From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: lucy Date: 01 Jul 1998 01:05:56 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Rika wrote: > >l > >o > >o > >k > > > >o > >u > >t > > > >b > >e > >l > >o > >w > Well, here's a question. One of my e-mail pals suggested that Kevin would > never be able to forgive Lucy for what she did if she came clean to him. > I'd like to think that he would forgive her if she admitted it openly. > What do y'all think? I'm thinking that if Kevin has forgiven her for everything else she's done in the past this is gonna be no different. I expect to see lots of lectures about the subject from him though. Just as he realizes no amount of outside guilt can top what Eve is doing to herself I'm sure he'd realize that Lucy on some level has to be beating herself up over her part in all of this to the point that anything anyone else said or did would be meaningless. Outside of cold blooded, premeditated murder I can't imagine him never forgiving anything Lucy does in the future. He's been created with an inordanate amount of patience and compassion, as showcased by his conversation with Eve today. -Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: lucy Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:49:38 -0400 At 01:05 AM 7/1/98 -0500, Nicole wrote: > > >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Rika wrote: >> Well, here's a question. One of my e-mail pals suggested that Kevin would >> never be able to forgive Lucy for what she did if she came clean to him. >> I'd like to think that he would forgive her if she admitted it openly. >> What do y'all think? > >I'm thinking that if Kevin has forgiven her for everything else she's done >in the past this is gonna be no different. I expect to see lots of >lectures about the subject from him though. Just as he realizes no amount >of outside guilt can top what Eve is doing to herself I'm sure he'd >realize that Lucy on some level has to be beating herself up over her part >in all of this to the point that anything anyone else said or did would >be meaningless. Outside of cold blooded, premeditated murder I can't >imagine him never forgiving anything Lucy does in the future. He's been >created with an inordanate amount of patience and compassion, as showcased >by his conversation with Eve today. I agree, Nicole. I think he could forgive her anything (even *including* premeditated murder, I think) as long as she trusted him enough to confess it. But in this case, I wonder if she does trust him enough. He's taken Eve's side of the rivalry enough times that she might fear that Kevin would tell Scott what she did. I don't think he would, but I could see Lucy worrying about that, and above all, Lucy would be convinced that Scott must NEVER know what she did. I think I could bear this whole awful mess if two things happen: (1) Lucy stops attacking Eve. She can try to convince herself that Eve is at fault all she wants if it helps her deal with this (because in her heart she knows that it's her fault more than Eve's). But that part I can't bear is her taking that need for denial out on Eve. (2) Lucy learns a BIG, BIG lesson from this and starts thinking a little bit before she reacts. Too bad there's next to no chance of those things happening..... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barbara Cullen Subject: Re: K&L: lucy Date: 01 Jul 1998 13:55:38 -0400 --------------BAA2103504D880308ADBDC8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rika wrote on Wed,01 July 1998 12:49:38-0400 > (1) Lucy stops attacking Eve. She can try to convince herself that Eve is at > fault all she wants if it helps her deal with this( because in her heart she > knows that it's her fault more than Eve's). But that part I can't bear is her > taking that need for denial out on Eve. (2) Lucy learns a Big, Big lesson from this and starts thinking a little before she reacts. I am sorry but I don't agree with Rika. Eve is the only one she can lease out on she can't take it on Scott or Kevin. Yes Lucy is to blame but not fully she should not have siphoned the gas but you all have to remember no one knew this would happen. Eve is to blame for at least half they both made an error in judgment and Lucy the biggest one of all. Serena has paid the price and we all have to pray that tptb will not let her be blind. Lucy has learned a big lesson from this and I am sorry to say I don't think she can trust Kevin after all ever since this whole Lucy/Eve thing started he has taken Eve's side every time. That doesn't make a very good husband to be if you are going to take a rivals side all the time and throw your fiancee's past back in your face. Yes Lucy poked her nose where it should not have belong especially digging up Eve's past and then telling Scott. But Lucy did tell Garcia and also not the newspaper. Yes she should have made more of an attempt at an apology; but the mood that was Eve in she would have accepted it anyway. Also knowing about what was going on with the murders Eve should have known better than to pull any pranks. I was also not wild that Kevin went behind Lucy's back to get Eve to stop. Also what Eve did at the nurses' ball with the pranks is unforgivable when Lucy did ask if they could put aside there differences until the end. But Eve wouldn't stop so neither did Lucy and she almost lost her life. Tracey P.S. Sorry for being so long but I still believe they are both at fault! > - --------------BAA2103504D880308ADBDC8E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rika wrote on Wed,01 July 1998 12:49:38-0400
 
(1) Lucy stops attacking Eve. She can try to convince herself that Eve is at fault all she wants if it helps her deal with this( because in her heart she knows that it's her fault more than Eve's). But that part I can't bear is her taking that need for denial out on Eve.
(2) Lucy learns a Big, Big lesson from this and starts thinking a little before she reacts. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I am sorry but I don't agree with Rika. Eve is the only one she can lease out on she can't take it on Scott or Kevin. Yes Lucy is to blame but not fully she should not have siphoned the gas but you all have to remember no one knew this would happen. Eve is to blame for at least half they both made an error in judgment and Lucy the biggest one of all. Serena has paid the price and we all have to pray that tptb will not let her be blind.

Lucy has learned a big lesson from this and I am sorry to say I don't think she can trust Kevin after all ever since this whole Lucy/Eve thing started he has taken Eve's side  every time. That doesn't make a very good husband to be if you are going to take a rivals side all the time and throw your fiancee's past back in your face.

Yes Lucy poked her nose where it should not have belong especially digging up Eve's past and then telling Scott. But Lucy did tell Garcia and also not the newspaper. Yes she should have made more of an attempt at an apology; but the mood that was Eve in she would have accepted it anyway.

Also knowing about what was going on with the murders Eve should have known better than to pull any pranks. I was also not wild that Kevin went behind Lucy's back to get Eve to stop. Also what Eve did at the nurses' ball with the pranks is unforgivable when Lucy did ask if they could put aside there differences until the end. But Eve wouldn't stop so neither did Lucy and she almost lost her life.

Tracey

P.S. Sorry for being so long but I still believe they are both at fault!
 

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Serena has paid the price and we all have to pray that tptb will not let her be blind. <<<<<<<< We agree about all of the above and it doesn't seem to invalidate what I originally said. In the original post you were responding to, I said that I wished Lucy would stop lashing out at Eve, since in her heart Lucy knows it is more her fault than Eve's. I didn't say Eve hadn't made mistakes too which contributed to this mess. Hers, as you say, were errors in judgment, which I imagine many people might have made under similar situations. I think what Lucy did was worse because it was a deliberate act of sabotage. She thought Eve would run out of gas at a different time, but that's sooooo Lucy: assume things will work exactly according to plan, and never stop to think about the consequences if something goes wrong. >>>> Lucy has learned a big lesson from this <<<<<<<< I hope you're right, but I'll believe it when I see it. Lucy seemed like she'd learned a lesson after the bet with Damian, and after almost dying at Rex's hands, too. But the lessons seem to fade pretty quickly and her behavior returns to normal. >>>> and I am sorry to say I don't think she can trust Kevin after all ever since this whole Lucy/Eve thing started he has taken Eve's side every time. That doesn't make a very good husband to be if you are going to take a rivals side all the time and throw your fiancee's past back in your face. <<<<<<<< I can't agree with this characterization of what Kevin has done. I agree that he has taken Eve's side, and I would be happier with him if he had been harder on Eve once she started retaliating. But the other side of his behavior is that, when talking to Scott and Eve, Kevin has taken Lucy's side every time I can recall. He hasn't joined in their criticism of her, and he's tried to point out the feelings for Serena that have driven her to what she's done. So I finally decided that he's just being his logical self. He probably thought that if he supported Lucy's point of view when talking to her about this, he would just have pushed her even farther in what he believed was the wrong direction, so he took the devil's advocate approach instead in the hopes of getting her to see the other side. But when talking to others, he gave her exactly the kind of support a loved one should. That's all the more impressive since he strongly disagreed with and disapproved of what she was doing. Having said that, I agree with you that Lucy could see his behavior as a breach of trust. I just wouldn't agree with her. Also what Eve did at the nurses' ball with the pranks is unforgivable when Lucy did ask if they could put aside there differences until the end. But Eve wouldn't stop so neither did Lucy and she almost lost her life. <<<<<< I didn't like that Eve did that stuff leading up to the ball, or that she put additional emotional pressure on Lucy at the NB after Lucy asked her to rise above their feud. But Lucy's near-death didn't really arise from the feud, right? >>>> P.S. Sorry for being so long but I still believe they are both at fault! <<<<<<<< Me too. And I'd hand Scott some of the responsibility too. I think we agree on a lot of things. But the very fact that Lucy shares responsibility for this is the reason why it bugs me so much that she's being so hard on Eve. She can blame Eve in her private thoughts all she wants, but I think that acting on those thoughts is cruel and selfish, especially considering how upset and remorseful Eve is. And she ought to be careful, because what goes around comes around. What if people find out what she did? How would Lucy like being on the receiving end of what she's dishing out? I think it would have been a much more interesting writing choice if Lucy had gone easier on Eve out of her own guilt. It would have totally confused Kevin and Scott - maybe so much so that Kevin might have begun to suspect some sort of involvement on Lucy's part. There's a clue out there in the world - Lucy showed up at the ballet studio. Why did she do that, if not because she expected Eve to fail to show up? Kevin's a smart guy; he might be able to piece something together. It would have been interesting to see, anyhow. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: A possible break up in the works? Date: 02 Jul 1998 17:49:18 EDT Is anybody else thinking that there is a good possiblity that K&L will eventually break up? That perhaps TPTB decided that these two people needed a bit of shaking up to explore other relationships? Alot of people are hoping on the message board that Kevin dumps retro-Lucy and takes up with Eve Lambert. While I agree that Eve and Kevin do have some chemistry I'd really hate to see K&L call it quits--they are a constant reminderd of my favorite b/w screwball comedy/romantic couples from the movies... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brandy greenway <"greenwa2@pilot.msu.edu"@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: K&L: A possible break up in the works? Date: 02 Jul 1998 18:01:01 -0400 TC8870@aol.com wrote: > > Is anybody else thinking that there is a good possiblity that K&L will > eventually break up? That perhaps TPTB decided that these two people needed a > bit of shaking up to explore other relationships? Alot of people are hoping > on the message board that Kevin dumps retro-Lucy and takes up with Eve > Lambert. While I agree that Eve and Kevin do have some chemistry I'd really > hate to see K&L call it quits--they are a constant reminderd of my favorite > b/w screwball comedy/romantic couples from the movies... > > - I would hate to see a K&L breakup because they are one of my favorite all time soap couples. I mean, let's face it, Lucy has done some crazy things lately, but that's just Lucy and Kevin has loved her regardless. I would hate to see an Eve and Kevin pairing in the works b/c that would destroy everything that these characters have so magically in their relationship. I would honestly like to see Lucy try to patch things up for Eve and Scottie b/c of her quilt. That would be a good storyline, plus then they could concentrate more on the the wedding of Lucy and Kevin. That would be something I would love to see. Just my opinion. Brandy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: A possible break up in the works? Date: 02 Jul 1998 18:08:27 EDT In a message dated 98-07-02 17:50:52 EDT, you write: << Is anybody else thinking that there is a good possiblity that K&L will eventually break up? That perhaps TPTB decided that these two people needed a bit of shaking up to explore other relationships? >> Nooooo. Say it ain't so! No way. I just can't believe that. << Alot of people are hoping on the message board that Kevin dumps retro-Lucy and takes up with Eve Lambert. While I agree that Eve and Kevin do have some chemistry I'd really hate to see K&L call it quits-->> I think what's out on the message boards is reflective of the natural animosity towards Lucy right now. I'm pretty pissed at her myself . And what's really bothering me about her is the lack of emotional honesty about her actions. I could handle much of this much better if only she could be honest about herself (as she was during the Bet with Damian). But she's completely closed off to any real self-awareness right now, and I hate that. As far as Eve/Kevin go, I prefer the "long-lost half-sister" theory myself. They'd make a good brother/sister team. But I'm beyond being able to stomach Jon/Lynn with anyone else. Personally, what I think we're building towards here is not a break up but rather some sort of wake up call for Lucy. It's a law in soaps that the truth eventually comes out. No way that Lucy's role in Serena's accident will remain hidden. It'll come out. I keep feeling that what the writers are working on here is way to force Lucy to see that she has got to let go a little, that her obsession with Serena (while understandable) is really NOT healthy for this little girl. But then again, perhaps I'm just too optimistic....... Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: Lucy at the Crossroads (long) Date: 02 Jul 1998 18:38:38 EDT A month ago I posted something called "Lucy and the Art of letting Go." I thought what the PTB were working up to with Lucy and all her antics with a realization "I have to let Scott and Serena go." moment for Lucy. But then Lucy behavior got worse, her obsession about Serena accelerated and the obvious dislike for she had for Eve was become more and more hateful. Lucy has completely backslidden (and I understand that occassionally all characters have to backslide and visit their dark place every so often. I never wanted a character that was too good or too bad--just one with many facets) to her old self--she has lied, schemed and deceieved behind Kevin's back and has totally disregarded his feelings or Scott and Serena's feelings...By that point I couldnt figure out what the "the powers" were up too. Was Lynn Herring getting bored with the role of Lucy? Did they need a new resident villianess to roam around town. Did they have to many happy couples and needed to break some up? I've come to cringe now when I see Lucy on the screen--she has gone frome funny, intelligent, compassionate, devious and scrapy to a very spiteful, hateful, obsessive woman. And I'm not saying that Eve has no fault in this because I had a big problem with Eve and Chris's little gas stunt they pulled on Lucy--I thought it was amoral of the show to show two intelligent doctors who took an oath that as phsycains "they would do no harm..." but this isnt a post about Eve and Chris its about Lucy and what I'm thinking--or what I'm hoping--is that in their own twisted logic the writers are still working towards that Lucy "I have to let Go moment." Lucy is at the crossroads--what she decides to do will either redeem her soul or have her fall into that 'dark place" with a certain ex-husband and best pal of hers on General Hospital. What I hope the writers are leading up too with Serena's accident, Lucy's backsliding, the big SECRET about Lucy's part in the accident ectera is way of the writers bringing closure to the Lucy/Serena/Scott story. When Lucy agreed to carry Serena for Dom and Scott she did it out of love but she also did it because she felt that she, baby and Scotty would make a family of their own some day. But then Scott took Serena away--so abruptly so fast that it literally knocked the wind out of Lucy. I dont think she ever recovered from that loss. As time went by Lucy met and fell in love with her Doc--Kevin and I think by then she'd resigned to the thought of not being with Scott or Serena but never truly letting them go. I have no doubt that Lucy loves Kevin completely and fully but I think on a subconscious level she's still clinging to the idea of the family that could have been. Lucy is also a woman who has had three miscarriages--two before Serena and one after her last summer. I think Lucy obession with Serena is also part of the fact that Lucy see in Serena all those babies that she lost, all the babies that she couldnt save or protect like a 'good" mother should. The idea of not being able to have children of her own strikes Lucy to her very heart and soul--she clings to the role of the mother-figure in Serena's life because that's all she may ever have. And the reason, Lucy continues to blame Eve knowning that she is at fault is because the idea that she (Lucy) has put another one of her children in danger is just to much for her to handle--doesnt make it right but its a definte factor. As a student majoring in psychology I know-- it is horrorify idea to most parents to think that they could harm their own child--even the majority of parents who abuse their children try to find justification in their actions because its just to much for them to accept. If Lucy can confess to what she's done, own up to it--feel the guilt, the remorse and the complete grief and pain. I think the obession with Serena will lessen--I think she can possible be redeemed and I think she'll realize that in order for her to keep Serena close she has to let her go. The writers need to close this chapter on Lucy's life as she starts a new one with Kevin. Until Lucy can do that--Kevin and if they have any children will also come in at a close second to Scott and Serena. If Lucy can do this--I think that Kevin could forgive her--he'd be angry, hurt, upset, enraged and horrifed but I'd like to think in the end he'd stand by her. But if Lucy doesnt own up, if she continues to cover up and lie and is caught in the end--I dont see redemption as a possibility. I see her losing her lover, best friend and the child that she loves so much which could eventually send her back to her old "unevolved' self. So, I'm really holding out for a confession. I also think its possible that once the closure is done we'll be getting a K&L baby and the start of a family soon. I'm trying to give the writers the benefit of the doubt...and hoping that the see what this story could be instead of just some cheap plot point to deconstruct a really great characters. But then again, maybe I'm completely wrong and TPTB just want Lucy to be this total retor witch with capital B! Tanya - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy at the Crossroads (long) Date: 02 Jul 1998 19:29:51 EDT In a message dated 98-07-02 18:40:11 EDT, TC8870@aol.com writes: << what I'm hoping--is that in their own twisted logic the writers are still working towards that Lucy "I have to let Go moment." >> For what it's worth, I do agree. <> Agreed. The clincher for me is the secret nature of this latest turn of events in the Lucy/Serena story. Soap secrets ALWAYS come out, at one point or another. If TIIC wanted to prolong this obsession-story, they wouldn't have set Lucy up for the kind of fall she's now primed for. << As time went by Lucy met and fell in love with her Doc--Kevin and I think by then she'd resigned to the thought of not being with Scott or Serena but never truly letting them go. I have no doubt that Lucy loves Kevin completely and fully but I think on a subconscious level she's still clinging to the idea of the family that could have been. >> Hmmmm. That I'm not sure about. I can't see where Lucy views Scott as someone that she could spend her life loving and living with, as she does with Kevin. <> Absolutely. It's her biggest fear, that Serena will be the only child she ever gives birth to. And she has always felt as though she were Serena's mother. Had Dominique lived, who knows how she would have felt. But since Serena has had no mother, it's quite natural for Lucy to feel entitled to the role. <> Didn't she say as much a few days ago? I seem to recall a conversation she had with herself (or perhaps with a sleeping Serena?) that she HAD to blame Eve. I should rewatch that scene. I don't remember the details but I do remember that it seemed significant at the time. <> I really don't see any other way out of this story. It all seems like a huge set up for just exactly that, IMO. <> Or at the least a whole ton of regret when faced with the truth. But a confession would definitely be better. <> Boy, you ARE an optimist . But then again, so am I........ Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: New Member Date: 03 Jul 1998 18:15:14 -0700 [Bounce. -- T.] Hi everyone. I'm a new member to this list, and have just s*bscribe to both kevin-and-lucy and port-charles. Looks like fun! Just some brief background on moi- I never watched any soaps until I saw the 2 hour premiere of Port Charles . I was HOOKED, especially to Kevin, Lucy, and Scott (and the ever-adorable Serena, of course). I have been an addict ever since. I read up on the K/L/S history, so even tho I didn't watch GH, I'm familliar with the old plot lines. I've since tuned in to some GH, but my heart belongs to PC. Anyway, I'm glad to be here! I'll probably be sending out some fanfiction in the very near future, okay? Oh, can the fanfics be done in "Part 1", "Part 2", etc.? The 2 PC fics I have now are incomplete, but I'd still like to share them and get some feedback. Gosh, I sure do ramble on! Sorry bout that. Heck, my favorite character is Lucy, and she caught my eye because she talks like I do, which can tire people out after awhile. =3DD Peace, ~Laura~ Keeper of Lucy's butterfly earrings /iiiiiiiiiiiiiii\ | - - | O ^ ^ O * & * \ --**-- / "I was thinking about us in the kitchen." --"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, there are all those free-standing appliances." --Lucy and Kevin, "GH" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Possible wedding scoop? Date: 05 Jul 1998 07:32:38 -0700 [Bounce. -- T.] Got This From A Web Site; W'ho Thinks They Really Will Got Married? Okay, I was doing some web-hopping, and I happened across this tidbit, about the casting of the actress for Felicia's grandmother: << And June Lockhart returns as Maria, Felicia's grandmother, July=A024 and= 27, for Felicia and Mac's double wedding with Port Charles' Lucy and Kevin.>> So this has me wondering, as I do from time to time: are K/L really going= to get married, or are we going to be disappointed? I hate to let myself hope for the best, but Lucy is in such a tight spot right now. Seems more likely that something will happen, like the truth about her siphoning the gas comes out the very morning of the wedding, and only Mac/Felicia end up married, GGRRRRRR. What does the list think of our prospects for a wedding? Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: Re: K&L: Possible wedding scoop? Date: 04 Jul 1998 09:52:46 -0500 Taiyin wrote: > [Bounce. -- T.] > > Got > This > From > A > Web > Site; > W'ho > Thinks > They > Really > Will > Got > Married? > > Okay, I was doing some web-hopping, and I happened across this tidbit, about > the casting of the actress for Felicia's grandmother: > > << And June Lockhart returns as Maria, Felicia's grandmother, July=A024 and= > 27, > for Felicia and Mac's double wedding with Port Charles' Lucy and Kevin.>> > > A place I found said this: A SNEAK PEAK INTO THE FUTURE Will Lucy and Kevin finally tie the knot? Find out on July 24 when the duo attempts a double wedding with Felicia and Mac. Look for guest appearances by old cast members as the citizens of PC gather to celebrate this joyous occasion. The word " attempts" has me worried. Debi > > > - -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "come visit" (ë¿ë) ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: Possible wedding scoop? Date: 04 Jul 1998 16:38:31 EDT Well, I'm thinking that they will get married. PC can milk at least a year out of this story. Kevin will discover what Lucy has done and they will end up split up for awhile when Kevin insists the truth come out so that Eve is off the hook. On a lighter note, I do love having the "old" Lucy back--the scheming witch you love! Let's hope she stays that way for awhile! J - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin and Serena Date: 06 Jul 1998 19:29:29 -0400 I was gone over the July 4 weekend, and was surprised when I came back that there were no posts on the listserv about the Kevin/Serena scene on Thursday. My heart positively melted. All I could think was how lucky any child would be to have a father as warm, wise, and loving as Kevin. TPTB really NEED to give him the chance to be a father..... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, Art, and Privacy Date: 06 Jul 1998 19:46:01 -0400 Here's the transcript of the week. This scene is from the episode immediately following last week's transcript. We're still on the general subject of Kevin and his art work. This one includes Lucy's encounter with Tracy Quartermaine when she returned to Port Charles. Enjoy! Rika Kevin, Lucy, Art, and Privacy - August 6, 1996 Mac visits the lighthouse very late one night (the night when Lucy tried to convince Kevin that his paintings deserved to be publicly shown), getting Kevin out of bed. Mac explains that he tried to convince Felicia that Tom is her stalker, but he failed. Lucy comes downstairs to check on Kevin; unseen by the guys, she overhears their conversation. The next morning, Kevin is downstairs, dressed for work, staring at his paintings while holding a coffee cup. Lucy comes down wearing the top from a pair of Kevin's silk pajamas. L: "You know, your stuff is so good that you should allow lots of people to obsess on it too. Didn't anybody ever tell you it's very good to share?" K: "You're wearing my pajama top; you slept in my bed, till very late, I might add. Sorry - I have to go to work." (He leans over and kisses her cheek.) L: "Wait.... just a second?" K: "Oh oh - what's wrong?" L: "I have a teeny tiny confession to make. I did something bad. Well, actually, it's not that bad - and it wasn't intentionally bad, just kind of bad - " (Kevin can sense a wind-up for a lengthy Lucybabble, so he interrupts.) K: "What did you do, Lucy? What did you do?" L: "I accidentally, absolutely accidentally overheard your conversation with Mac last night." K: "Oh." (He isn't particularly concerned. Then he remembers what they talked about and his tone and facial expression change.) "Oh. How much?" L: "A lot. I heard that Mac thinks that Tom is Felicia's stalker. Tom as the stalker? He's actually very sweet.... and, well, he may be a little strange. Well, you know, even I - " K: "Lucy, I don't want to know. Now, look, Mac doesn't have any hard evidence against Tom. It's just that anyone close to Felicia is under suspicion right now." L: "Well, not me, obviously! I mean, if I was going to stalk anybody, it'd be Katherine. I'm certainly not going to stalk my best friend Felicia. Although, there have been a few times when I've been a little, you know - " K: "All right, let me amend that. Everyone close to Felicia is under suspicion except you. Lucy, please don't say anything about this to anyone, not even accidentally." L: "I won't. You know, I won't. Besides, it's just such an icky subject, and something horrible always happens when the stalker is finally revealed. I'm just having a hard time picturing Tom, you know, as a psychiatrist, in his office with patients, all alone with them in that tiny little space." (Oh, dear..... well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The doorbell rings.) K: "Not a word." (Kevin answers the door; it's Mac.) K (to Mac): "Bad timing." M: "It's necessary....." (he sees Lucy) "Sorry." L: "No, no, Mac, we're not.... I mean, we were talking paintings. We were talking about Doc's paintings. Aren't they wonderful?" M: "Very arresting." L: (to Kevin) "Ah, see, see? If Mac can get something out of your paintings, then anybody can." M: "Thanks." (Kevin, standing behind Mac, snickers.) L: "I guess privacy is what you two want just about now. Well, so do I. I'm going to go take a shower, and I'm going to turn the water up really loud, and I'm going to play the radio really loud so I can't even accidentally overhear anything." (Mac glances quizzically at Kevin.) K: (to Lucy) "Thank you." L: "See you." K: "See you." (The guys watch Lucy go upstairs. Then Kevin turns to Mac.) K: "Privacy issues were discussed this morning." Mac explains that Felicia is furious at him for suspecting Tom of the stalking; as a result, she won't accept any help from Mac. Mac asks Kevin to stay close to Felicia to protect her, since Mac can't. Meanwhile, Mac is going to continue to investigate Tom, to either "clear him or nail him." A bit later, Lucy comes downstairs, dressed in a business suit but carrying a short, sequined dress in a dry cleaner's plastic bag. L: "Here I come - I'm coming down the stairs loudly and distinctly. I'm in the foyer and - Where's Mac?" K: "The coast is clear." L: "Well, what did he tell you? Did he give you any more information - " (Kevin gives her one of those "Excuse me???" stares. Lucy stops short.) L: "Ummm.... forget I said that. And don't you forget that we're going to see Eddie Maine tonight, and you cannot get out of it, you can't, because you could use some fun." K: "I could use some more of you." (He kisses her.) "Have a good day." (She strokes his face.) L: "Okay, you too. Take care of yourself." (This, of course, isn't just a stock phrase in this case. She's worried about Kevin. He understands and answers her with sincerity.) K: "I will." L: "Okay." Lucy leaves. Kevin sits down to work on some patient charts, but then he starts thinking about a session with Tom when they discussed Tom's psychological problems when he returned to Africa. I'll quote what Kevin remembered Tom saying. I'm sure Kevin is remembering it because it offers evidence that Tom might be Felicia's stalker, but in light of later events, this quote is relevant and prophetic in an entirely different way: Tom: "Everything broke down. The defense mechanisms, the self-deception. The mirror cracked, the pieces hit the ground, and underneath, where the glass used to be, was the real man the mirror had hidden from view. There I stood, unmasked, revealed. I *was* a monster." Kevin decides to go to Felicia to try to talk to her about Mac's suspicions. She doesn't believe Kevin either, but she's not as angry as she is with Mac. Meanwhile, Lucy arrives at the Outback, dressed for the evening, and bumps into Tracy. They both shriek. L: "Eww!" Tracy: "I can't believe - the womb for hire! The last time I saw you, you were swollen with another woman's child." L: "Well, hello to you, too, Tracy. Tell me - does Paul know that his kidnapping ex-wife from hell is back?" T: "Yes, he does, as a matter of fact, and thank you for asking. Nice to see you're still dressing like a streetwalker." L: "Actually, I happen to be the CEO of a very large, successful cosmetic company. So I just dress to please myself, something you're probably not familiar with, huh, because Edward doesn't let you get near ELQ." T: "Did you ever manage to land Scotty, or did he escape with his millions intact?" L: "Since you never managed to land him either, let's not broach that subject, hmm? Besides, I can't wait till you see my Doc. You are going to be absolutely green with envy. Or, tell me, are you still paying those younger men to sleep with you, or are you just going it alone now?" T: "Unlike you, I choose my company for pleasure, as opposed to the desperation of a gold-digging social climber." L: "Well, there you have it - it goes to show how long you have been gone. I have evolved, karmically speaking, because I don't even need to respond to your pathetic barbs. In fact, I don't have to stand here and participate at all." (Lucy walks off smugly, but Tracy gets the last word.) T: "There is a God." Lucy goes to talk to Lois, and finds out that the PR guy working with her to prepare for the Eddie Maine concert doesn't think that the Outback has the right atmosphere. He's looking for a sort of Lower East Side look. Lucy offers to bring in some funky, abstract paintings to improve the atmosphere. A bit later, Lucy leads in two men carrying Kevin's paintings. She is babbling on as only Lucy can, while Tracy looks on, shaking her head in disgust. Ned/Eddie and the PR guy like the paintings. Tracy, of course, has to chime in: Tracy: "Let me guess. Eddie will sing an a cappella improvisation inspired by these very abstract, if not abstruse, works of, dare I say, art?" L: "Can you say 'genius'?" T: "Can you say 'slut'?" L: "Can you say 'arsenic'?" (I love those two; too bad Tracy isn't around more often.) The end! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Serena Date: 06 Jul 1998 20:07:14 EDT Saying that I agree doesnt even cover it. I loved the Serena/Kevin scene and must have watched it at least twice. Very moving, very real, very honest and it was nice that it was private moment between the two of them and not with Scott and Lucy hoovering near by. Kevin's compassion is endless and Jon Lindstrom is such a brillant actor as he displays Kevin's depth and different emotions--rage, fear, humor, angst..love. I too hope, that Kevin will become a father soon---TPTB would be missing out on some touching father/child scenes if they didnt. Also I didnt realize it the first time but the second time I looked at the tape I realized that Kevin was teaching Serena braille by writing on her arm--its a technique that they teach to almost "reprogram the brain" to learn the feel and touch of the bumps that make up braille letters. Handsome, compassionate, love children and brillant. Why isnt there a take- out line were you can order your own live version of Kevin Collins???!!!??? LOL Tanya - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Laura" Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, Art, and Privacy Date: 06 Jul 1998 20:36:19 PDT Do you have any other old transcripts?? As someone who never got a chance= to watch GH when Lucy & Kevin were on (I watch them faithfully now on = PC) I enjoyed the transcript VERY much! ~Laura~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: Lucy's Infertility Date: 06 Jul 1998 23:36:36 EDT Part of my arguement about Lucy's behavior has always been that alot of this is coming from all those previous miscarriages--especially the one last summer and the likelihood that Lucy may not be able to have a child biologically. (Also, give our dynamic duo's equally "colorful" past--I dont see an adoption welcoming them with open arms and flowers) If our heros can survive the fall out of Lucy's part in Serena's accident and if Lucy doesnt become all consumed with Scott and Serena even if Serena's blindness isnt temporary and can FINAL deal with her obsession with Serena. (I know, that's asking alot of a soap writer but I'm forever hopeful when in comes to my favorite couple/soap) How would you like to PC handle the issue of Lucy and Kevin's plight to have a baby? PC strikes me as the type of soap that doesnt go in for "quick fixes" they may feel it would be too easy to give Lucy and Kevin there onw baby and would find it more juicer to deal with the issue of infertility and how it test a couple's love and faith in each other. Personally, I think K&L could use a break from all that ultimate testing, at least for a couple of months. Give the the Collins history of parenting and possible insanity and Lucy's multiple miscarriage--I'd rather see them deal with high-risk pregnancy and the issue of nature vs nuture. Tanya - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Serena Date: 06 Jul 1998 23:13:52 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Rika wrote: > My heart positively melted. All I could think was how lucky any child > would be to have a father as warm, wise, and loving as Kevin. TPTB really > NEED to give him the chance to be a father..... That and the earlier scene where he calls Scott on the lie about Eve both rocked. It's nice to see someone standing up to Scott on how he's treating Eve and not backing down. Which goes very nicely with him being the only one closely related to this that bothers giving Eve any kind of sympathy. The scene showed that Serena has come to place an equally important place in Kevin's life as she does in Lucy's. He doesn't show it in the near co-dependency if not clingy way that Lucy does, but this along with the police station scene when Scott was arrested shows Kevin's connection to Serena. Through Lucy he's gained a vested interest in Serena long before she hit town. Just as Serena serves as the only child Lucy may have I think Serena serves the same purpose for Kevin. If he and Lucy never have a child they'll have the surrogate daughter who's practically their own kid considering the amount of time she spends at the lighthouse. And I've come to the conclusion that Serena either gets her compassion from Dominique or from hanging around Kevin, cause lord knows she's not getting it from Scott or Lucy at this rate. While I'd love to see them have their own kid I'd be perfectly happy if some horrible accident befell bonehead Baldwin and Serena came to live at the Lighthouse permanently. Show of hands for those who'd love to see painting or chess lessons between Kevin and Serena. -Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Serena Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:18:24 -0700 [Bounce - T.] In a message dated 98-07-06 20:23:16 EDT, you write: << Very moving, very real, very honest and it was nice that it was private moment between the two of them and not with Scott and Lucy hoovering near by. Kevin's compassion is endless and Jon Lindstrom is such a brillant actor as he displays Kevin's depth and different emotions--rage, fear, humor, angst..love. >> Add me to the chorus: I agree!! I was so pleased by that scene, and was reminded of a soap mag interview I read of JL's recently where he said that he wa nts to see Kevin's relationships with other characters further developed. Perhaps he'll get his wish. <> Okay, 'fess up: who else besides me was jealous of Serena's forearm? <> Let's not forget the dimples! <> Because then we would all leave our husbands ......... Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cagey Subject: K&L: ADMIN: List Rules Refresher Date: 09 Jul 1998 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) This is a periodic reposting of the updated list rules. If you have the old rules, or haven't read the rules in a while, please re-read these now. 8 July 1998 Welcome to the Kevin and Lucy discussion list. Please keep these rules for future reference. To post to the list, send your mail to kevin-and-lucy@xmission.com. To unsubscribe, send a message of "unsubscribe kevin-and-lucy" (without the quotation marks) to majordomo@xmission.com. 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Sorry it's late - I was on vacation and just got home last night. This one takes place later the same day as last week's; it covers what happens when Kevin finds out Lucy has created a Kevin Collins art exhibit at the Outback. There's a lot packed into these scenes: some poignant stuff about mothers and children, some clues about Felicia's stalker, and some of Kevin and Lucy's trademark comedy/romance. Enjoy! Rika Kevin, Lucy, and Services Rendered - August 7, 1996 Kevin arrives home and is surprised to see Lucy there. K: "Hi! I thought we were supposed to meet at the Outback." L: "Um..... yes." K: "But?" L: "Um... I have something that I wanted to talk to you about first. You know, when you're hit by an inspiration, sometimes it just comes at you - wham, you know? And, well, sometimes you've just got to go with it, 'cause you know it's good and you know if you hesitate, then you might lose it. So that's what happened to me this very afternoon. I was hit by an inspiration and so I had to go with it, and I'm not sure you're going to be happy with the inspiration I was struck by - it might seem a little impulsive perhaps, perhaps a little insensitive. But when you realize what - " (Lucy has been pacing the room while talking. Kevin has also been prowling around, looking for - ) K: "Lucy, where are my paintings?" (Lucy tries to think of what to say next. Nothing suggests itself.) K: "My paintings, Lucy. The abstract ones. Did you move them?" L: "In a manner of speaking." K: "Where?" L: "The Outback." K: (in a full-voiced bellow) "MAC'S OUTBACK? You took my paintings to a public venue?" L: "I can see that you're just a little bit mad. And when I explain, though, what happened, you won't be." (The Mistress of Understatement has spoken. Kevin isn't diverted from his perch on the Mount of Righteous Indignation.) K: "Oh, no, no, wait a second. I need a clarification here. Wasn't it just this morning that you and I - *you* and *I* - had a conversation about you wanting to show my work?" (Well, actually, I think it was last night, but the point is still valid.) L: "Uh, yes, I said something like that." K: "Uh huh. And my response - wasn't it something like, 'No way'?" L: "Basically, that was implied." K: "Good. Good. Just so I'm clear. So what we have here is a major violation of privacy, not a hallucination on my part?" L: "Uh..... more or less." K: "Good. Good. Just so I'm clear. Now, please, explain." L: "Okay. See, there I was at the Outback this afternoon, and there was this PR guy - " K: (positively DRIPPING with sarcasm) "Ahhhh." L: "And he was being really a jerk, and he was saying that the Outback had no ambience - it wasn't arty enough. And so I thought - art! Kevin! And then I thought, well, why not?" K: "Why not? Perhaps because it was against my express wishes?" L: "But, Doc, they are good, they are." K: "Are they? Would you like to tell me what it is you like about them? No, no, no, don't stop there. Tell me what the hell they're about?" L: "Don't you know?" K: "Of course not." L: "But you're the artist." K: "Yes, but I told you, I paint for emotional expression. Besides, I'm normally painting in the surreal style. These are abstract, Lucy. I have no idea why I'm drawn to these particular kinds of forms, let alone what they represent, or even why I'm painting this way! But I do know this. They are deeply personal, and it scares the living hell out of me to think of them hanging on a wall during a rock concert!" L: "Okay. Then I am truly sorry." (This takes all the wind out of Kevin's sails in one big 'whoosh.' He can't think of a thing to say, other than - ) K: "Apology accepted." L: "But, but I believe you're being way too modest. I think the paintings are good, and I think you're good, and I think deep down in your heart you know that too. So those paintings are hanging at the Outback and they're going to be seen there tonight." K: "In other words, you're sorry, but you're still right." L: "Yes. And - all I'm sorry about is the timing. I'm sorry that it comes during this whole stalker situation. And - well, are you sure that Mac really believes that Tom is Felicia's stalker?" K: "Of course, Felicia doesn't see it that way." L: "How could she? How could you even try to accept the fact that the person that you sleep with, the person that you love and you trust is actually trying to hurt you? Oh, boy, I really hope Mac is wrong." K: "I don't think so." (Kevin's voice is so melancholy and so far away. Lucy decides definitive action is necessary.) L: "Okay, that is it, bub." K: "Bub? You know how I hate being called 'bub'." L: "Well, gee, bub, had to shock you out of it somehow. We're going to the Outback. We're going to have fun. We're going to listen to music. And you are going to confront your public. And I bet you by the end of the evening, everybody's going to be asking who painted those wonderful paintings." K: "You're on." L: "I am?" K: "Yes, because I'm willing to bet that no one says a single word about those paintings all night." L: "Okay, then tell me, sir. What is your wager?" K: "Services rendered." (Oh, that wicked glint in his eye!) L: "My favorite stakes." (It's not hard to see why! They both laugh, and some kissing ensues.) Later they're at the Outback at a table. L: "Okay, when Ned gets up there and does his little thingie, whatever he does, I want you to pay attention." K: "Why?" L: "Because he's a perfect example that you can pursue your dream and keep your day job at the same time. Look at him - I have dealt with him professionally. He is a corporate shark, and that's being very kind. But he still is trying to get up there and express his passion, bare his soul." K: "And I should find this encouraging." L: "Well, don't you? If he can do it, Doc, you can too." K: "Lucy, the big difference here is that the people in this room actually want to hear Ned sing. No one cares about my paintings." L: "I do." K: "Ah, you're in love with me." L: "And don't you ever forget it, bub." (Kevin gives her a divinely crooked grin.) Later, Kevin walks into the Outback to find Lucy deep in discussion about Jacks Cosmetics with Robin, Sonny, and Jason. Lucy: "Oh, hello there! Where were you - I was looking all over for you." Kevin: "I wanted to get a breath of fresh air." Sonny: "Well, Ned's music has that effect on people." (Everybody laughs.) Lucy: "No, I don't think it was the singing, actually. I think it's that my Doc's a little nervous, because it's the first time that his paintings have been on display anywhere." (Kevin gives Lucy one of those 'I can't BELIEVE you sometimes' looks.) Robin: "Yeah, I thought I recognized them." Sonny: "Yeah, I've been looking at them all night. Mother and child. That's nice." Kevin: "I beg your pardon?" Sonny: "Well, that's what they are, right? Madonna and child. That one sort of looks like Raphael, except off - halo but no person. They're good - they're real good." Kevin is fascinated. He doesn't say anything but he manages an embarrassed smile. Sonny and Robin leave an astonished Kevin and Lucy behind. L: "What he said, was he right?" K: "He's right." Later we see a heartbreaking shot of Sonny, alone in the Outback, gazing at one of the paintings. (If you've forgotten, this was just a few months after Sonny's pregnant wife Lily was blown up by a car bomb.) This was a wonderful way to allow two storylines to intersect to the benefit of both. But I digress. Our heroes are arriving back at the lighthouse. K: "So, Sonny Corinthos is an art critic." L: "Yeah, or a psychiatrist. Tell me something. How do you think he knew what your paintings were about before you did? Never mind. I know how - every time I look into that man's eyes, every time I do that I just want to count my blessings, starting with you." (Kiss) "So, see, tonight wasn't so bad, was it?" K: "No, not at all. Once I got over the initial panic attack, it was actually quite enjoyable. But that reminds me - isn't it time to settle up our bet?" L: "Ooh, well, how very nice of you to remind me. Services rendered, wasn't it?" K: "That's right, so pay up." (Kevin goes over by the couch.) L: "Wait a minute! No way! I won. Sonny mentioned the paintings." K: "No, the bet was someone had to ask who painted them, and you raised the issue." L: "No, no, no, no. The bet was that someone had to say a word about the paintings, and Sonny said more than one. In fact, he said twice as many words as he usually does, so that means I think you should pay double." K: "And what if I refuse to pay?" (Kevin sits down on the couch.) L: "Oh, hmm. Well then I guess I'd have to refuse to pay. Then what fun would that be?" K: "We could both pay." (Who could refuse anyone with that expression in those eyes? Certainly not Lucy. She slowly moves over to the couch and sits down next to him.) L: "I think I do like that much, much better." (The gleam in Kevin's eye and his smile should be controlled substances.) L: "So, who goes first?" Kevin quirks one eyebrow. Lucy giggles. They slowly, laughingly, lean toward each other. They meet in the middle and kiss. The end! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Married Life Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:52:59 -0400 At 02:11 PM 7/9/98 EDT, Tanya wrote: >I was just thinking about this and thought I'd post the question--I love the >charm, romance, flawness and zaniess that is Kevin and Lucy's relationship but >do you think that having them settle down into married life and maybe >(hopefully) children would make them dull? As you said in the part I snipped, soap writers seem often to connect marriage and lack of interesting storylines. In K&L's case, though, there's certainly no excuse for that. necessary. Aside from a couple of additional pieces of jewelry, being married isn't going to change anything for them. They're already a family in almost every sense of the word. I'm curious about something, though. How many people think they're actually going to get married this time around? And if you don't think so, what do you think will stop them? I'm kinda rooting (I can't believe I'm saying this) for the wedding not to take place right now. There's too much stress and unhappiness in their lives, with the unsolved murders, Kevin's childhood memories, Serena's problems, and Lucy's unacknowledged role in those problems. I'd rather see the wedding be at a time when they can focus their attention and energy on it - ON SCREEN - and enjoy themselves. We see and hear these little hints - Victor in his morning coat, RSVP's arriving, and so on - but it's all half-hearted. When this all started we were hoping Mac and Felicia would back out - it would be ironic if the opposite happened instead. And I do think it's interesting that there seem to be a few more wedding-related references (Felicia in her dress, for example) happening on GH than on PC. So what do y'all think? Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: Married Life Date: 14 Jul 1998 17:12:52 EDT In a message dated 98-07-14 13:52:03 EDT, you write: << How many people think they're actually going to get married this time around? >> I asked this question once before. I'm still undecided. I have a sinking feeling that it's not going to happen. << And if you don't think so, what do you think will stop them? I'm kinda rooting (I can't believe I'm saying this) for the wedding not to take place right now. There's too much stress and unhappiness in their lives, with the unsolved murders, Kevin's childhood memories, Serena's problems, and Lucy's unacknowledged role in those problems.>> Lucy's role in Serena's accident is just too huge for a wedding to go off uneventfully IMO. My suspicious-soap nature is half-expecting Lucy's deed to be unveiled just in time to derail the wedding. I sort of agree about not wanting a wedding under these circumstances, but OTOH, as a fan of another soap couple that is still waiting for a wedding 9 years (to the day -today!) after their first love scene, I also feel like I'll take whatever wedding I can get. God forbid 5 years from now we're still waiting. Take it from me, that's plausible! << I'd rather see the wedding be at a time when they can focus their attention and energy on it - ON SCREEN - and enjoy themselves. We see and hear these little hints - Victor in his morning coat, RSVP's arriving, and so on - but it's all half-hearted. >> Agreed. We're being robbed, really. And I'd be surprised if they got married this time. What's really concerning me, however, is what a hit the character of Lucy is taking of late. She's really hard to like right now. I've got friends that positively HATE her, and that want nothing more than for Kevin to dump her. She is NOT supposed to be this hateful, IMO. I want her character fixed even more than I want K/L to be married, if that's possible. That's my $.02........ Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: Re: K&L: Married Life Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:19:41 -0400 regina wrote: >Lucy's role in Serena's accident is just too huge for a wedding to go of= f >uneventfully IMO. My suspicious-soap nature is half-expecting Lucy's de= ed to >be unveiled just in time to derail the wedding i'm absolutely convinced that's what's going to happen-- and, what's worse (bring out the tar and feathers!) that's what i'm HOPING for. i'm one of those people you mentioned who are really hating lucy these days, even though i really used to like her, and i want her to pay for how hateful she's being. not that i think serena's condition isn't making her pay, but based on her continuing behavior towards eve, lucy needs = to learn a BIG lesson from this one, one that i don't think = she'll learn (no matter HOW much she loves and cares about serena) until it affects her PERSONALLY. what i'd really like to see (bracing myself for the onslaught of flames sure to follow...) is for somehow kevin to overhear the truth right before the wedding, call lucy on it, tell her she isn't the woman he thought she was, and call off the wedding. a period of estrangement will ensue, during which lucy will somehow come to grips with her behavior, realize the error of her ways, reconcile with eve (all on her own, with no prodding from kevin and scotty), realize she needs to take a less hands-on role in scott and serena's lives (particularly scott's), and reunite with kevin a (to borrow a phrase) "better stronger lucy." IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??? :-) >I also feel like I'll take whatever wedding I can get. = not me. i'd really rather see them not get married at all than get married with this still hanging between them. since we all know it WILL come out at some point, i'd rather get it over with BEFORE the wedding than after. >She is NOT supposed to be this hateful, IMO. I want her character >fixed even more than I want K/L to be married, if that's possible. That= 's my >$.02........ i agree--she's NOT supposed to be this hateful. but i really think this escapade being the straw that breaks the camel's back, as far as her and kevin's relationship is concerned, might be the only thing that can make her change. tptb have her so boxed into a corner at this point that nothing--not even serena's continued difficulties-- can make her turn herself around at this point short of a complete and drastic overhaul in her life, such as kevin dumping her would surely cause. jmo, of course! julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Married Life Date: 15 Jul 1998 15:54:01 -0400 At 05:12 PM 7/14/98 EDT, Regina wrote: >Lucy's role in Serena's accident is just too huge for a wedding to go off >uneventfully IMO. My suspicious-soap nature is half-expecting Lucy's deed to >be unveiled just in time to derail the wedding. I think there's another possibility too. Now that we know that Kevin's character was a murder victim in the book, it's possible that there could be an attempt on his life at the wedding. If attempted violence prevented K&L getting married, and Mac and Felicia got married instead, there would be a certain irony in that, given what happened at Mac and Felicia's last wedding..... (And here I'm assuming that Mac and Felicia definitely *are* getting married, because it looks that way to me). Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Oh. My. Gods. Date: 18 Jul 1998 17:04:28 -0700 Unreal. Since 1994 I've been waiting for K&L to get married. Almost FOUR years I've been waiting for this day. And then, when it finally happens, I choose TODAY to have a total cognitave lapse and FORGET to set my VCR. Can someone please, please, please take pity on my stupidity and get me a copy? Please contact me privately at taiyin@taiyin.net Oy. What a bozo. Taiyin, kicking herself over and over and over again... "I was thinking about us in the kitchen." --"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, there are all those free-standing appliances." --Lucy and Kevin, "GH" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Oh. My. Gods. Date: 18 Jul 1998 17:08:18 -0700 At 05:04 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Taiyin wrote: >Unreal. Since 1994 I've been waiting for K&L to get married. Almost FOUR >years I've been waiting for this day. And then, when it finally happens, I >choose TODAY to have a total cognitave lapse and FORGET to set my VCR. Nevermind. Obviously I got my dates mixed up. My karma isn't as bad as I thought it was. Geez. Taiyin "I was thinking about us in the kitchen." --"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, there are all those free-standing appliances." --Lucy and Kevin, "GH" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barbara Cullen Subject: K&L: RE:wedding Date: 19 Jul 1998 10:38:59 -0400 s p o i l e r s p a c e I am reading that Eve comes to the wedding with a surprise for Lucy do you guys think she will ruin the wedding and Kevin and Lucy's relationship forever. Or will Lucy finally come forward and tell the truth and they still get married. I know Lucy did siphon the gas out of the car and that was wrong. Also taking it out on Eve was wrong but Eve was also being very cold-hearted toward Lucy when it came to Serena. You also have to admit coming to the wedding is cruel especially since Kevin is supposedly her friend. I am beginning to believe that Eve is nobody's friend. As for Eve and Scott if they do get back together it will be because they still care for each other. Hopefully no one interfere with that if they do(fingers crossed). But Scott may still not trust Eve since she did walk away from the car with Serena inside. Tracey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: A special offer for K/L transcript fans Date: 19 Jul 1998 18:45:38 -0400 Hello all! What with Lucy's fall from the audience's grace on PC, and the possible repercussions for Kevin and Lucy's relationship once he finds out what she has done, we may all want to wallow in the past a little bit over the next few months, so I thought I'd make the following offer. I've had requests from several of you over the past few months who want to get back Kevin/Lucy transcripts which were posted to the list before you joined it, or who were keeping transcripts but lost them in a disk crash, or whatever. I have created a self-extracting ".EXE" file containing all of the 1994 K/L transcripts I posted to this list between August 1997 and May 1998. The "classic" scene transcripts are available on the Web (see Taiyin's or Jamila's Web pages); if you want the complete set for 1994, and if you know how to download binary attachments to your PC, e-mail me privately at "rika1@mindspring.com" (i.e., don't reply to the list with your request - the rest of the list doesn't need to get your message). I'll send you the file (about 200kb). I don't have a Macintosh version of the file. When we're done with 1996, I'll create a similar file of those transcripts. I don't have electronic copies of the 1995 transcripts, so I can't help you there, but the last time I checked, most of them were available on the Web. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and the Weight of the World Date: 22 Jul 1998 16:57:06 -0400 In transcript-land we're heading into dark days for Kevin and Lucy. Unfortunate timing. Sigh..... Anyway, here's the transcript for the week, a few days late. Rika --------------------- Kevin, Lucy, and the Weight of the World - August 12, 1996 Kevin has been visiting Felicia, who received another threatening phone call from Tom. Lucy is at the lighthouse, reading Kevin's book "Artist or Madman." She glares at the telephone, either willing it to ring or wanting to make a call herself. She starts to reach for it, and then stops herself. L: "No, you'll only make things worse. Call, Doc, please call!" (She sits back on the couch, nervous and fidgety. Kevin walks in the door.) L: "Kevin! Hi!" (He walks in, looking distracted. There is a profound weariness, even emptiness, in his eyes. He walks past Lucy, barely even making eye contact.) L: "What? What is it? Oh, my God, did something happen to Felicia?" K: "She's fine. At least, she was the last I saw her. I had to leave." L: "You just left her?" K: "Mac put her house under surveillance. Besides, I think she needs some time alone to process what's happened." L: "How is she?" (Kevin goes into the kitchen and starts dishing up dinner. Lucy helps him.) K: "She's worried about Tom, mainly. Who can blame her? She loves the man. She sees all this as one big cry for help instead of any manifestation of a real desire to hurt her." L: "And do you agree?" K: "I don't know. Tom's a friend. I still have a side of me that finds it impossible to believe that he'd do anything like this." L: "I know, Doc, but...." K: "But. Mac's sure. And Tom called twice today threatening her. You know, he's following all the classic patterns. What starts out as harrassment turns to terror, and then ultimately that turns into violence." (They sit down at the dining table to eat.) L: "Poor Felicia." K: "She'll be all right. At least she has Mac." L: "And you. But I'm still not really clear why you just left her." K: "Because she doesn't need a babysitter. After the violation that she's experienced, she needs to have some control over her life. Besides, I was called away on a professional capacity." L: "Can't the world do without my Doc for just five minutes?" K: "Not lately." (This last sounds so plaintive. Lucy has been watching Kevin with concern since he walked in the door; at this point she puts down her fork and lets out a big sigh.) L: "Okay, so what happened?" K: "Well, now you're stepping on those tricky professional ethics of mine. Am I allowed to tell you, even though you don't know the patient's name and it's really unlikely you'd ever meet her, or should I just play it safe? I'm too tired to wrestle with it tonight; I think I'll just go with what works." L: "I understand." K: "I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you because I think it's good that you know what goes on inside my head. And this is a very difficult case. An 18-year-old girl. Her parents had her committed. Why? Because she's exhibiting suicidal tendencies, paranoia....." (Kevin grimaces and rubs his temples - he clearly has a bad headache.) L: "Stop. That's enough. Enough. I am so glad that Felicia decided to send you home or whatever happened, or sent you to work so that you could come home. Doc, you're driving yourself into the ground. You're trying to carry the weight of the whole world on your shoulders, and it is hurting me so much to watch you try this." K: "I'm just going through a rough patch." (Kevin's eyes are dark and grim.) L: "No. You've been saying that and saying that, and it's not getting any better. You are pushing yourself way too hard. Remember last night?" K: "Vaguely." L: "The bet?" (No response.) L: "About the paintings!" K: "Oh, right, right. It was services rendered." (He says this in an offhand way, almost as though he *doesn't* remember the payoff. Lucy is concerned.) L: "Right. And even though I won - " K: "You won?" (Now he's sounding a little more like himself. Lucy stands up and walks around the table to stand behind him.) L: "Yes, even though I won, I am willing to perhaps perform one or two other services. Like, how about a world-famous Lucy Coe backrub, guaranteed to melt all your troubles away." (She begins to massage his neck and shoulders.) K: "That sounds appealing." L: "Just appealing?" K: "Irresistable." (He even smiles a bit.) L: "That's better." (She leans over to kiss him and then continues the backrub.) K: "That's much better, Lucy. Thank you." L: "Any time." (The backrub contines, but then the Phone of Doom rings. Kevin lets out a sort of annoyed grunt.) L: "No, just leave it." K: "I can't leave it." L: "Leave it, Doc." K: "I can't leave it." (Kevin gets up and answers the phone. It's Mac, reporting that Tom is at the Brownstone. He wants Kevin's help dealing with Tom.) Kevin leaves; while he's gone, Gina (Kevin's teaching assistant for the Abnormal Psych class he's teaching, and also Stone Cates's sister) arrives looking for Kevin. Lucy is surprised to note how nervous Gina is about pleasing Kevin, and how frightened she seems to be of his disapproval. She tries to reassure Gina. Meanwhile, Kevin and Mac visit Tom and Felicia. Mac explains all of the reasons why he thinks Tom has been stalking Felicia; Tom denies trashing Felicia's apartment, diverting her mail, or making threatening phone calls. Suddenly, the phone rings. The answering machine picks it up, and we hear Tom's voice leaving another semi-threatening message. Felicia points out the obvious - it couldn't be Tom leaving the message when he's standing in the room with them. (Back home, Kevin is telling Lucy about it.) K: "Apparently, Felicia started off by holding a gun on him. But by the time we got there, he'd convinced her that he was being framed." L: "And how did Mac handle it?" K: "With great restraint. Understandably, Tom was in a less than cooperative mood. Felicia wouldn't hear a word against him, and the call simply reinforced her faith. She never wanted to believe that Tom was the stalker in the first place, and now she believes that there's proof of his innocence." L: "And what do you think?" Kevin doesn't answer. And.... out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: K&L: Transcripts Date: 23 Jul 1998 01:21:21 -0500 Hi gang, I thought I would pass this addy along, its been a life saver when I've forgotten to tape PC. http://members.tripod.com/~PCTranscripts/ Here you will find a word for word transcript of PC each day. As captured by my friends sound card. Debi -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "come visit" (ë¿ë) ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Ultimate Links Page Date: 24 Jul 1998 23:51:48 -0700 Apologies to those of you on both lists who are getting this twice. Cross-posting is a no-no, but list moms are occasionally afforded certain privledges. So don't try this at home. ;-) This is an FYI and a general request for assistance: Due to demands of work and school, I am totally unable to continue keeping up with the demands of running the Ultimate Links Page on my own (and as many people can attest, I have been for some time. Mea culpa.). So, I have finally come to the conclusion that I have two alternatives: either close the page or get some help. Now, I don't want to close the site. And, judging by the weekly traffic, that would probably not be most people's first choice. So, what I'm doing right now is asking for some people who are familiar with HTML coding, and who have the time and inclination to do the work, to volunteer to give me a hand keeping the site updated on a weekly basis. Because the site is on my domain, I will be the only person doing the physical uploading. What I need every week for volunteers to send me a revised list of links for each page. I need people who can constantly check current links to make sure they are still active and to keep their eyes open for new links and web rings to be added to the collection. In order to do this I will need a minimum of 5 volunteers, though I would prefer at least a dozen. Duties will be broken down accordingly: "General" GH/PC Sites "Family" sites (Scorpio, Quartermaine, Spencer, Cassadine, Scanlon, Baldwin, Collins, etc. This category not only contains sites about the whole family, but about each member of the families as well.) GH Couples PC Couples Fanfiction Sites Medical Professionals Men Women Humor Misc. (any site that doesn't fall into any of the above categories) Generic Soap Links (not sites devoted to other shows, but just general soap opera links) Some of these categories are ones that I have not added to the site yet ("Humor" and "Women" for example), but they are ones that I have wanted to add for quite some time. I am not necessarily looking for one person to handle each of these categories (though, considering how big a job this can be, it would be my first choice). But I need these bases covered by someone reliable. And, frankly, I would like to divide up some of these categories (especially "Families" and "Couples") even more specifically. I am sent anywhere from 20-50 emails per week informing me of new links that someone wants added to the page. I just cannot keep up alone. I need help verifying that the URL is correct, and checking out the page to make sure it is not only there, but that it belongs in whichever category. I can be as helpful as possible in making this process as smoothe as possible, I just can't do it all myself anymore. If you are interested in helping me keep the Ultimate Links Page up and running, please email me at taiyin@taiyin.net and tell me which category you would like to be responsible for, and we can work out specifics then. If I can't find enough assistants to help me effectively and efficiently manage the Ultimate Links Page, I will close the site down on Labor Day Weekend. The site is located at http://www.taiyin.net/links/ in case anyone wants to check it out and hasn't seen it before. And if you are interested, please be sure to contact me OFF LIST. Thanks! Taiyin "Thanks. I'll give you my first born child." -- "Don't threaten me or I will change my mind." -- Eve and Chris, Port Charles - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: K/L: TV Gen Scoops Date: 24 Jul 1998 09:05:17 EDT Don't Read This If You Don't Want To Know. By The Way, Is it okay to copy scoops to this list from a web site ? Oh well, hope I'm not breaking a rule - here goes: As I have the miserable misfortune today of my VCR going on the fritz (ATE another tape - A K/L tape, no less! GRRRRR!) I just had to go visit the TV Gen web site for their regular Friday update on the soaps. (for those that are interested, here's the link: "TV Guide Entertainment Network presents Soap... if you keep reading and keep clicking on "more" eventually you get scoops for the upcoming week) I don't think this will surprise any of us, & I know that in the long run we need Lucy to get this wake-up call, but even so this will not be fun. I just hope that I can manage to get to my mom's house today and tape today's portion of this debacle on her VCR: << Lucy is left standing at the altar when Eve arrives as the minister asks for objections. Eve shows Kevin the surveillance photos, and he tells Lucy the wedding is off. As if that isn't bad enough, Scott accuses Lucy of being behind Eve's running out of gas. He takes Serena and leaves the chapel. Kevin asks Lucy to move out of the Lighthouse. Lucy visits Scott and Serena at the Firehouse and Serena tries to make things right between Lucy and Scott. Scott won't have any part of it and tells Lucy to stay away. Joe cooks dinner for Karen, and during a game of Twister he proposes. Frank's dependence on DL-56 continues. Kevin and Lucy desperately miss each other but neither can pick up the phone and call. The killer confesses on Port Charles radio and announces that another murder is imminent.>> Just as I suspected, Lucy's comeuppance begins on her supposed wedding-day. I know she needs this, but god I am not looking forward to it. As good as Jon/Lin are, I know they're going to have my heart thumpin' today. I can see the pain & betrayal in Kevin's eyes already. And is Lucy finally going to be repentant, or will she actually have the nerve to remain in denial for a while longer? What a way to go into the weekend: my vcr ate my K/L #1 tape, K/L are NOT getting married today or Monday, & Kevin's eyes are going to be heartbreaking. Somebody please cheer me up...... Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: K/L: TV Gen Scoops Date: 24 Jul 1998 09:04:59 -0500 (CDT) Keeping the spoiler space in just for safety sake. I apologize in advance for the length of my reply, but the english/radio&television major in me just had to analyze and comment on this affair and the this post gave me the opportunity I've been needing. On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 ReginaL402@aol.com wrote: > Don't > Read > This > If > You > Don't > Want > To > Know. > By > The > Way, > Is it okay to copy scoops to this list from a web site ? > Oh well, hope I'm not breaking a rule - here goes: > > Just as I suspected, Lucy's comeuppance begins on her supposed wedding-day. I > know she needs this, but god I am not looking forward to it. As good as > Jon/Lin are, I know they're going to have my heart thumpin' today. I can see > the pain & betrayal in Kevin's eyes already. And is Lucy finally going to be > repentant, or will she actually have the nerve to remain in denial for a while > longer? > Somebody please cheer me up...... Well, for starters, think of it this way. If you're not a huge fan of Eve you can hold ont othe hope that she'll be outcasted as much as Lucy in a short amount of time. At least through the wonder of Lucy Logic, Lucy thinks everything she's been doing is for a good cause. She sees Eve as a true threat to Serena for various reasons. While my logic teacher would probably have a field day trying to prove the Lucy Logic argument of that since Eve was a hooker, and Devlin was investigating her to stop the lawsuit it follow that Eve is the General Homicide Killer, it does make some sense. There's all sorts of evidence, circumstantial or not, piling up around Eve and there's the known past of her being a golddigger of sorts when it comes to Devlin. Eve on the other hand has no noble intentions in any of her actions. From the start of this was Eve has bee nothing but malicious and downright cruel at some parts. Not that Lucy is a paragon of all that is good, but I think there is a distinct difference between sucking the gas out of a car and making a past victim of poison think she's being poisoned or making her believe she's the next victim of a serial killer. Eve doesn't seem to care about any of the innocent bodies she leaves in the wake of this feud. Even if it's to herself Lucy has great gobs of guilt over what happened to Serena. Kevin is going to be the real victim in all of this, as he has been in all of Eve's little stunts. While I think Lucy needs this wake-up call, doing so at the expense of one of the *two* real friends Eve's got in this town is not a smart move. Kevin has gone above and beyond the call of friendship to try and keep the peace between Eve and Lucy and Eve and Scott. If it hadn't been for Kevin Eve would still probably be banned from seeing Serena. I'm hoping that somewhere shortly during the aftermath of this someone is gonna take Eve aside and just rip into her for what she's done to Kevin in all of this. And I'm placing my money on Lucy. If Eve thought Lucy was bad protecting Scott and Serena she hasn't seen anything till she witnesses Lucy in full anger/Kevin protection mode. As for Lucy, like I said earlier this is the wake-up call she needed. I hesitate to use comeuppance since she's done far worse things for far less noble reasons. But she does need to finally see that she's putting Scott ahead of Kevin and what better way than to be left at the altar because of Scott via Eve. This also falls nicely into what Lynn Latham was talking about early on in her reign when she said she wanted to deal with this wonky triangle. Lucy needs to finally let go of Scott once and for all before she can marry Kevin and Kevin needs to see Lucy letting go. And in the end this is what makes Kevin and Lucy a supercouple while Scott and Eve are just a hormonal flash in the pan. Kevin's mad at Lucy, but soon enough they'll find their way back to one another stronger than before. They'll work past this and end up at the altar, once again proving the depths of true love and showing Eve that her little attempt at revenge failed to do its job. Eve on the other hand will probably still be single or getting yelled at by Scott in between bouts of frantic lovemaking that makes you want to hurl, I'm not sure which is a worse fate for her. I'll place my odds on the table right now that by the middle of August Kevin and Lucy will be living together again and I'm thinking a nice November sweeps wedding is on the menu. Add to that a proposal from Lucy to Kevin for marriage, making the grand total of proposals between the two of them six, maybe a nice getting down on one knee in a public place holding out what would've been his wedding ring deal. -Nicole Catch the hottest production duo to hit the scene since Lawrence Bender and Quentin Tarantino. Come visit Galactic Productions on the web at http://www.galactic-productions.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: K/L: TV Gen Scoops Date: 24 Jul 1998 11:30:31 EDT In a message dated 98-07-24 10:05:17 EDT, you write: << Eve on the other hand has no noble intentions in any of her actions. From the start of this was Eve has bee nothing but malicious and downright cruel at some parts. Not that Lucy is a paragon of all that is good, but I think there is a distinct difference between sucking the gas out of a car and making a past victim of poison think she's being poisoned or making her believe she's the next victim of a serial killer. Eve doesn't seem to care about any of the innocent bodies she leaves in the wake of this feud. Even if it's to herself Lucy has great gobs of guilt over what happened to Serena. >> This is true. Actually, I do like Eve, but you make a good point about her motives. She did go overboard, and for reasons less noble, albeit more emotionally honest, than Lucy's. <> It's what this will do to Kevin that's really bothering me. He IS such a victim here, as you said. It broke my heart when Lucy looked him in the eye and lied the other day. There goes trust, right out the window. But as you've pointed out, Eve gets some blame here too. <> It's been a while since we've seen that. That would be real nice. <> You're right; intellectually I know that. I think I'm rather like a kid that knows the medicine will make her feel better, but still is dreading how awful it's going to taste . <> I needed that that . << Eve on the other hand will probably still be single or getting yelled at by Scott in between bouts of frantic lovemaking that makes you want to hurl, I'm not sure which is a worse fate for her.>> Okay, sorry but I have to admit I actually like those 2 together. << I'll place my odds on the table right now that by the middle of August Kevin and Lucy will be living together again and I'm thinking a nice November sweeps wedding is on the menu. Add to that a proposal from Lucy to Kevin for marriage, making the grand total of proposals between the two of them six, maybe a nice getting down on one knee in a public place holding out what would've been his wedding ring deal.>> Ahhhhh yes. Can we perchance get you a job as a writer for PC? Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: TV Gen Scoops-my mistake Date: 24 Jul 1998 11:53:19 EDT Wow I just noticed I didn't include scoop spoiler space in my last response on this topic!! In retrospect, I don't believe that my answer reveals anything in that first paragraph (which was a copy/paste), so I think I've escaped committing any real harm. I lost my focus on the thread-as-scoop when we started discussing the Eve/Lucy feud. But I extend my apologies to the list nevertheless. I should have been more careful..... Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: K&L: today's ep Date: 24 Jul 1998 13:31:16 -0400 really sorry for the cross-post--i know it's against the rules. but since people on both lists mentioned vcr problems i thought i'd extend the offer to everyone. i have today's pc on tape, and will have today's gh and both episodes from monday (as soon as they air--major electrical calamity notwithstanding)...so, if anyone is desperate i'd be happy to make you a copy and send it to you if you want. (i've received so many kind offers in the past when it's been MY vcr on the blink, i'd be happy to return the favor!) just let me know if you want (jesaker@compuserve.com) also, for the person who asked about today's pc ep... you didn't miss an awful lot in terms of plot--lots of kevin and lucy stuff about married life (including = attempts by each to make them look as hideous as possible, as a warning of possible things to come-- that's where the pig boxers came in), some frank/julie/ courtney stuff, where it was revealed that courtney has some deep dark secret on frank. and eve got still photos from the surveillance camera that she intends to put to good use. also chris and eve tried to have a fun evening together, which ended badly when eve pressed chris for details about his past loves--he wasn't talking and got pretty pissed. that's about all i can remember. we're up to wedding morning though, so i suppose gh will be more substantive. off to await gh! julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kowalski Subject: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 25 Jul 1998 03:38:19 -0500 (CDT) Adding spoiler space since I'll be discussing Friday's PC and I won't automatically assume you've all seen it just yet. I N T R O D U C I N G E V E Logic. That's right folks, now besides your standard set of logic rules, and Lucy Logic ABC now proudly introduces a third standard known as Eve Logic. Here's how it goes and how it slightly differs from Lucy Logic. As we all know as faithful Lucy Logic students any crazy scheme or plan is immediately justified by the statement, "I'm doing this to protect (fill in the blank)". Whether it's sucking gas out of a car, marrying a psycho, stealing and reselling cocaine, or plotting jail breaks it's all for some greater noble purpose, at least in her mind. We may not fully agree with the reasoning or motivation, but from day one you know why Lucy is doing what she's doing. Eve Logic is a slight variation upon Lucy Logic with the added element off outright maliciousness with what appears to be half-hearted concern tossed in near the end to create the sense of nobility. All during this great PC Feud of '98 we've had Eve constantly attempting to one up Lucy in the battle of who can be the greater schemer. Eve, unwilling to take the high road and just walk away, has opted to sink to depths lower than Lucy. Never once has Eve tried to justify her actions towards Lucy as anything other than pure revenge, until today. Now all of a sudden she's doing it to protect Kevin. The basic statement in any Eve Logic argument will then go like this, "I'm going to publically humiliate one human being to the point of laughing stock or town pariah so I can get a little bit of revenge. Oh, and to protect their loved ones from them as well." This allows for the whole Devlin sex tape to factored in as well. This is the part of Eve Logic that really puts my pig shorts in a twist and makes me want to spit out my pork rinds. I could buy the Kevin protection part of the argument if she'd been saying it all along. If at some point in the search for the truth behind the accident she had told Chris or someone that she was also doing this to keep Kevin from marrying the wrong woman I'd be somewhat cool with this. Note not totally since I think you'd have to be an idiot not to realize that if Kevin hasn't left Lucy after nearly five years of dating he's not going to leave her now. But I'd give her a slight benefit of the doubt since she's only really known them for eight months, and has missed out on all the past exploits of Kevin and Lucy. At this point her saying she's trying to protect Kevin seems like an after thought, like 'Man, I need some kind of reason to justify ruining this event that he's been looking forward to for as long as I can remember. I'll say I'm trying to protect him and hope that buys me enough time to get out of the church without being stoned to death.'. -Nicole "Mmm.....pork rinds." -Kevin Collins, 7/24/98 PC - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 25 Jul 1998 12:17:27 -0400 nicole wrote: >Eve Logic is a slight variation upon Lucy Logic with the added element o= ff >outright maliciousness with what appears to be half-hearted concern toss= ed >in near the end to create the sense of nobility well...i HALF agree. i agree that her late decision that she's = doing this for kevin is completely lame--but i see more to her actions than outright maliciousness. i see it more = as protecting HERSELF. let's face it--lucy has forced the man she loves to break all contact with her, has blamed her for a devastating accident that lucy herself played a very large part in, has informed the whole world about her less-than-illustrious past, and has accused her to = everyone who would listen, including the police, of being a murderer to boot. would you just walk away and let her smear your name through the mud? I sure wouldn't. plus, keep in mind that lucy DID lie to kevin, which i think is something he SHOULD know about before he marries her. so my main problem with what's to come isn't that she's being cruel to lucy, because i FIRMLY believe lucy deserves everything that's coming to her. or that she's going to hurt kevin in the process, because i think, in face of his blind faith in lucy demonstrated in his conversation with eve, he SHOULD learn just how far she can still go. my main problem is that she's (presumably) going to be doing all of this in front of = serena--and i don't think that's something eve's even given any thought to. but i think it would be pretty devastating for serena to hear such awful things (however true) about her hero lucy, on a day she'd been looking forward to so much. just my two cents! julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 25 Jul 1998 14:28:41 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Julie E. Saker wrote: > well...i HALF agree. i agree that her late decision that she's > doing this for kevin is completely lame--but i see more to > her actions than outright maliciousness. i see it more > as protecting HERSELF. Well, I agree with this to a degree. I definately think it started as a defense reaction. I'll allow the whole poisoning and mock-murder bits to be attributed to Eve trying to defend herself. But there's a point where defense turns into something more along the malicious vein and this is it. Lucy is no paragon of virtue, but she also has never gone out of her way to purposefully publically humiliate Eve. Lucy firmly believes that Eve is the killer, and with the circumstantial evidence you can't blame her anymore than you can blame Garcia for thinking it's Julie. You hit the nail on the head when you mention Serena, a portion of the Eve Logic equation I hadn't touched yet. Eve is not only doing a number on Kevin but also Serena ina public fashion that neither of them deserve. I love Eve and realize Lucy needs a wake-up call, but I also wish someone would pull a deus ex machina by taking Eve off to the side and with the aid of charts show how this is only going to come back and haunt her later on. Unless Lucy has a complete personality overhaul as a result of this she's going to go after Eve like a bat out of hell. > plus, keep in mind that lucy DID lie to kevin, which i think > is something he SHOULD know about before he marries > her. See, if you're referring to the scene this week, technically Lucy did not lie to Kevin. He asks her if she had anything to do with Eve's car running out of gas to which she replies she had nothing to do with Serena's accident. So, in actuality, she sidestepped Kevin's question entirely and to a degree told the truth. Yes, she sucked gas out of Eve's car, but she didn't tell Eve to leave the car, nor did she knock the brake off. Those happened all out of Lucy's sphere of control. In theory, if Eve had never left the car the accident itself would never have happened. Lucy did not in asmuch lie as she failed to volunteer information, something which Kevin admitted that Lucy does. She walks a fine line in that depending upon how strict one interprets Lucy's answer in relation to the situation as a whole. -Nicole "Who knew pork rinds could be such an aphrodisiac?" -Kevin to Lucy, 7/24/98 PC - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 25 Jul 1998 16:17:46 -0400 At 12:17 PM 7/25/98 -0400, Julie wrote: I don't think there's anything in her that we all don't already know, but since we're talking in part about something that is going to happen on Monday: S P O I L E R S P A C E Let me say before I begin that I agree with about half of what Julie has said (just as she agreed with about half of what Nicole had said), but one thing I wouldn't want this discussion to turn into is a Lucy vs. Eve contest. One of the problems I've had with the discussions of the two of them on RATSA is that it has degenerated into a simplistic (and pointless) "Lucy is evil; Eve is virtuous" dichotomy. So let me clearly state at the outset that I think Lucy and Eve are *both* despicable at the moment, and in surprisingly similar ways. >i see it more as protecting HERSELF. let's face it--lucy has forced the >man she loves to break all contact with her, I agree only to the extent that Lucy's gas-siphoning contributed to the accident, which then caused Scott to break contact. Eve even said something to that effect to Chris. Regardless of what Lucy did, Eve still left Serena alone in the car, which directly caused the accident, and that's the part Scott kept harping on. Mind you, I don't condemn Eve for that - I think many of us might have done the same thing, given that Eve didn't stray far from the car and that she needed to flag down help. But Scott isn't precisely a rational, logical person, especially where Serena is concerned, so I doubt he would have been capable of such nuanced reasoning in the aftermath of the accident. Heck, even Lee Baldwin raked Eve over the coals for getting out of the car! So I think Scott and Eve were toast - at least temporarily - even if Lucy had penitently confessed everything right after the accident. >has blamed her for a devastating accident that lucy herself played a >very large part in, Yes. I actually think this is the worst thing Lucy has done. I was hoping that Lucy would go easy on Eve after the accident out of her own guilt, instead of being so hard on Eve in an attempt to stay in denial about her own role. That might have been very interesting. Eve definitely gained redemption points by accepting responsibility. Then again, she didn't really have much choice in the matter. If their roles had been reversed, and if Lucy had been the one getting all the blame, I'm not 100% convinced that Eve would have stepped up and claimed her share of the responsibility. She proved herself not to be above dirty tricks back before the Nurses' Ball. So I'm not sure how different they are from one another on this score. >has informed the whole world about her less-than-illustrious past, You're going to have to remind me of when Lucy did that. I remember Lucy telling three people: Kevin, Scott, and Garcia. It got into the papers (probably through a leak at the PCPD), which is how most people found out. I don't recall any evidence that Lucy was responsible for that; maybe I've forgotten something that we saw. That's one of the contrasts I see. Lucy told Scott *privately* about Eve's past. She did not make some grandstand play, like announcing the news at the Nurses' Ball (which still wouldn't have been as damaging as what Eve is about to do). Eve is not affording Kevin the same courtesy. But more on that later. >and has accused her to everyone who would listen, including the police, >of being a murderer to boot. True, and Lucy's gotten mighty obnoxious on this front. She did, though, learn some worrisome things about Eve right after the murder - Eve's motive (in terms of her argument with Devlin), the bracelet by his body, the fact that Devlin was having Eve investigated, and then the conversation (and kiss) between Eve and Chris that Lucy overheard/saw. Eve's alibi for Devlin's murder also seemed pretty shaky to those who heard it (and of course we know it's a lie). There's no question that Lucy was LOOKING for reasons to suspect Eve, but the fact remains that some valid reasons existed. Even Scott suspected Eve at first, enough so that they temporarily broke up over it. If Scott hadn't hidden the bracelet from the police, Eve was probably almost as likely to be arrested for Devlin's murder as Julie. So while Lucy absolutely, positively, went WAY over the line in this area, some degree of suspicion on her part - and a desire to protect Serena from a possible murderer - wasn't unreasonable, in my opinion. >would you just walk away and let her smear your name through the mud? I >sure wouldn't. No, I wouldn't either. But I also don't think I'd walk in and break up the wedding of a friend (Kevin) - and also of two strangers (Mac and Filly). >plus, keep in mind that lucy DID lie to kevin, which i think >is something he SHOULD know about before he marries her. I agree, and I'm sure that it's going to be Lucy's lie, not the fact that she siphoned the gas, that will devastate Kevin. I think if Lucy had confessed the truth to him, he would have forgiven her and stood by her. It's the lie that betrayed the trust between them - both because now he can't trust her to tell the truth, and because she didn't trust him enough to be honest with him. I don't have a problem with Eve going to Kevin with this information, just with her choice of venue. She could have taken the videotape to him privately before the wedding (either the night before, instead of feasting on salmon en croute, or the morning of). Then, after Kevin had a chance to deal with the shock and to make a decision about his future with Lucy, Eve could have found some other public forum to embarrass Lucy, if she felt it necessary. She could probably have pressed charges against Lucy for petty theft based on the evidence on the tape; that would have made the papers and would have been a pretty big embarrassment. Kevin would have been in pain no matter what, and that's Lucy's fault, but Eve is making his pain as great and as humiliating as possible. Kevin deserves better from Eve; he was the *first* person to offer her support after the accident. I still remember her sobbing, "Thank you," in his embrace, and I can't justify her returning the favor in this way. >my main problem is that she's (presumably) going to be doing all of this in >front of serena--and i don't think that's something eve's even given >any thought to. A good point. Who else suffers besides Kevin and Lucy? Serena, as you point out, might be one victim. And Scott deserves better than to hear this sort of news in such a public way; think how terrible this is going to be for him, given his long friendship with Lucy. And how about the *other* bride and groom in the wedding? Setting aside all of the other issues for Mac and Felicia (which Eve knows nothing about), mightn't this put a crimp in their day too? You said it best in the paragraph above - Eve hasn't given any thought to these things. She's focused on revenge, and she's not considering the possible consequences for innocent bystanders. And if that doesn't describe Lucy's mind-set when she siphoned the gas from Eve's car, I don't know what does. Would people still be as furious with Lucy if things had gone according to her plan? Eve would have run out of gas on the way *to* ballet. Lucy would have picked Serena up and made Eve look unreliable. Scott and Eve would probably have broken up for a while. Eve might have still found out what Lucy did, but at that point wouldn't it have been more or less in the same category with Eve's pranks against Lucy - the too-small dresses and the smoky conference room? Now, go one step further and change the smoky-conference-room thing a little bit too. Suppose Lucy had gotten seriously injured trying to get out of the room (perhaps trying to climb up to the ceiling). She might have been hurt before Chris got there to "save" her, or Chris could have been paged for a patient emergency and not been available to set Lucy free. Or suppose she'd had an asthmatic reaction to whatever created the smoke? Suppose she'd been pregnant at the time, making either of these situations even worse? Then wouldn't Eve have been more rotten, and Lucy more sympathetic? And yet the *intent* behind each action isn't a function of the consequences. That's the one place where I feel a twinge of sympathy for Lucy. Things happened which she never intended, and which she deeply regrets. It's the story of Lucy's life - she keeps doing stupid things without stopping to consider the consequences (just as I believe Eve is doing at the moment), and then she keeps having to pay for being careless and impetuous. Even though she keeps bringing these disasters on herself, it's still sad. Even in this she resembles Eve, who in general can't seem to get a break either (or, at least, that was true till she won the Quartermaine). Anyway, I'm not saying that Lucy shouldn't pay for what she did. But I think Eve isn't much better. This stupid catfight has brought out the worst in both of them, such that I don't care much for either one of them these days. I think there's an old saying that if you're going to start flinging mud, some of it is probably going to stick to you. Too true. How sad. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 12:54:29 -0400 nicole wrote: >See, if you're referring to the scene this week, technically Lucy did no= t >lie to Kevin. He asks her if she had anything to do with Eve's car runni= ng >out of gas to which she replies she had nothing to do with Serena's >accident. So, in actuality, she sidestepped Kevin's question entirely a= nd >to a degree told the truth. oh i TOTALLY disagree. i think what she said, while less of a lie than "i did nothing to eve's car" would have been, is still a lie nonetheless. "i had nothing to do with serena's accident" is NOT the truth. if lucy hadn't siphoned off the gas, eve's car wouldn't have died, they wouldn't have been stuck at the side of the road, eve wouldn't have gotten out of the car to flag down help, and there would have BEEN no accident. i don't hold eve blameless, but i don't at ALL see how lucy had "nothing to do with it." nor, i assume, will kevin and scott. however, i agree with a lot of what you said about eve's motivations being as malicious as lucy's at this point-- although, after eve and lucy's last scene in the hospital, when lucy was perhaps more hateful to eve than she's been yet (which is saying a LOT), i can't really say i blame eve for wanting revenge at this point. i do agree, however, for the reasons i named before (innocent bystanders like serena being hurt) that this is not exactly the best way = eve could have handled this (as much as i AM looking forward to it!). i also agree that, in all likelihood, this will come back to haunt her in a BIG way. much as i wish = this could put this whole silly catfight to an end, knowing lucy it just isn't likely. julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 12:54:26 -0400 rika wrote: >[Eve's] focused on revenge, and she's not considering the >possible consequences for innocent bystanders. And if that doesn't >describe Lucy's mind-set when she siphoned the gas from Eve's car, I don= 't >know what does. i agree--they've both been doing similar things in strikingly = similar ways, and they've BOTH been pretty despicable of late. however... >And yet the *intent* behind each action isn't a function of >the consequences. as much as i agree with that statement, i still find myself with more sympathy for eve than lucy. yes, their intents have been similar...but eve has had to pay far more dire consequences for lucy's acts going astray than vice versa. and while i can't exactly hold lucy responsible for all that (as she's been as = unthinking of possible ramifications as eve has), i can and DO hold her responsible for her ATTITUDE towards and about eve. lucy has been more hateful, both to eve and to others behind her back, than she has ANY right to be. in fact, it's my recollection (and i could be completely wrong) that lucy STARTED this = whole "catfight," way back when her sole motivation was to keep eve out of scott and serena's lives, before there was ever any murder to suspect eve of. basically, she stuck her = nose into something that wasn't at all her business (scott's relationship with eve) and wouldn't back off until she'd "won." i know, she was doing it because she was scared of losing her place in serena's life--but you know what? i don't see even that as justification for just how horrible she's been to eve. i don't remember eve doing ANYTHING to lucy before lucy started in with her attitude, which may be why i'm so more = willing to cut eve some slack. >This stupid catfight has brought out the >worst in both of them, such that I don't care much for either one of the= m >these days. = true. more than anything, i wish it would just end. but unless something COMPLETELY unexpected happens on monday, i don't see it happening anytime soon... julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400 At 12:54 PM 7/26/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >oh i TOTALLY disagree. i think what she said, while less of a lie >than "i did nothing to eve's car" would have been, is still a lie >nonetheless. "i had nothing to do with serena's accident" is NOT >the truth. I'm with Julie here. Yes, Lucy tried to leave herself wiggle room in hopes of "getting off on a technicality" by sidestepping Kevin's question. But, first off, she sidestepped the question in a clear attempt to mislead Kevin, which to me (and Kevin's gonna see it the same way) is dishonest. And second, Lucy may *want* to believe that she had nothing to do with the accident, but that's an absurd assertion. Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines (I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, or something like that. And by causing Serena's injury, Lucy had essentially destroyed that good deed. I think she sees that as the reason that Lucy can't permit herself to admit to anyone (not even herself) how much guilt she owns in this situation. Lucy's life over the past five years or so has been based to such a great extent on her pride in herself where Serena was concerned. Then Kevin came along and helped her to gain even more confidence in herself. She said it herself on Friday's PC (I think) - he brings out the best in her. So here she's going to be, her two primary sources of belief in herself (Serena and Kevin) both lost in one stroke. I'm curious to see how she will respond. One possible response would be to give up, out of a sense of being lost with no hope, and return to her "bad" past. Another possibility is that she may finally see that she can't walk a zigzag line between her old and new selves - if she truly wants to be a better person, she has to stick to it and stop rationalizing her "old Lucy" behavior. I know which one I'm voting for; I wish I could read the writers' minds..... I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. I have a feeling that PC this week is going to be like a train wreck - terribly painful to watch, but impossible to look away from..... Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 22:14:03 -0400 At 12:54 PM 7/26/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >i don't remember eve doing ANYTHING to lucy before lucy >started in with her attitude, which may be why i'm so more >willing to cut eve some slack. You're right. Lucy started this, no doubt about it; Eve tried to be nice to her at first. But I dunno, that reason never cut any slack with my Mom when I tried to explain why I was fighting with my younger sister! :-) The other thing that occurred to me was yet another reason why Eve's claim that she's doing this for Kevin's good is so ridiculous. Back when she was first trying to figure out how to get even with Lucy for digging up the skeletons in her closet, she was mulling it over with Chris one night. Almost the FIRST idea that came to her was to take Kevin away from Lucy. I don't know if she meant that she wanted to seduce Kevin, or if she just meant that she wanted to break them up. I remember it making me mad at the time because, just like in this situation, it seemed so insensitive to Kevin's feelings. Anyway, it shows that she's been looking for a way to break them up for a long time. And that's yet another reason why the public-humiliation route would look good to her in this case - by publicly torpedoing Kevin as well as Lucy, Eve maximizes the likelihood that their relationship won't survive the revelation. About the catfight: >true. more than anything, i wish it would just end. but >unless something COMPLETELY unexpected happens >on monday, i don't see it happening anytime soon... Oh, that's for sure! The unfortunate thing is that Lucy is likely to be unable for quite a while to see her own guilt - she's going to be too busy blaming Eve for the whole thing. That can only slow down any chance for Lucy to learn any valuable lessons from this whole mess, which is the only potentially positive outcome I can see from it. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debi Sanders Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 21:18:33 -0500 Rika wrote: > I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked > catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her > credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because > he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. > And lest we forget the out-and-out lie about the death of his father. Here he lied because he was afraid he would lose Lucy. But lie he did! And she forgave him instantly. Debi -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "come visit" (ë¿ë) ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Kevin and Lucy's Future Date: 27 Jul 1998 19:55:30 -0700 [Bounce. -- T.] S P O I L E R S P A C E I wasn't sure if talking about the Kevin and Lucy breakup would be jumping to far ahead, so I thought that I'd play it safe. I'm so bummed about tomorrow's outcome. Don't get me wrong, I think that Lucy does need to learn to let go of her hate for Eve, but at the same time I think it's terrible that she and Kevin will have to go through this. Kevin is in such a terrible position to have the happiest day of his life ruined because of this on going rivalry between Lucy and Eve. Don't get me wrong, I think it was wrong that Lucy didn't confess what she did to Kevin, but it's just so sad to hear that he's going to ask her to move out and all. I read that they're going to miss each other while they're apart and I'm hoping that a really good reunion will take place with them in the future. Maybe around the time when the Port Charles murdered is revealed. Perhaps circumstances will come about where they are drawn together again and this time Lucy realizes that Kevin is what she needs to focus her energies upon since she loves him so much. I'd love to see the two of them have a dramatic reconciliation where their love for one another will help them overcome this minor obstacle. Sorry to ramble, I'm just so bummed. Brandy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B) Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 22:31:14 MST On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400, Rika wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E > >Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines >(I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She >said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, Now that's interesting. I wonder why she doesn't consider Jasmine Island to be a truly good deed? Was it Lynn who felt this way, or was this her take on how Lucy feels? >I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked >catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her >credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because >he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. > I can think of some other differences. 1. We saw Kevin agonizing about not telling Lucy. Lucy doesn't seem to care about lying to Kevin. 2. Kevin told her before making love for the first time since Jasmine Island, and that isn't even the same degree as not telling someone before he takes a wedding vow. 3. Kevin told her the first day he was released from the mental hospital. Now I know he was dragging his heels, but I think we should give him some slack when his doctor felt he wasn't able to cope with the real world yet. 4. The thing about Kevin's lies is that the lies themselves are pretty insignificant compared to other "soap" lies. If Kevin had told her when he first woke up (he had no way of telling her before), she shouldn't have been mad--she didn't want him to be catatonic. As for the Victor issue, are people really that prejudiced against the mentally ill, that having a harmless catatonic parent is a mark against you? It seemed to me to be much ado about nothing, especially since everyone already knows that insanity runs in his family. Also, Lucy forgave Kevin right away, but she really didn't because it still bothered her. I remember on the next day they got into a fight over it again, and she went to talk to Sonny about it. Lucy gave alot of lip service to the fact that she had no problem with Kevin's psychotic breakdown. But she really did, she didn't trust him, she went behind his back to Gail, she spied on him and lied about it, and she got upset at the littlest change in him. She even told him a couple of times how their lovemaking was different, which is a pretty cruel (unintentionally) thing to say to someone who has just recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse--she is lucky he wasn't impotent. Lucy put up a brave front, but she wasn't honest about the problems in their relationship. It looks like Kevin is going to do the opposite. Neither seems very productive. Obviously if they're not together, they can't work out their problems. But sending someone mixed signals undermines their confidence and makes your forgiveness more about how great you are to do it and less about how worthy they are to recieve it. I want Kevin to be able to understand Lucy and know the real Lucy again. I don't want him to take her back until he really believes she loves him. So I think seperation with communication is the best thing, which means we won't get it. -- Anne B eblood@xmission.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B) Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 26 Jul 1998 23:18:40 MST On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:18:33 -0500, Debi wrote: > > And lest we forget the out-and-out lie about the death of his father. >Here he lied because he was afraid he would lose Lucy. But lie he >did! And she forgave him instantly. > >Debi Actually, the lie happened a few years before when he was just getting to know her and gave her the standard half truth he gave everybody. I don't think he was obligated to tell her then, just as I don't think Eve should have to tell every guy she flirts with that she was a hooker. It was shameful and painful to him, and he didn't trust Lucy yet. He was wrong to out-and-out lie when Lucy said Hey, I thought your father was dead (paraphrased). But if she hadn't said anything, I don't think he would have been wrong to keep it from her considering he was honest that he had problems and wasn't able to make a commitment, and was in serious therapy working on those problems. The main problem I have with what Lucy is doing is that she is marrying the guy. She listens to him talk about how she is an open book to him and how nobody has ever trusted him like this (strange thing for a therapist to say) and she doesn't bat an eye. With Victor, Lucy knew there was a secret; she was expecting a lot worse. So after thinking he might be stalking again or caught up with something Cassidine'ish, she was probably relieved his secret was as lame as it was, and she had already vowed she was going to forgive him. I think what's going to happen might be more comparable to the end of the Madame Maia story. She was blindsided, unprepared, as he is going to be. It took her a couple of months to forgive him for that. -- Anne B eblood@xmission.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, a Nightmare, and Self-Victims Date: 27 Jul 1998 01:43:04 -0400 Gosh, I wish we were still on the 1994 transcripts! We need something more cheerful than Kevin's descent into temporary insanity right now. On the bright side, at least this storyline will remind us of Lucy's better days. Kevin probably wouldn't be alive today if Lucy hadn't been in his life during the summer and fall of 1996. Rika Kevin, Lucy, a Nightmare, and Self-Victims - August 13 and 14, 1996 Kevin is asleep on the sofa, wearing blue silk pajama bottoms. Some sort of paperwork is lying on his bare chest. We hear dripping water. He is having a dream; he can see a hallway. There is a doorway at the end of the hall; bright light shines out from under the door. Kevin seems to be saying, "Mom," though it is hard to tell. Lucy, wearing the top that matches Kevin's pajama bottoms, comes downstairs and wakes him up. L: "Doc, Doc?" K: "What, what, what, what, what happened? Did Mac call?" L: "No." K: "Is Felicia all right?" L: "No, no, no, no, nobody called, so that means Felicia's fine. Otherwise they would have called." (She looks at the paperwork.) "What are you doing? Are you trying to work? It is way too early for that. Come on, get up. Come back to bed." K: "I had the strangest, weirdest dream. It feels like Tom was in it." L: "Tom. So, do you think he's lying? Do you think he's really the stalker?" K: "Honest to God, I don't know." (Later they're eating breakfast.) L: "I still don't get it. If Felicia got a nasty phone call from Tom while Tom was there, in front of all of you, doesn't that prove he is not the stalker?" K: "I thought for a while it cleared him too." L: "Well, of course it does. Obviously someone must have somehow pieced together a tape just to make him look guilty." K: "Or innocent. Tom could have set up some sort of a voice service to make the call while he was there. A simple timing device would do the trick, and a little computer know-how." L: "But he couldn't possibly have known that you and Mac were going to be there." K: "That's true, that much is coincidence. But it was a rather convenient one since all it did was make Felicia dig her heels in." L: "So that's it, that's your theory. Some recording devicey thingy and a timer stuff, and that's how it happened." K: "Lucy, I hate suspecting Tom. But what if Felicia had been hurt?" L: "Don't even say that. Doc, you know this nightmare that you had. Is Felicia in it?" K: "I don't remember. All I remember is the fear." L: "Do you remember why you were so afraid?" K: "Not in the dream, but I know now. Felicia's loaded with guilt over mistrusting Tom the way she did. And I think that - " L: "I've been there. I've felt that - where you find out bad things about the man that you love." K: "Right. And I'm afraid that she do may do something drastic to prove that she trusts him now." The phone rings; Kevin answers it. It's Mac, who still thinks Tom is guilty. He wants Kevin's help again. Kevin refuses to help because he thinks he could do more harm than good; besides, "I'm walking too fine a line here as it is." He hangs up and returns to breakfast. L: "You're going to have to explain something to me here. You just told me that you're afraid that Felicia might do something stupid. And you're not even going to go over there and convince her not to do that?" K: "I never should have gotten so involved in the first place, Lucy. It was a bad idea to begin with. Tom Hardy is not only my friend and my colleague; I've acted as his therapist." L: "That's it, isn't it? You know him probably better than anybody, so you could help. Maybe that's why you're having this dream. Maybe the dream or nightmare or whatever it is means that Felicia is in some kind of danger. And you need to help her so then you won't have the dream anymore. And maybe you can help get her out of this nightmare she's been living with lately." Note that they've reversed positions here. Last night Lucy was trying to get Kevin to relax and take care of himself, and Kevin was insisting that Mac needed him. Anyhow, Kevin evidently listened to Lucy, because later he and Mac show up at the Brownstone. Felicia and Tom are both furious; Kevin apologizes to them both for his role in the situation and leaves. A while later, Lucy comes into the living room and finds Kevin sitting in a chair, staring pensively at his Madonna and Child paintings. She is surprised to see him. L: "Hey! What happened?" K: "Well, I don't know who the stalker is, but I'm convinced that it isn't Tom Hardy." L: "Oh, Doc, that is absolutely wonderful! I mean, it sends you and Mac back to square one to find out who it really is, but at least Tom's not it. That's good!" K: "I said *I* was convinced. I tried to apologize to Tom, but - Mac is on his own from here on out." L: "Wait; Mac still thinks that Tom - " K: "I am through playing cop. I have made a mess of Tom Hardy's life, professionally and personally. I've lost one friend; I may have lost two. I should have had the smarts to stay out of this from the begining." L: "I am so very proud of you. I mean it. I'm serious. Look what you did. You went to help a friend - Felicia. And I know that if Tom had turned out to be the stalker you would have gotten him the very best help. Doc, you're done. You did it. You can bow out gracefully now." K: "There's nothing graceful about this, Lucy." L: "Mac'll find him, whoever this sicko is, eventually Mac will figure it out." K: "Well, I find the whole business unutterably depressing." (He falls listlessly into his leather armchair and then has a realization.) "Oh - and I'm due at the park. I have to get myself together to teach a psych class in half an hour." L: "Well, that's good. You can do that. I mean, maybe it'll be good for you, you know, a little change of pace." K: "Yeah. Well, it looks like my notes are here, anyway. I will say this. I'm really glad to have Gina around; that girl is terrific." L: "You know, maybe you should try to tell her that once in a while. She's having a bit of a self-esteem problem. I think it's because she thinks that you hate her." K: "Why on earth would she think that?" L: "To tell the truth, you know, your temper has been just, oh, a little out of hand lately. And I mean, I understand, and I can deal with it. I'm me, you're you, we know. But Gina's a little young." K: "Gee, I didn't realize she was so sensitive. I'll try and say something apropos." L: "Of course you will, and it will be wonderful, just like your apology to Tom. And he will accept it eventually. Doc, you did the right thing. You should feel much, much better now. Your soul is fine. Everything's gonna be fine." K: "I feel a lot better." (He goes over to sit on the sofa next to Lucy.) K: "You know what? I love you very much." (Lucy strokes his jaw.) L: "Oh, Doc, I love you too." (A little later, they're still sitting on the couch; Kevin has his arm around Lucy and they're holding hands.) L: "Doc?" K: "Hmmm?" L: "I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Why don't I meditate on this? I bet you anything that I could figure out who the stalker is. I could use my psychic abilities. I mean, you can't argue with success, right?" K: "I don't know, Lucy." L: "Cogitate on it, and so will I." (He nods, with a sort of a "why not" shrug.) (Later, Kevin is looking at his class notebook, prepared by Gina.) K: "Do you see how meticulously she put this thing together? Everything's here - schedules, contact sheets, tests, lecture outlines. And it's color-coded. The red tabs mean I need to take care of this today, where the blue tabs mean I need to look at it over the next few days because it'll be a priority next week. This thing is a thing of organizational beauty." L: "I can see that." K: "Then could you tell me how Gina could possibly think that I'm unhappy with her work? Was she at all specific about how she came to such a bewildering conclusion?" L: "No, not really. I could just tell that she was really anxiety- plagued. In fact, I kind of recognized the way I used to be in her." K: "In what way?" L: "Well, you know, when you feel like a big fat phony because you're trying to be one thing when you're really something else, and just how terrible you are as a person, that's how it makes you feel inside when you realize that. Does that make sense?" K: "Clear as a bell." L: "You eventually get over it. It sure took me a long, long time. And everybody tends to exploit that fragility, and it makes you feel even worse about yourself. Oh, boy, and I'm probably making you feel worse about Gina. Doc, that's not what I meant to do. I don't want you to have an excuse to beat yourself up over this. I'm just telling you this because you can make it better. It's a very easy fix. All you have to do is be nice to Gina. Nice. You're a nice person, you can do it." (The phone is ringing; Kevin is divided between listening to Lucy and wanting to answer the phone.) K: "Thank you. Excuse me." (Kevin answers the phone. It's Mac, of course. Felicia has left town and Mac is worried. Kevin tells Lucy about it.) K: "I can't believe that she put herself in danger just to prove a point." L: "What would be that point?" K: "That she trusts Tom; that she doesn't believe he's the stalker." L: "Wait a minute, wait a minute. You don't believe he's the stalker either, right? Isn't that what you just said? So what's wrong with that?" K: "We don't know who it is. Whoever it is could still be out there. He could be trailing Felicia right now. And since she's so obligingly removed herself from the people who can protect her.... what is that woman using for brains?" (Well, that IS a worthwhile question where Felicia is concerned.) L: "You know, to me, Doc, it's pretty obvious. She loves Tom. They have just been through a horrific experience. She let Mac convince her that Tom was the stalker enough to hold a gun on him. She must be absolutely mortified. Don't you get it? (a) She's got to make it up to Tom somehow, and (B) she has to rid herself of any lingering doubts she has." K: "Well, she could have done that right here in Port Charles." L: "Maybe, but she didn't, she left. And I have a little newsflash for you and Mac. She's an adult; she's a grown woman; she has freedom of choice. And if she chooses to go out of town with her lover, that's her choice - she gets to go. Doc, Tom is perfectly capable of protecting her, just as much as you and Mac are. And I think he can pick up the phone if he needs help." K: "I'm getting on your nerves, aren't I?" L: "Yes, you know, to tell you the truth, you are. I'm just so frustrated. I hate watching you carrying the whole weight of the world on those shoulders. Doc, let Mac handle Felicia. You do what you do best." K: "Aye aye, cap'n. And for the moment, I have a class to teach. So what does your day look like?" L: "I have the ever-exciting photo shoot with Brenda. So if you need me, I will be there, okay - just call." K: "All right." L: "I'll see you. K: "Okay." (They kiss.) L: "Have a good day. K: "Thanks; you too." (Lucy starts to leave; then she turns back.) L: "Oh - Gina. Be nice to her." K: "Scout's honor." (Lucy leaves; almost the instant she goes, Kevin develops a bad headache.) Later, we see Kevin in the park, lecturing on self-victims. These are people with low self-esteem who therefore perceive themselves to be losers. Class is going fine until Kevin gets another headache. He loses his train of thought, and starts flipping madly through his notebook (the one Gina set up for him) to try to get back on track. He is furious that Gina isn't there; a student points out that he sent her back to the classroom to get a book. He rants about how long it's taking - maybe Gina is goofing off. Gina arrives, and Kevin sarcastically welcomes her. She nervously points out the outline he is looking for, and begins to blame herself for his confusion - perhaps she put it in the wrong place, or perhaps the organization of the binder wasn't clear. Kevin cruelly thanks Gina for a wonderful demonstration of self-victim behavior. Gina is devastated, but Kevin continues. He finally ends by saying: K: "Self-victims feel unworthy. Self-victims know they're guilty of far worse things than screwing up a teacher's notebook. They know they're guilty of things that they have never been properly punished for. And that's why self-victims encourage belittling - they believe it's merited. And who the heck are we to argue? All right, let's move on from self-victims to the idiots who love them." (He looks up to see the students squirming uncomfortably.) "What? Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor here?" (Just as with Kevin's prior lecture on survivor guilt, Gina bears the brunt of his anger, but he's really talking about himself. Most interesting.) A little later, we see Kevin at home, sleeping in his easy chair. He awakens, relaxed at first, but then something occurs to him. He stands up and looks in his briefcase. K: "Lucy? Lucy, have you seen my notes? I have to get to class." (Of course, there's no answer because Lucy is not home. Kevin notices the blinking light on the answering machine and retrieves this message:) Student: "Dr. Collins, this is Terry from psych class. I haven't been able to get the look on Gina's face out of my mind. You were way too hard on her today." Kevin is astonished; he rewinds the tape and listens to the message again, totally confused. He paces the room; his eyes fall on the book, "Disassociative Disorders" on the coffee table. He picks it up and thumbs through it. Then he drops the book as a severe headache hits him. He grips his head in pain, sinking to the couch, just as Lucy arrives home. She watches him, confused and worried. And that's all! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:29:14 -0400 At 10:31 PM 7/26/98 MST, Anne wrote: >On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400, Rika wrote: >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >S >P >A >C >E > >> >>Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines >>(I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She >>said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, > >Now that's interesting. I wonder why she doesn't consider Jasmine >Island to be a truly good deed? Was it Lynn who felt this way, or >was this her take on how Lucy feels? Maybe somebody who has the magazine at home can confirm this, but I believe it was Lynn's take on how Lucy feels. I think maybe her role in Serena's existence might be more important to Lucy than anything she has done for Kevin because Serena and the surrogacy was the foundation of her evolution, on which everything since then has been built. I also wonder if Lucy might see her actions during and after Jasmine Island in a different category - not so much a conscious choice she made to do something good, but rather a case where she simply did what had to be done. If so, she's selling herself short - no one else on the planet could have led Kevin out of that nightmare with his life and his sanity intact - but maybe she doesn't see that. >Lucy gave alot of lip service to the fact that she had no problem with >Kevin's psychotic breakdown. But she really did, she didn't trust him, >she went behind his back to Gail, she spied on him and lied about it, >and she got upset at the littlest change in him. I have to say, if I put myself in Lucy's shoes back then, I think she handled it extremely well. Imagine how difficult it would be like to nearly lose the person you loved most in the world in such a frightening way, and then to get them back - but not *exactly*, because they were different in unpredictable ways. And he kept adding to that by insisting that he was a different person, a stranger that she didn't even know. She was terrified that he might have a relapse, and she was trying to prevent that and thus protect him and their relationship from further harm. She blamed herself for not seeing the signs of his problems last time, and she was probably more vigilant than might seem rational because she was trying not to repeat that mistake. And my recollection is that she didn't go to Gail until after Kevin had started lying to her about the letters from his father. His story didn't add up, so Lucy felt (correctly, as it turned out) that he was hiding something. That scared her to death for some pretty valid reasons. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: In a word: WOW Date: 28 Jul 1998 17:13:33 EDT For those that haven't yet seen today's show: Spoiler P O I L E R Space P A C E In all honesty, I'm not sure what I'm here to say, and yet I'm so moved by today's show that I just have to come to the list and say so! UN-believable. Actually, that's not true: Jon & Lynn never disappoint, and today was no exception. It was one of those episodes, like so many others they've given us, that was heartbreaking, but so compelling. I've already seen it twice. On a more substantive note, one of Kevin's comments that stood out to me the most was when he said that Serena's accident was an accident, a mistake, and that "mistakes are forgiveable", but that what he couldn't get past was her lie to him. So this is mostly about trust. And that brings to my mind the M. Maia story. Lucy was the one who lost the sense of trust in that storyline. [Although I suppose it can be argued that Kevin did as well. I can't say that I blame him for being unable to trust Lucy with the truth about the ghost- making equipment]. But be that as it may, she was hurt to the core, and lost her trust in him. Now he is the one in that position. Question is, how will Lucy deal with this shoe that is now on the other foot? Kevin pretty much faced it, accepted it, and tried his darndest to fix it. (I love that line of his, "We're in a crisis of my making....") I just suspect given how different the 2 of them are that she won't deal with it in the same head-on style that he did. But if she goes on yet another vendetta, or remains in denial about her actions, instead of dealing with this, I won't be an unhappy-but-riveted K/L fan......I'll just be a miserably irritated one......... Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? Date: 28 Jul 1998 17:50:08 EDT S P A C E for S P O I L E R S Do you think K&L will eventually get back together or could this be the end of the line for our dynamic duo? In case you havent seen today's show. Kevin asked Lucy if she would move out of the Lighthouse. She cried, he cried and think if Siggy knew what was going on he would have cried too :) Jon Lindstrom & Lynn Herring have been amazing--I thought I wouldnt be able to watch Monday's episode when Doc called off the wedding but yet I saw some glimmer of hope when Kevin couldnt bring himself to say that he would never marry Lucy--just not today. Lucy made me proud when she told Felicia that she wanted to continue as her maid of honor, brushed her tears away and said with a very Scarlett OHara attitude that she would win Kevin back. I think today we saw a small break through for Lucy--when Kevin brought up the fact that she may have lost Serena forever Lucy paniced--she said that she couldnt lose another child and mention how important this day was for her & Kevin to be married on because it was the anniversary of Lucy's miscarriage--she wanted to erase that day by replace it with a wedding anniversary--"that we would made magic and create another baby" I have always believed that Lucy what has been motivating Lucy isnt some residual love feelings she has for Scott but her obsession with Serena & the past miscarriages. Lucy clings to the mother figure role in Serena's life because deep down inside she truly believes that's all she will ever have. Its apparent that the last miscarriage is always in her thoughts and in heart--this baby was different from the others because Lucy wasnt using a pregnancy to scam or for greedy--that baby was conceieved in a love that Lucy had never known before. I think once Lucy truly hits the bottom--and I think her confrontation with Scott soon to come will do that--she will begin fight her way back and become the old evolved Lucy we've all known and loved. Lucy needs to see the truth, she needs to put Serena & Scott in the right perspective. Now my question is how long do you think Lucy & Kevin will be seperated for? A few weeks, a few months...long enough to start dating other people and living seperate lives ala Brenda & Sonny. Look how long it took for them to get back together :) I'm speculating that the General Homocide killer will go after either Kevin or will try to get to Kevin through Lucy and this might be the catalyst (sp?) that brings them back together. Perhaps before apprehending the GH murderer Kevin is critically hurt I think the jolt would finally wake Lucy up..would make her realize the truth and what she feels for this man and what she has to in order to have a future for him--let the past be past and concentrate on the future. I think the seperation will be good for both characters but I hope it doesnt last to long--the idea of Lucy or Kevin dating somebody else (for example some people has suggest a flirtatious Eve & Kevin pairing. YUCK ) doesnt sit well me at all LOL. K&L belong together like Spencer Tracy & Katherine Hepburn. I'm hoping for a November sweeps wedding--something quiet, intimate, heartfelt and elegant down by the duck pond with GH crossover from Mac & Felicia Scorpio and Luke Spencer. I'm counting on Victor to come up with some sneaky, wacky love chart to get K&L back together! LOL Tanya - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? Date: 28 Jul 1998 19:20:02 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 TC8870@aol.com wrote: > S > P > A > C > E > for > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S (much snipping occurs) > I'm speculating that the General Homocide killer will go > after either Kevin or will try to get to Kevin through Lucy and this might be > the catalyst (sp?) that brings them back together. Perhaps before > apprehending the GH murderer Kevin is critically hurt I think the jolt would > finally wake Lucy up..would make her realize the truth and what she feels for > this man and what she has to in order to have a future for him--let the past > be past and concentrate on the future. Actually I'd like the opposite to happen: Lucy is critically injured saving Kevin from the GH Killer. After seeing today's episode both are in different areas of Denial City. Lucy now knows she's screwed up big time and she's willing to grind it out to make things right. Kevin's the one tossing her out of the Lighthouse and refusing to deal with this head on, which I can understand right now. Lucy knows she loves Kevin and to what extent she does, it's Kevin who questions Lucy's love due to the whole trust issue. While not clearing up the trust issue, saving him from the GH killer and nearly losing her life in the process would be the eye opener he needs to see that they can work past this and get back on track. As for Victor's hand in getting them back together I can definately see him doing that. He's been slowly growing on me and his defense of Siggy along with asking Kevin not to do anything he'd regret only makes Victor grow on me more. And speaking of Siggy, what does the rest of his family think about him being dragged off to live with Lucy? Unless Lucy stashed the rest of them in her car off camera, which would just make the PC Hotel and her eventual roomie just love her more. I went back and reread the Q&A session TV Guide online did with Jon during the spring just as the General Homicide storyline was kicking off. I found it interesting to note that when asked about Keving and Lucy getting hitched he noted that probably they'd get to the altar and something, probably of Lucy's making, would stop the wedding. Unless he knew that far in advance, whihc I doubt, he called it right on the nose. As for whether they'll get back together or not I've already stated my bet that they'll be living together again sometime before the end of August with a nice November Sweeps wedding preceded by a very romantic proposal on Lucy's part. I just hope they make it to the altar before Joe and Karen. And my hat goes off to whoever is in charge of diagetic sound for the show. Having the organist play 'Love Will Keep Us Together' by The Captain and Tenille when Lucy went to the minister's office was priceless. Now let's just hope that was a bit of foreshadowing on their part. -Nicole, who's more than willing to take a job writing for PC if offered it since she's getting that CW degree in the fall, Redo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? Date: 29 Jul 1998 09:50:47 -0400 tanya wrote: >she said that she couldnt lose another child and mention how = >important this day was for her & Kevin to be married on because = >it was the anniversary of Lucy's miscarriage--she wanted to erase >that day by replace it with a wedding anniversary all right, i'm quibbling here--but the second lucy said that, i just went, "huh? WHICH day?" did the writers forget so soon that friday was NOT the day kevin and lucy chose for the wedding-- that it had been postponed a week by the roof church collapse? and neither of them had ever mentioned ANYTHING before = about the date having any sort of significance. if i recall, maxie and georgie picked the date, and when kevin and lucy signed on to the double wedding, they were stuck with it, more or less. i know, this is really not important in the face of all that went on in yesterday's ep...but it bugged me nonetheless! julie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: K&L: Lucy's Magic Night (long) Date: 29 Jul 1998 11:01:50 EDT S P O I L E R S * * * * Yesterday (Tuesday) Lucy tearfully told Kevin that this date for them to get married was important because it was the anniversary of when they lost there baby. (She wanted to erase the pain by replacing it with this joyful day) She told Kevin that she truly believed magic would happen and they would make another baby on their wedding night. Well Kevin and Lucy didnt make it to their wedding night but what about that morning? Or even the night before? Could Lucy infact be pregnant? Just for the record the original date was July 17th picked out by Georgie & Maxie on GH for Felicia & Mac. Then Lucy got the idea of the double wedding which was still suppose to take place on the 17th. Even with Serena'a accident that were still going to get married on that day. The reason they changed it was because the church roof caved in so they pushed it back. It just seems more then coincidental that the wedding date and Lucy's miscarriage date coincide--not to the date but pretty close. I think the scene also showed us a glimpse into what's been motivating Lucy the fear of lossing another a child (Serena) and maybe never having a baby of her own. But I've notice that TPTB on PC like to give out foreshadowing clues and little hints into what will come. I havent heard K&L talk about children or trying to get pregnant in months. But then there was Lucy yesterday and last week Kevin explained to Garcia that he was going to become a husband and he hoped soon a father: that was his reason for going after the killer he wanted to believe that life was safe for his family. I dont believe that K&L will seperate long--Lucy & Kevin are the heart of the show--I think their time apart will give Lucy a chance to face some truths, to let go of the past (Scott & Serena) and become the woman that she, Kevin & the viewers love. Kevin & Lucy love each truly deeply madly and I think PC knows that fans wont tolerate them dating other people :) I think Kevin will throw himself into solving the murders slowly forgive Lucy and eventually himself. (stories seem to move a bit faster on PC then they do other soaps when necessary) No doubt the catalyst (sp) in their reunion will the outcome of the General Homocide storyline which will be wrapped by the end of the summer. It would make sense that by mid- to late August Lucy would find out she was pregnant by the time they reunite. ( It would also be a pay off to the fans who still feel cheated over Lucy's last miscarriage and the now aborted wedding ) Reunited, reaffirmed in their love K&L would have a quiet, intimate wedding ceremony down by the duck pond not to mention a another front burner storyline as we watch the watch the deal with the joys and exceptation of pregnancy and parenthood and also the dramatic--high-risk pregnancy/nature vs nuture issue. Kevin would very probably question his parenting abilities especially given who his role models are... Just a few thoughts & speculation on my part but its a storyline plot that I could more then live with. Tanya - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:34:05 -0400 At 09:50 AM 7/29/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >all right, i'm quibbling here--but the second lucy said that, i >just went, "huh? WHICH day?" did the writers forget so soon >that friday was NOT the day kevin and lucy chose for the wedding-- >that it had been postponed a week by the roof church collapse? I didn't necessarily interpret it as saying that they *chose* the date with that in mind. It could instead have meant that once the date was changed, she realized the significance. While it's hard to tell what the actual date is in "Port Charles time," the writers did get the anniversary date of the miscarriage right in terms of the dates on which episodes aired. She lost the baby on the Monday, 7/28/97 episode. So even though there were some possible problems with the date connection, I still thought it was a *great* use of history on the part of the writers. If Lucy had realized the significance of the date after the problem with the church roof moved the wedding day, she would have seen it exactly as she described it - a chance to erase the previous tragedy and make some magic. And it also does seem, as others have suggested, that it might be foreshadowing. Rika, still sniffling after Wednesday's PC (but more on that later) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: In a word: WOW Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:40:31 -0400 At 05:13 PM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >In all honesty, I'm not sure what I'm here to say, and yet I'm so moved by >today's show that I just have to come to the list and say so! UN-believable. >Actually, that's not true: Jon & Lynn never disappoint, and today was no >exception. It was one of those episodes, like so many others they've given >us, that was heartbreaking, but so compelling. I've already seen it twice. It was amazing. Lynn can always tear your heart out, but Jon is the one who truly astounds me. Because Kevin was holding himself firmly in check (until Lucy left), Jon had to do so much with so little. The look in his eyes was enough to break my heart all by itself. And of course, when he finally broke down after she left, I was a goner - I cannot bear to see him cry! >I just suspect given how different the 2 of them are that she won't deal with >it in the same head-on style that he did. But if she goes on yet another >vendetta, or remains in denial about her actions, instead of dealing with >this, I won't be an unhappy-but-riveted K/L fan......I'll just be a miserably >irritated one......... (Wednesday talk below) S P O I L E R S P A C E So far so good. Lucy seems to understand exactly what she did to Kevin, and she is as horrified by it as he is. In fact, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened if she had gone to him that night and said the exact words that she said to Sigmund in her hotel room. I was very glad that she said, "I have only one person to blame - and that's me." She's obviously still going to be furious with Eve, and maybe there'll be some vendetta (and, like you I sure hope not), but at least right *now* Lucy recognizes that this break-up would never have happened if she had told Kevin the truth. Then, nothing Eve could have done or said would have mattered. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: K&L: Soap Op. Weekly poll Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:51:17 -0400 I was reading Soap Opera Weekly in the grocery line yesterday, and noted a couple of questions of interest to folks on the K/L list in the "Viewer's Voice" column. I don't know how much difference such polls actually make, but just in case I thought I'd pass on the information. If you want, you can "vote" by sending e-mail to SPWvoice@aol.com. This is "Voice 31" (i.e., poll #31); I assume it would be good to put that in the subject of the message. I'll only quote the questions that are relevant to K&L: "In the News" questions: 1. An ATWT question 2. A DOOL question 3. An OLTL question 4. Port Charles: Do you think Lucy and Kevin should reconcile? "In General" questions: 1. 2. 3. Which scene made you cry during the week of July 27? 4. Who was your favorite performer during the week of July 27? Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: In a word: WOW Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:40:31 -0400 At 05:13 PM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >In all honesty, I'm not sure what I'm here to say, and yet I'm so moved by >today's show that I just have to come to the list and say so! UN-believable. >Actually, that's not true: Jon & Lynn never disappoint, and today was no >exception. It was one of those episodes, like so many others they've given >us, that was heartbreaking, but so compelling. I've already seen it twice. It was amazing. Lynn can always tear your heart out, but Jon is the one who truly astounds me. Because Kevin was holding himself firmly in check (until Lucy left), Jon had to do so much with so little. The look in his eyes was enough to break my heart all by itself. And of course, when he finally broke down after she left, I was a goner - I cannot bear to see him cry! >I just suspect given how different the 2 of them are that she won't deal with >it in the same head-on style that he did. But if she goes on yet another >vendetta, or remains in denial about her actions, instead of dealing with >this, I won't be an unhappy-but-riveted K/L fan......I'll just be a miserably >irritated one......... (Wednesday talk below) S P O I L E R S P A C E So far so good. Lucy seems to understand exactly what she did to Kevin, and she is as horrified by it as he is. In fact, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened if she had gone to him that night and said the exact words that she said to Sigmund in her hotel room. I was very glad that she said, "I have only one person to blame - and that's me." She's obviously still going to be furious with Eve, and maybe there'll be some vendetta (and, like you I sure hope not), but at least right *now* Lucy recognizes that this break-up would never have happened if she had told Kevin the truth. Then, nothing Eve could have done or said would have mattered. Rika - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barbara Cullen Subject: Re: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? Date: 29 Jul 1998 18:14:55 -0400 s p o i l e r s p a c e > I am speculating that the General Homicide killer will go. > after Kevin or will try to get to Kevin through Lucy and this might be > the catalyst(sp?) that brings them back together. Perhaps before apprehending > the GH murderer Kevin is critically hurt I think the jolt would finally > wake Lucy up..would make her realize the truth and what she to do > in order to have a future for him. Let the past be past and concentrate on the future. I agree that it should be Lucy critically hurt trying to protect Kevin from the GH murderer. Having to realize that she is his life and that knowing he may lose may force him out of denial. I hope that while caring for the injured Lucy they find out that she has become pregnant because of their last night together. I hope while recooperating Lucy finally tells him the real reason why she lied to him. > She's obviously still going to be furious with Eve, and maybe there'll be some vendetta (and, like you an I sure hope not), but at least right *now* Lucy recognizes that this break-up would never have happened if she told Kevin the truth. Then nothing Eve could have done or said would have mattered. I read that she is going to tell Eve to stay away from Kevin. I hope she learns that one upping Eve is what got her in this mess in the first place. And that seeking revenge would only make it worse she should concentrate on accepting what she did and that only time will heal the wounds. From what I saw today it sounds like Kevin is blaming her for the accident as well for lying to him. Yes Lucy had a part in it but I don't agree that she was fully the cause of it it was a combination of both. Tracey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: K&L: In a word: WOW Date: 29 Jul 1998 20:34:34 EDT In a message dated 98-07-29 14:41:25 EDT, you write: << Lynn can always tear your heart out, but Jon is the one who truly astounds me. >> That's it in a nutshell, Rika: the man astounds me. Excellent choice of words! I love the both of them, but with Jon there are days (like yesterday) that literally boggle my mind. The soap-world is lucky to have him, IMO. << And of course, when he finally broke down after she left, I was a goner - I cannot bear to see him cry!>> I really never cry over soaps, movies, etc. Never have. Hordes of people can be bawling their eyes out all around me, while I'm dry-eyed. Sometimes I wonder if there's something wrong with me . But I'll admit I felt a tear well up in each eye over that episode, and very nearly so over today's. Brief Comment (okay, not as brief as I originally planned ) About Today S P O I L E R Space Also, I was really glad to get that montage of memories today! I figured we'd get one, and I liked both the choice of scenes and the music. And finally, did anyone else kind of sit up and take notice when Lucy said (while listing the upsides/downsides of her situation) that she loves Kevin more than anyone or anything ever in her life? I loved the words; that's the way it *should* be, but I felt like saying, "Oh really?" Because if you put her money where her mouth is her actions, especially lately, would seem to put Serena at the top of that list. I've felt for a while now that even Kevin knows/accepts that about her. I wonder if she's deluding herself, or if maybe that's part of the point of this storyline, or if I'm just reading her wrong. This whole situation reminds me of the Rex storyline, when one of the things that they "argued" about was her obsession over Serena. I had a sinking feeling in my stomach whenever Kevin brought that up, because it rang too true, too close to home, for my comfort. Talk about foreshadowing........ Regina - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: K&L: strange Date: 29 Jul 1998 15:42:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDBB07.735A39E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the most inconsequential of things, but aren't Lucy and Alexis = staying in the same hotel? Today Ned made a comment to Alexis about not = bringing a white horse cause pets aren't allowed. If this is true then = why can Lucy have Sigmund with her in the hotel? Just thought I would = ask. 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