From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #215 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Sunday, May 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 215 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:16:33 +0800 From: Stephen Ives Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out Attila Bujt=E1s wrote: > > > The very first ambient CD... > come on now - there is a stack of stuff from Eno / Tangerine Dream / Klau= s Shultz that predates chill out by 10 or twenty years that sure as hell is ambien= t - now if you mean the term 'ambient-house' then perhaps you are correct! - -- DD PRODUCTIONS LIMITED Tel +852 2982 0113 Fax +852 2982 4005 info@dd.com.hk http://www.dd.com.hk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:34:41 PDT From: "timothy muck" Subject: (klf) philosophy I'll try to keep this brief and less than arcane, but in terms of carrying on the new born tradition of the klf, does anyone else see a certain anarchy in their work? A willingness to fuck the system without getting sued? And towards that end, what are people doing? How are you fucking with the system? What plans do you have or what plans are you executing? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:49:12 PDT From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers >I'm sorry for missunderstanding, it sure happened because of my >bad english.. :) > Hey, don't worry about it. Your English is WAY better than a lot of people I know, and it's the only kanguage they speak! Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:58:13 PDT From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? It's prett cool! Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:32:15 -0700 From: "sfwd" Subject: Re: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton : I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". : what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? : : It's prett cool! : Its a remix by Cauty of the Black Dog's Babylon track. Not sure exactly which release of the single the track is actually on as I only have the promo cd, but more info can be obtained at www.feedback.com/tbd/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:33:58 -0400 From: Positive Void Communications Subject: Re: (klf) made @ 3am Message text written by Jan-Terje Vellene >I still would like to know what this CD sounds like. An ambient 'voyage' a la Chill Out with excerpts from old JAMMs/KLF stuff plus assorted other songs, or any 'new' unreleased materi= al from Bill'n Jimi... ?< it's pretty difficult to describe what the track sounds like in the same way as it would be near impossible to describe (with any accuracy) what chill out space or waiting sounds like to someone who hasn't heard them an ambient voyage ? . . . yes that certainly fits excerpts from old JAMMs/KLF stuff ? . . . yes again it certainly carries the "compiled and collated" trade mark style any new unreleased material from bill and jimmy . . . well there is material that i've not heard anywhere else but whether it's bill and jimmy or just samples o= f other artists i am not qualified to say the first time i listened to it i could easily imagine bill and jimmy getting back to trancentral after one of their exploits and playing around with the vario= us tunes and sound samples to create an audio soundscape to their state of mind to paraphrase a current floor varnish advert here in the uk - to my mind "it is exactly what it says on the label" hope that helps tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:54 +0100 From: "Eatherington, Mark" Subject: (klf) made @ 3am "made @ 3am KLF coming down off e" is this an un/official release an un/authorized bootleg ? regarding the track(s) themselves, did J&B have anything to do with the creation/production or is it a 'fan release' ? Forgive my ignorance, but I've only recently re-dug out all my vinyl after about 5 yrs and got back into KLF/JAMMS - my last purchase was the KLF/ENT 7" when it came out, and I haven't listened to any of them until the last month or so. I'm gradually trawling the websites to get back up to date, but it takes time.... God I was stupid to stop listening to this stuff... Evo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:38:10 +0100 (BST) From: ee52kt@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Kyle M Thompson) Subject: Re: (klf) made @ 3am U>btw, the order still stands, no matter if it's only Bill belching for one U>hour ;) excellent, i want a copy of bill belching for 1 hour! i'm sure it'll mix in nicely with my cd of jimmy farting, and gimpo snezing. kyle, still here for the moment # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:39:27 EDT From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's I wrote: > I won't say whom because I don't know if he'd > want to be bothered if he's no longer on the list, but I'll ask him. Then I replied: According to the original provider of the files the mp3s were created from, he got them from a list member who claimed to know a member of ENT (I vaguely recall this, actually... really vaguely) and got them from him. Personally, I don't know anything of ENT to even say it could possibly be them. While I'd be reluctant to say they were *definately* Black Room Demos, or embryonic tracks, the cd is still going with the KLF stuff. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:34:09 -0400 From: Positive Void Communications Subject: (klf) copy of original mail well it would appear that quite a lot of you didn't get my original mail so here is a copy To: "'klf@xmission.com'", INTERNET:klf@xmission.com From: Positive Void Communications, INTERNET:ChillOut@compuserve.com Date: 5/14/99, 12:05 AM Re: (klf) Once in a lifetime = = = greetings = = on the 20th and 21st of march 1999 i was privileged to join gimpo mad and kevin (is that the energy of love in my shorts or have i just followed through) dean on this years m25 - 25 hour spin = whilst orbiting london an exclusive track by jimmy cauty's acoustic armourments association was played as part of the films soundtrack and a conversation ensued about how jimmy was thinking of selling one of his sonic sound system apv's = those of you who know me will be well aware that i have spent much of the last decade putting together the most comprehensive collection of KLF (et al) music and memorabilia in the uk (and probably the rest of the world) = unable to resist such an opportunity i have in the last few weeks been working to agree a price which both jimmy and i are happy with but needless to say the value of such an item is monumentally high as the sound system alone is worth over 15 thousand uk pounds = my driving force for buying the tank is to organise a free 4 day rave over the millenium (31/12 - 3/1) that will rival the last massive free ra= ve that took place on uk soil in 1992 at druggers end near malvern in worcestershire just before the public order and criminal justice bill came into effect = needless to say i need to raise some of the funds to get this project moving and so i have dug deep into my collection and picked out one of the previously unreleased and unique recordings that i have and propose to exclusively release the 45 minute track on a strictly limited edition (500 copies only) professionally produced cd = sadly the track has no name but is simply marked "made @ 3am = KLF coming down off e" and can best be described as a true ambient house classic every bit the equal (imho) of chill out and waiting = if the attraction of having this recording alone is not sufficient motivation each cds individual number will be logged and used in a "raffle style draw" the winning cd owner will be invited along to meet jimmy when he/she may get the cd autographed = i am acutely aware that there are still some list members who have not yet received their cds from lsom projects (i count myself in this lis= t) and still others who may have given up all hope of seeing either their cd or money back from mike dutton = to those skeptically minded all i can say is that i have been on this lis= t for the best part of 5 years and in that time i have helped many of you find KLF rarities and not so rarities without cause for complaint in eith= er my reliability or punctuality of delivery = unfortunately i am also conscious that there is an increased risk that within a short time of the cds release a more industriously minded individual may take it upon him/herself to rip the track to mp3 and drop it onto their website or some other cd collection = to avoid confusion here is how the cds release will work : 1. DO NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY NOW 2. if you are interested in supporting this project by buying a cd please= send me a mail with *cd project* as the subject header and the details of your desired order in the message body 3. orders will be received until 23/06/99 or until the cds are sold out (whichever is sooner) 4. after the 23/06/99 all orders will be confirmed along with details for= payment 5. once an order is confirmed you will have 2 weeks to get payment to me (should payment not be received - your order may be reallocated) 6. all paid up orders will despatched from 23/07/99 onwards 7. on the 23/08/99 gimpo will draw the winning cd number and it will be published on the list thereafter 8. interested participants will also be given advance notification of details about the free rave to fuck the millennium = the last detail is that of cost - the cd will be priced 25 ukp inclusive = of p+p i realise this is slightly more than the average cost of a cd album here in the uk however this is slightly more than an average cd album = i look forward to your future communications = thanx for your indulgance = tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:21:38 +1000 From: "Don" Subject: (klf) Wynette special on cable Tammy Wynette special on Fox/Tel Country Music channel Australia on the 24th May. CDs & DVDs to trade - http://www.qd.com.au/~altered # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:52:21 -0400 From: "vig" Subject: (klf) FA: Whitney Joins 12"(JAMS24T) & Bill Drumond solo LP Hello again. I currently have a couple more JAMS/KLF items up for auction on eBay. The auctions end Sunday, May 23. JAMS - Whitney Joins The Jams UK 1 sided 12" (JAMS 24T) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105008804 Bill Drummond - "The Man" Solo LP from 1989 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105007280 Still a few KLF & Synthpop items available on my website: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm More to be added soon.... Again, thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:24:18 +0200 From: erik Subject: Re: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton At 17:58 20.05.99 PDT, Chad Gombosi wrote: >I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". >what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? >It's prett cool! It's called "My Pasty Weighs A Ton" new discographical information: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jimmy Cauty - remixes and production work [The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon] [on The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon CD1] CD5: 1999 UK (warner.esp; WESP006CD1) [digipak w/room for CD2] 5:41 Babylon (a k9 ate my pasty) [infected by the Scourge Of The Earth - remix by Jimmy "KLF" Cauty] [The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon] [on The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon CD2] CD5: 1999 UK (warner.esp; WESP006CD2) 4:10 Babylon (my pasty weighs a ton) [infected by the Scourge Of The Earth - remix by Jimmy "KLF" Cauty] The first remix (A K9 ATE MY PASTY) sounds a bit like "It Must Be Obvious" in the beginning of the Stadium House video, a bit more 'abienty', the second mix (MY PASTY WEIGHS A TON) is a nice dance track, but both mixes have the same basis. I think they are both quite good. :-) erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:44:00 +0100 From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:41:19 +0100 From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:41:19 +0100 From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:36:06 -0400 From: "Neil Kelly" Subject: (klf) The Man available For those who haven't run across a copy yet, Bill Drummond's "The Man" is available from Bar-None Records for $8, vinyl or cassette. Look over at www.bar-none.com for it. Neil neil@neilbert.com www.neilbert.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:54:41 +0200 From: Brian Nissen Subject: (klf) FNORD FTP server. Hi there. I heard some of you talk about a FTP server named fnord, is it possible to get the adress and password?? Thanx over and out. Nissen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:01:49 EDT From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com Subject: (klf) WTIL (Echo and the Bunnymeny mix) on CD The following tracks can be found on INDIE TOP 20 CD compilations KLF - What Time Is Love (Echo and the Bunnymen mix) - Indie Top CD Vol10 (TT010CD) KLF - Kylie Said To Jason - Indie Top 20 Vol Viii (TT08CD) Best wishes Antony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:51 -0500 From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room Integrity At 04:44 PM 5/23/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been >able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the >day". > >Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the >infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the >blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the >underlying sound changes. > >Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of >samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including >the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled >from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus >contact the vinyl at the beginning. That doesn't sound like a stylus hitting vinyl to me: that sounds like someone hitting record and walking away from the tape recorder. Analogue tape decks have rumble too, especially cheap portable ones. Typically, a stylus hitting a turntable makes a low-and-high-frequency "crack", not a "blop" that sounds like someone hit/moved the microphone like on these MP3s. I've MP3ed vinyl before. These tracks are clearly MP3ed from an analog tape source. So tell me, if there are "samples that they used a PC package to create", why are they: A) So half-assed. Typically, tracks made with PC-based sampling packages are rather precise, and it takes a -lot- of work to make them half-assed in the same way the MP3s are. B) Why would a sample-based song even -contain- a turntable drop? Anyone with the slightest idea of how to use a sampler would edit that out. C) PC-based sampling packages were -not- that advanced back in 1992, so if couldn't be the KLF if your idea is true. Back in 92, RAM cost $30-40 a meg. I couldn't create these tracks on an S1000, pretty much the best thing out there when these tracks were created, and I doubt B&J could either. Especially when they could just ask ENT over. D) If someone faked this, why would they -go to the trouble- of not only recording a half-assed metal band play 7 tracks, then mangle the tape, - -then- MP3 it? What, when taken from the MP3 and put into a PC-based sound program, specifically -showed- you that these were a mishmash of samples thrown together? Tell me your technique, and I'll duplicate it here. >Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my doubts it's the KLF. All signs, however, given the style and quality of the tracks are rather similar to ENT and what ENT did with the KLF is that these were analog "home" rehearsal recording of ENT, possibly with the tracks they were going to cut with the KLF of the Black Room. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:41:38 PDT From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room Integrity >I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my doubts it's >the KLF. All signs, however, given the style and quality of the tracks >are rather similar to ENT The 3am ENT version is a lot faster than these tracks though don't you think? This supposed Black Room stuff is pretty boring as far as metal goes. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #215 *************************