From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #295 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Saturday, February 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 295 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:46:04 +0100 From: "Attila Bujt=?ISO-8859-1?B?4Q==?=s" Subject: RE: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > somebody on the list had mentioned (suggested?) putting the fnord archives > on Hotline for all to abuse... > > I may actually be willing to do this, once i figure out a way to swing a > larger Hard Drive (my cuirrent one is only 4 gigs). > > Wehile i dont have ALL of the materials that the fnord server did, i DO have > probably 1/2 to 2/3rds... at least one full cds worth, and im sure that some > list members would help out as well... > > Any input? I could upload almost everything from a 20k fast cable. Attila # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:18:19 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! You are such a dipshit. Excuse my English too please. Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:35:23 -0800 From: Shilo & Michele Maggi Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! Nice attitude. Namecalling rocks. Mature, too. - -s- > You are such a dipshit. > > Excuse my English too please. > > Chad > ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:51:47 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! >Nice attitude. > >Namecalling rocks. Mature, too. > Sorry. I shouldn't have said that. It's just that it seems to me that people are so used to getting stuff for free online (shareware, MP3s, warez, ect) that it gets to the point where they think that someone *owes* them the stuff. If some guy has a server and some stuff on it and he wants to be picky about who uses it, that's totaly within his rights. If he want's to only three people in on it, so what? Just because he has a server does not obligate him to give everyone, or anyone access to it. No tax dollars go to support fnord (well, none of mine anyway). And if the machine is a mere Pentum 60 with 24 MB of RAM and a HD with many defective sectors (such is the case with fnord last I knew), and he says it's getting bogged by too much traffic, I believe him! Maybe *he* actually wants to use the thing for something (storing his own stuff to make it accessable to him when on another machine, which is what I do). And when something unfortunate like this happens (the closing of fnord) and someone writes the sysop a email calling him a selfish horder or whatever because while he was giving away dozens of MP3s to hundereds of people he just wasn't giving *enough*...it seems to earn the name dipshit. Not in a dogmatic sense, but an almost scientific sense. But I won't do anymore name calling around here. I promise. But as for maturity...this is the KLF mailing list right? The I'm going to go paint my band's name on a private billboard, burn a million quid KLF? OK, I'll be more mature now too. Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:19:54 -0800 From: Shilo & Michele Maggi Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! > But as for maturity...this is the KLF mailing list right? The I'm going to > go paint my band's name on a private billboard, burn a million quid KLF? Touche. Cheers! - -s- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:50:40 +0500 From: Dan Subject: (klf) (KLF) Chill Out and others... Hi, all ! There is a small problem - in my country (as it seems), there is NO KLF music at all !! I'm talking about Russia... All I have is 7 year old The White Room album (with no inlays/credits etc.) - not a CD but tape, and copy of The KLF FAQ (oct 1994). It is impossible, but it is true ... I only know (from FAQ)that there are such great things as Doctorin' The Tardis, Chill Out, It's Grim Up North etc. - but NEVER had a chance to listen them ! So, somebody help me - where can I find MP3 variants of this realy great music ? Please, don't send me megabytes of music directly (i have only a 19200 and VERY HIGH prices for the Internet access) - only some adresses if you can ! With best regards Dan mailto: dan88@bashnet.ru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:44:12 +0000 From: Jon Herbert Subject: (klf) Fnord If Attila wants a KLF ftp server everyone can access, with the associated maintenance costs and copyright hassles, he can always set his own up... Jon Herbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:20:11 -0000 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) Thanx David! >therefore the server has to close. Sorry Stuart, but surely if the server is intended as a private one and the various list members who are complaining now its gone were all direct invitees there - rather than friends of friends of friends of the original invitees - then presumably all that needs to be done is for the login and password to be changed and then emailed privately to the chosen few. I don't quite see how "therefore the server has to close" at all. Assuming the server software allows it, the number of simultaneous connections could be lowered to prevent a recurrence in similar circumstances. Then who's seriously lost out? OK, over a period, there's a likelihood that some people will be given the l/p second-hand, and gradually the traffic will build up - but while it's a pain in the arse, I would have thought it was reasonably manageable. I agree, it was probably naive giving the l/p out (to me) on the mailing list rather than privately - but nevertheless, it was just on a private mailing list, not on a non-private usenet newsgroup. And I was grateful - even if I barely had time to see what riches were on there. And I think it's great if someone goes to the time and trouble of setting up an ftp server for all this material, but as KLF fans they will have been benefiting too - from the uploads people were making there. It's obviously a personal viewpoint as to whether that benefit offsets the extra hassle that maintaining such a server entails. At the end of the day, Attila made a mistake, but with good intentions and no malice intended. People are flaming him because they've lost out. I'm sorry but resumption of the private service shouldn't be a difficult one to attain if that's how it was truly intended, then everyone will be happy 8-) And finally, while I don't have a particularly fast or cheap connection to the 'net, I do have a large KLF collection and am happy to MP3 whatever I can for Shilo & Michelle, if they can get their plans off the ground. Cheers, Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:35:03 -0000 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: (klf) Studio Tapes A few people have mentioned these recently, and one track that's surfaced (both in emails and mp3) seems to be known as LUTT or "UFO To Trancentral". Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin of these recordings? And also, what's known to exist etc etc? Yours (trying to get the mailing list back to talking about The KLF), Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:16:58 +0100 (CET) From: Adam Hauner Subject: Re: (klf) (KLF) Chill Out and others... On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Dan wrote: > It is impossible, but it is true ... I only know (from FAQ)that there > are such great things as Doctorin' The Tardis, Chill Out, It's Grim Up > North etc. - but NEVER had a chance to listen them ! It's Grim Up North is available on: http://web.pinknet.cz/aha/klf-igun.zip (39MB) Contains: The KLF - It's Grim Up North (For Love Not Money Club Mix).mp3 The KLF - It's Grim Up North (Omsk Mix).mp3 The KLF - It's Grim Up North (Part 1).mp3 The KLF - It's Grim Up North (Part 2).mp3 The KLF - It's Grim Up North (Radio Edit).mp3 The KLF - It's Grim Up North (Razormaid Mix).mp3 The KLF - Jerusalem On The Moors.mp3 - -- Adam Hauner - -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ http://postcard.cz - http://alenka.cz ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:06:33 +0100 From: Mattias Frid Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! At 02:38 2000-02-26 , you wrote: >Another thing: I remember the KLF/KLF L/P. Do you remember? Guess how did I >know. VIA THE LIST. In the last year. If you remember that you must also remember why the l/p changed that time, and why the server was closed all together for a while? Oh, you don't? Well, let me refresh your memory then and also fill the new comers in... The fnord server was closed some time ago because of the same reasons it's closed now. Somebody blurted out the l/p in the wrong forum and soon all the info of the server had been submitted to mp3 search engines and such and the traffic became too much. After that Sponk added some textfiles to the server, clearly stating that the info shouldn't be spread like that or he would take the server down forever. You remember now, Attila? Now let's just let this matter go by... //Frid - ----------------------------------------------------- Mattias Frid "People say: 'Just read the Framtidsv. 4:313 facts!' Well, I've read them, S-35252 Vaxjo and you can have them back!" SWEDEN - Bill Drummond, "The Man" - http://www.student.vxu.se/home/mfrsv95/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:35:22 +0300 From: Alex Matveev Subject: Re: (klf) (KLF) Chill Out and others... Hello Dan, Saturday, February 26, 2000, 10:50:40 AM, you wrote: D> There is a small problem - in my country (as it seems), D> there is NO KLF music at all !! I'm talking about Russia... D> All I have is 7 year old The White Room album (with no inlays/credits D> etc.) - not a CD but tape, and copy of The KLF FAQ (oct 1994). D> It is impossible, but it is true ... I only know (from FAQ)that there D> are such great things as Doctorin' The Tardis, Chill Out, It's Grim Up D> North etc. - but NEVER had a chance to listen them ! D> So, somebody help me - where can I find MP3 variants of this realy gre= at D> music ? Please, don't send me megabytes of music directly (i have only D> a 19200 and VERY HIGH prices for the Internet access) - only some D> adresses if you can ! =EE=EA=EE=EB=EE 3 CD MP3 KLF-related =F2=E2=EE=F0=F7=E5=F1=F2=E2=E0 =E2 =F2=EE=EC =F7=E8=F1=EB= =E5 =F0=E0=F0=E8=F2=E5=F2=FB, =E2=E8=E4=E5=EE =EC=EE=E6=E5=F2 =E1=FB=F2=FC =E4=E0=E6=E5 4 =ED=E0=E1=E5=F0=E5=F2=F1=FF -= =E2 =EF=EE=F0=FF=E4=EE=EA =E5=F9=E5 =ED=E5 =EF=F0=E8=E2=E5=EB =E5=F1=EB=E8 =E8=ED=F2=E5=F0=E5=F1=ED=EE =EF=EE=EA=F3=EF=E0=F2=FC =EF=EE = 250=F0 =E7=E0 =E4=E8=F1=EA - =EF=F0=E8=E2=E5=E4=F3 =E2 =F2=EE=E2=E0=F0=ED= =FB=E9 =E2=E8=E4 - --=20 Best regards, Alex mailto:zaz968@mosbusiness.ru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:35:36 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: (klf) Archive I've re-found the archive, sorry (it's a bit hard to find the info you want though!) http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/klf/archive/ Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:12:06 EST From: "Neil Kelly" Subject: Re: (klf) Thanx David! >You just forgot one thing: IT WAS FOR THE KLF LIST MEMBERS not for the >public. Nobody advertise it for the public. NOBODY. But this list is publicly archived. Therefore, *you* advertised it publicly. I never had a problem getting the password to fnord if I wanted to poke around and see what was available, I simply emailed the administrators. Alas, 'tis no more. Next time, when it says "do not publicly post the password" (or words to that effect), take heed. - -neilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: victor alexander Subject: (klf) Re: RE: I don't know. It's downloaded by my friend from a Hotline MP3 server. There is another one, the 02_LoveTime. I will put on tripod soon, but we have to complete the download first what is not that easy because it's a 56k modem server. (Sometimes the speed is 500 byte/sec :o[ ) I thought that you guys know that track. From: Don Gagen To: "'victor alexander'" Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:43:12 -0600 Is this a home made remix? If not, where did it come from? - -----Original Message----- From: victor alexander [mailto:vixander@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:58 AM To: KLF Subject: http://www.members.tripod.com/heavy_cargo/03_UfoToTrancentral Is this the one that some mention as LUTT? ===== Victor Alexander "Life is too harsh, my coffee shouldn't be" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ===== Victor Alexander "Life is too harsh, my coffee shouldn't be" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:54:48 +0000 (GMT) From: " \"Christopher.D.Gilmour\"" Subject: (klf) DowningStreet white room I've been on this list for a long time and although it's a lame subject, no one's ever mentioned the white room in 10 Downing Street. The 10 downing street web site has a page devoted to it http://www.number-10.gov.uk/default.asp?Pageld=63 BORING # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:54:06 -0000 From: "Twilight Isotope" Subject: Fw: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline What exactly is the aim of this? To create a mirror of Fnord? Or a totally new archive? The Fnord l/p has been announced on this list several times in the past... But AFAIK it has always been intended for the (light) use of the list members and not for public release... The l/p, I believe, was last changed because Fnord had been found on many search engines.... I think that type of availability is a bad idea, and not only because of the bandwidth problems it can create.... I don't think a new archive would be a very good idea... I have great respect for Sponk & co for what they have done for this community... I don't know if Fnord is offline entirely or just has a new l/p (well it still seems to be up, but I have no idea about who has access). If it is still around, I don't see the point of creating a new archive... If there is now no Fnord at all tho, maybe it would be a good idea... And I know Fnord has problems with disk space... I don't know about hotline, but you're gonna need about 5 gig at least for everything that is going to be around in the near future... And a reliable host and decent bandwidth.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shilo & Michele Maggi" Cc: "KLF (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 1:20 AM Subject: Re: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > > X- > > Thanks kindly. > > Its going to take me a week or two to get everything sorted and work on > scraping $ together for a new hard drive, etc. In the meantime, any > suggestions from list members are greatly appreciated! > > Those who do contribute in any significant form will be given admin accounts > on the server. > > Cheers all! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: victor alexander Subject: (klf) Re: RE: I don't know. It's downloaded by my friend from a Hotline MP3 server. There is another one, the 02_LoveTime. I will put on tripod soon, but we have to complete the download first what is not that easy because it's a 56k modem server. (Sometimes the speed is 500 byte/sec :o[ ) I thought that you guys know that track. From: Don Gagen To: "'victor alexander'" Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:43:12 -0600 Is this a home made remix? If not, where did it come from? - -----Original Message----- From: victor alexander [mailto:vixander@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:58 AM To: KLF Subject: http://www.members.tripod.com/heavy_cargo/03_UfoToTrancentral Is this the one that some mention as LUTT? ===== Victor Alexander "Life is too harsh, my coffee shouldn't be" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:14:00 +0100 From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Shilo & Michele > Maggi Sent: samedi 26 f=E9vrier 2000 01:04 > To: Mailing List KLF > Subject: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > > > > somebody on the list had mentioned (suggested?) putting the fnord > archives on Hotline for all to abuse... > > I may actually be willing to do this, once i figure out a way to > swing a larger Hard Drive (my cuirrent one is only 4 gigs). > > Wehile i dont have ALL of the materials that the fnord server > did, i DO have > probably 1/2 to 2/3rds... at least one full cds worth, and im > sure that some > list members would help out as well... > > Any input? > i can help you. I have quite a big KLF collection, and would be willing to make mp3 copies of anything. Let me know Cheers Xav - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 iQA/AwUBOLcaya6baoXJ3KzBEQKHmACfb3wT8Q3vau8BIBgFZXjoFZyNVk4AnRKw R2Fl4bF0jnpzhUMIfWJIMiOk =3DsVeD - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:23:28 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: (klf) How long has the list been going/is there an archive/fnord? Hello all, I was just wondering how long the mailing list has been going. I first subscribed when the list also covered the Orb, and am pretty confident it wasn't terribly long after the KLF "retired", maybe 92 or earlier. Does anyone have some more exact details on when it first started? Also, is there an archive, in particular going back to the start of the list? I'm sure there used to be but I've forgotten where it is :) My two-penneths re fnord: I too agree that the site has been mentioned with somewhat "hushed tones". I've been on and off the list for a long time as I said above and have never had access to it, but since I mostly lurk I don't expect to automatically receive download rights to someone else's site (plus to be fair I've never asked). It would be nice of course, but it's not a right. That said, I believe that if the KLF's music is to be liberated, kopyright liberated shall we say, it ought to be for all. For example, some excellent MP3 sets were produced a few years ago by a list member and sold for a pretty high fee. Initially that might have been (just about) justifiable to help defer the cost of the collection and the then high price of CDRs and writers. However simple maths would suggest that from the number of enquiries on this list, the number of people who say they've bought the set, and the general net interest in KLF MP3s (I get a lot of trading enquries about them), a *very* considerable profit has been made. This locking out of list members by password or price doesn't seem correct to me. What I think we ought to do is look into the possibility of CDR trees. For too long a lot of the posts on this list have been about money, "how much is this worth?", "I'm pressing (an extortionately priced) bootleg", etc. We all love the KLF, so let's go co-operative! I've already got hold of the first 3 MP3 collections by trading with an esteemed list member (alas my CDR drive is broken at the moment so can't trade any more for a while) and that is much more preferable than paying 45 quid for them. It's also IMHO more ETHICAL to trade for "liberated" material than charge for it. Because of the huge number of rare items, there's tons of stuff to trade, and with new material coming online (such as the MP3 of Bill on Radio 4) I think that might continue... Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:04:32 -0000 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: (klf) Review of "45" in today's Guardian There is a fairly long and generally positive review of "45" in the "Saturday" part of today's Guardian. It's also on one of the Guardian's websites: http://www.booksunlimited.co.uk/reviews/artsandentertainment/0,6121,140611,00.html Cheers, Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:16:42 EST From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > I don't know about hotline, but you're gonna need about 5 gig > at least for everything that is going to be around in the near future... And > a reliable host and decent bandwidth.... I don't think that much. Depends how much lossly related K material you intend on having. I made an mp3 collection for work and it's about a cd and a half at 128k. Add all the other misc tracks and maybe 3 full cds, or a gig and a half. Of course, if you'll be adding videos, then... - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:26:52 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) How long has the list been going/is there an archive/fnord? I was just wondering how long the mailing list has been going. I first subscribed when the list also covered the Orb, and am pretty confident it wasn't terribly long after the KLF "retired", maybe 92 or earlier. Does anyone have some more exact details on when it first started? The list has been going since at least 1990/1991, because that's when I first joined... Lazlo? Also, is there an archive, in particular going back to the start of the list? I'm sure there used to be but I've forgotten where it is :) Archives are at http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/klf/archive/ Hope this helps, Nick King ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:47:54 +0100 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) E-Train To Trancentral Hi, I asked for this "Last Train To Trancentral" version some days ago. You can hear it in "Waiting", in "What Time Is Love? Virtual Reality Mix" and in this "Made @ 3 a.m." thing. So I am very sure that it is/was available on 12". Now the question: Is THIS "E-Train To Trancentral"? (The woman's voice sounds very "Eish" I think :) How does the "Last Train To Trancentral" remix version from the KLF 008R sound like? - -- Torsten Pattberg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:02:15 -0800 From: Shilo & Michele Maggi Subject: Re: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > What exactly is the aim of this? To create a mirror of Fnord? Or a totally > new archive? It would be a totally new archive, but considering the fact that fnord had such a huge library, I hesitate to actually use the term "new". > I don't think a new archive would be a very good idea... I have great > respect for Sponk & co for what they have done for this community... I don't > know if Fnord is offline entirely or just has a new l/p (well it still seems > to be up, but I have no idea about who has access). If it is still around, I > don't see the point of creating a new archive... I completely agree. This is in no way an attempt to replace fnords contributions, and if fnord *IS* still available then this is probably not necessary. However, there WERE alot of people who had no access to fnord even while it WAS around, and I am sure that if it IS still in existance, it will be on an even MORE insanely elite (and I do NOT use that term in a derogatory fashion) scale. A new server may well serve those who havent been list members for years and thus dont have the swing enough to get an l/p for fnord. Im just brainstorming here so that this wealth of materials arent lost to future generations. ;) Of list members, at least. And for the record, it seems alot of people are not familiar with Hotline. Hotline is NOT ftp, but hotline is a file transfer program. It was originally a Mac only protocol, and was used mainly for chat and warez.. these days it seems to be used mostly for porn and mp3s. However, there are quite a few cool specialty servers on it. One of the things that I enjoy about it is the fact that users logged into the server can see and chat with each other, as well as post to the news. Its actually a pretty cool deal. Servers are listed on trackers, and users can go and check a tracker for all available servers on it, as well as their "topics" or a server can be kept private, off the trackers... you can download the client software at http://www.bigredh.com and get a listing of trackers at http://www.hotlinecentral.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:02:57 EST From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) E-Train To Trancentral > How does the "Last Train To Trancentral" remix version from the KLF 008R > sound like? Same as the Pure Trance Last Train but with heavy reverb. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:43:53 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Fnord, Mp3s and Hotline > > I don't know about hotline, but you're gonna need about 5 gig > > at least for everything that is going to be around in the near future... > And > > a reliable host and decent bandwidth.... > > I don't think that much. Depends how much lossly related K material you > intend on having. If the disc space and bandwith are there you may as well be completist, it really doesn't add up to _that_ much and will save years of hunting obscure items for the obsessed fan. > I made an mp3 collection for work and it's about a cd and > a half at 128k. Add all the other misc tracks and maybe 3 full cds, or a gig > and a half. Of course, if you'll be adding videos, then... As I alluded to earlier, a 4 CD MP3 set and a 2 CD video set are already doing the rounds, not including recent (last year or so?) material (anything that has arisen from Bill's new book, the new 3am (?) bootleg that's been discussed, 1-2-1, recent Scourge Of The Earth remixes, etc.) and a few other things that slipped through the net. So, maybe 7 x 650 MB, whatever that comes to. (Plus I'm sure someone said the video collection files were too small in their current forms?) Again as said earlier, I favour putting it onto CDR. Blanks are dirt cheap, and relatively permanent. Add in KLF pictures, articles, a copy of the discography, and maybe even a nice frontend (a bit of VB or Delphi, and some pretty graphics) and we could have the kind of resource we've previously only dreamed of. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:47:53 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Review of "45" in today's Guardian > There is a fairly long and generally positive review of "45" in the "Saturday" part of today's Guardian. > > It's also on one of the Guardian's websites: http://www.booksunlimited.co.uk/reviews/artsandentertainment/0,6121,140611,0 0.html Thanks for that, an interesting read. I thought it was a more than generally positive review, really; I know he wasn't totally emphatic about the book but his painting of Bill Drummond's career surely would leave the reader wanting to know more. The guy has a feel for the KLF I think. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:58:32 +0100 From: Alexander Janzer Subject: (klf) disillusionment Hi, In the Guardian Interview with Bill D. there is this summary of a short story from "45", [starting quote] "that involved a journalist from Time Out who had been one of the KLF's most ardent fans." "In 1988, at the age of 12, he had bought our 'Doctorin' the Tardis'. He got on board. Then through his teenage years he had faithfully followed our every move. We were the idealised big brothers he never had. On our retirement from the music business in 1992, he even wrote a book recounting our exploits. Then that night in 1997, after we daubed our message on the grey concrete and were about to speed off looking for some after-hours action, I shook our former teenage Number One Fan's hand and wished him well. In that moment, as our hands shook, I detected something in the glint of his eye: disillusionment, as real and pure as disillusionment can get. Almost as powerful and strong as when I saw that bit of dark curly hair sticking out the back of that Resident's eyeball mask. In our (Jimmy's and my) short journey through pop, that moment of disillusionment was maybe our greatest creation. Without that final state of disillusion, the power and glory of pop is nothing. And when it happens (and if it has not already happened for you, it surely will), savour it, because it very quickly slithers into disinterest and gets forgotten as life marches on." [end quote] So my question is: Who is this "journalist from Time Out, one of the KLF's most ardent fans"? Is he on the list or does anyone know him? Regards, Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:02:54 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) disillusionment So my question is: Who is this "journalist from Time Out, one of the KLF's most ardent fans"? Is he on the list or does anyone know him? Wasn't he the guy that wrote those KLF fanzines that appeared just after the KLF split? Damn, I'm still trying to think of his name... If so, then he was/is still on the list... Stuart somebody?? Nick ;-( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:59:27 +0100 (CET) From: Adam Hauner Subject: Re: (klf) disillusionment On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Alexander Janzer wrote: > So my question is: > Who is this "journalist from Time Out, one of the KLF's most > ardent fans"? Is he on the list or does anyone know him? Mick Houghton? Sky Magazine October 1997: THE RETURN OF THE KLF ... Mick Houghton, the KLF's publicist, has worked with Drummond and Cauty for all of their 10 years together. He was the man left to explain to the press why they killed that sheep and dumped it outside the Brit Awards party and why they burnt a million quid when there are thousands of charities that would have given a lorryload of collecting tins for it. He should, by rights, be stricken by nervous convulsions whenever Drummond or Cauty's names are mentioned, but instead he's brimming with delight because today, Friday 15 August, he is able to play to someone other than himself the new KLF/2K single. "I thought they'd do something this year. It's their 10th anniversary and they'd thought about a box set or a greatest hits but this is far more them. And there's only so long you can keep it to yourself," he says walking over to the stereo. "It's just too exciting to keep a secret." He presses play. ... - -- Adam Hauner - -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ http://postcard.cz - http://alenka.cz ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #295 *************************