From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #297 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 02 : Number 297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:09:44 -0000 From: "Magick Temple" Subject: Re: (klf) Who's the Gimp? Hi there This is by way of a delurk... I've only been on the list a couple of days, and wouldn't normally post so soon, but my reasons for joining were largely to try to find any info on this March 1st event, so time is running out... > - 23/2/00 - Deciphered incoming transmission from: M-A-D > >8:00pm 1st March, 2000 > >The New Foundry Ltd., > >Great Eastern Street. > >London > >Nearest Tube : Old Street > >http://www.t2k.net I'll try to add what I can to what's already been said... I called the New Foundry (0171 739 6900) and spoke to the bookings manager (Jonathon Madley)... as far as they're concerned the night was booked (by M/A/D - so it does appear to be a static event) ages ago, and they've heard no more since... it was booked as a 'Geek Night - Geeks only' and is a repeat of an event held last year for 'Geeks of all persausions' which was organised through the NTK (Need To Know) mailing list. Mr Madley said that he had considered cancelling the event, since he'd had no further contact with M/A/D and was unaware of any publicity, but is now confused since he's had a number of calls and mails asking what was happening. All he could say was that the event was free as was to be held in the evening, and that he'd mail me when he knew more. He suggested people didn't travel too far for it, as he couldn't insure against disappointment (since he has no idea what's happening himself). Checking the meta-tags on the t2K site reveals that at very least they want people to think there's a solid 2K connection (the tags specifically include 'KLF' '2K' 'Bill Drummond' 'Jimmy Cauty' etc) I came accross the site via www.fnord.demon.co.uk, which deals with Discordian politico-comedians Chris Morris and Mark Thomas... the link is a flashing 'FUCK THE MILLENIUM' gif with a wav of the track playing in the background (so they clearly believe, or want us to believe, that there's a real connection) All in all... I'm making a 240 mile round trip to London on Wednesday (against Mr Madley's advice) unless I can be sure it's a hoax... so any further info would be highly appreciated. cheerz all Mag xxxxx DISCORDIAN PROMOTIONS http://www.discordian.co.uk ICQ - 22014792 Grow More Weed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:47:12 +0000 From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: Re: (klf) Who's the Gimp? Well, unless something (ie work) dictates otherwise I'll be there on Wednesday night - more than likely in an FTM T-shirt - so if anyone else goes, and spots me, do say hello - or give me a kicking depending on your preferance! (Must admit, I'd rather people did the former rather than the latter.....) Thanks Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:20:02 +0000 From: Jon Herbert Subject: (klf) The hunt > ...but you are right - there is no value in an MP3. it is the hunt > that makes it all so interesting, and makes you appreciate the tracks > and their rarety when you finally track them down. I agree... but I disagree too. The hunt is fun... but I hate finding something rare only to find it's crap, too. MP3s allow you to audition the music and find out what's really worth hunting... Jon Herbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:41:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) E-Train To Trancentral > from studying the discog and the dates on there, i'd say that E-train > was planned as the 5th Pure Trance track.... but was then dropped in > favour of The Lovers Side (the dates for E-train's release is only 7 > days ahead of the LS - theres no remix 12" for E-train, but its > rescheduled date is the same as the remix for LS). so its quite > likely that E-train actually turned in to Go To Sleep while they were > making it. > of course, probably nothing like the GTS that is on the WROST - > neither would the LS be the same as the PT version. Although I can't be specific about the titles and stuff (I'm not sure why the confusion for Pure Trance 5's title is there, my memory of that stuff is a bit hazy now), I can say something about the dates. The plan was that they would release one single a week in the run up to the end of 1988. It started with "What Time Is Love" (PT1), witht he remix the next week. "3 AM" followed, although I think i was delayed, and at some point the remix was also released. It kindof all went a bit wrong from there on ... but it was planned that PT2 + remix would be followed by PT3, PT3-remix, PT4, PT4-remix, PT5 and PT-5 remix, in consecutive weeks. That's why the dates in the discogs are as they are. Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:49:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) How long has the list been going/is there an archive/fnord? > I was just wondering how long the mailing list has been going. I first > subscribed when the list also covered the Orb, and am pretty confident > it wasn't terribly long after the KLF "retired", maybe 92 or earlier. Does > anyone have some more exact details on when it first started? > The list has been going since at least 1990/1991, because that's when I > first joined... Lazlo? The first KLF list was created by me in 1991. It wasn't so much a discussion list (because I didn't have thew technology to do that back then), but more of a "newsletter" list, for the KLF and Orb activities at the time. It went out roughly every 2 weeks I think, although more frequently if there was a bundle of news and info, which happened from time to time. If people mailed me questions then I would put them in the newsletter and make some response usually. KLF@sysa.salford.ac.uk (or for JANET GreyBookers, KLF@uk.ac.salf.a) At some point (~92 probably) I had to stop doing it, and and that was when Pete Ashdown offered Lazlo (both list members) the chance to continue it as a proper discussion list on xmission.com, which is what happened. I think I sent Lazlo the list membership as it was when I stopped, but I can't remember if he used it or not. We probably mailed all those people to let them know about the new list, I dunno. I think it was later that the klf@xmission.com list was split to separate orb and klf lists, but I might be wrong on that. > Also, is there an archive, in particular going back to the start of the > list? I'm sure there used to be but I've forgotten where it is :) > Archives are at http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/klf/archive/ Those are archives for the XMission list. I suppose there are archives around somewhere for the stuff I was sending out, but I'm not sure where. Maybe I have them on a floppy disk, if they aren't on the net somewhere. But quite possibly not ... :) Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:27:40 -0700 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (klf) E-Train To Trancentral On Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 05:57:10PM +0100, Torsten Pattberg wrote: >> Love Trance was believed not to have existed until it apparently surfaced a >> little over a year ago. no one can really confirm if it's KLF or not but I >> think the general consensus is that it sounds enough like them to be them. > > How does Lazlo know the Love Trance tracklength, if it wasn't released? One person reported having a vinyl copy in hand, and I believe the track was timed from there (it's been a while and I don't keep track of what info comes from where, sorry). The provenance of the item is in question, which is why the discog notes that it may be a counterfeit -- easy enough to do given that there are loads of sleeves and labels floating around out there! - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Everybody's doing weblogs and I conform! http://www.studio-nibble.com/weblog -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:23:15 -0000 From: "Cory Wrench" Subject: (klf) Who's Going? I'd quite like to go too, I'm wondering about getting back though since I live 100 odd miles north of London and don't have a car. If it goes on late is there anyone local going that I could borrow a bit of floor from for the night? Failing that, what time does the Millennium Dome close/open, I'm sure they'd love someone walking around there wearing an FTM shirt. Cory. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Magick Temple To: Sent: 27 February 2000 17:09 Subject: Re: (klf) Who's the Gimp? > > Hi there > > This is by way of a delurk... I've only been on the list a couple of days, > and wouldn't normally post so soon, but my reasons for joining were largely > to try to find any info on this March 1st event, so time is running out... > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:06:08 +0100 From: "Tobias Galeus" Subject: (klf) FNORD Hey all! I just read throught the digest (thanks tas2012!) the latest days and found quite a lot of talk about FNORD. Yes, the server is closed. I intend to open it again when things have calmed down and I have installed a new harddisk. I have got lots of new stuff (thanks themgnt!) to put up, but I havent had the space to do it. Everyone, please calm down and stop flaming Attila. He didn't mean to do harm. EOD. I will post all info to the list when the time is right, fnord. 23 skidoo! Tobias, aka Sponk ex FNORD Siteop ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: Re: (klf) How long has the list been going/is there an > At some point (~92 probably) I had to stop doing it, and and that was when > Pete Ashdown offered Lazlo (both list members) the chance to continue it as a > proper discussion list on xmission.com, which is what happened. I think I believe that the list was hosted by a different domain (not xmission) originally, though wasn't it? jr - ----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. - ----------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:11:51 -0800 From: jeffrey@formstudio.com Subject: (klf) fa: klf ultra rare trax. original disc from ca. 1993, good condition. email me for more detail including sale url. Jeffrey. klf - Ultra Rare Trax - KLF 1 all you need is love - original it's grim up north - club mix - for love not money mix what time is love - techno slam mix - techno scam mix 3 a.m. eternal - blue danube orbital last train to trancentral - remix kylie said to jason - full length version what time is love - the power remix gary glitter joins the jams justified and ancient - stand by the jams - 12" version 3 a.m. eternal - the klf with extreme noise terror what time is love - wandaful mix # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:09:39 -0500 From: Dan Hutchins Subject: (klf) 45 & KLF 8R Hi everyone, 1) Has anybody noticed tat Bill Drummond's book "45" is almost exactly the dimensions of a 7" single? 2) Do any of the master (I'm only a journeyman) members of the list know why only the remix 12" (KLF 008R) for LTTT was released and not the usual standard issue KLF 008T 12"? Further, is there a definitive pure trance version of LTTT (the 12" says remix 1 and remix 2; but I have no knowledge of an actual original pure trance version). As always, a pleasure to talk to you guys (and 3 or 4 girls). - -- Dan T. Hutchins Head of Adult Information Services & Micro-Systems Support Brandon Township Public Library 476 Mill Street P.O. Box 489 Ortonville, MI 48462 Phone: 248-627-6449 Fax: 248-627-9974 Web Address: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~brnd Dan's E-mail: danhutchins@core.com Dan's Cell Phone/Voice Mail: 248-225-2692 Dan's Web-Site: http://www.flash.net/~hutch668 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:28:45 +1100 From: "Mr. Mute" Subject: Re: (klf) 45 & KLF 8R Dan Hutchins wrote: > 1) Has anybody noticed tat Bill Drummond's book "45" is almost exactly > the dimensions of a 7" single? Also known as a 45... ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:40:59 -0000 From: "Heiko" Subject: (klf) CD-V Hi all, does anyone know if i can play the Doctorin' The Tardis CD-V on a pc? do i need some sort of driver/program? or do i need to buy a CD-I player or something? thx, Heiko # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:52:05 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) CD-V > does anyone know if i can play the Doctorin' The Tardis CD-V on a pc? A CDV is really a tiny Laserdisc, nothing like an MPEG or anything. 70's technology, not 90's technology. It's a totally analogue video format, and there is no way you'll be able to run it in anything but a Laserdisc player. Furthermore since it's a PAL CDV you will need a PAL Laserdisc player. If you play it on a SEACAM or NTSC player you'll probably get the sound, but the video will be unwatchable. Sorry. Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:54:22 +0100 From: Stage medewerker Subject: (klf) love trance I heard something about a cdr that 'surfaced' last year with love trance. Can anyone give some info 'bout this cdr and what's more on it. And btw is it available somewhere? thankx PG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:17:15 -0000 From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: (klf) 45 Can I let anyone on the list know that '45' is a far more easier read than 'Bad Wisdom'. It is very entertaining indeed and well worth getting hold of. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:30:43 -0000 From: "Gregor John Aitchison" <9706129a@student.gla.ac.uk> Subject: (klf) hardknox Hi, I was at the Moby concert in Glasgow at the weekend , the support ban had sampled some MU MUs for one of their songs. The band are called Hardknox, they are alright but the two female strippers they had on stage were fantastic, I think their album is out soon but I wont be buying it. PEG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:05:49 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Who's the Gimp? > Well, unless something (ie work) dictates otherwise I'll be there on Wednesday > night - more than likely in an FTM T-shirt - so if anyone else goes, and spots > me, do say hello - or give me a kicking depending on your preferance! (Must > admit, I'd rather people did the former rather than the latter.....) Let's see, you're going to a KLF-related event and you want people to pick you out by virtue of you wearing....a FTM T-shirt! It's not as if there won't be many of those on display is it? ;-) Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:43:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) mp3's I think, whatever the reason for your failed transfers, it's an unbelievable nerve for you to whine about not being able to receive someone else's copyrighted material correctly over the net, for free. If it works, great it's a bonus, but to complain when it doesn't work is patently ridiculous ... you were getting something for nothing, how can you grumble when you don't get it? ... and I'm sure your telephone company isn't sitting there counting the beans they've made from your failed downloads. They've much better things to do. Culf. > i has become apparent to me that some people are, in my veiw abusing the mp3 > download idea by making available blatently trucated files. i have just > downloaded 'igun' and a mix of 'teardrop' by 'massive attack' and they are > worthless, the only person who is made up about them is my telephone > company. this is not the first time it has happened and previously after > spending 1 hr downloading an entire album only to find that whoever mp3'd it > failed to notice his cd was skipping like a 7 year old on the beach. it's a > waste of time and quit frustrating when you think you've found something > cool. > sorry to wigh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:22:44 -0000 From: "M-A-D" Subject: (klf) Re: Who's the Gimp? Okay, you all know that I NEVER reply to things but this is a fairly gross error that needs addressing... The event formerly Geek Night is NOT my event. It was a New Foundry Ltd event that I was working on. Geek night was sort of cancelled and has been rekindled as a recruit night for the M25 spin (hence the spin logo on t2k.net). T2k.Net USED to host Gimp's Millennium Crisis Site (anyone remember the Crisis Lines?) I still own T2k and, as it has had nothing more than the 'Spin' logo there for the last year it seemed worth throwing a few words under it. I will still be working on 'Geek night' or 'Spin night' or whatevre you want to call it - as will Gimpo. BTW, if you're all so interested in conspiracy theories why haven't you all figured out the connection with Jon, Gimp and others? Not wanting to start slinging shit but, hey, don't go shooting the messenger. Anyway, as far as Jon talking about dissapointment and the like then anyone that knows Jon will also know that he doesn't like to do much promotion for fear of things going tits up - ask yourselves why the foundry is never in Time-Out. (Back me up here, Andy!!) Look forward to seeing you all on Weds and remember, sometimes things aren't a conspiracy and we've simply been very busy doing other stuff. M/A/D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magick Temple" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: (klf) Who's the Gimp? > I'll try to add what I can to what's already been said... > > I called the New Foundry (0171 739 6900) and spoke to the bookings manager > (Jonathon Madley)... as far as they're concerned the night was booked (by > M/A/D - so it does appear to be a static event) ages ago, and they've heard > no more since... it was booked as a 'Geek Night - Geeks only' and is a > repeat of an event held last year for 'Geeks of all persausions' which was > organised through the NTK (Need To Know) mailing list. > >blah blah blah... CUT TO SAVE SPACE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:25:59 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) mp3's > I think, whatever the reason for your failed transfers, it's an unbelievable > nerve for you to whine about not being able to receive someone else's > copyrighted material correctly over the net, for free. If it works, great Hold on here, let's have some balance. There should be gratitude of course, but I sympathise with the original poster's original view (maybe not expressed in the right tones) that it can be annoying to spend a lot of money downloading a file to find it riddled wih skips. I always play test any MP3s I've created as it's not unusual (in fact usual) for some or all of them to be of an unacceptable quality. This is a waste of internet bandwidth, and if you're actually _trading_ for material you expect to get files that have been properly ripped and tested. Anyway, IMHO we ought not to be arguing about these issues but instead about our shared interest in the KLF and preserving their deleted material for our peer group and, hopefully, future fans. Steve (original message, note I was not the sender, just wanted to pick up on Culf's point) - > > i has become apparent to me that some people are, in my veiw abusing the mp3 > > download idea by making available blatently trucated files. i have just > > downloaded 'igun' and a mix of 'teardrop' by 'massive attack' and they are > > worthless, the only person who is made up about them is my telephone > > company. this is not the first time it has happened and previously after > > spending 1 hr downloading an entire album only to find that whoever mp3'd it > > failed to notice his cd was skipping like a 7 year old on the beach. it's a > > waste of time and quit frustrating when you think you've found something > > cool. > > sorry to wigh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:19:15 -0000 From: "Magick Temple" Subject: Re: (klf) Re: Who's the Gimp? > The event formerly Geek Night is NOT my event. It was a New Foundry Ltd > event that I was working on. > Geek night was sort of cancelled and has been rekindled as a recruit night > for the M25 spin (hence the spin logo on t2k.net). Awlright! Thanks a million for clearing that up! > I will still be working on 'Geek night' or 'Spin night' or whatevre you want > to call it - as will Gimpo. Then I might well still come down... willing to post any further details of what's gonna happen? > BTW, if you're all so interested in conspiracy theories why haven't you all > figured out the connection with Jon, Gimp and others? Not wanting to start > slinging shit but, hey, don't go shooting the messenger. Ummmm... not quite sure what you're saying here... I've never heard of Jon before, and I didn't intend to criticize anyone or claim there was a 'conspiracy'... just trying to make some sense of what little info I did have. > Anyway, as far as Jon talking about dissapointment and the like then anyone > that knows Jon will also know that he doesn't like to do much promotion for > fear of things going tits up - ask yourselves why the foundry is never in > Time-Out. (Back me up here, Andy!!) hehe... fair 'nuff... don't know the guy, and don't live in London, so I wouldn't know. > Look forward to seeing you all on Weds and remember, sometimes things aren't > a conspiracy and we've simply been very busy doing other stuff. Thanks for straightening things out... might well see ya there. Mag xxxxx DISCORDIAN PROMOTIONS http://www.discordian.co.uk ICQ - 22014792 Grow More Weed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:52:17 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) The hunt > > ...but you are right - there is no value in an MP3. it is the hunt > > that makes it all so interesting, and makes you appreciate the tracks > > and their rarety when you finally track them down. > > I agree... but I disagree too. The hunt is fun... but I hate finding > something rare only to find it's crap, too. MP3s allow you to audition > the music and find out what's really worth hunting... (I use a generic "you" here, as I really tend to agree with the guy whose followup I'm responding to) I've been thinking about this more, after posting that maybe we ought to swap CDRs amongst ourselves and kick out the money element from KLF trading. Yes, I greatly enjoy finding original KLF Communications items. Whenever I've bagged items like the Echo & The Bunnymen mix of LTTT, 12"s in the original JAMs sleeves, the Stadium House video or, best of all, original KLF Comms CDs, it's a great thrill to get the things home and inspect and play them. But that is called *collecting*. Having MP3 copies of this material will only reduce my urge to collect, not extinguish it. I might not bother buying vinyl in the future, as I no longer have any decks, and I will be less inclined to pay extorniate prices for CDs (indeed, finding KLF items at high prices is no great problem anyway, just go to Notting Hill Gte or look in Record Collector, I get a bigger thrill finding KLF stuff in out-of-the-way bargain bins and secondhand stores). Both of these outcomes result from already having the music so having less need to own the physical items. In this digital age, materialism is (thankfully) becoming less important anyway. If people trade MP3s or give them away via FTP they are not removing your right to enjoy collecting original items. It may even make them cheaper. It's not totally removing the interest of the people who have MP3s in collecting original items either, not that collecting is any great thing or for everyone. If you want to collect, fine go ahead. Also, MP3s at 128k are not totally CD standard, so I personally still like to get CD copies of the best tracks. This _stimulates_ interest in finding the music, as the original follow-up guy said. For me, the more important point is why would you want to deny people who don't have access to collector's stores or lots of money access to this *music*? In particular, why deny access to the music which was never officially released, or only released on promo or in such small quantities as to make it almost impossible to find? In recent nights, as I've been thinking about this, I've listened to wonderful material like the original 1989 White Room tape, the Lost Sounds Of Mu, and Waiting For The Rites Of Mu. Everybody with an interest in dance and ambient music who isn't just interested in current material ought to have the chance to hear these marvellous records. Finally, let me clarify that I do not advocate the _piracy_ of items which are still in print and from which the artists can reasonably expect a royalty, such as Bill's album on Creation. The KLF had a loose attitude to copyright - hence one interpretation of the name KLF - and chose to delete their back catalogue. The _free_ trading of the deleted material (bootlegging as opposed to piracy) if done discretely shouldn't be a problem, IMHO. Steve P.S. Since there was no response to my CDR tree suggestion, anyone who wants to swap copies of deleted KLF items should mail me privately. My writer is out of service but I have a couple of items I copied before it broke down. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:28:45 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) mp3's > Sure it can be annoying, but to express that annoyance on a public list I agree with that, which is why I asked for us to talk specifically about the KLF. The guy's original message was probably off-topic (I see he sent it to the Orb list too, so might even be a troll). But why come back with a flame against _me_? My post was perfectly fair and reasonable. > about something you're getting gratis for nowt free zippo cost was a The point _was_ badly made I thought, but the annoyance factor is there. And it's not free if it's cost you two quid to download. (I use CDR so quite frankly don't give a f*ck, but I don't like being talked down to like an idiot) > patently stupid thing to do. And to repeat it wasn't me that said it!! Alright?! > The argument "waste of Internet bandwidth" has no meaning in the real > world. "Internet bandwidth" sisn't a tangible quantity that can be > conserved or saved, or indeed wasted. No, it is an intangible conceptual term that has validity in the real world. In this context, "internet bandwidth" means capacity on my ISP's transatlantic lines, my phone bill (not that this is an issue for me, as I very rarely download MP3s, and if I do they tend to be official releases of rare material, such as from bobdylan.com -- realaudio in that instance, but anyway), the bandwidth used by the remote server. And just because bandwith is intangible it does not mean it cannot be measured (or estimated at, or referred to as a concept...). Suggesting that internet bandwidth cannot be wasted simply because it cannot, you say, be measured is horrendous. Transferring multi-megabyte corrupt files _is_ a waste of bandwidth, whether or not it is measurable and whether or not it is significant (and on the latter point - significance - you may have got me, but the original point wasn't about this anyway, it was about telephone bills). > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Clever! Better take that up with Microsoft. I'm set to "plain text" already, although am more than happy to take advice (other than "bin Outlook Express") on how to really send plain ASCII text! ;-) Steve (man if I knew I needed a degree in English to survive on the KLF mailing list I might have stayed with the digest version) > > > I think, whatever the reason for your failed transfers, it's an > > unbelievable > > > nerve for you to whine about not being able to receive someone else's > > > copyrighted material correctly over the net, for free. If it works, great > > > > Hold on here, let's have some balance. There should be gratitude of course, > > but I sympathise with the original poster's original view (maybe not > > expressed in the right tones) that it can be annoying to spend a lot of > > money downloading a file to find it riddled wih skips. I always play test > > any MP3s I've created as it's not unusual (in fact usual) for some or all of > > them to be of an unacceptable quality. This is a waste of internet > > bandwidth, and if you're actually _trading_ for material you expect to get > > files that have been properly ripped and tested. > > > > Anyway, IMHO we ought not to be arguing about these issues but instead about > > our shared interest in the KLF and preserving their deleted material for our > > peer group and, hopefully, future fans. > > > > Steve Now what was so unreasonable or imflammatary about that? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: (klf) 1-2-1 I just got the CDsingle of 1-2-1 and in re: the video, is Jimi in one of those cellphones? Also, was the skinny blonde with the exposed midriff there so everyone would think this was another teeny-bopper-tart clone group and thus sell more records? jr - ----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. - ----------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:14:52 -0000 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) 45 & KLF 8R Wouldn't claim in any way to be a "master member", and the text from that release's DJ reaction report sheet probably won't help at all. But here goes anyway: LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL - THE K.L.F. - KLF 008R. From the forthcoming KLF Motion Picture THE WHITE ROOM . Both the A and the B are radical remixes of the original which has yet to see the light of day. The A side is so literal it may be totally unlistenable to anybody who is neither a freight train enthusiast or flat on their backs and out of their heads. You have been warned. The B side is the KLF back in their Pure Trance, crashing the millenium, leaving it's (sic) precessors 'What Time Is Love' and '3A.M. Eternal' in the debris of the late eighties. Dance Music for the more foolhardy D.J. The one willing to risk watching his/her floor clear at the sound of lost sheep bleating in the wilderness. No reaction required. Hope this helps 8-) Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:35:14 +0000 (GMT) From: " \"Christopher.D.Gilmour\"" Subject: (klf) re: (KLF) 45 Arse that 45 is easier to read that Bad Wisdom. 45 is just a collection of essays and short stories, many of which have been printed before any all rabit list members will have read them. The manner and style of prose is patronising, and he repeats himself frequently, explining who people are many times over. Some of the stories are lame and feeble, worthless almost. It hardly gives any insight into the amn himself. The only good bit is trying to work out if he's actually on this list and is writing stuff in response to specific discussions we've had and even so he doesn't go far enough. Bad Wisdom on the otherhand gave a unique insight into his psyche and was funny to boot. rgds CH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:30:57 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Re: Who's the Gimp? From: M-A-D > BTW, if you're all so interested in conspiracy theories why haven't you all > figured out the connection with Jon, Gimp and others? Not wanting to start > slinging shit but, hey, don't go shooting the messenger. Maybe we're less interested in conspiracy theories than you think. (And, why all the KLF meta tags if your projects don't directly involve Bill & Jimmy?!) And who shot the messenger?! That's what you're doing, the guy was only reporting what he had been told in good faith. Folks need to have an idea what to expect from an event before travelling hundreds of miles. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #297 *************************