From: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com (kevin-and-lucy-digest) To: kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #39 Reply-To: kevin-and-lucy-digest Sender: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk kevin-and-lucy-digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:12:29 EDT From: ReginaL402 Subject: Re: K&L: Wedding In a message dated 98-05-26 22:40:22 EDT, you write: << Note to self: Read the email that is in your mailbox BEFORE sending out a panicked, franitic bit of hysteria. >> Well, I'm not exactly answering that line, but I have to start somewhere . At the urging of one of our fearless leaders, I'm going to try and force myself out of lurker-mode. Hi everybody! (LOL) I believe a brief introduction is in order. I swear I'll TRY to keep it brief. However be forewarned that brevity is not one of my flaws (ummm, I mean strengths ) I love this list, especially the scene transcripts (every one of which I've kept), and have been lurking amongst you for what seems like ages. I've adored K/L from day 1, really, but never had the foresight to save their stuff on tape. Luckily for me, plenty of other K/L fans have, and so now I've got a nifty (albeit incomplete) collection going. I utterly ADORE Jon Lindstrom's acting - WOW - I never tire of seeing this guy act, and he never disappoints me (nice eyes too; oh yeah and a great smile, and did I mention that at times he's so gorgeous I literally melt?) If you're getting the impression that I *really like this guy*, it's for good reason ;-) Seriously, I would have given the man an Emmy already a couple of times over. Absolutely awesome actor. Lynn H is incredible as well, of course. On a more personal note, I'm a busy married mother of 3 little ones (a boy 8 1/2 years old; daughter 7 years old; younger son nearly 4); work part-time as a lactation consultant for our health dept, and love living in sunny Miami Florida, hurricanes notwithstanding. Yes I survived Andrew . As to the wedding we've all been waiting for, I too would rather they had a wedding JUST FOR THEM (grrrrrr!) but god at this point I'm desperate enough that I'll take it! How's that for an introduction? Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:14:58 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Wedding At 07:34 PM 5/25/98 -0400, Rika wrote: > >B >E >T >T >E >R > >L >A >T >E > >T >H >A >N > >N >E >V >E >R > >naaaaaaaah. I couldn't imagine that TPTB would waste a big event like that >on a non-sweeps period, and (unless I'm mistaken) the next sweeps period is >November. Nope. Daytime has August sweeps. They aren't as note-worthy, generally, because primetime is on hiatus at the time, and so the entire industry is less worked up over it. >I have to admit, though, it's got some possibilities. For one thing, I >would assume that they'll be back and forth between shows a lot, which >would be fun for a change. For another thing, some Kevin/Mac and >Lucy/Felicia scenes would be nice; I've missed those. Mac and Kevin I've missed. Lucy and Felicia I miss about as much as a 2nd degree sunburn. >And the possibilities for comedy are pretty impressive. Always. But the thought of going the head-on comedy route for K&L's wedding makes my blood boil. Definitely INCLUDE some comedy, as that is such a large part of what they are as a couple, but the idea of their wedding BEING a comic event makes me ill. >On the other hand, is it >just me, or does anybody else have the gut reaction that Kevin and Lucy >deserve their *own* wedding, not one they share with someone else? Damn straight, they do! And even if they don't, WE do! Four and a half years. No couple has to wait that long. No fans have to wait that long. But they did, and we did. We've earned a wonderfully sweet, sappy and SOLO wedding, damnit. Taiyin TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:32:01 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: WHAT?!?!?!?!? (SPOILER) OK, I have obviously not been paying enough attention, but... S P O I L E R S P A C E I just got a letter from someone who visited my Kevin & Lucy Web Page, and in it she commented about Kevin & Lucy's upcoming DOUBLE wedding with Mac and Felicia. Has anyone else heard about this? If this is true I am going to be BEYOND pissed. Four and a half years and then we are supposed to be happy with them sharing the big day with Mac and Filly?? I don't THINK so. Please, please, please tell me that one of you has heard (from a fairly reliable source) that that rumor is crap. I'm writing the person who wrote me back and ask where they got that rumor, but in the meantime my skin is crawling. Taiyin, ticked and fairly repulsed... TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:28:25 EDT From: ReginaL402 Subject: Re: K&L: WHAT?!?!?!?!? (SPOILER) In a message dated 98-05-27 08:01:02 EDT, you write: << S P O I L E R S P A C E I just got a letter from someone who visited my Kevin & Lucy Web Page, and in it she commented about Kevin & Lucy's upcoming DOUBLE wedding with Mac and Felicia. Has anyone else heard about this? If this is true I am going to be BEYOND pissed. Four and a half years and then we are supposed to be happy with them sharing the big day with Mac and Filly?? I don't THINK so. Please, please, please tell me that one of you has heard (from a fairly reliable source) that that rumor is crap. >> Taiyin, I've seen this mentioned in a soap mag this week. I"ll nail down which issue, etc later. Stinks, but I believe it's true. OTOH, (a little perspective here) AMC's Jack/Erica fans (I'm a huge J/E fan) have been waiting 9 YEARS, (even enduring marriages to others) and there's still no guarantee that it'll happen, though I believe it will. So as long as we've been waiting for K/L, there are fans that have waited longer for their couple. I suppose that it's my Jack/Erica frustration that's helping me to tolerate the double nature of this idea for K/L. After 9 years with J/E, no way am I going to look a gift K/L wedding in the mouth. Hopefully we'll hardly see the Mac/Felicia part of this wedding. Call me an optimist. Hey - I do believe that's my first attempt at a substantive contribution to this list! Regina (patting herself on the back for resisting the urge to lurk) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:19 EDT From: ReginaL402 Subject: Re: K&L: SORRY about the spoiler space!! I don't know what happened to my spoiler space in my last mail to the group! I SWEAR I put in a ton of spoiler space, but when I got the mail just now, the spoiler space is gone! My profuse apologies to any others if you're experiencing my mail without the spoiler spaces - I truly have NO idea why AOL somehow took it out! What a way to start my day! Perhaps I'll go back to lurking..... Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:52:34 -0400 From: Barbara Cullen Subject: Re: K&L: WHAT?!?!?!?!? (SPOILER) - --------------AE56A23BF6FFA732CD6CFEFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < s p o i l e r s p a c e > I am afraid it is true they are planning a double wedding with M/F sometime this summer. I have read it in soap opera weekly on page 35. By the way guys there is acute picture of them on page 33. I hope that when they get up there M/F back down and it is just the two of them. My name is Tracey by the way and I am new to your list I am enjoying it very much. Tracey Taiyin wrote: > OK, I have obviously not been paying enough attention, but... > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > I just got a letter from someone who visited my Kevin & Lucy Web Page, and > in it she commented about Kevin & Lucy's upcoming DOUBLE wedding with Mac > and Felicia. > > Has anyone else heard about this? If this is true I am going to be BEYOND > pissed. Four and a half years and then we are supposed to be happy with > them sharing the big day with Mac and Filly?? I don't THINK so. > > Please, please, please tell me that one of you has heard (from a fairly > reliable source) that that rumor is crap. > > I'm writing the person who wrote me back and ask where they got that rumor, > but in the meantime my skin is crawling. > > Taiyin, ticked and fairly repulsed... > TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango > with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights > out." 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I am afraid it is true they are planning a double wedding with M/F sometime this summer. I have read it in soap opera weekly on page 35. By the way guys there is acute picture of them on page 33. I hope that when they get up there M/F back down and it is just the two of them.

My name is Tracey by the way and I am new to your list I am enjoying it very much.

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I just got a letter from someone who visited my Kevin & Lucy Web Page, and
in it she commented about Kevin & Lucy's upcoming DOUBLE wedding with Mac
and Felicia.

Has anyone else heard about this?  If this is true I am going to be BEYOND
pissed.  Four and a half years and then we are supposed to be happy with
them sharing the big day with Mac and Filly??  I don't THINK so.

Please, please, please tell me that one of you has heard (from a fairly
reliable source) that that rumor is crap.  <grovel>

I'm writing the person who wrote me back and ask where they got that rumor,
but in the meantime my skin is crawling.

Taiyin, ticked and fairly repulsed...
TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango
with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights
out."  KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response.
LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink."  KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man
who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately."

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  - --------------AE56A23BF6FFA732CD6CFEFE-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: SORRY about the spoiler space!! At 08:35 AM 5/27/1998 EDT, ReginaL402 wrote: >I don't know what happened to my spoiler space in my last mail to the group! Spoiler space must be characters other than periods. If you just leave twelve blank lines, or if you use periods, some mailers either assume the message is over and cut it off, or filter out the space. - --Cagey, ListMom - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: SORRY about the spoiler space!! At 08:35 AM 5/27/1998 EDT, ReginaL402 wrote: >What a way to start my day! Perhaps I'll go back to lurking..... I forgot to say--that's not a reason to run away . - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:51:53 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: WHAT?!?!?!?!? (SPOILER) At 08:52 AM 5/27/98 -0400, Tracey wrote: My name is Tracey by the way and I am new to your list I am enjoying it very much. <<<<<<<< Welcome! Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:05:51 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Wedding At 12:12 AM 5/27/98 EDT, Regina wrote: >Well, I'm not exactly answering that line, but I have to start somewhere . >At the urging of one of our fearless leaders, I'm going to try and force >myself out of lurker-mode. YEAH! The more the merrier! Hi everybody! (LOL) I believe a brief >introduction is in order. I swear I'll TRY to keep it brief. However be >forewarned that brevity is not one of my flaws (ummm, I mean strengths ) My eighth grade (I think) English teacher once told me I was the only person she knew who could use fifteen words when two would suffice. >I love this list, especially the scene transcripts (every one of which I've >kept), and have been lurking amongst you for what seems like ages. I'm glad you emerged out of lurkdom, and I'm glad you're enjoying the transcripts. BTW, regarding the transcripts, as soon as we're done with 1994, we're going to FF ahead to the buildup to Jasmine Island (skipping over the stuff for which transcripts are presently available online). Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:06:46 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Suggestions? I got this from ABCGary today. I have a few ideas of my own, but I thought I'd bring it up to the group. I'd like to get back to him very quickly, though, so, any thoughts? Taiyin >From: Abcgary@aol.com >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:09:18 EDT >To: lighthouse@taiyin.net >Subject: Kevin and Lucy > >Hi! > >As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list of scenes that show >that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. I wanted to get >some input from viewers who enjoy watching this couple. Do you have any >favorite moments that illustrate this dynamic between them? > >Thanks in advance! > >All the best, > >Gary Warner > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:33:08 -0400 From: Barbara Cullen Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? Re: from abcgary: I wanted to get some inputfrom viewers who watch this couple. Do you have any favorite moments that illustrate this dynamic between them. I would suggest when they were reunited after she was kidnapped by Joe Scully. When he broke down the door in buffalo and threw her over his shoulder and she called him her hero. Also the part where she helped him on Jasmine Island when he had that breakdown and brought him back to reality. When they finally came back to the lighthouse after he was released from jail and he sketched her picture and bought her roses after they fought and circled a new date on the calender and said this is our new anniversary date. When they finally moved into together and she found the box of letters from his father after he said his father was dead. When she told him in the jail that she was pregnant and when he proposed to her and she lost her voice. When she miscarried the baby and when she was poisoned and almost died and he never left her side. Tracey Taiyin wrote: > I got this from ABCGary today. I have a few ideas of my own, but I thought > I'd bring it up to the group. I'd like to get back to him very quickly, > though, so, any thoughts? > > Taiyin > > >From: Abcgary@aol.com > >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:09:18 EDT > >To: lighthouse@taiyin.net > >Subject: Kevin and Lucy > > > >Hi! > > > >As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list of scenes that show > >that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. I wanted to get > >some input from viewers who enjoy watching this couple. Do you have any > >favorite moments that illustrate this dynamic between them? > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >All the best, > > > >Gary Warner > > > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:33:08 -0400 From: Barbara Cullen Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? Re: from abcgary: I wanted to get some inputfrom viewers who watch this couple. Do you have any favorite moments that illustrate this dynamic between them. I would suggest when they were reunited after she was kidnapped by Joe Scully. When he broke down the door in buffalo and threw her over his shoulder and she called him her hero. Also the part where she helped him on Jasmine Island when he had that breakdown and brought him back to reality. When they finally came back to the lighthouse after he was released from jail and he sketched her picture and bought her roses after they fought and circled a new date on the calender and said this is our new anniversary date. When they finally moved into together and she found the box of letters from his father after he said his father was dead. When she told him in the jail that she was pregnant and when he proposed to her and she lost her voice. When she miscarried the baby and when she was poisoned and almost died and he never left her side. Tracey Taiyin wrote: > I got this from ABCGary today. I have a few ideas of my own, but I thought > I'd bring it up to the group. I'd like to get back to him very quickly, > though, so, any thoughts? > > Taiyin > > >From: Abcgary@aol.com > >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:09:18 EDT > >To: lighthouse@taiyin.net > >Subject: Kevin and Lucy > > > >Hi! > > > >As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list of scenes that show > >that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. I wanted to get > >some input from viewers who enjoy watching this couple. Do you have any > >favorite moments that illustrate this dynamic between them? > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >All the best, > > > >Gary Warner > > > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:54:41 EDT From: Subject: Re: K&L: SORRY about the spoiler space!! In a message dated 98-05-27 10:51:49 EDT, you write: << I forgot to say--that's not a reason to run away . >> Thanks . In that case: did I say yet how much I hate what Lucy's up to these days?? Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:54:45 EDT From: Subject: Re: K&L: Wedding In a message dated 98-05-27 16:19:08 EDT, you write: << My eighth grade (I think) English teacher once told me I was the only person she knew who could use fifteen words when two would suffice. >> Ahhh, a kindred spirit. We wordy types make every word count, though. <> Thanks for the welcome. I'll head out onto the web for the scenes you're skipping. Unfortunately the transcripts will have to suffice, since that's where my collection fails me. My vcr ate my Madam Maia stuff (definitely getting that fixed - I have an extended warranty on it! Only problem is figuring out when I can bear to part with the damn thing long enough to fix it, LOL), and then the next thing I have is Lucy heading into the house at Jasmine Island. Any suggestions from the group as to where I can go to fill out my collection? In the past year I seem to have acquired a perverse need to collect tapes I don't have any room to store ;-)........ Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: K&L: ADMIN Please Read Since we seem to have some new subscribers (welcome!), I'd like to remind everybody to review the list rules. We've already discussed spoiler space --please also don't forget that fan fiction is welcome here, posts are not to be forwarded from this list to any one else without express permission of the author, and keep your citations from other posts to a minimum when you respond. Also, please doublecheck your headers when you send--you can post to either kevin-and-lucy@xmission.com or kevin-and-lucy@lists.xmission.com. Both addresses get here, but if you CC it to both, we get double posts. Please don't do it! Thanks. - --Cagey, list mom - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? At 05:06 PM 5/28/1998 -0700, Taiyin wrote: >>As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list of scenes that show >>that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. One of the best examples of this is one that Lucy isn't in--the scene with Kevin drowning his sorrows at the Outback, while he, Mac and Tony compare notes. I agree with Tracey--the proposal is also wonderful. Hives . The Strip . The Seduction of Norma . - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:41:59 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? At 09:37 AM 5/28/98 -0700, Cagey wrote: >At 05:06 PM 5/28/1998 -0700, Taiyin wrote: > >>>As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list >of scenes that show >>>that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. > >One of the best examples of this is one that Lucy isn't >in--the scene with Kevin drowning his sorrows at the >Outback, while he, Mac and Tony compare notes. Oh, YES! That's a perfect choice! And going along with that, another great choice would be his inebriated "declaration" later that evening when Lucy was in the tub with Sigmund. He may have been off-balance because of the Akavit, but he summed up their essential conflict very succinctly. Others that I think illustrate opposites attracting: - - The stuff surrounding their first kiss. Kevin was furious with Lucy for showing up at the Lighthouse whenever she wanted without knocking, and yet he couldn't resist her. - - The morning Lucy stopped by the Lighthouse while jogging. Kevin to Lucy: "You're exasperating, maddening even. But you're so damn sexy that it all evens out." Hey, Taiyin, I could even send Gary transcripts of some of these. Do you think he'd find them useful in deciding which scenes to look at on videotape? >The Seduction of Norma . And the argument - and reconciliation - that followed. I think it's SO great that he's asking for help from us! Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:18:32 EDT From: Subject: K&L: New to the List Hiya, Well I just signed up for the Lucy and Kevin mailing list. All I really wanted to do was say hi and introduce myself--I'm really a die-hard Lucy and Doc fan and hope that this couple has a long happy complicated life on Port Charles for many years to come. Really looking forward to hearing what you guys have to say and sharing opinions about Port Charles/GH and Lucy/Kevin. I think Lucy and Kevin are one of the funniest, romantic, flawed, thinking, interesting couples on daytime television and wish they got the same amount of attention that some of the more over hyped couples do. How can you love two people that adore that lovable duck Sigmund! Looking forward to jumping into the discussion, TC - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:12:44 EDT From: Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? In a message dated 98-05-28 15:44:31 EDT, you write: << The stuff surrounding their first kiss. Kevin was furious with Lucy for showing up at the Lighthouse whenever she wanted without knocking, and yet he couldn't resist her. - The morning Lucy stopped by the Lighthouse while jogging. Kevin to Lucy: "You're exasperating, maddening even. But you're so damn sexy that it all evens out." >> Well, I'm not as fluent (yet!) in our couple's scenes as the rest of you, but Rika has reminded me of 2 others that fit the bill, IMO: A lovely morning scene where Kevin wakes up suddenly and scares Lucy half to death, all because he's overslept. (I love Lucy's line there: "Don't you know? That's why God made mornings.") If I'm not mistaken, he launches into a description of his morning routine, which Lucy wastes no time in disrupting even further . In the next scene he says that he should add making love to her to his morning routine, although there's nothing routine about it. Not sure about this one because my memory is really failing me, but I have a distinct recollection of him offering to share his kitchen (or cappucino machine?) with her if she promises to read the owner's manual (LOL). I'm not remembering much else about it at the moment, but for some reason it popped into my head when I read Rika's suggestions...... Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:34:49 EDT From: Subject: K&L: Kevin and Lucy Are Like Some Great Old Movie Couple.... I've had a revelation that I had had to share with other K&L fans :) Not only am I big fan of Lucy and Kevin but I'm a avid lover of old movies. With this whole murdery mystery going on Lucy and Doc are reminding me EVEN more of my favorite movie couple--Nick and Nora Charles( played by Mryna Loy and William Powell) the dymanic duo of the all those old dectective movies in the Thin Man Series. Originating from the detective novel The Thin Man, by Dashielle Hammet (awesome book) Nick and Nora were funny, romantic, witty, somewhat snarky (in a good way) sophisicated and completely head over heels in love with one another. When they werent laughing, arguing or taking sly shots at each other they were off solving interesting crimes and mysteries. Everytime Nick told Nora to butt out she did the complete opposite trudging right along into whatever. Nick was adorable with a martini in hand, solving the crimes, handing out a never ending supply of cool put downs and one-liners all while he flirted shamelessly with his wife Nora. Who does that remind you, I wonder! LOL Beyond a shadow of a doubt Lucy and Kevin were meant to the Nick and Nora of daytime television! Who ever concieved the coupling of Lucy and Kevin--the handsome, cerbral, intelligent, dry witted psychiatrist meets the wacky, sophisicated, equally intelligent, high strung beautiful business woman with a nose for trouble--had to be fan of all those great screwball couples of the old movies like Nick and Nora, Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant, Carole Lombard and Jimmy Stewart, Gary Grant and Roslinand Russell.. Kevin and Lucy are style, hippinest, romance, class and completely flawed--the reincarnation of all these couples put together! And for that I am extremely grateful. Nick and Nora, had Astair the dog --Lucy and Doc have Sigmund the Wonder Duck. Later on Nick and Nora added little Nicky to mix so not only did we get mystery, romance, humor added but the joys of parenthood--Something that I cant wait for Lucy and Doc to add to their mix as well-ASAP! LOL Just had to Share That, Tanya - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? Someone else may have said these already, but how about the proposal, and wasn't there something when Sigmund first came where Lucy saved him from being the Q's dinner and didn't Kevin help or something??? I can't remember exactly, but I think there was something then. Take Care, Geri - ---Rika wrote: > > At 09:37 AM 5/28/98 -0700, Cagey wrote: > >At 05:06 PM 5/28/1998 -0700, Taiyin wrote: > > > >>>As ABC's resident historian, I am putting together a list > >of scenes that show > >>>that Lucy and Kevin are opposites -- and opposites attract. > > > >One of the best examples of this is one that Lucy isn't > >in--the scene with Kevin drowning his sorrows at the > >Outback, while he, Mac and Tony compare notes. > > Oh, YES! That's a perfect choice! And going along with that, another > great choice would be his inebriated "declaration" later that evening when > Lucy was in the tub with Sigmund. He may have been off-balance because of > the Akavit, but he summed up their essential conflict very succinctly. > > Others that I think illustrate opposites attracting: > > - The stuff surrounding their first kiss. Kevin was furious with Lucy for > showing up at the Lighthouse whenever she wanted without knocking, and yet > he couldn't resist her. > > - The morning Lucy stopped by the Lighthouse while jogging. Kevin to Lucy: > "You're exasperating, maddening even. But you're so damn sexy that it all > evens out." > > Hey, Taiyin, I could even send Gary transcripts of some of these. Do you > think he'd find them useful in deciding which scenes to look at on videotape? > > >The Seduction of Norma . > > And the argument - and reconciliation - that followed. > > I think it's SO great that he's asking for help from us! > > Rika > > - > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:30:10 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? Well, so far the scenes that everyone is coming up with are the ones that I was thinking of, too. I don't know whether to be frightened or comforted that we all think so much alike. At 06:12 PM 5/28/98 EDT, ReginaL402@aol.com wrote: > >A lovely morning scene where Kevin wakes up suddenly and scares Lucy half to >death, all because he's overslept. (I love Lucy's line there: "Don't you >know? That's why God made mornings.") Ah yes, the very, very beginning of the Ryan's Revenge storyline. The first day, in fact. That was the morning of the day that Ryan tried to seduce Lucy. Excellent choice. And the one scene that you guys have mentioned that I hadn't thought of at all. The only scene that I DID think of and that you guys DIDN'T mention was the scene from the morning after Lucy was supposed to pay off her bet with Damian. I love those scenes because Kevin's reaction to what she'd done was not only classic, but it also showed off their humor and raparte, while also showing how RADICALLY different they saw and approached the situation with Damian, Bobbie and the bet. And I loved Kevin analyzing her motives and her bursting into tears just to shut him up. :-) >distinct recollection of him offering to share his kitchen (or cappucino >machine?) with her if she promises to read the owner's manual (LOL). That was after they brought up, for the second time, the idea of living together in mid-1995, I believe. And, does anyone else notice that all these scenes are all dating back to 1994 and 1995? Tragic. Taiyin "I was thinking about us in the kitchen." - --"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, there are all those free-standing appliances." --Lucy and Kevin, "GH" - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:44:13 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? At 07:23 PM 5/28/98 -0700, Geri Fosseen wrote: > >Someone else may have said these already, but how about the proposal, >and wasn't there something when Sigmund first came where Lucy saved >him from being the Q's dinner and didn't Kevin help or something??? I >can't remember exactly, but I think there was something then. Lucy ordered the free-range duck to have as Thanksgiving dinner in 1994. Only she and Kevin had a fight the day before (which started out about her inviting him to go on an impromtu trip to Puerto Rico, and then degenerated into another fight about his wallowing over Grace) and their plans for the holiday were cancelled. But the duck was delivered anyway on Thanksgiving Day, and only then did Lucy realize that the "free-range" also meant "alive and quacking." So she set about town to find someone to "dispatch the duck" -- she went to the Grille, the Quartermaines and finally the Brownstone, where she found Kevin ensconsed in a family Thanksgiving with the Jones/Scorpio crowd. She got pissed, shoved the duck at him and stormed out the door and went to Puerto Rico for Miguel's concert. When she got back, she went to see Kevin and asked him where the duck was and he said, "You know -- dinner." She flipped out and then three months later, for Valentine's Day, he did the sweetest most adorable and romantic thing ever by giving her the duck, along with a diamond necklace, as a gift. And that was when she named him Sigmund (because she had just given Kevin a signed, first edition version of "The Interpretation of Dreams" by Sigmund Frued as a Valentine's gift). The original scenes with Sigmund, though, are actually very short on K&L stuff. I think I'm going to send him a list of four scenes that probably best encapsulate K&L: 1.) The night they met at the Outback 2.) The morning after The Bet with Damian 3.) The morning of "routines" that Regina mentioned 4.) The night, during the Joe Scully stuff, where Kevin went to the Outback, got drunk with Mac and Tony and then came back to Lucy's and climbed into the bathtub fully clothed. I think that's enough, but not too much. And it makes me want to cry that they haven't had scenes as great and charming and moving and delightful as any of those in years. Taiyin "I was thinking about us in the kitchen." - --"Oh Lucy, the kitchen is far too dangerous a place, there are all those free-standing appliances." --Lucy and Kevin, "GH" - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:39:32 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: K&L: swiss cheese is it just me, or is anyone else getting REALLY annoyed by the number of holes in this current story, and how our eminently sensible doc (while i LOVED his attempted persuasion of lucy yesterday) is really missing what i consider some of the more pertinent points??? for example: lucy claims if she can prove eve was a hooker in college, that will prove she's a murderer now. HUH? what does one have to do with the other? karen was a drug-abusing stripper who dated a gangster. chris was a forgerer. matt was a mafia kid. AND THEN THEY ALL GREW UP. (unless chris is the murderer, of course...) proving eve was, or wasn't, a hooker, proves NOTHING. second, it REALLY burned me up yesteday when lucy grasped at something kevin said, and then tried to justify all her shenanigans as trying to help kevin feel less guilty about these murders by catching the real killer. we ALL know that the only reason lucy is involved in this at ALL is because eve is trying to (in her view) worm her way into scott and serena's lives, and lucy will do anything to prevent that from happening. she would be doing the exact same thing even if general homicide had never been written, or had been written by some random stranger. she is NOT doing this for kevin, and i resent her trying to convince him she is. bottom line--remember all our previous conversations about = the "old lucy" versus the "new lucy"? well...whoever's writing this is giving us FAR too large a dose of the old lucy for my taste. so there! (i feel better now! :) julie - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: Re: K&L: Suggestions? Thanks for reviving my memory - I knew there was something cute back then!!! :) One more though....where was Siggy between Xmas and Valentine's Day??? == Take Care...Geri ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ %~}"I believe I am growing skeptical of cynicism."{~% --Chuck Lorre %~}"Do not think you are on the right path just because it is well-beaten."{~% --Unknown ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:12:28 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin and Lucy Are Like Some Great Old Movie Couple.... At 09:34 PM 5/28/98 EDT, Tanya wrote: >I've had a revelation that I had had to share with other K&L fans :) Welcome to the list, btw! >Who ever concieved the coupling of Lucy and Kevin--the handsome, cerbral, >intelligent, dry witted psychiatrist meets the wacky, sophisicated, equally >intelligent, high strung beautiful business woman with a nose for trouble--had >to be fan of all those great screwball couples of the old movies like Nick and >Nora, Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant, Carole Lombard and Jimmy Stewart, Gary >Grant and Roslinand Russell.. Absolutely. I can't watch Hepburn and Grant in "Bringing Up Baby" anymore without thinking of Kevin and Lucy. Kevin and Lucy are style, hippinest, romance, >class and completely flawed--the reincarnation of all these couples put >together! And for that I am extremely grateful. Nick and Nora, had Astair the >dog --Lucy and Doc have Sigmund the Wonder Duck. Later on Nick and Nora added >little Nicky to mix so not only did we get mystery, romance, humor added but >the joys of parenthood--Something that I cant wait for Lucy and Doc to add to >their mix as well-ASAP! LOL From your mouth - well, fingers - to Latham's ears..... Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:52 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: swiss cheese At 10:39 AM 5/29/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >is it just me, or is anyone else getting REALLY annoyed >by the number of holes in this current story, and how our >eminently sensible doc (while i LOVED his attempted >persuasion of lucy yesterday) is really missing what i >consider some of the more pertinent points??? > >for example: lucy claims if she can prove eve was a >hooker in college, that will prove she's a murderer now. >HUH? what does one have to do with the other? I agree that I can't begin to see why these two things have to be connected; in fact, I just wrote the Thursday update for RATSA and made a remark about that. Lucy simply *wants* it to be Eve, so she's grasping at straws. But if you were giving that that as an example of Kevin missing a pertinent point, he didn't miss it. He pointed that out to her when they were arguing in the hotel room. She just chose not to respond to it. >second, it REALLY burned me up yesteday when lucy >grasped at something kevin said, and then tried to >justify all her shenanigans as trying to help kevin feel >less guilty about these murders by catching the real >killer. we ALL know that the only reason lucy is involved >in this at ALL is because eve is trying to (in her view) worm >her way into scott and serena's lives, and lucy will do anything >to prevent that from happening. she would be doing the >exact same thing even if general homicide had never been >written, or had been written by some random stranger. she >is NOT doing this for kevin, and i resent her trying to convince >him she is. I both agree and disagree. I agree that a big (and probably her biggest) motivation in this is to keep Eve away from Scott and Serena, but I do think that there's some truth in what she said to Kevin. Wanting to protect *him*, not just from guilt but also from suspicion, may have been more prominent in her mind right then than it usually is because of Munson's accusations against Kevin on the phone. Don't get me wrong; I would consider what Lucy said to him to be a half-truth at best. She wants the murders pinned on someone outside of the Coe-Collins household; she also very badly wants Eve out of Scott's life. She can accomplish both of those goals in one nice, neat package if she can prove that Eve is the murderer. >bottom line--remember all our previous conversations about >the "old lucy" versus the "new lucy"? well...whoever's writing >this is giving us FAR too large a dose of the old lucy for my >taste. so there! I absolutely, totally, completely agree. I'm sick of Lucy using sex games to address each any and every situation. Aside from her total lack of concern for her safety, I'm tired of her not recognizing that it's an insult to her relationship with Kevin to do stuff like taking a job as a hooker. Her "reassurance" that she hasn't had to sleep with anyone "yet" wouldn't reassure me one iota if I were Kevin. If these exploits in costume have been intended to be humorous, sorry, I'm not laughing. I thought the Hercules-Xanadu thing was embarassing. This storyline has only amused me twice, and in both cases it had to do with Kevin's reaction to one of her costumes. Which brings me to another point. I know Lucy is well-known as a wacky, funny character, and that Lynn Herring has a lot of comedic talent. But is anybody else finding that it's usually Kevin, and not Lucy, who makes them laugh? Maybe it's because I generally prefer subtle humor to broad, slapstick comedy, but I think Jon Lindstrom has excellent comedic skills that aren't noticed by a lot of people. The best laugh I've had from this whole escort storyline was when Kevin walked in on Lucy and Munson when she was in the Xanadu get-up and said, "Excuse me." That was it. But the delivery was priceless. He's like David Hyde Pierce (Niles) on "Frasier" in that regard. Some of what Hyde Pierce does on that show is fairly broad physical comedy. But he can be funny - hysterically so - with a single word or even a look. Rika - - ------------------------------ End of kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #39 ***********************************