay with her. But the problem with that solution is that it's hard to stick to when you're being driven towards a brick wall at 90 mph. My one disappointment with Thursday's show was that it didn't end with a late-night scene in which Lucy returned to the Lighthouse and she and Kevin made up. It's not like them to let something like this hang between them for any length of time. However, as a result of that, today's Rex/Lucy scenes had an element we've never seen before: S P O I L E R S P A C E Lucy was positively *miserable* today in her scenes with Rex. He pushed her into trying on wedding gowns. That part, I hated - watching her try on gowns for Rex was loathsome - but it was saved by the fact that she hated it too. She smiled at her reflection in the mirror in one of the dresses, but I think she can be forgiven since: (a) they were Paris designer gowns, and (b) if I looked like her, I'd have a tough time not smiling at my reflection in the mirror. :) Outside of that one moment, though, she looked uncomfortable and unhappy and awkward and distracted. I think she's starting to get scared that she won't be able to handle Rex after all (he is pushing for a February wedding). But in addition to that, I think the situation with Kevin has taken all the fun out of her game-playing with Rex in a heck of a hurry. I hope it stays that way. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: GH/PC: The Museum of Television and Radio (Some small Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:57:51 -0800 At 02:23 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >I just wanted to say that I think you did a WONDERFUL job of putting >forward out point of view! Thank you. As much as I wanted to say things like, "Is another round of Jax and Brenda REALLY necessary?" and "What do I have to do to get you to end this Stefan and Katherine travesty?" and "Have you guys considered hiring an acting coach for Litte Miss Sarah Webber?" and "SCOTT IS A DUMB JACKASS WHO NEEDS TO BE MUZZLED BEFORE HE STICKS HIS BIG FAT NOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER FIGHT BETWEEN K&L!!!" and "Can you please tell Lynne that I think she writes K&L very well, but that the current storyline SUCKS and they are totally trashing everything that is wonderful about Lucy as well as Kevin & Lucy" I thought restraint was a tad more important. And in the end, I'm glad I did because at least that way I was *heard.* Not that it really matters in the long run -- they'll do what they want to do. But it made me feel better. I'm not sure anyone ever pointed out to Bob Guza that Kevin and Lucy were "neglected" when they were on GH; he really seems to consider them supporting players and I was very strident about pointing out that they most certainly should NOT be relegated to backburner -- ESPECIALLY not as window dressing for Brenda and Jax. And as much as I wanted to blow my stacks about some other things, that one was more important to me. >And I'm so glad you told Michelle Val Jean that >we recognized her work back in September. That was just my absolute favorite part. She just couldn't believe that we noticed a difference (I got the impression that she hadn't been watching them on PC, so she didn't really know that things weren't quite right in terms of how they were being written) and that we knew it was her influence that made all the difference. She was so adorable -- and she seemed so delighted to talk to someone who loves and appreciates her favorite couple so much. I'd venture to say that she doesn't get to talk to many of us very often. Taiyin "Sacrifice yourself, my love slave." --"Oh, do with me what you will." -- Lucy & Kevin, GH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Recaps Date: 23 Jan 1998 15:23:08 -0500 At 11:37 AM 1/23/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >On the GH/PC list, Julie wrote: >> >>just out of curiosity, what was lucy THINKING yelling at kevin for >>kissing eve? exCUSE me, but who's the one who's ENGAGED TO REX??? > >Oh man. This makes me crazy. I HATE the kind of damage that they are >inflicting on Lucy as a character with all of this. I may actually even >hate that more than the damage they are inflicting on her relationship with >Kevin. Not much, but a little. Actually, I think that was just fine. At the bottom of it all, I don't think Lucy was yelling at him for kissing Eve; she was yelling at him because it hurt her so much to watch it and she didn't expect that. The last time Lucy had any reason to be jealous about Kevin and another woman was about three years ago, and the "other woman" was Felicia. He's so completely in love, and so totally committed to her, that I think she tends to take him for granted. All of a sudden, there he is, apparently having fun with a beautiful woman. Yes, she told him to do it - but maybe she didn't think he'd *like* it. Or maybe she didn't stop and think about how it would feel when she had to watch it happening. It helped me to understand why, back on New Year's Eve, Lucy didn't seem to understand how much it upset Kevin to see her kissing Rex. It's like everyone keeps reminding Lucy - this isn't a game, it's real life. But that hasn't been getting that. I think when she saw Kevin kiss Eve, that message finally got through. >>as if it's not bad enough >>they had lucy chat with scott about how well the two of them understand >>each other, vs. how well lucy and KEVIN do. yuck. > >They WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? Oh. My. God. That is dispicable. I can't believe >that. Positively vile. I don't know if I can watch that without damaging >my TV and/or my hand. You may disagree with me after you see it, but again that didn't upset me. Lucy's comment was that she and Scott understood each other because they're alike, whereas sometimes she has a hard time understanding Kevin. I think that's true. And in much the same way, sometimes Kevin doesn't understand Lucy (as he remarked to Eve). Kevin and Lucy are not alike; Scott and Lucy are, pretty much. Being alike and belonging together as a couple are entirely different things. Kevin and Lucy are a fabulous couple precisely *because* they aren't alike. > I can understand the necessity of having to make reference to >Lucy and Scott's relationship -- at least to some degree (though, the >degree to which Guza implied this was going to be done bothers me quite a >bit), but there is no need to REVISIT the relationship. Are they just >plain old forgetting that while, yes, Scott and Lucy *did* love each other, >they NEVER had anything REMOTELY close to a successful relationship? And >that the biggest part of that problem was that their mutual scheming made >them TOTALLY incapable of trusting each other. Well, we'll see what happens there. I agree - I don't want to see it revisited. >I don't want Lucy to be a saint. She *is* fun when she is getting into >trouble. But they don't have to have her backslide into oblivion to do it. Until the episodes this week, I would have agreed with you. But I've been thinking about this, and I'm no longer convinced that she's backsliding. I think she's just returning to a tendency that didn't go away - it just went dormant. Lucy was so incredible in her support and defense of Kevin during all his troubles that I think maybe we came to expect a little bit too much of her. But I've already talked about this whole game-playing vs. control thing in another message, so I won't repeat myself. I know most of you are going to disagree...... but, hey, *somebody* has to be the devil's advocate! :-) Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:16:01 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Rika wrote: > How did everybody feel about the Kevin/Eve kiss and the fight that followed > it on Thursday? It seems funny to say about a big Kevin/Lucy fight, but I > loved it, overall. I was cheering Kevin all the way, pom-poms and all. It's about time Lucy got a bit of her own medicine. He's been on the sidelines way too long. He's finally having some fun, if you can call what's going on "fun". The whole bit with Eve and Scott at the hospital was priceless. I'm highly enjoying Kevin flirt with Eve, and I was rolling on the floor during the dinner scenes. The fake smile while going on about Rex and Lucy was classic. I think Scott is also getting a taste of his own medicine. Now he knows exactly what Kevin has been going through as he's somewhat forced to watch Eve and Kevin "date". For the first time I think it's dawning on him that this plan is going to have major repercussions besides getting Rex. > Third, the fight. I wanted to penalize Lucy 15 yards for major delusions > when she claimed she wasn't having any fun with Rex, but I'm just glad she > finally has gotten a wake-up call. Perhaps she'll stop taking Kevin for > granted. (More on this below). I think Lucy deserved a 10 minute major and a game misconduct for her reaction. To not only accuse Kevin of cheating on her but to then not believe his explanation was unreal. How she could actually think "Doc" is capable of such a thing is beyond me. > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Outside of that one moment, though, she looked uncomfortable and unhappy > and awkward and distracted. I think she's starting to get scared that she > won't be able to handle Rex after all (he is pushing for a February > wedding). But in addition to that, I think the situation with Kevin has > taken all the fun out of her game-playing with Rex in a heck of a hurry. I > hope it stays that way. The only good thing about Rex pushing for the February wedding is that maybe this signals the end of this bloody storyline. With the clock ticking big time now on all fronts there should be a greater effort to take Rex down, one way or the other. I think I'd have to chuck my TV out the window if Lucy and Rex marry. -Nicole "Well, watching that cretin from Mars try to seduce my fiancee is a little bit more than I bargained for." -Kevin to Eve, PC 1/21/98 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 25 Jan 1998 00:22:37 -0500 Hi all - I got this from a friend. She sent me a bunch of spoilers (from a couple of the soap mags, I think); it was the part about February sweeps that particularly caught my attention, so I thought I'd share. In keeping with the purpose of this list, I've deleted spoilers unrelated to K&L (one of which provides the identity of the other person in that mental-institution photo of Rex, BTW). Anyway, the description of the Kevin/Lucy stuff sounds like it could be absolutely fantastic, depending on the outcome: H A N G O N T O Y O U R H A T S ! ! ! >February Sweeps >Winter Storm Warnings > >Time is everyone's concern in Port Charles this February, when Lucy's marriage >is imminent and Kevin attempts to intervene. The elements intercede and a >winter storm wreaks havoc on residents, causing Gail to secretly flee to >safety with Serena........ ........ And we're not sure whose >side time will be on when Lucy finds herself in a situation where she must >fight for her life, and Kevin squares off in a psychological confrontation >with Rex, where the stakes are literally life and death. All I can say is, IT'S ABOUT TIME! Kevin vs. Rex is what this whole thing should have been about all along. I sure hope Kevin winds up being the one who brings him down. But the down side is that, from the sound of things, the Rex/Lucy wedding is going to almost happen. From the above, it sounds like perhaps the storm prevents it from happening. I could rant about this assumption they all seem to make - that Scott's conviction would automatically mean Rex gets custody - but that's probably a subject for another message..... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:34:45 -0600 (CST) On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Rika wrote: > H > A > N > G > > O > N > > T > O > > Y > O > U > R > > H > A > T > S > ! > ! > ! > > >February Sweeps > >Winter Storm Warnings > > > >Time is everyone's concern in Port Charles this February, when Lucy's > marriage > >is imminent and Kevin attempts to intervene. The elements intercede and a > >winter storm wreaks havoc on residents, causing Gail to secretly flee to > >safety with Serena........ ........ And we're not sure whose > >side time will be on when Lucy finds herself in a situation where she must > >fight for her life, and Kevin squares off in a psychological confrontation > >with Rex, where the stakes are literally life and death. YES!!!! This has just made my night and the rest of my week I think. I've been waiting for Kevin to go medieval mentally on Rex. And it's nice to see that Kevin apparently won't by laying down while Lucy walks down the altar. Can we say "thank you, Mother Nature"? -Nicole "Is that a ring on your finger? Have you set a date yet?" -Kevin to Lucy, PC 1/22/98 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 25 Jan 1998 00:35:51 -0500 At 11:34 PM 1/24/98 -0600, Nicole wrote: > > >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Rika wrote: > >> H >> A >> N >> G >> >> O >> N >> >> T >> O >> >> Y >> O >> U >> R >> >> H >> A >> T >> S >> ! >> ! >> ! >> >> >February Sweeps >YES!!!! This has just made my night and the rest of my week I think. That's why I sent it out right away. >I've >been waiting for Kevin to go medieval mentally on Rex. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I love this expression!!! And it's nice to >see that Kevin apparently won't by laying down while Lucy walks down the >altar. Can we say "thank you, Mother Nature"? Amen, sister! Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AVID Woman Subject: K&L: Little soap fun. Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:58:29 -0600 (CST) I'm currently rewriting a pilot and working on the second episode of a soap opera we're doing for my campus TV station. I plan to do a little spoofing along the way with two characters who will spend most of the time on screen either watching soaps, recreating scenes they way they'd like to see them, or watching great sports movies like Hoosiers and Rudy. I've got some ideas on what scenes I'd like to "redo" one of which being the roof scene from this week, where in my version one of the guys will chuck his friend off the "roof" when he buts into the argument. Another will be one playing the fake Mac and the other playing Kevin who discovers the fraud in a matter of seconds. This is where you all get to come in if you so desire. I'm looking for ideas on other scenes that can be spoofed or commented on. Along with those I'm definately be having fun with Brenda's wedding and the like. I know what soap plotlines and characters drive me nuts, but I'd like to know what others think. Obviously being a KL fan I plan to name drop them and plot lines involving them big time. Now it all won't be spoofing, but also plot ideas and maybe even the creation of a drinking game for Port Charles focusing on everyone's favorite shrink, businesswoman, and duck. I want these two characters to be the most informed and knowledgeable guys on soaps that ever existed. And of course let me know if you all think I'm nuts for even mentioning this here. :) -Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and the Night of the Mussels Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:12:23 -0500 Well, here it is Super Bowl Sunday, and this week's transcript would certainly be a contender for a Super Bowl of Kevin/Lucy memorable moments. Enjoy! Rika KEVIN, LUCY, AND THE NIGHT OF THE MUSSELS - early October, 1994 First, let me note that if you ever want a real challenge, you should try transcribing the latter part of this scene. I usually try to faithfully reproduce what is said. In this case, I missed some of Lucy's babble, but this is about 90% of what she says as she races frantically around her apartment, trying to deal with all the various crises. If you're keeping track, this is Failed Lovemaking Attempt #3. Lucy, wearing a nifty black and white dress, answers the door to her apartment. Kevin stands in the hallway, holding a gorgeous bouquet of flowers out to her. L: "You brought me flowers." K: "And champagne. Why so surprised?" (Kevin brushes past her to enter her apartment.) L: "Well, it's just - I don't know. It's so unexpected and sweet. I didn't know you were a closet romantic, Kevin." K: "Oh, there's a great many things you don't know about me, Lucy, but that number will lessen tonight, I hope." (Yes, it will, but not in the way he was hoping....) L: "I can hardly wait." (She puts the flowers in a vase.) "These are absolutely beautiful." K: "So are you. You look good enough to eat." L: "Well, I think something like that might be arranged." (Kevin raises his eyebrows at the innuendo. Lucy picks up the champagne.) "How did you know this was my favorite?" K: "I noticed the price tag and took a wild guess." L: "This is starting to feel like a special occasion." K: "Oh, I'd bet money on it." A bit later, Kevin is opening the champagne bottle while Lucy brings over two glasses. We see that the room is positively infested with glowing candles. K: "You know, Lucy, if I'd known you were low on candles, I would have stopped and picked up a few." L: "Too much?" K: "Well, we could turn off the thermostat and stay warm by candlelight alone." L: "Or we could turn off the thermostat and blow out all the candles and still generate all the heat we need." (He pours two glasses of champagne; Lucy heads over to the sofa with them.) K: "Not with you so far away." L: "Well, all right, I was going for a mood. It is kind of pretty, isn't it?" K: "It's perfect - very Lucy." (Kevin joins Lucy on the sofa. She hands him a champagne glass.) L: "Does it kind of send an appropriate message?" K: "Well, if your intentions are less than honorable - I hope." L: "You decide." (They kiss - a gentle, lingering kiss.) K: "Definitely less than honorable." L: "Good. Oh, there is one thing that we should clear up right away. Are there going to be any rules of yours? You know, I don't want to work up a whole full head of steam and then have you tell me I'm doing something wrong." K: "Only one." L: "Oh, boy. I knew it. All right, I'm prepared. Let me have it." K: "The names Damian Smith" (he shudders) "and Luke Spencer won't be uttered by either one of us tonight." L: "Fine. Add Felicia Jones to the list, Doctor, and you have a deal." K: (raising his champagne glass) "To us?" L: "To us." (They clink glasses, link their arms together, and drink, gazing into each other's eyes.) K: "Did I happen to mention how incredibly gorgeous you look tonight?" L: "Well,you did mention earlier something about nibbling me." K: "What a good place to start. Excuse me." (Kevin takes Lucy's champagne glass out of her hand, and sets both their glasses on the coffee table.) K: "I think I'll start by nibbling every single inch of you." (Kevin leans forward, nuzzling Lucy's neck. He continues to kiss her neck, face, and mouth during the dialogue that follows.) L: "Oh, that sounds delicious." K: "You are delicious." L: "Why, Doctor, you're even hungrier than I thought." K: "Lucy, you're looking at a starving man here." L: "Don't you want an appetizer before the main course?" K: "That depends on what you have in mind." L: "Oh, you are bad." K: "No, I'm good." L: "And modest too." K: "I can prove it." (Kevin, who is not in the mood for any delays, settles in for a deeper kiss, but Lucy stops him. A huge mistake, as it turns out....) L: "Mmm mmm. Down, boy. I want, right now, mussels." K: "All right, right, left, front, back - I'm easy." (Lucy lifts a serving plate off the coffee table.) L: "Not your muscles, these." (Lucy spears one with a fork and sensuously slips it into her mouth as Kevin watches in rapt attention.) L: "Mmm, heaven. Mmm, Doctor, I want you to know something. A lot of thought went into creating a sensual environment for you this evening, right down to the menu - presentation and order of consumption. Now, for me that was a real stumper - I couldn't think. All of a sudden I had a divine inspiration. Mussels - the perfect erotic appetizer." (She feeds a mussel to Kevin.) K: "Mmmm. Quite so." (He takes the fork from Lucy and spears a mussel.) "However, if you add a little sauce to spice it up, the possibilities become endless." Kevin feeds a sauce-covered mussel to Lucy. They kiss. They feed each other the remaining mussels using their fingers, alternating mussels and kisses. Finally, the plate is empty. Kevin takes it out of Lucy's hands and they sink into a reclining position on the sofa, kissing. A song plays in the background. Usually a song like this is GH's trademark for a couple's first time making love, and it looks like that is about to happen. I'll leave the next little bit of videotape to your imagination. When we rejoin them, they are on the floor between the sofa and the coffee table. We don't actually see them, but we see shoes, jewelry, and Kevin's shirt flying through the air, and we hear heavy breathing. And then Kevin gasps: K: "Where's the bedroom?" L: "Too far. Condom?" (Suddenly, a bare-chested Kevin sits bolt upright. Lucy sits up too.) L: "What? What? You don't believe in using protection?" (Kevin starts to scratch his chest.) K: "Hives." L: "Who?" K: "I'm breaking out in hives!" L: "Hives? You mean hives?" K: "Yes." L: "Like in hive hives?" K: "Yes!" (He is frantically trying to scratch his shoulders and back now; Lucy starts to help him, but she's reluctant to touch his hives. When we we rejoin them, Kevin is gasping and wheezing as well as scratching.) L: "Ewww, Kevin, what is happening to you?" K: "I don't know." L: "Well, you know, if you were allergic to mussels, why didn't you just say so in the first place? It would have been a lot simpler." K: "I'm not. I mean, I wasn't. Lucy, this has never happened to me before." L: "Okay, okay, just tell me what you want me to do." K: "Will you get me to the hospital?" L: "The hospital? Why? Can't you just breathe through a - here, breathe through a bag or something." K: "No, I can't breathe through a bag. I need an antihistamine injection, possibly adrenaline. Will you just get me to the emergency room?" L: "Okay, okay, okay, fine. Don't worry. Everything's fine. I'm going to handle this, because I'm good at staying cool, calm, and collected." (Her hands-on-hips wiggle at this point is a classic Lucy moment.) L: "Okay, look, don't worry. First, dress. I need you to dress. Here, put on your shirt. Here, let me help you. Oh, oh, stand up, stand up, breathe in, out, stand up. Okay, you can do it. Stand up, stand up. Okay, here, give me your arm, give me your arm, quick, quick, quick." (Lucy is trying to get Kevin's shirt on, but he's unsteady on his feet and Lucy's none too steady herself. She gives up and drapes it around him.) L: "Okay, well, here, here, just wrap it around you and you'll be fine. Okay, now, now - STOP THAT WHEEZING! The wheezing is making me sick. Okay, breathe, breathe - stop gasping! Why do you have to keep gasping like that? Okay, never mind, move, just move, move, move, move, move." (Kevin stumbles over the server holding the champagne bottle and falls onto the arm of the sofa. As he falls, he knocks a couple of the lit candles onto the floor, but Lucy doesn't notice yet. She grabs Kevin and helps him up.) L: "Oh, Kevin! Oh, are you okay, I'm so sorry! Here, put your arms through there and I'll get my keys and - " (Lucy notices smoke rising from the floor where the candles fell.) L: "Oh, my God - Kevin, don't panic! Fire - there's fire. Oh, boy!" K: "Lucy!" (He reaches out to her, gasping.) L: "I know. Okay, breathe, breathe. There's a fire right there, and there's like smoke and - " K: "Lucy!!!" L: "All right, I'm going." (She runs off and returns with a fire extinguisher.) L: "Okay, all right. Stay with me! Do you know, I've always wanted to use these, I see them in movies all the time, but I never knew how they got the pins out. Okay, there it goes! I got it! Okay - " K: "Lucy, I'm dying here." L: "Don't die! Don't die. I'm gonna do this, as soon as I put out this fire, okay, here I go!" (Lucy sets off the fire extinguisher, losing control of it. The spray hits Kevin and knocks him off the sofa, tumbling him face down onto the floor.) L: "I got it!" (She notices Kevin) "Oh, oh, Kevin, oh, I'm so sorry! I am so sorry. Here - stand up - I got you - here, take your shirt." K: "What are you trying to do to me?" L: "Here, stand up - just sit there. I'm gonna get my shoes, and then I'm gonna get my keys, and my purse - where's my purse? I'm going to find my purse - don't worry!" We fade out on Kevin, sitting on the floor by the sofa, desperately trying to gasp in air. Phew! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and the Night of the Mussels Date: 27 Jan 1998 07:46:30 -0800 At 05:12 PM 1/25/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >Well, here it is Super Bowl Sunday, and this week's transcript would >certainly be a contender for a Super Bowl of Kevin/Lucy memorable moments. Oh, I LOVE that one. One of my favorite of their attempts. Thanks Rika! What a perfect way to start what is going to be a LLLLOOOONNNNNGGGGG Monday. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and the Night of the Mussels Date: 27 Jan 1998 07:46:30 -0800 At 05:12 PM 1/25/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >Well, here it is Super Bowl Sunday, and this week's transcript would >certainly be a contender for a Super Bowl of Kevin/Lucy memorable moments. Oh, I LOVE that one. One of my favorite of their attempts. Thanks Rika! What a perfect way to start what is going to be a LLLLOOOONNNNNGGGGG Monday. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: Re: Re: K&L: Recaps Date: 26 Jan 1998 09:58:25 PST taiyin wrote: >>Oh man. This makes me crazy. I HATE the kind of damage that they >>are inflicting on Lucy as a character with all of this. I may >>actually even hate that more than the damage they are inflicting on >>her relationship with Kevin. Not much, but a little. and rika wrote: >Actually, I think that was just fine. At the bottom of it all, I >don't think Lucy was yelling at him for kissing Eve; she was yelling >at him because it hurt her so much to watch it and she didn't expect >that. hmmmmm. well, i see your point, but i'm not so sure. i think lucy was totally out of line--first of all, because it was HER IDEA for kevin to publicly go out with eve, and secondly, because she got ENGAGED in the name of this farce, for god's sake. all KEVIN did was kiss eve! i agree with you that the underlying basis for all this is that she didn't expect it to hurt so much when she knew it was fake...but i also think she's beginning to doubt whether it IS fake. why else would she have doubted kevin's word, and asked SCOTT to verify that he had indeed been with him that night. that, coupled with their chat about how well they understand each other, makes me a tad nervous. (more below) >It's like >everyone keeps reminding Lucy - this isn't a game, it's real life. >But that hasn't been getting that. I think when she saw Kevin kiss >Eve, that message finally got through. i think you're completely right there, and that's a perfect way of summing it up. and i guess it would be kind of naive to not expect there to be some sort of fallout, in terms of everyone's interpersonal relationships, from this elaborate charade. however, that said... >You may disagree with me after you see it, but again that didn't >upset me. Lucy's comment was that she and Scott understood each >other because they're alike, whereas sometimes she has a hard time >understanding Kevin. I think that's true. And in much the same way, >sometimes Kevin doesn't understand Lucy (as he remarked to Eve). >Kevin and Lucy are not alike; Scott and Lucy are, pretty much. Being >alike and belonging together as a couple are entirely different >things. oh i agree COMPLETELY, in real life. and if i had ANY sort of faith in tptb, i'd probably be with you on this one. but as i DON'T, and as i have known from day one that they wouldn't be able to leave the lucy and scott history without making SOME sort of conflict there...it all makes me nervous. because i used to really like lucy and scott together...until dominique, and until scott left with serena. i think dominique changed both lucy AND scotty immensely, and i think her death changed lucy for the better, while i'm not so sure that's the case with scott. i was FURIOUS at him, on lucy's behalf, when he left town with serena, and again when he came back accusing her of kidnapping her. and i think those two situations, combined with how much lucy has changed because of both dom and kevin, mean they're no longer as alike as they used to be. and the way things are going right now, i'm not trusting tptb to realize or honor that. taiyin wrote: >>I don't want Lucy to be a saint. She *is* fun when she is getting >>into trouble. But they don't have to have her backslide into >>oblivion to do it. and rika responded: >Until the episodes this week, I would have agreed with you. But I've >been thinking about this, and I'm no longer convinced that she's >backsliding. I think she's just returning to a tendency that didn't >go away - it just went dormant. Lucy was so incredible in her >support and defense of Kevin during all his troubles that I think >maybe we came to expect a little bit too much of her. hmmmm. i think i might be somewhere between the two of you on this one. i agree that lucy has a side of her that can never really go away entirely, and that's scott's return and rex's manipulations have brought that to the forefront again. however, i think it's an important distinction that this scheming side which enjoys playing these little games is only being resurrected for one reason--serena. this is NOT the same woman who would ruin people's lives just because of a bet or a challenge, like during the damian era. so while i agree that she's nowhere near the saint she may have been portrayed as during kevin's troubles, i think she's a VASTLY different person from the "old lucy" as well. i THINK that's what taiyin probably meant in her "backsliding" comment, and i would tend to agree with her. i think the current regime is demonstrating a tendency (like with the "worst case scenario, i get to be serena's stepmother for a while, and at least i might get a nice ring out of it" comment) to paint lucy a lot more like the "old lucy" than i think she really is. >I know most of you are going to disagree...... but, hey, *somebody* >has to be the devil's advocate! :-) otherwise it's no fun! :) but i DO see your point...it's just that i don't trust tptb at ALL at this point! julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: PC Newsletter Date: 26 Jan 1998 09:44:30 -0800 This is the first edition of a PC newsletter that I just recieved -- if you're interested in getting it, contact Yvonne . This is the *only* edition I will be posting, as much of it is old news -- just thought I'd share it with you guys in case you're interested. I've snipped out everything but the K&L-related parts... which sort of amounts to a shameless plug. ;-) Taiyin **********PC NEWS**************** Vol. 1, #1 Copyright (c) 1997 Hollywood Hotline (tm) Welcome to the first edition of the PC Newsletter. The newsletter will come out the first week of every month. I hope you will enjoy it and contribute to making this a fun publication to read. I'd love to hear your comments, suggestions and any contributions you might have for future editions. Enjoy! Yvonne PC/SL Yvonne [PC] 110345,3451 *****ONE PERSON'S OPINION***** This column will be for anyone to express their feelings about anything on PC whether it be a storyline, character, actor, scene, etc. If anyone has a contribution for this section, please send it to me and you'll see it in an upcoming newsletter. I'll start this off with some comments on the Rex/Scott/Serena storyline. Remember that these are only my opinions. First, I have to say when Wayne Northrop started as Rex Stanton, I thought he was excellent. I was having a great time watching him. I still think he's doing a wonderful job, however, I think it's time for the Rex storyline to come to a close. We've been dealing with this story since the debut of Port Charles and we don't seem to be getting any closer to an ending. It started off wonderful, but then they gave us too much of a good thing. The other actors are doing a wonderful job in their roles, but eventually the viewers need a payoff. I think we all need to see Serena and Scott reunited. That would be the payoff for fans. Instead we've seen this poor little girl crying during every holiday, running away and literally being torn from her father's hands. Even if Scott was everything he's being accused of, I find it hard to believe a judge would take Serena away from people she's known and loved - Gail, Lee, Lucy and Kevin - and put her in the hands of a single man she never laid eyes on before. It makes no sense. The fact that Rex always seems to be one step ahead of Scott, Lucy, Kevin and Jake doesn't help either. For once, I'd like to see the good guy win. We need something that keeps our attention. Instead, all we've been getting is Rex winning and always coming out on top. I say - give Serena back to Scott and let them get on with their lives. Let's move onto a romance for Scott with possibly the lovely Eve who would like nothing more than to be part of his life. So, what' s your opinion? Do you agree/disagree? Have something to say on another matter? Let us know! *****SPOTLIGHT ON A WEB SITE***** Each month I'll highlight a specific web page for all fans to check out. This month I'm going to talk about Kevin's Couch. This is a great place to find out anything you ever wanted to know on Jon Lindstrom and his character, Kevin. There are bios on Jon and Kevin, as well as many pictures. There are also connections to a fan fiction archives for Kevin and Lucy where you can read other fans' fictional stories about their favorite PC couple. There are, also, connections to: The Ultimate GH/PC Links Page, Kevin & Lucy's Lighthouse page, GH/PC and Kevin & Lucy Mailing Lists. You can get to all of these through Kevin's Couch (http://users.ap.net/~taiyin/couch/foray.html). This is definitely a place you won't want to miss and I guarantee you'll spend hours checking out the fun Kevin/Lucy material on these pages (I know I did!) Enjoy! ***************************** To check out the new website for CompuServe's Soaps-In-Depth go to: http://www.csi.com/go_c.asp?PIN=SoapsInDepth&BPID=SIDM105 Copyright (c) 1997 Hollywood Hotline (tm) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-kevin-and-lucy@lists.xmission.com Date: 26 Jan 1998 11:28:22 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Recaps Date: 26 Jan 1998 11:00:19 -0800 Rika wrote: > >>Actually, I think that was just fine. At the bottom of it all, I >>don't think Lucy was yelling at him for kissing Eve; she was yelling >>at him because it hurt her so much to watch it and she didn't expect >>that. And Julie added: >hmmmmm. well, i see your point, but i'm not so sure. i think lucy was >totally out of line--first of all, because it was HER IDEA for kevin to >publicly go out with eve, and secondly, because she got ENGAGED in the >name of this farce, for god's sake. all KEVIN did was kiss eve! I agree with both of you. Truthfully, actually. I think that Lucy WAS upset at realizing how much it hurt, but I still wanted to smack her for being so selfish. SHE is the one who set this whole thing in motion. SHE is the one who pretty much emotionally blackmailed Kevin into going along with this. SHE is the one who has been playing footsie with Rex and expecting Kevin to watch. SHE is the one who insisted that Kevin and Eve be seen in public. As much as I love Lucy, I have NO sympathy for her. Kevin has been putting up with this kind of crap from her since they first met. IMO she has no right to get ticked when the tables are momentarily turned. >that, coupled with their chat about how well they >understand each other, makes me a tad nervous. (more below) I agree with that one, too. On one hand, Lynn and Kin played it in such a way to keep it from being too bad -- when I was mentally picturing the scene before I watched it, I was imagining something FAR worse than what we actually got. But, OTOH, I DON'T like the comparison because it goes back to the problem I've had with Scott's return from the very beginning: over all, with the exception of the few days Michelle Val Jean was there, they are CONSTANTLY either underestimating or neglecting to notice the fact that Lucy is a very, very different person than she was when Scott left -- nevermind pre-Dominique. >and i guess it would be kind of naive to not expect >there to be some sort of fallout, in terms of everyone's interpersonal >relationships, from this elaborate charade. however, that said... That's why this plan has made me uncomfortable from the beginning. Eve asked Kevin point blank if he wasn't concerned about the potential damage this plot was going to do to their relationship and he didn't really answer her. That is something that they needed to consider before they started it. And even Kevin didn't express any concerns over that -- his reservations were all about Lucy's physical safety. Valid point, no doubt. But the emotional ramifications were much more likely from the outset. >i was FURIOUS at him, on lucy's behalf, when he left town with >serena, and again when he came back accusing her of kidnapping her. and >i think those two situations, combined with how much lucy has changed >because of both dom and kevin, mean they're no longer as alike as they >used to be. And I think this is what still bothers me about that conversation -- though it didn't upset me as much as I expected it to. >however, i think it's an important >distinction that this scheming side which enjoys playing these little >games is only being resurrected for one reason--serena. And I think it was poetic justice that after Kevin has had to keep chanting that to himself to stomach all this garbage he's been forced to watch, finally both Lucy and Scott were forced to snap out of their 'game-playing' mode over their respecitve jealousy about Kevin and Eve hamming it up in public. Kevin and Eve should stick with it. They might get Scott and Lucy to both get off the dime and wrap this disaster up. >nowhere near the saint she may have been portrayed as during kevin's >troubles, i think she's a VASTLY different person from the "old lucy" as >well. i THINK that's what taiyin probably meant in her "backsliding" >comment, and i would tend to agree with her. Yes, that is what I meant. Thank you, Julie. :-) I think that's what I dislike about Scott and Lucy's relationship -- they are very much stuck in this pre-1993 rut and they can't seem to get out of it. The way they relate to each other doesn't allow for either one of them to change or grow -- and yet neither of them seem to recognize that fact. They have such an infuriatingly unhealthy relationship that it's just painful to watch them fall into these old habits without even realizing they are doing it -- especially Lucy (I rarely give a damn about Scott). >i think the current regime >is demonstrating a tendency (like with the "worst case scenario, i get >to be serena's stepmother for a while, and at least i might get a nice >ring out of it" comment) to paint lucy a lot more like the "old lucy" >than i think she really is. I agree. >>I know most of you are going to disagree...... but, hey, *somebody* >>has to be the devil's advocate! :-) > >otherwise it's no fun! :) And when that happens we go days with no conversation around here! >but i DO see your point...it's just that i don't trust tptb at ALL at >this point! I'm torn. I think what Guza said to me last week about Scott and Lucy's relationship HAVING to be dealt with sort of comforts me in that the implication was that it wouldn't be happening yet (which means that this isn't likely to be the catalist). OTOH, Lynn Latham has proven that she enjoys digging into characters history (generally speaking a very GoodThing, IMO), which means that this issue may not actually come up now, but chances of it being used as a launching pad when it DOES come up are very good. Bah. Taiyin "How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:18:19 -0800 At 12:22 AM 1/25/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >H >A >N >G > >O >N > >T >O > >Y >O >U >R > >H >A >T >S >! >! >! Spoilers for February sweeps say: >>side time will be on when Lucy finds herself in a situation where she must >>fight for her life, and Kevin squares off in a psychological confrontation >>with Rex, where the stakes are literally life and death. And Rika comments: >All I can say is, IT'S ABOUT TIME! Kevin vs. Rex is what this whole thing >should have been about all along. I sure hope Kevin winds up being the one >who brings him down. Amen to that! Just think how much more interesting this storyline would have been if Kevin and Rex had been engaged in psychological warfare from the beginning -- instead of Lucy resorting to sex games again. And Kevin has had to sit on the sidelines for everything (except Ryan-related stuff) for the past four years. It's about damn time he actually gets to DO something. >But the down side is that, from the sound of things, the Rex/Lucy wedding >is going to almost happen. From the above, it sounds like perhaps the >storm prevents it from happening. Well, as long as it doesn't ACTUALLY happen, I can live with "almost." >I could rant about this assumption they >all seem to make - that Scott's conviction would automatically mean Rex >gets custody - but that's probably a subject for another message..... Well, I think Scott just doesn't want to go to jail, too. ;-) Too bad. At least he wouldn't be able to get in the middle of anymore K&L fights. Twerp. Taiyin "How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:30:05 PST i've covered a lot of this elsewhere, but a few additional points i wanted to comment on! rika wrote: >Fourth, I've always enjoyed the way Kevin and Lucy fight. That may >sound strange, but their fights bring out great passion and energy in >both of them. I wouldn't want them to fight constantly, but right >now they have some issues to deal with so it makes sense. i agree with that...historically i've loved their fights. but this one bugged me only because i really thought they had gotten past the whole trust issue back during the days of lucy's jealously of felicia. so for her now to not trust him when he says he was with scott and not eve really rings false for me. >I disagree with Lucy - I don't >think Kevin is trying to control her. I think he's simply trying to >have some small measure of control over his *own* life. Lucy may not >realize the extent to which her actions affect him. So, in this >case, Lucy is careening down the road, out of control (as far as >Kevin can see), and since his happiness depends so profoundly on >hers, that puts him in the car with her. But since he is the >passenger and she's the driver, he's powerless to prevent the wreck >he knows is going to happen. As long as Lucy doesn't learn this >lesson, this "control issue" is going to continue to arise between >them. i think that's an absolutely perfect description of the issue. however, again i really thought this was a point that lucy had gotten a long time ago. i'd say back when scott first came to town, during the kidnapping and the miscarriage. it seems to me this is covering a lot of the same ground as was covered back then, and i really thought lucy and kevin had come to understand each other's point of view on that one. it's those two issues--trust and control--that lead me to agree with taiyin when she says lucy's backsliding. >My one disappointment with Thursday's show was that it didn't end >with a late-night scene in which Lucy returned to the Lighthouse and >she and Kevin made up. It's not like them to let something like this >hang between them for any length of time. now see...if they had done THAT, the fight probably wouldn't have bothered me at all. i would have seen it as just another blowing-off-steam episode on both their parts. but the fact that they DIDN'T (because you're right--it's NOT like them) leads me to worry that we're all being set up for a lot more where that came from. >However, as a result of that, today's Rex/Lucy >scenes had an element we've never seen before: >Lucy was positively *miserable* today in her scenes with Rex. well, i haven't seen anything since thursday's ep, so the way you described friday, hopefully that will be the wake-up call lucy needs to remember all of this stuff that she's known for SUCH a long time! >I think she's starting to get scared that she >won't be able to handle Rex after all (he is pushing for a February >wedding). But in addition to that, I think the situation with Kevin >has taken all the fun out of her game-playing with Rex in a heck of a >hurry. I hope it stays that way. me too! julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: Re: K&L: Recaps Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:09:57 -0500 At 09:58 AM 1/26/98 PST, Julie wrote: (Well, actually, Julie wrote a lot of stuff; really sensible stuff, in fact, in response to things Taiyin and I said. I've snipped it because I assume you've all read it; besides, I think the places where we didn't agree 100% are summed up very well right here: >but i DO see your point...it's just that i don't trust tptb at ALL at >this point! Fair enough. And when I'm considering the situation with my heart and not my head, I worry about most of the same things you do. But I recognized a while back that when I start worrying about what TPTB *might* do to K&L, I don't enjoy watching the show. And why do something I don't enjoy? Life is too short. So I could either give up watching the show (impossible - I'd miss my Internet buddies) or change my approach. Now I just figure that what's gonna happen to K&L is gonna happen. I might as well not get upset about it now, since there will be plenty of time to get upset after it happens (and to rant about it here). Besides, I've picked up "hints" from the writers and constructed horrid scenarios that never materialized; I'm sure they do that on purpose just to torture us. And as to not trusting TPTB, I can relate. But I can barely remember when I ever did! I think I trusted Claire Labine until Madame Maia came along; I never trusted anybody after that. Latham is evidently going to throw the obligatory obstacles in Kevin and Lucy's path, but think of all the obstacles they've survived (under several head writers): Grace, Ryan, Damian Smith, Luke Spencer (in a sense), Joe Scully, Madame Maia, Mommie Dearest, Daddy Dearest, and the miscarriage. Of course, this approach requires that one live in a frequent state of denial! An e-mail buddy and I call it "Pollyanna mode." We also keep a supply of "pink and purple pills" on hand for when things get tough - I sent her a bag of pink and purple jelly beans during the summer of Kevin's mental breakdown. Anyway, I agree that when the writers start dealing this Scott/Lucy thing, we probably aren't going to like it at all. But I also figure that it'll only be temporary, if for no other reason than to clear the way for Scott and Eve. And, you know, it might be that the Scott/Lucy thing will play out primarily in Kevin's mind, if you know what I'm saying. It may not be at all that Scott and Lucy feel like rekindling anything; it may just be that Kevin's jealousy of their bond (which arose as an issue back in August but wasn't resolved) is still hanging out there. (Gosh, that's scary - I went into Pollyanna mode without knowing it!) Well, enough nauseatingly optimistic chirping for one day. 0:-) Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:16:11 -0500 At 01:18 PM 1/26/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >At 12:22 AM 1/25/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >> >>H >>A >>N >>G >> >>O >>N >> >>T >>O >> >>Y >>O >>U >>R >> >>H >>A >>T >>S >>! >>! >>! >>I could rant about this assumption they >>all seem to make - that Scott's conviction would automatically mean Rex >>gets custody - but that's probably a subject for another message..... > >Well, I think Scott just doesn't want to go to jail, too. ;-) > >Too bad. At least he wouldn't be able to get in the middle of anymore K&L >fights. Twerp. That reminds me of one of my favorite parts about this whole thing. I may not have posted it. Scott does go to jail, at least temporarily. Eve tries to bust him out (huh???). This is good news is because it probably means that Kevin will try to stop the wedding alone, and then will face Rex alone, instead of having Scott in the way. >Taiyin >"How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated >'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never >had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy What I wanted to know about that scene was, how did Lucy manage not to faint dead away at that suggestion! That probably would have been my reaction.... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 27 Jan 1998 20:25:13 -0800 At 11:16 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >>>H >>>A >>>N >>>G >>> >>>O >>>N >>> >>>T >>>O >>> >>>Y >>>O >>>U >>>R >>> >>>H >>>A >>>T >>>S >>>! >>>! >>>! > >That reminds me of one of my favorite parts about this whole thing. I may >not have posted it. Scott does go to jail, at least temporarily. Woo hoo! Is is unforgiveably undignified and mean of me to do a dance of joy over that? ;-) >Eve tries to bust him out (huh???). Ooookay. Maybe she should go ask Luke for some h*lp. ;-) >This is good news is because it probably >means that Kevin will try to stop the wedding alone, and then will face Rex >alone, instead of having Scott in the way. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! >>"How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated >>'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never >>had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy > >What I wanted to know about that scene was, how did Lucy manage not to >faint dead away at that suggestion! That probably would have been my >reaction.... No kidding! It's like the "I'd rather be at home, naked in bed with you" one. Just kill me now and let me die happy. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:22:32 -0500 At 10:30 AM 1/26/98 PST, Julie wrote: >i think that's an absolutely perfect description of the issue. however, >again i really thought this was a point that lucy had gotten a long time >ago. i'd say back when scott first came to town, during the kidnapping >and the miscarriage. it seems to me this is covering a lot of the same >ground as was covered back then, and i really thought lucy and kevin had >come to understand each other's point of view on that one. it's those >two issues--trust and control--that lead me to agree with taiyin when >she says lucy's backsliding. I think I finally see where my view differs from yours and Taiyin's. You came into this with a higher opinion of Lucy than I did - or, at least, a broader sense of the kinds of changes she has made in herself. But before I get into that, I agree with what you said above about the trust issue. There shouldn't be a problem in this area between Kevin and Lucy at this point. I can forgive her for accusing Kevin when he got home, simply because she had spent the night stewing about it, feeling lonely and insecure. She still shouldn't have doubted him - heaven knows he's never given her a reason - but I can chalk that up to insecurity and human frailty. Checking with Scott, though, was way out of line. As to the control issue, though, I don't think they have *ever* worked that out, mainly because every time it arises, Lucy does the same thing she always does and Kevin makes a few more allowances than he did the time before. To me, "working it out" would involve some compromise in behavior on both their parts, not just Kevin's, and I see no evidence that she has changed in this fundamental area. During Serena's kidnapping, Lucy did seem to see Kevin's POV - the fact that she felt guilty about her behavior showed that she learned *something* from the Joe Scully mess. But her guilt feelings didn't affect her behavior. She still shut Kevin out of the plans when Scott ordered her to do so. She still lied to him and hid things from him, even when she knew he was very worried. The only reason it didn't erupt into a control battle was because Kevin, surmising the life-and-death nature of what was going on, didn't force the issue. He just stayed in the background, supporting Lucy and looking out for her health and that of his unborn child as best she would allow him to (which wasn't much, unfortunately). She did exactly what she wanted to do, and Kevin made allowances. Next, fast forward to the post-miscarriage fight they had about Lucy's relationship with Scott. I thought Kevin had every right to be upset, given (as he put it) his front-row seat for the "Scott and Lucy show," and given Scott's refusal to behave like a grown-up and find his own place to live, such that he was constantly underfoot and interfering. Lucy's response was to get angry with Kevin. He left the house. When he came home, he apologized and they blamed it all on the "emotional fog" resulting from the miscarriage. Bull. That was part of the problem, but the Scott issue wasn't just a figment of Kevin's imagination. Botom line: where Scott was concerned, Lucy did exactly what she wanted to, and Kevin apologized for objecting. During 1994, while their relationship was growing, Lucy was the main one making the allowances, hanging in there, and changing and adapting. Since they have been lovers, though, I see their relationship as being mostly a process of Kevin learning how to live successfully in Lucy's world, with not a whole lot of the reverse happening. Don't get me wrong - Lucy is a veritable GODDESS when there is a crisis and Kevin needs her - but in their everyday lives, she does exactly what she wants to do, and Kevin learns to live with it. To me, the changes in Lucy since the old days have to do with her motives, not her methods. Nowadays, I believe that she genuinely tries to do the right thing in every situation. Her heart is in the right place and her intentions are nearly always good, and in those areas she has changed a LOT. The current situation is a perfect example. She's not scamming Rex to steal his money or destroy his life on a whim, as she once might have done. She's doing it to protect a child she loves. But I've never seen anything to suggest to me that she has become any less willful, impulsive, and stubborn, which is the source of the control issues (and also the reason why she gets involved in these schemes that escalate out of control - she dives into things before thinking them through, but she's too stubborn to change course when things don't work out as planned). And although she hasn't played games like these in a couple of years, I never felt like she renounced those methods - she just hasn't needed to use them. In keeping with what I said above, I don't think she'd play games for an evil purpose, but if she can do something good and game playing is a part of it, well, what the heck. I think "the end justifies the means" is a philosophy Lucy still lives by, at least up to a point. It's just that the ends she's working for are much different now. Anyway, that's why I don't see any of this as backsliding. "Old Lucy" methods with a "New Lucy" cause - that's exactly what I would expect of her. But if you perceived that her methods had changed too over the past few years, I can certainly understand why her current behavior would seem inconsistent. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:29:55 -0500 At 08:25 PM 1/27/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >At 11:16 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Rika wrote: > >>>>H >>>>A >>>>N >>>>G >>>> >>>>O >>>>N >>>> >>>>T >>>>O >>>> >>>>Y >>>>O >>>>U >>>>R >>>> >>>>H >>>>A >>>>T >>>>S >>>>! >>>>! >>>>! >> >>That reminds me of one of my favorite parts about this whole thing. I may >>not have posted it. Scott does go to jail, at least temporarily. > >Woo hoo! Is is unforgiveably undignified and mean of me to do a dance of >joy over that? ;-) If so, let's be undignified together!!!!! >>This is good news is because it probably >>means that Kevin will try to stop the wedding alone, and then will face Rex >>alone, instead of having Scott in the way. > >Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! But I'm going to (sort of) break my little "What, me worry?" rule and pass on a troubling spoiler I read in SONews at the grocery store today. I hasten to add that it's the *only* magazine so far that has said this. Its PC spoilers state that...... oh, I can scarcely bear to even type these words.... Lucy actually does marry Rex. The thing is (Pollyanna mode in full force), since all the other magazines just say that Kevin tries to stop the wedding, without indicating his success or failure, it's possible that SONews is wrong. I'd be surprised that ABC would tip their hand to one magazine and not the others, since the "does she or doesn't she" question is a pretty huge cliffhanger. And personally I'm going to stay in denial about the possibility that SONews could be right. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: February sweeps - spoilers Date: 27 Jan 1998 13:36:10 -0800 At 04:29 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >>>>>H >>>>>A >>>>>N >>>>>G >>>>> >>>>>O >>>>>N >>>>> >>>>>T >>>>>O >>>>> >>>>>Y >>>>>O >>>>>U >>>>>R >>>>> >>>>>H >>>>>A >>>>>T >>>>>S >>>>>! >>>>>! >>>>>! >If so, let's be undignified together!!!!! Amen to that! Woo hoo! Snotty in jail for a while. Hee hee hee hee. >But I'm going to (sort of) break my little "What, me worry?" rule and pass >on a troubling spoiler I read in SONews at the grocery store today. I >hasten to add that it's the *only* magazine so far that has said this. Its >PC spoilers state that...... oh, I can scarcely bear to even type these >words.... Lucy actually does marry Rex. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Nononononononononono! I don't want to know that. And I CERTAINLY don't watn to see that. I don't even want to THINK that. Yuck! >success or failure, it's possible that SONews is wrong. I'd be surprised >that ABC would tip their hand to one magazine and not the others, since the >"does she or doesn't she" question is a pretty huge cliffhanger. And >personally I'm going to stay in denial about the possibility that SONews >could be right. OK, thank you. Back to denial for me. Disgusting. Taiyin "How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:42:14 -0500 Rika wrote: >Checking with Scott, though, was way out of line. Okay, I admit that I didn't watch that scene, because hubby only taped half of it, and he taped it in the middle of my Daria tape, to boot . So I'll ask, "checking" in what sense? Talking about her fears with Scott? Or something more? My main question is, however, is it the fact that it was *Scott* that has everybody so steamed? It's not as if Lucy isn't in the habit of discussing her relationship with Kevin with just about anyone who will listen. I can recall numerous conversations with Luke, one or two with Sonny, and of course a wonderful analysis of their relationship by John Hanley during the Madame Maia mess. One of the problems with PC is that she doesn't have anyone *except* Scott to vent about Kevin to. >As to the control issue, though, I don't think they have >*ever* worked that out, mainly because every time it arises, >Lucy does the same thing she always does And doubtless Lucy doesn't see it that as an issue, because she has always argued that Kevin was trying to control her, not the other way around. In Lucy's eyes, it is Kevin who has the problem. I, on the other hand, tend to see the control/trust issue as two sides of the same coin. >But her guilt feelings didn't affect her behavior. >She still lied to him and hid things from him, even >when she knew he was very worried. For Lucy, that is a trust issue--the trust that Scott placed in her. But I think that has less to do with the fact that it was Scott (she has, after all, done the same for Luke) than that Lucy doesn't see the trust that both she and Kevin placed in their relationship as outweighing that more general loyalty to a friend. Maybe it's a "Kevin has professional 'secrets' so I can have some too" mentality, but I think it has more to do with Lucy not equating her investment in a relationship with Kevin as outweighing that loyalty she owes a friend. I don't think it means she loves Kevin any less, but she doesn't always comprehend "Kevin and Lucy" as a unit. But is it too much (or unfair, or even hypocritical?) to ask Lucy to go against her word when a friend asks her not to tell Kevin? >The only reason it didn't erupt into a control battle >was because Kevin, surmising the life-and-death nature >of what was going on, didn't force the issue. I definitely agree with you here. Kevin made the decision not to make it an issue. >Lucy and looking out for her health and that of >his unborn child as best she would allow him to (which >wasn't much, unfortunately). Are you implying that Lucy's, or Kevin's, behavior caused the miscarriage? I'd have to take issue with that. >Botom line: where Scott was concerned, Lucy did >exactly what she wanted to, and Kevin apologized for objecting. True, true, absolutely true. And still true, in a lot of ways. But I see that as a different can of worms than not telling Kevin about the ransom drop. >To me, the changes in Lucy since the old days have to >do with her motives, not her methods. Ditto. A very good analysis. I can't comment on her relationship with Tony, since I never saw much of it, but I think this is one of the reasons why she is still close to Alan. He has said as much about Lucy to others--she's "changed," but she certainly hasn't become a different person. A better person, I would argue, but her _modus operandi_ remains the essentially the same. >But if you perceived that her methods had changed too >over the past few years, I can certainly understand why >her current behavior would seem inconsistent. Well, a thorough Lucy timeline would help, but my interpretation of Lucy's methods would agree with Rika's--as I recall, before the Kevin Mental Meltdown, she was scheming for Deception, during the Meltdown she was scheming against Katherine and Deception, after the Meltdown she was scheming to find out what Kevin was hiding in England/France. However, I would be tempted to use the epithet "backsliding" regarding her relationship to Kevin, given how brutally, emotionally honest they both had to be with one another during and after the Meltdown. And that's what has irked me so far about PC. Apart from the "mental fog" spat that Rika mentioned, we've seen very little honest-to-god *discussion* between K&L about the miscarriage, about his father (sigh), about her relationship with Serena vs. Scott. On GH, a blow-up was usually the catalyst for hard truths (and a make-out session, which I admit I also miss ). So far, all we've had time for are hit and run squabbles. And *that*, I hate. --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:21:11 -0500 At 05:42 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Rika wrote: > >>Checking with Scott, though, was way out of line. > >Okay, I admit that I didn't watch that scene, because hubby only taped half >of it, and he taped it in the middle of my Daria tape, to boot . So >I'll ask, "checking" in what sense? Talking about her fears with Scott? >Or something more? No. That part was okay with me. The bad part was that she checked Kevin's story with Scott, to find out if Kevin had lied to her about where he was all night. My main question is, however, is it the fact that it >was *Scott* that has everybody so steamed? For some people, I think that was part of it. I didn't mind that. >>As to the control issue, though, I don't think they have >>*ever* worked that out, mainly because every time it arises, >>Lucy does the same thing she always does > > >And doubtless Lucy doesn't see it that as an issue, because she has always >argued that Kevin was trying to control her, not the other way around. In >Lucy's eyes, it is Kevin who has the problem. Well said, and I don't think she has ever understood that it's more complicated than that. I, on the other hand, tend >to see the control/trust issue as two sides of the same coin. For the most part I agree. >I don't think it means she loves Kevin any >less, but she doesn't always comprehend "Kevin and Lucy" as a unit. But is >it too much (or unfair, or even hypocritical?) to ask Lucy to go against >her word when a friend asks her not to tell Kevin? No, I wouldn't expect her to go against her word. But she had a choice about giving her word or not. She could have told Scott, "No, I won't keep this secret from Kevin," and then stood firm. She did try that, and Scott threatened to cut her out of the rescue plan, but I felt like she gave in a little quicker than she needed to. If for no other reason than that the two of them were living under the same roof as Kevin - after all, the situation could have gotten dangerous and affected him somehow - I think he had a right to know what was going on. In a way this isn't the best example, because it was really Scott who didn't trust Kevin and insisted on the secrecy, but, again, Lucy had the choice to agree to that or not. >>Lucy and looking out for her health and that of >>his unborn child as best she would allow him to (which >>wasn't much, unfortunately). > >Are you implying that Lucy's, or Kevin's, behavior caused the miscarriage? >I'd have to take issue with that. No, I'm not saying that - although obviously the physical and emotional stress she endured could possibly have been a contributing factor. But I remember that we repeatedly saw Kevin trying without success to get her to take better care of herself. I remember thinking more than once that she was so worried about Serena that she was forgetting about the other child that was depending on her. It doesn't mean she caused the miscarriage; the point I meant to make was that Kevin was trying to get her to acknowledge other priorities, but she was totally set on *her* chosen course of action. It's so typical of Lucy - she's very single-minded in her pursuit of the Burning Issue of the Moment, to the exclusion of basically everything else, even things that seemed very important to her a short time ago. It's kind of the same thing that's happening now, and it often gets her into trouble when the *rest* of her life suffers while she is on The Quest, whatever it is. >>To me, the changes in Lucy since the old days have to >>do with her motives, not her methods. > >Ditto. A very good analysis. I can't comment on her relationship with >Tony, since I never saw much of it, but I think this is one of the reasons >why she is still close to Alan. He has said as much about Lucy to >others--she's "changed," but she certainly hasn't become a different >person. A better person, I would argue, but her _modus operandi_ remains >the essentially the same. Yes, exactly my view of it. >However, I would be tempted to use the epithet "backsliding" regarding her >relationship to Kevin, given how brutally, emotionally honest they both had >to be with one another during and after the Meltdown. And that's what has >irked me so far about PC. Apart from the "mental fog" spat that Rika >mentioned, we've seen very little honest-to-god *discussion* between K&L >about the miscarriage, about his father (sigh), about her relationship with >Serena vs. Scott. On GH, a blow-up was usually the catalyst for hard >truths (and a make-out session, which I admit I also miss ). So far, >all we've had time for are hit and run squabbles. And *that*, I hate. Amen, and several messages back I remarked that that bothered me about the recent fight - it wasn't followed by any sort of closure. And today the fight seemed to be forgotten. I'm not sure if the absence of honest communication you mention is due to the writing on PC, the shorter format, or the unfortunate fact that Scott has been in the middle of their relationship ever since he arrived in town and thus they haven't really had the chance to take a step back and focus on just themselves. Anyhow, I hope at the end of this crisis (whenever that may be) they get that connection re-established. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:19:03 -0800 >I'll ask, "checking" in what sense? Talking about her fears with Scott? >Or something more? My main question is, however, is it the fact that it >was *Scott* that has everybody so steamed? No, what she did was, AFTER Kevin told her that, NO, he was NOT with Eve all night (she accused him of "pulling an all-nighter with Eve), that he had gone to Scott's to discuss the possibility of hypnotizing Serena and then to the library to reasearch methods of hypnotyzing children, she then turned around and had Scott confirm it. They had a fight -- though not the kind of good, meaningful fights that they used to have, the kind that spurred progress in their relationship -- and he stormed out. The fact that she didn't trust him when he told her where he was and that she then went to someone else (and the fact that it was Scott was probably mostly incidental) for confirmation was what bothered me (and I suspect a few others). >Lucy doesn't see the trust that both she and Kevin placed in their >relationship as outweighing that more general loyalty to a friend. >she doesn't always comprehend "Kevin and Lucy" as a unit. Agreed. I think that is the difference between now and then. It used to be Kevin who was in that position (when he used to share things with Felicia), but Lucy really pushed him HARD to break him of that habit. Kevin hasn't been as forceful as Lucy was in that regard. He's also not as tencious as she was. How many times did Kevin, in total sincerety, try to get rid of Lucy in the beginning? There were more than a few occasions when, either overtly, or by virtue of his actions he kept as much distance between them as possible. She didn't back down, though. Not once. I think the problem is that when Lucy gets upset about him pushing, he tends to back down. He would rather keep her from getting upset in the short term, inspite of the potential benefit in the long-term. And that is the exact opposite of the way Lucy used to handle this. And face it, if Lucy hadn't been such a pitbull, they wouldn't be together now. They never would have gotten together in the beginning and they wouldn't have survived his Mental Meltdown. >it too much (or unfair, or even hypocritical?) to ask Lucy to go against >her word when a friend asks her not to tell Kevin? Well, *I* don't think so, but obviously Lucy disagrees. I think the case of Serena's kidnapping, though, was very different than things like the Joe Scully mess. Serena's kidnapping was for very personal, dangerous stakes. And they were things that Kevin understood. Scully was, essentially, revenge -- argueably petty. And she kept Kevin ENTIRELY in the dark. >>Botom line: where Scott was concerned, Lucy did >>exactly what she wanted to, and Kevin apologized for objecting. > >True, true, absolutely true. And still true, in a lot of ways. Unfortunately. And I think that is the biggest problem with the fact that the "emotional fog" discussion never got back around to delaing with Scott. Scott IS an issue. Aside from his and Lucy's past relationship (which is still), the way that Scott treats most of the people around hi is also an issue. Kevin tells Scott to shut up or "butt out!" (yay!!), but Lucy doens't. She puts up with his crap and I can CERTAINLY understand why that makes Kevin nuts. And I HATE that they haven't dealt with that at ALL. >A better person, I would argue, but her _modus operandi_ remains >the essentially the same. OK, that I can agree with. And from that POV then her "backsliding" isn't as bad as my gut reaction was making it out to be. I still hate it, though. >However, I would be tempted to use the epithet "backsliding" regarding her >relationship to Kevin, given how brutally, emotionally honest they both had >to be with one another during and after the Meltdown. Agreed. There was so much progress, no matter how painful, during that storyline that the "normal" stuff now DEFINITELY looks like backsliding. >Serena vs. Scott. On GH, a blow-up was usually the catalyst for hard >truths (and a make-out session, which I admit I also miss ). So far, >all we've had time for are hit and run squabbles. And *that*, I hate. Agreed. That was why I disliked the fight last week. Even though they both blew off some steam, neither of them actually SAID what they needed to say. And neither one of them faught for the other one to HEAR what that was. It was too easy and too unresolved. Taiyin "How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:33:10 -0500 Rika wrote: >The bad part was that she checked Kevin's story with Scott, >to find out if Kevin had lied to her about where he was >all night. Ahhh. Definitely not so cool an action on Miss Lucy's part, then. >Well said, and I don't think she has ever understood that it's more >complicated than that. Which is, of course, the main issue behind most of this. It's easy to *say* things should be b&w, but they never are. It's always complicated. Of course, it worries me that I've spent this much time contemplating the intricacies of a fictional couple's relationship . >She could have told Scott, "No, I won't keep >this secret from Kevin," and then stood firm. Good observation. I sincerely hope that Lucy gets to this point, someday. It hurts me to see her hurt Kevin by not doing it. >Anyhow, I hope at the end of this crisis (whenever >that may be) they get that connection re-established. Amen, sister! ;) --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:54:29 -0500 Taiyin wrote: >They had a fight -- though not the kind of good, meaningful fights that >they used to have, the kind that spurred progress in their relationship -- >and he stormed out. Which is probably the best summary of "then vs. now" on that front! >He would rather keep her from getting upset in the >short term, inspite of the potential benefit in the long-term. >And that is the exact opposite of the way Lucy used to handle this. And Kevin does tend to take the emotional stress more to heart. Remember his absolute impotent frustration after some fights, when he'd be clenching his hands and yelling after she'd left, or trashing the Lighthouse? Lucy has generally let it slide off her back more. >And face it, if Lucy hadn't been such a pitbull, they wouldn't be together >now. They never would have gotten together in the beginning and they >wouldn't have survived his Mental Meltdown. Me too! Absolutely true. >>it too much (or unfair, or even hypocritical?) to ask Lucy to go against >>her word when a friend asks her not to tell Kevin? > >Well, *I* don't think so, but obviously Lucy disagrees. I do think so, in some ways, but I'm speaking from a relationship where we generally aren't in this position (on a mundane level, I mean, not a high-stakes-multimillion-dollar-company-hijacking-surrogate-mom-facing-kidna ppers-etc level). But I think Rika's comment is dead on--Lucy should have told Scott up front that she wouldn't keep it from Kevin. *Particularly* given the way they reintroduced Scott, trying to keep Serena away from the unknown quantity of the former shrink/stalker. --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:03:22 -0800 At 06:54 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Cagey wrote: > >And Kevin does tend to take the emotional stress more to heart. Remember >his absolute impotent frustration after some fights, when he'd be clenching >his hands and yelling after she'd left, or trashing the Lighthouse? Lucy >has generally let it slide off her back more. Which was the ONLY reason that she could come back for more, IMO, when he was SO uninterested in being emotionally honest with her in the beginning. I think if she had let it get to her as much as Kevin did (not that I honestly believe that type of thing is a "choice" -- only emotionally controlled people can say that, and I most CERTAINLY don't qualify), then one of those times that she stormed out of the lighthouse (and really, HOW many times were there?) she would have just kept going and never looked back. It was the fact that she could detach herself, at least a little (and less and less as time went on) that she was able to go back, after they'd both calmed down, and force him to deal with her and to come to some sort of resolution. That's been seriously lacking for a long time -- probably *since* he was recovering from his Mental Meltdown, even before they moved to PC. >I do think so, in some ways, but I'm speaking from a relationship where we >generally aren't in this position (on a mundane level, I mean, not a >high-stakes-multimillion-dollar-company-hijacking-surrogate-mom-facing-kidna >ppers-etc level). Actually, what you and Rika said was more what I meant. I don't think she should share Luke and Laura's relationship troubles with Kevin after Luke asks her to keep them to himself. I agree, though, that she should have told Scott, point blank, that she does NOT keep secrets from Kevin -- ESPECIALLY when they are things that could affect her own safety. And if Scott insisted on cutting her out of the plan, then she'd have to deal with that. But she should put her foot down with Scott (in more ways than one) and then stick to it. Taiyin "How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never had the chance to play when I was a kid?" -- Kevin to Lucy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eblood@xmission.com Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:25:26 +0000 On 1/27/98, Rika wrote > To me, the changes in Lucy since the old days have to do with her motives, > not her methods. Nowadays, I believe that she genuinely tries to do the > right thing in every situation. Her heart is in the right place and her > intentions are nearly always good, and in those areas she has changed a > LOT. The current situation is a perfect example. She's not scamming Rex > to steal his money or destroy his life on a whim, as she once might have > done. She's doing it to protect a child she loves. Often Kevin is too passive and analyttical, so I don't always mind Lucy's methods--they're often the right approach. Her main flaw, in my eyes, is self absorbtion and I think this has been a constant (character-wise). Takee the Serena situation. Her primarry motive is commendable; but SHE wants to be the one to save Serena, which is why she rejected any other plan and why she was so surprised at people's reaction to the Cayman photo fiasco. Lucy has fast forwarded to the moment she's proclaimed a hero and isn't thinking of tthe consequences of the here and now. Far worse than this is the power play with Rex. Rex is using her to strengthen his case and she hasn't gained any ground. Why can't she just conceed defeat and think of a new plan? Yes, time is running out and she is worried about Serena but it's partly because she likes to win. Lucy has many good intentions in this story line, but her bad ones all seem to do with ego. Anne B eblood@xmission.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Saker" Subject: Re: Re: K&L: Lucy getting a taste of her own medicine Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:42:25 PST anne b wrote: >Takee the Serena situation. Her primarry motive is commendable; but >SHE wants to be the one to save Serena, which is why she rejected >any other plan and why she was so surprised at people's reaction to >the Cayman photo fiasco. Lucy has fast forwarded to the moment >she's proclaimed a hero and isn't thinking of tthe consequences of >the here and now. hmmmm....i can definitely see where that view would come from, but i don't think it's as bad as all that. i don't think lucy is out to be the hero as much as she is out to be INVOLVED. she very definitely CAN'T just sit on the sidelines--in almost ANY situation, but ESPECIALLY one where serena is involved. also, in this case i think she felt it was vital to come up with a plan and get intimately involved in every phase of it, because she was worried that SCOTT'S plan, were he left to his own devices, would be to spirit serena out of the country, in which case lucy would never see her again. i think her primary motivation, other than ending this whole mess, is to prevent THAT from happening. not that i wouldn't say "self-absorbed" is a pretty accurate description of lucy! but in this case i think her motivation is based on a lot more than pure ego. and cagey wrote: >But I think Rika's comment is dead on--Lucy should have >told Scott up front that she wouldn't keep it from Kevin. >*Particularly* given the way they reintroduced Scott, trying to keep >Serena away from the unknown quantity of the former shrink/stalker. well, i agree THAT part was particularly despicable. however, if we're talking about lucy keeping kevin in the dark about the ransom scheme, i can SORT OF understand where she was coming from there. remember, the kidnapper at the time seemed to know all sorts of things that nobody else knew (including that kevin had sold a painting to buy lucy her engagement ring). given that degree of surveillance, i don't think it was out of line to want to have as few people involved as possible. so at the time, it almost made sense to me. however, given their recent ingenuity when it comes to finding places to meet and talk secretly, it looks kind of ridiculous! julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: The new SOM Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:17:06 -0500 If you haven't seen the Feb. 3 Soap Opera Magazine, RUN, do not walk, to the store to buy it! There is a wonderful profile on Jon Lindstrom - possibly the best one I've ever read. You'll also find his comments on Lynn Latham, and on his storylines (or lack thereof) since PC started, interesting, I think. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: K&L: Sweeps? Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:42:34 -0600 When are the exact dates they consider sweeps? Going on vacation soon and with my luck I'll be off somewhere and miss all the good stuff (supposing that there will actually be some). Thanks Debi -- --------------------------------------------------------- Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "Come Visit" --------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Little soap fun. Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:25:04 -0800 (PST) At 11:58 PM 1/24/98 -0600, you wrote: > This is where you all get to come in if you so desire. I'm looking for >ideas on other scenes that can be spoofed or commented on. Hmmmm. You could go with solid soap cliches. Like twins are invariable one good, one evil. Psychiatrists go nuts, mobsters don't traffic in drugs or prostitution, everyone is a model or could be one, and most people had a kid/spouse/addiction in their past that only pops up at the most inconvenient moments . > and maybe even the creation of a drinking game for Port >Charles focusing on everyone's favorite shrink, businesswoman, and duck. Isn't there a GH drinking game? I thought every fandom had one ;) --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Kevin... and Snotty Date: 30 Jan 1998 18:36:11 -0800 Kevin gets thrity seconds in two days, JUST so he can h*lp Scott be a TOTAL MORON on yet ANOTHER twist in this storyline to prolong it even MORE. ARGH! Have I mentioned lately that Scott should be smacked? Hard? Repeatedly? And then Kevin should get a STORYLINE. But he should be the one to smack Scott. After I finish with him. Taiyin "In the meantime, it's not so bad you're in custody, maybe it'll keep you out of more trouble." -- Lee to Scott - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin... and Snotty Date: 30 Jan 1998 22:09:28 -0500 At 06:36 PM 1/30/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >Kevin gets thrity seconds in two days, JUST so he can h*lp Scott be a TOTAL >MORON on yet ANOTHER twist in this storyline to prolong it even MORE. I'm not sure if you wrote this before or after seeing today's (Friday's) show. Heaven knows I had the same reaction to Wednesday's show, along with Kevin's non-appearance on Thursday. Today, though, Kevin didn't have that bad of a day for a change. There's hope that we'll see him actually being a shrink (with Joe Scanlon), and he had THE best line in a scene with Conklin. But Scott still looked like a total moron. Some things never change. >Have I mentioned lately that Scott should be smacked? Hard? Repeatedly? If you haven't, it's about time somebody did! It occurred to me that everybody's worried about Joe Scanlon and his temper - to the point of Ellen ordering him to spend time with Kevin (hey, at least that means a few scenes for Kevin that don't involve Scott). But from what I can see, Joe isn't one tenth as volatile as Scott. >And then Kevin should get a STORYLINE. In a heck of a hurry. >But he should be the one to smack Scott. Several times. Hard. >After I finish with him. I'll hold him down. >"In the meantime, it's not so bad you're in custody, >maybe it'll keep you out of more trouble." -- Lee to Scott That was a GREAT line! Rika "Agent Conklin, SHUT UP!" ---- Kevin, 1/30/98 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 30 Jan 1998 22:18:10 -0500 Should I keep posting these? I have an e-mail pal who stays up to date on spoilers from a wide variety of sources. Right now, with sweeps about to start, she's really keeping close watch. I figured y'all might like it if I passed on the ones relevant to Kevin and Lucy. But if most of you have other sources for this information and would prefer that I stop posting these, I will. Anyway, this one offers a bit of amplification about a spoiler I posted last week. F E B R U A R Y I S C O M I N G S O O N There had been a spoiler indicating that "Lucy has to fight for her life." It sounds like it could be some sort of medical crisis. Here's what I got today (it's from the ABCJoanne of AOL and the ABC Web site, so some of you may have seen it): "Meanwhile, in a terrible twist of fate, Lucy (Lynn Herring) is left fighting for her life. Her friends rally around her as the interns race against time to save her." Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jill Kirby Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 30 Jan 1998 21:39:24 -0600 (CST) At 10:18 PM 1/30/98 -0500, Rika wrote: >F >E >B >R >U >A >R >Y > >I >S > >C >O >M >I >N >G > >S >O >O >N >"Meanwhile, in a terrible twist of fate, Lucy (Lynn Herring) is left fighting >for her life. Her friends rally around her as the interns race against time >to save her." From a commercial I saw today, it looks like some kind of car crash. Jill Jill Kirby ~~ jtkirby@mcs.com ~~ www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/4107 NatPack ~~ ABotCoS ~~ NP4 ~~ Dreamer/Minstrel Isn't it nice to know that we can warp reality to suit our own means at any time? --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jessica Thompson" Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 30 Jan 1998 11:58:52 -0800 > >"Meanwhile, in a terrible twist of fate, Lucy (Lynn Herring) is left fighting > >for her life. Her friends rally around her as the interns race against time > >to save her." > > >From a commercial I saw today, it looks like some kind of car crash. I'm pretty sure that in the commercial airing during GH today that it was Karen who was getting in the car accident (I read a scoop that she drives off a cliff during the snow storm while going after Gail who has run off with Serena). From the looks of the commercial it seemed as if Lucy was caught in some type of small explosion. Kevin yelled "Lucy, No!" and then there was an explosion on screen. I wish I could find out more though. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eblood@xmission.com Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 00:11:07 +0000 I tried to send this once already but it did not seem to take so I'll try again.. S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E On 1/30/98, Jessica Thompson wrote: > I'm pretty sure that in the commercial airing during GH today that it was > Karen who was getting in the car accident (I read a scoop that she drives > off a cliff during the snow storm while going after Gail who has run off > with Serena). From the looks of the commercial it seemed as if Lucy was > caught in some type of small explosion. Kevin yelled "Lucy, No!" and then > there was an explosion on screen. I wish I could find out more though. > Ugh, this is one of the two things I was afraid of when I first read the "Lucy fights for her life" spoilers. I absolutely hate for Lucy to be a victim, even a physical one. I think one of the reasons I'm so fond of the character is because she's one of the few female characters that avoids this role. I also think this sounds too much like the end of Joe Scully and Madame Maia storylines--Lucy is hurt, so she and Kevin don't deal with these problems; there's no soul-searching on Lucy's part. I'm also afraid that Kevin's mind games with Rex will lead to the explosion. Then again, having Kevin witness another loved one in an explosion should be interesting, if the writers remember his past, that is. Anne B eblood@xmission.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jessica Thompson" Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 30 Jan 1998 13:39:21 -0800 ---------- > I also think this sounds too much like the end of Joe Scully and > Madame Maia storylines--Lucy is hurt, so she and Kevin don't deal > with these problems; there's no soul-searching on Lucy's part. I totally agree with you on this! Though I love any and all 'reaffirmation of their love' scenes between Lucy and Kevin they do tend to lead to avoidance of what the issues were to begin with. > I'm also afraid that Kevin's mind games with Rex will lead to the > explosion. Then again, having Kevin witness another loved one in an > explosion should be interesting, if the writers remember his past, > that is. Wow, I hadn't even thought of that! It sounds so right on to me. That would be a great storyline. In the commercial it almost looked like Lucy was opening a safe or something and that is what exploded. It is totally plausible to me that Kevin will try to lure Rex into such a trap and then Lucy will inadvertantly become the victim. That would explain why he was yelling NO so adamently, like she was about to do something that he knew would hurt her. That possibility makes me really excited. That may sound morbid but I see awesome potential in that particular storyline twist-- with Kevin bearing all this guilt as Lucy's life hangs in the balance. And of course she will come to and they will get back to 'normal' :) I also agree with you that his past could definitely come into play so far as the explosion would be concerned. I hope the writers don't drop the ball on that one. I am really getting excited for the upcoming events on PC, I hope they all pan out! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AtorEagle@aol.com Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 02:42:23 EST Spoiler space / / / / // / // / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / The explosion that we see in the comercial isn't part of the Kevin/Lucy/Rex story. From what I've read it's going to be part of the Matt story. Melissa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jessica Thompson" Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 00:59:20 -0800 > The explosion that we see in the comercial isn't part of the Kevin/Lucy/Rex > story. From what I've read it's going to be part of the Matt story. Can you tell me exactly what you've read because I really wonder about that since the only storyline featured in the commercial at all is the Kevin/Rex/Scott/Lucy one. And it is definitely a woman's hand opening the safe (or whatever it is exactly which explodes). By the way, when I just watched the commercial again I noticed a definite trace of facial hair on Kevin (when he was in the courtroom awaiting Scott's sentencing) Always a sexy sign of depression :) It may be shallow but I love that man with a goatee! Anyway, upon looking closer I did realize that Lucy was standing with the duck in her hands when Kevin yelled "Lucy, No", so this explosion (whoever it may concern) appears to occur at a different time. I look forward to it all regardless. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AtorEagle@aol.com Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 04:06:33 EST space / / / / / / / / / / / / << > The explosion that we see in the comercial isn't part of the Kevin/Lucy/Rex > story. From what I've read it's going to be part of the Matt story. Can you tell me exactly what you've read because I really wonder about that since the only storyline featured in the commercial at all is the Kevin/Rex/Scott/Lucy one. >> From what I've read Matt is involved in some kind of explosion in a hotel room and ends up in a hospital (other than GH). I think the explosion was added to the comercial for dramatic effect, even though it's not part of the main story in the comercial. Melissa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eblood@xmission.com Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 09:30:39 +0000 S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E On 1/30/98, Jessica Thompson wrote: > Wow, I hadn't even thought of that! It sounds so right on to me. That > would be a great storyline. In the commercial it almost looked like Lucy > was opening a safe or something and that is what exploded. It is totally > plausible to me that Kevin will try to lure Rex into such a trap and then > Lucy will inadvertantly become the victim. That would explain why he was > yelling NO so adamently, like she was about to do something that he knew > would hurt her. (stuff deleted) When I said that Kevin might be responsible for Lucy's accident, I was thinking more along the lines of him driving Rex to hurt somebody and that person accidently becoming Lucy--since they called it a "twist of fate", implying that Lucy wasn't the intended victim. I guess I don't see Kevin as a killer. That's one of the main reasons Felicia's alive today (the other reason being Lucy). But who know's how the writers interprete Kevin. Then Melissa wrote: > The explosion that we see in the comercial isn't part of the > Kevin/Lucy/Rex story. From what I've read it's going to be part of > the Matt story. Ok, new speculation. Lucy's brush with death will have something to do with the poisoned vitamins the writers won't let us forget about. It could even be that the "psychological confrontation where the stakes are literally life and death" between Rex and Kevin deals with Kevin trying to find out what untraceable poison Rex used. That way even Kevin's trying to break Rex is more a matter of self-defense. Anne B eblood@xmission.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 08:48:19 -0800 (PST) >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > Jessica wrote: >It is totally plausible to me that Kevin will >try to lure Rex into such a trap and then Lucy will >inadvertantly become the victim. and Anne replied: >I guess I don't see Kevin as a killer. That's one of >the main reasons Felicia's alive today (the other >reason being Lucy). But who know's how the writers >interprete Kevin. I'm not sure that Jessica meant a fatal trap, but I'd have to agree--I would have a hard time seeing Kevin setting up any sort of physical trap. He's not a Cassadine, or a Spencer, after all . Seriously, I really miss the days when he could spar verbally with Damian. That was always Kevin's m.o., imo, to wage psychological war rather than literal. Personally, I'd really really love to see Kevin and Lucy get married on the sly before this proposed wedding to Rex. --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Sweeps spoiler/ADMIN Date: 31 Jan 1998 08:59:02 -0800 (PST) Rika asked: >Should I keep posting these? Yes, please. For soaps, I like spoilers. Let's me know whether I should pay attention or not . Of course, I do remember from the days when I actually bought soap magazines, that one must take everything with a large dose of salt. On an ADMIN note, everybody's been great about including spoiler space lately. Don't forget that you must have characters (ie letters, //'s, or other dohickeys) and not spaces or periods as your spoiler space--some mailers don't pay attention to the latter. Also, if you reply to a note that is a spoiler but doesn't have spoiler space, *you* are responsible for adding space in your reply. Thanks! --kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jessica Thompson" Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 10:26:00 -0800 S P O I L E R S P A C E ! ! ! ! > >From what I've read Matt is involved in some kind of explosion in a hotel room > and ends up in a hospital (other than GH). I think the explosion was added to > the comercial for dramatic effect, even though it's not part of the main story > in the comercial. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. They have been known to do that from time to time. I still really want to know what it is that is going to put Lucy's life in danger. It's driving me crazy not knowing! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jessica Thompson" Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler Date: 31 Jan 1998 10:30:36 -0800 > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > Ok, new speculation. Lucy's brush with death will have something > to do with the poisoned vitamins the writers won't let us forget > about. It could even be that the "psychological confrontation where > the stakes are literally life and death" between Rex and Kevin deals > with Kevin trying to find out what untraceable poison Rex used. That > way even Kevin's trying to break Rex is more a matter of > self-defense. > > Anne B This is a good idea. Very plausible to. I had forgotten about that whole pill fiasco. It seemed as if they were going to go somewhere with it and then changed their mind and got rid of the whole thing by having Rex change his mind. It is very possible that they could bring that back though. Maybe this not knowing is a good thing. It's been a long time since I actually been in suspense when watching a soap due to all the spoilers. Though I think I still would really rather find out what exactly is going to happen-- when it comes to Kevin and Lucy I like to be able to prepare myself. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Speaking of spoilers.... Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:06:38 -0500 It's been fun reading all the speculation about the stuff we still don't know about sweeps! But I had some news in e-mail today that.... well.... I D O N ' T L I K E T H I S S P O I L E R That scoop I reported on Tuesday or so - that Rex and Lucy would indeed become husband and wife - has also showed up in SPW. They report that Kevin is too late to stop the wedding. Not only that, but I've heard that Rex kidnaps someone "near and dear to Lucy's heart" in order to manipulate her. Putting it together with stuff from the promo (which I still haven't seen, but which some of you have described - THANK YOU!), I think it has to be Sigmund. I have but one thing to say. Rex Stanton is TOAST. Rika, who just got home from seeing "Titanic" and who still can't stop shivering - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Blushing Dream Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:42:24 -0500 And it's the transcript of the week. I think we need some of this light romantic comedy to balance out what sounds like it will be a very tense month for Kevin and Lucy on PC! Enjoy - Rika ------------------------ KEVIN, LUCY, AND BLUSHING DREAM - early October, 1994 I'm not sure if this one counts as a failed lovemaking attempt or not. Lucy would probably say it does; Kevin would probably disagree. I'll be conservative and not count it. It's the day after the Night of the Mussels. Kevin is in his office. He hears a knock and, with his back to the door, he calls out: K: "Come in - you're right on time." (Lucy enters, carrying a small bag.) L: "Oh, really? Are you psychic? Ah! Psychic - psychiatrist - psychic - psychiatrist. I get it." K: "Lucy, this is the middle of my work day." L: "It happens to be mine too. I was sitting at my desk, and I couldn't stop thinking about you, itching and scratching and itching and scratching. And suddenly I remembered this." (Lucy pulls a jar of cream out of the bag, opens it, and dips her finger into the jar.) K: "Whatever it is, no, thank you." L: "It's called Blushing Dream, and it happens to be one of Deception's best-selling products. It has a lot of aloe in it, and it is wonderful for hives." K: "My hives are subsiding nicely, thank you." L: "Really?" K: "Mmmm." L: "Let me see." (She pulls Kevin's shirt tails out and lifts up his shirt.) K: "No, hey, Lucy!" (Kevin glances nervously towards his office door. Lucy, ignoring Kevin's objections, begins to apply Blushing Dream to his chest.) L: "Let me see. Look, I have been reading up - oh, look at this -" K: (trying to jerk away) "Ow, it's cold!" (Lucy continues to rub Blushing Dream on his chest; Kevin continues to back away, until he finally backs into his couch. He sits down; Lucy crouches in front of him, smearing away.) L: "I have been reading up on hives, and what it tells me is that a massive allergic reaction like that that you had to mussels, I mean, it really is usually not the norm. If you're having that and you've never had it before, it could mean that you have this deep-seated emotional conflict going on." K: "Sometimes an allergy is just an allergy." L: "No, Kevin, I really think this could be a very big breakthrough for you." (Bobbie enters Kevin's office without knocking; neither Kevin nor Lucy notices her at the moment.) K: "Will you stop analyzing me, and stop smearing that stuff on me! It smells like putrefied orchids!" (Kevin notices Bobbie. Lacking a hole to dive into, he has no choice but to deal with his mortification head-on.) K: "Bobbie!" B: "Should I come back later?" K: "Lucy was just leaving." (Kevin pulls his shirt down, stands up, and all but runs across the room to his desk.) B: "I'm sorry; I thought you were expecting me." L: "Kevin, is *she* your next patient?" (Kevin glares at Lucy in a silent threat which she blithely ignores.) L: "Bobbie, do you really think this is such a good idea? I mean, I do think it's very admirable that you want to delve into your subconscious. I mean, anybody knows Damian could muddle anybody's brain, not to mention short-circuit anybody's emotions. But if this is about your marriage, do you think that it's wise to seek advice from a bachelor? I mean, that's kind of like going to Godzilla and asking about table manners...... Where did that weird analogy come from?" K: "Your fevered brain. Out, out, out!" L: "I am going, I'm going. Oh, Bobbie, by the way, this cream I have, it really is - it's called Blushing Dream, you should get some, because those little fine lines around your eyes - Look, do you want some free advice? Take the money that you're about to dump here on Dr. Freud and go out and buy yourself a sexy little outfit, a nice bottle of wine, and invite Tony over for a late- night supper while Lucas is asleep. And, by the way, do not serve smoked mussels, they're really not - " (Kevin has had enough. He strides over, opens the door, and propels Lucy through it.) L: "What, don't, don't, I am going myself - don't push!" (Lucy is gone. Kevin turns to Bobbie) K: "I'd apologize but I can't seem to get a word in edgewise." (Lucy opens the door and leans into the room.) L: "Oh, I will be back." (Kevin shoves the door closed.) K: "Sorry. Have a seat. I'd urge you to ignore Lucy but I realize that's rather like trying to ignore an avalanche." A therapy session ensues. When it ends, Bobbie goes out into the hall, where Lucy has apparently been waiting for her. L: "Why is it that some women just don't feel complete without a man?" B: "Are you just figuring that out for yourself?" L: "First you take Tony away from me and then you let Damian seduce you. And now you're going to lie on Kevin's couch and bare your soul, and God knows what else, and he won't be able to resist, right? Wrong. Find yourself another victim, because this one is mine. You got that? Mine, mine, mine." B: "I'm due on rounds." Bobbie walks off. Lucy turns around and finds to her dismay that Kevin is standing in his office doorway; clearly he overheard Lucy's warning to Bobbie. He says nothing, but points into his office; Lucy reluctantly walks towards him, and he gives her a little push through the door. K: "Mine, mine, mine? Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine mine?" L: (cringing) "Did I say that?" K: "What am I to you, Lucy? A toy shovel in the sandbox of your life?" L: "No, no. I can honestly say I have never thought of you as a shovel." K: "That exchange in the hallway was very revealing. It was also very cruel." (Kevin retreats behind his desk.) L: "Oh, come on - Bobbie has the hide of an armadillo. It's just - I want you to watch out for her. She can turn on the waterworks at the drop of a hat and get her mascara all running. She's very manipulative, trust me." K: "No, trust me. Yes, I know, a novel concept. Lucy, you don't always have to defend your territory with your fangs bared." (It's interesting that he's more or less acknowledging that Lucy *does* have a legitimate proprietary interest in him.) L: "That is a lousy analogy, because a territory doesn't have free choice." K: "That was good. I'm very impressed. Now, why can't you be this intelligent all the time?" (Kevin sits in his chair. Lucy slowly walks around behind his desk.) L: "Because, because somehow, where you're concerned, my intelligence runs way behind my id." (Lucy kneels next to Kevin's chair and strokes his neck and cheek.) K: "Oh, right when I'm about to give up, you become disarmingly honest." L: "Well, I'm always honest - that's my problem." (Kevin leans forward, on the verge of kissing Lucy, but he stops himself. He gets up out of his chair and moves to his second- choice retreat - the credenza with the water pitcher. He pours a glass of water.) L: "Well, it is. I mean, think about it. I was just very honest with Bobbie. She didn't want to hear it, and neither did you." K: "Bobbie is consulting with me on a professional basis." L: "I know. Well, ha, there you go, that's the problem there, isn't it?" (Lucy lies down on Kevin's couch) "She is going to lie here on this couch and she is going to reveal herself to you, open up and feel wonderfully vulnerable. And there you'll be, sitting there, staring at her, all wise and sympathetic and sexy and - " (Lucy stands up and walks over to Kevin.) L: "Look at yourself - I wish you could see yourself! You just, somehow, I don't know how you do it, but you exude understanding. Those dark, brooding eyes and that incredibly sexy craggy, romantic jaw, and.... Don't you see that when I first realized how attracted I am to you, and I'm just afraid Bobbie is going to react in the same way. It drives me crazy!" (Kevin's expression during this speech has been a wonderful mixture of embarrassment and pleasure, partially hidden beneath a desperate resolve to maintain a poker face.) K: "Oh, take my word for it - your reactions are unique." (He starts to walk away from her, but she stops him, grabbing his arm. He turns to face her.) L: "Okay, then, let's try a little experiment." (Lucy starts to unbutton Kevin's shirt.) K: "This is inappropriate." L: "On the contrary." K: "Lucy, remember what you said about your id taking control?" L: "Oh, I do, I do, I do, and my id is just singing right now. How about yours?" Lucy kisses Kevin's mouth, and then moves along his cheek and down to his neck. He's wearing that, 'Oh, no, I'm doomed' expression. When we rejoin them, Lucy is still kissing Kevin's face and neck, and the two of them are having a contest to see if Lucy can unbutton his shirt faster than he can rebutton it. In between kisses, Lucy gets out the words: L: "You can't tell me that you have never, ever fantasized about making love on your couch." K: "Lucy, if everyone went around fulfilling their fantasies - " L: "Well, then, they wouldn't be frustrated, would they? And you might be out of business. That's why you're feeling so threatened!" K: "I am not in the least threatened!" L: "Well, then stop buttoning your buttons!" K: "No, you stop imitating an octopus. Lucy, stop it - that is enough!" Kevin grabs Lucy's shoulders; he finally gets her attention, and she stops unbuttoning his shirt. They stare at each other for a long moment, after which Kevin pulls her into his arms and begins to kiss her passionately. L: "Holy mackerel! Your id is not only singing - it's doing 'Aida'!" (More kisses.) K: "Now that I have your attention." L: "Oh, doctor, you do." K: "You are by far the most - " (he intended this to be a lecture, but his tone changes) "complex, intriguing, sexy woman..." (Kevin grabs her jacket lapels and pulls her in for another kiss, but Lucy stops him.) L: "Wait." (She runs over to lock his office door.) K: "Is that to keep people from getting in, or me from getting out?" L: "Both. Where were we?" (Kevin remembers. He grabs her lapels again and starts kissing her.) K: "Lucy, have you ever entertained the notion of delayed gratification?" L: "No, never." (Lucy rains kisses on Kevin's face, neck, and mouth.) K: "Of course not - it's an adult thing." L: "I am fully mature." K: "Yeah, and don't I know it." L: "You know, I don't think you've ever entertained the notion of gratification. Your self-control is bordering on insult." K: "Au contraire. It's a testament to the great respect that I feel for you." L: "Oh, please. Doctor, I want your body. I don't want your respect, who needs your respect?" (Lucy takes Kevin by the hand and leads him over in the general direction of the couch.) K: "You do, and you have it. Only you keep trying to rid me of things so - inhibiting." (Lucy strokes Kevin's chest, her hands under his mostly-unbuttoned shirt.) L: "Can't I have both? Can't I have your body and your respect?" K: "So delicately put." L: "Well, it's really hard to be delicate when my id is going absolutely beserk. Now, are you, or are you not, going to ravish me?" (Lucy reclines seductively on the couch as she asks this.) K: "I thought you were ravishing me." L: "Oh, who cares? Ravishee, ravisher, ravishee. Toss a coin." K: "I'll toss a salad." (Lucy tosses a throw pillow - hey, how appropriate :} - at Kevin and gets up off the couch.) L: "What? That's very funny. You don't understand what you have here. If you keep suppressing all this sexual energy, you are going to have another Chernobyl on your hands." K: "That sounds promising. Listen. I suggest, after the salad, a roast duck, with one of those crisp Chardonnays you like so much, followed by a grapefruit sorbet." (You've gotta love a guy who can plan a menu like that on the spur of the moment.) L: "You stop sublimating. Let's talk sex. No, better yet, let's have sex." K: "All good things come to those with a modicum of patience, Lucy. Now, let's say, my house, seven thirty? I can offer a much more conducive environment to the exploration of.... Chernobyl." L: "Oh. Okay. No mussels?" K: "No mussels." L: "Promise?" K: "Trust me." L: "Oh, are we back to that again? Okay. I will work on it." (Lucy moves in for another kiss. Afterwards, she pulls back reluctantly.) L: "Seven thirty?" K: "Mmmm hmmm." (Lucy heaves a sigh and grabs her purse, heading for the door. She unlocks it and pauses.) L: "No mussels." K: "No mussels." (After one more frustrated stare at Kevin, she leaves; he watches her go. She pauses outside the door to collect herself.) L: "Oh, boy!" And that's all! -