From: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com (kevin-and-lucy-digest) To: kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #47 Reply-To: kevin-and-lucy-digest Sender: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk kevin-and-lucy-digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 047 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:24:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Kevin's Morose Morass When I was reading this I really found a connection to the events in PC currently. Lucy is simply doing what she think is in the best interest of the people she loves (Kevin, Scott, Serena) and sometimes that does come out as self centered. That's one of the brilliant things about Lucy and Lynn playing her. She could be on either side, depending how you look at it. Did she want Kevin to stop the twin study so he'd pay more attention to her (That Felicia jealousy issue from before) or is she worried about him? Is she doing this to Eve because she still wants Scott or because she really thinks he can do better? And though it drives me crazy sometimes, it really is the nature of Lucy. If she was to completely choose one side or the other than I don't think she would be the character that we all love, and hate, and love again, and scream at...well you get the point. Thanks for the transcript... I had forgotten about the self-centered aspects to her wanting Kevin out of the Twin Study. Melissa Port Charles the next generation...RPG My Twisted Version of Events: PC/GH fanfic - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:25:50 EDT From: Subject: K&L: Lucy&Serena, K&L, A baby and TPTB (Very Long) While many of us K&L fans are hoping that Lucy and Kevin will be able to have a baby of their own ASAP(by the way does anybody know what happened to that storyline? Lucy and Kevin had been trying, the issue of infertility had been brough up and now its hardly every mentioned) I dont think the TPTB will give Kevin and Lucy their own baby. Lucy's, for lack of a better word, obsession with Serena is a source of conflict, tension and pain that soap writers and soaps thrieve on. We all knew that Lucy loved Serena and had twinge of jealousy towards Eve. But I feel that the writers have taken this and blown into a fuller scale obsession and hatred. I didnt realize just how much until Thursday's episode and what Lucy said to Kevin regarding Serena. If Lucy had her own baby, though her love for Serena wouldnt lessen, she might ease up a bit, focus on her own life with Kevin and their child and realize that Serena and Scott will always be important to her but she has to let them go in a sense and allow them to live their lives.... That's just to easy in a soap opera writer's mind.. Where's the story, the drama, the mayhem to ensue? Lucy recent antics against Eve and the coupling of Eve and Scott have already been a source of conflict between Lucy and Kevin. He begs her to stop, she wont, he gets angry and blows up so she goes behind his back. He finds out and gets more angrier--the good thing is that they eventually make up. But just how much is Kevin suppose to take of Lucy's "protectiveness" over Scott and Serena. Kevin's going to tire (possiblely) of always being second in Lucy's life. Maybe he'll leave, maybe he'll seek comfort with somebody else....Kevin knows that this is about Serena, about Lucy's fears and heartbreak about possible not being able to have her child. But how much is a man, a good man, suppose to take? Kevin's a good guy..but he's human, flawed and hardly a saint. As long as Lucy cant have her own child she'll be constant pain in the butt for Eve--who she cant stand the idea of playing Mommy to her "little girl"---and Scott and dont all great loved couples need obstacles to overcome? That's what makes them great. They (TPTB) can continue this Lucy vs Eve mortal enemy story which makes some soaps legendary (Dorian and Vicki OLTL). Serena is what bonds Scott and Lucy together. Now, I dont mean to talk bad about Scott Baldwin--a decent enough guy, funny and can do interesting things with his hair--but Scott has a tendency at times to manipulate Lucy when it comes to Serena. Look what she did for him when he came to Port Charles and Serena was kidnapped. True Lucy jumped at the chance, but here she was pregnant running around meeting kidnappers and dropping of ransoms. Later she married the nutcase Rex Stanton to protect Serena...to help Scott. Suppose Lucy had her own baby and say big bad Uncle Rexy came back and tried to make another move on Serena. Lucy would have to consider her own child and tell Scott no, in a sense. Lucy's running to Scott's aid and the bond they share with Serena is yet another source of conflict for K&L. not mention that with her own family Lucy might butt out of Scott's business. And of course, the issue of infertility would always be a source of heart ache for Lucy and Kevin. Though I have no doubt they would love each other through it, Lucy would feel like she let herself and Kevin down. That the one baby that she's given birth to, isnt hers to keep. The one thing that Lucy truly wants is a baby of her own and isnt it the number #1 rule of soaps to avoid instant gratification. She cant be a mother to her own child and would only be the mother-figure in Serena's life. Remember Lucy telling Scott after the miscarriage how she'd hate to live her whole life without a little finger grasping on to hers..a little voice calling to her "Mommy..mommy, I need you. Pick me up, Mommy." And you know what? I truly hope I am wrong. Because I love K&L as both individuals (thought I'm not to happy with Miss Coe these days) and as a couple--they dont have this perfect fairytale love they have their fights, their making up, respect for each other, individual flaws, honest emotions, and opposite personalitites that make them so great. Because while soaps are about angst, jealousy, conflict and heartbreak their also about redemption, forgivness, good gusy vs bad guys, adventure, humor, romance, friendship, adventures and FAMILY all wound together in fast paced interesting story telling. Characters grow, they run the gambit, they learn and 'let go" and eventually come full circle. I think that Lynn Maria Latham who's done great things with PC (with the exception of the this slight retro- Lucy and mortal enemy gig with Eve, but that's another post) could give daytime what's its need for a long time--a thought out, well written, funny, romantic, complex, dramatic pregnancy and birth storyline. I think Latham knows how much K&L are loved and I think she's realizes that these are two characters who not what they once were--they have evolved, matured, softened yet maintain that something that made them who they were when they first came to GH. She knows that Kevin and Lucy are flawed, funny, intelligent, romantic, complicated people with complicated lives surrounded by unsual circumstances. There are moments in soaps they make soaps and their headwriters (BJ's death (GH) for example) the birth of Lucy and Kevin's baby would be definantly be a moment to be remembered in soaps--I would hope that Latham as a writer would not deny herself two fine actors (Jon Lindstrom and Lynn Herring) or fans of the show and characters would could be such a great moment in soaps. Gosh, I do tend to ramble on dont I? LOL! Next time stop me!!!!!!!!!!! Tanya - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:14:30 EDT From: Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy&Serena, K&L, A baby and TPTB (Very Long) In a message dated 98-06-29 02:02:03 EDT, you write: Well you say a lot. Most of what I agree with completely and couldn't say better myself, even if I tried. But I just wanted a little to this part... << Because while soaps are about angst, jealousy, conflict and heartbreak their also about redemption, forgivness, good gusy vs bad guys, adventure, humor, romance, friendship, adventures and FAMILY all wound together in fast paced interesting story telling. >> Now I think that the other great thing about having Luce and Kev have a baby or two or three or... anyway... it sets up such great stories for the future. Kids don't have to totally monopolize the stories now (I mean we don't see Georgie and Maxie but every once in a while) but in 18 years (or less with SORAS) you have Port Charls' new generation of people. Led by the Collins kids. There is such a wealth of stories that can be maintained in this couple if they just have a child. If I have to point out one problem with PC/GH compared to other shows is that they neglect to look forward to the great future storylines by re-populating their town. I'm just using the comparison to OLTL, where they have a lot of kids running around. Not dominating the storylines, but there. Same with AMC. My point is that not only is Lucy and Kevin having kids a great story now... but also for the future. SO please TPTB...don't do it for us. Do it for the good of the show. It's time to repopulate Port Charles. Thank You, Melissa - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:04:02 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, and Kevin's Morose Morass At 03:24 PM 6/27/98 EDT, Melissa wrote: >When I was reading this I really found a connection to the events in PC >currently. Lucy is simply doing what she think is in the best interest of the >people she loves (Kevin, Scott, Serena) and sometimes that does come out as >self centered. That's one of the brilliant things about Lucy and Lynn playing >her. She could be on either side, depending how you look at it. Did she want >Kevin to stop the twin study so he'd pay more attention to her (That Felicia >jealousy issue from before) or is she worried about him? Is she doing this to >Eve because she still wants Scott or because she really thinks he can do >better? Well said. The same could be said of her behavior after Jasmine Island. Did Lucy fight so hard for Kevin for *his* sake, or to preserve her life with him? I suppose in that case it was some of both; my guess is that's the answer in nearly every case. Meanwhile, though, I hate that the Lucy/Eve situation has had such a devastating impact on Serena. Besides all of the obvious reasons, shouldn't Kevin and Lucy have the chance to concentrate on their wedding? I mean, discussing a honeymoon destination 2 1/2 weeks before the wedding? I suspect it's a bit late to book the honeymoon suite on the QE2. How happy can this occasion be when Serena probably won't be out of the hospital by the wedding date? Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:18:54 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Lucy&Serena, K&L, A baby and TPTB (Very Long) At 11:25 PM 6/28/98 EDT, Tanya wrote: >If Lucy had her own baby, though her love for Serena wouldnt lessen, she might >ease up a bit, focus on her own life with Kevin and their child and realize >that Serena and Scott will always be important to her but she has to let them >go in a sense and allow them to live their lives.... > >That's just to easy in a soap opera writer's mind.. Where's the story, the >drama, the mayhem to ensue? An interesting analysis, and I have no doubt that the reasons you cite explain why K&L haven't been allowed to have a baby yet. The thing is, though, that conflict is gonna get old very fast. And I would hope (though maybe I'm delusional) that Lucy is learning a big, important lesson at the moment. Kevin said it very well - in a tug of war over a child, it's the child who gets hurt the worst. Also, there are degrees of things. Lucy would still interfere in Serena's life even if she had her own child. One good way to deal with it would be to let Kevin and Lucy have a boy. Then Serena would be Lucy's only daughter (of sorts), and would be special to her from that standpoint. >Kevin knows that this is about Serena, about Lucy's fears and >heartbreak about possible not being able to have her child. But how much is a >man, a good man, suppose to take? Kevin's a good guy..but he's human, flawed >and hardly a saint. If he were a living, breathing guy, I think he'd be long gone. But the writers seem to have imbued Kevin with an inexhaustible store of patience where Lucy is concerned. Sometimes he needs to blow off steam first, but he always seems to give in. It'll be interesting to see if his patience runs out some day. > They (TPTB) can continue this Lucy vs Eve >mortal enemy story which makes some soaps legendary (Dorian and Vicki OLTL). The problem I have with that is that Dorian and Vicki's rivalry is of long standing and makes lots of sense. The daughter vs. the step-mom, with lots of issues between them. And it's a clash of the titans, with plenty of intelligence (and even mutual respect) on both sides. While I find it completely believable that Lucy would resent Eve, the conflict has gotten so extreme that I'm finding it hard to swallow. And the tactics they've used against each other have made them both look small and petty, not indominatable. >And of course, the issue of infertility would always be a source of heart ache >for Lucy and Kevin. Though I have no doubt they would love each other through >it, Lucy would feel like she let herself and Kevin down. That the one baby >that she's given birth to, isnt hers to keep. The one thing that Lucy truly >wants is a baby of her own and isnt it the number #1 rule of soaps to avoid >instant gratification. She cant be a mother to her own child and would only >be the mother-figure in Serena's life. Remember Lucy telling Scott after the >miscarriage how she'd hate to live her whole life without a little finger >grasping on to hers..a little voice calling to her "Mommy..mommy, I need you. >Pick me up, Mommy." This is why I'd love to see a front-burner infertility story, with the possibility of an eventual happy ending. You're right about instant gratification not being something you see on soaps, but gratification SOME day ought to be allowable! Heck, we K&L fans are nothing if not patient - consider how long we've waited for a wedding. I'd be willing to wait a while for a baby. >And you know what? I truly hope I am wrong. Because I love K&L as both >individuals (thought I'm not to happy with Miss Coe these days) and as a >couple--they dont have this perfect fairytale love they have their fights, >their making up, respect for each other, individual flaws, honest emotions, >and opposite personalitites that make them so great. I couldn't snip this because it's so well said. Their relationship seems much stronger and more real than that of most couples on soaps. >There are moments in soaps they make soaps and their >headwriters (BJ's death (GH) for example) the birth of Lucy and Kevin's baby >would be definantly be a moment to be remembered in soaps--I would hope that >Latham as a writer would not deny herself two fine actors (Jon Lindstrom and >Lynn Herring) or fans of the show and characters would could be such a great >moment in soaps. Couldn't snip this either! Anyway, in summary, your post (much of which I reluctantly snipped) is probably a pretty good summation of the way the writers are thinking; it's just that a lot of it isn't working for me...... >Gosh, I do tend to ramble on dont I? LOL! Next time stop me!!!!!!!!!!! Naaaaah! What would be the fun in that? Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:03:00 -0400 From: "Mel(anie)" Subject: K&L: Catching up Wow, I haven't watched PC for a while, but has much changed? Nope. Saw Kevin and Lucy today, but it seems that every time I tune in, Kevin is comforting Lucy about some horrible thing that's happening...but I don't watch on a regular basis, so it's not really fair for me to say anything. It was just nice to see Kev and Lucy again. And on an aside, why is it that when I saw Scott crying over Serena in that hospital room, I didn't feel *anything*? I mean, they made Serena look as pathetic as they possibly could, but it still wasn't working. All I could think about was how *devastated* I was when Tony weeped over BJ and how this didn't even come *close*...but I digress. Mel - -- Visit Rustyville! http://www.geocities.com/~Rustyville "I don't kill my friends for money... ...This one I'll do for free." --Scottie LaMont - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:07:19 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: K&L: lucy how DARE lucy?!?!? okay, for those of you who haven't watched today's pc yet, bail out now, 'cause i've got a major rant coming... l o o k o u t b e l o w how DARE she??? how dare she go off on eve AGAIN, NOW, when this is at least 90% her fault??? i know, i'm sure deep down she's lashing out due to her own guilt--i know, i know...but tptb are THISCLOSE to really destroying this character. i would be much more willing to cut her some slack if she would come clean NOW about her part in this little plot. instead, what does she do? take yet ANOTHER opportunity to prove that SHE'S right, and that scott should have never left serena with eve. i know her heart is = breaking for serena--but they're making her out to HAVE no heart the way they're going. i'm just getting so MAD about this--i thought she would at least come clean to kevin. but no. poor eve....i can't stand this much longer. on another note--would they REALLY make serena blind? even though i know that soaps (particularly gh) just LOVE these temporary blindnesss stories, i would = think it's awfully hard for a sighted person to play a blind = person--especially a child. i hate this. i just hate this. i had a momentary flash of sympathy for lucy during her scene with scott--but if she can't even be honest with kevin, perhaps they SHOULDN'T be getting married... julie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:12:16 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: lucy At 01:07 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >how DARE lucy?!?!? okay, for those of you who >haven't watched today's pc yet, bail out now, >'cause i've got a major rant coming... > >l >o >o >k > >o >u >t > >b >e >l >o >w > >how DARE she??? how dare she go off on eve >AGAIN, NOW, when this is at least 90% her fault??? >i know, i'm sure deep down she's lashing out due >to her own guilt--i know, i know...but tptb are THISCLOSE >to really destroying this character. i would be much >more willing to cut her some slack if she would come >clean NOW about her part in this little plot. I'm torn about this. As you say, I think it's largely a defense mechanism. Lucy's not very emotionally mature and never has been, so in a way it seems reasonable that she'd be unable to deal with the guilt of contributing to this tragedy. On the other hand, I'd much rather see her as she was yesterday, completely stricken (to the point of speechlessness) by the horror of it all. In fact, I had thought how interesting it would be if she wound up defending Eve. Scott and Kevin wouldn't understand her about-face, and it might eventually lead Kevin to get suspicious, especially if anyone ever finds out that she showed up at the ballet studio to pick Serena up. I question that she'll ever come clean. She's seen Scott forbidding Eve to go near Serena. What are the odds that she's going to risk that same fate for herself? >poor eve....i can't stand this >much longer. I agree - I feel sorry for Eve and not really for Lucy. But, having said that, it is still true that Eve did contribute to what happened by making several errors in judgment. >on another note--would they REALLY make serena >blind? even though i know that soaps (particularly gh) >just LOVE these temporary blindnesss stories, i would >think it's awfully hard for a sighted person to play a blind >person--especially a child. I imagine it's just temporary, for drama's sake. I wonder if they'll somehow tie it to the murders? Serena winds up hearing (but can't see) a murder, maybe...... >i hate this. i just hate this. i had a momentary flash of >sympathy for lucy during her scene with scott--but if she >can't even be honest with kevin, perhaps they SHOULDN'T >be getting married... Well, here's a question. One of my e-mail pals suggested that Kevin would never be able to forgive Lucy for what she did if she came clean to him. I'd like to think that he would forgive her if she admitted it openly. What do y'all think? And may I interrupt this on-topic discussion for a brief tangent? I finished my comprehensive exams for my Ph.D. about 20 minutes ago and I'm preparing to celebrate! I won't know if I passed or not for a few weeks, but I almost don't care right now..... Mind you, I still have the minor obstacle of a dissertation in my path.... Rika - - ------------------------------ End of kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #47 ***********************************