From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin... and Snotty
Date: 01 Feb 1998 20:15:23 -0800

At 10:09 PM 1/30/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
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>I'm not sure if you wrote this before or after seeing today's (Friday's)
>show.  

Before.

>Heaven knows I had the same reaction to Wednesday's show, along with
>Kevin's non-appearance on Thursday.  

<grrrrrrrrr>

>Today, though, Kevin didn't have that
>bad of a day for a change.  There's hope that we'll see him actually being
>a shrink (with Joe Scanlon), and he had THE best line in a scene with
Conklin.

No kidding.  My sister just moved up here and is crashing with me until we
can find a place, so as we go through the ep I keep having to stop and
catch her up on any missing backstory, and when that came up she looked at
me like I was a loon (which she actually does rather frequently... I wonder
why? <g>) because I started squealing:  "He gets to be a shrink again!!!!"

>But Scott still looked like a total moron.  Some things never change.

To quote our favorite shrink:  "Well DUH!"  Giads, he's such a putz.

>If you haven't, it's about time somebody did!  It occurred to me that
>everybody's worried about Joe Scanlon and his temper - to the point of
>Ellen ordering him to spend time with Kevin (hey, at least that means a few
>scenes for Kevin that don't involve Scott).  But from what I can see, Joe
>isn't one tenth as volatile as Scott.

Not to mention the fact that at least Joe, temper or not, is maintaining
some semblance of his life.  Scott, because of his complete self-absorbed,
short-sighted stupidity has handed Rex opportunity after opportunity to
destroy his life.  Anyone that stupid deserves deserves what he gets.

>>And then Kevin should get a STORYLINE.
>
>In a heck of a hurry.

Like yesterday.

>>But he should be the one to smack Scott.
>
>Several times.  Hard.

With a blunt object.

>>After I finish with him.
>
>I'll hold him down.

Then we'll trade before handing him off to Kevin.

>>"In the meantime, it's not so bad you're in custody, 
>>maybe it'll keep you out of more trouble." -- Lee to Scott
>
>That was a GREAT line!

And his tone was classic.

>  "Agent Conklin, SHUT UP!"
>          ---- Kevin, 1/30/98

Well, that one WAS better. <g>

Taiyin
"What did I do before I had you?"
--"You were lost and confused."
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 01 Feb 1998 17:16:13 -0500

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>> Wow, I hadn't even thought of that!  It sounds so right on to me.  That
>> would be a great storyline.  In the commercial it almost looked like Lucy
>> was opening a safe or something and that is what exploded.  It is totally
>> plausible to me that Kevin will try to lure Rex into such a trap and then
>> Lucy will inadvertantly become the victim.  That would explain why he was
>> yelling NO so adamently, like she was about to do something that he knew
>> would hurt her.  (stuff deleted)

Then Anne wrote:
>When I said that Kevin might be responsible for Lucy's  accident, I was 
>thinking more along the lines of him driving Rex to hurt somebody and 
>that person accidently becoming Lucy--since they called it a "twist 
>of fate", implying that Lucy wasn't the intended victim.   I guess I don't 
>see Kevin as a killer.

I like the sound of that.  I agree; I can't see Kevin rigging a bomb to
kill Rex or anything like that.  If he *were* to go after Rex, I think it
would be very direct and with his bare hands, like the time he throttled
Damian at Luke's.  And he would only do that under severe provocation,
though now that I think of it, he's going to be on the receiving end of
*plenty* of provocation this week.

>Then Melissa wrote:
>> The explosion that we see in the comercial isn't part of the
>> Kevin/Lucy/Rex story.  From what I've read it's going to be part of
>> the Matt story.  

That sounds right.  My take on Kevin yelling, "Lucy, NO!!!!" in the promo
was that it takes place at the wedding, and he's trying to stop Lucy from
saying, "I do."  Then, the explosion following it could be from the Matt
storyline.

Anne continued:
>Ok, new speculation.  Lucy's brush with death will have something 
>to do with the poisoned vitamins the writers won't let us forget 
>about.  It could even be that the "psychological confrontation where 
>the stakes are literally life and death" between Rex and Kevin deals 
>with Kevin trying to find out what untraceable poison Rex used.  That 
>way even Kevin's trying to break Rex is more a matter of 
>self-defense. 

Maybe so, though unless I missed some pill-switching, Lucy hasn't been
taking the poisoned pills Rex gave her.  When the mystery person broke in
and switched the pills, didn't s/he switch pills into the stress vitamin
bottle?  And didn't Lucy throw those out and replace them with other pills
of her own?

I was thinking that Kevin would arrange a gaslighting of some kind for Rex,
much like what Mac and Felicia did to Ryan, to try to get him to confess
his crimes.  The "life and death" part might result from the danger Kevin
winds up in due to Rex's reaction.  In the recent SOM interview, Jon
Lindstrom said that Lynn Latham watched old Ryan and Kevin tapes when she
took on the head writer job.  You can see some borrowing of storylines from
back then - Joe and Karen's lovemaking mishaps come right out of the 1994
Kevin/Lucy storyline arc, for example.  So maybe she is borrowing the
gaslighting idea too.

Just speculation, of course, but it's fun to try to guess!

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 01 Feb 1998 18:18:27 -0500

At 08:15 PM 2/1/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>At 10:09 PM 1/30/98 -0500, Rika wrote:

>>Heaven knows I had the same reaction to Wednesday's show,along with 
>>Kevin's non-appearance on Thursday.  
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><grrrrrrrrr>

Last night I caught up on dubbing my Kevin/Lucy tape - I hadn't done any
dubbing since before Christmas - and Kevin's lack of screen time was even
more glaring than it had been as it went by.  

Did y'all see Jon Lindstrom's remark about Kevin's non-storylines in the
SOM interview?  He said Kevin had had basically three good episodes since
PC started:  (1) the day he found out Lucy was pregnant, (2) the
miscarriage (which Jon remarked was really Lynn's show, though I cried even
harder for Kevin than for Lucy), and (3) one episode in the aftermath of
the miscarriage, which I'm guessing was the day Mac visited him.  

He seemed to think that might change due to Lynn Latham, but she's been on
board for about three months now, I think, and we're still waiting....

>No kidding.  My sister just moved up here and is crashing with me until we
>can find a place, so as we go through the ep I keep having to stop and
>catch her up on any missing backstory, and when that came up she looked at
>me like I was a loon (which she actually does rather frequently... I wonder
>why? <g>) because I started squealing:  "He gets to be a shrink again!!!!"

Okay, BUT.....  is he a shrink or isn't he?  He's been hanging out at the
hospital a lot, and the suggestion is that he's there for his own purposes,
not strictly to meet Eve or Scott.  He's getting mail at the hospital -
that's apparently where Rex sent the engagement party invitation.  He's
been wearing nice, professional-looking suits (happy sigh.... :-).  We read
that spoiler a while back that he was reinstated, but we never saw it
happen.  If he was reinstated as a psychiatrist, that is a HUGE deal, and
it shouldn't have been handled in such an offhand way.  If, OTOH, he's just
seeing people as a counselor, I suppose that might make sense, because I
think in many states you may be able to do that without a license.  

Well, like you said, at least we get to see him acting like a shrink,
whether he is a licensed one or not.  That's something to cheer about!

>>But Scott still looked like a total moron.  Some things never change.
>
>To quote our favorite shrink:  "Well DUH!"  Giads, he's such a putz.

Oh, gosh, yes - that "Well, DUH!" was wonderful.  Even that whole bit when
Lucy was checking Rex's passport for Caymans stamps made me laugh.  He
*might* have gone there himself, but the way Rex used Danielle ought to
have been a hint to them that he lets other people do his dirty work so as
to protect himself.

>Not to mention the fact that at least Joe, temper or not, is maintaining
>some semblance of his life.  Scott, because of his complete self-absorbed,
>short-sighted stupidity has handed Rex opportunity after opportunity to
>destroy his life.  Anyone that stupid deserves deserves what he gets.

Yeah.  If it weren't for poor Serena, and for the impact this trial is
having on Kevin and Lucy, I wouldn't mind if they shipped him off to Sing
Sing for good.

>>>And then Kevin should get a STORYLINE.
>>
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>Like yesterday.

He's supposedly going to be doing some stuff with Victor some time after
sweeps.  I know that wouldn't be your first choice, Taiyin, since you
didn't like the change in the story about Victor, but I'm still waiting to
hear the answer to a central question:  why did Victor leave Ryan behind
when he and Kevin left?  Kevin deserves to know that.

>>>But he should be the one to smack Scott.
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>Then we'll trade before handing him off to Kevin.

I am LIKING the sound of this.  I know a lot of people like Scott, and he
can be extremely funny at times, but in general I don't see the attraction.

>>  "Agent Conklin, SHUT UP!"
>>          ---- Kevin, 1/30/98
>
>Well, that one WAS better. <g>

I love anything that involves Kevin bellowing.  He does it so well!

Rika

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 01 Feb 1998 20:01:29 PST





Rika wrote:

>Did y'all see Jon Lindstrom's remark about Kevin's non-storylines in 
>the SOM interview?  He said Kevin had had basically three good 
>episodes since PC started:  (1) the day he found out Lucy was 
>pregnant, (2) the miscarriage (which Jon remarked was really Lynn's 
>show, though I cried even harder for Kevin than for Lucy), and (3) >one 
episode in the aftermath of the miscarriage, which I'm guessing >was the 
day Mac visited him.

The Mac scenes were good but I think the best episode in the aftermath 
of the miscarriage was the one that took place about a month later when 
Kevin and Lucy fought over Scott's treatment of her (right after 
Danielle claimed to be Serena's mother) and Kevin remarked that since 
they'd lost the baby a "polite fog" had built up between them and they 
were merely going through the motions. Kevin also had some nice scenes 
with Victor that day. Still, it's rather pathetic to think that after 
some 150+ episodes of PC and with screentime being divvied up among only 
a dozen or so contract players, Kevin's good episodes can be counted on 
one hand.    

  
>He seemed to think that might change due to Lynn Latham, but she's 
>been on board for about three months now, I think, and we're still 
>waiting....

A lot of that's probably due to the fact that the current crap that 
Kevin (and Lucy) are mired in is largely Culliton's story. Latham 
inherited it and judging from the time it's taken to wrap it up, it 
seems to me she wasn't sure what to do with it. This particular 
storyline somehow doesn't "fit" with the rest of the show, which at this 
point is exclusively Latham's work. Her forte is relationships and 
character-driven stories that are a little (or a lot) more 
reality-based. So when this Rex business is dead and buried I'm hopeful 
that we'll start to see what she can really do for Kevin and Lucy. 


>(...) at least we get to see him acting like a shrink, whether he is >a 
licensed one or not.  That's something to cheer about!

Most definitely! But I think there really needs to be some explanation 
about what *exactly* he is doing at the hospital all the time? I know 
it's a convenient place for the writers to have the characters 
congregate but as far as I know there was never any mention of him 
counselling anyone other than the interns and so far only Eve (and now 
Joe) seem to have taken him up on it. As for that erroneous scoop about 
him being reinstated we can only hope that the writers decided to put it 
off until the current story is over.



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From: Listowner <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:16:23 -0800

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> Karen who was getting in the car accident (I read a scoop that she drives
> off a cliff during the snow storm while going after Gail who has run off
> with Serena).  From the looks of the commercial it seemed as if Lucy was
> caught in some type of small explosion.  Kevin yelled "Lucy, No!" and then
> there was an explosion on screen.  I wish I could find out more though.
> 

Sigh, when I first read the "Lucy fights for her life" spoilers, this 
was one of the two things I was afraid would happen.  I absolutely 
hate seeing Lucy as a victim, even a physical one.  One of the 
reasons she is my favorite female soap character is because she 
usually avoids this role.  

I also think that this sounds too much like the ending of the Joe Scully 
and Madame Maia's stories--Lucy is hurt, and so these problems that 
she and Kevin have are never addressed; there is little soul 
searching on her side.  

My other fear is that Kevin's mind games with Rex will lead to this 
explosion--that would be Madame Maia all over again.  Still, the 
explosion part sounds interesting if the writers don't forget Kevin's 
history with loved ones in explosions.

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:  K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 02 Feb 1998 07:39:20 PST

rika wrote:

>We read that spoiler a while back that he was reinstated, but we >never 
saw it happen.  If he was reinstated as a psychiatrist, that is >a HUGE 
deal, and it shouldn't have been handled in such an offhand >way.  If, 
OTOH, he's just seeing people as a counselor, I suppose >that might make 
sense, because I think in many states you may be able >to do that 
without a license.  

actually, i was wondering how it was that he's allowed to provide 
treatment, too.  but i sincerely doubt he's been reinstated and we all 
just missed it--because you're right, that would be too big of a deal to 
not get at least a MENTION.  (lucy, for one, would SURELY say 
SOMETHING!)

>Yeah.  If it weren't for poor Serena, and for the impact this trial >is 
having on Kevin and Lucy, I wouldn't mind if they shipped him off >to 
Sing Sing for good.

is it just me, or is it seeming to anyone else like serena's sole 
purpose on the show these days is to see how many different ways she can 
scream "daddy!"  we have joyful, reunion "daddy" screams, we have 
terror-filled "daddy" screams, we have sorrowful, i-miss-my-daddy 
"daddy" screams, we have petulant i-want-my-daddy "daddy" screams... 
don't get me wrong, i think she's cute as can be...but enough is enough 
already.  give the kid a different line already!

>He's supposedly going to be doing some stuff with Victor some time
>after sweeps.  I know that wouldn't be your first choice, Taiyin,
>since you didn't like the change in the story about Victor, but I'm 
>still waiting to hear the answer to a central question:  why did 
>Victor leave Ryan behind when he and Kevin left?  Kevin deserves to
>know that.

victor...victor...now WHO would that be again?  my goodness, how long 
has it BEEN since we saw him?  back around the greg cooper institution 
explosion?  i was beginning to think he had disappeared into the port 
charles bermuda triangle with simone, tommy, sly, and the rest.  did we 
get some sort of explanation about where he is supposed to be that i 
just missed?

on another topic...i read all the posts about this commercial that i 
apparently missed...could someone fill me in, start to finish, on what 
was in it?  i've gathered there's something about an explosion and a car 
crash and possibly a wedding, but there's been so many different 
opinions thrown around that i'm not sure what the commercial really 
entailed!  (i'm not sure how i missed it...)  thanks!

julie

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 07:45:07 PST

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>Anne continued:
>>Ok, new speculation.  Lucy's brush with death will have something 
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>>about.  

>Maybe so, though unless I missed some pill-switching, Lucy hasn't
>been taking the poisoned pills Rex gave her.  When the mystery person
>broke in and switched the pills, didn't s/he switch pills into the 
>stress vitamin bottle?  And didn't Lucy throw those out and replace
>them with other pills of her own?

no...lucy DEFINITELY has NOT been taking either the pills that rex gave 
her, or the ones the mystery person replaced them with.  she switched 
them with vitamin c, because she didn't trust rex.  (i'm still not sure 
about what the mystery person was doing--replacing harmless ones with 
poisoned ones, or replacing poisoned ones with harmless ones)  then, rex 
backed off entirely and took the pills away claming the batch had been 
recalled.  so i'm not at all sure where they're going with any of this, 
but unless it's accidentally, lucy isn't taking anything she got from 
rex.

julie

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: : K&L: Speaking of spoilers....
Date: 02 Feb 1998 07:58:20 PST

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>indeed become husband and wife - has also showed up in SPW.  They
>report that Kevin is too late to stop the wedding.  

damn.  now the way that's phrased, it sounds like they're portraying 
kevin as too stupid (which is ludicrous) or too sure it won't come to 
that (which is only SLIGHTLY more plausible) to take cagey's EXTREMELY 
smart advice, and marry lucy BEFORE rex does.  a lot like ned did back 
during the katherine and lois fiasco.  if kevin marries lucy first, then 
her marriage to rex isn't legal.  of course, lucy is then a 
bigamist...but at least the marriage wouldn't be real!

>Not only that, but I've heard that Rex kidnaps someone "near and dear
>to Lucy's heart" in order to manipulate her.  Putting it together 
>with stuff from the promo (which I still haven't seen, but which some
>of you have described - THANK YOU!), I think it has to be Sigmund. 

i'm not getting rex these days.  i know he doesn't trust lucy...but is 
his motivation for marrying her strictly business (so to speak), or are 
there some personal feelings involved now too?  because for a while 
there it was sounding like he might have feelings for her...but i'm not 
sure.  anyone have a thought on that one?
 
>Rika, who just got home from seeing "Titanic" and who still can't
>stop shivering

oh my god, wasn't that an AMAZING movie?!?  i saw it twice--mainly 
because the first time i saw it i went with my sister, who not only 
turned to me at the end, as i was SOBBING uncontrollably, and said, 
"come on, julie...it's not that sad," but who also spent the entire 
movie going "ooh, look!  victor!" everytime the guy who plays victor on 
"young and the restless" (her soap) came on screen.  i was hoping a 
second viewing would break the spell i'd been under since seeing it the 
first time (i just couldn't break out of the mood of the movie, somehow, 
it was an odd experience), but the second time i cried earlier and 
harder than the first time.  (of course, it doesn't help that i hear 
that celine dion song at LEAST ten times a day on my radio at work, and 
still get goosebumps each and every time.)  anyway, i know this is 
off-topic, but if any of you HAVEN'T seen it yet...go.  go NOW.  it's SO 
worth it.  it's quite possibly the best movie i've ever seen.

julie

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:20:15 -0800

At 10:18 PM 1/30/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>Should I keep posting these?  

Yes, please.  It lets me know what I should have laying around to throw at
my television when the time arises.

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Hhmmm... well, that could prove an effective catalist for Kevin to FINALLY
put a definative stop to this Rex nightmare.

I hope.

Please.

<whimper>

Taiyin
"How about a little evening's entertainment of X-rated 
'Tag, You're It' and we can play all the games I never 
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:24:19 -0800

At 12:59 AM 1/31/98 -0800, Jessica Thompson wrote:
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>safe (or whatever it is exactly which explodes).  By the way, when I just
>watched the commercial again I noticed a definite trace of facial hair on
>Kevin (when he was in the courtroom awaiting Scott's sentencing)  Always a
>sexy sign of depression :)  It may be shallow but I love that man with a
>goatee!  

<snicker> Like I told Rika once that the only thing I love more than Kevin,
is Kevin with a goatee. :-)

She disagreed, but that's still my favorite part of the first few days of
the San Antonio caper.

Taiyin
"You know what I bet is painful?  Leg waxing.  I bet 
that's painful.  And especially bikini waxing.  I'd kill 
anyone who tried to do that to me." -- Kevin, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Speaking of spoilers....
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:28:15 -0800

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>Kevin is too late to stop the wedding.  

I will not repeat the first words that popped out of my mouth when I read
that.

>Not only that, but I've heard that Rex kidnaps someone "near and dear to
>Lucy's heart" in order to manipulate her.  Putting it together with stuff
>from the promo (which I still haven't seen, but which some of you have
>described - THANK YOU!), I think it has to be Sigmund.  

Which makes the wedding, technically invalid, because cohersion is grounds
for an innulment.

>I have but one thing to say.  Rex Stanton is TOAST.  

You ain't kidding.  Giads, I hate this whole mess.

I think I need to go write some sickeningly sweet K&L fic about now... <sigh>

Taiyin
"You must have some hidden talent somewhere."
--"If it's hidden, there's a reason."
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:34:23 -0800

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>kill Rex or anything like that.  If he *were* to go after Rex, I think it
>would be very direct and with his bare hands, like the time he throttled
>Damian at Luke's.  And he would only do that under severe provocation,
>though now that I think of it, he's going to be on the receiving end of
>*plenty* of provocation this week.

Pfft!  He's had PLENTY of provocation over the past few months of this
ludicrous scheme.

>Maybe so, though unless I missed some pill-switching, Lucy hasn't been
>taking the poisoned pills Rex gave her.  When the mystery person broke in
>and switched the pills, didn't s/he switch pills into the stress vitamin
>bottle?  And didn't Lucy throw those out and replace them with other pills
>of her own?

Yup.  And then, even after THAT, Rex had second thoughts about poisoning
her and told her that that batch had been recalled, to stop her from taking
them.

>Lindstrom said that Lynn Latham watched old Ryan and Kevin tapes when she
>took on the head writer job.  You can see some borrowing of storylines from
>back then - Joe and Karen's lovemaking mishaps come right out of the 1994
>Kevin/Lucy storyline arc, for example.  So maybe she is borrowing the
>gaslighting idea too.

That's a thought -- and the Joe and Karen stuff SO reminded me of K&L,
though not as drawn out (or as funny -- but neither one of them does comedy
as over-the-top as Lynn does).

Taiyin
"You're the shrink.  What do you 
need me to tell you that for?"
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:45:11 -0800

At 06:18 PM 2/1/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>Did y'all see Jon Lindstrom's remark about Kevin's non-storylines in the
>SOM interview?  

Yes, I did.  And thank you for letting us know it was there, Rika.  I've
been slack about checking the mags and probably would have missed it if you
hadn't mentioned it.

>He seemed to think that might change due to Lynn Latham, but she's been on
>board for about three months now, I think, and we're still waiting....

True, except that the actual interaction between K&L improved drastically
when she started.  Storyline-wise she has a huge mess to untangle before
she can get around to giving Kevin something to do OTHER than this current
headache.  I think having Kevin go postal on Rex would probably make up for
any disappointment I feel about the rest of the.  At least for a little
while. ;-)

And, speaking of temporary solutions:  how is Lucy planning on getting her
butt out of the sling when it comes out that she perjured herself during
Scott's trial?

>Okay, BUT.....  is he a shrink or isn't he?  

Well, literally speaking, who knows?  All I know is that he is returning to
his delightfully sexy professional capacity of being understanding and
comapssionate and insightful -- and doing it in a setting that allows
someone OTHER than Lucy (or Eve, frankly) to notice that he's incredible. -)

>He's been wearing nice, professional-looking suits (happy sigh.... :-).  

Hummana, hummana, hummana... ;-)

>Well, like you said, at least we get to see him acting like a shrink,
>whether he is a licensed one or not.  That's something to cheer about!

Indeed, indeed!

>Yeah.  If it weren't for poor Serena, and for the impact this trial is
>having on Kevin and Lucy, I wouldn't mind if they shipped him off to Sing
>Sing for good.

At this point, I'm ready to say: "Forget the kid, let her live with her
grandparents."  At least Lee and Gail aren't collasal morons on a daily basis.

>He's supposedly going to be doing some stuff with Victor some time after
>sweeps.  I know that wouldn't be your first choice, Taiyin, since you
>didn't like the change in the story about Victor, but I'm still waiting to
>hear the answer to a central question:  why did Victor leave Ryan behind
>when he and Kevin left?  Kevin deserves to know that.

Oh, I agree.  And if they would actually DO something with that, then I
could forgive the sickening blow that was to the integrity of Kevin's
character.  I hate that they did it, but now that they have they need to
deal with it.  And if they do it well enough, they can make up for the
damange that, IMO, they did to Kevin by turning him into a liar over his
father.

>I am LIKING the sound of this.  I know a lot of people like Scott, and he
>can be extremely funny at times, but in general I don't see the attraction.

I used to LOVE Scott.  And I loved Scott and Lucy.  And when Scott took off
with Serena back at the end of 1993, I cried BUCKETS for Lucy -- not only
did she lose the baby, but she lost Scott, too.  And she loved them both.
What he did was cruel and selfish and monumentally unfair to her.

And then when he returns to town he's even worse.  And he NEVER seems to
get any better.

>I love anything that involves Kevin bellowing.  He does it so well!

I have a particular soft-spot for "Butt out Scott!"

He just needs to say that about twenty or thrity thousand more times until
the bonehead gets it.  Even Scott should be able to learn by rote. Eventually.

Taiyin
"You don't know that."
--"Yes, I do.  I know everything."
           -- Lucy and Kevin

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: K&L: Speaking of spoilers....
Date: 02 Feb 1998 10:58:14 -0800

At 10:12 AM 2/2/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
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>true.  although i like cagey's way of making the lucy/rex wedding 
>invalid better!  (even if it does deprive us all of a big, grand, 
>lucy/kevin ceremony.  they could always re-do it later...at least they'd 
>be MARRIED already!)

True.  But remember that the ONLY reason that Kat didn't press charges
against Nedly for bigomy was because he blackmailed her.  Somehow I suspect
that blackmailing Rex would prove a bit difficult.  

Death might stop him, though. ;-)

>>I think I need to go write some sickeningly sweet K&L fic about
>>now... <sigh>
>
>promise to share?  my workday could use some...diversion...right about 
>now!  :)

If I ever get to it. 

Gods, I hate Mondays. <sigh>

Especially this Monday, as it seems there is a local pre-emption for PC.
<grrrrrrr>  My sister just called me from home and told me to "beg, borrow
or steal" today's PC from someone.  Any volunteers? ;-)

Taiyin
TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango 
with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights 
out."  KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. 
LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink."  KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man  
who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately."

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Re: K&L: Speaking of spoilers....
Date: 02 Feb 1998 11:44:43 PST

taiyin wrote:


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>True.  But remember that the ONLY reason that Kat didn't press 
>charges against Nedly for bigomy was because he blackmailed her.  
>Somehow I suspect that blackmailing Rex would prove a bit difficult.
>
>Death might stop him, though. ;-)

now don't go getting my hopes up!  :)

on second thought...that might not be such wishful thinking.
realistically, after this custody/kidnapping mess gets 
straightened out, it's not like he could just stick around.
that wouldn't work...right?  so the way i see it...they
almost HAVE to kill him!  or lock him up for the rest of
his life.  either way, happy day!

>Gods, I hate Mondays. <sigh>

i know THAT feeling!  just took one of my migraine pills.
(well, ANTI-migraine pills!)  what a LOVELY way to start 
the week...

>Especially this Monday, as it seems there is a local pre-emption for
>PC. <grrrrrrr>  My sister just called me from home and told me to 
>"beg, borrow or steal" today's PC from someone.  Any volunteers? ;-)

aha!  you got her hooked already!

well...it's possible i could send you a copy.  (the reason i say 
"possible" is that one of my charming roommates has been away for the 
weekend, and took today off to extend his trip, and i don't know when 
he'll be getting back and if he'll be kind enough to NOT change the 
channel on the cable box on me!)  however, IF i indeed taped it, and if 
nobody closer to home volunteers, i'd be more than happy to send you a 
copy.  (the reason for the closer to home caveat being that by the time 
you get my tape, you'll have already seen about a week's worth of 
subsequent episodes!)  so...i'll keep my fingers crossed that it's been 
recorded when i get home, and if you need me to send you a copy just let 
me know tomorrow!

julie

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Speaking of spoilers....
Date: 02 Feb 1998 11:48:42 -0800

At 11:44 AM 2/2/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
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>
>now don't go getting my hopes up!  :)

Actually, from what I've heard, that's actually pretty likely.

Oh gods, though!  I juse had a horrible thought!  What if they do a murder
trial?  <wail>

>on second thought...that might not be such wishful thinking.

It's not.  From what I've heard, it looks like Lynn Latham doesn't have Rex
figured in to the long-term story archs.

And there was a rumor in SOU several weeks ago that as soon as this
storyline was over with, that RexieBoy would be history.

One can hope.

>>Especially this Monday, as it seems there is a local pre-emption for
>>PC. <grrrrrrr>  My sister just called me from home and told me to 
>>"beg, borrow or steal" today's PC from someone.  Any volunteers? ;-)
>
>aha!  you got her hooked already!

Actually, I had her hooked several weeks ago.  The only trouble was that
her deadbeat ex roommate had the cable (and phone) disconnected in her
apartment and my sister couldn't move up here (because of work) until last
week.  So this weekend she proceeded to catch up on the month of PC that
she missed. :-)

GH was the one that I having a hard time getting her to watch again (she
used to watch it with me way back when, but she didn't want to get hooked
on another one hour soap again now).  Jason and the Battle of the Dimwitted
Quartermaines h*lped me with that one, though. <g>

>so...i'll keep my fingers crossed that it's been 
>recorded when i get home, and if you need me to send you a copy just let 
>me know tomorrow!

Will do, thanks.  I've already sent a note to my usual savior in that
department, though, groveling for a copy.

Taiyin
"Well, don't tell me that you're trying to perhaps let 
   me know that you, what -- find me attractive?"
--"Magnetic.  Like those bug zappers.  You know 
       it's certain death, but you dive in anyway."
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:10:14 -0500

This is sort of a spoiler even though it doesn't give the answer.  But I
knew y'all would want to see it:

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A friend sent me today's daily poll from the PC Web site.  I have to say,
this poll identifies the point at which I have drawn my own personal line
in the sand on this storyline.  There was a time when I would have said
that a Rex/Lucy wedding crossed the line.  I've retreated slightly, in the
hope that K&L will get some great scenes out of this whole thing, but
that's as far as I go.   I'm going to stay optimistic and assume that TPTB
understand that this is where a *lot* of us have probably drawn our lines,
and that they'd better not cross it.

Here's the poll......

>On Monday, February 9th, Rex wants to make love to Lucy
>in a very big way. What will happen?
>SELECT ONE:
> 1. Not wanting to ruin all the progress she has made, Lucy
>will have no choice but to sleep with Rex.

> 2. Lucy will drink some wine that she knows will bring on an allergic
>reaction and will successfully avoid sleeping with Rex.

> 3. Lucy will pretend to have food poisoning and
>will successfully avoid sleeping with Rex.

I'm rooting big-time for #3.  It sounds Lucy-ish to me.  I don't think
she'd actually make herself sick unless she had to; she's much more likely
to fake illness. 

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 02 Feb 1998 15:11:59 -0800

At 06:10 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>This is sort of a spoiler even though it doesn't give the answer.  But I
>knew y'all would want to see it:
>
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>I'm going to stay optimistic and assume that TPTB
>understand that this is where a *lot* of us have probably drawn our lines,
>and that they'd better not cross it.

Oh, you ain't kiddin!  

>>On Monday, February 9th, Rex wants to make love to Lucy
>>in a very big way. What will happen?

I don't know what she'll do, but I know the thought of that makes ME want
to throw up.  Yuck.

>I'm rooting big-time for #3.  It sounds Lucy-ish to me.  I don't think
>she'd actually make herself sick unless she had to; she's much more likely
>to fake illness. 

I agree.

My brain goes into a deep-freeze at the mere THOUGHT that she'd actually
sleep with that toad.  No matter what the reason.

Taiyin
"Lucy, I love having you in my life.  You're like gossamer -- you shimmer
and shine and spread light into all the dark places.  And you're out of
your mind if you don't think I want to make love to you right now, from
the inside out, in every conceivable way." -- Kevin, "General Hosptial"

(And WHY, pray tell, would she EVER take for granted a man who says things
like that to her????  This whole storyline is ticking me off because it's
making Lucy into something she has NEVER been before:  stupid.  I HATE
that.)

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:31:38 -0500

At 08:01 PM 2/1/98 PST, NovaLee wrote (about Kevin's continuing lack of
storyline even since Latham arrived):

>A lot of that's probably due to the fact that the current crap that 
>Kevin (and Lucy) are mired in is largely Culliton's story. Latham 
>inherited it and judging from the time it's taken to wrap it up, it 
>seems to me she wasn't sure what to do with it. This particular 
>storyline somehow doesn't "fit" with the rest of the show, which at this 
>point is exclusively Latham's work. Her forte is relationships and 
>character-driven stories that are a little (or a lot) more 
>reality-based. So when this Rex business is dead and buried 
                                            
Along with Rex himself, I do hope!

>I'm hopeful 
>that we'll start to see what she can really do for Kevin and Lucy. 

I hope you're right.  It's true - she inherited Rex and that whole mess.
And the one thing I'll say for the way that she's working it out is that it
actually *has* given K&L their own storyline that doesn't directly revolve
around Scott, which is something we've wanted.  I know Scott's trial
touched off this whole thing, but that's almost irrelevant now.  At this
point, Kevin's pursuit of Rex is going to have NOTHING to do with Serena;
it's completely personal, and it doesn't matter whether Scott lives, dies,
goes to jail, or moves to the New Hebrides.  

Besides, it says a lot for her opinion of K/L's relationship that she had
to do *this* to put an obstacle between them!  Joe and Karen's obstacle is
just a meddling future mother-in-law.  Julie and Frank's is a teenager with
an attitude.  Kevin and Lucy would make mincemeat of any such minor
annoyances.  So to put their relationship in danger, she had to throw an
evil, manipulative, psychopathic kidnapper and murderer (who wants Lucy for
himself) at them!

>As for that erroneous scoop about 
>him being reinstated we can only hope that the writers decided to put it 
>off until the current story is over.

That's what I keep hoping too.  And I do hope he eventually gets an office
at the hospital.  I loved the paintings and the various objects in the old
one!

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re:  K&L: Kevin and.... Snotty
Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:44:47 -0500

At 07:39 AM 2/2/98 PST, Julie wrote:

>on another topic...i read all the posts about this commercial that i 
>apparently missed...could someone fill me in, start to finish, on what 
>was in it?  i've gathered there's something about an explosion and a car 
>crash and possibly a wedding, but there's been so many different 
>opinions thrown around that i'm not sure what the commercial really 
>entailed!  (i'm not sure how i missed it...)  thanks!

It was shown on GH last Friday, and again today.  Obviously the clips are
not in chronological order.

(1) Kevin and Lucy kissing rather frantically, possibly in an elevator but
    you can't really tell.
(2) Lucy telling Rex she wants to be "Mrs. Rex Stanton - tonight." (She sounds
    like she's on the verge of hysterical tears).
(3) Kevin threatening Rex and trying to deck him - apparently at the
    engagement party, since Lucy is wearing the dress we saw
(4) The judge saying, "Scott Baldwin, I sentence you to...."
(4) Kevin yelling, "Lucy, NO!!!!" while being restrained by a couple of
    men.
(5) A hand opening a door, and an explosion happens.
(6) A judge awarding custody of Serena to.....
(7) Gail in her car, saying, "My God!"
(8) Karen in *her* car, seemingly losing control of it and screaming.

I have to say, I can't remember the last time I saw Kevin in so many scenes
of the PC promo for the week!

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:24:14 -0500

At 03:11 PM 2/2/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>"Lucy, I love having you in my life.  You're like gossamer -- you shimmer
>and shine and spread light into all the dark places.  And you're out of
>your mind if you don't think I want to make love to you right now, from
>the inside out, in every conceivable way." -- Kevin, "General Hosptial"
>
>(And WHY, pray tell, would she EVER take for granted a man who says things
>like that to her????  This whole storyline is ticking me off because it's
>making Lucy into something she has NEVER been before:  stupid.  I HATE
>that.)

Well, two comments.  First, I'd argue that she's been very stupid before.
I thought Lucy's pinnacle of stupidity was when she uncritically believed
every word Madame Maia told her without ever doing any digging into the
woman's background, and when she wouldn't even *consider* taking Kevin's
advice to be skeptical.  I hated that storyline because it made Lucy look
stupid and gullible, two things I didn't believe that she was.

Second, in my view she's been taking Kevin for granted off and on for ages,
whenever something more urgent comes along.  Remember how, the morning
after Kevin saw Ryan go up in flames, we almost got whiplash?  One second,
Lucy was a wellspring of love and support, cradling Kevin in his arms while
he tried to deal with the horror of what he had seen; the next second she
was out of bed and on her way to Luke's so she could dive into that MDP to
bring down Joe Scully.  After that ended, they had about one good month
before Maia arrived in town.  It really wasn't until after they reconciled
from their Maia-related break-up that he became a top priority in her life,
and I think that was partly because not long after that, his sanity became
the next urgent thing to come down the pike demanding her attention. 

I think Kevin will always be more consistently focused on Lucy than the
other way around because (unlike her) he doesn't tend to let that which is
*urgent* distract him from that which is *important*.  And I don't think
she's atypical in this tendency; it's just that she's so much more extreme
about it than most people.

Rika

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:45:34 EST

In a message dated 98-01-31 04:01:10 EST, jlt@usc.edu writes:

<<  By the way, when I just
 watched the commercial again I noticed a definite trace of facial hair on
 Kevin (when he was in the courtroom awaiting Scott's sentencing)  Always a
 sexy sign of depression :)  It may be shallow but I love that man with a
 goatee!  
  >>

Oh me too!  Me too!  I liked it last time, and was quite disappointed when he
shaved it days before I saw him playing with the band.  I wanted to see the
goatee in person :-)

Anne

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 13:15:01 -0800










> Oh me too!  Me too!  I liked it last time, and was quite disappointed
when he
> shaved it days before I saw him playing with the band.  I wanted to see
the
> goatee in person :-)

Did you see THL in LA.  I've been to see them since I've been here in LA
going to school but of course Jon isn't with them right now :(  I really do
enjoy them though.  And I seriously can not say enough how much I love that
man unshaven!!  I hope they let him keep it at least for a little while!



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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:29:02 -0600



AnneBPT@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-31 04:01:10 EST, jlt@usc.edu writes:
>
> <<  By the way, when I just
>  watched the commercial again I noticed a definite trace of facial hair on
>  Kevin (when he was in the courtroom awaiting Scott's sentencing)  Always a
>  sexy sign of depression :)  It may be shallow but I love that man with a
>  goatee!
>   >>
>
> Oh me too!  Me too!  I liked it last time, and was quite disappointed when he
> shaved it days before I saw him playing with the band.  I wanted to see the
> goatee in person :-)
>
> Anne

Well my favorite look for Jon is long hair, headband, beads, cut off shirt with
muscles bulging.
You can see this picture from the image map of the band on my homepage or go
directly there at
http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/Jon.html     enjoy!

Debi

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 23:09:02 EST

In a message dated 98-02-02 22:54:07 EST, you write:
 
>> Did you see THL in LA.  I've been to see them since I've been here in LA
 going to school but of course Jon isn't with them right now :(  I really do
 enjoy them though.  And I seriously can not say enough how much I love that
 man unshaven!!  I hope they let him keep it at least for a little while!
  >>

Yes Jessica many times,--- many, many, times in LA-- and a few in Nashville
too:-).  I'm one of their long distance fans-- tough to be a band groupie for
an LA band from Connecticut, but I manage:-).  Email me privately if you
like--- I tend to go on and on about them...  Don't want to bore anyone:-)

To get back on the subject of Kevin-- I just watched today's show, and he
definitely has a little whisker action going there. I guess it will be wait
and see as to how it progresses........

Anne

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 23:47:03 EST

In a message dated 98-02-02 23:29:20 EST, debsan1@airmail.net writes:

<< 
 Well my favorite look for Jon is long hair, headband, beads, cut off shirt
with
 muscles bulging.
 You can see this picture from the image map of the band on my homepage or go
 directly there at >>

 That too:-).  You're right probably my favorite image of Jon is one in my
head of the first time I saw him in person.  It pretty much matches the one
you've described:-).

I'm off to check what you have there to see if it is from the same
night<G>.....

Anne
 

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 14:32:01 -0800










>  Well my favorite look for Jon is long hair, headband, beads, cut off
shirt
> with
>  muscles bulging.

I love the man lookin' like that too!  But I still prefer him with a three
piece suit and a goatee!!  Or jeans or chords with a button down shirt. 
Don't ya just love complex and intellectual discussions like these? :)  I
must admit that I love his 'new' haircut!!  I think it makes him look much
younger and I think his hair looks much healthier since he cut it. 
Ultimately though, I'll love that man lookin' like anything.








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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another Sweeps spoiler
Date: 02 Feb 1998 23:20:23 -0600



Jessica Thompson wrote:

Ultimately though, I'll love that man lookin' like anything.

"sigh" Well yes that goes without saying <vbg>

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:05:41 PST

Rika wrote:

>
>This is sort of a spoiler even though it doesn't give the answer.  >But 
I knew y'all would want to see it:
>
>R
>E
>A
>D
>
>O
>N
>
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>N
>
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>M
>P
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>A
>C
>H
>
>A friend sent me today's daily poll from the PC Web site.  I have to 
>say, this poll identifies the point at which I have drawn my own 
>personal line in the sand on this storyline.  There was a time when I 
>would have said that a Rex/Lucy wedding crossed the line.  I've 
>retreated slightly, in the hope that K&L will get some great scenes 
>out of this whole thing, but that's as far as I go.  

NOOO. TPTB can absolutely *not* go there. The thought sickens me. The 
wedding is really stretching the bounds of what I will and will not 
accept and anything beyond that is a big no-no. 


>I'm going to stay optimistic and assume that TPTB understand that >this 
is where a *lot* of us have probably drawn our lines, and that >they'd 
better not cross it.

Or else.


>Here's the poll......
>
>>On Monday, February 9th, Rex wants to make love to Lucy
>>in a very big way. What will happen?
>>SELECT ONE:
>> 1. Not wanting to ruin all the progress she has made, Lucy
>>will have no choice but to sleep with Rex.
>
>> 2. Lucy will drink some wine that she knows will bring on an 
>>allergic reaction and will successfully avoid sleeping with Rex.
>
>> 3. Lucy will pretend to have food poisoning and will successfully 
avoid sleeping with Rex.

So is this the wedding night, I wonder? According to the previews/ 
spoilers the wedding takes place either at the end of this week or 
beginning of next which would fall on or around Feb.9. 


>I'm rooting big-time for #3.  It sounds Lucy-ish to me.  I don't >think 
she'd actually make herself sick unless she had to; she's much >more 
likely to fake illness. 

#3 is my pick too. The fact that #2 and #3 differ only slightly means 
that it *has* to be one of the variations on the Lucy-gets-sick theme, 
right?!? Well, whatever happens we know that *someone* will get sick, if 
not Lucy, than me. 


NovaLee 


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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 04 Feb 1998 03:17:27 -0800

It's 3:00 a.m. and I'm watching the previously pre-empted PC... and it was
just pre-empted AGAIN because of the flooding that we're getting right now.
<sigh>  I stayed up half the night for nothing... other than insomnia.

It cut off at Kevin telling Lucy that it's "unbecoming" of her to enjoy her
seduction of Rex so much and then it didn't return until Eve and Scott were
saying good-bye.  ARGH!

Rika wrote:

>Well, two comments.  First, I'd argue that she's been very stupid before.
>I thought Lucy's pinnacle of stupidity was when she uncritically believed
>every word Madame Maia told her without ever doing any digging into the
>woman's background, and when she wouldn't even *consider* taking Kevin's
>advice to be skeptical.  I hated that storyline because it made Lucy look
>stupid and gullible, two things I didn't believe that she was.

Well, while Lucy being naive and gullible is the reason that I hated that
storyline, I don't think she was being stupid.  For starters, thanks to
Damian, Madame Maia was very well versed in Lucy's hot-buttons --
particularly Serena.  Damian set things up very quickly and neatly and I
don't think it was unreasonable of her to buy into Maia's act.  I think the
ONLY reason it was hard to watch was because we KNEW that Maia was working
for Damian.

And, as someone who gets really into the whole spiritual/psychic thing, I
must say that a great many of Kevin's objections sounded increasingly
patronizing and insulting as time went on.  His initial words of caution
were very supportive and reasonable, but the farther into the storyline
they got, the more pompus and insulting he sounded.  WE knew he was right,
but ONLY because we knew the whole story.  Given what Lucy could know, I
disagree that she was being stupid.  Greedy and needy, yeah, but not stupid.

Plus, Maia also played Kevin and Lucy off each other very well -- Lucy was
NOT the only one who fell into her trap.  Kevin did too becuase of the
predictability of his behavior, especially when it came to any mention of
Ryan.  

I also happen to think that the entire storyline would have been more easy
to stomach if they had done a better job of casting Maia.  An actress who
didn't play her as being so smarmy would have gone a long way in doing what
I think they were trying to do with that storyline.

I think the only other time that she came as close to being as stupid as
she is now was during the Joe Scully stuff -- but, IMO, that one doesn't
come NEARLY as close because (a) she wasn't NEARLY as close to Joe as she
is to Rex and (b) because Sonny and Luke were in MUCH better positions to
intercede if things got out of hand (which they did) then Kevin is now
(which they easily could).

But I think what makes this time SO much worse was that with Joe Scully she
never honestly considered him dangerous -- I mean, she knew he was a
mobster, but, as Kevin pointed out, she thinks she can handle any man.  And
part of how she justified the entire fiasco was because she convinced
herself that he wouldn't REALLY hurt her.  She knows and readily admits
that Rex is dangerous, brilliant and unpredictable.  And STILL she is going
along with this crap.

>Second, in my view she's been taking Kevin for granted off and on for ages,
>whenever something more urgent comes along.  Remember how, the morning
>after Kevin saw Ryan go up in flames, we almost got whiplash?  One second,
>Lucy was a wellspring of love and support, cradling Kevin in his arms while
>he tried to deal with the horror of what he had seen; the next second she
>was out of bed and on her way to Luke's so she could dive into that MDP to
>bring down Joe Scully.  

I'm not sure that I think that is really fair, though.  First of all, it
was Kevin who insisted on getting back to normal ASAP and secondly, it WAS
a very sloppy transition between major storylines -- it was the catalyst
for getting Kevin working with Stone and launching the whole AIDS storyline
and it was the catalyst for getting the Joe Scully thing in full gear.  

But I don't buy that that was an example of Lucy taking Kevin for granted.
I think it could have been handled more smoothly, but when it comes down to
it, Kevin is the one who pushed for a "return to some semblence of normalcy."

>I think Kevin will always be more consistently focused on Lucy than the
>other way around because (unlike her) he doesn't tend to let that which is
>*urgent* distract him from that which is *important*.  And I don't think
>she's atypical in this tendency; it's just that she's so much more extreme
>about it than most people.

That I agree with.  She obsesses very easily, and she forgets about
everything else in the meantime.

Taiyin
"What did I do before I had you?"
--"You were lost and confused."
         -- Lucy and Kevin

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:44:34 -0800


> It's 3:00 a.m. and I'm watching the previously pre-empted PC... and it
was
> just pre-empted AGAIN because of the flooding that we're getting right
now.

Are you in SoCal?  I really hope they don't take it upon themselves to
interrupt during today's show!!


Taiyin wrote (concerning Madame Maia story):

> Well, while Lucy being naive and gullible is the reason that I hated that
> storyline, I don't think she was being stupid.  For starters, thanks to
> Damian, Madame Maia was very well versed in Lucy's hot-buttons --
> particularly Serena.  Damian set things up very quickly and neatly and I
> don't think it was unreasonable of her to buy into Maia's act.  I think
the
> ONLY reason it was hard to watch was because we KNEW that Maia was
working
> for Damian.

My opinion exactly!!  Maia had info that was so close to Lucy's heart that,
unless she automatically suspected an informant and a trap-- which I think
would be unrealistic-- she would have been stupid not to consider the
possibility that Maia was real.  I also thought they did a nice job playing
up her desperate need for any info about Serena.  Though Kevin did see
through Maia not even he figured out that it was Damian who had hired her. 
In fact they never really dealt with that on screen at all.  I really
wanted to see Kevin's reaction to the realization that it was Damian that
had cause all that trouble between them.  As it was, they never even
mentioned it and then on the day of Damian's funeral when they were trying
to come up with the most despicable thing Damian had done someone brought
up that he brought Madame Maia to town, so apparently they did eventually
find out.  I felt kind of cheated with that.












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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 04 Feb 1998 11:37:25 -0800

At 08:44 AM 2/3/98 -0800, Jessica Thompson wrote:
>
>Are you in SoCal?  I really hope they don't take it upon themselves to
>interrupt during today's show!!

Nope.  NoCal.  Half of our freeways are still closed and I couldn't get to
work.

>My opinion exactly!!  Maia had info that was so close to Lucy's heart that,
>unless she automatically suspected an informant and a trap-- which I think
>would be unrealistic-- she would have been stupid not to consider the
>possibility that Maia was real.  

I agree.  And her information was on too many different fronts.  Not ONLY
did she tap into Lucy's need to know about Serena, but she also did other
more "objective" things like that stock tip business.

>In fact they never really dealt with that on screen at all.  I really
>wanted to see Kevin's reaction to the realization that it was Damian that
>had cause all that trouble between them.  

Actually, Lucy did tell Kevin that Damian was behind it after she found out
(when she went to Chicago to seek out Maia's h*lp when she was having
visions of Damian in San Antonio).  His response was disappointingly
unspectacular.

Taiyin
"What did I do before I had you?"
--"You were lost and confused."
         -- Lucy and Kevin

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 03 Feb 1998 09:48:24 -0800


 > Actually, Lucy did tell Kevin that Damian was behind it after she found
out
> (when she went to Chicago to seek out Maia's h*lp when she was having
> visions of Damian in San Antonio).  His response was disappointingly
> unspectacular.
> 

Now I remember that particular scene.  Still so disapointing though. 
Thanks for that reminder.

I missed the first 10 mins. of PC today because of weather coverage but the
last 20 mins. sure were excellent.  A good day for Kevin indeed.


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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 12:54:06 -0800

This is from Rika.  She's at school and is not s*bbed at this addy, so I'm
sending it for her.

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

>I'm at school; I just had to let you know that PC absolutely ROCKS
>today!  I haven't seen it yet - I listened to the audio while I ate
>lunch (I have a little radio that plays TV audio.  I haven't used it to
>listen to a soap in ages, but I think I'm going to be doing this a lot
>during sweeps).  I can't wait to get home and watch it, but in the
>meantime I thought I'd pass along the good news about today:
>
>First off, no Scott.  Nada.  Zip.  I can't remember the last time that
>happened.
>
>Second, LOTS of Kevin.  That hasn't happened much lately either, and I
>don't know if it has EVER happened on a show that didn't feature Scott.
>
>Third.... Oh, my!  Kevin and Rex really mix it up, both verbally and
>physically, at the engagement party.  Rex keeps trying to get the better
>of Kevin, but he keeps failing.  Finally, Rex throws the first punch.
>Kevin's response:  "Thank you.  I've needed some good catharsis for
>months."  Then, of course, he returns the punch. 
>
>Lucy, I wanted to smack.  At a time when she ought to be worried about
>her future life, she was sulking because most of her friends refused to
>attend the party.  What the HECK does she expect, after she sends Scott
>to prison with her testimony and leaves Kevin for Rex?
>
>Rika
>
>

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 13:34:59 -0800

At 12:54 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Rika wrote:
>S
>P
>O
>I
>L
>E
>R
>
>S
>P
>A
>C
>E
>
>I'm at school; I just had to let you know that PC absolutely ROCKS
>today!  

Yes, indeed!  I'm stuck at home because of flooding, so I actually got to
watch the ep. :-)

>I haven't seen it yet - I listened to the audio while I ate
>lunch (I have a little radio that plays TV audio.  I haven't used it to
>listen to a soap in ages, but I think I'm going to be doing this a lot
>during sweeps).  

Oh my, then you missed the look on the faces and did you get what the gift
that was that Kevin gave them?  ROTFL!!!  Woo hoo, Doc!  A SKUNK!  It was
fabulous.  And Kevin looked so sexy and scrumptious I was salivating.  He's
growing his beard and I am a happy camper.

>First off, no Scott.  Nada.  Zip.  I can't remember the last time that
>happened.

Double Woo Hoo!  Pfft!

>Second, LOTS of Kevin.  That hasn't happened much lately either, and I
>don't know if it has EVER happened on a show that didn't feature Scott.

I don't think so, either.  That was great.

>Third.... Oh, my!  Kevin and Rex really mix it up, both verbally and
>physically, at the engagement party.  Rex keeps trying to get the better
>of Kevin, but he keeps failing.  Finally, Rex throws the first punch.
>Kevin's response:  "Thank you.  I've needed some good catharsis for
>months."  Then, of course, he returns the punch. 

Oh, man, I've watched that about eight times already.  That has been such a
long time in coming.

>Lucy, I wanted to smack.  

So did I, but for a different reason.

>At a time when she ought to be worried about
>her future life, she was sulking because most of her friends refused to
>attend the party.  What the HECK does she expect, after she sends Scott
>to prison with her testimony and leaves Kevin for Rex?

Actually, I liked that.  I thought it showed how much this whole plan is
costing her.  She doesn't believe Kevin that the price is too high, she
thought that she could go through this relatively unscathed.  And Audrey
and Tony pointed out how wrong she is.  She discounts Kevin's opinion
because she knows he can't stand Scott and because she knows that he is
very protective of her.  But when everyone else begins to prove to her that
her actions have very far-reaching consequences she can't disregard Kevin's
warnings.

It very much reminded me of the day she was trying on wedding dresses --
the whole thing was hitting so close to home that it was making her miserable.

The reason that I DID want to smack her, though, was her snapping at Eve.
Well, excuse me Ms. Coe, but YOU are the one who wanted Eve and Kevin to
make goo-goo eyes at each other.  And YOU are the one who is ENGAGED TO
THAT PARASITE, not Kevin.  And YOU are the one who is enjoying yourself far
too much for your own good.

And there were SO many good quotes!!!

"My gosh!  You two having nothing better to do in bed than talk about me?"

"Oh Kevin really doesn't need to see the bar, not when I have a first
edition of Freuds' 'Interpretation of Dreams' to show him."
"How lucky for you."
"Signed."
"How divine."
"It cost me two hundred thou.  You really must have a look at it."
"Oh I can't wait.  We can see how it stacks up against the one that Lucy
gave me."

"You do realize the best man has won."
"I realize there is no accounting for taste, "De gustibus.""

"But don't you find that you miss all of her endearing quirks?  Insisting
on silk sheets?"
"Why, no.  With us it was Egyptian cotton -- 300-thread count.  Lucy felt,
and I agreed, that silk sheets lack -- what is it?  Class."
"And all of those cute little noises she makes when she sleeps."
"Oh no, I thought she was over that.  She did that when she first moved in
with me, too.  It's a sexual tension, it has to do with reluctance or
reticence.  It'll pass.  Or, at least it did with us."

"I would suggest that you just take a browse through Chpater Six.  It has a
lot of interesting commetns about transference."

"Amy, it's a dog leash.  We don't have a dog."
"No!  It's to keep this husband from getting away."

"So, have you told Rex yet?"
"Oh, I have something better in mind for Rex."
"Oh God, should I close my eyes?"

"It's a skunk!"
"Yes, and his name is Gustave."

"Thank you.  Thank you very much.  I've been aching for a good catharsis
for months." <boom>

And the look on Kevin's face after he klobbered Rex was almost his
Ryan-face. :-)

Anne should be happy.

Taiyin
"Oh God, he looks SO scrumptious scruffy!" -- My sister (who I just 
FINALLY managed to s*b to the lists... sucker <g>), about Kevin

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From: JEN <JH0061@drake.edu>
Subject: K&L: Kevin on GH...
Date: 03 Feb 1998 16:00:21 +0000

Kevin will be on GH tomorrow so make sure to watch!  They showed him in =
the clips for tomorrow after the show.

Jennifer House
JH0061@DRAKE.EDU
PHONE:  271-3567



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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin and the Skunk
Date: 04 Feb 1998 14:00:43 -0800

The two legged one, not the cute fuzzy one. ;-)

I was just rewatching that end scene about a dozen more times -- and the
look on Kevin's face was so vindictive and calculating and condescending
(especially during his little "Compare Lucy" seesion with Rex)... <shiver>
I've got goosebumps.

And I was thinking that if Kevin gets to stay as focused and central and...
primal then I'll actually enjoy watching they way they wrap up this story.

ESPECIALLY if they keep Snotty locked up in his cell and out of our faces
for a while.

Taiyin
REX:  "But don't you find that you miss all of her endearing quirks?
Insisting on silk sheets?"  KEVIN:  "Why, no.  With us it was Egyptian
cotton -- 300-thread count.  Lucy felt, and I agreed, that silk sheets lack
-- what is it?  Class."


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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 03 Feb 1998 17:21:43 PST

Taiyin wrote:
>
>At 12:54 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Rika wrote:
>>S
>>P
>>O
>>I
>>L
>>E
>>R
>>
>>S
>>P
>>A
>>C
>>E
>>
 
>
>Oh my, then you missed the look on the faces and did you get what the 
>gift that was that Kevin gave them?  ROTFL!!!  Woo hoo, Doc!  A >SKUNK!  
It was fabulous.  And Kevin looked so sexy and scrumptious I >was 
salivating.  He's growing his beard and I am a happy camper.

No complaints from me either <g>. And I think it's a look we'll be 
seeing for at least a couple more days if tomorrow's GH previews are any 
indication. Does this mean we'll get to see Kevin TWICE on Wed.?!? 


>>First off, no Scott.  Nada.  Zip.  I can't remember the last time 
>>that happened.
>
>Double Woo Hoo!  Pfft!

Scott behind bars definitely has its advantages.


>>Third.... Oh, my!  Kevin and Rex really mix it up, both verbally and
>>physically, at the engagement party.  Rex keeps trying to get the 
>>better of Kevin, but he keeps failing.  Finally, Rex throws the 
>>first punch. Kevin's response:  "Thank you.  I've needed some good 
>>catharsis for months."  Then, of course, he returns the punch. 
>
>Oh, man, I've watched that about eight times already.  That has been 
>such a long time in coming.

That felt GREAT. And I hope this is only the beginning.


>>Lucy, I wanted to smack.  
>
>So did I, but for a different reason.
>
>>At a time when she ought to be worried about
>>her future life, she was sulking because most of her friends refused 
>>to attend the party.  What the HECK does she expect, after she sends 
>>Scott to prison with her testimony and leaves Kevin for Rex?
>
>Actually, I liked that.  I thought it showed how much this whole plan 
>is costing her. 

That's exactly how I saw it. She's needed a big-time reality check for 
weeks now. She seems to only occasionally "get" the ramifications this 
plan is having and those moments are all-too fleeting before it's on to 
enjoying the next phase of the game. 

>
>The reason that I DID want to smack her, though, was her snapping at 
>Eve.

This bugs me too. I'm surprised that Eve puts up with it.

>
>And there were SO many good quotes!!!

<reluctantly snipping all the FABULOUS quotes>

The dialogue between Kevin and Rex was TOO much fun. If *this* is the 
beginning of the kind of pay-off we can expect for having put up with 
this sorry excuse for a storyline I am totally psyched.


NovaLee




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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 04 Feb 1998 00:23:40 -0500

At 10:05 PM 2/2/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:
>Rika wrote:
>
>>
>>This is sort of a spoiler even though it doesn't give the answer.  >But 
>I knew y'all would want to see it:
>>
>>R
>>E
>>A
>>D
>>
>>O
>>N
>>
>>A
>>N
>>
>>E
>>M
>>P
>>T
>>Y
>>
>>S
>>T
>>O
>>M
>>A
>>C
>>H
>>
>So is this the wedding night, I wonder? According to the previews/ 
>spoilers the wedding takes place either at the end of this week or 
>beginning of next which would fall on or around Feb.9. 

If I understand what I've read correctly, the wedding is Thursday.  And
guess who is the Thursday updater for RATSA?  Great - I'll get to cry my
eyes out several times instead of just once.

>#3 is my pick too. The fact that #2 and #3 differ only slightly means 
>that it *has* to be one of the variations on the Lucy-gets-sick theme, 
>right?!? 

Now, that's a good, optimistic thought!  Unfortunately, I'm putting
together a midterm for the Intro to Marketing course I'm teaching, and
that's not always a safe bet in multiple choice tests.

But my theory is that Lucy wouldn't purposely give herself an allergic
reaction if she had any choice in the matter.  Remember how grossed out she
was when Kevin broke out in the hives after eating the mussels?  But fake
an illness?  That's Lucy, through and through.

Well, whatever happens we know that *someone* will get sick, if 
>not Lucy, than me. 

And me!

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and the Skunk
Date: 04 Feb 1998 00:37:11 -0500

At 02:00 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>I was just rewatching that end scene about a dozen more times -- and the
>look on Kevin's face was so vindictive and calculating and condescending
>(especially during his little "Compare Lucy" seesion with Rex)... <shiver>
>I've got goosebumps.

Yes.  Yes.  YESSSSS!!!

As much as I enjoyed listening to it, it was a thousand times better with
the visual!

>And I was thinking that if Kevin gets to stay as focused and central and...
>primal then I'll actually enjoy watching they way they wrap up this story.

That's the thing.  Kevin needs an adversary, I think.  For a while he had
Damian.  Now he has Rex.  After Rex is gone, he needs another one.  I adore
Kevin no matter what he's doing, but if he's going to stay front burner I
think we need to see more of the dangerous side of his personality.  As you
said, goosebump city.  Between the don't-mess-with-me smiles, the wicked
glint in his eye, and then the absolute murder in his eyes at the end of
the episode..... wow....

This was the potential I always saw for Rex Stanton.  He needed an
intellectual equal against whom to strike sparks.  Danielle certainly
wasn't it.  Neither is Scott; he's all bluster and no brains.  And Lucy
isn't either.  She's not dumb, but she's in no way Rex's match when it
comes to brain power.  

But Kevin..... oh, my, yes.  The two of them were truly enjoying the
"comparing Lucy" mind games they were playing.  I get chills thinking about
what's going to happen when the two of them up the ante later this month!

>ESPECIALLY if they keep Snotty locked up in his cell and out of our faces
>for a while.

Amen.  Supposedly we have till next Tuesday.  And after that he'll have to
lay low since he's going to be a fugitive.

>REX:  "But don't you find that you miss all of her endearing quirks?
>Insisting on silk sheets?"  KEVIN:  "Why, no.  With us it was Egyptian
>cotton -- 300-thread count.  Lucy felt, and I agreed, that silk sheets lack
>-- what is it?  Class."

Great line.  ALTHOUGH.... in truth, don't they have satin sheets at the
lighthouse?

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 00:56:55 -0500

At 01:34 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>At 12:54 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Rika wrote:

>Oh my, then you missed the look on the faces and did you get what the gift
>that was that Kevin gave them?  ROTFL!!!  Woo hoo, Doc!  A SKUNK!  It was
>fabulous.  And Kevin looked so sexy and scrumptious I was salivating.  He's
>growing his beard and I am a happy camper.

Well, as you know, I'm in the anti-goatee camp (which is evidently a
minority).  But, that said, I will freely admit that I just about
suh.WOONed when I saw him today.  About a day of beard growth does very
nice things for that man.  Especially when "dark and dangerous" fits what
he's doing in the scene.  And especially, especially, when accompanied by a
nice dark blue suit.  :-)

I suppose it's only "organized facial hair" that I don't like on Kevin
(BTW, I might feel entirely differently about a goatee on Jon.  I'm talking
Kevin here, which is a completely different kettle of fish.)

>>At a time when she ought to be worried about
>>her future life, she was sulking because most of her friends refused to
>>attend the party.  What the HECK does she expect, after she sends Scott
>>to prison with her testimony and leaves Kevin for Rex?
>
>Actually, I liked that.  I thought it showed how much this whole plan is
>costing her.  She doesn't believe Kevin that the price is too high, she
>thought that she could go through this relatively unscathed.  And Audrey
>and Tony pointed out how wrong she is.  She discounts Kevin's opinion
>because she knows he can't stand Scott and because she knows that he is
>very protective of her.  But when everyone else begins to prove to her that
>her actions have very far-reaching consequences she can't disregard Kevin's
>warnings.
>
>It very much reminded me of the day she was trying on wedding dresses --
>the whole thing was hitting so close to home that it was making her
miserable.

But meanwhile, she kept prattling on about "my party" this and "my party"
that.  That was the part that almost drove me to violence.  Being upset
about being forsaken by her friends - I see your point, and maybe that will
be a good wake-up call.  But some portion of it seemed to simply be wanting
"her party" to be a success.  For example, her first remark (paraphrased)
when the skunk did his thing - "Kevin Collins, how could you do this to my
party?"  It seemed like the party was the thing, at least as much as the
people.  Maybe I'm oversensitive, but I'm just sick and tired of her having
fun with this plan and getting caught up in peripheral issues when the
central aspects of the plan are such an awful mess.  And poor Kevin never
sees her when she's miserable; he just sees her obsessing over whether or
not the caterer will serve Rexy's favorite lobster dish.

>The reason that I DID want to smack her, though, was her snapping at Eve.
>Well, excuse me Ms. Coe, but YOU are the one who wanted Eve and Kevin to
>make goo-goo eyes at each other.  And YOU are the one who is ENGAGED TO
>THAT PARASITE, not Kevin.  And YOU are the one who is enjoying yourself far
>too much for your own good.

Ditto to all of the above.  When she got upset over the kiss, I cut her
some slack, but this time.....  good GRIEF!!!  I was glad, at least, when
Eve pointed out that Kevin was not having ANY fun, Lucy looked
appropriately unhappy.

And I felt really sorry for Eve.  Most of the time she looked like she
would have preferred to be having a root canal.

>And there were SO many good quotes!!!

I hated to snip them.  We might need a transcript of these scenes, I think.

>"Oh Kevin really doesn't need to see the bar, not when I have a first
>edition of Freuds' 'Interpretation of Dreams' to show him."

Just a remark on this one - we need to give credit to the writers for such
a nice use of character history.  That gift was from almost three years ago.

>"Oh God, he looks SO scrumptious scruffy!" -- My sister (who I just 
>FINALLY managed to s*b to the lists... sucker <g>), about Kevin

Welcome, Taiyin's sister!  :-)  And, boy, does he ever!!!!!!

Rika

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 01:11:29 EST

Taiyin wrote:

>> Oh my, then you missed the look on the faces and did you get what the gift
 that was that Kevin gave them?  ROTFL!!!  Woo hoo, Doc!  A SKUNK!  It was
 fabulous.  And Kevin looked so sexy and scrumptious I was salivating.  He's
 growing his beard and I am a happy camper.<<

I just finished watching this episode a few minutes ago.  What fun!  Kevin had
that twinkle in his eye today.  Even though he is angry about how the plan is
going, at least he seems set on taking matters into his own hands.  This could
be very, very, good.

The whole interaction with Rex reminded me a bit of Doc sparring with
Damian.... or   early on with Mac.    I used to love watching him run circles
around Mac with words:-)  

I hope he keeps his cool and simply out thinks Rex, and manipulates him into
making a mistake.  It would be a nice contrast to show how Scott's bluster and
hysterics were useless compared to Doc using his head.  Then again WE all knew
that.

Also I think there is something wrong with me.  Two of my most satisfying Doc
moments he is physicially attacking people-- Damian and now Rex.  It sure was
fun to watch.  Kevin seems so in control, Rex should be frightened.

As for Lucy, I agree that she was getting a taste of the effects of this plot
by not having friends show up at her party.  I think it was very in character
for her to be complaining about them not coming.  I think in THEORY the plan
all sounded so easy to accomplish, but now Lucy is running into some personal
hardship because of it.

I think her snapping at Eve is an extension of the same thing.  Sure she knows
Eve and Doc together is all a ruse and part of the plan.  I don't think that
makes it any easier for Lucy to watch.  Being Lucy, she doesn't equate Doc's
concern about her and Rex, with her own jealousy towards Eve and Kevin.   
 
 >> And the look on Kevin's face after he klobbered Rex was almost his
 Ryan-face. :-)
 
 Anne should be happy.<<

Yes it was and yes I am.  Your saying that reminds me of watching Jon work on
GH last April.  It was when they thought he might be stalking Felicia again,
but he wasn't. 

 Anyway, the director had them run through a scene and then said , "Okay Jon,
now do 'your look.' "  And he dropped right into his psycho Ryan-like look, it
was great.  Of course this was just a rehearsal run through so after "his
look" he started making all kinds of faces into the camera it was a riot.

   
>> "Oh God, he looks SO scrumptious scruffy!" -- My sister<<

It is a wonderful sight isn't it?  :-)

Anne

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: PC Web site daily poll
Date: 04 Feb 1998 10:55:23 -0500

At 11:37 AM 2/4/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>At 08:44 AM 2/3/98 -0800, Jessica Thompson wrote:

>>My opinion exactly!!  Maia had info that was so close to Lucy's heart that,
>>unless she automatically suspected an informant and a trap-- which I think
>>would be unrealistic-- she would have been stupid not to consider the
>>possibility that Maia was real.  
>
>I agree.  And her information was on too many different fronts.  Not ONLY
>did she tap into Lucy's need to know about Serena, but she also did other
>more "objective" things like that stock tip business.

You've touched on exactly one of my problems with the story.  Lucy made a
big deal about wanting Maia to tell her about Serena, but if I recall we
saw precisely *two* conversations about Serena, both right near the start
of the story.  Then they moved on to stock tips and never looked back.  If
Lucy had come back to her hunger to learn about Serena now and then, I
would have hated it less.  But I'll retract my original remark that it made
her look stupid.  As you said in another post, Taiyin, "greedy and needy"
sums it up pretty well, along with gullible.  Of course, we might debate
whether or not it's somewhat stupid to be gullible.... but I'd much rather
spend the time watching Tuesday's PC again and staring in awe at Kevin!!!  :-)

And I don't say "gullible" because she believed that Maia *could* have
genuine spiritual gifts.  I believe that there are people who have them,
and now and then the storyline suggested that Maia was one of them (at
least up to a point).  The problem was in how quickly Lucy trusted her
absolutely.  Lucy even reassured Kevin at one point by telling him, "I may
be many things, but I am not gullible."  And that had always been true in
the past, I think - Lucy wasn't one to accept people at face value,
regardless of her own motives.  Or am I forgetting instances of this (which
is certainly possible)?

And I agree with what you said elsewhere, that Kevin got pretty obnoxious
as time went on.  To him I think it was much like this situation with Rex.
When a threat develops, he starts out being calm, logical, and reasonable,
and that usually doesn't work.  Later, when things start spinning out of
control (at least, in his view), he goes a little nuts.  I mean, as funny
as the skunk was at the party last night, and as much as I cheered him on,
if you view it objectively it was a nasty thing to do to Lucy and to the
other party guests.  

Rika

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From: Maia <maia@ap.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 10:55:56 -0800

>>"Oh God, he looks SO scrumptious scruffy!" -- My sister (who I just 
>>FINALLY managed to s*b to the lists... sucker <g>), about Kevin
>Welcome, Taiyin's sister!  :-)  And, boy, does he ever!!!!!!

Thanks Rika!

I know... rrrrrrooooooowwwwwwrrrrrrr

I was the one with the remote control while she was transcribing those
quotes. I just kept pausing it on his face, so I could drool.

and BTW, stop calling me a sucker... at least I waited until I actually had
a television to watch them on before I had you sub me.


Maia Shea  <maia@mbay.net>

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Another great day for Kevin
Date: 04 Feb 1998 18:33:43 -0500

Skipping on down......

H
E

H
A
S
N
T

S
H
A
V
E
D

Y
E
T
!


Today's PC was..... well, another 'wow'.  First off, Kevin's speech to Lucy
in the elevator - is there a heart in the world that wouldn't be melted by
that man?  And it wasn't just the words - it was the amazing intensity.  I
must have watched it about five times already.

And later.... when Kevin visited Rex's house with the news about Sigmund
and then begged Lucy to leave with him, that was even more amazing.

Yesterday and today, what's real and what's play-acting have merged once
and for all.  Kevin may claim his hijinks at the party were "part of the
act," but he's not just pretending to fight for Lucy - he *is* fighting for
her.  And today, he wasn't begging her to leave with him just for effect.
Those scenes were incredibly powerful - and terribly disturbing.

I thought Kevin's crossover to GH was handled well too.  It filled a hole
in both Kevin's and Mac's storylines, it offered a little plug for what's
happening on PC, and it made good use of Kevin and Felicia's history.

Anyhow, how nice that Jon got to REALLY show his stuff two days in a row.
Plus, it was another day without Scott.  Please, TPTB, may I have another?

Rika
  "So, my amazing, intellectual, cerebral doctor would brawl over me?"
  "You're damn right I would.  I'd fight till my last breath.  I'd move
     mountains, send invasions of skunks.  I'd haunt your dreams.  I will
     never, ever let you go."
  -- Lucy and Kevin, 2/4/98


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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another great day for Kevin
Date: 05 Feb 1998 00:41:47 PST

Rika wrote:
>
>Skipping on down......
>
>H
>E
>
>H
>A
>S
>N
>T
>
>S
>H
>A
>V
>E
>D
>
>Y
>E
>T
>!
>
>
>Today's PC was..... well, another 'wow'.  First off, Kevin's speech >to 
Lucy in the elevator - is there a heart in the world that wouldn't >be 
melted by that man?  And it wasn't just the words - it was the >amazing 
intensity.  I must have watched it about five times already.

Scott who? Call me incredibly selfish but from *that* moment Mr. 
Baldwin, "pal" or not, would have been effectively on his own <VBG>. 
Without a doubt. No hesitation, no regrets. I guess Lucy finds these 
declarations pretty routine because there she was, next scene, back at 
Chez Stanton cozying up to Rex. Argh.  

>And later.... when Kevin visited Rex's house with the news about 
>Sigmund and then begged Lucy to leave with him, that was even more 
>amazing.
>
>Yesterday and today, what's real and what's play-acting have merged 
>once and for all.  Kevin may claim his hijinks at the party were >"part 
of the act," but he's not just pretending to fight for Lucy - >he *is* 
fighting for her.  And today, he wasn't begging her to leave >with him 
just for effect.Those scenes were incredibly powerful - and >terribly 
disturbing.

Very true. Up until now it's always been easy to differentiate between 
real and fake but as of today we (and they) have lost track. With 
Kevin's mentioning in the elevator that his "show" at the party was part 
of the plan and Lucy's trying to scare Rex into thinking that Kevin may 
strike again I thought (and maybe I'm alone in this) that his visit 
*may* have been planned in the elevator, off-screen. But whether it was 
or not, the Sigmund situation was something neither one of them had 
counted on, so while Lucy might have expected Kevin to show up with 
another act for Rex, the very real news of Sigmund completely threw her 
for a loop.    


>I thought Kevin's crossover to GH was handled well too.  It filled a 
>hole in both Kevin's and Mac's storylines, it offered a little plug 
>for what's happening on PC, and it made good use of Kevin and 
>Felicia's history.

LOVED the crossover. 


>
>Anyhow, how nice that Jon got to REALLY show his stuff two days in a 
>row. Plus, it was another day without Scott.  Please, TPTB, may I >have 
another?

I can't say enough good things about Kevin/Jon these past two days. As 
for Scott, it looks like he'll be back in action tomorrow, but, if the 
spoilers are correct, he won't be directly involved in the Rex/Kevin 
battle. Yay!


>Rika
>  "So, my amazing, intellectual, cerebral doctor would brawl over >me?"  
"You're damn right I would.  I'd fight till my last breath.  >I'd move 
mountains, send invasions of skunks.  I'd haunt your dreams. >I will 
never, ever let you go."
>  -- Lucy and Kevin, 2/4/98

I couldn't snip a word of this. 


NovaLee


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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: K&L:  A matter of taste
Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:33:08 -0500


Nope.

Nope.  Nope.  Nope.

So shoot me.  I don't like Scruffy Kevin.  Granted, it's not as bad as
Kevin With Sideburns from his last liason disguise, but I have enough
scruffy men in my life.  By the shrink a razor.

;)

On another note, I can't think of two people who deserve to be skunked more
than Amy and Tony <veg>.

--kg

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: K&L: Re: A matter of taste
Date: 05 Feb 1998 02:18:06 -0800


> So shoot me.  I don't like Scruffy Kevin.  Granted, it's not as bad as
> Kevin With Sideburns from his last liason disguise, but I have enough
> scruffy men in my life.  By the shrink a razor.> 

Oh, ouch!  :)  I so love that man with stubble, with a goatee, and I even
thought those sideburns last week were kinda sexy!  Of course he is lookin'
like the stud he is when he's clean shaven too but, boy oh boy, I am hoping
against all hope that he gets to keep this appearance for awhile. 
Inevitably he will of course shave because he is after all the good doctor,
but it fits well with the story right now and it is oh so sexy!  As a side
note, I've read a couple of times that Lindstrom is too fond of shaving in
real life so I bet he enjoys this little indulgence :)


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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: K&L: Confused
Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:55:20 -0600

Ok I think I am confused about yesterdays episode. So when Kevin went to
Rex's, I took it that he was going to get Lucy and that because Rex had
killed Siggy that the "game' was over. Then when he saw Siggy was all
right, was he still trying to get Lucy to leave or was he back to the
"game".?

If he was really trying to get her out of there why didn't he tell Rex
that the whole thing had been a scam?  He looked absolutely devastated
when Lucy told him she didn't love him. And completely desperate as they
were dragging him out. Now since I won't be able to see today episode
until 1:00 AM maybe this will be cleared up some. But meanwhile does
anyone here know what is "really" going on?

And just for the record (I know I am in the minority here) but I Like
Scott!! So sue me. As long as the writers do not make him a threat to
Kevin and Lucy in a romantic way, whats so bad about him. Of course
they  fight about him but that just gives them more opportunity's to
make up and that I think is our favorite part NO?  Just thought I would
put my 2 cents in.

Debi

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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Confused
Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:49:30 -0500


Debi wrote:

>Then when he saw Siggy was all right, was he 
>still trying to get Lucy to leave or was he back to the
>"game".?

and

>He looked absolutely devastated when Lucy told 
>him she didn't love him. 

Well, I haven't seen Thursday's episode yet either, but my interpretations
is a *relatively* positive one, optimist that I am.  I sincerely hope and
pray that the reason we got the elevator scene ("I'd haunt your dreams..."
Oh my!) was to clue us into the fact that K&L have not only had a chance to
reaffirm their love, but also to plot a little more.  I hope I hope I hope.
 My take is that he was horrified by Sigmund's absence and probably did
intend to make Lucy leave, but when he realized that Rex hadn't been
outright cruel, just devious, he went back to the plan.  That doesn't mean
that it wouldn't hurt to hear Lucy say that she didn't love him...

>And just for the record (I know I am in the 
>minority here) but I Like Scott!!

That's okay, Debi.  I like Rex, except when he's planning to marry Lucy.
You'll just have to counter the anti-Scott rants with your two cents on a
more frequent basis <g>.

--kg

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Confused
Date: 05 Feb 1998 20:17:41 EST

In a message dated 98-02-05 19:42:42 EST, debsan1@airmail.net writes:

<< And just for the record (I know I am in the minority here) but I Like
 Scott!! So sue me. As long as the writers do not make him a threat to
 Kevin and Lucy in a romantic way, whats so bad about him. Of course
 they  fight about him but that just gives them more opportunity's to
 make up and that I think is our favorite part NO?  Just thought I would
 put my 2 cents in.
  >>

Debi, I'm pretty much in agreement with you on this.  I like Scott.  I've
always liked Scott.  In fact I've never liked Luke partially because of his
history with Scott.

I would not like it if they try to convince us that Scott could be a romantic
threat for  Kevin and Lucy.  So long as they don't try that,  I like him.
Sure he's a little blustery and loud, but that's just Scott.    He's also not
the smnartest guy in the world, but then neither is Mac.  I like Mac too.

Anne

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From: AnneBPT@aol.com
Subject: Re: K&L: Confused
Date: 05 Feb 1998 20:17:41 EST

In a message dated 98-02-05 19:42:42 EST, debsan1@airmail.net writes:

<< And just for the record (I know I am in the minority here) but I Like
 Scott!! So sue me. As long as the writers do not make him a threat to
 Kevin and Lucy in a romantic way, whats so bad about him. Of course
 they  fight about him but that just gives them more opportunity's to
 make up and that I think is our favorite part NO?  Just thought I would
 put my 2 cents in.
  >>

Debi, I'm pretty much in agreement with you on this.  I like Scott.  I've
always liked Scott.  In fact I've never liked Luke partially because of his
history with Scott.

I would not like it if they try to convince us that Scott could be a romantic
threat for  Kevin and Lucy.  So long as they don't try that,  I like him.
Sure he's a little blustery and loud, but that's just Scott.    He's also not
the smnartest guy in the world, but then neither is Mac.  I like Mac too.

Anne

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From: Nicole799@aol.com
Subject: K&L: anyone have 2/5 episode?
Date: 05 Feb 1998 20:54:21 EST

Hi all!

Came home to watch my tape to find the VCR never went on!  Were Kevin and Lucy
good?  (The recap made it sound pretty good)  Anyway, if its worth it I would
appreciate it if anyone could make me a copy of the episode.

I'll gladly pay all expenses!

Thanks,

Nicole
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another great day for Kevin
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:23:09 -0500

I gushed over - I mean, objectively discussed - Kevin's incredible speech
in the elevator on Wednesday, and NovaLee wrote:

>Scott who? Call me incredibly selfish but from *that* moment Mr. 
>Baldwin, "pal" or not, would have been effectively on his own <VBG>. 
>Without a doubt. No hesitation, no regrets. I guess Lucy finds these 
>declarations pretty routine because there she was, next scene, back at 
>Chez Stanton cozying up to Rex. Argh.  

I'm hoping that what she was doing was actually leading up to a plan to
finally get to Rex.

>Very true. Up until now it's always been easy to differentiate between 
>real and fake but as of today we (and they) have lost track. With 
>Kevin's mentioning in the elevator that his "show" at the party was part 
>of the plan and Lucy's trying to scare Rex into thinking that Kevin may 
>strike again I thought (and maybe I'm alone in this) that his visit 
>*may* have been planned in the elevator, off-screen. But whether it was 
>or not, the Sigmund situation was something neither one of them had 
>counted on, so while Lucy might have expected Kevin to show up with 
>another act for Rex, the very real news of Sigmund completely threw her 
>for a loop.    

Agreed.  This is just speculation, of course, but it makes sense.  Lucy
lays the groundwork for Rex to start watching his back where Kevin is
concerned; then Kevin shows up and rattles his sabre a little bit.  I think
it's a good plan - it might give Rex pause to believe that "Ryan, The
Sequel" is after him.  Rex can act as tough as he wants, but I think that
men like him, who mostly act in the shadows and use others to do their
dirty work, are essentially cowards.

But Kevin and Lucy hadn't expected Rex to make a pre-emptive strike by
grabbing Sigmund.  So I think Kevin was (for the most part, at least) in
earnest, while Lucy was mostly sticking to the script once she knew Sigmund
was all right.  It made it a fascinating scene because the subtext was
entirely different for each of the three characters involved, and yet what
went on made perfect sense to each of them.

>>  "So, my amazing, intellectual, cerebral doctor would brawl over >me?"  
>"You're damn right I would.  I'd fight till my last breath.  >I'd move 
>mountains, send invasions of skunks.  I'd haunt your dreams. >I will 
>never, ever let you go."
>>  -- Lucy and Kevin, 2/4/98
>
>I couldn't snip a word of this. 

And I still can't.

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A matter of taste
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:27:00 -0500

Cagey wrote:
>> So shoot me.  I don't like Scruffy Kevin.  Granted, it's not as bad as
>> Kevin With Sideburns from his last liason disguise, but I have enough
>> scruffy men in my life.  By the shrink a razor.> 

And Jessica replied:
>Oh, ouch!  :)  I so love that man with stubble, with a goatee, and I even
>thought those sideburns last week were kinda sexy!  Of course he is lookin'
>like the stud he is when he's clean shaven too but, boy oh boy, I am hoping
>against all hope that he gets to keep this appearance for awhile. 
>Inevitably he will of course shave because he is after all the good doctor,
>but it fits well with the story right now and it is oh so sexy! 

I liked it at the engagement party.  A little bit dark and dangerous works
very nicely for me, as I know I've already embarrassed myself by gushing
about!  But at this point it's grown past where I like it.

But I agree with Jessica that it suits the story right now.  I just hope it
disappears when Rex does (and that both of those things happen pretty soon)!

And I'm with Cagey about the sideburns last week.  Ick.  :-)

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:33:53 -0500

Because I do *not* want to discuss today's show (which ended about 1/2 hour
ago here), I thought I'd pass this along instead.  It's from ABCJoanne's
column (I'm sure all of you know that she posts daily comments and scoops
on AOL and on the ABC Web site for the soaps).  This is an excerpt from
what she had to say on Wednesday:

Transmitted: 02/04/98 17:27 (abcport)

If you haven't checked out PC, please do.  Take yesterday's show, for example.
The scenes between Lucy (Lynn Herring), Rex (Wayne Northrop) and Kevin (Jon
Lindstrom) were a riot.  It certainly looks to me like Lynn and Wayne, who are
married in real life, are having a swell time acting together.  And it was
wonderful to have GH's Amy (Shell Kepler) and Tony (Brad Maule) join in the
fun at Lucy and Rex's engagement party.  

Of course, my favorite on the show is Kin Shriner (Scott Baldwin).  I just
can't get enough of that guy and don't like it when he's not on!  How many of
you out there agree with me?


With apologies to those who like Scott, I thought this was unnecessary.
The guy is off the show for ONE day (which is all it had been when she
wrote this) and she's got to say something about not liking it?  I'm
considering e-mailing her to answer that question she asked....

But then, maybe I'm just grumpy because of what happened on today's PC.  It
was nothing we haven't expected, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Heavy sigh....

Rika

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: K&L: Re: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 05 Feb 1998 07:55:17 -0800


> Because I do *not* want to discuss today's show (which ended about 1/2
hour
> ago here), 

PLEASE do tell me about today's show.  I am dying here because we are
having a rain storm in LA and the stupid news is on instead of PC and I
have no idea when they are going to air PC!  I'm dying to know what
happened today!!


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From: Mike and Kathi Mardis <mardis@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: anyone have 2/5 episode?
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:10:50 -0500

Send me your snail mail addy - I'm not quick at coying, but will be glad to
make one for you.

Kathi

At 08:54 PM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>Came home to watch my tape to find the VCR never went on!  Were Kevin and Lucy
>good?  (The recap made it sound pretty good)  Anyway, if its worth it I would
>appreciate it if anyone could make me a copy of the episode.
>
>I'll gladly pay all expenses!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nicole
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Visit the Nora and Bo Homepage!
>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/6999
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>
>-
>
>

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From: Mike and Kathi Mardis <mardis@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:16:03 -0500

At 01:33 PM 2/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Because I do *not* want to discuss today's show (which ended about 1/2 hour
>ago here), I thought I'd pass this along instead.  It's from ABCJoanne's
>column (I'm sure all of you know that she posts daily comments and scoops
>on AOL and on the ABC Web site for the soaps).  This is an excerpt from
>what she had to say on Wednesday:
>
>-----------------------------------------------------
>Transmitted: 02/04/98 17:27 (abcport)
>
>If you haven't checked out PC, please do.  Take yesterday's show, for example.
>The scenes between Lucy (Lynn Herring), Rex (Wayne Northrop) and Kevin (Jon
>Lindstrom) were a riot.  It certainly looks to me like Lynn and Wayne, who are
>married in real life, are having a swell time acting together.  And it was
>wonderful to have GH's Amy (Shell Kepler) and Tony (Brad Maule) join in the
>fun at Lucy and Rex's engagement party.  
>
>Of course, my favorite on the show is Kin Shriner (Scott Baldwin).  I just
>can't get enough of that guy and don't like it when he's not on!  How many of
>you out there agree with me?
>
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
>With apologies to those who like Scott, I thought this was unnecessary.
>The guy is off the show for ONE day (which is all it had been when she
>wrote this) and she's got to say something about not liking it?  I'm
>considering e-mailing her to answer that question she asked....
>

I answered her - told her that's how I felt when Jon Lindstrom was off the
show - but I think TPTB were "fishing" for responses - they are trying to
figure out how to balnace their TWO leading men.


>But then, maybe I'm just grumpy because of what happened on today's PC.  It
>was nothing we haven't expected, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
>
>Heavy sigh....


I am sighing with you...

Kathi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:49:55 -0500

At 07:55 AM 2/5/98 -0800, Jessica wrote:

>PLEASE do tell me about today's show.  I am dying here because we are
>having a rain storm in LA and the stupid news is on instead of PC and I
>have no idea when they are going to air PC!  I'm dying to know what
>happened today!!

Oh oh.  Y'all have been hit hard with both the rain and the news pre-emptions.

Okay, here's the Kevin/Lucy stuff:

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

-

S
N
I
F
F
!
!
!

Kevin got in his car and headed out to go after Lucy; he got stuck in
traffic due to the storm.  He called Lucy from his cell phone.  She
answered; since Rex was there she had to pretend it was a wrong number.  He
begged her not to go through with the wedding; he told her he was on his
way to stop her.

She hung up and suggested to Rex that she was starting to be sorry that
they were getting married without some of the traditions:  "something
borrowed, something blue" and so on.  They talked about it and had more or
less agreed to postpone the wedding; clearly she came to this decision
because of Kevin's phone call.  But then Rex started talking about the big
fancy wedding they could have later:  "Serena can even be your flower girl."

At the mention of Serena's name, Lucy froze.  She reversed course and told
Rex she did want to get married that night after all.

Meanwhile, we periodically saw Kevin trying to get to Lucy and constantly
having to take detours due to various roadblocks because of the storm.  One
cop told him that people shouldn't be on the roads if they didn't have to
be.  Kevin said to himself after the guy left, "Believe me, this is a
matter of life and death."

Kevin eventually arrived at Rex's house - shortly after the Justice of the
Peace left and it was too late.

Blessedly, we didn't see much of the actual wedding - just the "I now
pronounce you....."

Poor Kevin.  Poor Lucy.  And the sad part is, while all that was going on,
Gail was skipping town with Serena (they're stuck in the storm, but they're
still probably safe from Rex).  So, although Lucy doesn't know it, she
didn't help Serena at all by marrying Rex.

Rika

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From: Maia <maia@ap.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:24:48 -0800

>>PLEASE do tell me about today's show.  I am dying here because we are
>>having a rain storm in LA and the stupid news is on instead of PC and I
>>have no idea when they are going to air PC!  I'm dying to know what
>>happened today!!

If you get preempted because of the storm coverage (or for any other local
reason), if the *entire* episode is pre-empted, call your local affiliate
and ask them if they're going to be re-running it. I know when we were
pre-empted this week because of storm coverage, they re-ran PC at 2:37 am.
They will usually rerun in the middle of the night, but if they give you a
strange time like that one, be sure to allow at least 10 minutes on either
end.

ObK&L:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
!
B
E
L
O
W

Geeze, I just wanna throttle Lucy. I had to cover my eyes cause it was too
painful to watch Kevin when he found out he was too late to stop the
ceremony.
Maia Shea  <maia@mbay.net>

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:32:32 -0500

At 01:24 PM 2/6/98 -0800, Maia wrote:
>ObK&L:
>S
>P
>O
>I
>L
>E
>R
>S
>!
>B
>E
>L
>O
>W
>
>Geeze, I just wanna throttle Lucy. I had to cover my eyes cause it was too
>painful to watch Kevin when he found out he was too late to stop the
>ceremony.

In some ways I want to throttle her because the plan spun out of control
quite some time ago, and yet she insisted on sticking with it out of
overconfidence in her ability to manipulate Rex (when, in fact, the reverse
happened).  But today I just wanted to cry for her.  Given the corner she
was in today, even though it was largely of her own making, I think she did
the only thing she could do.  And she looked as tortured as Kevin did when
he came in the door after the wedding.

How very, very sad....

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin and Lucy on Thursday
Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:55:41 -0500

I have a question.  What was everybody's take on the cold shoulder Lucy got
from Karen and Kevin on Thursday after the custody trial?  There didn't
seem to be others lurking about at that point, and certainly Lucy wasn't
behaving appropriately if they *were* being watched or listened to by
people who weren't in on the plan.  But I suppose maybe Lucy was simply too
overwrought to keep up the charade.

On the other hand, in Kevin's case I wondered if he was just plain tired
and didn't have any support to give her.  He was unusually unsympathetic
(especially for a man who essentially pledged undying devotion to her on
the elevator on Wednesday's episode).  But I remember that day not long ago
when she snuggled in his arms and told him how all the wedding preparations
were making her sick, immediately after which she got on the phone and had
an animated conversation with her caterer about the pheasant-and-lobster
meal for her engagement soiree.

Anyhow, I couldn't decide what was going on and I'd be curious to hear some
opinions.  Lucy certainly took it as an honest comment and was deeply hurt
by it.  And it did rather seem that way, but.... well, as we've discussed,
it's getting hard to separate play-acting from reality these days.

Rika

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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A matter of taste
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:04:42 -0800 (PST)

Rika wrote:

>And I'm with Cagey about the sideburns last week.  Ick.  :-)

I can't help it.  Everytime I looked at him, I thought of
Quentin Collins.  Bwahahaha!  Kevin stumbles into
Collinsport and discovers a whole new bag of troubled
relatives <g>...

A
S

F
O
R

F
R
I
D
A
Y
S

S
H
O
W

I can't bear to watch it.  Yuck.  My stomach hurts just
thinking about it.  I'm so unhappy.

--kg

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From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B)
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:10:40 MST

On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:32:32 -0500, Rika wrote:
>At 01:24 PM 2/6/98 -0800, Maia wrote:
>>ObK&L:
>>S
>>P
>>O
>>I
>>L
>>E
>>R
>>S
>>!
>>B
>>E
>>L
>>O
>>W
>>
>>Geeze, I just wanna throttle Lucy. I had to cover my eyes cause it was too
>>painful to watch Kevin when he found out he was too late to stop the
>>ceremony.
>
>In some ways I want to throttle her because the plan spun out of control
>quite some time ago, and yet she insisted on sticking with it out of
>overconfidence in her ability to manipulate Rex 

I agree that a part of it was overconfidence, but, after she testified
against Scott, it also became about proving that she was right.  She
just couldn't let the only thing she accomplished with her plan be
helping to convict Scott and separate him from Serena, the thing
 she was trying to prevent.  I have nothing but sympathy with her in
this area, but...

> <Stuff deleted>, I think she did the only thing she could do.  

I agree, I don't think what she is doing has the power to save Serena
(Rex has too much control), but you can't just watch your child go into
danger and not go too.  However, even this last week she had other
alternatives; admitting she committed perjury wasn't a bad idea, it 
would have caused a mistrial and let them get that evidence about
Bolton presented.  Also, why didn't she tell Eve or Kevin that Rex
had information on Gail and Lee.  Gail could have already fled with 
Serena.  It was the one bit of inside information she managed to get
and she didn't use it.

But, no, I know she isn't thinking clearly now.  The reason I might 
want to throttle her is her phone call to Kevin on Thursday.  What 
kind of message is that!?  I'm never going to let you go, but I'm 
marrying Rex so please don't hate me.  Again, I know she's distraught,
and she probably secretly wants Kevin to come rescue her; but 
I guess I've been thinking for some time that she should at least 
give Kevin the option of bowing out of this whole mess.  I know that
part of the reason for that call was to let Kevin know she still loved
him, but that phone call seemed so much more about her needs than 
Kevin's as opposed to Wednesday when I could see how much it hurt 
her to tell him she didn't love him.

Of course, I won't actually be able to see Friday's episode until 
3:00am so I'm sure she will be heartbroken and I'll be heartbroken
watching her.  Poor Lucy.
--
Anne B
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From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B)
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Lucy on Thursday
Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:45:26 MST

On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:55:41 -0500, Rika wrote:
>I have a question.  What was everybody's take on the cold shoulder Lucy got
>from Karen and Kevin on Thursday after the custody trial?  

I think Kevin was serious, and I think you were right in thinking that
he is exhausted with the whole mess and upset with Lucy for playing
games.  To those two suggestions I will add:

  A. Lucy's plan has hurt Gail and Kevin loves Gail, so he was just too
     overwhelmed with his therapist/friend's pain to feel anybody 
     else's, even Lucy's.
  B. Kevin was serious when he wanted Lucy to leave with him, so when
     he heard her say that she didn't love him and that he was a madman 
     who needed help, it bothered him more than he is admitting.  I think 
     that Kevin is still insecure about Lucy even at the best of times.

Then again, maybe he just didn't like hearing Lucy tell Gail that 
SCOTT and Serena were the most important people in the world too her.
I know I didn't.     
--
Anne B
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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Lucy on Thursday
Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:51:28 -0600



Rika wrote: .

> Anyhow, I couldn't decide what was going on and I'd be curious to hear some
> opinions.  Lucy certainly took it as an honest comment and was deeply hurt
> by it.  And it did rather seem that way, but.... well, as we've discussed,
> it's getting hard to separate play-acting from reality these days.
>
> I think that was a set-up for the writers so later on when as thre scoops say
> ":Lucy's friends all rally around her to save her" it gives her friends
> something to look back on to how they treated her when either they didn't
> know what she was doing or they were just "tired" of the game. At least thats
> my take on things.

Debi

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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Lucy on Thursday
Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:51:28 -0600



Rika wrote: .

> Anyhow, I couldn't decide what was going on and I'd be curious to hear some
> opinions.  Lucy certainly took it as an honest comment and was deeply hurt
> by it.  And it did rather seem that way, but.... well, as we've discussed,
> it's getting hard to separate play-acting from reality these days.
>
> I think that was a set-up for the writers so later on when as thre scoops say
> ":Lucy's friends all rally around her to save her" it gives her friends
> something to look back on to how they treated her when either they didn't
> know what she was doing or they were just "tired" of the game. At least thats
> my take on things.

Debi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:19:01 -0500

A friend of mine sent me these rather comprehensive spoilers for next week
(and a few for the week after) from soap magazines and some online sources.
 If you want lots of surprises from PC next week, you won't want to read
this; if you're worried about Lucy's wedding night or related issues, read
on for the answers.  In keeping with the purpose of this listserv, I edited
out the little bit of stuff unrelated to Kevin/Lucy/Rex.

Rika

***********************************************
This is from SOD, 2/17:
     The residents of PC turn the tables on master manipulator Rex S. this
week.  "There is a last-ditch effort on Kevin's part," previews PC Head Writer
LMLatham.  "Kevin and Jake, with the help of some of the interns, make it
appear that Danielle is still alive and hiding out in the catacombs beneath
PC."   Viewers will recall that Danielle died from injuries she sustained in a
mysterious car accident while she was trying to flee from "Uncle" Rex in
November.
    Kevin's plan to gaslight Rex is an attempt to keep Lucy out of her new
husband's dangerous clutches.  Step one is calling the house and playing a
recording of Danielle's voice to Lucy.  "Lucy and Kevin trick Rex into
following them down into the catacombs, where Danielle is supposedly being
kept alive," notes Latham.  "Rex, carrying a syringe filled with deadly
poison, listens carefully as Lucy talks to 'Danielle'.  But just as Rex is
about to inject her with the poison, he's caught.  It's Eve pretending to be
Danielle."  But don't think it ends there.  Rex suspected that Lucy was up to
something and she soon learns that her husband's treachery has just begun.
********************
And now from SOM: 2/17
     Kevin arrives too late to stop Lucy from marrying Rex -- who's eager to
consummate the marriage.  But this cloud has a silver lining for Serena, since
Lucy will be in the house with her and Rex.  In his desperation, Kevin comes
up with a plan to trap Rex -- by making him think Danielle is still alive.
..<snip>....  As Eve helps Scott get to his plane, Scott calls Lucy to
tell her to bring Serena to meet him there.  Eve and Scott say sad goodbyes,
as Lucy stops at the Firehouse for money.  After Kevin tells her his plan,
they convince Scott to cooperate, and the two men get to work making it look
like Danielle has been held in the catacombs and is on the verge of coming out
of a coma.  Eve agrees to play the part of Danielle, and she spends the
night in the catacombs with Scott.  "The next morning, Eve puts the wig on,
gets in bed and pretends to be Danielle," Pinson says.  "Rex overhears Lucy
say that Danielle is going to be coming out of the the coma in the
catacombs, where they've been hiding her, which means Rex couldn't have
killed Danielle before she was able to tell the cops everything."
     Rex takes the bait and enters the catacombs, listening carefully as
Lucy talks to "Danielle."  But he has a poisonous syringe -- and his own
nefarious plans.
*****************************************
From SOW    (from (BBugEyes) on AOL) sent in e-mail
Week of Feb.9th
Monday 2/09
Lucy tries to avoid sleeping with Rex.  Kevin devises a plan.
<snip>
Friday 2/13
Rex is prepared to carry out his own deadly plan.

     Kevin arrives too late, and isn't able to change Lucy's mind.  Lucy puts
herself in an uncomfortable situation to avoid consummating her marriage,
while Kevin devises a new plan to trap Rex.  Frank comes to the rescue.
Karen is disappointed that she ruined Gail and Serena's escape.  Serena goes
to live with Rex and Lucy, and Lucy makes her a promise. ...<snip>... Kevin
and Lucy convince Scott to side with them. ...<snip>... Rex is alarmed by
what he hears; he follows Kevin and Lucy to meet a certain someone from his
past.  

     Lucy resorts to drastic measures to avoid sleeping with Rex:  At first
Lucy gets Rex to leave the room to slip into something a little more
comfortable.  While Rex is gone, Lucy considers a variety of options,
like grossing him out by slitting her wrists with his samurai sword and
bleeding all over his carpet, or telling him she has suicidal tendencies she
can't control, or getting drunk and vomiting on the carpet.  But suddenly
she sees a bottle of Marsala wine, and has a flashback with Audrey that she
had an allergic reaction to it and she gets hives.  Bingo.  That gets Lucy
off the hook the next night too.   The antihistamines are making Lucy tired
and she sort of falls asleep every time Rex tries to kiss her.  Rex's
romantic stirrings take a backseat when Serena moves in.  Serena is scared
and doesn't like Rex at all and doesn't want to be there.  So instead of
using her good manners, she decides she is going to fight him a little bit.
And, of course, Lucy  is kind of laughing behind her hand, because it is
pretty funny.  Serena's prank is child's play compared to the plan Kevin has
cooked up.  Kevin, Lucy, Scott, Karen, Jake, Joe and Eve join forces to make
Rex believe Danielle is still alive, and then to lure him to the catacombs.
Although Rex at first appears to take the bait, he's ready with his own
counterattack.

Week of Feb.16th
...<snip>...  Katherine gives Kevin some useful information.
***********************

>From RATSA's Teresa.....  (this was written a few days ago)

OK, I'm behind on reading ratsa so this may have already have been posted.
But.....I just heard this on the radio....

In about 2 weeks Rex will be found out!  Eve and Scott (I assume Scott
is 'behind' the scenes) will trick Rex into confessing and the police
will hear the confession and arrest him.  I don't have alot of details
but I speculate that they will either tape it or be in cahoots with
the FBI agent and he will be hiding somewhere.  Also, they said that Rex
will try to kill Lucy.


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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: KEVIN, LUCY, AND BEING USED
Date: 07 Feb 1998 17:28:43 -0500

Happy Saturday!

This is perhaps not the best choice of transcript to make us feel better
after having to watch Kevin and Lucy's hearts breaking on Friday's PC.  But
at least it's a reminder of how much they've already survived - and they're
still together!  

Rika

-------------------------
KEVIN, LUCY, AND BEING USED - October, 1994

When we last left our heroes, they had just made a dinner date at Kevin's
place to explore "Chernobyl."  There is definitely an explosion at the
Lighthouse on this night; it's just not the kind Kevin and Lucy were hoping
for.  And so, without further ado, here is Failed Lovemaking Attempt #4,
which could well be considered the turning point of the Kevin/Lucy
relationship.

Kevin is in his kitchen, preparing for Lucy's arrival.  He pauses for a
moment after opening a bottle of wine (no doubt the crisp Chardonnay he
mentioned that afternoon) and thinks back to Lucy's visit to his office
earlier that day, when she did her best to seduce him.  He smiles at the
memory, and carries the wine and a serving dish of hors d'oeuvres to the
living room.  He turns on some music, and then approaches his easel, which
displays four pencil sketches of hands reaching out of the water.  Shaking
his head, he removes the sketches from the easel and places them on top of
a table.  Just then the doorbell rings.

K: "Right on time."  
(He goes to the door and opens it.  It's Lucy.)
K: "Hi."
L: "Hi."
K: "You look lovely.  And wary."
(He's right on both counts.)
L: "That's exactly what I am.  Wary."
K: "Would you like to lay down on my couch and tell me all about it?"
L: "I don't even know if I want to step one foot into that door, much
  less get in any prone positions."
K: "Is this the sound of second thoughts I'm hearing?"
L: "Mmm hmm.  No.  Maybe.  What do you think we're doing?  This is
  awfully risky, don't you think, I mean, dining alone?  Maybe we should
  go out to dinner, you know, someplace more public.  The chances for
  disaster would be much more limited."
K: "Oh, I'm surprised.  Since when did you stop responding to
   challenges?"
L: "Since I realized I keep bucking fate, and I'm not very successful
   with you."
K: "Well, don't let the other night get you paranoid.  Think of it for
   what it was - an aberration."
L: "An aberration?"
K: "Mmm hmm."
L: "An aberration?"
K: "Mmm hmm."
L: "It was madness; it was lunacy!  You were dying an agonizing death on
   my living room floor while my whole apartment could have burned down
   to the ground."
K: "Ah, yes, but it didn't!  It still stands, and so do I.  You're better
   at bucking fate than you think, Lucy.  Now, you're not really
   considering not coming in.  You're here, aren't you?  It seems like a
   waste of a trip, to come so close and then lose your nerve."
L: "Why, Doctor, that sounds like a challenge of another kind."
K: "Rise to it, Lucy."
L: "Okay, but I am not going to come through that door unless you give me
   your solemn promise me this will not be another night of hideous,
   unspeakable frustration."
K: "Oh, there are several things on the agenda for tonight, but
   frustrations for either one of us is not one of them."

Lucy enters the Lighthouse at last.  She unzips her coat as Kevin closes
the door.  He comes up behind her, reaching around with both arms to remove
her coat.  Even this slight contact between them is electric, and obviously
they both feel it.

Later, Lucy is wandering about, a wine glass in her hand, inspecting the
living room.  Kevin is in the kitchen working on dinner as they talk:

L: "You know, this really is a lovely place.  Of course, there are a
   couple of things I would have done differently."
K: "Don't remind me.  Chintz and celadon, the two most compelling reasons
   I eighty-sixed your whole decorating scheme."
L: "You know, you really are amazing.  For a man who makes his living
   being rational, you can be extremely rigid."
(Kevin doesn't respond, but the look on his face makes it quite clear
  what *kind* of rigidity he's thinking about.  Lucy belatedly
  recognizes the unintentional double entendre and tries to recover.)
L: "Well, uh, you know, I mean, we would have come to a meeting of the
   minds eventually.  As I remember, we were almost getting there."
K: "Ah, you're beginning to rewrite history, Lucy.  Every idea you came
   up with, it made me feel like breaking out in hives."
L: "Shut your mouth!  Don't you dare mention hives!  I hope you're not
   cooking shellfish in there." 
(Lucy wanders over to the table on which Kevin had placed the sketches of
  hands.  Curious, she picks them up and looks at them.  Just then, Kevin
  comes out of the kitchen and sees what she is doing.  Annoyed, he
  strides over to where she is standing.)
K: "I wish you wouldn't do that."
(Lucy is startled; she spills her wine on one of the sketches.)
L: "Oh, well, I wish you wouldn't sneak up behind me like that.  Look
   what you made me do!"
(Kevin takes the sketch from her.)
K: "Well, it wouldn't happen if you weren't poking your nose into things
   that don't concern you."
L: "Kevin, I wasn't poking my nose.  I was just glancing at something - I
   just took a peek at something."
K: "I've already told you, Lucy - my work is personal.  Now does that
   mean anything to you?"
L: "Well, of course it does.  But if it's so personal, it shouldn't just
   be left where anybody could see it."
K: "Well, most people would assume that sketches left face down are put
   that way for a reason."
L: "Well, I'm sorry.  It's ruined, isn't it?"
K: "Yes."
L: "I ruined it.  Okay, well, you drew it once.  Couldn't you just repeat
   it and do it again."
(Kevin petulantly crumples up the paper and tosses it on the floor.  His
  mood is now dark, angry, and closed, in stark contrast to his relaxed,
  flirtatious demeanor earlier in the scene.)
K: "I hate repeating myself."
L: "Kevin, what are they?"
K: "Nothing."
L: "Nothing?  You just go ballistic on me here and you're telling
   me they're nothing?"
K: "Well, sketches don't have to have some dark, hidden meaning.  You
   just follow your hand where it wants to go."
(Methinks the Doc doth protest too much.  So doth Lucy.)
L: "I don't think that that's what happened here.  I mean, I don't know
   art or anything, but I know what I like, and I know what touches me. 
   And this touched me because obviously it means something to you,
   something very important."
K: "Let it go, Lucy."
L: "No.  No, I won't, because I'm right.  Look at you.  You have that
   same closed up, tight-lipped look on your face that you had a few
   weeks ago when I was so worried about you."
K: "I'm going to check on dinner."
(He tries to walk away but Lucy grabs his arm.)
L: "No.  Don't walk away from me.  This is it, isn't it?  This is it. 
   This is what you've been sharing with Felicia and you keep shutting me
   out of.  Am I right?  Oh, I got it, I get it, I got what you're going
   to do.  You are going to run and hide behind all those barriers of
   yours and close me out again, aren't you?  Where do I go to get
   Felicia's job, huh?"
K: "Lucy, I have been looking forward to spending this time with you all
   day.  I really don't want this evening to deteriorate into another
   battle."
L: "Well, neither do I.  That's why I want you to just answer this one
   simple question.  Are these sketches what you've been sharing with
   Felicia and not me?"
(A point-blank question.  But we're dealing with the master of evasion
  here.  And evade he does.)
K: "Lucy, remember the last time we were together?  Before everything
   went haywire?  Luke, Damian, and Felicia were names that we both
   agreed neither of us would utter.  The last on that list was added by
   you, as I recall."
L: "Kevin -"
(Kevin moves in close to Lucy.)
K: "Lucy, don't you see?  We do just fine until we bring the ghosts of
   other people into the room with us.  What do I have to do to be alone
   with you?"
(They kiss.  And kiss.  And kiss.  Lucy sinks down to the couch, drawing
  Kevin down on top of her as they continue to kiss.  So much for not getting
  in any prone positions!  Kevin pulls back slightly to look into her eyes.)
K: "I want to drown in you right now."
(Interesting choice of words, considering the subject matter of those
  sketches.)
L: "Me too.  Right now."
(They return to kissing.  Right on cue, the Phone of Doom rings.  They 
 laugh.)
L: "No, don't even think about answering."
K: "I don't hear a thing."
(Ah, if only that were true.  They return to kissing as Kevin's answering
  machine picks up the call.  And we hear that unmistakeably squeaky
  voice:  Felicia.  At the sound of the voice, Kevin stops kissing Lucy
  and starts listening to Felicia.)
L: "Don't you even dare think about it, no!"
(Lucy pulls Kevin's face back to hers and kisses him, trying to distract
  him.  But he pulls up into a sitting position.)
L: "What?  Oh, brother!  I am going to scream here!  I am going to
   scream!"
(Kevin looks totally torn and unsure what to do.  On the phone, Felicia
  blathers on and on AND ON about thinking that she sees Frisco all over
  the place.  Lucy continues to try to distract Kevin, raining kisses 
  on his face and trying to hold him down on the sofa with her.)
K: "Lucy - "
(He starts to pull himself upright, but Lucy redoubles her efforts and
  manages to distract him for a short while.  Felicia, though, keeps on
  babbling, and finally Kevin pulls away from Lucy.)
K: "Oh, Lucy -"
(He reaches for the receiver to his cordless phone.  But before he can
  turn it on and answer the phone, Lucy grabs it from him, gets up, and
  moves behind the couch.)
K: "No, give me - give me that phone!"
(Lucy backs away from him, holding the phone behind her back; Kevin
  follows her, pleading for the phone.  Then Lucy hears Felicia say that
  the 'rubber band solution just isn't working.')
L: "Rubber band?  What the heck is a rubber band solution?"
K: "It's a long story.  Shhh."
L: "Shh?  Don't you dare shush me!" 
K: "I just want to hear what she has to say.  Give me the phone."
L: "No."
K: "Give it here."
L: "No."
K: "Lucy!"
(By now they have circled back in front of the couch.  Lucy sticks the
  phone underneath a sofa pillow, grabs Kevin, and pulls him down onto
  the couch with her.  They start kissing again.  Unfortunately for Lucy,
  though, Kevin reaches under the cushion and manages to retrieve the phone.)
K: "Ha!"
(Lucy lunges for the phone, but fails to grab it this time.)
K: "Felicia, I'm here, I'm here.  I'm sorry it took me so long to get to
   the phone - my hands were full.  But I heard everything you said."
(Kevin and Felicia talk about her problem while Lucy angrily snarfs down
  a cracker.  Then Felicia asks:)
F: "You weren't in the middle of anything, were you?"
K: "No -"
(Lucy poses, offering Kevin a display of quite a bit of bare leg through
  the slit in her dress.  This gets his attention for a moment, but he
  drags it back to Felicia.  They talk some more; I won't bore you with
  the details.  Lucy loses patience.)
L: "Oh, for Pete's sake, can't the woman fasten her own bra without your
   help?"
(Kevin glares at Lucy.  Felicia asks if Kevin has company.)
K: "No, it's one of those all-night radio talk shows.  I'll *turn it off*." 

The emphasis was for Lucy, to whom he gives a "cut" signal.  Kevin goes
back to counseling Felicia.  Lucy climbs up on the couch, maneuvers her way
behind Kevin, and reaches around in front of him with both arms to unbutton
his shirt while kissing the top of his head.  Kevin tries to stop her -
finally he stands up, throwing Lucy off balance.  She nearly falls off the
sofa onto her head, and at this point she gives up.  She sits on the sofa,
clutching a pillow and looking angry and hurt as Kevin continues to tell
Felicia things he's told her about 500 times already.  There is one
interesting exchange:

K: ...."and it also isn't fair that you arbitrarily decide how he'll
   respond, based on the fact that you've shut him out.  Now, if he did
   that to you, you'd be furious, right?"
(Lucy can't believe this remark.  Physician, heal thyself....)
F: "Yeah, you're right.  I just - I can't bring myself to tell him."
K: "Well, then, I think you're being very selfish."
(Lucy agrees with THIS.  Kevin continues.  Lucy gets up off the couch,
  barely able to stay silent.  She looks at Kevin with growing rage and
  hurt as he goes on and on.  Finally, he asks Felicia:)
K: "Do you need anything?  Company, anything like that?"
(Lucy socks Kevin in the arm in fury.  Felicia, thank heaven, refuses the
  offer.  They babble about detective novels.  Kevin glances nervously at
  Lucy and then deals her the final cruel blow.)
K: "Listen, Felicia, if you can't sleep, call back.  I never close."
(Kevin hangs up at last.  He knows he's in trouble, but he doesn't know
  how big the trouble is going to be.  He turns to Lucy.)
K: "I had to pick up."
L: "Yeah, so I noticed.  What don't we analyze THAT, Doctor?"
K: "Oh, for heaven's sake, Lucy.  She was obviously in turmoil, and the
   woman is my friend."
L: "Your friend?  Could you please, please spare me yet another
   description of the world's greatest friendship?  Kevin, I'm beginning 
   to choke on it.  What about me?"
K: "This has nothing to do with you."
L: "Oh, no?  Well, excuse me, but I happen to take it very personally
   when you practically drop me on the floor so you can run to the phone
   and answer a call from your precious little Felicia."
(Kevin's been holding back a bit up to this point, but now he's mad.)
K: "Oh - where is your sensitivity?  She's in the middle of a life-
   altering crisis, Lucy."
L: "Fine.  Then tell her to do what everybody else does - make an appoint-
   ment during regular office hours and stay the hell out of my time."
K: "Your time?  Well, excuse me.  I'm sorry, I was under the obviously
   mistaken idea that MY time was my own."
L: "Oh, oh boy, this is so typical of you.  You deflect the conversation
   so we're arguing about something else that isn't even the point here."
K: "Then what is the point here, Lucy?"
L: "Consideration.  Consideration, Kevin, for me, for my feelings.  But
   wait, no, no, no, that's just too up close and personal for you, isn't
   it?  You'd rather dispassionate caring.  You just dispense your little
   advice, you send the bill, it's all neat and tidy and you don't have
   to get down and wallow in the mire like the rest of us.
K: "You don't really expect me to respond to that, do you?"
(Well, Doc I'm not sure what you'd say besides, 'Wow, is that ever
  insightful.'  And you're not ready to admit that yet.  Lucy proceeds, her
  voice choked with tears.)
L: "No, no, I don't, of course not.  But I want you to know something.
   I have tried very hard for you.  I have tried to be very honest with 
   you, and I have let you into places that I have never given another 
   human being access to.  But you don't play fair, Doc.  You just don't
   play fair, because I am doing all the work.  And you, you keep what's
   closest and dearest to your heart, and you take it and you give it to
   somebody else.  But that's okay, isn't it?  That's fine, what does it
   matter?  It's just good old Lucy.  She's good for a few laughs, a little
   sex.  Forget the serious stuff - she'd never understand it anyway."
(Kevin is astonished.  He responds very gently:)
K: "That's not how I think about you."
L: "Oh, yeah.  Oh, yeah, sure it is.  But you know, it's good, it's okay,
   because it's being used, but it's different than being used by Damian. 
   Because you somehow make it seem so intelligent and so sophisticated. 
   It's like one of those oh-so-witty '40's black and white movies.  But,
   God, the knot in my stomach still feels exactly the same."
(Lucy grabs her coat and purse and starts running for the door.  Kevin
  runs after her.)
K: "Lucy, wait!"
L: "No!"
K: "Lucy!"
L: "What, Kevin?  What do you want me to wait for?  Do you want me to
   wait and wait until you're able to treat me like Felicia, treat me
   like the rest of your friends?  Okay, pal, I'll wait, but don't you
   dare hold your breath!"

Lucy runs out the door in nearly hysterical tears.  Kevin stands near the
door at first, looking for somewhere to release his pent-up frustration.
Finally he kicks through a table.  He picks up what's left of it and
smashes it to the floor; then he kicks over his easel.  He rips up the
remaining sketches, shouting:

K: "Damn you, Grace, damn you!!!"

He stands alone in the room, bent over, breathing hard.  And.... out.

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 07 Feb 1998 14:31:31 -0800

> A friend of mine sent me these rather comprehensive spoilers for next
week
> (and a few for the week after) from soap magazines and some online
sources.
 
Thanks so much for sharing!  It is so good to finally know what is going to
go down with them.  By the way, I really love the transcripts you write up
every week.  I have those scenes memorized so completely in my head but I
still love reading them every week and I like your analysis.

So far as the spoilers go:
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I am so happy that it actually looks like Lucy is going to avoid sleeping
with that reptile!!  This is the one thing that I was absolutely not going
to be able to stomach.  And from the looks of it Rex will not be able to
keep Kevin away from Lucy (being her husband etc) after she gets hurt since
it seems pretty clear that Rex is going to inject her with the poisen
himself.  I'm really looking forward to a Luke visit as well.  He and Lucy
are such good friends that it really doesn't make sense to not have them
interact at all.


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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:13:21 -0500

At 02:31 PM 2/7/98 -0800, Jessica wrote:
>So far as the spoilers go:
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>I am so happy that it actually looks like Lucy is going to avoid sleeping
>with that reptile!!  This is the one thing that I was absolutely not going
>to be able to stomach. 

Amen!  I tried to stay confident that TPTB understood that *that* would be
going too far.  So now we shouldn't have to worry about potential horrors
like 
a "whose baby is it?" story down the road or anything like that.

Also, I wondered - did anybody foresee Kevin's plan?  I suggested the
gaslighting idea a week or so ago (but then decided I was wrong the middle
of last week), but I never thought of them using Danielle to do it.  I was
thinking in terms of them somehow manufacturing Avery's voice, or somehow
making Rex think that Boynton didn't really die (which would have been
tough since Rex probably made sure Boynton was dead before he left the safe
house).  But using Danielle instead makes *so* much sense.  We know she
left some answering machine messages around, and I could see Jake having
saved one for sentimental reasons.  And, though it's not a pleasant memory,
Kevin has some experience using answering machine messages to fool people.
Plus, we never saw Danielle's body, so Rex probably never did either.

> And from the looks of it Rex will not be able to
>keep Kevin away from Lucy (being her husband etc) after she gets hurt since
>it seems pretty clear that Rex is going to inject her with the poisen
>himself. 

I'm glad that Rex will probably not be on the scene at the hospital,
because I thought how awful it would be for Kevin if Rex prevented Kevin
from seeing Lucy (though somehow I suspect Kevin would have found a way to
get in there.  Scrubs and a surgical mask, perhaps?)

As to the poison, the only thing that makes me wonder is that one of the
spoilers said they catch Rex trying to inject Eve-as-Danielle.  Wouldn't
they grab the syringe from him *right* away?  In that case, perhaps he has
something *else* up his sleeve (so to speak) for Lucy.  But I suppose he
could have two syringes, or that there could be a struggle in which she
gets injected, or who knows......

>I'm really looking forward to a Luke visit as well.  He and Lucy
>are such good friends that it really doesn't make sense to not have them
>interact at all.

I wonder how long she'll actually be in the hospital.  If it's poison, she
would be in great peril at first, but once they figure out an antidote or
whatever her recovery might actually be very quick.  In that case there
might not be much time for visitors.  Also, since TG has been gone from GH
for such a long time, if he's coming back soon they'll probably be using
him very heavily over there (what with Bobbie finding out who Carly is and
all).  Too bad, because a Luke/Lucy visit would be great.

How's this:  let's have a Kevin/Lucy wedding SOONER instead of later, and
then perhaps we can see Luke dancing at the reception! 

Rika

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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 08 Feb 1998 09:14:56 -0800



> From: Rika 
as far as the spoilers go:
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
> ><
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So now we shouldn't have to worry about potential horrors
> like 
> a "whose baby is it?" story down the road or anything like that.

YES, I was so convinced at one point that's where they were headed and it
was so depressing, but it looks like things are going to be fine and dandy
and that front.  I was sort of wishing that in his argumentation against
this whole situation with Rex Kevin would have brought up the fact that
they were supposed to be having a baby and that they don't have all the
time in the world.  

> 
> I'm glad that Rex will probably not be on the scene at the hospital,
> because I thought how awful it would be for Kevin if Rex prevented Kevin
> from seeing Lucy (though somehow I suspect Kevin would have found a way
to
> get in there.  Scrubs and a surgical mask, perhaps?)

Yeah, he would find a way but I want him there 24/7 :)

> As to the poison, the only thing that makes me wonder is that one of the
> spoilers said they catch Rex trying to inject Eve-as-Danielle.  Wouldn't
> they grab the syringe from him *right* away?  In that case, perhaps he
has
> something *else* up his sleeve (so to speak) for Lucy.  

I never thought about that.  I don't think I heard about him trying to
inject Eve I thought I just heard that he brings the syringe intending it
for Eve.  You could be right though.  I still want more details about this
'Lucy and her endangered life' situation.

<her recovery might actually be very quick.  In that case there
> might not be much time for visitors.  Also, since TG has been gone from
GH
> for such a long time, if he's coming back soon they'll probably be using
> him very heavily over there (what with Bobbie finding out who Carly is
and
> all).  Too bad, because a Luke/Lucy visit would be great.

I keep reading over and over again that Luke will be on PC in late Feb.,
that his scenes will be with Lucy, and that he will be part of a
'hush-hush' story.  This confuses and intrigues me greatly.  I don't
understand it but that's what everyone is saying.

> How's this:  let's have a Kevin/Lucy wedding SOONER instead of later, and
> then perhaps we can see Luke dancing at the reception! 
> 

YAY!!  Let's hope this whole fiasco made both Kevin and Lucy realize how
desperately they need to marry one another and FAST.  Then we can see about
that baby again :)  


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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: K&L: What if?
Date: 08 Feb 1998 16:52:01 -0600

I have a "what if"...........knowing Rex the way we all do, could it not
be possible that the Justice of the Peace that married Rex and Lucy was
just someone hired by Rex? That way he could have Lucy and if this was a
scam, as he I know in his heart (assuming that he has one) he thinks it
is. He wouldn't have to share the fortune with her if she left him. To
me it just seems the Rexlike thing to do. What do you think?

Debi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: What if?
Date: 08 Feb 1998 19:38:21 -0500

At 04:52 PM 2/8/98 -0600, Debi wrote:
>I have a "what if"...........knowing Rex the way we all do, could it not
>be possible that the Justice of the Peace that married Rex and Lucy was
>just someone hired by Rex? That way he could have Lucy and if this was a
>scam, as he I know in his heart (assuming that he has one) he thinks it
>is. He wouldn't have to share the fortune with her if she left him. To
>me it just seems the Rexlike thing to do. What do you think?

I think that's very reasonable!  I must say, though, the whole thing about
Rex's plans for Serena's fortune is confusing to me.  The money is
Serena's, and as I understand what Scott said, can be used only for
Serena's welfare.  That *could*, I suppose, be interpreted to involve
luxury homes with large staffs of servants, trips around the world, private
planes, and yachts, but it's not as though any wife of Rex's could claim
half of the fortune in a divorce settlement.  Now, if something happened to
Serena down the road, I suppose the money might conveniently revert to
Uncle Rexy, and then the situation would change.

I wonder how much money Rex actually has of his own?  He used much of the
$5M in diamonds to incriminate Scott, so he's probably not living off of
that.  He seems to be quite wealthy in his own right, perhaps from those
European business ventures.  Then again, Lucy has a fair amount of money
herself.

Anyway, I love this possibility, because I'd much rather that Lucy was
never married to that creep than that Kevin winds up being her *next*
husband after Rex.

Rika

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:17:04 PST

Jessica wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: Rika 
>as far as the spoilers go:
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
>> ><
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>
>> As to the poison, the only thing that makes me wonder is that one 
>>of the spoilers said they catch Rex trying to inject 
>>Eve-as-Danielle.  Wouldn't they grab the syringe from him *right* 
>>away?  In that case, perhaps he has something *else* up his sleeve 
>>(so to speak) for Lucy.  

>I never thought about that.  I don't think I heard about him trying >to 
inject Eve I thought I just heard that he brings the syringe >intending 
it for Eve.  You could be right though.  I still want more >details 
about this 'Lucy and her endangered life' situation.

From the spoilers that have been circulating (the interns work against 
time to save Lucy and "desperately try to keep her alive" etc.) the 
speculation that she will be poisoned seems right on. Also, Rex's 
herbalist is scheduled to make an appearance around the 24th or 25th 
according to ABC Online. The syringe might not be the source of Lucy's 
poisoning, however.  I'd imagine that if Rex were intending to kill 
Danielle by lethal injection, before she emerges from the coma and 
spills to the FBI, he'd use something that would take effect immediately 
and Lucy obviously does not succumb right away.   The spoilers also 
mentioned that Rex had been suspecting that Lucy was betraying him so he 
may *already* be poisoning her slowly as per his original plan and Lucy 
may not show symptoms until later. This sounds really horrible and more 
than a little DOOLish, but, if handled correctly has great dramatic 
potential, as everyone tries to determine what Rex has given Lucy and 
searches for an antidote but realizes that they may be powerless to stop 
it. We're sure to get some FAB Kevin/Lucy, Kevin/Rex scenes out of it.   


>> Too bad, because a Luke/Lucy visit would be great.

>I keep reading over and over again that Luke will be on PC in late 
>Feb., that his scenes will be with Lucy, and that he will be part of >a 
'hush-hush' story.  This confuses and intrigues me greatly.  I >don't 
understand it but that's what everyone is saying.

I think his appearance is also scheduled for the 24th or 25th as he 
"makes a very special visit to a very dear friend (Lucy)". Again this is 
from ABC Online. Sounds to me like this is a hospital visit- Lucy must 
be in pretty bad shape to warrant a Luke crossover. As for the hush-hush 
storyline, I am clueless. I know Luke comes over to PC primarily to see 
Lucy but perhaps he also runs into Scott. Didn't Guza mention that Luke 
and Scott would be having some scenes together soon and that this would 
dredge up some interesting/surprising things from the past? No real 
shocker here though since any encounter between the two is bound to 
bring up a few *issues* from the past. I guess we'll have to wait and 
see. In any case, I'm really looking forward to the Luke/Lucy stuff.


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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:52:56 -0500

At 10:17 PM 2/8/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:
>>as far as the spoilers go:
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
>>> ><
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>>> ><
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>
>>
>I'd imagine that if Rex were intending to kill 
>Danielle by lethal injection, before she emerges from the coma and 
>spills to the FBI, he'd use something that would take effect immediately 
>and Lucy obviously does not succumb right away.   The spoilers also 
>mentioned that Rex had been suspecting that Lucy was betraying him so he 
>may *already* be poisoning her slowly as per his original plan and Lucy 
>may not show symptoms until later. 

That's what I'm wondering about too, and your information about Rex
consulting his herbalist (which I think I snipped - oh, well) strengthens
that idea.  That would be rather macabre - to kill Lucy somehow with herbs
when she was taking herbal remedies in order to be able to create new life.
 Yup, Rex would appreciate the irony.  

I also started wondering if that pendant he gave her could have any
malevolent purpose.  His wording was interesting - wasn't it something
like, "It came into my possession after my mother's death"?  I could just
imagine Rex discovering his mother's body (or killing her himself, who
knows) and then stealing the pendant.

>This sounds really horrible and more 
>than a little DOOLish, but, if handled correctly has great dramatic 
>potential, as everyone tries to determine what Rex has given Lucy and 
>searches for an antidote but realizes that they may be powerless to stop 
>it. We're sure to get some FAB Kevin/Lucy, Kevin/Rex scenes out of it.   

Yes, indeed!  And it also explains how they could string Lucy's medical
crisis out for a couple of weeks, which wouldn't be easy to do if it were a
fast-acting poison, a gunshot wound, or other sorts of things.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:19:16 -0800

This was one of the poll questions today on abc.com:

>On Monday, February 16th, Rex has been lured to the
>catacombs as part of Kevin's plan. What will happen? 

Unfortunately "fall into a black hole, never to be heard from again" was
not an option.

Taiyin
"Well, don't tell me that you're trying to perhaps let 
   me know that you, what -- find me attractive?"
--"Magnetic.  Like those bug zappers.  You know 
       it's certain death, but you dive in anyway."
	       -- Lucy and Kevin



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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: K&L: Re: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:09:44 -0800

Taiyin wrote:


>This was one of the poll questions today on abc.com:
>
>>On Monday, February 16th, Rex has been lured to the
>>catacombs as part of Kevin's plan. What will happen?
>
>Unfortunately "fall into a black hole, never to be heard from again" was
>not an option.

I'm so excited about this new plan!!  Finally an end in sight!  And about
today's show...
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S

A
B
O
U
T

T
O
D
A
Y
'
S

S
H
O
W
!


It was so good to see Kevin get drunk again... I really enjoy Jon
Lindstrom's portrayal of a drunk Kevin.  He cracks me up.  And Lucy's plan
was just too funny.  I was laughing so hard at Rex's reaction to her.  Those
'sores' did look really disgusting though.  I just wish that Lucy could have
told Kevin that she would do whatever she could to not sleep with Rex
instead of letting him obsess in misery about the two of them being
together.  I hope she tells him soon.  I enjoyed Lucy's little bout of
talking to herself and agonizing over her situation.  I'm glad to hear that
she realized the fact that there is a line which she may NOT cross.  Only
she shouldn't have been admitting that to herself, she should have been
telling Kevin.  One thing that I HATED... what the heck was that line about
kissing Rex and 'enjoying it'????  What was that supposed to mean.  Totally
extraneous and disgusting line to thrown in there.  No way in the world Lucy
could enjoy kissing that reptile when she should be kissing our Kevin.  What
were the writers thinking with that one?!  Anyway, I'm just so glad that it
looks like there will be an end to this whole thing and that we will get
some good, dramatic, emotional scenes with Lucy and Doc.


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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:55:06 -0600



Rika wrote:

> At 10:17 PM 2/8/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:
> >>as far as the spoilers go:
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> ><
> >>> >
> >
> >>
> >I'd imagine that if Rex were intending to kill
> >Danielle by lethal injection, before she emerges from the coma and
> >spills to the FBI, he'd use something that would take effect immediately
> >and Lucy obviously does not succumb right away.   The spoilers also
> >mentioned that Rex had been suspecting that Lucy was betraying him so he
> >may *already* be poisoning her slowly as per his original plan and Lucy
> >may not show symptoms until later.
>
> That's what I'm wondering about too.

My idea is that he has been poisoning her all along but also slipping her an
antidote. So as long as he wants her, she stays safe, but if anything happens
to him then Lucy is left without even knowing what's wrong with her. But
knowing Rex he would tell them just to watch them squirm..

Debi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:10:37 -0500

At 10:09 AM 2/9/98 -0800, Jessica wrote:
>I'm so excited about this new plan!!  Finally an end in sight!  And about
>today's show...
>S
>P
>O
>I
>L
>E
>R
>S
>
>A
>B
>O
>U
>T
>
>T
>O
>D
>A
>Y
>'
>S
>
>S
>H
>O
>W
>!
>
>
>It was so good to see Kevin get drunk again... I really enjoy Jon
>Lindstrom's portrayal of a drunk Kevin.  He cracks me up. 

I loved that the show managed to be very sad and yet very funny both at
once,   and I think Jon Lindstrom deserves most of the credit for that.
The scenes in the bar could have been played for pure comedy as they were
written.  (And I agree - an inebriated Kevin is a rare treat.  He's a hoot
as he tries to maintain a wobbly dignity.)  But every time Kevin drained
that shot glass, he did it with such grim determination; then he would get
a look of despair on his face that went right to my heart.  It was a
reminder that he was drinking because the pain was too huge to bear if he
were sober.

I also marveled yet again at how far this poor man has come since the "old
days".  During the period of the transcripts I've been posting, he was so
buttoned-up when it came to emotions.  But today he unashamedly wore his
broken heart on his sleeve for everyone to see.

But I have one minor quibble.  Since when does our Doc drink whiskey when
he's upset?  That should have been a bottle of Akavit!

 And Lucy's plan
>was just too funny.  I was laughing so hard at Rex's reaction to her.  Those
>'sores' did look really disgusting though.  

I was surprised at first that she'd take that route instead of faking
illness, but it worked better to have Rex repulsed by her because of the
sores.  However, how *convenient* that there was a bottle of marsala on
hand.  

I just wish that Lucy could have
>told Kevin that she would do whatever she could to not sleep with Rex
>instead of letting him obsess in misery about the two of them being
>together.  I hope she tells him soon. 

Can you imagine the torture he must be going through right now?  He would
*have* to assume that Lucy and Rex were having a "normal" wedding night.
If the thought makes *us* shudder, imagine what it must be like for him!

 I enjoyed Lucy's little bout of
>talking to herself and agonizing over her situation.  I'm glad to hear that
>she realized the fact that there is a line which she may NOT cross.  Only
>she shouldn't have been admitting that to herself, she should have been
>telling Kevin.

I loved that she recognized that for the "new Lucy" there *was* a line -
and it was the same one most of us agreed that we had drawn in this
storyline.  I also liked that she finally admitted to herself that she had
been having (to quote Kevin) an unseemly amount of fun with the plan.
BUT......

  One thing that I HATED... what the heck was that line about
>kissing Rex and 'enjoying it'????  What was that supposed to mean.  Totally
>extraneous and disgusting line to thrown in there.  No way in the world Lucy
>could enjoy kissing that reptile when she should be kissing our Kevin.  What
>were the writers thinking with that one?! 

I know.  I almost screamed at that line.  I can't help wondering if that
wasn't a little in-joke - you know, Lucy enjoys kissing Rex because it's
Lynn and Wayne.  <heavy sigh>  For their first few scenes together back
last June (especially their first one when he grabbed her in the lab), the
fact that they are real-life spouses was interesting and added a dimension
to the scenes for me.  But at this point I SOOOO don't care, and I resent
that they'd give her a disgusting line like that just for an in-joke (if
that was indeed the reason).

Rika
   "The love of my life is Lucy Coe,
    And as you may well know --- 
    Oh, God, I'm rhyming; that's a sure sign of inebriation."
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:28:48 -0500

At 12:19 PM 2/9/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>This was one of the poll questions today on abc.com:
>
>>On Monday, February 16th, Rex has been lured to the
>>catacombs as part of Kevin's plan. What will happen? 
>
>Unfortunately "fall into a black hole, never to be heard from again" was
>not an option.

Bummer.  Okay, I'll bite.  What *were* the options?

Rika

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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 10 Feb 1998 19:21:48 -0600





> Taiyin wrote:
>
>   One thing that I HATED... what the heck was that line about
> kissing Rex and 'enjoying it'????  What was that supposed to mean.  Totally
> extraneous and disgusting line to thrown in there.  No way in the world Lucy
> could enjoy kissing that reptile when she should be kissing our Kevin.  What
> were the writers thinking with that one?!  Anyway, I'm just so glad that it
> looks like there will be an end to this whole thing and that we will get
> some good, dramatic, emotional scenes with Lucy and Doc.

I think that what we were seeing here was a battle between the old Lucy anf the
new Lucy. And Thank God the New Lucy won!!

Debi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:10:32 -0500

Spoilers from 2/11 PC:

S
S
S
P
P
P
O
O
O
I
I
I
L
L
L
E
E
E
R
R
R

I cheered for both Lucy and Serena today!  First off, I love the way Serena
is digging in her heels about Rex.  She's not having crying fits; she's not
even really sulking.  She's just very matter-of-factly making it clear
that, while they can tell her where she has to live, they can't tell her
what to think or how to feel.  The pepper-on-Rex's-"pasta" thing, of
course, was great, but my favorite part was when Lucy suggested that Serena
would never do such a thing again and Serena contradicted her -  "I'll do
it again."

And then there's Lucy.  Did anybody else nearly leap out of their chair
cheering when she told off Scott at the end of the show?  In some ways I
wish she had handed Serena over and let him leave town, BUT I applaud her
for pointing out to him precisely how selfish he was being.  And she was
absolutely right - after *everything* she's done for him and for Serena, he
owes her.  Big-time.  I couldn't believe, when she stood in front of him
wearing Rex Stanton's wedding ring on her finger because of him, that he'd
berate her for not following his orders to the letter.  He needs a swift
kick someplace that'll do him some good....

The other wonderful part of the show was Kevin and Lucy's oh-so-brief scene
together.  It was short but very sweet, especially when Kevin pulled her
into his arms and they clung to each other for dear life.  And thank
goodness he won't have to torture himself anymore with images of Lucy in
bed with Rex.

Anyway, I could grumble about Kevin's relative lack of screen time the last
two days, but at least this storyline is moving along at quite a clip,
hopefully moving us to the day when Rex will be toast.  Make that burned
toast.

Rika 

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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 11 Feb 1998 17:48:31 -0600



Rika wrote:

> Spoilers from 2/11 PC:
>
> S
> S
> S
> P
> P
> P
> O
> O
> O
> I
> I
> L
> L
> E
> E
> R
> S
>
> The other wonderful part of the show was Kevin and Lucy's oh-so-brief scene
> together.  It was short but very sweet, especially when Kevin pulled her
> into his arms and they clung to each other for dear life.  And thank
> goodness he won't have to torture himself anymore with images of Lucy in
> bed with Rex.

I haven't seen the show yet, but thank goodness the writers has enough sense
not to drag that out forever. Although, well she still is married to Rex and
there are other nights to contend with........

>
>
> Anyway, I could grumble about Kevin's relative lack of screen time the last
> two days, but at least this storyline is moving along at quite a clip,
> hopefully moving us to the day when Rex will be toast.  Make that burned
> toast.

Burnt, crispy, toast......

I was thinking today, I wonder if the necklace Rex gave Lucy could have
something to do with whatever it is they say he may be doing to her??? They did
make a big deal out of him giving it to her.........

Debi

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: FIC: The Anniversary
Date: 11 Feb 1998 16:46:46 -0800

OK, well, it's been quite a while since we've had any fic.  And between
Valentine's Day on Saturday and Kevin & Lucy's four year "anniversary" next
Tuesday, I figured it was high time for some.  Of course, this was
*supposed* to be an extra mushy, cavity-sweet little ditty, but it evolved
into a conversation that (as we've discussed) they NEED to have.  At least
part of it, anyway.

I'll probably have to write one more one of these days, where Kevin manages
to get through to Scott and get him out of the middle of K&L's relationship
(or at least deck him once really, really good), but for starters, this is
what we have today.  Even if this is a tad unresolved.

Disclaimers:  Standard disclaimers apply.  Neither Kevin nor Lucy belong to
me, unfortunately.  Despite the fact that I could probably appreciate them
more than their rightful owners, I promise to give them back as soon as I'm
done.

Taiyin
*******
The Anniversary
by Taiyin


"You are inspired, you know that?" Lucy asked as she handed Kevin a glass
of champagne.

"You have that affect on me," Kevin answered with a smile.

"I mean it," she insisted.  "It was a wonderful idea to get married on the
anniversary of the day we met."

"Well," Kevin said as he placed his untasted champagne on the dresser, "it
only made sense.  My life was permanently changed on February 17th, 1994."
Slipping his arms around her he added, "It seemed only appropriate that we
officially recognize the date."

Lucy leaned into him and smiled, "And I am *so* impressed that you just
remembered off the top of your head what date we met."

Kevin kissed her gently and whispered, "I could no more forget that night
than the stars could forget the moon."

Lucy sighed, "Doc, if you don't cut it out we are never going to make it
out of here for our honeymoon."

"Well, in that case," Kevin smiled, leaning toward her.  Kissing her neck
he murmured, "You are as memorable as a Mediterranean sunset and twice as
beautiful; never in the history of the world has there been a woman who
sparkles with such radiance, illuminating all the darkness with such
seductive exuberance."

"Oh my," Lucy exhaled slowly, wrapping her arms around Kevin's neck even
more tightly.  "Who says we have to go away for a honeymoon?"

******

Lucy curled up tightly against Kevin, as she traced her hand lightly across
his chest.  "So, Doctor Collins, did we miss our flight?"

Kevin smiled.  "We sure did, *Mrs.* Collins."

"'Mrs. Collins.'" Lucy giggled.  "I can't believe we finally managed to do
it.  I am Mrs. Doctor Kevin Collins.  I was beginning to think we were
cursed again."

"Bite your tongue," Kevin said.  "Any curse that was placed on us we broke
years ago -- right around the time I cracked my skull in your bathtub."

"I guess so."  Lucy propped herself up.  "After all, look at us.  We did it."

Kevin chortled, "It only took five years."

The delighted grin melted from Lucy's face.  "Do you realize that never
before, not once in my entire life, have I *had* a relationship that lasted
five years.  For all the times I've been married, there wasn't a single
person who stuck with me for as long, or through as much as you did."

"I can't help it," Kevin smirked.  "I'm addicted."

"I'm being serious, Doc.  No one ever loved me for me before.  Certainly
not like you do.  From that first night at the Outback through everything
-- Damain, Grace, Ryan, Scully, Scott, Rex -- no one has ever inspired me
or challenged me or fought with me or infuriated me or loved me the way
that you have.  And I know that I don't always appreciate you enough, and I
know that I put you through hell with the whole Rex thing, and I am *so*
sorry for that.  I know it's hard for you to understand how I could have
married that reptile, and I know it hurt you, but it was because of you
that I could do it."

"I *really* wish you wouldn't say that, Lucy," Kevin warned her quietly,
obviously uncomfortable with the memory.

"No, Kevin, not like that -- that's not what I mean.  What I mean is that
never before in my life could I ever count on anyone, even my Aunt Charlene
-- who loved and raised me.  I didn't know how to trust someone like that.
I couldn't just give someone my heart and know that they would always value
my vulnerability.  But you did.  And I will spend the rest of our life
making that nightmare up to you; not just because it hurt you, but because
if it hadn't been for the fact that I finally understand what it's like to
be loved, we never would have saved Serena from Rex.  It was because I knew
that no matter how angry or hurt you got, I could count on you.  I may not
have deserved your love and support, but I had it.  And that was the only
thing that gave me the strength to do what I did."

Kevin sighed and brushed a lock of hair from Lucy's face.  "Lucy, you know
I love you, but you need to remember something:  I don't like being taken
for granted anymore than you do.  And I can't handle sitting back and
watching you staking your own life and well-being on a scheme."

"I know, Kevin.  And I'm sorry.  I wish we could have gone back and changed
things -- come up with a different plan from the beginning, something,
anything to keep you from having to go through what I put you through.  But
we can't."

Kevin looked at Lucy closely and took a deep breath.  "Do you remember how
you felt when you started having visions of Damian, and you believed that
he had framed Katherine for his murder?"

"Of course I do.  And that ungrateful little tramp couldn't even begin to
muster a little appreciation for all the trouble I --"

"Right," Kevin interrupted.  "Lucy, that whole fiasco is the embodiment of
everything I love about you, as well as everything that infuriates me about
you.  For as much as you hated Katherine, you were willing to risk your
neck to save her.  You didn't pay any attention to the consequences, you
just jumped right in and did your best to fix things."

"Which I did," Lucy gloated.

Kevin nodded slightly.  "But also almost got yourself killed in the process."

"No, I didn't," Lucy scoffed.  "Damian wouldn't have *really* --"

"Yes, Lucy.  He *would.*"  Kevin's voice overrode hers.  "The more time
went by, the more desperate Damian got.  And he *was* dangerous.  Don't do
you remember the fights we had about that before you took off for Texas?"

The corners of her mouth dropped.  "Of course I do.  I hate fighting with
you; all of our fights are burned into my memory and I can't get rid of them."

"I hope you do remember them.  I *need* you to remember them.  I need you
to remember what it felt like to have to look me in the eye and tell me
that you didn't love me and that you were marrying Rex;  I need you to
remember what it was like to leave me in the dark while you and Luke
concocted revenge plots against Joe Scully; I need you to remember how it
felt to know that Damian could hire someone who could so easily drive
wedges between us.  Lucy, the mistakes we refuse to learn from are the ones
we are destined to repeat."

"I do learn from them, Doc.  All of them.  It's a little hard not to."

"No you don't, Lucy, not *really.*  What you learn from them is that, so
far, each and every time you manage to come out the other side with no
*real* permanent damage.  You enjoy tempting the gods, Lucy.  But how long
do you think you can do that before the gods get angry enough to strike you
down?  Eventually there is a price that has to be paid.  And the thought of
losing you because you couldn't resist the urge to get involved in some
scheme scares the hell out of me."

"Kevin," Lucy started before Kevin interrupted her again.

"Lucy, do you remember how scared you were for me once you realized that I
was the one stalking Felicia?"

Lucy closed her eyes and nodded as a pained expression crossed her face.

"What was it that scared you most?"  Kevin asked gently.

Lucy opened her eyes and looked at Kevin for a moment before speaking.  "I
was afraid of the pain you were in, not knowing how bad it was or what I
could do to help; I was afraid that you would get so lost inside yourself
that you'd never be able to find your way back out again."

"So you were afraid of losing me?"

"More than anything else has ever scared me in my entire life."

"That's how I felt, Lucy.  That's how I felt when you were kidnapped by Joe
Scully, and when you went after Damian to San Antonio and, especially, when
you married Rex.  Can you imagine having to relive those same fears from
after Jasmine Island over and over and over again?"

Lucy's eyes darted to her fingers, resting on Kevin's chest.  "No."

"That is what I mean when I said that you don't learn, Lucy.  Does the fact
that I came out of Jasmine Island alive and still with you mean that you'd
be ok to do it again?"

Lucy shuddered slightly.  "No," she repeated.

Kevin moved his hand up her back and caressed her shoulder.  "Lucy, I'm not
faulting you for wanting to help Scott and Serena.  You have the biggest
heart I've ever seen, and that is part of what I love so much about you.
But I need you to remember that what affects you, affects me.  It's not an
either/or situation.  Where one goes, we both go.  And I just need to you
stop and think before rushing headlong into a scheme that is going to hurt
*us.*"

Lucy's gaze returned to Kevin's.  "I hear what you're saying, Kevin.
Really, I do.  I just don't know how to do things any differently from the
way I do them.  I can't just sit back and watch someone I care about -- or
even *not* care about, in Katherine's case -- get hurt.  Especially not
Serena."

Kevin stopped her again.  "I'm not saying do *nothing,* Lucy.  What I'm
saying is that you rush into things without first considering other
alternatives.  Getting involved with Rex was not the only choice we had --
but it was an adrenaline rush and a challenge and so you *wanted* to do it.
 You didn't want to find another course of action."  Kevin grimaced.  "And
Scott egging you on certainly didn't help."

"We're not going to have another fight about Scott, are we?"

Kevin stared at Lucy intently for a moment.  "Not tonight."  Lucy smiled.
"But," Kevin warned, "Scott *is* and issue that you are *not* going to be
able to avoid indefinitely, Lucy.  Just answer me one thing first:  do you
think that Scott would have let Dominique get close to someone like Rex,
even for Serena's sake?"

Lucy cocked her head and sighed.  "No, of course not."

Kevin nodded.  "Then I rest my case."

"But," Lucy added firmly, "Dominique would have done it anyway."

Kevin looked at her, shook his head and sighed agian.  "Oh, Lucy..."

Lucy nodded and smiled her best innocent smile at Kevin.  "Do you think
maybe we could shelf this discussion for now.  You see, today I just
married the sexiest, most handsome and irresistible man on the planet --"

"You did?"

Lucy grinned.  "I did.  And he's got this fabulously inventive mind.  And
he's always trying to come up with new ideas for ways to..." Lucy leaned in
and began nuzzling his neck. 

"To what?"  Kevin prompted.

Lucy looked up at him and smiled again.  "To get the creative juices flowing."

Kevin grinned and pulled her closer.  "That's one way of putting it, Mrs.
Collins."


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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: K&L: Getting carried away
Date: 12 Feb 1998 06:55:48 -0600

I think at this point Kevin is the one getting caught up in the plan.
Because if he had let Lucy take Serena to Scott. #1 Scott would have
been out of his life forever #2 There would have been no reason for Lucy
to go back to Rex. I think it's all about revenge now and that will
haunt him later.

Debi

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and the Skunk
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:27:31 -0800

OK, so I'm in "catch-up" mode at the moment.  That's what happens when I
get the omework, real work, and crappy weather out of the way.

At 12:37 AM 2/4/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>That's the thing.  Kevin needs an adversary, I think.  For a while he had
>Damian.  Now he has Rex.  After Rex is gone, he needs another one.  I adore
>Kevin no matter what he's doing, but if he's going to stay front burner I
>think we need to see more of the dangerous side of his personality.  

I completely agree.  I think Kevin is, fundamentally, a little too arrogant
and a little to competative to enjoy no avdersarial conflict for long.  I
think he *thinks* he would like it, but he's NEVER as interesting to watch,
and I don't even think he feels REALLY on top of things if he doesn't have
someone to spar with.

It reminds me of that scene from right after K&L met.  They were having
lunch at the Grille and Damian (who thought Lucy was there to see him --
talk about ARROGANT!) came over to their table.  Kevin and Damian playing
mind games with each other, while Lucy sat there and watched, was the most
irresistable side of Kevin's pedantic streak.  

I miss that.  And I think that Kevin misses the chance to flew his
intellect like that, too.

I think that, for all of Kevin's frustration at Lucy's thrill-seeking
behavior, he needs the same sort of stimulation.  In his case it's just
intellectual, instead of always physical (like it is with Lucy).

>This was the potential I always saw for Rex Stanton.  He needed an
>intellectual equal against whom to strike sparks.  Danielle certainly
>wasn't it.  Neither is Scott; he's all bluster and no brains.  And Lucy
>isn't either.  She's not dumb, but she's in no way Rex's match when it
>comes to brain power.  

No, because Lucy constantly underestimates him (as she does ALL men except
probably Kevin and Luke).  As Kevin pointed out to Lucy during the Joe
Scully fiasco, part of her problem is that she thinks she can "handle" all
men.  That is probably her biggest problem.  And easily the one that gets
her into the most trouble.

>But Kevin..... oh, my, yes.  The two of them were truly enjoying the
>"comparing Lucy" mind games they were playing.  I get chills thinking about
>what's going to happen when the two of them up the ante later this month!

Woo hoo!  I can hardly wait.

>Great line.  ALTHOUGH.... in truth, don't they have satin sheets at the
>lighthouse?

I think so.  Admitting that wouldn't have given us the chance to see Kevin
the Snob again, though.

I've missed him.

Now that we've got him partially back, all we need now is the rest of his
vocabulary.

Taiyin
"Well, don't tell me that you're trying to perhaps let 
   me know that you, what -- find me attractive?"
--"Magnetic.  Like those bug zappers.  You know 
       it's certain death, but you dive in anyway."
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Oh, WOW!
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:35:21 -0800

At 01:11 AM 2/4/98 EST, AnneBPT@aol.com wrote:
>
>The whole interaction with Rex reminded me a bit of Doc sparring with
>Damian.... or   early on with Mac.    I used to love watching him run circles
>around Mac with words:-)  

Well, in the early days, Mac was such a neandrathal that it wasn't hard.  I
didn't remember how dumb Mac sounded until I went back recently and watched
some of that stuff.  Geez.  And Felicia sounded like the biggest
world-class ditz.  Yikes.

>I hope he keeps his cool and simply out thinks Rex, and manipulates him into
>making a mistake.  It would be a nice contrast to show how Scott's bluster
and
>hysterics were useless compared to Doc using his head.  Then again WE all
knew
>that.

No kidding.  This is where this story should have been heading since the
very beginning.

And, along with what Rika said earlier about this whole thing being
indicative of the way the writers feel about K&L (the fact that it would
take something as drastic as a derranged psychopath to break them up), I
think the way this story is being wrapped up also does the same thing with
regards to the Kevin/Lucy/Scott situation:  this whole story has had Scott
at the center of it since the beginning.  HE barged into their lives and HE
has held everyone almost as much hostage in this mess as Rex has.  And
FINALLY now it's Kevin's turn to not only exact a little revenge, but also
to actually get to save the day.

Scott may h*lp, but this is not only Kevin's (with Jake's h*lp) plan, but
he is going to be the one propelling it on.  FINALLY he gets to put that
brilliant mind to work.  It's about damn time.  It only took four years. 

>Also I think there is something wrong with me.  Two of my most satisfying Doc
>moments he is physicially attacking people-- Damian and now Rex.  It sure was
>fun to watch.  Kevin seems so in control, Rex should be frightened.

Hee hee hee.  Rex has too much ego and too little common sense to know that.

Taiyin
"Well, don't tell me that you're trying to perhaps let 
   me know that you, what -- find me attractive?"
--"Magnetic.  Like those bug zappers.  You know 
       it's certain death, but you dive in anyway."
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another great day for Kevin
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:41:30 -0800

At 06:33 PM 2/4/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>Today's PC was..... well, another 'wow'.  First off, Kevin's speech to Lucy
>in the elevator - is there a heart in the world that wouldn't be melted by
>that man?  And it wasn't just the words - it was the amazing intensity.  I
>must have watched it about five times already.

I've had that quote in my .sig on and off ever since he said it, and I've
had about half a dozen people who have NEVER EVEN SEEN GH, PC or Kevin
comment on that line.  I think only the "Gossamar" quote has ellicited that
much response before.

>And later.... when Kevin visited Rex's house with the news about Sigmund
>and then begged Lucy to leave with him, that was even more amazing.

I was almost in tears during that.  That was so painful to watch.
ABsolutely heart-wrenching.

>I thought Kevin's crossover to GH was handled well too.  It filled a hole
>in both Kevin's and Mac's storylines, it offered a little plug for what's
>happening on PC, and it made good use of Kevin and Felicia's history.

Actually, I loved all of it except the Kevin and Felicia's history part.
That bothered me a LOT.  They totally neglected the progress that Kevin and
Felicia made during the trip to France and right after that.  That really
ticked me off.  It didn't surprise me (as I commented before, I was
expecting the same thing to happen with Lucy and Felicia, and was then
shocked that it didn't), but it infuriated me.

>Anyhow, how nice that Jon got to REALLY show his stuff two days in a row.
>Plus, it was another day without Scott.  Please, TPTB, may I have another?

And another and another and another...

Taiyin
"They said you were a nut case."
-- "A sociopath, but let's not split hairs."
	--Kevin, "General Hospital"

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Another great day for Kevin
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:46:39 -0800

At 12:41 AM 2/5/98 PST, NovaLee Murphy wrote:
>
>Scott who? Call me incredibly selfish but from *that* moment Mr. 
>Baldwin, "pal" or not, would have been effectively on his own <VBG>. 

Amen to that.  I wouldn't said, "So long, sucker.  I'm outta here!"

>Without a doubt. No hesitation, no regrets. I guess Lucy finds these 
>declarations pretty routine because there she was, next scene, back at 
>Chez Stanton cozying up to Rex. Argh.  

Yuck.

>Very true. Up until now it's always been easy to differentiate between 
>real and fake but as of today we (and they) have lost track. 

And it makes it infinitely more interesting, just because it raises the
stakes.  But FINALLY they are ALL involved, instead of just Lucy.

>I can't say enough good things about Kevin/Jon these past two days. As 
>for Scott, it looks like he'll be back in action tomorrow, but, if the 
>spoilers are correct, he won't be directly involved in the Rex/Kevin 
>battle. Yay!

That is the best news I've heard in weeks.

As gratifying as klobbering Rex was, Kevin needs much more of a catharsis
than that.  

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L:  A matter of taste
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:49:01 -0800

Cagey drove a knife through my heart: 
>
>So shoot me.  I don't like Scruffy Kevin.  Granted, it's not as bad as
>Kevin With Sideburns from his last liason disguise, but I have enough
>scruffy men in my life.  By the shrink a razor.

Ack!  Don't you DARE!

<g>

>On another note, I can't think of two people who deserve to be skunked more
>than Amy and Tony <veg>.

<snort>  Can't argue that.

Though, I was actually happy with one thing that Tony said:  he thought
Lucy's relationship with Kevin was a GoodThing, but that this was
ridiculous.  

They get so little airtime, I get overly gratified as seeing that kind of
peer validation from other residents of PC.

Taiyin
"You know what I bet is painful?  Leg waxing.  I bet 
that's painful.  And especially bikini waxing.  I'd kill 
anyone who tried to do that to me." -- Kevin, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Confused
Date: 12 Feb 1998 09:53:26 -0800

At 05:55 PM 2/5/98 -0600, Debi Sanders wrote:
>
>And just for the record (I know I am in the minority here) but I Like
>Scott!! So sue me. As long as the writers do not make him a threat to
>Kevin and Lucy in a romantic way, whats so bad about him. Of course
>they  fight about him but that just gives them more opportunity's to
>make up and that I think is our favorite part NO?  Just thought I would
>put my 2 cents in.

Actually, as long as Scott isn't being a bombastic jerk (especially at
Lucy) I like him, too.  I love him with Serena and Karen and Eve, and
pretty much everyone else.

I agree with Kevin, though:  I have a BIG problem with the way Scott barks
orders at Lucy.  Of course, I have a bigger problem with the fact that
(until yesterday!!!!!!) she lets him get away with it.  

I do have a tremendous amount of resentment, though, that Scott has been
getting at least twice as much airtime as Kevin has been getting until VERY
recently.  It bothers me that, romantically or not, it's always Scott &
Lucy this and Scott & Lucy that, while Kevin sits ont he sidelines.  THAT
ticks me off.

But since they seem to be moving away from that more and more each day, I'm
having less problem with Scott.

Especially since Lucy told him off yesterday. :-)

Taiyin
"The theatre of my mind is a much happier place 
since you've taken center stage." -- Kevin

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: ABCJoanne (sigh)
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:12:22 -0800

Rika wrote:

>>With apologies to those who like Scott, I thought this was unnecessary.
>>The guy is off the show for ONE day (which is all it had been when she
>>wrote this) and she's got to say something about not liking it?  I'm
>>considering e-mailing her to answer that question she asked....

And then Kathi wrote:

>I answered her - told her that's how I felt when Jon Lindstrom was off the
>show - but I think TPTB were "fishing" for responses - they are trying to
>figure out how to balnace their TWO leading men.

Well, I wrote her.  And I was NOT the model of self-restraint.

I told her that now that Kevin's decked Rex, Scott is next in line.  AFTER
pointing out that watching Kevin languish on the back-burner for four
years, I was delighted to see Scott missing for two whole days in a row.

Meow.

Taiyin... who used this .sig, too. <g>
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Archive:  http://users.ap.net/~taiyin/lists/
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: KEVIN, LUCY, AND BEING USED
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:26:04 -0800

>L: "It's just good old Lucy.  She's good for a few laughs, a little
>   sex.  Forget the serious stuff - she'd never understand it anyway."
>(Kevin is astonished.  He responds very gently:)
>K: "That's not how I think about you."
>L: "Oh, yeah.  Oh, yeah, sure it is.  

<major snipage>

Ooohhh..... Thank you, Rika.  That is still my favorite of all of their
fights (followed closely by the one after Brenda's 21st bday party).

And it has the component that we were commenting on before:  as bad and
heart-wrenching as that fight was, it was a catlyst for progress in their
relationship.  

Wish that was happening more often, now.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:33:13 -0800

At 10:13 AM 2/8/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>><
>Amen!  I tried to stay confident that TPTB understood that *that* would be
>going too far.  So now we shouldn't have to worry about potential horrors
>like 
>a "whose baby is it?" story down the road or anything like that.

<shudder>  YUCK!

I agree, though.  I especially liked Lucy's conversation with herself
before hand.  As much as I love Kevin, and as furious as I would be for her
to do that to him, I would be even more upset if she did that to herself.
If there is one thing she has learned since she and Kevin met it's that she
is worth more than she used to think she was -- and I'd hate to see her
forget that.

>Also, I wondered - did anybody foresee Kevin's plan?  I suggested the
>gaslighting idea a week or so ago (but then decided I was wrong the middle
>of last week), but I never thought of them using Danielle to do it.  

As soon as it came up, the first thing I said was:  "Rika's right!  Yay!" :-)

>How's this:  let's have a Kevin/Lucy wedding SOONER instead of later, and
>then perhaps we can see Luke dancing at the reception! 

May sweeps!!!

And hopefully El Nino will stop pouring on CA long enough for them to have
an outdoor wedding with some beautiful scenery.

Taiyin
"We make a good team."
--"I've always said that."
   -- Kevin and Lucy

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:36:39 -0800

S
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Jessica wrote:

>I keep reading over and over again that Luke will be on PC in late Feb.,
>that his scenes will be with Lucy, and that he will be part of a
>'hush-hush' story.  This confuses and intrigues me greatly.  I don't
>understand it but that's what everyone is saying.

Whoa.  I really need to read my spoilers more carefully.  I can't WAIT.
Even though I do miss Kevin and Mac, I have to admit that I miss Luke and
Lucy a hundred times more.

Taiyin
"Well, a little tip, just between you and me, 
I think you're basically just a little rusty in 
the 'sweep a girl off her feet' category."
--"I prefer my women standing."
  -- Lucy and Kevin, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: A bunch o' spoilers
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:42:58 -0800

At 10:17 PM 2/8/98 PST, NovaLee Murphy wrote:
>>> ><
>>> ><
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>Lucy but perhaps he also runs into Scott. Didn't Guza mention that Luke 
>and Scott would be having some scenes together soon and that this would 
>dredge up some interesting/surprising things from the past? No real 
>shocker here though since any encounter between the two is bound to 
>bring up a few *issues* from the past. I guess we'll have to wait and 
>see. In any case, I'm really looking forward to the Luke/Lucy stuff.

So am I.  And yeah, Guza told me (when I commented that that was one of
those scenes that we were REALLY missing) to just wait and watch.

I am a little surprised, though, that the Luke/Scott scene is going to take
place on PC rather than GH, though.  A lot surprised, actually.  I figured
for sure that we'd have Scott back over on GH for that one.

I still want a scene where Luke and Kevin both get to have a bitch session
about Scott together, though. :-)

Taiyin
"I think it's a great idea, I'm just surprised I didn't 
think of it first -- he said with all the arrogance 
that's been attributed to him." -- Kevin, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Re: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:45:57 -0800

At 10:09 AM 2/9/98 -0800, Jessica Thompson wrote:
>I'm so excited about this new plan!!  Finally an end in sight!  And about
>today's show...

I agree 100%!

>It was so good to see Kevin get drunk again... I really enjoy Jon
>Lindstrom's portrayal of a drunk Kevin.  He cracks me up.  

I'm particularly fond of the "genius" line at the end, though.  "With all
the arrogance that has been attributed to him..." :-)

>were the writers thinking with that one?!  Anyway, I'm just so glad that it
>looks like there will be an end to this whole thing and that we will get
>some good, dramatic, emotional scenes with Lucy and Doc.

Especially as this whole thing comes to a head.

FINALLY.

Taiyin
"I was thinking about us in the kitchen."
--"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, 
     there are all those free-standing appliances."
	--Lucy and Kevin, "GH"

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin's New Plan
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:56:49 -0800

At 07:28 PM 2/9/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>Bummer.  Okay, I'll bite.  What *were* the options?

1. Rex will see through the trap and sneak away unseen. Rex, however, will
learn the complete truth about Lucy's betrayal. 

2. Rex will take the bait and confess. Before being arrested, however, Rex
will inject Eve with poison. 

3. Rex will fall for the trap and will confess, unaware that he is being
videotaped. Rex will then be arrested. 

Taiyin
"A tattoo?  Where would you want me to get this tattoo?"
--"On your forearm so I could read it.  It would say, 'I, Lucy Coe, 
          am resilient, brilliant, creative and Kevin loves me."
	    -- Lucy and Kevin, "General Hospital"

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:01:55 -0800

At 06:10 PM 2/11/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>I cheered for both Lucy and Serena today!  

Absolutely.  Finally, both of them doing what they each need to do, and
being great in the process.

>The pepper-on-Rex's-"pasta" thing, of
>course, was great, but my favorite part was when Lucy suggested that Serena
>would never do such a thing again and Serena contradicted her -  "I'll do
>it again."

I love her tone of voice through the whole thing.  It was so flat and so
unchallengeable (assuming that's even a word) you can't argue with her.

>And then there's Lucy.  Did anybody else nearly leap out of their chair
>cheering when she told off Scott at the end of the show?  

<happy dance>  The only thing about it that bothered me was the "please" on
the end.

Other than that, though, I loved it -- all six times I watched it.

>The other wonderful part of the show was Kevin and Lucy's oh-so-brief scene
>together.  It was short but very sweet, especially when Kevin pulled her
>into his arms and they clung to each other for dear life.  And thank
>goodness he won't have to torture himself anymore with images of Lucy in
>bed with Rex.

That part I watched about ten times. :-)

That was so good.  And I miss that kind of raw emotion from them -- when
they can express it without worrying about who will see them.

That does remind me, though, it seems to me that they should be having a
little talk with Serena.  The last thing they need is for her to say
something in front of Rex (not that she's speaking much when he's around,
but still).

Taiyin

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Getting carried away
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:06:17 -0800

At 06:55 AM 2/12/98 -0600, Debi Sanders wrote:
>I think at this point Kevin is the one getting caught up in the plan.
>Because if he had let Lucy take Serena to Scott. #1 Scott would have
>been out of his life forever #2 There would have been no reason for Lucy
>to go back to Rex. I think it's all about revenge now and that will
>haunt him later.

I think in part, you're right.  But I also think that Kevin knows full well
that if Scott and Serena have to go on the run again, that he's going to
have to live with knowing that Lucy and Serena will never be able to be
together again -- and that he might have been able to do something to
prevent that.  I don't think he is much more willing to do that to Lucy
than she is willing to do that to Scott.

Not that Kevin wouldn't be DELIGHTED to ge rid of Scott once and for all,
but Kevin loves Serena, too.

I think the only difference is that Kevin wouldn't openly gamble with
Lucy's life.

Scott's or even his own, maybe.  But not Lucy's.  I think that is really
the only major difference.

Taiyin
TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango 
with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights 
out."  KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. 
LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink."  KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man  
who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately."

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Getting carried away
Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:07:32 -0500

When I logged on tonight, I couldn't believe I had 19 messages, nearly all
of them from the K/L listserv.  And then I looked at them and understood.
Taiyin's back!!!!  (We've missed you!)

At 11:06 AM 2/12/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>I think in part, you're right.  But I also think that Kevin knows full well
>that if Scott and Serena have to go on the run again, that he's going to
>have to live with knowing that Lucy and Serena will never be able to be
>together again -- and that he might have been able to do something to
>prevent that.  I don't think he is much more willing to do that to Lucy
>than she is willing to do that to Scott.

I think it's more than just that.  If Scott had left with Serena, Rex would
not have been stupid enough to believe that Lucy wasn't involved.  He would
have made her pay - probably with her life - for what she did.  They need
to get Rex behind bars (and even then Lucy's safety is questionable).
That's what I thought was most monumentally selfish about Scott's
insistence about leaving town.  It wasn't just that he'd break Lucy's
heart; it was that he'd probably get her killed too.

Besides, the last time Scott went on the run, it didn't prevent Rex from
locating and kidnapping Serena.  Scott is conveniently forgetting that fact.

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:10:57 -0500

At 05:48 PM 2/11/98 -0600, Debi wrote:

>I was thinking today, I wonder if the necklace Rex gave Lucy could have
>something to do with whatever it is they say he may be doing to her???
They >did make a big deal out of him giving it to her.........

I was thinkinb about that too, earlier this week.  I figured it might have
some toxic substance, or maybe just something as simple as a microphone or
a radio transmitter so he could keep tabs on her.  But I've noticed that
she hasn't worn it since the wedding.  If it were part of this, he'd
probably be insisting that she wear it.

It's sort of fun, though, that now they have us getting suspicious of every
single thing he does.

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: FIC: The Anniversary
Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:14:17 -0500

At 04:46 PM 2/11/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>The Anniversary
>by Taiyin

Sigh.........

That was WONDERFUL!

The only part I didn't like was that this takes place in 1999.  I don't
want to wait that long for the wedding!  Otherwise, it was perfection.

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:20:32 -0500

At 11:01 AM 2/12/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>At 06:10 PM 2/11/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>>The pepper-on-Rex's-"pasta" thing, of
>>course, was great, but my favorite part was when Lucy suggested that Serena
>>would never do such a thing again and Serena contradicted her -  "I'll do
>>it again."
>
>I love her tone of voice through the whole thing.  It was so flat and so
>unchallengeable (assuming that's even a word) you can't argue with her.

Yes.  She's totally matter-of-fact.  No crying, no whining, no shouting.
She's just toughing it out.  I remarked somewhere (maybe here, maybe not)
that she's making it clear that, while they may be able to tell her where
to live, they can't tell her what to think or how to feel.

And what she did to Rex *today* was a scream.  Literally, in a sense.

>>And then there's Lucy.  Did anybody else nearly leap out of their chair
>>cheering when she told off Scott at the end of the show?  
>
><happy dance>  The only thing about it that bothered me was the "please" on
>the end.

You'll like what Scott gets told today even better..... :-)

>That does remind me, though, it seems to me that they should be having a
>little talk with Serena.  The last thing they need is for her to say
>something in front of Rex (not that she's speaking much when he's around,
>but still).

Agreed.  I'm sure they took care of that.  We just have to hope that she's
mature enough not to somehow use it to taunt Rex.
  
Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: FIC: The Anniversary
Date: 13 Feb 1998 09:07:54 -0800

At 08:14 PM 2/12/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>That was WONDERFUL!

Thank you.

>The only part I didn't like was that this takes place in 1999.  I don't
>want to wait that long for the wedding!  Otherwise, it was perfection.

I know.  You caught me.  I'm just hopelessly sentimental and it depresses
me that on the fourth anniversary of the night they met, she is married to
someone else.

As much as I personally can't stand Valentine's Day, historically it's been
a pretty good day for K&L.  Maybe I'll go do another one...

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 13 Feb 1998 09:15:05 -0800

At 08:20 PM 2/12/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>And what she did to Rex *today* was a scream.  Literally, in a sense.

<snicker> No kidding!  I loved it.  I especially loved Lucy trying not to
laugh and cheer her on. 

>You'll like what Scott gets told today even better..... :-)

Amen!  "So, Lucy finally got through that rock you call a skull?"  Not
quite as good as him realming Snotty out about the fact that he wants to
try and get EVERYONE out of that house alive.  Go Doc!

>Agreed.  I'm sure they took care of that.  We just have to hope that she's
>mature enough not to somehow use it to taunt Rex.

I think she's prefering a slightly more pro-active and physical reaction to
Rex. <g>

OTOH, I have to say that I also really loved Lucy telling Rex that wherever
Serena goes, Lucy goes.  Period.  Good girl.

And is she going to fake exhaustion every single night?  I think their
discussion about "arousal" gave me hives.

I am delighted, though, that the plan they are kicking into action is
coming together so quickly.  At least we don't have to spend several MORE
months with this protracted nightmare.  I was really surprised that it went
into first gear yesterday.  Not that I should have been, since it is
sweeps, but still... it's been quite a while since the City of Port Charles
has had a memorable sweeps.  I'd forgotten what it's like.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Two Fab Females
Date: 13 Feb 1998 14:04:54 -0500

At 09:15 AM 2/13/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>Amen!  "So, Lucy finally got through that rock you call a skull?"  Not
>quite as good as him realming Snotty out about the fact that he wants to
>try and get EVERYONE out of that house alive.  Go Doc!

I loved, loved, LOVED that!  As I mentioned elsewhere, Scott was completely
overlooking the carnage he would leave in his wake when he left town.  Did
he seriously imagine that he could vanish with Serena without it being a
death sentence for Lucy?

About Serena:
>I think she's prefering a slightly more pro-active and physical reaction to
>Rex. <g>

Which, as you'll see (I don't think this requires a spoiler warning),
continued today.  I love this child.

>And is she going to fake exhaustion every single night?  I think their
>discussion about "arousal" gave me hives.

I thought the assumption was that she'd lure Rex to where "Danielle" was,
they'd catch him in the act, he'd go to jail, and she'd be out of that
house before another night rolled around.

BTW, I have a couple of spoilers for next week; I'll save them till I get
more and then post them all at once.  So far, there's nothing we hadn't
already surmised on our own.

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: K/L Spoiler-a-rama
Date: 13 Feb 1998 22:55:08 -0500

Here are the Kevin/Lucy-related spoilers I've received so far from my
friend who accumulates them.  Some of this we already surmised, but there
are a few interesting details.  As before, stuff not related to Kevin/Lucy
is snipped.

G
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W
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F
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Keep reading and you'll find out!

First, from Soap Opera Weekly:
**********************************************************************
Article:  Lucy's life hangs in the balance on PC

Rex incriminates himself -- with hidden TV cameras and Eve's tape recorder
rolling -- and he is arrested for Serena's kidnapping this week on PC.
Although Scott is off the hook, Lucy isn't, because Rex has injected her with
a slow-acting poison.  

The elaborate scheme that lured Rex to the catacombs for a meeting with
"Danielle" -- actually Eve in disguise and a tape of Danielle's voice -- works
like a charm.  Rex lashes out at "Danielle" and then realizes he's been set up
when Scott and Agent Conklin emerge from the shadows and tell him the jig is
up.

"He says, 'not yet,' and grabs me up off the table and holds the syringe to my
neck," Julie Pinson says, in character as Eve.  "So Rex pushes me away, he
goes for Scotty and they get into a brawl."  Conklin manages to cuff Rex and
arrest him, and Eve and Karen arrange a small party to celebrate Scott's
freedom and his reunion with Serena. 

<snip>

...Lucy's life hangs in the balance.  <Scott and Eve> join forces with
Kevin and Lucy to try to solve Rex's riddle, which will reveal the antidote
to the poison.  Their search leads them to Serenity, which proves to be
anything but serene.

Sneak Peeks for the Week of Feb. 16

The plan to expose Rex works, but with a dire consequence.  Kevin and Lucy
reunite.....  The interns scramble to save a life before it's too late......
Scott, Lucy, Kevin and Eve work to solve Rex's latest riddle.  Lucy has a
frightening health experience.  Kevin tries to scare Rex into doing the
right thing.

Red Letter Days
     Mon., Feb. 16  Rex is arrested after poisoning Lucy. 
     Wed., Feb. 18  Joe and Karen race to find an antidote to the poison
     Thurs.,Feb. 19 Lucy experiences a bout with partial paralysis
     Fri., Feb. 20  Lucy's condition worsens.

Week of Feb. 23:  A special visitor arrives in town.  Lucy makes a big
decision, then takes a turn for the worse.  
*********************************************************************

Next, from Soap Opera Magazine.  These may have been condensed by the
person who posted them to AOL:
**********************************************************************
Katherine supplies Kevin with some useful information.
Rex poisons Lucy.
Rex walks into a trap.
Kevin gets inside Rex's mind.
Rex is deathly afraid of spiders.
***********************************************************************
              
(SPIDERS!  Don't ya LOVE it????  Can't you just SEE it?)

The others I've read were pretty much duplicates of this, or else the
source was questionable.  But obviously we were right about the slow
poisoning of Lucy, and it sounds like Rex is going to be seeing spiders......

Rika

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: K/L Spoiler-a-rama
Date: 13 Feb 1998 21:38:10 PST

 

Rika wrote:
>
>G
>U
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>W
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>F
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>

<snipping some spoilers>

>Although Scott is off the hook, Lucy isn't, because Rex has injected 
>her with a slow-acting poison.  
>
>Rex lashes out at "Danielle" and then realizes he's been set up
>when Scott and Agent Conklin emerge from the shadows and tell him the 
>jig is up.
>
>"He says, 'not yet,' and grabs me up off the table and holds the 
>syringe to my neck," Julie Pinson says, in character as Eve.  "So Rex 
>pushes me away, he goes for Scotty and they get into a brawl."  
>Conklin manages to cuff Rex and arrest him, and Eve and Karen arrange 
>a small party to celebrate Scott's freedom and his reunion with 
>Serena. 

So at what point does Rex stab Lucy I wonder? There's no mention of it 
in the sequence of events. I'm surprised that Rex really did fall for 
the plan and that he'd give a full confession when he knows Kevin, Lucy 
and Karen are within earshot. And assuming the syringe was originally 
intended for Danielle, it doesn't make much sense that it would be a 
slow-acting poison if he wanted to stop her from talking. Oh well, we've 
had to suspend our disbelief SO many times during this storyline that I 
suppose we can go one more if it means the beginning of Rex's downfall. 
I know he isn't finished torturing K&L yet, but thankfully we've at 
least got the marriage farce out of the way. 

<more snippage>

>Kevin gets inside Rex's mind.
>Rex is deathly afraid of spiders.
>***********************************************************************
>              
>(SPIDERS!  Don't ya LOVE it????  Can't you just SEE it?)

This is great. Lots and lots of the creepy crawly things locked in a 
two-by-four cell with the Reptile. How appropriate.


Thanks muchly for all the info, Rika. Can't wait to see how all this 
stuff plays out!


NovaLee


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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: K/L Spoiler-a-rama
Date: 15 Feb 1998 19:43:29 -0500

At 09:38 PM 2/13/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:

>Thanks muchly for all the info, Rika. Can't wait to see how all this 
>stuff plays out!

Unfortunately, I won't be able to provide spoilers to this listserv in the
future.  Someone on this list posted the spoilers I supplied on the Port
Charles Online Web site.  Since the spoilers are direct from soap
magazines, they include copyrighted information.  That's why I don't, for
example, post them to RATSA - I have simply been supplying them to all of
you in e-mail.  It wouldn't upset me, except that this person attached my
name to them in her post, so that if there were any copyright complaints
from the soap magazines, I could get in trouble.

I personally consider it a violation of netiquette to post an e-mail
message in a public forum; I don't consider messages on listservs to be an
exception to this rule.  Perhaps I am mistaken.  Either way, I've learned
an unfortunate lesson here.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: ADMIN: Rules Amendment
Date: 16 Feb 1998 15:42:04 -0800

At 07:43 PM 2/15/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, I won't be able to provide spoilers to this listserv in the
>future.  Someone on this list posted the spoilers I supplied on the Port
>Charles Online Web site. 

Generally, as Rika said, this is a netiquette issue.  However, because this
mailing list is a closed community, we have added it to the list rules.
From now on anything posted to the list is not to be shared/sent/forwarded
elsewhere without the author's express written consent.

Apologies to everyone, particularly Rika, for not having this in the rules
to being with.

It has been added to the list rules on the web page
(http://www.taiyin.net/lists/), as well as in the greeting message.

Taiyin, Co-Listmom          <taiyin@taiyin.net>
Ultimate GH/PC Links: http://www.taiyin.net/links/
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Honesty
Date: 16 Feb 1998 21:12:36 -0500

Hello all!

This transcript contains a scene from the Claire Labine era that
demonstrates some of her skill as a writer.  It's not one that most people
would think of; it's a Kevin/Tony therapy scene.  The reason I loved it was
because it allowed  two storylines to intersect in a meaningful way.
That's much more interesting than situations with isolated storylines.  In
this particular case, the state of Tony and Bobbie's marriage wound up
having an impact on Kevin's relationship with Lucy.

By the way, since we've been discussing the issues surrounding posting
things from this listserv, I thought a comment about the transcripts was in
order. I know that Taiyin and Jamilla have Kevin/Lucy Web sites on which
they post  transcripts of the best Kevin/Lucy scenes.  I have absolutely no
objection to their use of the transcripts I've been sending to the list,
especially since they asked me first.  I don't mind if any of the rest of
you use the transcripts in that way, as long as you are providing them
strictly as a service and not for any commercial purpose.  I will ask,
though, that you check with me before you start posting them anywhere.
I'll almost certainly say yes.

It is actually interesting to consider whether or not these transcripts
constitute a violation of copyright law - I suppose they might - but I
think the likelihood that ABC would ever complain about it is very slight.

Rika

KEVIN, LUCY, AND HONESTY - October, 1994

It is the morning after the "Chernoybl" disaster at the Lighthouse.  Kevin
sits behind his desk in his office, looking pensive and unhappy.  His
reverie is disturbed by a knock at the door.

K: "Come in."
(It's Lucy.  Kevin stands up.  For a moment, they just stare at each 
  other in silence.)
L: "Do you have a minute?"
K: "I'm surprised to see you."
L: "I'm surprised to be here.  But I - I have something else I need to
   say to you, and I need you to hear me."  (They both sit down.)  "I 
   was deeply hurt and very troubled by what happened last night."
(She pauses and looks at Kevin, who retreats into 'shrink mode.')
K: "I see."
L: "Do you?"
(The poor thing - she sounds so hopeful.)
K: "It's an expression, Lucy.  I grasp the literal meaning of everything
   you've said so far."
L: "Doubletalk is why I'm here.  Kevin, you speak, but I don't know what
   it is you feel.  You talk about investing in emotional honesty, and
   that's what you expect of me, but you don't seem to apply it to yourself."
K: "Let me be clear, Lucy.  I never meant to offend you by taking
   Felicia's call.  But I'll concede that, given the circumstance, my
   behavior was one that you would not have preferred."
(I give Lucy credit for not slapping him silly at this point.)
L: "Is that it?"
K: "What would you like?"
L: "What I *need* from you is clarification, pal o' mine.  Could you just
   give me your personal perspective, perhaps - not your professional
   one, but your personal perspective.  Is something happening between
   us, and if it is, what in the world is it?  I'll go first."
(Lucy gets up and walks around to his side of the desk, thus eliminating
  his "shield".  You can see him shrink away from her slightly when this
  happens.  Sorry to babble about details like this, but I have always
  found his body language in the scenes of around this time to be
  fascinating.)
L: "I enjoy your company.  And I respect your mind.  And you... turn me
   on.  And in spite of all the fooling around - or maybe because of it - 
   do you know, I feel more at ease with you than I have anybody else 
   since - well, since Scott.  And I have this basic mistrust of men, you
   know, and - with you, I actually started to trust you.  But now I'm
   just not so sure it's such a good idea, because, Kevin, you're only
   honest with me with the easy stuff.  When it comes to all the things
   that really matter, like you and me, you shut me out just like every
   other guy.  And you sit behind this great big desk and you dole out  
   all this very wise advice, but you don't take any of it yourself.  And
   you don't risk your feelings."
(Lucy walks back around the desk again.)
L: "What I need is, I really need you to trust me - trust me enough to
   just tell me what is it, what is it that's coming between us?  What is
   holding us back?  Because if you can't do that, I just - I'm done.  I
   don't want - I don't want to do this, okay?  I'm not interested in
   being just used for fun and distraction.  I can do that anywhere.  I
   deserve better."  (She sits down.)  "Okay, it is your turn."
K: "You know what?  You're right.  You do deserve better.  And you're
   also right that I have a problem being honest about my feelings.  And
   finally, you are right that there is definitely something holding me
   back."
L: "Okay, well, that's a start."
K: "But that may not necessarily be a bad thing."
L: "Kevin, come on - "
K: "Lucy, given our mutual track record with relationships, an escape
   clause might be a smart thing to have."
L: "Oh, my gosh.  Oh, listen to yourself!  Did you hear what you just
   said?  You're doing it again!"
K: "I am not."
L: "You're halfway out the door.  Yes, you are!"
K: "I am not."
L: "Yes, you are!  You're just shutting me out again.  Never mind!"
(Lucy picks up her coat and purse and heads for the door.)
K: "Lucy, wait!"
L: "Okay.  Be a shrink, okay?  Be objective for a second.  If I were your
   patient, wouldn't you advise me to get out of a relationship that my
   feelings keep getting stepped on in, huh, wouldn't you?"
(THIS gets through to Kevin.  He is astonished.)
K: "Is that how you feel?"
L: "What do you think?  You know what, that's a very good idea.  Why
   don't you think on it?  And when you come up with the right answer,
   call me.  Maybe *I'll* pick up the phone!"

Lucy flies out the door, leaving Kevin looking troubled.  Later, Tony
arrives in Kevin's office for his first session (regarding the break-up of
his marriage with Bobbie).  I won't reproduce the entire session, but this
scene was interesting because some of the feelings Tony verbalizes hit a
little too close to home for Kevin's comfort.  Tony's complete emotional
honesty undoubtedly made an impression on Kevin too.  At times in this
exquisitely written and acted scene, the pain these two men share is almost
palpable.  Tony's two quotes that seemed to really hit home for Kevin were:

"And I can't seem to get that image out of my mind, and that hurt, and
 that aloneness, and that pain that's enervating me and dragging me down
 and maybe killing me.  And I hide behind my work...."

"....All I can see in front of me right now is this big old gray-brown
 cloud of intangible sadness.  You know, there's nothing to grasp,
 there's nothing to provide comfort or direction to me.... my life is
 just scattered, it's just all scattered around me, and everything -
 every part of me has pain in it."

After Tony leaves, Kevin lets out loud sigh and stares at the phone for
several moments, debating with himself.  He finally grabs it, pulls it
toward him purposefully, and dials.  Lucy, in the middle of a busy day at
Deception, answers:

L: "Lucy Coe."
K: "Kevin Collins."
(Lucy freezes for a moment, but she recovers quickly and feigns
  nonchalance.)
L: "Hello, Doctor.  What can I do for you?"
K: "Well, what can I say, Lucy?  When you're right, you're right."
L: "When I'm right, I'm right about what?"
K: "About what you said."
L: "Which was?"
K: "Let me tell you in person.  Will you meet me later?"
L: "No, I will not.  Tell me now."
K: "You know."
L: "I know I know - I just want to hear you say it."
K: "That's mean."
L: "Oh!  ME mean?"
K: "All right, I take that back.  Listen, I want to tell you, I will tell
   you.  Just let me do it in person."
L: "You are incorrigible."
K: "Please let me do this my way.  Will you meet me?"
L: "All right."
K: "Thank you, Lucy."
L: "What did you say, Doctor?"
K: (rolling his eyes) "THANK you."
L: "You know, that's what I thought I heard, but I just didn't quite 
   believe it."
K: "Outback at six?"
L: "Six."

They hang up; Lucy looks very pleased wih the possibilities.  And that's
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From: Mike and Kathi Mardis <mardis@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: ADMIN: Rules Amendment
Date: 17 Feb 1998 07:42:20 -0500

At 03:42 PM 2/16/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 07:43 PM 2/15/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>>
>>Unfortunately, I won't be able to provide spoilers to this listserv in the
>>future.  Someone on this list posted the spoilers I supplied on the Port
>>Charles Online Web site. 
>
>Generally, as Rika said, this is a netiquette issue.  However, because this
>mailing list is a closed community, we have added it to the list rules.
>From now on anything posted to the list is not to be shared/sent/forwarded
>elsewhere without the author's express written consent.
>
>Apologies to everyone, particularly Rika, for not having this in the rules
>to being with.
>
>It has been added to the list rules on the web page
>(http://www.taiyin.net/lists/), as well as in the greeting message.
>
>Taiyin, Co-Listmom          <taiyin@taiyin.net>
>Ultimate GH/PC Links: http://www.taiyin.net/links/
>K&L's Lighthouse: http://www.taiyin.net/lighthouse/
>Kevin's Couch: http://www.taiyin.net/couch/
>

I'm sorry - it was me - I plead ignorance.  I didn't realize that the
spoilers shouldn't be repeated.

Please accept my apology - Especially to Rika.  I really didn't mean any harm.  

Kathi
>
>-
>
>

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 19 Feb 1998 00:04:17 -0500

Well, on Tuesday I was grumpy about two things:
(1) the pre-emption of PC, about three minutes into PC (not that the
situation in Iraq isn't important, but it sure would have been nice if the
press conference could have been at some other time that day); and
(2) the fact that we could tell, even with the three minutes of PC we saw
out here, that Lucy told Kevin her bad news off camera.  And yet evidently
the show was awash in Scott/Serena reunion stuff.  Not only that, but I
hear that they showed SCOTT getting the news about Lucy on camera.  Grrrrr.

But today made up for a lot of that.  Kevin and Rex were terrific!  Rex has
finally met his match, and (to more or less quote Rex) "We should have some
fun."

I was also impressed with Kevin for thinking clearly at such an awful time,
and realizing that threats of physical violence weren't going to accomplish
anything.  Too bad Scott the Eternal Knucklehead doesn't have even a tenth
of Kevin's brains.  I was also glad that Lucy told Scott to knock it off
every time he threatened to start beating heads in.  Where was all of this
concern for Lucy back when Scott told her to marry Rex????
    
Hmmm.  I guess I'm still grumpy....

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 19 Feb 1998 08:45:54 -0800

At 12:04 AM 2/19/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>Well, on Tuesday I was grumpy about two things:
>(1) the pre-emption of PC, about three minutes into PC 

Always.  I was expecting the same thing to happen here yesterday because
the VP was in town assessing flood damage.  Surprisingly enough they
excersize remarkable self-restraint and left PC intact.

>(2) the fact that we could tell, even with the three minutes of PC we saw
>out here, that Lucy told Kevin her bad news off camera.  

Bah.

>And yet evidently the show was awash in Scott/Serena reunion stuff.  

Actually, not really.  There was really very little of that before Garcia
called Scott and told him about Lucy.  Scott bolted over there as soon as
he heard.  Serena was only in one scene.

>Not only that, but I
>hear that they showed SCOTT getting the news about Lucy on camera.  Grrrrr.

Double bah.

>But today made up for a lot of that.  Kevin and Rex were terrific!  Rex has
>finally met his match, and (to more or less quote Rex) "We should have some
>fun."

Whoa!  No kidding!  If they had done THIS from the bery beginning, I never
would have had a single complaint.  That was great.  And Kevin almost
taunting Rex with "She hurt you" was great.  

>I was also impressed with Kevin for thinking clearly at such an awful time,
>and realizing that threats of physical violence weren't going to accomplish
>anything.  

Not only that, either.  I mean, Kevin HAS to play this thing Rex's way and
he's doing it without blowing his stack.

>Too bad Scott the Eternal Knucklehead doesn't have even a tenth
>of Kevin's brains.  

<snort>  No comment.

>I was also glad that Lucy told Scott to knock it off
>every time he threatened to start beating heads in.  

So was I.  I think it showed, not only how tired she was of all of this,
but it is also probably the first time that Snotty has seen "the new Lucy"
in a crisis situation.  We got lots and lots of Old Lucy over the course of
this storyline, but I don't think Scott has actually seen the New Lucy, who
really is one half of a team -- the other half being Kevin.  I think Scott
knows that Kevin and Lucy have a very committed relationship, but I don't
think he's really had cause to see them act and work in tandum before.
He's always horned in there and managed to wedge himself in the middle.
This time he couldn't.  They were BOTH telling him to shut up and cut it
out.  That's never happened before.

>Where was all of this
>concern for Lucy back when Scott told her to marry Rex????

Or when he was going to split town with Serena and leave Lucy married to
that reptile.  
    
>Hmmm.  I guess I'm still grumpy....

Between pre-emption and Mr. Never Think Before I Open My Mouth, Esq. it's
hard to blame you.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:19:12 -0800

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That should be enough.

For starters -- WHOA!!!  I almost jumped out of my skin!!  "Not only will I
cut your heart out, I'll enjoy it.  Don't make the mistake of
underestimating me."  Oh.  My.  Gods.  

And Rex couldn't have done his homework if he thinks Kevin is incapable of
murdering him.

And that end scene, with K&L just *looking* at each other... oh my, oh my,
oh my...

And I LOVED Lucy's warning to Kevin about leaving himself a way out of
Rex's mind.  And I ESPECIALLY loved Lucy telling Scott that Kevin is
stronger than anyone imagines.

Ok, but no, I don't love it more than them making eyes at each other at the
end of the ep.  

The look on his face almost gave me heart failure.

Taiyin
"What did I do before I had you?"
--"You were lost and confused."
         -- Lucy and Kevin

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: 
Date: 20 Feb 1998 06:38:12 PST

taiyin wrote:

>And Rex couldn't have done his homework if he thinks Kevin is incapable 
of
>murdering him.

certainly not!  but that scene was DEFINITELY great!  shades of ryan all 
over again...

>And that end scene, with K&L just *looking* at each other... oh my, oh 
my,
>oh my...

i'm glad you reminded me.  ny area stations once again had some 
earth-shattering news to share with us, this time about those freaks in 
nevada with the anthrax, who (just to make it relevant, because you know 
EVERY news story has to center around ny) they claimed were plotting to 
attack the nyc subway system.  anyway...they cut into pc AGAIN, but 
thankfully waited until just about the very end.  so what we got was a 
cut to the police station, lucy sitting on the bench, kevin kneels down 
and looks at her...cut to news.  based on how it was being set up, i 
didn't THINK there'd be anything after that...so i can assume i was 
right about that?

>And I LOVED Lucy's warning to Kevin about leaving himself a way out of
>Rex's mind.  And I ESPECIALLY loved Lucy telling Scott that Kevin is
>stronger than anyone imagines.

ditto on both.  lucy's getting some awesome scenes out of all this.

question though.  ok, so we have this woman who's slowly dying from some 
unknown poison...and the good people at general hospital, where the 
entire staff knows lucy and two of them, including the chief of staff, 
used to be married to her, have the INTERNS working on cracking this 
case?  excuse me...but don't they have someone with a LITTLE more 
experience they could spare?  i know, they have some poison lab 
somewhere else working on it too...but since i'm SURE the cure, when it 
comes, will come either through kevin/rex or through someone at gh (not 
some unknown poison center) don't you think it would be a little more 
authentic to have a REAL doctor working on this???  yes, they're all 
over on gh.  but they could do a crossover!  or use one of the doctors 
that are actually on pc--although the only one we know that well is 
ellen, and she's a bit busy.  but still...it annoys me each time they 
show one of those scenes.  if i were lucy--or kevin and scott--i'd have 
every doctor i know down in that lab!

julie

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin!"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 08:18:06 -0800

At 06:38 AM 2/20/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>certainly not!  but that scene was DEFINITELY great!  shades of ryan all 
>over again...

No kidding.  The look on Kevin's face and tone in his voice when he told
Rex "Not only will I cut your heart out, I'll enjoy it" was so TOTALLY Ryan.  

>and looks at her...cut to news.  based on how it was being set up, i 
>didn't THINK there'd be anything after that...so i can assume i was 
>right about that?

Yeah, but that is one of those scenes that TOTALLY transcends words.  Just
the way they were looking at each other left me completely breathless.  It
was amazing.

I always condier that a good sign when a write trusts the actors enough to
give them a scene like that, with no dialogue -- hell, they were barely
even touching.  It was all eyes and facial expressions.  And I can't think
of any other couple/actors who have ever pulled it off so well.

Then again, I'm bias.

>question though.  ok, so we have this woman who's slowly dying from some 
>unknown poison...and the good people at general hospital, where the 
>entire staff knows lucy and two of them, including the chief of staff, 
>used to be married to her, have the INTERNS working on cracking this 
>case?  

Yeah, but at the moment, Tony is getting drunk in the park and getting
arrested for public drunkeness, while Alan is trying to cover up the fact
that he was the one who broke into the pharmacy at the PC Hotel.

I see your point, but right now I wouldn't want to place Lucy's life in
EITHER of those sets of hands.

I am *really* excited about Luke's crossover next week, though. <happy dance>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin!"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 08:18:06 -0800

At 06:38 AM 2/20/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>certainly not!  but that scene was DEFINITELY great!  shades of ryan all 
>over again...

No kidding.  The look on Kevin's face and tone in his voice when he told
Rex "Not only will I cut your heart out, I'll enjoy it" was so TOTALLY Ryan.  

>and looks at her...cut to news.  based on how it was being set up, i 
>didn't THINK there'd be anything after that...so i can assume i was 
>right about that?

Yeah, but that is one of those scenes that TOTALLY transcends words.  Just
the way they were looking at each other left me completely breathless.  It
was amazing.

I always condier that a good sign when a write trusts the actors enough to
give them a scene like that, with no dialogue -- hell, they were barely
even touching.  It was all eyes and facial expressions.  And I can't think
of any other couple/actors who have ever pulled it off so well.

Then again, I'm bias.

>question though.  ok, so we have this woman who's slowly dying from some 
>unknown poison...and the good people at general hospital, where the 
>entire staff knows lucy and two of them, including the chief of staff, 
>used to be married to her, have the INTERNS working on cracking this 
>case?  

Yeah, but at the moment, Tony is getting drunk in the park and getting
arrested for public drunkeness, while Alan is trying to cover up the fact
that he was the one who broke into the pharmacy at the PC Hotel.

I see your point, but right now I wouldn't want to place Lucy's life in
EITHER of those sets of hands.

I am *really* excited about Luke's crossover next week, though. <happy dance>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 11:36:32 -0500

At 01:19 PM 2/20/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>For starters -- WHOA!!!  I almost jumped out of my skin!!  "Not only will I
>cut your heart out, I'll enjoy it.  Don't make the mistake of
>underestimating me."  Oh.  My.  Gods.  

AMEN!  I just finished writing the Thursday update for RATSA, and I
transcribed that little bit of the show - Kevin's threat and Rex's
reaction.  The chemistry between them in that moment - well, I thought Rex
put it best:  "What a rush!  Did you feel it?"  I sure did!

>And Rex couldn't have done his homework if he thinks Kevin is incapable of
>murdering him.

True.  He's relying too much on what he has seen of Kevin, and not enough
on Kevin's personal and family history.

>And that end scene, with K&L just *looking* at each other... oh my, oh my,
>oh my...

Yes.  Yes.  Yes.  YES!

>And I LOVED Lucy's warning to Kevin about leaving himself a way out of
>Rex's mind.  And I ESPECIALLY loved Lucy telling Scott that Kevin is
>stronger than anyone imagines.

Wasn't that GREAT????  In a way she shares Scott's concern about Kevin -
hence the warning to Kevin (and that was an amplification of the warning
she gave Kevin before they left for Serenity).  But she's not worried
because she thinks Kevin is weak - she's worried because she knows that
Kevin would risk anything and everything for her.

And she's right about Kevin's strength - he demonstrated it in the very
next scene.  When Rex told Kevin that the antidote formula was in the
destroyed envelope, and that the game was now over (finishing by chortling,
"Bye bye, Lucy"), can you IMAGINE the strength of will it must have taken
Kevin to refrain from reach across the table, grabbing Rex by the throat
and strangling him?  That's what Scott doesn't get - strength doesn't
translate into flailing away at anything and everything.  

>Ok, but no, I don't love it more than them making eyes at each other at the
>end of the ep.  
>
>The look on his face almost gave me heart failure.

I know.  There almost aren't enough words in the English language to name
all the emotions there.  How can a single look say, "I love you more than
anything else in the world and I don't think I could bear it if I lost you,
and it's destroying me to see you dying in front of my eyes, and on top of
that I'm frustrated because I would do anything to save you, but I can't
get that cretin in there to tell me what I need to know.  But at the same
time I want to offer you some hope and not show you the way this is tearing
me apart - but the problem is, you know it whether I show it to you or not,
because we know each other's hearts so well."  Amazing.

And I have to say it.  I have to admit it.  All you facial-hair-on-Kevin
advocates, I've deserted the opposition and joined your ranks!  I hated the
goatee, and if he were wearing one now, I'd still hate it, I think.  But I
ADORE this current look, and it suits the storyline perfectly too.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin!"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 08:48:20 -0800

Oops.  Maxima mea culpa.  I knew it was only a matter of time before I did
it myself.  So I apologize for the double posts (before I get a warning
from Cagey <g>).

Too busy thinking about that Look, I guess. <sigh>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 20 Feb 1998 11:58:31 -0500

At 08:45 AM 2/19/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>Whoa!  No kidding!  If they had done THIS from the bery beginning, I never
>would have had a single complaint.  That was great.  And Kevin almost
>taunting Rex with "She hurt you" was great.  

Yes, especially that he finally got through Rex's tough hide.  That's the
first time since the crushed-scone scene months and months ago that
anything the gang has done has seemed to hit Rex where it hurts.

>I think Scott
>knows that Kevin and Lucy have a very committed relationship, but I don't
>think he's really had cause to see them act and work in tandum before.
>He's always horned in there and managed to wedge himself in the middle.
>This time he couldn't.  They were BOTH telling him to shut up and cut it
>out.  That's never happened before.

I know!  He was occupying his rightful place in their relationship -
outside the circle.  FINALLY!  But he doesn't get it yet; he's still trying
to take control of the situation (which would have just as good as result
as his handling of the fuse box did).

>>Where was all of this
>>concern for Lucy back when Scott told her to marry Rex????
>
>Or when he was going to split town with Serena and leave Lucy married to
>that reptile.  

That's still the part that amazes me.  Did Scott truly believe that Rex
would let Lucy live after that?  I know I've said it before, but if Lucy
had taken Serena to Scott as Scott asked her to do, Rex would *certainly*
have figured out that Lucy was helping Scott.  They would have tried to
cook up some fake explanation - Scott swooped down and grabbed Serena when
Lucy wasn't expecting it, or something like that - but Rex isn't stupid.
Lucy would probably be *exactly* where she is right now, if not already dead.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 09:00:41 -0800

At 11:36 AM 2/20/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>AMEN!  I just finished writing the Thursday update for RATSA, and I
>transcribed that little bit of the show - Kevin's threat and Rex's
>reaction.  The chemistry between them in that moment - well, I thought Rex
>put it best:  "What a rush!  Did you feel it?"  I sure did!

I had goosebumps.  Literally.

The only thing that I *dislike* about ANY of this is the fact that it is
proving that we were all right from the VERY beginning:  Kevin and Rex
should have gone toe-to-toe from day one.  It is SO much more complex and
fascinating to watch them try to out-think each other than it was to watch
Rex set a stupid trap and Scott demonstrate his High Exhaulted Yutzness by
falling into it time and again.

>True.  He's relying too much on what he has seen of Kevin, and not enough
>on Kevin's personal and family history.

And even then, it's not as though Rex didn't have his doubts about Kevin's
sanity when he showed up at the party with a skunk or when he decked Rex
after that.  Not that any of that equates to murder, but still...

>>And that end scene, with K&L just *looking* at each other... oh my, oh my,
>>oh my...
>
>Yes.  Yes.  Yes.  YES!

I had to watch that again this morning as I was setting up the tape for
today's ep.  It still blows me away.

>Wasn't that GREAT????  In a way she shares Scott's concern about Kevin -
>hence the warning to Kevin (and that was an amplification of the warning
>she gave Kevin before they left for Serenity).  But she's not worried
>because she thinks Kevin is weak - she's worried because she knows that
>Kevin would risk anything and everything for her.

Exactly.  Plus, she (more than anyone else) understands the kind of pull
that side of him has on the rest of him.  She knows that it's very
uncontrollable, and that tapping into that side of himself is less a matter
of being around Rex too much, as it is Rex just finding the right buttons
to push.  And I don't think Lucy underestimates the fact that Rex KNOWS
that -- he just has to figure out what buttons those are and how to get to
them.

Killing Lucy would be a pretty damn good start, though.

>"Bye bye, Lucy"), can you IMAGINE the strength of will it must have taken
>Kevin to refrain from reach across the table, grabbing Rex by the throat
>and strangling him?  That's what Scott doesn't get - strength doesn't
>translate into flailing away at anything and everything.  

That's why Scott just bores me (with pretty much anyone but his daughters
and/or Eve): if it were up to him, he'd go in and pound on Rex in the hopes
that he would eventually spit out the antidote.  But Kevin's right, it's
HIGHLY unlikely that would work at all.  Lucy hit the nail on the head when
they were searching Rex's house -- Scott could go ahead and kill Rex and
where would that leave her?

>>The look on his face almost gave me heart failure.
>
>I know.  There almost aren't enough words in the English language to name
>all the emotions there.  

You got pretty close, though.  But there was still more.  It was just amazing.

>And I have to say it.  I have to admit it.  All you facial-hair-on-Kevin
>advocates, I've deserted the opposition and joined your ranks!  I hated the
>goatee, and if he were wearing one now, I'd still hate it, I think.  But I
>ADORE this current look, and it suits the storyline perfectly too.

Hee hee hee.  Now we just gotta get Cagey to quit threatening him with that
razor. <g>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: K&L: 
Date: 20 Feb 1998 09:18:11 PST

taiyin wrote:


>Yeah, but that is one of those scenes that TOTALLY transcends words.  
Just
>the way they were looking at each other left me completely breathless.  
It
>was amazing.

damn.  damn damn damn damn damn.  based on that, and the description i 
just read (by rika?  i forget...), i am SOOOOOOO angry at abc-ny.  
GRRRRRRRRR.  and just when i was about to give them a TEENSY bit of 
credit for TRYING to make their previous pre-emption up to us.  the day 
where we only got the first minute or two?  well, the next day they did 
a "previously on port charles" thing at the beginning, which was kind of 
nice of them.  but i REALLY wish they would just leave us all alone.  
god forbid we actually go to war with iraq...


>Yeah, but at the moment, Tony is getting drunk in the park and getting
>arrested for public drunkeness, while Alan is trying to cover up the 
fact
>that he was the one who broke into the pharmacy at the PC Hotel.
>
>I see your point, but right now I wouldn't want to place Lucy's life in
>EITHER of those sets of hands.

well...i can't argue with you there!  especially since i've LONG 
considered those two to BOTH be grade-a putzes who, for supposedly smart 
men, were capable of doing some REALLY dumb things.  so i didn't 
necessarily mean those two!  just that she's certainly well-connected 
enough that she should be able to commandeer someone a TAD higher on the 
hospital food chain than an intern or two!  but hey, why mess things up 
with reality, i guess...

>I am *really* excited about Luke's crossover next week, though. <happy 
dance>

luke's coming?!?  how did i miss THAT news?  i can't wait!  :)

julie


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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 20 Feb 1998 09:17:00 -0800

At 11:58 AM 2/20/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>Yes, especially that he finally got through Rex's tough hide.  That's the
>first time since the crushed-scone scene months and months ago that
>anything the gang has done has seemed to hit Rex where it hurts.

That was part of what I loved about their conversation.  Kevin was aksing
Rex if he really believed that Lucy would walk away from everythign in her
life just for him, and Rex really wanted Kevin to believe that he knew Lucy
was setting him up all along.  Bah.  And I love it when Kevin starts
punching intellectual holes in other people's arguments.  Rex got too used
to dealing with Scott.  He wasn't prepared for someone to out-think him.

I did think it was interesting, though, that Rex admitted that Kevin was
never anything more than a mildly amusing by-stander in all of this.  Boy,
that turkey will live to rethink that one, eh?

>I know!  He was occupying his rightful place in their relationship -
>outside the circle.  FINALLY!  

Amen!

>But he doesn't get it yet; he's still trying
>to take control of the situation (which would have just as good as result
>as his handling of the fuse box did).

Well, even Scott has to learn by rote eventually.  Lucy just needs to keep
putting him in his place.  It's like disciplinign children:  if one parent
is strict and the other is permissive, the permissive one completely
undermines everything the strict one is trying to accomplish.  Lucy and
Kevin BOTH need to hold fast when it comes to keeping Scott out of the
middle of their relationship.  If they do that, then maybe he'll stop
annoying me so much, because he won't be sticking his nose in anything that
doesn't pertain to him. 

>Lucy would probably be *exactly* where she is right now, if not already dead.

You know what that reminded me of:  Tom during the whole Jasmine Island
stuff.  While Felicia was in there, Tom was trying to get Mac to go in
shooting -- and to hell with Kevin.  Yet as soon as it was no longer
*Felicia's* neck on the line, he could step back and say, "Oh, well, now
that you mention it, this is a very interesting case study and wouldn't I
just be a great shrink if I could sit back (while Lucy does ALL the work)
and listen to Kevin come apart at the seems while I make all kinds of
fabulously insightful observations about him and his demented family."

Bah.

Not that I think Scott should ever even consider sacrificing Serena, but
you know, Serena's actual LIFE was never in danger (once she was returned
after the kidnapping).  Her inheretance was in lots of danger -- but so
what?  It's only money, and more of it than she will EVER need.  And
Scott's freedom was in danger, a valid concern to be sure.  But Lucy was
the ONLY one whose LIFE was ever in danger through out this ridiculous
scheme.  

I think that's probably what bothers me most of all, at the base of all of
this:  Scott was equating Serena's money with Lucy's life.  That's not a
fair trade.  Not even close.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. 
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 12:49:49 -0500

At 09:00 AM 2/20/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>The only thing that I *dislike* about ANY of this is the fact that it is
>proving that we were all right from the VERY beginning:  Kevin and Rex
>should have gone toe-to-toe from day one.  It is SO much more complex and
>fascinating to watch them try to out-think each other than it was to watch
>Rex set a stupid trap and Scott demonstrate his High Exhaulted Yutzness by
>falling into it time and again.

I know.  It's nice to be proven right, but it's frustrating to think of all
the wasted time.  Then again, perhaps Kevin/Rex was always the inevitable
endgame.  If their goal was to keep Rex around for a while, maybe they had
to delay this.

>And even then, it's not as though Rex didn't have his doubts about Kevin's
>sanity when he showed up at the party with a skunk or when he decked Rex
>after that.  Not that any of that equates to murder, but still...

Maybe that's the key, though - he thought Kevin capable of dirty tricks,
but not murder.

About Rex's ability to be a danger to Kevin's psyche:
>And I don't think Lucy underestimates the fact that Rex KNOWS
>that -- he just has to figure out what buttons those are and how to get to
>them.
>
>Killing Lucy would be a pretty damn good start, though.

Yeeeeaaaah, I think that would be pretty effective.  

>That's why Scott just bores me (with pretty much anyone but his daughters
>and/or Eve): if it were up to him, he'd go in and pound on Rex in the hopes
>that he would eventually spit out the antidote. 

That's it.  Unfortunately, where they've managed to create a "new Lucy" who
is still interesting and still has sparkle, their attempt to rehabilitate
Scott isn't working for me.  As you said, he's great with Serena, Karen,
and Eve, but outside of that  he seems to have only one response mode -
bluster and threats.  They need to let him be more of a manipulator as he
used to be - or else stop exposing him to constant threats that make him
behave like an idiot.

>>And I have to say it.  I have to admit it.  All you facial-hair-on-Kevin
>>advocates, I've deserted the opposition and joined your ranks!  I hated the
>>goatee, and if he were wearing one now, I'd still hate it, I think.  But I
>>ADORE this current look, and it suits the storyline perfectly too.
>
>Hee hee hee.  Now we just gotta get Cagey to quit threatening him with that
>razor. <g>

Yeah, I was on her side for a while, and if he shows up clean-shaven when
the storyline is over I won't be heartbroken, but I have to say that for
the moment I'm perfectly contented!

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: PC on Friday, 2/20
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:12:12 -0500

More good stuff today!

S
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S
P
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Today's episode had some GREAT moments:

(1) A little bit of Katherine Bell/Lucy sparring.  I go back and forth on
these two - sometimes I enjoy them and sometimes they just annoy me - but
today they were good.  Despite the fact that Katherine came over to help
Lucy, neither one made any pretense of liking the other, and they exchanged
some lines that would be quite cruel outside the parameters of this
particular relationship.  How did Lucy put it once?  "She's not my worst
enemy - she's my best enemy." 

(2) The BEST moment of the Katherine/Lucy thing, though, was when Scott
tried to intervene.  I won't spoil it for anyone, but Scott gets some
bruising to his precious ego - in stereo.  It was very funny.

(3) Lucy went in to see Rex to beg for her life.  A great scene - very
intense.

(4) Katherine reiterated the important clue about Rex poisoning the
Serenity caretaker's cat.  (If you've read the ABC Daytime Dilemma for this
week, you know why this is an important clue.)

(5) After Katherine told them about Rex's fear of spiders, Kevin went and
got some, and then he went to talk to Rex again.  The BEST part of the
scene - even better than when he showed him he spiders - was while he was
*talking* about spiders.  He went walking behind Rex and lightly flicked a
finger against Rex's neck - you know, to make it feel like something small
and crawly and just landed there.  Rex's flinch was SO satisfying.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 10:09:47 -0800

At 12:49 PM 2/20/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>I know.  It's nice to be proven right, but it's frustrating to think of all
>the wasted time.  Then again, perhaps Kevin/Rex was always the inevitable
>endgame.  If their goal was to keep Rex around for a while, maybe they had
>to delay this.

I guess.  And now that Rex is "put in his place" I wouldn't even mind if he
stuck around.  How's THAT for an about face? ;-)

>Maybe that's the key, though - he thought Kevin capable of dirty tricks,
>but not murder.

<snort> Goes to show what he knows, eh?

>That's it.  Unfortunately, where they've managed to create a "new Lucy" who
>is still interesting and still has sparkle, their attempt to rehabilitate
>Scott isn't working for me.  

I agree.  And I am liking Joe less and less as he becomes more and more
like Scott.  All bluster and no brains.  It's disappointing.

>They need to let him be more of a manipulator as he
>used to be - or else stop exposing him to constant threats that make him
>behave like an idiot.

THAT is the Scotty I miss.  He used to be SO cunning and coniving.  I mean,
the Lucy/Scott/Tracy triangle was one of my favorite times in all of GH
history.  The three of them were so machiavellian back then, that no one
could hold a candle to them.  And despite whatever alliances there were at
any given time, they were all three ALWAYS trying to out-scheme the others.
 You never knew what they were going to do next.  I miss that Scott.  This
one lacks that kind of dimension.

And, FYI, just as a side note:  anyone who has any of my pages linked off
any of their pages, you might want to update the links.  I've taken all my
GH/PC sites down from my old web site (users.ap.net/~taiyin) and they've
all gone up on my new site (www.taiyin.net).  There are pointers up there
for now, but they won't be up there indefinitely.  This INCLUDES all four
web rings (GH/PC Fic, K&L, Docs and Nurses, and PC).  

I will be doing the web rings on more of a one-on-one basis, though, since
many people have a problem with changing the coding.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
<taiyin@taiyin.net> http://www.taiyin.net/

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:22:34 -0500

At 09:17 AM 2/20/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>Well, even Scott has to learn by rote eventually.  Lucy just needs to keep
>putting him in his place.  It's like disciplinign children:  if one parent
>is strict and the other is permissive, the permissive one completely
>undermines everything the strict one is trying to accomplish.  Lucy and
>Kevin BOTH need to hold fast when it comes to keeping Scott out of the
>middle of their relationship. 

Well put.  That's been the problem so far - they haven't presented a united
front where that was concerned.  Lucy constantly gives Scott messages that
it's okay to butt in.  I still can't believe, up there on the hospital roof
when Lucy told Kevin she was going to accept Rex's proposal, that Scott had
the nerve to insert himself into their argument.  And I also can't believe
that Kevin had the self-control to simply bellow at Rex; if I'd been in his
place, Scott would probably have gotten a quick one-way trip down to ground
level.

>You know what that reminded me of:  Tom during the whole Jasmine Island
>stuff.  

GREAT parallel.  

>I think that's probably what bothers me most of all, at the base of all of
>this:  Scott was equating Serena's money with Lucy's life.  That's not a
>fair trade.  Not even close.

If that's really the way Scott saw it, I whole-heartedly agree with you.
But I'm not sure it was quite that cut and dried.  Certainly Lucy didn't
put herself at risk (and, in fairness to Scott, it *was* Lucy's idea
originally, not his - sometimes I tend to forget that) just to preserve
Serena's money.  She did it for Serena's emotional and/or physical
well-being.  For example, was Rex's eventual plan to have Serena suffer an
"accident" and die, leaving him with sole custody of the trust fund?  I
wouldn't put it past him, and neither would Scott, I'm sure.  And even if
Serena lived, Scott knew that Rex would never give her the love that a
child needs.  But Lucy's life still should have been worth *something* in
that equation. 

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:26:57 -0500

At 10:09 AM 2/20/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>I guess.  And now that Rex is "put in his place" I wouldn't even mind if he
>stuck around.  How's THAT for an about face? ;-)

Be careful what you wish for..... 

>I agree.  And I am liking Joe less and less as he becomes more and more
>like Scott.  All bluster and no brains.  It's disappointing.

Yup.  I just wrote the Thursday update, and I included the remark that I
could now understand what Karen sees in Joe - he reminds her of her father.
 But the good news is that, in Joe's case, it's seen as a problem in need
of a solution (unlike Scott's case, where people just put up with it and
say, "Oh, that's just Scott").  So maybe when we're past the crisis we'll
get some nice Kevin-Joe therapy scenes and perhaps Joe will calm down a
little bit later on.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Rex
Date: 20 Feb 1998 10:41:46 -0800

At 01:22 PM 2/20/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>If that's really the way Scott saw it, I whole-heartedly agree with you.
>But I'm not sure it was quite that cut and dried.  

No doubt, you're right.  I think this has just been my problem with that
entire aspect of this storyline from the very beginning:  I never felt like
it was for any real reason other than ego (Rex and Scott's) and money.  And
it always felt like very pitiful reasons to put everyone through all that
they went through.

It probably wasn't that cut and dried at all, and I agree, I wouldn't out
it past Rex to kill Serena, but I never felt there was any really
interesting motivation involved in this storyline.

Obviously I understand that "need to protect Serena" stuff, but since that
was all in reaction to a threat that always seemed very trivial and
superfluous to me, it made it really difficult for me to care one way or
the other.

Remember back when Jake found out about Danielle?  His response was, "this
is all about some dead woman's MONEY???"  

That's how I've felt about this entire thing from the very beginning.  And
that's easily why I've never found Rex to be even remotely interesting or
compelling.

Until this week.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
<taiyin@taiyin.net> http://www.taiyin.net/

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: PC promo for next week
Date: 20 Feb 1998 15:31:31 -0500

It's been a few weeks since they showed a PC promo during GH, but they
finally showed one today.  I don't think what I'm about to say qualifies as
a spoiler, so I'll forego the space.  But based on what they showed, I
think we'd better have lots of Kleenex handy.  It looks like there are
going to be some VERY emotional scenes next week.  Just watching the promo
made me sad!

Rika

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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Way to go, Kevin"
Date: 20 Feb 1998 15:21:52 -0800 (PST)


Rika wrote:

>All you facial-hair-on-Kevin advocates, I've deserted 
>the opposition and joined your ranks!  

Awww, Rika, say it ain't so ;)

I want to see that adorable chin, darn it!

--kg

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, Trust, and the Truth
Date: 21 Feb 1998 11:43:34 -0500

KEVIN, LUCY, TRUST, AND THE TRUTH - late October, 1994

As agreed upon in our last scene, Kevin and Lucy meet at the Outback for
dinner.  Kevin arrives first and spends some time with Mac discussing
Felicia's attempt to sew Maxie a worm costume for Halloween; Lucy is
waylaid at the hospital by Sean Donely, who considers her a contender in
the who-tried-to-murder-Katherine-Bell Olympics.  Her discussion with Sean
leads to Lucy's "How I Would Kill Katherine" fantasies - in one, Lucy
literally smothers her with cash, and in the other she induces Katherine to
dive out a penthouse window in hot pursuit of a diamond.  Sean insists on
following Lucy to the Outback.  They arrive, and Lucy has a brief
conversation with Felicia about the loan of Lucy's pregnancy-friendly
pumpkin costume.  Then Lucy sees Kevin standing by a table across the room,
waiting for her.  She turns to Sean:

L: "You know, Sean, you see that man over there?  That man is what people
   commonly call my date for the evening."  (She approaches Kevin; Sean
   follows).  "And, you know, even though it's been so fascinating to
   spend time with you, I really have to call it quits.  You know, it's
   been very swell, though - gee, it's been swell." 
(Lucy walks close to Kevin and whispers to him:)
L: "Can you get rid of him, please?"
(Lucy hooks her arm through Kevin's, and he addresses Sean politely:)
K: "A pleasure to see you again, Commissioner."
S: "It's been a slice."
L: "Bye."
(Sean leaves.  Kevin and Lucy sit down at their table.)
L: "Oh boy, I can honestly say that has been probably one of the most
   unpleasant experiences I've had in recent memory.  Do you know that he
   was actually treating me, me of all people, like a common suspect?"
K: "Well, I wouldn't let it get you bent all out of shape.  That would be
   a shame.  And besides, looks like you've eluded capture.  No reading
   of your rights, no handcuffs."
L: "Stop it right now.  You know the rules.  Rules - isn't that
   interesting?  I am the one with rules for a change."
K: "And I am here to abide by each and every one of them.  Lucy, you told
   me that I should never darken your doorstep again unless I was honest
   about my past.  And I'd like to start by apologizing for my despicable
   behavior."
L: "Apology accepted.  See?  That wasn't so hard."
K: "This isn't going to be easy for me."
L: "I know.  Trust me?"
K: "Remember you said that.  I will."  (Kevin pauses for a moment and
   then dives in.)  "Her name was Grace."
(Lucy wasn't necessarily expecting this, but she's going along for the
  ride for now.)
L: "Grace."
K: "To say we had a love-hate relationship really wouldn't capture the
   reality.  And I'd rather skip all the gorey details of the peaks and
   valleys, especially here in this context, which is why I asked you to
   meet me here.  I'd rather just get to the part that's pertinent."
L: "Okay."
K: "We were having a bad time, so we thought it might be a good idea to
   go away for a while.  We rented a chalet at Lake Lucerne.  And we did
   two things the entire week we were there.  We screamed at each other
   until our throats were raw, and we made love as if it were the last
   moment of our lives.  The irony of that is dreadful.  We continued to
   spiral downward and downward until that last horrible night of rage
   and red wine, when she attacked me and I wanted to kill her."
(Lucy's a bit taken aback by all of this, but she recovers enough to say:)
L: "Well, that's really not so horrible.  I mean, I think all of us
   indulge in weird fantasies from time to time about killing somebody. 
   You know, I just indulged myself -"
K: "This went way beyond fantasy, Lucy."
L: "Kevin, what are you trying to tell me?"
K: "I wanted to kill her."
L: "You don't mean kill, not really like a murder."
K: "That's exactly what I mean, Lucy.  I wanted to rip her throat out."
L: "What did you do?"
K: "I left so I wouldn't."
(Lucy looks extremely relieved.)
K: "I went out to the car and passed out, and I don't remember a thing
   until I came to on the side of the road, soaking wet and barely alive. 
   I was alive but Grace wasn't so lucky.  She was trapped inside the car
   that I drove through a guard rail into the lake, and she died.  You
   see, I was too much of a coward to kill her with my bare hands.  I
   used an automobile instead."
L: "Kevin, this is what you've been carrying around all this time?"
K: "Repression seemed like a good idea.  And then I read about Ryan."
L: "Oh my gosh, Ryan."
K: "Now his case study explained a lot.  The anger, the capacity for
   violence.  The thought of him repulsed me, but it also compelled me,
   and that's why I came here.  I thought I could rehabilitate him, and
   by extension myself.  I thought that I could put him back in society
   whole and cured and somehow that would absolve me, and even the sc -
   it would even the score.  Ryan's life for Grace's, or maybe that's the
   other way around.  Well, he saw through me in about ten minutes.  And
   then he proceeded to give me a very thorough lesson in the futility of
   my quest and the arrogance behind it.  And that's it."
L: "That's a lot to sort out."
K: "Tell me about it."
L: "Until you do, it doesn't really leave a lot of room for us, does it?"
K: "Not if you're walking away."
(Lucy pauses a moment before answering, you can feel Kevin's anxiety as
  he waits.)
L: "I'm not.  But I'm just saying that you won't be available to me,
   really, in your heart till you sort this all out, and I do so want
   your heart."
K: "It's a black and wretched thing, Lucy."
(Sniff.  Lucy reaches across and touches his hand.)
L: "You can't make me believe that."
K: "Do you mind if we skip dinner?  I've suddenly lost my appetite, and
   you have some thinking to do."
L: "Okay."
(They stand up.)
K: "I'll walk you upstairs."
L: "Kevin, if you think for one minute that you're scaring me away, think
   again.  Because I'm going to do exactly what you told me to do.  I'm
   going to think about this long and hard, and I'm going to figure out a
   way to help you."

They look at each other; Kevin smiles a tentative, not-quite-there smile,
but the relief and admiration in his eyes speak volumes.  They leave the
Outback together.

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Lucy's Motives and Methods revisited
Date: 21 Feb 1998 13:02:19 -0500

A while back we were discussing how much, and in what ways, Lucy had
changed since the old days.  I proposed (and some of you agreed) that the
primary change in Lucy was in her motives, not in her methods of
accomplishing her goals.  As I argued at the time, the "old" Lucy would
have gone after Rex in almost exactly the same way; the difference would
have been that her reasons for doing so would not have been so altruistic.

I've been meaning to comment that it's necessary to revise that conclusion
now, due to Lucy's refusal to sleep with Rex.  She wasn't completely
renouncing her old ways, but she recognized a line that the "new Lucy"
couldn't cross, no matter what the reward if she did, and no matter what
the price if she didn't.  We talked about what an important moment that
was, but it didn't occur to me till recently how much that played into the
motives vs. methods argument.

I thought of it this week because it's sad to note that the old Lucy
probably wouldn't be dying right now.  Without the scruples that kept her
from sacrificing her self-respect and violating Kevin's trust, she could
probably have done a better job of convincing Rex that her feelings were
real.  She isn't the same person anymore, and she is no longer completely
willing to let the ends justify the means.  As a result, the means have to
change.  I hope she takes this lesson with her when she has recovered from
this crisis.  

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Lucy spoiler and speculation
Date: 22 Feb 1998 12:37:20 -0500

I thought I'd pass on one spoiler I read because it might be fun to
speculate about what it might mean:

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

B
E
L
O
W

This is a spoiler for the first week in March, not for next week.  I think
it's pretty clear from the PC promo what's going to be happening on PC this
coming week.

There's a spoiler that says Lucy will make a "startling" announcement.
Somewhere else, I read something that sounded similar, except they used the
word "exciting."  I don't know if that was a different spoiler or a
paraphrase of the first one.  It matters, because "startling" could be good
or bad, where "exciting" sounds good.

Lucy is apparently going to be recovering - and quickly - from the poison
during the first week in March (there's also a vague spoiler about Jacks
Cosmetics, so she's apparently going to be healthy enough to be dealing
with problems with the business).  So the question is, what would she be
announcing?

An annulment from Rex would be good, but not "startling" unless that
referred to how quickly she managed to achieve it.

A wedding date with Kevin would be VERY nice, and while I think that would
be "exciting", I don't think it would qualify as "startling" for K&L to set
a date.  Besides, it seems like that would be Kevin and Lucy's joint
announcement, not just Lucy's.  (Of course, you can't read too much into
the wording of these spoilers....)

So, what about pregnancy?  It occurred to me when I first read the spoiler,
and I understand it's the most common speculation on some of the message
boards.  I can think of reasons why it makes sense, and other reasons why
it doesn't.  I can also think of reasons why I'd like to see it happen, and
other reasons why I wouldn't.  So I'm on the fence and I'd be interested in
other opinions - or other ideas about the "startling" announcement.

At least, if she *is* pregnant, we know Rex isn't the father.  Thank goodness.

Rika

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy spoiler and speculation
Date: 22 Feb 1998 20:01:50 PST


Rika wrote:
>I thought I'd pass on one spoiler I read because it might be fun to
>speculate about what it might mean:
>
>S
>P
>O
>I
>L
>E
>R
>
>B
>E
>L
>O
>W
>

>There's a spoiler that says Lucy will make a "startling" 
>announcement.Somewhere else, I read something that sounded similar, 
>except they used the word "exciting."  I don't know if that was a 
>different spoiler or a paraphrase of the first one.  It matters, 
>because "startling" could be good or bad, where "exciting" sounds 
>good.

In some of the spoilers I've read here and there, it was also stated 
that her recovery "brings startling information to light" (this was the 
gist of the spoiler- the wording might have varied slightly) and that 
her news was "thrilling". But as we all know, in the world of spoilers, 
events described as "startling", "exciting", or "thrilling" are often 
far from it.

The "startling" info. uncovered might be something as simple as the fact 
that despite having suffered massive organ failure and being at death's 
door, Lucy has suffered no permanent damage whatsoever and will recover 
fully. I don't know if this would qualify as an "announcement" made by 
Lucy though. Maybe she "announces" that she has regained full use of her 
legs/arms.

>Lucy is apparently going to be recovering - and quickly - from the 
>poison during the first week in March (there's also a vague spoiler 
>about Jacks Cosmetics, so she's apparently going to be healthy enough 
>to be dealing with problems with the business).  So the question is, 
>what would she be announcing?

From what I've understood from the spoilers (and I could be wrong) the 
announcement seems directly related to whatever it is they discover 
during Lucy's recovery so it must have something to do with her health. 
Although I do like both of your suggestions re. the annulment and esp. a 
wedding date!


>So, what about pregnancy?  It occurred to me when I first read the 
>spoiler, and I understand it's the most common speculation on some of 
>the message boards.  I can think of reasons why it makes sense, and 
>other reasons why it doesn't.  I can also think of reasons why I'd 
>like to see it happen, and other reasons why I wouldn't.

This *does* make sense- it would definitely be thrilling and exciting 
and also startling since it was never detected during the barrage of 
tests and startling because Lucy didn't miscarry during the crisis. Much 
as I would like to see a pregnancy, the timing of this has me torn. 
Under "normal" circumstances a pregnancy would give K&L plenty to be 
concerned about- Lucy's history of miscarriage and Kevin's doubts as to 
his own gene pool, without the added burden of worrying whether or not 
the baby has been affected by Lucy's poisoning. This scenario would 
provide some serious dramatic possibilities so I can see why the writers 
might want to go this route but *really*, for K&L fans we're talking 
angst overkill. 

Then again maybe the announcement is something none of us would have 
thought of and it will become clearer what it could be this week.

>At least, if she *is* pregnant, we know Rex isn't the father.  Thank 
goodness.

Amen to that.

NovaLee

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy spoiler and speculation
Date: 23 Feb 1998 00:32:30 -0500

At 08:01 PM 2/22/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:
>
>Rika wrote:
>>I thought I'd pass on one spoiler I read because it might be fun to
>>speculate about what it might mean:
>>
>>S
>>P
>>O
>>I
>>L
>>E
>>R
>>
>>B
>>E
>>L
>>O
>>W
>>
>
>>From what I've understood from the spoilers (and I could be wrong) the 
>announcement seems directly related to whatever it is they discover 
>during Lucy's recovery so it must have something to do with her health. 

I think so too....

>>So, what about pregnancy?  

>This *does* make sense- it would definitely be thrilling and exciting 
>and also startling since it was never detected during the barrage of 
>tests

That I can buy.  During the crisis, the tests would have been focused on
looking for signs of different toxins.  Probably nobody even bothered to
run a pregnancy test during the crisis, but she might have symptoms during
her recovery that prompt them to do so.  Or maybe they decide to do a
complete work-up as she recovers to make sure they haven't missed any
lingering problems.  

>Much as I would like to see a pregnancy, the timing of this has me torn. 

Ditto.  I want them to have a baby together, but I'd rather see them get
some "breathing room" (pun NOT intended, given what's coming this week)
first.  Plus.....

>Under "normal" circumstances a pregnancy would give K&L plenty to be 
>concerned about- Lucy's history of miscarriage and Kevin's doubts as to 
>his own gene pool, without the added burden of worrying whether or not 
>the baby has been affected by Lucy's poisoning. 

Precisely.  It makes Rex's poisoning into the gift that keeps on giving,
and they simply don't need that to deal with on top of everything else.
They would worry about it right up till the birth, and probably even after.
 Which reminds me of another reason I think pregnancy is a possibility.  Do
the math.  Suppose the child was conceived in early February, maybe in the
hospital elevator the day after Lucy's engagement party.  That would put
her just barely in her second month when it is discovered, which would mean
the baby would be due in - yes, November.  Just in time for sweeps.  Along
with a May-sweeps wedding, at which time Lucy could still wear any style
wedding gown she wanted since she wouldn't be showing yet, it would all
work out very nicely.....

>Then again maybe the announcement is something none of us would have 
>thought of and it will become clearer what it could be this week.

You're right.  This is a LOT of speculation based on very little information.

One final note.  A friend told me that there's an article in the SOD area
on AOL saying that Wayne Northrop has taped his final scene on PC.  So I
guess that means Rex will be gone by some time in mid-March.  Isn't it
ironic - now that he's playing mind games with Kevin, I'm not in a hurry to
see him leave.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: "Sanity Challenged"
Date: 24 Feb 1998 11:10:24 -0800

Oh my, I do SO love it when he's bad. <sigh>

Bad and scruffy all at once.  Just kill me now and let me die happy.

I LOVED yesterday when he was torturing Rex.  I think I nearly lost
conscienceness at least once. ;-)

Of course there were more than a few noteworthy quotes, but I was too busy
drooling to write them down.  I'll do that later.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
<taiyin@taiyin.net> http://www.taiyin.net/

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Sanity Challenged"
Date: 24 Feb 1998 17:43:09 -0500

At 11:10 AM 2/24/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>Oh my, I do SO love it when he's bad. <sigh>

And when he's good, too, but we see the bad side so much more rarely. 

Maybe he should keep "Fang" as a pet!

>Of course there were more than a few noteworthy quotes, but I was too busy
>drooling to write them down.  I'll do that later.

There were SO many.  It may require a transcript. 

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: "Sanity Challenged"
Date: 24 Feb 1998 14:48:37 -0800

At 05:43 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>
>And when he's good, too, but we see the bad side so much more rarely. 

The bad punctuates the good.  And boy did he do a job of it yesterday. <sigh>

>Maybe he should keep "Fang" as a pet!

<snicker>  Kevin needs another enemy so he can offer him another
all-you-can-eat buffet.

>>Of course there were more than a few noteworthy quotes, but I was too busy
>>drooling to write them down.  I'll do that later.
>
>There were SO many.  

Just about every single word of his exchange with Rex!

>It may require a transcript. 

Easily.

Taiyin
"It's a mint.  Want one?  Just kidding!" -- Kevin 

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 24 Feb 1998 18:08:11 -0500

Talking about Tuesday's PC:

C
R
Y

M
E

A

R
I
V
E
R

F
O
R

K
&
L

There was a lot of great stuff today and I just had to gush about it!

FIRST KIND OF GREAT STUFF - LUCAS LORENZO SPENCER DOES PORT CHARLES
It was great!  First off, it's great to have Luke around to talk straight
to people.  He verbally smacked Scott around a little bit for the fact that
Lucy is dying because she took part in a plan of Scott's.  Not 100%
accurate, since it was actually Lucy's plan, but I still liked it.  Then
again, Luke himself almost got Lucy killed a few years ago.....

Luke also shot a hole in a troublesome plot point; interesting that the
writers did this.  Several people on RATSA have mentioned on how silly it
is that Lucy's fate seems to be primarily in the hands of the interns, who
have no special training in toxicology.  Luke addressed this, when Scott
told him the interns were involved:  "The interns - boy, you're sparing no
expense!"

And the Luke/Lucy scene itself was wonderful.  Luke flirted madly with her,
reminisced about old times, and so on; the surprise was how tender and
poignant it was.  Luke is so rough around the edges that sometimes,
especially when Laura hasn't been around for a while, I forget that he has
a soft side.

SECOND KIND OF GREAT STUFF - LUCY WISES UP AT LAST
There is actually some hope that Lucy has learned some of those lessons
that were the subject of the recent fanfic Taiyin posted here.  For the
second time in two episodes, Lucy showed great remorse for having hurt
Kevin by making the choices she did.  She mentioned it to Luke, and she
again mentioned it to Kevin.  After her past exploits, as we've discussed,
there's been no indication that she realized that her actions had done him
any harm.

THIRD KIND OF GREAT STUFF - THE LAST SCENE
Am I the only one who's worried about making it through PC this week
without being reduced to a whimpering lump on the sofa, surrounded by
Kleenex?  It has begun.  In the last scene today, when Kevin got on the bed
with Lucy to hold her and she asked him to forgive her for leaving him, it
was SO hard to watch Kevin's heart breaking.  I knew the writers were
shamelessly manipulating me, but it didn't matter.

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 24 Feb 1998 15:19:30 -0800

<snip stuff about today's ep -- about which I will SURELY have a LOT to say
later>

<whimper>

Oh man.  I have been DYING to see this stuff, and I have class tonight and
won't be able to see it until REALLY late.  <sob>

It's driving me nuts.

OTOH, Rika, you are absolutely right:  I have what would normally be
considered a one year supply of Kleenex on hand for this week alone.

And Luke's tender side is EXACTLY why I miss their friendship -- probably
more than I could ever miss Mac and Kevin.  Luke gets into such a rut at
times that it takes someone like Lucy, or Sonny, or Laura, or his kids
before he goes back to being really likeable.

Besides, with the exception of Jon, I don't think ANYBODY plays off Lynn
(comedically speaking) as well as Tony.  Not even Kin (who used to do
pretty good, even though we really haven't seen any of that since he's been
back).

And a major WOO HOO to Luke for sticking it to Scott. <happy dance>

And I think that the interesting part, like you pointed out, Rika, is that
while Luke DID endanger Lucy's life before, it was never in a way that Luke
couldn't correct himself. (If that makes sense.)  From the moment Kevin
showed up at the club ready to tear Luke's head off because Lucy'd been
kidnapped, there was NEVER even the slightest bit of doubt (on Luke's part)
that they would be able to find Lucy and get her away from Scully before it
was too late.  Even though she was in trouble, his sometimes annoying
over-confidence was justified because that kind of stuff is Luke's forte.
He *knows* how to handle those types of situations.  Scully wasn't stupid,
but he wasn't a psycho, either.

I think probably, from Luke's POV, this whole thing got out of hand because
Scott was just a bonehead.  And even though you're right, Rika, it *was*
Lucy's idea, she wouldn't have done it if Scott hadn't egged her on.  

From the very beginning of the Scully stuff Luke had it set up so that *he
and Sonny* were in the background to protect Lucy.  I think he probably
thinks Scott seriously dropped the ball on that score.  Not only didn't he
protect her, but he encouraged her to get into a situation where NO ONE
could protect her.

All just speculation and random blatherings, though.  I'm sure I'll have a
better idea once I actually see the ep.  Late, late, late tonight. <sigh>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 24 Feb 1998 20:59:00 -0500

At 03:19 PM 2/24/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:

>Oh man.  I have been DYING to see this stuff, and I have class tonight and
>won't be able to see it until REALLY late.  <sob>

I was almost sure that would be the case; you always have something to do
on good Kevin days!

>OTOH, Rika, you are absolutely right:  I have what would normally be
>considered a one year supply of Kleenex on hand for this week alone.

I just made the mistake of going upstairs and watching today's show again,
as my tear-stained face would attest if you could see it right now.

>Besides, with the exception of Jon, I don't think ANYBODY plays off Lynn
>(comedically speaking) as well as Tony.

No, you're right.  I don't think they would ever work as a romantic duo,
because they'd bounce off the walls and drive each other (and the viewers,
I think) nuts if they were together constantly.  That's why Luke needs
Laura, and why Lucy needs Kevin.  But their scenes have a wonderful,
energetic craziness  that can add a lot of color to an episode.  Today's
was different, of course, because Lucy's energy level wasn't up to a
typical scene between them.

  Not even Kin (who used to do
>pretty good, even though we really haven't seen any of that since he's been
>back).

Right.  He's been embroiled in suuuuuuch a serious storyline the whole time
that there's been no chance for Kin to do what he does best.
Unfortunately, the result is that we've been watching Scott at his worst
for months, and I think that's why I dislike him most of the time.  He only
seems to show any spark with Eve.  I hope they give him some lighter stuff
to do soon.

>From the very beginning of the Scully stuff Luke had it set up so that *he
>and Sonny* were in the background to protect Lucy.  I think he probably
>thinks Scott seriously dropped the ball on that score.  Not only didn't he
>protect her, but he encouraged her to get into a situation where NO ONE
>could protect her.

I agree, despite what I said about Luke that prompted your remarks.  While
the Scully sting operation was going on, I was totally annoyed with Luke,
but that was mainly because his plan was based on some extremely dumb
assumptions (like that they would all get away clean afterwards).  But when
the plan started to unravel, Luke was still keeping an eye on things, as
you said; Lucy was within about two minutes of getting out of town with
Kevin (at Luke's suggestion) when she was grabbed.  Scott, OTOH encouraged
her to walk into the lion's den alone and then (which is still the part
that makes me shake my head) was all set to blow town and LEAVE her there
to deal with the fallout.

Rika

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From: "NovaLee Murphy" <nlmurphy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 24 Feb 1998 21:17:42 PST

Rika wrote:
>
>Talking about Tuesday's PC:
>
>C
>R
>Y
>
>M
>E
>
>A
>
>R
>I
>V
>E
>R
>
>F
>O
>R
>
>K
>&
>L
> <snip>
>He verbally smacked Scott around a little bit for the fact that Lucy is 
dying because she took part in a plan of Scott's.  Not 100% >accurate, 
since it was actually Lucy's plan, but I still liked it.  >Then again, 
Luke himself almost got Lucy killed a few years ago.....

But at least Luke acknowledged as much when he said "She deserves a 
better friend than you *or* me". 

>Luke also shot a hole in a troublesome plot point; interesting that 
>the writers did this.  Several people on RATSA have mentioned on how 
>silly it is that Lucy's fate seems to be primarily in the hands of >the 
interns, who have no special training in toxicology.  Luke >addressed 
this, when Scott told him the interns were involved:  "The >interns - 
boy, you're sparing no expense!"

I was glad that Scott mentioned that *someone* other than the interns 
was on the case though, when he said that a "top toxicology expert" and 
the poison centre were also working on it. It was kind of a stretch to 
imagine that Kevin, who surely must have lots of connections, wouldn't 
insist that someone else be brought in sooner. I was also pleased that 
they finally remembered Rex's previous interest in herbal potions but 
surprised that it was Scott and not Lucy that clued in.  


>And the Luke/Lucy scene itself was wonderful.  Luke flirted madly >with 
her, reminisced about old times, and so on; the surprise was how >tender 
and poignant it was.  Luke is so rough around the edges that 
>sometimes,especially when Laura hasn't been around for a while, I 
>forget that he has a soft side.

It was incredibly touching. And I loved the Puerto Rico/ MDP flashbacks. 
I know that crossovers between the shows are hard to work out 
logistically, but I really hope that we don't have to wait so long for 
the next Luke/Lucy scene. And speaking of crossovers, I'm going to 
assume that her condition is not common knowledge around PC and *that* 
is why no one else has come to visit a dying Lucy (Mac, Felicia, Robin, 
Brenda etc.). Oh well. If we could only be granted one crossover I'm 
glad *this* one was it.     


>SECOND KIND OF GREAT STUFF - LUCY WISES UP AT LAST
>--------------------------------------------------
>There is actually some hope that Lucy has learned some of those 
>lessons that were the subject of the recent fanfic Taiyin posted >here.  
For the second time in two episodes, Lucy showed great remorse >for 
having hurt Kevin by making the choices she did.

I hope that some of these realizations actually *stick* after this 
crisis is over. 

>THIRD KIND OF GREAT STUFF - THE LAST SCENE
>------------------------------------------
>Am I the only one who's worried about making it through PC this week
>without being reduced to a whimpering lump on the sofa, surrounded by
>Kleenex? 

Definitely not <g>. The promo alone practically had me in tears so I 
knew it would be an emotional week. And here it is only Tuesday...


NovaLee


"I'll stop the world and melt with you
You've seen the difference and it's getting better all the time
There's nothing you and I won't do
I'll stop the world and melt with you" (Modern English, 1982)






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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 09:07:14 -0500

At 09:17 PM 2/24/98 PST, NovaLee wrote:
>Rika wrote:

>>He verbally smacked Scott around a little bit for the fact that Lucy is 
>dying because she took part in a plan of Scott's.  Not 100% >accurate, 
>since it was actually Lucy's plan, but I still liked it.  >Then again, 
>Luke himself almost got Lucy killed a few years ago.....
>
>But at least Luke acknowledged as much when he said "She deserves a 
>better friend than you *or* me". 

I had forgotten about that, because I recalled that as aimed mostly at
Scott.  But you're right - Luke aimed that barb at himself too.  

>I was glad that Scott mentioned that *someone* other than the interns 
>was on the case though, when he said that a "top toxicology expert" and 
>the poison centre were also working on it. It was kind of a stretch to 
>imagine that Kevin, who surely must have lots of connections, wouldn't 
>insist that someone else be brought in sooner.

Amen.  Even yesterday, Scott said the top toxicology expert was "coming in"
or something like that, suggesting that the person hasn't arrived yet.  If
this top toxicologist had arrived a while back and were *running* the lab
right now, with the interns as little worker bees, that would seem more
realistic.  But at least they've talked about the involvement of the poison
center all along.

 I was also pleased that 
>they finally remembered Rex's previous interest in herbal potions but 
>surprised that it was Scott and not Lucy that clued in.  

True.  Who knows - if Lucy still had some of the original capsules Rex gave
her, we might have found that they contained the same poison.  But I
suppose at this point, Lucy is way too sick and scared to think clearly.  I
doubt Kevin can put his intellect to work on the problem anymore either,
because he's too frightened both for himself *and* for Lucy.  That look in
his eyes yesterday when he begged Lucy to hold on has haunted me ever
since.  He's envisioning a world without Lucy, and he is terrified and
devastated by what he sees.

That got me thinking.  We all know Lucy isn't going to die.  But what if
she did?   What would happen to Kevin?  My feeling is that, despite what
Lucy said to Scott about Kevin being stronger than anyone realized, losing
Lucy is the one thing he wouldn't be able to handle.  I could easily
imagine him snapping at some point not long after her death and
methodically murdering Rex the first chance he got.  And it wouldn't be
that hard to imagine him following that act by taking his own life.  I was
surprised in a way that I didn't believe Kevin has a tighter hold than that
on his sanity, but he's placed so much stock in having Lucy in his life
that I think all bets would be off if someone ripped Lucy away from him in
such a terrible way. 

>And speaking of crossovers, I'm going to 
>assume that her condition is not common knowledge around PC and *that* 
>is why no one else has come to visit a dying Lucy (Mac, Felicia, Robin, 
>Brenda etc.). Oh well. If we could only be granted one crossover I'm 
>glad *this* one was it.     

I'm willing to accept that Felicia, Robin, etc., have visited off-camera.
The one that troubles me is Mac not being there for Kevin, and that (unless
I missed it) he and Felicia haven't even MENTIONED it to each other over on
GH.

>>SECOND KIND OF GREAT STUFF - LUCY WISES UP AT LAST
>>--------------------------------------------------

>I hope that some of these realizations actually *stick* after this 
>crisis is over. 

I know what you mean.  Once she yet again lives to tell the tale, all bets
could be off.  But this is pretty extreme.  We'll see.

>"I'll stop the world and melt with you
>You've seen the difference and it's getting better all the time
>There's nothing you and I won't do
>I'll stop the world and melt with you" (Modern English, 1982)

Is THAT where that line came from?  THANK YOU!

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 07:31:38 PST

rika wrote:

>Amen.  Even yesterday, Scott said the top toxicology expert was
>"coming in" or something like that, suggesting that the person hasn't
>arrived yet.  If this top toxicologist had arrived a while back and
>were *running* the lab right now, with the interns as little worker
>bees, that would seem more realistic.  But at least they've talked
>about the involvement of the poison center all along.

agreed.  but i was SO glad for that line of luke's about scotty "sparing 
no expense".  it was about time SOMEBODY acknowledged how ludicrous this 
whole situation seems to the eyes of the rest of us!  (i was majorly 
impressed that the writers would point out such a shortcoming...)

>But I suppose at this point, Lucy is way too sick and scared to think
>clearly.  I doubt Kevin can put his intellect to work on the problem
>anymore either, because he's too frightened both for himself *and* 
>for Lucy.

quite right, i'm sure.  keeping in mind that lucy was COMPLETELY caught 
off-guard by this whole poisoning thing, i'm not sure *i* would have 
been able to remember rex's pills in that situation!  (in fact, i 
hadn't, until scotty did!)  and, i'm sure i'm in the minority here, but 
i'm really glad to see scotty finally come up with something HELPFUL 
here.  because i really think, despite the fact that he was all ready to 
leave town and abandon lucy to the wolves, that he would be SHATTERED if 
she were to die because of all this.  i don't think he was thinking 
clearly, at ALL, when he considered taking off with serena--he wasn't 
thinking about anything beyond reuniting with his daughter and whisking 
her away to someplace safe.  but now that he HAS to acknowledge the fact 
that lucy's in serious danger here...it's nice to see him not screw 
something up, for once.
  
>That look in his eyes yesterday when he begged Lucy to hold on has 
>haunted me ever since.  He's envisioning a world without Lucy, and he
>is terrified and devastated by what he sees.

oh GOD yes...that was incredible.  i can't imagine how much worse this 
week is going to get, based on the previews, before it gets better... 
but at least we know we're suffering this emotional manipulation at the 
hands of some TRULY worthy actors!  it makes me feel not quite so bad 
about crying over a soap as it would have if, for example, i were crying 
over danielle, or sarah on gh.  although i think the bit with serena 
from the preview may be a bit of a low blow...but we'll see.

>That got me thinking.  We all know Lucy isn't going to die.  But what
>if she did?   What would happen to Kevin? 

i think you're absolutely right in your scenario.  there's no way  he'd 
be able to stop himself from tearing rex to pieces, quite literally, but 
then afterwards i don't think he'd be able to handle the fact that he 
had been capable of such a ryan-like act, and would ultimately destroy 
himself as well.

>I'm willing to accept that Felicia, Robin, etc., have visited
>off-camera.  The one that troubles me is Mac not being there for
>Kevin, and that (unless I missed it) he and Felicia haven't even 
>MENTIONED it to each other over on GH.

no, you didn't miss it--they've been too tied up in this tess/james 
thing to talk about anything else.  i GUESS i'd be willing to give the 
off-camera visit thing the benefit of the doubt, if there had been some 
MENTION of it by lucy or kevin or scott or SOMEBODY...but when nobody on 
either show mentions the other, it's far too easy to forget that these 
people are all supposed to be in the same town.  i think they still need 
some work on that department--even if they can't do as many crossovers 
as i'd like, completely IGNORING the characters on the other show isn't 
exactly realistic.  i realize there's a problem with talking about pc on 
gh, since so many gh viewers either don't get or don't watch pc...but 
there shouldn't be a problem talking about gh on pc, i don't think.

>>"I'll stop the world and melt with you
>>You've seen the difference and it's getting better all the time
>>There's nothing you and I won't do
>>I'll stop the world and melt with you" (Modern English, 1982)
>
>Is THAT where that line came from?  THANK YOU!

sure is...and that line, at least for me, provided some MUCH-needed 
comic relief yesterday!  i couldn't HELP laughing at kevin quoting that!  
it's like some of leonardo dicaprio's lines in "titanic"--in the midst 
of such extreme sobbing (i get over-emotional VERY easily!) one little 
laugh can make all the difference in the world!

julie

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 08:22:54 -0800

I wrote:

>>Oh man.  I have been DYING to see this stuff, and I have class tonight and
>>won't be able to see it until REALLY late.  <sob>

And Rika commented:

>I was almost sure that would be the case; you always have something to do
>on good Kevin days!

<whimper> No kidding.

At the Museum of TV and Radio Guza said that he likes making Tuesday's good
episodes, because "nobody ever watches Tuesdays" and he wanted to make it
so you COULDN'T miss a Tuesday.  Well, though I think Guza failed miserably
in that department yesterday, I think Lynn Latham must've taken her cue
from him, cuz she NAILED it.

Those were probably the best performances since the miscarriage.

>Laura, and why Lucy needs Kevin.  But their scenes have a wonderful,
>energetic craziness  that can add a lot of color to an episode.  Today's
>was different, of course, because Lucy's energy level wasn't up to a
>typical scene between them.

And it was especially sweet to see Luke try to make Lucy laugh.  And I was
DELIGHTED that they actually did flashbacks to both Puerto Rico and the
Scully stuff.  And Kevin's comment about Lucy's promises to be good when
Luke is around always leading to "kidnapping and bullets" was really cute,
too.

And I think that scene really shows what I love about the dynamic between
all THREE of them.  Luke and Lucy can flirt like CRAZY, and yet, since
everybody KNOWS that Luke is not going to leave Laura and that Lucy not
going to leave Kevin, there is never any insecurity in Kevin, because he
knows that's just the way they both are.  (And though Kevin *can* be a
hopeless flirt, he's really only that way with Lucy.)  So Kevin can play
the "straight man" with a good natured grin and Luke and Lucy can try to
out-flirt each other, and the audience gets a great show, watching three
excellent actors play off their collective chemistry.

>  Not even Kin (who used to do
>>pretty good, even though we really haven't seen any of that since he's been
>>back).
>
>Right.  He's been embroiled in suuuuuuch a serious storyline the whole time
>that there's been no chance for Kin to do what he does best.

I agree.  It bothers me that, lately, I can't STAND Scott.  I used to LOVE
him, and yet the way they wrote him back into town was dispicable (blaming
K&L for kidnapping Serena <grrrrrrrrr>) and they haven't really improved
things at all since.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 08:32:07 -0800

At 09:17 PM 2/24/98 PST, NovaLee Murphy wrote:
>
>But at least Luke acknowledged as much when he said "She deserves a 
>better friend than you *or* me". 

I LOVED that, because it recognizes probably the coolest thing about Lucy:
no matter how self-centered she can be, or no matter how annoying or
inconsiderate, if she TRULY considers someone a friend, there is NOTHING
she won't do for them.  At times it sucks for Kevin (and makes him nuts),
but she's done it for him, too, so he knows how much of a help it can be.

>imagine that Kevin, who surely must have lots of connections, wouldn't 
>insist that someone else be brought in sooner. I was also pleased that 
>they finally remembered Rex's previous interest in herbal potions but 
>surprised that it was Scott and not Lucy that clued in.  

Well, like Julie pointed out, maybe that's a sign that they are on their
way to working on reinstalling some of Scott's missing brain cells.  OTOH,
it does make him the "hero" of this little escapade, and I have a little
trouble with that, but I suppose beggers can't be choosers.  I've been
aching for some good K&L stuff for MONTHS and we finally get it, so I'm not
going to quibble.

>Brenda etc.). Oh well. If we could only be granted one crossover I'm 
>glad *this* one was it.     

So am I.  It is a little surprising, though, that Tony would be the one to
go over to PC instead of John or Kristina (though I prefer Luke and Lucy to
any of the other possible combinations).  I guess it's probably just a
matter of which actor actually has the most free time at the moment.

>I hope that some of these realizations actually *stick* after this 
>crisis is over. 

Agreed.  I think the frustration with Lucy is that every single time
something new comes up she can find a way to justify why it's "completely
different!  Not the same thing at all!" to last time.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: K&L: Scoops for next week
Date: 25 Feb 1998 17:54:44 -0600

WOW!!  If all this is true then next week is gonna be OUTSTANDING!!! The
were posted to the PC Message board apparently they came from the ABC
message board.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
.Monday 3/02
     Lucy wakes up. Matt fills in Grace in on his past
     Tuesday 3/03
     Ellen rejects romantic overtures.
     Thursday 3/05
     Kevin and Lucy make love.
     Friday 3/06
     Thanks to Chris, Matt's enemies know where to find him.


     - Lucy recovers and makes plans for a future with Kevin.
     - Matt tells Grace the truth about his past.
     - Chris puts Matt's life in danger.
     - Matt receives a threatening e-mail message from Chris
     - Lucy announces that she wants to marry Kevin.
     - Grace continues to fight for Matt's attention as he makes a move
     on Ellen
     - Lucy has a happy reunion with Sigmund.
     - Scott and Eve go on a date.
     - Ellen isn't paying much attention to Matt now that he's decided
     to stay
     - The feds question the interns about Matt, the group later makes
     a discovery that leads them to believe Matt was involved in a
crime.

     - Chris throws Matt to the wolves.
     - After Chris sends Matt a series of messages to get out of town,
     He sends him a pic of Vincent and Bobby Mancusi.
     - Matt's past makes plans to become part of his present.
     - Lark tries to come between Scott and Eve.
     - Lucy gets pleasure from confronting Rex, but later learns that
     he's gotten the upper hand
     - Ellen warns Matt to keep his temper in check after he has a
     heated argument with Chris
     - After getting and emotional boost from visiting Rex in jail
     to give him a piece of her mind Lucy learns that Rex has one
     last and very costly trick up his sleeve.

--
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From: AVID Woman <st5uf@Bayou.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 18:22:01 -0600 (CST)

I'm going to be commenting on Today's along with Tuesday, hence the
spoiler space.

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Rika wrote:
> his eyes yesterday when he begged Lucy to hold on has haunted me ever
> since.  He's envisioning a world without Lucy, and he is terrified and
> devastated by what he sees.

If you're haunted by that then you're going to be doubly so by today's
episode. When Alan suggests Kevin discuss the living will with Lucy he
just gets this look on his face that says 'I can't believe you even think
that'. 
 Flash back theater is used well today with bits from the Toe in teh Hole
bit from when Kevin was in the hopsital, Lucy massaging Kevin from Failed
lovemaking attempt #1 and Lucy's mock turning down of Kevin's first
marraige proposal along with another flashback of Jasmine island. The
writers are finally learning when to use them and when not to and in this
case the selections and placement worked well. It gives PC only viewers a
quick primer on how deep the K/L relationship is while the GH/PC viewers
get avery nice reminder of why we love this couple so much.
 And the end after she signs the paper with him practically sobbing on her
chest is where I finally lost it. Just the utter look of desolation on
this man's face, a man who's willing to spend the rest of his life caring
for just the shell of the woman he loves, is just amazing. Can we say Emmy
reel?

> easily imagine him snapping at some point not long after her death and
> methodically murdering Rex the first chance he got.  And it wouldn't be
> that hard to imagine him following that act by taking his own life.  I
> was surprised in a way that I didn't believe Kevin has a tighter hold
> than that on his sanity, but he's placed so much stock in having Lucy in
> his life that I think all bets would be off if someone ripped Lucy away
> from him in such a terrible way.

While I wanted someone to smack Boardman for the 'losing it again' comment
he made about Kevin, I think he's kind of hit the nail on the head. You
can see that as Lucy gets closer to death Kevin's getting closer and
closer to the edge. He commented on Monday that he doesn't give a damn
about lawyers and I'm sure if Lucy was dead he'd care about them even
less. It's easy to imagine the tenous hold Kevin has on his sanity since
he states time and time again that the only reason he's sane right now is
because of Lucy. She's the last and maybe only real lifeline he has
between being sane and sanity challenged. Add death due to a equally
psychotic Rex and you have the makings of a man who could snap at a
moment's notice.

As for the crossovers how could Lucy's death not make the rounds on GH. I
mean Amy should be full of gossip on how she got poisoned and such. I
can't believe that between the labs running 24/7 and Kevin at PCPD
mentally torturing Rex no one other than Luke and Alan would even at least
remotely mention it. I'm not expecting full course crossover bed vigils,
I'd just be happy with at least a passing reference to it by someone.
Especially from Mac, Robin, and Felicia. It's ludicrious that Kevin's
there for them at the worst moments of their lives and they can't even be
bothered to even make a passing reference to this.

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Scoops for next week
Date: 25 Feb 1998 16:35:42 -0800

At 05:54 PM 2/25/98 -0600, Debi Sanders wrote:

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You Know You Are Too Much of a K&L Junkie When...

>     Thursday 3/05
>     Kevin and Lucy make love.

is about the ONLY birthday present I actually wanted.

Thank you, Lynn Latham!

Giads, I need a life.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
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From: "Jessica Thompson" <jlt@usc.edu>
Subject: K&L: Kevin and his license
Date: 25 Feb 1998 13:17:39 -0800

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makes absolutely no since.  Oh well, nothing can bother me too much =
right now with the amazing and beautiful material and performances that =
we are getting on a daily basis!  And from the spoilers for next week it =
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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 26 Feb 1998 08:09:37 PST

nicole wrote:

>If you're haunted by that then you're going to be doubly so by 
>today's episode. When Alan suggests Kevin discuss the living will 
>with Lucy he just gets this look on his face that says 'I can't 
>believe you even think that'. 

ok, quick poll.  how many people out there, no matter how much they may 
agree with lucy's view in theory (as i certainly do--who wants to face 
the prospect of spending years as a shell of their former self?) think 
that IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE lucy was being a tad short-sighted.  i 
don't get it!  i really do understand her logic--and if she were dying 
of cancer, or aids, or some pseudo-natural terminal disease, i would be 
wholeheartedly behind her wishes.  but in this particular 
scenario--where she's been most UNnaturally poisoned, and where the 
little bit of extra time that life support could provide could quite 
literally save her life--i don't think i could have made the decision 
she did.  does she just not have any faith in the antidote anymore, 
after the last fiasco, or what?  i know, it makes for far better drama 
this way, but...anyone have any thoughts on this one?

also...anybody watch the grammy awards last night?  was i the only one 
who, during leanne rimes's performance of "how do i live" kept seeing a 
montage of kevin and lucy flashbacks in my head?  i think i need serious 
help!  :)

julie

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 26 Feb 1998 08:51:16 -0800

At 08:09 AM 2/26/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>don't get it!  i really do understand her logic--and if she were dying 
>of cancer, or aids, or some pseudo-natural terminal disease, i would be 
>wholeheartedly behind her wishes.  but in this particular 
>scenario--where she's been most UNnaturally poisoned, and where the 

Well, I think it's sort of a matter of a premptive strike.  I think it was
less about giving herself the advantage of a little bit more time than it
was her fear that Kevin might very well not be able to order the removal of
life support later.

I think he proved her fears a bit justified when he said that if that was
the only way he could have her, then that would be enough.  I think the
idea of him lingering over her indefinitely scares the hell out of her.
And I think she really believes that, if she were to consent to life
support, and then too much time passed for the antidote to work, that even
after it was no longer possible to help her, that Kevin STILL would keep
her on whatever machines necessary.

>also...anybody watch the grammy awards last night?  was i the only one 
>who, during leanne rimes's performance of "how do i live" kept seeing a 
>montage of kevin and lucy flashbacks in my head?  i think i need serious 
>help!  :)

I didn't see it, but now I've got a craving to hear the song just to pay
enough attention to see how many I can ocme up with.

You could always write a song challenge and give us some sappy K&L fic,
Julie. <g>

And, BTW, I *loved* Alan and Lucy yesterday.

I think that is one of the things that I like best about K&L being on PC
instead of GH (other than the fact that we NEVER go two weeks without
seeing them anymore):  all of the people that would go through waves of
being nice or not being nice to Lucy, are in this almost permanent "nice
mode" now that they rarely see her.  I think Katherine is about the only
exception (which makes sense and which I wouldn't want to change).

I know it's also because she's sick at the moment, but just in general,
since they moved to PC, Bobbie, Felicia, Luke, Tony and Alan have all been
really great to her.  And NONE of them were always that great to her before
they moved to PC -- Luke was probably the best, but she still irritated the
hell out of him at times.

Of course, even though they decided to leave Lucy and Felicia's
relationship intact, they felt the need to completely undo all the progress
Felicia and Kevin made during the whole Nunsense escapade. <sigh>  Another
gripe for another time, though.

Taiyin, bored and rambling...
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: K&L: Re:  Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 26 Feb 1998 11:47:04 PST

taiyin wrote:

>I think the idea of him lingering over her indefinitely scares the 
>hell out of her.  And I think she really believes that, if she were
>to consent to life support, and then too much time passed for the 
>antidote to work, that even after it was no longer possible to help
>her, that Kevin STILL would keep her on whatever machines necessary.

okay, that makes sense i guess.  and she's probably more than right in 
that assumption.  but STILL--if i knew my affliction were curable, and 
that it were just a matter of holding on long enough to wait for the 
cure...there would be NO dnr order for me!  but then again, i'm not 
lucy...much to my dismay!  :)

>I didn't see it, but now I've got a craving to hear the song just to
>pay enough attention to see how many I can ocme up with.

oh, it was just PERFECT for the scenes we've been having, and those to 
come in the previews.  it was the most effortless fit i've ever seen--it 
was just the FIRST thing that popped into my head as soon as leanne 
rimes started singing!  (of course, that COULD have something to do with 
the fact that i had just finished watching pc and gh before the grammys 
came on...)

>You could always write a song challenge and give us some sappy K&L
>fic, Julie. <g>

i would, in a heartbeat--except i'm in a really bi...ummm, Witchy mood 
today, and it just wouldn't work.  but feel free to go ahead yourself!
 
>Taiyin, bored and rambling...

all the more reason...go ahead, get writing!

julie



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From: Debi Sanders <debsan1@airmail.net>
Subject: K&L: Have a heart
Date: 26 Feb 1998 17:38:53 -0600

Have a heart somebody and describe the previews you guys have been
alluding too. Since PC comes on at 1:00 AM here and GH at 2:00 PM the
local station has apparently decided not to run previews of PC during
GH.......bummer......how about a quick update
Pleezeeeeeee

Debi

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From: AVID Woman <st5uf@Bayou.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 26 Feb 1998 19:44:26 -0600 (CST)


Gonna placea few spoilers as I'll be mentioning today's ep.

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Taiyin wrote:
> Well, I think it's sort of a matter of a premptive strike.  I think it was
> less about giving herself the advantage of a little bit more time than it
> was her fear that Kevin might very well not be able to order the removal of
> life support later.

Or be able to put her on them at all. The millisecond she flatlined he
tossed his promise to her out the window and practically hooked her up to
the machines himself. Granted it helped to have Scott in the room who had
no problem bullying his poor intern kid to possibly throw her career out
the window right next to Kevin's promise to let Lucy go.

> And I think she really believes that, if she were to consent to life
> support, and then too much time passed for the antidote to work, that even
> after it was no longer possible to help her, that Kevin STILL would keep
> her on whatever machines necessary.

And that's the situation she's in right now. There's no way in hell Kevin
is going to let them take her off life support. Either the rest of the
hospital staff hates Boardman or he's a complete nimrod for being the
first to walk in there and tell Kevin the hospital has to take her off
life support. I could see them all out there wondering who to sacrafice to
Kevin's rage and the minute Boardman walks they all nod and run while Alan
explains he's got to talk to Alexis. Granted at this point I don't think
Audrey using Robin, Serena and Baby Boy Michael as shields would keep
Kevin from ripping from limb to limb the poor person who has to go in an
try to shut the machines off.

On a side note, shouldn't Gail be there for Kevin as his therapist. I mean
he's on the edge right now with the whole intubation episode. Wouldn't it
dawn on someone in the hospital that she should be close by.

-Nicole
"You even breathe on one of those machines and I will rip you apart" 
			-Kevin to Dr. Boardman, 2/26/98


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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Have a heart
Date: 26 Feb 1998 19:07:12 -0800 (PST)

Debi wrote:

>Have a heart somebody and describe the previews you guys
have been
>alluding too. 

I haven't seen any previews for next week, but the one for
this week goes something like this:
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Alan tells Kevin that Lucy's condition is deteriorating;
the interns have just told Lucy about the possible cure and
she asks what her chances are; Kevin tells a sleeping Lucy
that Alan has suggested letting her go, and that would be
like asking him to stop breathing; Serena visits
unconscious Lucy; Scott tells Eve that Lucy is his best
friend and he loves her, and Eve tells him that he should
tell Lucy that.

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 27 Feb 1998 09:17:05 -0800

At 07:44 PM 2/26/98 -0600, AVID Woman wrote:
>
>Or be able to put her on them at all. The millisecond she flatlined he
>tossed his promise to her out the window and practically hooked her up to
>the machines himself. Granted it helped to have Scott in the room who had
>no problem bullying his poor intern kid to possibly throw her career out
>the window right next to Kevin's promise to let Lucy go.

Agreed.  And despite the fact that, on principle I think that is one of the
most vile things one human being can do to another (I had a HUGE fight with
someone over this EXACT issue earlier this year in Forever Knight fandom),
I think that between their history and Kevin's (fairly legitimate) doubts
about his ability to maintain his own sanity without Lucy, made his actions
not as out of character as I originally thought them to be.  

Plus, I do think that Lucy's orders were very out of character, AND that,
at least for now, her condition is (theoretically) reversable.  They just
need some time.

And watching him in her room yesterday was the first time he's actually
LOOKED like a doctor in so longer than I can even remember.

I cried harder during their good-bye scene than I have cried at anything
since the miscarriage, maybe even BJ's death.

>And that's the situation she's in right now. There's no way in hell Kevin
>is going to let them take her off life support. 

Well, at least he feels guilty about it.  And Scott's comment about doing
the same thing was small consolation.

>I could see them all out there wondering who to sacrafice to
>Kevin's rage and the minute Boardman walks they all nod and run while Alan
>explains he's got to talk to Alexis. 

LOL!!  The sacrificial surgeon.

>On a side note, shouldn't Gail be there for Kevin as his therapist. I mean
>he's on the edge right now with the whole intubation episode. Wouldn't it
>dawn on someone in the hospital that she should be close by.

There are a lot of people who aren't around who should be. <sigh>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
<taiyin@taiyin.net> http://www.taiyin.net/

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From: "Julie Saker" <jesaker@hotmail.com>
Subject: K&L: here we go again...
Date: 27 Feb 1998 09:43:35 PST

at least it was a new reason this time...

the nyc area once AGAIN missed part of pc--the first six or seven 
minutes of yesterday's (thursday) due to the conclusion of the oprah 
winfrey lawsuit.  when we rejoined it "already in progress," scott was 
in with lucy, telling her he loved her, and she was telling him that he 
shouldn't blame himself because she'd do anything for serena, so it 
wasn't his fault.  then karen arrived and injected her.

now...i'm guessing based on previous episodes, that they injected her 
with an imprecise combination of some sort--the type they were saying in 
the lab the other day that was the best they could come up with under 
such time constraints, but that they didn't know, since the proportions 
were likely to be off somewhat, if it would make her better or worse?  
close enough?  and i'm assuming that this was lucy's decision?  i missed 
any sort of conversation that happened around this subject.  somebody 
want to fill me in (yet AGAIN--damn abc-ny) on anything earth-shattering 
that happened during the first six or seven minutes yesterday?  thanks a 
million!

julie

p.s.  those of you in other time zones should consider yourselves SOOOOO 
lucky!!!  :)


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From: AVID Woman <st5uf@Bayou.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: K&L: here we go again...
Date: 27 Feb 1998 14:52:15 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Julie Saker wrote:

> p.s.  those of you in other time zones should consider yourselves SOOOOO 
> lucky!!!  :)

You weren't the only one. I'm in the central time zone so I got cut as
well. When my affiliate came back it was in the middle of the conversation
Lucy was having with Kevin that ended with their kiss. So I missed all the
stuff between the opening credits and that point.

-Nicole


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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: here we go again...
Date: 27 Feb 1998 12:59:49 -0800

At 02:52 PM 2/27/98 -0600, AVID Woman wrote:
>
>You weren't the only one. I'm in the central time zone so I got cut as
>well. When my affiliate came back it was in the middle of the conversation
>Lucy was having with Kevin that ended with their kiss. So I missed all the
>stuff between the opening credits and that point.

Oh.  My.  Gods.  No, no, no, no, no.  That will NOT do.

Send my your snailmail addy privately and I will make you a copy of it this
weekend and send it out to you on Sunday, Nicole.

Those scenes were magnificent.  I was crying so hard I had to stop to tape
just so I could pull myself together enough to be able to see the TV.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the 
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I 
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin 
<taiyin@taiyin.net> http://www.taiyin.net/

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: K&L: Good-byes
Date: 27 Feb 1998 14:18:37 -0800

Well, I was waiting for someone else to comment on yesterday first, but
since it appears as though several of you probably didn't get to even SEE
yesterday's ep, I guess I'll go...

Wah!

I think this was the first time EVER that there has been an excellent Kevin
and Lucy scene that I have NOT been able to watch a second time.  Usually
I'll rewatch it two or three times in quick succession so I can catch as
many details as possible, but this onw was just so painful I couldn't do it.

And when Lucy made him promise not to "go to that dark place" and to let
the people who loved them h*lp him through this, I completely lost it.

I was even crying during Scott and Lucy's farewells.  Though my sister kept
telling me to shut up because everytime Scott started blaming himself I
kept agreeing with him. <grump>

But when Kevin and Lucy were talking... oh gods, I lost it.  I had to stop
the tape just so I could stop crying long enough to be able to see the rest
of the scene.

And even though, like I said earlier, I have a big problem with Kevin going
against Lucy's wishes, I am glad to that he recognizes that he is "wrong"
and that he is being selfish.  Obviously, (from a technical POV) since they
aren't getting rid of Lynn or Lucy, that's about the only thing they could
have had him do, but if he hadn't recognized that he was being unfair in
going against Lucy's express wishes I would have been really upset.  

I have a little less of a problem with him doing it than I'd have with him
trying to justify it.

But then again, I do SO love it when he gets all dark and menacing.
Boardman better watch out.

Taiyin, who heard the song Julie mentioned on the radio on the way to work
this morning and is now itching for an editing machine so I can make a
video of it... <sigh>

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Good-byes
Date: 27 Feb 1998 20:56:34 -0500

At 02:18 PM 2/27/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>Well, I was waiting for someone else to comment on yesterday first, but
>since it appears as though several of you probably didn't get to even SEE
>yesterday's ep, I guess I'll go...

I'm so glad you did!  I've been in HUGE K/L listserv withdrawal for the
past two days.  Wednesday night I was studying for a midterm on Thursday
morning (don't ask), and when I got home at noon Thursday, all prepared to
catch up, I found that our phones were out.  They finally came back some
time today.  Of all times for that to happen!  I've been here sobbing all
alone without anyone else who understands....

>Wah!

And then some.

>I think this was the first time EVER that there has been an excellent Kevin
>and Lucy scene that I have NOT been able to watch a second time.  Usually
>I'll rewatch it two or three times in quick succession so I can catch as
>many details as possible, but this onw was just so painful I couldn't do it.

I had to write the update for RATSA of that episode!  Even on the fourth or
fifth viewing it is still exquisitely painful to watch.

>And when Lucy made him promise not to "go to that dark place" and to let
>the people who loved them h*lp him through this, I completely lost it.

There were so, SO many things that got to me, but that was probably the
saddest moment.  But then there were the two desperate embraces, and the
way Kevin mouthed, "I love you" as Karen injected the antidote.  Oh - and
also, how about the moment when Kevin went out in the hall to summon the
others in order to go ahead and give her the antidote.  He paused before
opening the door, turned back and looked at Lucy, and she said, "Ta."  That
moment was just SO Lucy......

>I was even crying during Scott and Lucy's farewells.  Though my sister kept
>telling me to shut up because everytime Scott started blaming himself I
>kept agreeing with him. <grump>

Ditto!  But at least he's taking responsibility.  And he's being supportive
of Kevin.  I have to say, the past few days he has partly redeemed himself
in my eyes.  And it gets even better today!

>But when Kevin and Lucy were talking... oh gods, I lost it.  I had to stop
>the tape just so I could stop crying long enough to be able to see the rest
>of the scene.

My husband keeps asking, "Why are you watching this stuff if it makes you
cry so hard?"  He just doesn't get it.

>And even though, like I said earlier, I have a big problem with Kevin going
>against Lucy's wishes, I am glad to that he recognizes that he is "wrong"
>and that he is being selfish.  Obviously, (from a technical POV) since they
>aren't getting rid of Lynn or Lucy, that's about the only thing they could
>have had him do, but if he hadn't recognized that he was being unfair in
>going against Lucy's express wishes I would have been really upset.  
>
>I have a little less of a problem with him doing it than I'd have with him
>trying to justify it.

I think it's so interesting all around.  If Kevin's sole justification were
to give the antidote a chance to work, I'd buy that.  In fact, it might
have made sense for Lucy to leave a sort of "modified DNR" that allowed
them to put her on life support for some short period of time if necessary
to give the antidote a chance to work.  Then, if she didn't revive, the
order could have required that she be disconnected.  As people have said
elsewhere (and I apologize for kind of summing up the discussion that's
been going on; I'm in catch-up mode here), it's not like Lucy not to take a
fighting chance if she's got one, and it was reasonable to imagine that the
antidote might take some time to start working, during which time she would
continue to deteriorate.

But I also agree with people who said that Lucy probably foresaw that Kevin
wouldn't be able to let her go, and that he might therefore refuse to have
her taken off the machines later on.  Which reminds me.  The other time I
think I completely lost it was when Kevin begged Lucy not to sign the DNR
for him, and she told him, "This is for you."

I love that his motives are so complicated.  On the one hand, the way he
presents it to people like Boardman (and even Scott) is that they're giving
the antidote a chance to work.  But when he's alone with Lucy he's honest
about it.  The day she signed the DNR, as somebody mentioned, it was
telling that he remarked that visiting a shell would be enough for him if
that was all he could have.  Obviously he's not thinking clearly, and I
also agreed that I was glad he recognized later that he was being selfish
in feeling that way.  But selfish or not, he can't help it - as long as
she's still lying in that bed, he doesn't have to say goodbye.  It came up
again today, but I'll save that for a spoiler-protected message.

>But then again, I do SO love it when he gets all dark and menacing.
>Boardman better watch out.

Wouldn't it be HEAVENLY if he and Boardman could become adversaries on a
regular basis?  I have an idea about that, but this message is getting long
so I'll save it.

Rika

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From: Mike and Kathi Mardis <mardis@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: PC tapes
Date: 27 Feb 1998 21:04:40 -0500

Hello All -

Just wanted to let you know, I all all of PC on tape, excepting the July 4th
episode (parade in Atlanta pre-empted).

I am willing to make copies of anything you missed.  If there are episodes
you want, send me an email (mardis@mindpring.com).

I can get tapes for 2.00 each, and priority mail (which is what I use to
mail them) costs 3.00 - I can send 2 tapes for that.  So 5.00 per 2 tapes
(unfortunetely, it's 5.00 for one tape also).

I don't do it for profit, I just love to share PC.  It amy take a while, if
you request things far apart (having to search thru the tapes takes a while).

BTW, have K&L from PC separated out - so far it's 5 tapes.  Interestingly
enough K&L for GH fit on 3 tapes for one year.  Loads more K&L on PC, than
GH, to my delight.


Anyway, just thought I would let you know.

Kathi

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 27 Feb 1998 21:18:37 -0500

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At 07:44 PM 2/26/98 -0600, Nicole wrote:

In your spoiler space, you asked, "Can he do that legally?"  I assume you
were referring to Kevin ignoring the DNR.  I asked a friend who is a P.T.
that exact question last night.  The way she explained it to me (and it may
vary from state to state), it is a civil matter which would be resolved
through lawsuits if a dispute arose.  If a hospital ignores a DNR, they are
risking a lawsuit from the patient's family, and also possibly a lawsuit
from the patient, should the patient partially recover (but perhaps be left
in a diminished state).  Neither of those things is a risk in this case,
since Lucy has no family on the scene, and clearly she isn't going to sue
Kevin.

>And that's the situation she's in right now. There's no way in hell Kevin
>is going to let them take her off life support. Either the rest of the
>hospital staff hates Boardman or he's a complete nimrod for being the
>first to walk in there and tell Kevin the hospital has to take her off
>life support. 

You raise a good question.  Why Boardman?  He's a surgeon.  Lucy is not his
patient - she's not a surgical case.  I would think she'd be on the general
medical service or some such thing.  If she were his patient, I could
understand his zeal to pursue this.

Now, maybe this was just a convenient choice because Stuart Damon was too
busy on GH to put in the necessary time (since otherwise Alan is clearly
the person who would be involved in such a delicate situation).  Boardman
is the designated Dr. Nasty of PC, so let him do it.

But it's not playing out that way.  And now I need to put in some spoiler
space:

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On today's show, Boardman kept pressing, despite Kevin's and Scott's
threats.  He finally got a court order to disconnect the machines.
Throughout everything he said and did, Boardman impressed me, because
although he was a bit insensitive at times, it seemed clear that he is
doing his best to be Lucy's advocate in this situation.  He obviously has
what he believes to be Lucy's best interests in the forefront of his mind
(having not had the advantage of reading next week's scripts to learn that
she's going to recover).  He's been presented as a jerk in the past on PC,
but they've never done anything to suggest that he's anything less than a
competent and dedicated doctor.  

So, anyway, then I got to thinking.  As I said before, he may just be a
convenient doctor to use for this storyline.  But Kevin needs an adversary
- somebody to disagree with, dislike, etc., but not necessarily a villain.
Perhaps that could be Boardman.  Kevin probably won't soon forget that if
Boardman had had his way, Lucy would have died.

And how about this?  Suppose Kevin actually *doesn't* have his hospital job
back yet?  Suppose he applies for reinstatement.  Boardman would probably
fight it, using Kevin's unprofessional and, let's face it, somewhat
unstable behavior in the face of Lucy's death as a reason.  Or, suppose
Kevin *has* been reinstated and we were never told.  Then Boardman might
ask the board to fire him again, or ask the AMA to pull his license, on the
basis of his behavior in entubating Lucy.  It could be interesting.

Anyhow, I don't know if that's why Boardman did this instead of Alan, but
if so it would have some nice possibilities.

>On a side note, shouldn't Gail be there for Kevin as his therapist. I mean
>he's on the edge right now with the whole intubation episode. Wouldn't it
>dawn on someone in the hospital that she should be close by.

That question was pretty well resolved today - she's taking care of Serena
so Scott can be at the hospital.  But you're right - he's on the edge and
somebody who knows what they're doing ought to be keeping an eye on him.  I
really like that they've let him slide a little way down the slippery slope. 

Rika
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Scoops for next week
Date: 27 Feb 1998 21:22:45 -0500

At 05:54 PM 2/25/98 -0600, Julie wrote:

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>     - Lucy announces that she wants to marry Kevin.

I still can't believe this is the "startling" announcement.  Sheesh!  A
woman announces that she wants to marry her fiance, and that's "startling?"

Of course, if she wants to marry him right there in the hospital room, THAT
would be startling.

Then again, though, considering that Kevin first mentioned the words
"marriage" and "Lucy" in the same sentence in mid-1995, perhaps it would
also be startling if they actually set a date......  :-/

Rika

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Serena's visit
Date: 27 Feb 1998 21:35:12 -0500

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Well, thank heaven today didn't require quite as many Kleenex as Tuesday,
Wednesday, or Thursday.  But it still had plenty of sad moments.

First, I have to say, Scott is building up the redemption points with
surprising regularity these days.  He's supporting Kevin - I think his
presence is helping to hold Kevin together.  He continues to express his
guilt and sense of responsibility for Lucy's predicament, which is
gratifying to hear.  I was very impressed today when he mentioned to Eve
about the conversations (he said they were jokes, but I disagree)
indicating that he would "throw Lucy to the wolves" to save Serena.  He
recognizes now that he did exactly that.

And he did something very good today when he brought Serena to see Lucy.
First off, though the writers didn't acknowledge it, the way I understand
it there's a sense of history here.  I wasn't watching GH regularly back
then, but the way I understand it, when Scott finally got Lucy to the
hospital after Serena's birth, her heart stopped beating at one point.
From what I've heard, Scott put the infant Serena into Lucy's arms and that
brought her back.  So if Serena's visit does the trick again, there's a
nice symmetry to the whole thing.

And it wasn't just Lucy who could benefit.  It was poignant to see how
touched and comforted Kevin was by Serena's presence.  

Rika

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From: Taiyin <sigmund@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Serena's visit
Date: 28 Feb 1998 20:05:34 -0800

At 09:35 PM 2/27/98 -0500, Rika wrote:
>S
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>Well, thank heaven today didn't require quite as many Kleenex as Tuesday,
>Wednesday, or Thursday.  But it still had plenty of sad moments.

I was ok until Serena walked into the room and saw the look on Kevin's face.

>First, I have to say, Scott is building up the redemption points with
>surprising regularity these days.  

I agree.  He wears contrite very well.

>He's supporting Kevin - I think his
>presence is helping to hold Kevin together.  

I agree.  He's also recognizing the fact that, no matter how guilty he
feels or how much he loves Lucy, she is ALL Kevin.  Scott may love Lucy,
too, but she is not the center of his world the way she is for Kevin.

>He continues to express his
>guilt and sense of responsibility for Lucy's predicament, which is
>gratifying to hear.  

And THAT is the main reason that I'm working on forgiving Scott.

>And he did something very good today when he brought Serena to see Lucy.

I agree.  I was afraid (because of the preivews) that Serena wasn't going
to be told anything and wouldn't see Lucy till she was recovering.

>From what I've heard, Scott put the infant Serena into Lucy's arms and that
>brought her back.  So if Serena's visit does the trick again, there's a
>nice symmetry to the whole thing.

Yup.  This is the second time Lucy almost died for Serena.

I was especially happy to see Scott acknowledge that Lucy is the closest
thing to a mother that Serena has.

>And it wasn't just Lucy who could benefit.  It was poignant to see how
>touched and comforted Kevin was by Serena's presence.  

That was the moment that got to me most.  The shot of the two of them
looking at Lucy was great. 

Taiyin
"What did I do before I had you?"
--"You were lost and confused."
         -- Lucy and Kevin

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From: AVID Woman <st5uf@Bayou.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: K&L: Good-byes
Date: 27 Feb 1998 23:03:45 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Taiyin wrote:

> Taiyin, who heard the song Julie mentioned on the radio on the way to work
> this morning and is now itching for an editing machine so I can make a
> video of it... <sigh>

Actually, I do have access to a rather spiffy editing machine at my
disposal. I'm already editing one major project and planning to do a music
video type thing as an offshot of the major project. If there's a big
enough consensus and a little bit of help in the footage department I
wouldn't be advers to doing a video.

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Goodbyes
Date: 28 Feb 1998 00:58:23 -0500

I'll start by warning everyone that this post could be harmful to your
supply of Kleenex.  This week's transcript is not from the 1994 series I've
been doing.  I thought, since several of you missed most of Kevin and
Lucy's gorgeous goodbye scene on Thursday due to the terribly urgent news
reports of Oprah's victory over the mad cowmen, I'd transcribe what you
missed.

It amazes me that I've probably watched it six or seven times at least by
now, between doing the RATSA update and writing this transcript.  The power
has not diminished one iota, even after all those viewings.  I used up
quite a bit of Kleenex doing this transcript, but, hey, no sacrifice is too
big for the listserv!

Rika

KEVIN, LUCY, AND GOODBYES - February 26, 1998

Lucy wakes up in the ICU to find Kevin sitting on his stool next to her
bed.  He has dozed off, bent over with his head resting on the bed.  She
reaches out to stroke his hair; he awakens with a start.

K: "Hey."
L: "You look so tired."
K: "I'm fine, don't worry about me."
L: "No, you've been sitting in that hard old chair for hours."
K: "You know, I'll have you know that this stool is so comfortable
   that I ordered a dozen for the lighthouse."
(He does a 360 sitting on the stool.  Lucy laughs and then moans.)
L: "Oh, I told you not to do that.  Don't make me laugh."

There is a knock at the door.  It's Jake, Karen, Joe, and Scott.
They explain that the antidote is ready, but it hasn't been fully tested.
It's made up of an unusual combination of chemicals, and they aren't sure
of the dosage.  The wrong combination could be lethal.  Without the
antidote, though, organ failure and death seem inevitable for Lucy.  Kevin
is frustrated that this is their only option.  Lucy asks his opinion, and
when she presses him he remarks that a small chance is better than no
chance.  Lucy agrees, and asks to have a few minutes with Scott and Kevin
first.  Joe, Jake, and Karen leave the room.

(By the way, Lucy is very short of breath, and it's an effort 
  her to speak, which makes what she says in the conversations
  which follow even more powerful.)

L: "Scott?"
(Scott sits on the stool; Kevin goes over and stands near the door.)
S: "I'm sorry I got you into this mess."
L: "You, Scott Baldwin, have gotten me into a lot of messes, but 
  this isn't one of them."
S: "I should have protected you; I should have..."
L: "No, you listen to me.  If the worst happens, you know why I
   did this - to protect Serena, and it was worth it.  Do you
   understand that?"
S: "I was a fool.  I should never have kept her away from you all 
   those years.  That was wrong."
(True on all counts.  I wonder if he's thinking right now of the way
  he had her arrested for Serena's kidnapping back in June?)
L: "Ancient history, pal.  It's all right now.  I just need you to
    know I love you.  And tell Serena I love her too, okay?"
S: "Yeah.  She loves you like crazy and misses you, and I want to
    bring her around as soon as you're feeling better.  Okay?"
L: (fighting back tears) "Okay, I'll look forward to it."
S: "You know how I feel about you."
(Lucy nods and smiles through her tears.)
S: "Bye bye.  See you later."

Scott leaves; Kevin comes over to Lucy and sits on the stool by her bed.
Lucy fights back tears - losing the fight for the most part - for the
remainder of the scene.

L: "Okay.  Well, maybe this is goodbye, huh?"
K: "I don't believe that."
L: "Well, you know, taking action sure is better than just sitting
   around waiting for all those silly machines to go off, huh?"
K: "You're the most brave woman I've ever met in my life."
L: "That's just 'cause you're here.  Now, do you know how very much I
   love you?"
K: "Yeah.  I've grown to count on it."
L: "And remember, you have made me so happy, happier than I ever
   thought was possible -"
K: "Don't even think about saying goodbye, Lucy.  We're not done
   yet, not by a long shot."
L: "Would you just let me get this in, please?  I need to say this. 
   Now, I've had a lot of relationships, as you know, and even the
   men that I married - I don't think they really knew me or even
   liked me.  They were probably embarrassed by me.  But you, you
   love me anyway and accepted me for who I am, and I love you for
   that."
K: "That's because loving you was the easiest, most right thing I
   have ever done."
L: "Okay, it's still my turn.  You are so loyal, so kind, and so
   good.  And, you know, a few years ago, you probably would have
   been too good.  But now I know that all I ever wanted was good
   and kind."
(Kevin starts to cry now.  So do I.)
K: "Lucy, you are all I ever wanted.  You're everything I searched
   for my whole life.  And I love you.  I will always love you, no
   matter what."
L: "And I will always love you.  You remember that, okay?"
K: "I will."
L: "And if the worst happens, do not go to that dark place, do you
   hear me?  I want you to let the people who love us to help you
   through it, do you promise me that?"
K: "I promise."
L: "Good."
(Kevin leans over and they kiss.  As they kiss, the pain overtakes
  them and they cling fiercely to each other, crying.  Finally, 
  they break apart.)
L: "Okay, okay.  You tell them I'm ready."
K: "Okay."
(They look at each other for a long moment; Kevin suddenly leans
  over and they embrace and kiss again.  Then he stands up and walks
  to the door, wiping the tears from his eyes.  At the door, he
  turns to look at her; he smiles.  She smiles back and breaks my
  heart when she says, simply:)
L: "Ta."
(Kevin leaves, and Lucy's smile dissolves into tears, but remark-
  ably the smile returns.  This is one courageous woman.)

When we next see them, Kevin is sitting on Lucy's bed facing her, holding
both her hands in his.  Scott, Jake, Joe, and Karen cluster around the bed.

Karen: "I'm just going to inject this medication into your IV port. 
  Are you ready?"
L: "I just need to let all of you know how grateful I am for
   everything you've done.  I know how very hard you tried, so I
   want you to remember, if the worst happens, please don't blame
   yourselves.  I really appreciate everything you did."
K: "Well, let's not dwell on the negative, all right?"
L: "Okay, Karen, I'm ready."

Kevin, with more love in his eyes than could possibly be put into words,
looks at Lucy and mouths the words, "I love you."  (And what a great choice
- either by the writers or by the actor - to say it silently instead of
aloud.  It is 100 times more powerful since, this way, it seems to be
spoken from his heart and not his lips.)  He and Lucy quietly gaze into
each other's eyes, smiling tenderly at each other, as Karen injects the
antidote.

L: "So, now what?
K: "Now we wait."

The episode continued from there, but those were Lucy's last words of the
episode.  She had lost consciousness by the start of the next scene, and
stopped breathing soon thereafter, leading to Kevin's impulsive decision to
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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: K&L: Lucy and strength
Date: 28 Feb 1998 01:10:16 -0500

Sorry to be more or less spamming the listserv tonight, but that's the
price you pay for not having to put up with my yammering for the last two
days!  Anyway, there's something I was thinking about during my enforced
net.silence, and I wanted to mention it before I forgot.

When we first heard the spoilers that Lucy would have a medical crisis, I
remember that some people didn't like the idea because of their admiration
for Lucy's strength.  They didn't like the thought of seeing her in a
position of weakness, where others had to save her.

I'm curious how you feel now.  While it's true that Lucy has had to rely on
others to save her life, she could in no way have been considered weak or
helpless at any time.  She remained an active part of the search for the
antidote for as long as her failing body would allow.  She faced the crisis
with dignity and courage that I imagine few people could emulate in her
situation.  She did her best to comfort Kevin, who hasn't handled the
situation nearly as well as Lucy has.  She made me think of Mary Mae Ward's
celebrated "grace realized" speech at Stone's bedside, which we later
learned was taped while Rosalind Cash was fighting a losing battle with
cancer.

Anyway, I think one of the best parts of the story has been that this side
of Lucy was allowed to shine through.  Kevin was right when he told her she
was the bravest woman he had ever known.  Way to go, Lucy - and TPTB!

Rika  

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From: Cagey <cagey@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 28 Feb 1998 07:58:59 -0800 (PST)


At 09:18 PM 2/27/98 -0500, Rika wrote:

>Boardman is the designated Dr. Nasty of PC, so let him do it.

That's certainly true.  Though, as I recall, the writers
tried to redeem him somewhat when the students were going
through reviews.  I wonder, indeed, if he is involved
because he is still connected with the interns in some way.

In fact, I tend to think that *Ellen* should be around in
this story.  I understand why she's not, but if you think
about it, she should not only be voicing some sort of
opinion on the interns acting as Dr. Frankensteins, but
also reacting to Kevin's situtation.

<shrug>

>Anyhow, I don't know if that's why Boardman did this
instead of Alan, but
>if so it would have some nice possibilities.

I hope he does stick around.  I like the actor a lot.

And, on a completely unrelated note, if the PC clips from
the SOD Awards last night confirmed anything for me, it's
that I want Kevin's cute little chin back pronto! ;)

--kg

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From: Rika <rika1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 28 Feb 1998 11:58:08 -0500

At 07:58 AM 2/28/98 -0800, Cagey wrote:

>In fact, I tend to think that *Ellen* should be around in
>this story.  I understand why she's not, but if you think
>about it, she should not only be voicing some sort of
>opinion on the interns acting as Dr. Frankensteins, but
>also reacting to Kevin's situtation.

Agreed.  It's too bad she's so busy with Matt's story that she doesn't have
any time for this.  She'd certainly have something to say about the
interns, and Kevin can use all the friends he can get right now.

>And, on a completely unrelated note, if the PC clips from
>the SOD Awards last night confirmed anything for me, it's
>that I want Kevin's cute little chin back pronto! ;)

Okay, I admit it.  Even though I still think the beard is sexy, I'm
starting to miss the dimples and the chin.  :-)

Rika

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Subject: Re: K&L: Get the tissues ready!!!
Date: 28 Feb 1998 10:06:54 -0800

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