From: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com (kevin-and-lucy-digest) To: kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #54 Reply-To: kevin-and-lucy-digest Sender: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kevin-and-lucy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk kevin-and-lucy-digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 054 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:54:26 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic rika wrote: >[Eve's] focused on revenge, and she's not considering the >possible consequences for innocent bystanders. And if that doesn't >describe Lucy's mind-set when she siphoned the gas from Eve's car, I don= 't >know what does. i agree--they've both been doing similar things in strikingly = similar ways, and they've BOTH been pretty despicable of late. however... >And yet the *intent* behind each action isn't a function of >the consequences. as much as i agree with that statement, i still find myself with more sympathy for eve than lucy. yes, their intents have been similar...but eve has had to pay far more dire consequences for lucy's acts going astray than vice versa. and while i can't exactly hold lucy responsible for all that (as she's been as = unthinking of possible ramifications as eve has), i can and DO hold her responsible for her ATTITUDE towards and about eve. lucy has been more hateful, both to eve and to others behind her back, than she has ANY right to be. in fact, it's my recollection (and i could be completely wrong) that lucy STARTED this = whole "catfight," way back when her sole motivation was to keep eve out of scott and serena's lives, before there was ever any murder to suspect eve of. basically, she stuck her = nose into something that wasn't at all her business (scott's relationship with eve) and wouldn't back off until she'd "won." i know, she was doing it because she was scared of losing her place in serena's life--but you know what? i don't see even that as justification for just how horrible she's been to eve. i don't remember eve doing ANYTHING to lucy before lucy started in with her attitude, which may be why i'm so more = willing to cut eve some slack. >This stupid catfight has brought out the >worst in both of them, such that I don't care much for either one of the= m >these days. = true. more than anything, i wish it would just end. but unless something COMPLETELY unexpected happens on monday, i don't see it happening anytime soon... julie - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic At 12:54 PM 7/26/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >oh i TOTALLY disagree. i think what she said, while less of a lie >than "i did nothing to eve's car" would have been, is still a lie >nonetheless. "i had nothing to do with serena's accident" is NOT >the truth. I'm with Julie here. Yes, Lucy tried to leave herself wiggle room in hopes of "getting off on a technicality" by sidestepping Kevin's question. But, first off, she sidestepped the question in a clear attempt to mislead Kevin, which to me (and Kevin's gonna see it the same way) is dishonest. And second, Lucy may *want* to believe that she had nothing to do with the accident, but that's an absurd assertion. Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines (I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, or something like that. And by causing Serena's injury, Lucy had essentially destroyed that good deed. I think she sees that as the reason that Lucy can't permit herself to admit to anyone (not even herself) how much guilt she owns in this situation. Lucy's life over the past five years or so has been based to such a great extent on her pride in herself where Serena was concerned. Then Kevin came along and helped her to gain even more confidence in herself. She said it herself on Friday's PC (I think) - he brings out the best in her. So here she's going to be, her two primary sources of belief in herself (Serena and Kevin) both lost in one stroke. I'm curious to see how she will respond. One possible response would be to give up, out of a sense of being lost with no hope, and return to her "bad" past. Another possibility is that she may finally see that she can't walk a zigzag line between her old and new selves - if she truly wants to be a better person, she has to stick to it and stop rationalizing her "old Lucy" behavior. I know which one I'm voting for; I wish I could read the writers' minds..... I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. I have a feeling that PC this week is going to be like a train wreck - terribly painful to watch, but impossible to look away from..... Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:14:03 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic At 12:54 PM 7/26/98 -0400, Julie wrote: >i don't remember eve doing ANYTHING to lucy before lucy >started in with her attitude, which may be why i'm so more >willing to cut eve some slack. You're right. Lucy started this, no doubt about it; Eve tried to be nice to her at first. But I dunno, that reason never cut any slack with my Mom when I tried to explain why I was fighting with my younger sister! :-) The other thing that occurred to me was yet another reason why Eve's claim that she's doing this for Kevin's good is so ridiculous. Back when she was first trying to figure out how to get even with Lucy for digging up the skeletons in her closet, she was mulling it over with Chris one night. Almost the FIRST idea that came to her was to take Kevin away from Lucy. I don't know if she meant that she wanted to seduce Kevin, or if she just meant that she wanted to break them up. I remember it making me mad at the time because, just like in this situation, it seemed so insensitive to Kevin's feelings. Anyway, it shows that she's been looking for a way to break them up for a long time. And that's yet another reason why the public-humiliation route would look good to her in this case - by publicly torpedoing Kevin as well as Lucy, Eve maximizes the likelihood that their relationship won't survive the revelation. About the catfight: >true. more than anything, i wish it would just end. but >unless something COMPLETELY unexpected happens >on monday, i don't see it happening anytime soon... Oh, that's for sure! The unfortunate thing is that Lucy is likely to be unable for quite a while to see her own guilt - she's going to be too busy blaming Eve for the whole thing. That can only slow down any chance for Lucy to learn any valuable lessons from this whole mess, which is the only potentially positive outcome I can see from it. Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:18:33 -0500 From: Debi Sanders Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic Rika wrote: > I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked > catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her > credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because > he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. > And lest we forget the out-and-out lie about the death of his father. Here he lied because he was afraid he would lose Lucy. But lie he did! And she forgave him instantly. Debi - -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Debi Sanders http://members.aol.com/DebiVF/THL.html "come visit" (ë¿ë) ------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:55:30 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: K&L: Kevin and Lucy's Future [Bounce. -- T.] S P O I L E R S P A C E I wasn't sure if talking about the Kevin and Lucy breakup would be jumping to far ahead, so I thought that I'd play it safe. I'm so bummed about tomorrow's outcome. Don't get me wrong, I think that Lucy does need to learn to let go of her hate for Eve, but at the same time I think it's terrible that she and Kevin will have to go through this. Kevin is in such a terrible position to have the happiest day of his life ruined because of this on going rivalry between Lucy and Eve. Don't get me wrong, I think it was wrong that Lucy didn't confess what she did to Kevin, but it's just so sad to hear that he's going to ask her to move out and all. I read that they're going to miss each other while they're apart and I'm hoping that a really good reunion will take place with them in the future. Maybe around the time when the Port Charles murdered is revealed. Perhaps circumstances will come about where they are drawn together again and this time Lucy realizes that Kevin is what she needs to focus her energies upon since she loves him so much. I'd love to see the two of them have a dramatic reconciliation where their love for one another will help them overcome this minor obstacle. Sorry to ramble, I'm just so bummed. Brandy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:31:14 MST From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B) Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400, Rika wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E > >Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines >(I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She >said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, Now that's interesting. I wonder why she doesn't consider Jasmine Island to be a truly good deed? Was it Lynn who felt this way, or was this her take on how Lucy feels? >I also wonder if Kevin will ever compare Lucy's lie to the time he faked >catatonia, and then dragged his heels about confessing it to Lucy. To her >credit, she forgave him that lie very quickly. This lie is worse, because >he was trying to save his life, but there's still some amount of similarity. > I can think of some other differences. 1. We saw Kevin agonizing about not telling Lucy. Lucy doesn't seem to care about lying to Kevin. 2. Kevin told her before making love for the first time since Jasmine Island, and that isn't even the same degree as not telling someone before he takes a wedding vow. 3. Kevin told her the first day he was released from the mental hospital. Now I know he was dragging his heels, but I think we should give him some slack when his doctor felt he wasn't able to cope with the real world yet. 4. The thing about Kevin's lies is that the lies themselves are pretty insignificant compared to other "soap" lies. If Kevin had told her when he first woke up (he had no way of telling her before), she shouldn't have been mad--she didn't want him to be catatonic. As for the Victor issue, are people really that prejudiced against the mentally ill, that having a harmless catatonic parent is a mark against you? It seemed to me to be much ado about nothing, especially since everyone already knows that insanity runs in his family. Also, Lucy forgave Kevin right away, but she really didn't because it still bothered her. I remember on the next day they got into a fight over it again, and she went to talk to Sonny about it. Lucy gave alot of lip service to the fact that she had no problem with Kevin's psychotic breakdown. But she really did, she didn't trust him, she went behind his back to Gail, she spied on him and lied about it, and she got upset at the littlest change in him. She even told him a couple of times how their lovemaking was different, which is a pretty cruel (unintentionally) thing to say to someone who has just recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse--she is lucky he wasn't impotent. Lucy put up a brave front, but she wasn't honest about the problems in their relationship. It looks like Kevin is going to do the opposite. Neither seems very productive. Obviously if they're not together, they can't work out their problems. But sending someone mixed signals undermines their confidence and makes your forgiveness more about how great you are to do it and less about how worthy they are to recieve it. I want Kevin to be able to understand Lucy and know the real Lucy again. I don't want him to take her back until he really believes she loves him. So I think seperation with communication is the best thing, which means we won't get it. - -- Anne B eblood@xmission.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:18:40 MST From: eblood@xmission.com (Anne B) Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:18:33 -0500, Debi wrote: > > And lest we forget the out-and-out lie about the death of his father. >Here he lied because he was afraid he would lose Lucy. But lie he >did! And she forgave him instantly. > >Debi Actually, the lie happened a few years before when he was just getting to know her and gave her the standard half truth he gave everybody. I don't think he was obligated to tell her then, just as I don't think Eve should have to tell every guy she flirts with that she was a hooker. It was shameful and painful to him, and he didn't trust Lucy yet. He was wrong to out-and-out lie when Lucy said Hey, I thought your father was dead (paraphrased). But if she hadn't said anything, I don't think he would have been wrong to keep it from her considering he was honest that he had problems and wasn't able to make a commitment, and was in serious therapy working on those problems. The main problem I have with what Lucy is doing is that she is marrying the guy. She listens to him talk about how she is an open book to him and how nobody has ever trusted him like this (strange thing for a therapist to say) and she doesn't bat an eye. With Victor, Lucy knew there was a secret; she was expecting a lot worse. So after thinking he might be stalking again or caught up with something Cassidine'ish, she was probably relieved his secret was as lame as it was, and she had already vowed she was going to forgive him. I think what's going to happen might be more comparable to the end of the Madame Maia story. She was blindsided, unprepared, as he is going to be. It took her a couple of months to forgive him for that. - -- Anne B eblood@xmission.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 01:43:04 -0400 From: Rika Subject: K&L: Kevin, Lucy, a Nightmare, and Self-Victims Gosh, I wish we were still on the 1994 transcripts! We need something more cheerful than Kevin's descent into temporary insanity right now. On the bright side, at least this storyline will remind us of Lucy's better days. Kevin probably wouldn't be alive today if Lucy hadn't been in his life during the summer and fall of 1996. Rika - ------------------------------- Kevin, Lucy, a Nightmare, and Self-Victims - August 13 and 14, 1996 Kevin is asleep on the sofa, wearing blue silk pajama bottoms. Some sort of paperwork is lying on his bare chest. We hear dripping water. He is having a dream; he can see a hallway. There is a doorway at the end of the hall; bright light shines out from under the door. Kevin seems to be saying, "Mom," though it is hard to tell. Lucy, wearing the top that matches Kevin's pajama bottoms, comes downstairs and wakes him up. L: "Doc, Doc?" K: "What, what, what, what, what happened? Did Mac call?" L: "No." K: "Is Felicia all right?" L: "No, no, no, no, nobody called, so that means Felicia's fine. Otherwise they would have called." (She looks at the paperwork.) "What are you doing? Are you trying to work? It is way too early for that. Come on, get up. Come back to bed." K: "I had the strangest, weirdest dream. It feels like Tom was in it." L: "Tom. So, do you think he's lying? Do you think he's really the stalker?" K: "Honest to God, I don't know." (Later they're eating breakfast.) L: "I still don't get it. If Felicia got a nasty phone call from Tom while Tom was there, in front of all of you, doesn't that prove he is not the stalker?" K: "I thought for a while it cleared him too." L: "Well, of course it does. Obviously someone must have somehow pieced together a tape just to make him look guilty." K: "Or innocent. Tom could have set up some sort of a voice service to make the call while he was there. A simple timing device would do the trick, and a little computer know-how." L: "But he couldn't possibly have known that you and Mac were going to be there." K: "That's true, that much is coincidence. But it was a rather convenient one since all it did was make Felicia dig her heels in." L: "So that's it, that's your theory. Some recording devicey thingy and a timer stuff, and that's how it happened." K: "Lucy, I hate suspecting Tom. But what if Felicia had been hurt?" L: "Don't even say that. Doc, you know this nightmare that you had. Is Felicia in it?" K: "I don't remember. All I remember is the fear." L: "Do you remember why you were so afraid?" K: "Not in the dream, but I know now. Felicia's loaded with guilt over mistrusting Tom the way she did. And I think that - " L: "I've been there. I've felt that - where you find out bad things about the man that you love." K: "Right. And I'm afraid that she do may do something drastic to prove that she trusts him now." The phone rings; Kevin answers it. It's Mac, who still thinks Tom is guilty. He wants Kevin's help again. Kevin refuses to help because he thinks he could do more harm than good; besides, "I'm walking too fine a line here as it is." He hangs up and returns to breakfast. L: "You're going to have to explain something to me here. You just told me that you're afraid that Felicia might do something stupid. And you're not even going to go over there and convince her not to do that?" K: "I never should have gotten so involved in the first place, Lucy. It was a bad idea to begin with. Tom Hardy is not only my friend and my colleague; I've acted as his therapist." L: "That's it, isn't it? You know him probably better than anybody, so you could help. Maybe that's why you're having this dream. Maybe the dream or nightmare or whatever it is means that Felicia is in some kind of danger. And you need to help her so then you won't have the dream anymore. And maybe you can help get her out of this nightmare she's been living with lately." Note that they've reversed positions here. Last night Lucy was trying to get Kevin to relax and take care of himself, and Kevin was insisting that Mac needed him. Anyhow, Kevin evidently listened to Lucy, because later he and Mac show up at the Brownstone. Felicia and Tom are both furious; Kevin apologizes to them both for his role in the situation and leaves. A while later, Lucy comes into the living room and finds Kevin sitting in a chair, staring pensively at his Madonna and Child paintings. She is surprised to see him. L: "Hey! What happened?" K: "Well, I don't know who the stalker is, but I'm convinced that it isn't Tom Hardy." L: "Oh, Doc, that is absolutely wonderful! I mean, it sends you and Mac back to square one to find out who it really is, but at least Tom's not it. That's good!" K: "I said *I* was convinced. I tried to apologize to Tom, but - Mac is on his own from here on out." L: "Wait; Mac still thinks that Tom - " K: "I am through playing cop. I have made a mess of Tom Hardy's life, professionally and personally. I've lost one friend; I may have lost two. I should have had the smarts to stay out of this from the begining." L: "I am so very proud of you. I mean it. I'm serious. Look what you did. You went to help a friend - Felicia. And I know that if Tom had turned out to be the stalker you would have gotten him the very best help. Doc, you're done. You did it. You can bow out gracefully now." K: "There's nothing graceful about this, Lucy." L: "Mac'll find him, whoever this sicko is, eventually Mac will figure it out." K: "Well, I find the whole business unutterably depressing." (He falls listlessly into his leather armchair and then has a realization.) "Oh - and I'm due at the park. I have to get myself together to teach a psych class in half an hour." L: "Well, that's good. You can do that. I mean, maybe it'll be good for you, you know, a little change of pace." K: "Yeah. Well, it looks like my notes are here, anyway. I will say this. I'm really glad to have Gina around; that girl is terrific." L: "You know, maybe you should try to tell her that once in a while. She's having a bit of a self-esteem problem. I think it's because she thinks that you hate her." K: "Why on earth would she think that?" L: "To tell the truth, you know, your temper has been just, oh, a little out of hand lately. And I mean, I understand, and I can deal with it. I'm me, you're you, we know. But Gina's a little young." K: "Gee, I didn't realize she was so sensitive. I'll try and say something apropos." L: "Of course you will, and it will be wonderful, just like your apology to Tom. And he will accept it eventually. Doc, you did the right thing. You should feel much, much better now. Your soul is fine. Everything's gonna be fine." K: "I feel a lot better." (He goes over to sit on the sofa next to Lucy.) K: "You know what? I love you very much." (Lucy strokes his jaw.) L: "Oh, Doc, I love you too." (A little later, they're still sitting on the couch; Kevin has his arm around Lucy and they're holding hands.) L: "Doc?" K: "Hmmm?" L: "I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Why don't I meditate on this? I bet you anything that I could figure out who the stalker is. I could use my psychic abilities. I mean, you can't argue with success, right?" K: "I don't know, Lucy." L: "Cogitate on it, and so will I." (He nods, with a sort of a "why not" shrug.) (Later, Kevin is looking at his class notebook, prepared by Gina.) K: "Do you see how meticulously she put this thing together? Everything's here - schedules, contact sheets, tests, lecture outlines. And it's color-coded. The red tabs mean I need to take care of this today, where the blue tabs mean I need to look at it over the next few days because it'll be a priority next week. This thing is a thing of organizational beauty." L: "I can see that." K: "Then could you tell me how Gina could possibly think that I'm unhappy with her work? Was she at all specific about how she came to such a bewildering conclusion?" L: "No, not really. I could just tell that she was really anxiety- plagued. In fact, I kind of recognized the way I used to be in her." K: "In what way?" L: "Well, you know, when you feel like a big fat phony because you're trying to be one thing when you're really something else, and just how terrible you are as a person, that's how it makes you feel inside when you realize that. Does that make sense?" K: "Clear as a bell." L: "You eventually get over it. It sure took me a long, long time. And everybody tends to exploit that fragility, and it makes you feel even worse about yourself. Oh, boy, and I'm probably making you feel worse about Gina. Doc, that's not what I meant to do. I don't want you to have an excuse to beat yourself up over this. I'm just telling you this because you can make it better. It's a very easy fix. All you have to do is be nice to Gina. Nice. You're a nice person, you can do it." (The phone is ringing; Kevin is divided between listening to Lucy and wanting to answer the phone.) K: "Thank you. Excuse me." (Kevin answers the phone. It's Mac, of course. Felicia has left town and Mac is worried. Kevin tells Lucy about it.) K: "I can't believe that she put herself in danger just to prove a point." L: "What would be that point?" K: "That she trusts Tom; that she doesn't believe he's the stalker." L: "Wait a minute, wait a minute. You don't believe he's the stalker either, right? Isn't that what you just said? So what's wrong with that?" K: "We don't know who it is. Whoever it is could still be out there. He could be trailing Felicia right now. And since she's so obligingly removed herself from the people who can protect her.... what is that woman using for brains?" (Well, that IS a worthwhile question where Felicia is concerned.) L: "You know, to me, Doc, it's pretty obvious. She loves Tom. They have just been through a horrific experience. She let Mac convince her that Tom was the stalker enough to hold a gun on him. She must be absolutely mortified. Don't you get it? (a) She's got to make it up to Tom somehow, and (B) she has to rid herself of any lingering doubts she has." K: "Well, she could have done that right here in Port Charles." L: "Maybe, but she didn't, she left. And I have a little newsflash for you and Mac. She's an adult; she's a grown woman; she has freedom of choice. And if she chooses to go out of town with her lover, that's her choice - she gets to go. Doc, Tom is perfectly capable of protecting her, just as much as you and Mac are. And I think he can pick up the phone if he needs help." K: "I'm getting on your nerves, aren't I?" L: "Yes, you know, to tell you the truth, you are. I'm just so frustrated. I hate watching you carrying the whole weight of the world on those shoulders. Doc, let Mac handle Felicia. You do what you do best." K: "Aye aye, cap'n. And for the moment, I have a class to teach. So what does your day look like?" L: "I have the ever-exciting photo shoot with Brenda. So if you need me, I will be there, okay - just call." K: "All right." L: "I'll see you. K: "Okay." (They kiss.) L: "Have a good day. K: "Thanks; you too." (Lucy starts to leave; then she turns back.) L: "Oh - Gina. Be nice to her." K: "Scout's honor." (Lucy leaves; almost the instant she goes, Kevin develops a bad headache.) Later, we see Kevin in the park, lecturing on self-victims. These are people with low self-esteem who therefore perceive themselves to be losers. Class is going fine until Kevin gets another headache. He loses his train of thought, and starts flipping madly through his notebook (the one Gina set up for him) to try to get back on track. He is furious that Gina isn't there; a student points out that he sent her back to the classroom to get a book. He rants about how long it's taking - maybe Gina is goofing off. Gina arrives, and Kevin sarcastically welcomes her. She nervously points out the outline he is looking for, and begins to blame herself for his confusion - perhaps she put it in the wrong place, or perhaps the organization of the binder wasn't clear. Kevin cruelly thanks Gina for a wonderful demonstration of self-victim behavior. Gina is devastated, but Kevin continues. He finally ends by saying: K: "Self-victims feel unworthy. Self-victims know they're guilty of far worse things than screwing up a teacher's notebook. They know they're guilty of things that they have never been properly punished for. And that's why self-victims encourage belittling - they believe it's merited. And who the heck are we to argue? All right, let's move on from self-victims to the idiots who love them." (He looks up to see the students squirming uncomfortably.) "What? Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor here?" (Just as with Kevin's prior lecture on survivor guilt, Gina bears the brunt of his anger, but he's really talking about himself. Most interesting.) A little later, we see Kevin at home, sleeping in his easy chair. He awakens, relaxed at first, but then something occurs to him. He stands up and looks in his briefcase. K: "Lucy? Lucy, have you seen my notes? I have to get to class." (Of course, there's no answer because Lucy is not home. Kevin notices the blinking light on the answering machine and retrieves this message:) Student: "Dr. Collins, this is Terry from psych class. I haven't been able to get the look on Gina's face out of my mind. You were way too hard on her today." Kevin is astonished; he rewinds the tape and listens to the message again, totally confused. He paces the room; his eyes fall on the book, "Disassociative Disorders" on the coffee table. He picks it up and thumbs through it. Then he drops the book as a severe headache hits him. He grips his head in pain, sinking to the couch, just as Lucy arrives home. She watches him, confused and worried. And that's all! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:29:14 -0400 From: Rika Subject: Re: K&L: Move over Lucy Logic At 10:31 PM 7/26/98 MST, Anne wrote: >On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:51:05 -0400, Rika wrote: >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >S >P >A >C >E > >> >>Lynn Herring said something really interesting in one of the soap magazines >>(I read it in the grocery store line so I don't remember which one). She >>said that Serena represented Lucy's one truly good deed, > >Now that's interesting. I wonder why she doesn't consider Jasmine >Island to be a truly good deed? Was it Lynn who felt this way, or >was this her take on how Lucy feels? Maybe somebody who has the magazine at home can confirm this, but I believe it was Lynn's take on how Lucy feels. I think maybe her role in Serena's existence might be more important to Lucy than anything she has done for Kevin because Serena and the surrogacy was the foundation of her evolution, on which everything since then has been built. I also wonder if Lucy might see her actions during and after Jasmine Island in a different category - not so much a conscious choice she made to do something good, but rather a case where she simply did what had to be done. If so, she's selling herself short - no one else on the planet could have led Kevin out of that nightmare with his life and his sanity intact - but maybe she doesn't see that. >Lucy gave alot of lip service to the fact that she had no problem with >Kevin's psychotic breakdown. But she really did, she didn't trust him, >she went behind his back to Gail, she spied on him and lied about it, >and she got upset at the littlest change in him. I have to say, if I put myself in Lucy's shoes back then, I think she handled it extremely well. Imagine how difficult it would be like to nearly lose the person you loved most in the world in such a frightening way, and then to get them back - but not *exactly*, because they were different in unpredictable ways. And he kept adding to that by insisting that he was a different person, a stranger that she didn't even know. She was terrified that he might have a relapse, and she was trying to prevent that and thus protect him and their relationship from further harm. She blamed herself for not seeing the signs of his problems last time, and she was probably more vigilant than might seem rational because she was trying not to repeat that mistake. And my recollection is that she didn't go to Gail until after Kevin had started lying to her about the letters from his father. His story didn't add up, so Lucy felt (correctly, as it turned out) that he was hiding something. That scared her to death for some pretty valid reasons. Rika - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:13:33 EDT From: Subject: K&L: In a word: WOW For those that haven't yet seen today's show: Spoiler P O I L E R Space P A C E In all honesty, I'm not sure what I'm here to say, and yet I'm so moved by today's show that I just have to come to the list and say so! UN-believable. Actually, that's not true: Jon & Lynn never disappoint, and today was no exception. It was one of those episodes, like so many others they've given us, that was heartbreaking, but so compelling. I've already seen it twice. On a more substantive note, one of Kevin's comments that stood out to me the most was when he said that Serena's accident was an accident, a mistake, and that "mistakes are forgiveable", but that what he couldn't get past was her lie to him. So this is mostly about trust. And that brings to my mind the M. Maia story. Lucy was the one who lost the sense of trust in that storyline. [Although I suppose it can be argued that Kevin did as well. I can't say that I blame him for being unable to trust Lucy with the truth about the ghost- making equipment]. But be that as it may, she was hurt to the core, and lost her trust in him. Now he is the one in that position. Question is, how will Lucy deal with this shoe that is now on the other foot? Kevin pretty much faced it, accepted it, and tried his darndest to fix it. (I love that line of his, "We're in a crisis of my making....") I just suspect given how different the 2 of them are that she won't deal with it in the same head-on style that he did. But if she goes on yet another vendetta, or remains in denial about her actions, instead of dealing with this, I won't be an unhappy-but-riveted K/L fan......I'll just be a miserably irritated one......... Regina - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:50:08 EDT From: Subject: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? S P A C E for S P O I L E R S Do you think K&L will eventually get back together or could this be the end of the line for our dynamic duo? In case you havent seen today's show. Kevin asked Lucy if she would move out of the Lighthouse. She cried, he cried and think if Siggy knew what was going on he would have cried too :) Jon Lindstrom & Lynn Herring have been amazing--I thought I wouldnt be able to watch Monday's episode when Doc called off the wedding but yet I saw some glimmer of hope when Kevin couldnt bring himself to say that he would never marry Lucy--just not today. Lucy made me proud when she told Felicia that she wanted to continue as her maid of honor, brushed her tears away and said with a very Scarlett OHara attitude that she would win Kevin back. I think today we saw a small break through for Lucy--when Kevin brought up the fact that she may have lost Serena forever Lucy paniced--she said that she couldnt lose another child and mention how important this day was for her & Kevin to be married on because it was the anniversary of Lucy's miscarriage--she wanted to erase that day by replace it with a wedding anniversary--"that we would made magic and create another baby" I have always believed that Lucy what has been motivating Lucy isnt some residual love feelings she has for Scott but her obsession with Serena & the past miscarriages. Lucy clings to the mother figure role in Serena's life because deep down inside she truly believes that's all she will ever have. Its apparent that the last miscarriage is always in her thoughts and in heart--this baby was different from the others because Lucy wasnt using a pregnancy to scam or for greedy--that baby was conceieved in a love that Lucy had never known before. I think once Lucy truly hits the bottom--and I think her confrontation with Scott soon to come will do that--she will begin fight her way back and become the old evolved Lucy we've all known and loved. Lucy needs to see the truth, she needs to put Serena & Scott in the right perspective. Now my question is how long do you think Lucy & Kevin will be seperated for? A few weeks, a few months...long enough to start dating other people and living seperate lives ala Brenda & Sonny. Look how long it took for them to get back together :) I'm speculating that the General Homocide killer will go after either Kevin or will try to get to Kevin through Lucy and this might be the catalyst (sp?) that brings them back together. Perhaps before apprehending the GH murderer Kevin is critically hurt I think the jolt would finally wake Lucy up..would make her realize the truth and what she feels for this man and what she has to in order to have a future for him--let the past be past and concentrate on the future. I think the seperation will be good for both characters but I hope it doesnt last to long--the idea of Lucy or Kevin dating somebody else (for example some people has suggest a flirtatious Eve & Kevin pairing. YUCK ) doesnt sit well me at all LOL. K&L belong together like Spencer Tracy & Katherine Hepburn. I'm hoping for a November sweeps wedding--something quiet, intimate, heartfelt and elegant down by the duck pond with GH crossover from Mac & Felicia Scorpio and Luke Spencer. I'm counting on Victor to come up with some sneaky, wacky love chart to get K&L back together! LOL Tanya - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:20:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Kowalski Subject: Re: K&L: K&L : Will Hope Float? On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 TC8870@aol.com wrote: > S > P > A > C > E > for > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S (much snipping occurs) > I'm speculating that the General Homocide killer will go > after either Kevin or will try to get to Kevin through Lucy and this might be > the catalyst (sp?) that brings them back together. Perhaps before > apprehending the GH murderer Kevin is critically hurt I think the jolt would > finally wake Lucy up..would make her realize the truth and what she feels for > this man and what she has to in order to have a future for him--let the past > be past and concentrate on the future. Actually I'd like the opposite to happen: Lucy is critically injured saving Kevin from the GH Killer. After seeing today's episode both are in different areas of Denial City. Lucy now knows she's screwed up big time and she's willing to grind it out to make things right. Kevin's the one tossing her out of the Lighthouse and refusing to deal with this head on, which I can understand right now. Lucy knows she loves Kevin and to what extent she does, it's Kevin who questions Lucy's love due to the whole trust issue. While not clearing up the trust issue, saving him from the GH killer and nearly losing her life in the process would be the eye opener he needs to see that they can work past this and get back on track. As for Victor's hand in getting them back together I can definately see him doing that. He's been slowly growing on me and his defense of Siggy along with asking Kevin not to do anything he'd regret only makes Victor grow on me more. And speaking of Siggy, what does the rest of his family think about him being dragged off to live with Lucy? Unless Lucy stashed the rest of them in her car off camera, which would just make the PC Hotel and her eventual roomie just love her more. I went back and reread the Q&A session TV Guide online did with Jon during the spring just as the General Homicide storyline was kicking off. I found it interesting to note that when asked about Keving and Lucy getting hitched he noted that probably they'd get to the altar and something, probably of Lucy's making, would stop the wedding. Unless he knew that far in advance, whihc I doubt, he called it right on the nose. As for whether they'll get back together or not I've already stated my bet that they'll be living together again sometime before the end of August with a nice November Sweeps wedding preceded by a very romantic proposal on Lucy's part. I just hope they make it to the altar before Joe and Karen. And my hat goes off to whoever is in charge of diagetic sound for the show. Having the organist play 'Love Will Keep Us Together' by The Captain and Tenille when Lucy went to the minister's office was priceless. Now let's just hope that was a bit of foreshadowing on their part. - -Nicole, who's more than willing to take a job writing for PC if offered it since she's getting that CW degree in the fall, Redo - - ------------------------------ End of kevin-and-lucy-digest V1 #54 ***********************************