From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #307 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Monday, March 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 307 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:00:25 -0500 From: demetrius@poppad.com Subject: (klf) See the Space Reissue CD I popped up a quick page with scans of the new SPACE Reissue CD. If anyone wants to take a look, it's at: http://www.poppad.com/space.htm I kept the scans failry large, so it may take a bit to load. - -d # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:27:54 PST From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) HMV hello everybody HMV on Oxford circus has about 30 CHill Out lps and 25 1987 lps... Didn't see any 1987 cds though that someone mentioned.. . Sister Ray rules, they had alot of good stuff, even though Torsten Pattberg was there before me and bought some records. But I can't find the Zoo uncaged cd compilation anywhere, damn. . . I've been here in London ten hours and 've already burned 100 UKP on book and records.. . David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:05:55 +0000 From: Craig G Earnshaw Subject: Re: (klf) HMV > HMV on Oxford circus has about 30 CHill Out lps and 25 1987 lps... > Didn't see any 1987 cds though that someone mentioned.. . Ah.... I was looking in HMV Oxford Street - tomorrow I'll be in HMV Oxford Circus...... Never mind Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:55:11 +0100 From: vischer@access.ch Subject: (klf) The Cartel/Independent Distribution in the UK Hi there Someone knows what is the situation today with independent distributions in the UK. As far as I know The Cartel isn't alive anymore, is it? There were about three independent distributors around 1991; and today? sorry if that has already been discussed here.. Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:38:14 -0500 From: Dan Hutchins Subject: (klf) Space CD Judging from demitrius's scans, this appears to actually be a reissue of the 1993 bootleg from the discography. Others on the list that own the 1993 Space bootleg I'm sure can confirm this. - -- Dan T. Hutchins # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:41:28 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) VideoCD vs VHS copies... > (Time to delurk... proper introduction later =)) > > I own a JVC VideoCD player and on several occasions I have hooked it up to > my VCR and recorded a copy of some movie. As someone mentioned earlier VHS does > unfortunately have a tendency to deteriorate. > > In short: do digital "backups" of any KLF-related material. Getting it from > there onto VHS is a minor hassle. Also within a few years we'll all have DVD players, and most of them (all?) will play VCD. My only concern is quality? How does a quality VCD compare with a VHS video? Not very well I guess? Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:55:00 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Space reissue/original comparisons > Boot. But a very well made one. Purists may still want to seek out an > original cd and pay a high price, but for the rest of us just interested in > getting a quality recording, this is the one to get. What's the cheapest anyone's paid so far, as from what I've heard it's not exactly a bargain? I'd like to have it, but if it's pushing 20 quid may have to go with the third more-cash-strapped option of sticking with my CDR! Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:21:35 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: (klf) I've got my signed copy of 45! My copy of 45 has arrived from that online retailer I mentioned and it is indeed signed! I'm quite chuffed about this as the mention of 45 on their front page had gone as had any reference to signed copies. What's even more miraculous is that it must have been left by the postman on the doorstep yesterday morning without me knowing, and was still there this morning when I popped out to the corner shop. Now, considering I left in the centre of town and last night was Saturday night I think that is getting on for amazing. The people of Cheltenham I salute you :) One small worry, it was a dew/frost this morning and the outer package was a bit moist. The book seems alright, but it has quite a few large speckled marks on it - I'm not sure whether they're printed or whether it's damaged. I think it's printed, but could anyone tell me what the cover of their copy is like? Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:54:41 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) I've got my signed copy of 45! > I popped out to the corner shop. Now, considering I left in the centre of "left" should of course have read "live". Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:05:03 EST From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) VideoCD vs VHS copies... > Also within a few years we'll all have DVD players, and most of them (all?) > will play VCD. My only concern is quality? How does a quality VCD compare > with a VHS video? Not very well I guess? It should be noted that while the vast majority of DVD players can play Video CDs, not all can read recordable cds. In fact very few can. They can not take the intensity of the DVD laser. Attempting to do so may allow you to view the cd once, but after that you have another coaster for your bar. - -paul Currently in rotation: Welcome to the Pleasuredome (custom) - FGTH, Space # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:39:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Drew Radtke Subject: (klf) 1987/HMV Dear all; Well everyone's gone quiet on the 1987/HMV front but I can confirm they are the genuine article (as far as I can see and I have examined by friend's real copy of got in 87) or at least new genuine pressings. They have the proper black 1987 sleeve (not the red one on those vinyl bootlegs) and side 1 and 2 the right way round. Crucially they don't have the crackles in the same places as the CD bootlegs I have got/heard so they CANNOT have been mastered off a CD someone had about and though they'd make a quick buck off. If anyone does have a 1987-bought copy of 1987 could they tell me what's scratched into the vinyl in the run-out groove? This says 'JAMSLP 1 A' and 'JAMSLP 1 B' in typed letters (as opposed to written by hand which some vinyl used to have) with the spacing as I have indicated. So let me recap; HMV on Oxford Street in London (the bigger one near the Tottenham Court Road end) have 1987 by the JAMS the real deal (to the best of my knowledge) for UKP10.99. They have about 10 left! Don't ask me where the shop is check out http://www.hmv.co.uk phone numbers are on there. Also http://www.roughtrade.com seem to have some and you can order online from there. Same price from Rough Trade. Oh HMV also have Chill Out on vinyl as well; that's real as well as far as I can see although (obviously) I didn't have my copy with me so could not compare matrix numbers etc. That's not as collectable though; really CD is the best way to hear Chill Out in my opinion and as we all know that's easy to get on CD. I suspect what's happened is that, rather like the Doctorin The Tardis VCD, someone has discovered a bunch of these somewhere (maybe in an HMV warehouse) and they're selling them off. Just a guess though. I didn't want to ask anyone in the shop in case it rang any bells and suddenly the shop manager realised they should not be selling them as they don't want to upset the copyright powers that be. HMV is owned by what is now or will soon be AOL Time Warner EMI. That parent company wouldn't like this too much I suspect if they knew. Cheers, Drew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:07:41 +0100 From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV > If anyone does have a 1987-bought copy of 1987 could they tell me = what's > scratched into the vinyl in the run-out groove? This says 'JAMSLP 1 A' > and 'JAMSLP 1 B' in typed letters (as opposed to written by hand which > some vinyl used to have) with the spacing as I have indicated.=20 >=20 My original 1987 have this: MPO JAMS LP 1 A1=20 MPO JAMS LP 1 B1 So it seems that it's not the same batch! Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:20:16 +0100 From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (klf) Space CD =20 > Judging from demitrius's scans, this appears to actually be a reissue = of > the 1993 bootleg from the discography. Others on the list that own = the > 1993 Space bootleg I'm sure can confirm this. =20 Yes - the scan is identical with the 1993 CD-bootleg, right down to the = number of the barcode. Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:08:11 -0000 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) 1987/HMV > If anyone does have a 1987-bought copy of 1987 could they tell me what's > scratched into the vinyl in the run-out groove? This says 'JAMSLP 1 A' > and 'JAMSLP 1 B' in typed letters (as opposed to written by hand which > some vinyl used to have) with the spacing as I have indicated. Well, I didn't buy my copy at the time, but I'm pretty sure it's genuine. Mine says JAMS LP 1 A1 and JAMS LP 1 B1 (the 1s after the A and B are smaller and superscripted). These are scratched in by hand. Also the letters MPO appear on each side. For the record, my copy of the red-sleeve bootleg has 1LP A 1 and 1LP B 1 and the letters BF on both sides. These are typed. Cheers, Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:19:12 +0100 From: Christian Villum Subject: RE: (klf) Nations on the list Thomas Helvard wrote> "As the discussion on the video vs. VCD goes on, a = lot of people from all over the world are responding..I was wonderong, = how many nations are represented on the list?? (and how many members are = there really?)" Yeah...Denmark rules! I live there too - in the city of Aalborg (up = north...where its grim, ya know...:-) Regards, Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:00:47 PST From: "Stephane MONTHIEU" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV >My original 1987 have this: >MPO JAMS LP 1 A1 >MPO JAMS LP 1 B1 > Mine too ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:56:14 PST From: "Mr. Flewin" Subject: (klf) Das vcd or das video> I personally am for a nice vcd or 2 due to the fact I only have a NTSC vcr and I'm sure this video would be PAL [And anyone I know in the UK who WOULD make a swp to NTSC for me would charge a fortune :( ] That's my 2 cents. Mr. Flewin Tknomncr@Hotmail.Com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:26:31 +0100 From: "Xav Ehret" Subject: (klf) Video : whats going to happen... Ok, due to huge interest, i decided to wait the whole week end before taking a decision. The result is : the tape will be released in MPEG, on 2 to 3 CDROMS..... ..AND in VHS PAL TAPE(S) when i get time to make them. I will not be making a tree out of VHS tape, because once we get past second generation tapes, the quality will seriously degrade. We wont have this problem with the CDROMS. I will be taking a maximum of 20 orders for CDROMs, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED. ONE COPY OF EACH MAX PER PERSON. I sincerely hope that these 20 people will make every effort to propagate these CDs as best they can. I wish i could make more, but my time is limited and i cant spare any more on this project. People who can make copies for others, please specify so in your mail. You wont get any preferential treatment, but at least i will know how many of you will be copying these out.... So, anyone interested by : MPEG of "This is what the KLF are about" - approx 4 hours long MPEG of "The White Room Movie" - 1st generation tape, perfect crisp picture. email me. Costs will be : $2 for the cost of the CDR(s) $2 for the burning $5 for the time i will have to spend to make the video -> MPEG transfer So thats a total of $9 per video, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF CDR I END UP USING. So thats : $9 for the "This is what the KLF are about" $9 for the "The White Room Movie" P&P is $5 for Europe, $8 for rest of the world. Sorry, postage costs are real expensive in France. **************IMPORTANT*************** DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY NOW. SEND ME A MAIL WITH THE ORDER, I WILL CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE IN THE 20 FIRST ORDERS, OR NOT. I WILL THEN MAKE THE TRANSFER, AND ONCE ALL 20 COPIES HAVE BEEN MADE, I WILL LET EACH ONE OF YOU KNOW IT IS TIME TO MAKE THE DEAL. DO NOT ASK ME FOR ANYTHING IN THE MAIL. ITS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO ANSWER, BUT I JUST CANT ANSWER 30 or MORE SEPERATE QUESTIONS....I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. If all goes to plan, and things go well, i might be able to offer this to a larger number of people afterwards. But i HAVE to limit this at present as to not disappoint anyone from the start. I am NOT a manufacturing plant, unfortunately :) Cheers Xav I will let the list know when im ready to make VHS copies...let me deal first with the MPEG :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:28:47 +0100 From: "Xav Ehret" Subject: (klf) Nations BTW, im from Paris, France... ..unfortunately. Cheers Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:45:52 -0000 From: "Derek Knight" Subject: (klf) Nations on the list + VCDs I'd be keen on a VCD copy of "This is...", simply because I have easier access to a computer than a VCR. I'm a new list member, and come from Watford, England (not that far from Bill's home, Aylesbury, actually), but am living in Nottingham at Uni. Watford is of course home to such Pop heavy weights as Geri Spice, Elton John, Gene and Wham! In fact, I know Andrew Ridgley's dad. How cool is that? I've just ordered a copy of 1987 from Rough Trade, so fingers crossed. Is it worth getting Chill Out on vinyl? I have the American Import CD, but heard that that release has some bits missing from it that are on the original release. Derek - ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:55:04 +0100 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Coward To: KLF Mailing List Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: RE: (klf) 1987/HMV > > If anyone does have a 1987-bought copy of 1987 could they tell me what's > > scratched into the vinyl in the run-out groove? This says 'JAMSLP 1 A' > > and 'JAMSLP 1 B' in typed letters (as opposed to written by hand which > > some vinyl used to have) with the spacing as I have indicated. Exactly the same as the new release... Torsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:09 -0000 From: "Derek Knight" Subject: (klf) Nations on the list + VCDs I'd be keen on a VCD copy of "This is...", simply because I have easier access to a computer than a VCR. I'm a new list member, and come from Watford, England (not that far from Bill's home, Aylesbury, actually), but am living in Nottingham at Uni. Watford is of course home to such Pop heavy weights as Geri Spice, Elton John, Gene and Wham! In fact, I know Andrew Ridgley's dad. How cool is that? I've just ordered a copy of 1987 from Rough Trade, so fingers crossed. Is it worth getting Chill Out on vinyl? I have the American Import CD, but heard that that release has some bits missing from it that are on the original release. Derek - ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:05:39 +0100 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987 at HMV - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lindgren To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: (klf) 1987 at HMV > just got off the phone with Torsten Pattberg who=B4s in London ( I=B4ll= be there > in 5 hours too) and said that HMV had 50 lps of the new 1987 in stock..= . > At least thats what I think he said... Yes U said that :) Damn that we didn't manage to meet, David. Torsten www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:43:09 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) VideoCD vs VHS copies... > >It should be noted that while the vast majority of DVD players can play >Video >CDs, This is true. >not all can read recordable cds. This is also true. In fact very few can. They can not >take the intensity of the DVD laser. This is not true. In fact I'd wager to say that every player sold this year in the US so far can play CDRs. Attempting to do so may allow you to >view the cd once, but after that you have another coaster for your bar. Um, I'm not sure where you got this info from. Maybe you had a bad experiance, or maybe a friend did, but this just isn't the case most of the time. I have never ruined a CDR in my, or anybody elses DVD homeplayer, or DVDROM. If this was the case I don't think that Gateway and Dell would be selling computers with DVD, and CDR drives in them do you? You'd destroy every disk you made right after making it! The intensity of the DVD laser isn't the issue. The laser steps down (or up, I'm not sure) it's wavelenth to read CD, or CDR. If it didn't, it wouldn't even be able to read the CD at all. CDR media only exposes as a very specific wavelenth, that is how CDR drives work. It is a difference freq for CDR/W writing, reading, and for DVD. In fact, in China, HK, Singapore, and other asian bootleg capitals where VCD, DVD, and MP3 are taking of like a rocket many players are sold that read DVDs, VCDs, and CDRs with PC file MP3s on them. (Bootleg MP3 disks are quite common in China). One of these players has been selling at Best Buy here in the states for a tiny sum of $150. I forget the name but it's really genaric sounding. Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:26:50 GMT From: "DJ Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV >>My original 1987 have this: >>MPO JAMS LP 1 A1 >>MPO JAMS LP 1 B1 >> > >Mine too Well, mine too. But as the MPO one is the 'original' 1978 what's this 'JAMSLP 1 A/B' issue then? A bootleg copy? DAN - --- DJ Kuta /KLF Online (www.klf.de) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:29:38 GMT From: "DJ Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV again Drew wrote: >Crucially they don't have the crackles in the same places as the CD >bootlegs I have got/heard so they CANNOT have been mastered off a CD >someone had about and though they'd make a quick buck off. Why not? My 1987 bootleg-CD doesn't have any crackles at all I think... DAN - --- DJ Kuta /KLF Online (www.klf.de) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:53:58 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) Nations on the list + VCDs > I've just ordered a copy of 1987 from Rough Trade, so fingers crossed. Is it > worth getting Chill Out on vinyl? I have the American Import CD, but heard > that that release has some bits missing from it that are on the original > release. Yes that is true, but my 2c worth is that given a choice between a CDR copy of the UK version or vinyl (especially if a bootleg) I'd go with the CDR. As someone else said, Chill Out is a real "listening" album, a tripping album if you will :), so why go with crackly old vinyl and have to turn the record over, when you can play a great quality CD with the lights dimmed and just, well, chill out! Personally I make do with a US Wax Trax import copy (bought c 1992, even back then there were no original Chill Out CDs in the shops I visited :(), although I may have the UK version on MP3 somewhere. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:06:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Drew Radtke Subject: Re: (klf) Nations on the list + VCDs Stephen Kennedy wrote: > Personally I make do with a US Wax Trax import copy (bought > c 1992, even back then there were no original Chill Out CDs in the shops I > visited :(), although I may have the UK version on MP3 somewhere. Chill Out on CD is very common. They have it in almost every large UK CD shop you might want to go into on import. Failling that www.cdnow.com have it for $12.49 and also the White Room for $10.49; most other online places So no excuse for anyone not to have it! Cheers, Drew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:16:03 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) Nations on the list + VCDs > I've just ordered a copy of 1987 from Rough Trade, so fingers crossed. Is it > worth getting Chill Out on vinyl? I have the American Import CD, but heard Yes that is true, but my 2c worth is that given a choice between a CDR copy of the UK version or vinyl (especially if a bootleg) I'd go with the CDR. As someone else said, Chill Out is a real "listening" album, a tripping album if you will :), so why go with crackly old vinyl and have to turn the record over, when you can play a great quality CD with the lights dimmed and just, well, chill out! Personally I make do with a US Wax Trax import copy (bought c 1992, even back then there were no original Chill Out CDs in the shops I visited :(), although I may have the UK version on MP3 somewhere. Steve i agree about the bootleg part, but my Chill Out sounds muchos better on vinyl than on CD (equipment used : AH! Tjoeb tube-output CD-player for the CD, Micro-Seiki DD-33 turntable with Reson Reca MM cartridge for the LP) Heiko # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:19:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Drew Radtke Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV Lars Nellemann wrote: > > If anyone does have a 1987-bought copy of 1987 could they tell me what's > > scratched into the vinyl in the run-out groove? This says 'JAMSLP 1 A' > > and 'JAMSLP 1 B' in typed letters (as opposed to written by hand which > > some vinyl used to have) with the spacing as I have indicated. > > My original 1987 have this: > MPO JAMS LP 1 A1 > MPO JAMS LP 1 B1 > > So it seems that it's not the same batch! Ok so the mystery deepens. Seems these are a new or at least different pressing to the ones others have got. I suppose they could still be 1987 originals but pressed at a different time. Either way they still seem identical in appearance apart from the run out groove scratches. I can't see why anyone would go to the trouble of pressing a new bootleg on vinyl; or how they'd end up in one branch of HMV or indeed any branch of a major shop. I guess the Rough Trade people would know; if anyone was nearby they could pop in the shop and chat them up. Remember how they actually checked via Mute and Bill and Jimmy that WRTROM was legit or not? Cheers, Drew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:33:58 +1100 From: "Michael Hurwood" Subject: (klf) MP3 Remixes found on 'net Hi all, I've been picking up some odd remixes of various KLF tracks using Napster and other methods and I wonder if anybody knows their pedigree? Are they just being done by fans or are some of these on proper DJ compilation CDs out there? The files are: 7,433,930 KLF - 3am Eternal (Disc Drive Mix).mp3 11,020,288 KLF - dogg bite megamix.mp3 (The first column is the file size in bytes.) The Dogg Bite Megamix has 3am Eternal, What Time Is Love, Church of the KLF and Last train all mixed together. The 3am Eternal (Disc Drive Mix) repeats "It's time to chant" as a sample, and also "What time is it?". Any ideas? Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:39:32 +0100 From: "Kjetil Limkjaer" Subject: RE: (klf) MP3 Remixes found on 'net Hi Michael, > I've been picking up some odd remixes of various KLF tracks using Napster > and other methods and I wonder if anybody knows their pedigree? Are they > just being done by fans or are some of these on proper DJ compilation CDs > out there? > > The files are: > > 7,433,930 KLF - 3am Eternal (Disc Drive Mix).mp3 > 11,020,288 KLF - dogg bite megamix.mp3 > > (The first column is the file size in bytes.) > Any ideas? Don't know about the second one, here's something about the first.. Various Disc Drive Producer's Choice: The Best Of Volume 3 Remix Service United States Disc Drive Records DDCD-01 7:18 HIPPY CHICK - Soho 6:00 STATE OF THE WORLD - Janet Jackson 6:08 GONNA MAKE YOU SWEAT - C&C Music Factory 6:13 3 A.M. ETERNAL - The KLF 6:45 TOUCH ME (All Night Long) - Cathy Dennis 6:45 TOGETHER FOREVER - Lisette Melindez 6:03 NOW THAT WE FOUND LOVE - Heavy D & The Boyz 7:42 EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY - Black Box 6:25 MOVE THIS - Technotronic 6:45 YOU THINK YOU KNOW HER - Cause & Effect 7:26 USE IT UP, WEAR IT OUT - Pat & Mick This song was featured on Blake's Synthpop Page (http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/synthpop.htm) some time ago. Excellent page, by the way - well worth a visit. That's also where the information is from. Disc Drive is one of the several professional remix services that remixes artists tracks for money, another example is Razormaid.. Hope this helps, Kjetil - -------------------------------------------------------------- FIQAS Software BV - First In Quality And Service - -------------------------------------------------------------- Hornweg 5, 1432 GD AALSMEER, The Netherlands, +31(0)297-382323 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:26:03 GMT From: "DJ Kuta" Subject: RE: (klf) MP3 Remixes found on 'net > > The files are: > > > > 7,433,930 KLF - 3am Eternal (Disc Drive Mix).mp3 > > 11,020,288 KLF - dogg bite megamix.mp3 > Here's the info about the second one: The Dogg Bite Mix (12" 1991 US; Euro-Mixx KLF-26) one-sided DJ radio promo licensed by Euro-Mixx Records, Inc. Mixes the A side of the White Room album... DAN - --- DJ Kuta /KLF Online (www.klf.de) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:07:31 EST From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV > Ok so the mystery deepens. Not really, at least to me. What we have so far: NEW: JAMSLP 1 A ORIGINAL: MPO JAMS LP 1 A1 RED BOOTLEG: 1LP A 1 (I assume it's JAMS1LP but the poster did not specfically mention JAMS) All three have different numbers so I'm not sure where the mystery lie. The new issue can't be original, and I certainly doubt so many would suddenly be found somewhere. With today's technology a decent quality original could easily be cleaned up audiowise and pressed to vinyl. How about actual sleeve markings? Does anyone have both an original and a new issue? > I can't see why anyone would go to the trouble of pressing a new bootleg on > vinyl; Because it's not technically a bootleg but a counterfeit. The new Space issue is also counterfeit. The point of counterfeits is to make you think you have an original, not to get the music out to the people like bootlegs. (see Introducing the Beatles, a notoriously couterfeited LP) > I guess the Rough Trade people would know; if anyone was nearby they > could pop in the shop and chat them up. Remember how they actually > checked via Mute and Bill and Jimmy that WRTROM was legit or not? If anyone decides to do this could they wait a week or two until my copy gets sent out? Don't want them to pull it if they find out the truth... - -paul Currently in rotation: Welcome to the Pleasuredome (custom) - FGTH, Space # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:47:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) MP3 Remixes found on 'net > 11,020,288 KLF - dogg bite megamix.mp3 AFAIK an officially licenced DJ megamix (like the old DMC and Music Factory volumes). I have an original vinyl of this, along with DMC volume 1 and a few others that I bought off a DJ years ago along with the rather more substantial matter of some decks, an amp, speakers, etc :) I believe both of the tracks you mention are listed in Lazio's essential disgraphy - http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:23:14 +0100 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) Russian Chill Out Anyone ever heared about this: The KLF: Chill Out Limited edition of 500 copies only. Label: ArsNova - AN2075. 14 tracks. - -- Torsten Pattberg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:39 -0000 From: "Stephen Kennedy" Subject: Re: (klf) 1987/HMV > > Ok so the mystery deepens. > > Not really, at least to me. I tend to agree with you in principle (i.e. I suspect it's not a rediscovered batch of originals, although it would be nice to think it is), but: > > I can't see why anyone would go to the trouble of pressing a new bootleg on > > vinyl; > > Because it's not technically a bootleg but a counterfeit. The new Space > issue is also counterfeit. The new Space has no mention of KLF Communications, from what I can deduce of the scans. Surely the original has a record label credit? Therefore if so, the new Space is either a bootleg or not the most successful attempt ever at counterfeiting. Mind you, a lot of counterfeits are identifiable in one way or another so I guess this discrepancy wouldn't disqualify it from being classified as such. > The point of counterfeits is to make you think you have an original, not to > get the music out to the people like bootlegs. (see Introducing the Beatles, > a notoriously couterfeited LP) What's that, the butcher cover? Meet The Beatles wasn't it? Not sure, as I'm English and the butcher cover was American (great sleeve BTW, admittedly in rather bad taste). If however 1987 is a counterfeit then why on earth is it being sold at Rough Trade (who Bill has had past involvement with, remember) for 10.99 and not through Record Collector ads at 50 quid a pop? Anyrode, I think I might just order one before they've all gone and/or been pulled... :) [Another possibility given the apparent quality of these pressings: Bill & Jimmy arranging a private pressing to earn a few quid??? Do they need the money??] Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #307 *************************