From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #383 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 02 : Number 383 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:18:33 EDT From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) It's hard being nice > Call me a cycnic but i'd say that CD's ordered over two years ago, which > you've been promised within a week of the cheque, are definately not going > to show up now. Its a shame that the desire to hear KLF's music is used to > rip people off. K Cera Cera, as some would say. Its a pity that some fan's > integrity is a lot less than that of their idols. To be fair, how long did it take us to get Mu v2 and WROST? But, seriously, it's in the FAQ that Dutton was unreliable. Some got their discs, others didn't when he got bored of making them. Anyone sending him money was gambling, including myself. - -paul Currently in rotation: various mp3s - Awaiting FGTH - Club Mixes 2000; Utah Saints - Two # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:00:33 +0100 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) It's hard being nice > seriously, it's in the FAQ that Dutton was unreliable. I think "unreliable" is when someone says they'll do you a favour and never get round to it. Taking money for something and not delivering is a bit more serious than "unreliable". In my opinion. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:29:38 +0200 From: "c-Row" Subject: (klf) Chill Out BBC Hi, does anyone own a copy of the sample CD the KLF used for Chill Out ? cy@ Thom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:34:41 +0100 From: Dan Abel Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC c-Row [mailto:c-Row@gmx.de] wrote: > Hi, > > does anyone own a copy of the sample CD the KLF used for Chill Out ? i must admit i always assumed it vinyl... Anyone know any decent soundtrack type cds for chillout type vibes... i've made up a cd of my own for some dj-ing but it was quite limited... - ------------------------------------------------------------ Internet communications are not secure and therefore Oyster Partners Ltd does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Oyster Partners Ltd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:41:24 -0000 From: "Deano" Subject: (klf) grim up north Hi all. I know none of you may not have an Its Grim up North shirt for sale ( if you do please tell me ) but could someone do me a favour and scan theirs if they own one and send me the picture so I can print one myself? I would scan the CD cover for the above record but the fonts differ slightly from the shirt and the record. Many thanks.! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:01:37 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC On Wed 25 Oct, Dan Abel wrote: > > c-Row [mailto:c-Row@gmx.de] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > does anyone own a copy of the sample CD the KLF used for Chill Out ? > > i must admit i always assumed it vinyl... > > Anyone know any decent soundtrack type cds for chillout type vibes... > i've made up a cd of my own for some dj-ing but it was quite > limited... There's a wide variety of music that could be called 'chill out'. Here's just a very very small selection of it. Juno Reactor's "Luciana" is an hour long set of deep relaxing rumbling noises. The new "Back To Mine" album by Faithless is a compilation of relaxed acoustic-type mellow songs and is lovely last thing at night. Nick Warren's "Back To Mine" is also great. Moby's "Hymn" is half an hour of long smooth relaxing chords. Alpinestars' "BASIC" is an hour of light melodic atmospheres and mellowness, like an Air album but less pop-orientated. Strange Country's "Strange Country 1" is like Chill Out but a bit quirkier- more of the TV samples, less of the birdnoise-type sounds. Hard to find too. Messiah's "Thunderdome" single cannot be chilled out to. But it's playing now so I thought I'd mention it. Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/community/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:27:18 +0100 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC > does anyone own a copy of the sample CD the KLF used for Chill Out ? I have a copy of the sound effects CD which provides (most of) the various motor vehicle sounds used on Chill Out, but obviously this is only a small part of the full non-KLF sample set. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:24:26 +0200 From: "DJ Kuta" Subject: (klf) Jimmy Who can send me a high-quality pic of Jimmy in 2000? Dan - ------------- DJ Kuta /KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:07:49 -0400 From: Reed Hedges Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC >> does anyone own a copy of the sample CD the KLF used for Chill Out ? > >I have a copy of the sound effects CD which provides (most of) the various >motor vehicle sounds used on Chill Out, but obviously this is only a small >part of the full non-KLF sample set. what is it called/who publishes it? - -- Reed Hedges reed@zerohour.net http://zerohour.net/reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:15:03 +0100 From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC I used to borrow BBC sound effect LPs from my local library when I was a boy, good fun. As for getting hold of them now, your best bet would be to go to the following web site and work from there.... http://www.bbcshop.com/bbc_shop/ click on 'audio', then 'essential sound effects' and purchase what you will. I cant beleive that they wont be the same recordings featured on Chill Out, and just about every BBC programme since time began. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:17:53 +0100 From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out BBC Are these the CDs that are produced by the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (or whatever they're called)? There is a range of about fifty CDs that have almost every concivable sound effect that you could ever image on them. Rather neat - but a bit pricy if I remeber correctly (which I might not do....) Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:23:08 +0100 From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out BBC > what is it called/who publishes it? It's called "Authentic Sound Effects Volume 2", compiled and produced by Keith Holzman. It's on the Elektra label - number 9 60732-2. Last time I looked it was available from amazon.com. Cheers, Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:07:36 +0100 From: "John.C.S.Quel" Subject: (klf) You must be joking! http://www.eyestorm.com/feature/ED2n_article.asp?article_id=168 You Must Be Joking by Iain Aitch 10/26/00 The annual Root festival of time-based art this year focused on tricks, pranks and interventions. Writer Iain Aitch's diary shows that the most disturbing events had little to do with the festival. Friday 20 October Hull Time Based Art's annual Root festival mixes established artists with new talent, and makes a point Peter of being bang-up-to-date with artists utilizing new Richards, technologies. This year, the festival's eighth, the from theme is tricks, pranks and interventions. I pack my hand-buzzer and set off on my journey from London, much to the derision of colleagues who feel that the idea of an arts event in Hull - one of England's least glamorous northern towns - must be a trick in itself. The pranks begin at King's Cross station. My train to Hull is up on the board, but on double-checking I am informed that it actually starts at Peterborough, not London. I dash to the first train heading north and jump aboard. On changing, I find that the Hull train is actually a kind of glorified bus, and eerily empty. A nun boards at Grantham the journey is scarily reminiscent of a cliched disaster movie. Luckily matters don't slide into actual disaster as I finally make it to my destination. Strolling into town I come across my first band of pranksters: a gang of men and women dressed in those all-in-one biohazard suits used during chemical disasters (and other B-Movie scenarios). I approach them, eager not to miss a performance, when it dawns on me that they are actually from a trade union trying to recruit members in the area, and nothing to do with the festival at all. Oh. First on the bill at the riverside Timebase venue is novelist and provocateur Stewart Home who delivers an overview of the pranksters that have influenced him. Home is best remembered in the artworld for his 1990-1993 Art Strike (for which he stayed in bed and made no art), although always manages to have several pranks and feuds on the go at any given time. 'Pranks lie on the border between art, subversion and publicity,' he says, which is particularly apt when looking back at Home's previous work. In one tabloid-worthy stunt Home handed out flyers to the homeless around London advertising 'free booze, nosh and strippers'. The event they were in fact being invited to was the award party for Britain's most prestigious literary event, the Booker Prize. Largely inspired by the Situationist International - an anarchic 60s movement combining Marxism and media theory - Home has long been a thorn in the side of the media, the literary establishment and the numerous unfortunate individuals who have crossed him. His most celebrated example of the form was the Necrocard, a dead ringer for the National Health Service's organ donor card - the twist being that holders agree to donate their cadaver for post-life sexual activity. One of Home's best pranks within the artworld was his claim to do what the Royal Academy could not: bring 17th Century Dutch painter Jan Vermeer to London. Home's Vermeer II consisted of badly photocopied examples of Vermeer's paintings with splashes of paint added. He claimed that this recreated the feel of other venues where the Vermeer exhibition had toured across Europe; the exhibition proved so popular that visitors often had to stare at the work through opera glasses over crowds ten or more deep. Home's 'Vermeers' were priced according to a multiple pricing system, which meant that one painting was 25, two were 100, three cost 400 and so on. To buy the whole lot would run into several millions. 'Not even Saatchi could afford to buy me out,' he proudly stated. But not all tricksters are so uncompromising, as a lecture by Hans Extrem revealed. Extrem is not afraid to be called a 'sell out'; he has honed his pranking skills specifically for the commercial field. A veteran of electronic artists etoy, Extrem has long been at the forefront of viral marketing and PR trickery - he's an expert in what he refers to as 'media hacking, shock marketing and user branding'. This combination of factors allows Extrem to play creatively with media and public to the advantage of his clients. 'Shock causes a person to open all their channels and allows you to pump in information,' he says. Extrem was involved with etoy when they undertook their Digital Hijack, an early piece of search engine Extrem manipulation that placed etoy at the top of the search strings for terms such as 'porsche'. Their digital trickery allowed them to 'hijack' over 1,000,000 web users in four months. One of ubermorgen.com's recent projects, [v]ote-auction.com, is now hosted outside of the US after intervention by the FBI and various state legal departments. The site is a unique twist on the trend for online auctions such as eBay: American voters put their vote up for auction and political parties are invited to place bids to guarantee a positive result in chosen states. Saturday 21 October I get up early, deciding to familiarize myself with the town. Heading past the train station I bump into Stewart Home. 'Come with me,' he says, setting off at a brisk pace. I follow. Pretty soon we are in what appears to be the student area of Hull. Home stops and mutters something unintelligible. He wanders into the Victorian urinal Community we are standing next to, emerging with a man whom he introduces as John. John is holding a map of the London Underground and explains that we are going to use this to navigate our way to where Home wants to take me. He claims we are currently at Holborn Station and must make our way to Bow Station. An explanation of sorts brings in Freemasonry, MI5 (the UK's secret police), and the revelation that the center of Hull is laid out in the shape of the Union Jack. I nod; it seems foolish to disagree. Home explains that I am participating in a series of unscheduled walks that he has organized while keeping the festival's organizers in the dark. So off we go 'Here we are', Home announces as we come to the end of a leafy residential street. It turns out that the house John is now photographing is inhabited by one of Home's detractors. A neighbour twitches the curtains - Home decides that this means our job is done and we head back into the city centre. Home is obviously something of an expert in paranoia. On the way back through the central square I hear the Islamic call to prayer ring out. People look up, perplexed. It is a simple intervention that works beautifully; this is a noise that most of us will have heard on news reports at some time, and yet here, amongst the white faces of a northern industrial town, it is enigmatically misplaced. The work, Muezzin Daily, by Austria-based Eva Ursprung, is to be repeated at each prayer time over the weekend. The beguiling call is soon drowned out by London-based art-terrorists The Molotov Organization, David with their cacophonous reverse busking. The group of Cotterrell 20-something sometime DJs play toy instruments and race around the audience handing out toy money. The effect would have been greater had they been handing out small amounts of real money, but they draw a crowd nonetheless. The value of the action is largely saved by its interaction with another piece of art - David Cotterrell and Alberto Duman's Voice Over, a sound sculpture which amplifies and echoes Molotov's scraping and blowing. An evening of 60s Fluxus film provides an ideal opportunity for audience interaction and draws shouts, screams and loud farting noises during Yoko Ono's bare-butt film Bottoms. Maurice Le Matre's 1951 work Le Film Est Deja Commenc? (Has the film started?) creates wondrous confusion, and Anthony McCall's beautiful short Line Describing a Circle from 1973 has the audience enthralled as the projection creates a cone of light in the smoke that has been pumped into the theater. By the end of the film the whole audience is on the stage, staring back at the light of the projector in a scene that recalls Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Sunday 22 October The final day of the festival offers a chance to look at Laurencesome of the work in the Ferens Gallery in the town centre. Laurence Lane's BIP uses a turntable and a BIP barcode reader to create an amusing Fluxus- like sound sculpture, whilst Simon Poulter's Afterworld, a digital guillotine, allows the public to experience a real-time decapitation and ascend (or descend) to the afterlife of their choosing. Peter Richards' Cartoons is a bright and likeable selection of photographs taken with a pinhole camera, but their link to the festival theme seems somewhat tenuous. The same is true of Hanno Soans and Catarina Campino's Private Dancer video. There is a great community feel at the festival but this lack of thematic clarity tends to detract from its overall success. Where pranks or interventions are attempted, there is a tendency to re-hash Fluxus feats from the past rather than utilize new technologies to create a new wave of original pranks. Overall there just isn't enough unexpected prankery, or anything particularly dangerous or shocking. Upsetting, provoking or unsettling members of the public has always been the mark of the prankster, and only Great North Eastern Railways has managed that with any consistency over the weekend. Unintentional as those disruptions may have been, as explained, all sorts of organizations from trade unions to corporations - are now appropriating prankster tactics for PR purposes. So it seems that artists wishing to upset the status quo need to raise the stakes, or at least employ a little more wit and poetry to differentiate themselves from the ubiquitous marketing stunt. Paradoxically, while Root may have suffered from the prevalence of trickery in today's society, this very excess at least proves the festival's relevance. As the festival draws to a close the work with most potential is still unfinished. Bill Drummond, former founder-member of notorious pop group The KLF, has started a series of city twinnings, first pairing Belfast with 'your wildest dreams'. Hull was due to be twinned with 'your darkest thoughts', but the road sign remained at the venue throughout the weekend. Once erected, however, Drummond's work will surely promote the kind of discourse that only the best pranks can, as nonplussed motorists perform mental double-takes, and find themselves drawn inexorably towards their 'darkest thoughts'. Prank poetry at it's best. Root: http://www.timebase.org Stewart Home: http://www.stewarthomesociety.org ubermorgen.com: http://www.ubermorgen.com etoy: http://www.etoy.com [v]ote-auction.com: http://www.vote-auction.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:03:58 EDT From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) 3am eternal totp 1991 I have a bit of a rarety up for sale / auction. It's 3am Eternal (top of the pops 1991) one sided 7" vinyl. Cat no. KLF 5 TOTP. I'm sure you all know what it is, but for the others it's a 'thrash rock' style version of 3am. It also comes with it's original mailer, dated 10/02/92 & a t-shirt info and price guide sheet (TS 001) I know this is hard to find, I know how long it took me to get it in the first place! Email me with offers. Miles. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:23:20 EDT From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) Moody boys. Does anyone know if the Moody boy's own releases are worth collecting as a klf related artist? As they featured on KLF releases and of course did those remixes. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:44:04 EDT From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) 3am eternal christmas top of th pops 1991 I have a bit of a rarety up for sale / auction. It's 3am Eternal christmas (top of the pops 1991) one sided 7" vinyl. Cat no. KLF 5 TOTP. I'm sure you all know what it is, but for the others it's a 'thrash rock' style version of 3am. It also comes with it's original mailer, dated 10/02/92 & a t-shirt info and price guide sheet (TS 001) . Email me with offers. I am unable to reply to emails sent to me form 12pm today (friday) until sunday morning as I work away at weekends. Do please still send the offers in, I will contact everyone as soon as I get home on sunday. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:02:07 EDT From: "Stephen Boyd" Subject: (klf) Chumbawamba / sampling Found a copy of Chumbawamba's "Shhh" cd in the discount bin here, and upon looking through the liner notes, I noticed they'd included a couple of letters declining sample use (including "I Should Be So Lucky" and "Silly Love Songs"), but one in particular piqued my interest: - ----- 27th February, 1992. Dear [blank here -- wonder why?] RE: MONEY MONEY MONEY -- CHUMBAWAMBA / JESUS H. CHRIST ALBUM Thank you for your letter of February 5th and the tape of the extract of the above. I sent all the material to the Abba writers in Sweden and the original publishers. I very much regret to tell you but they have said an emphatic NO to the use of this copyright. I must therefore ask you to edit it from your track immediately. I am afraid they could not be persuaded on any level. After past experiences they have set a precedent for not clearing uses of any kind. - ------ The letter goes on a bit more asking written confirmation of the deletion. What interests me, and the possible KLF content, is that last line above: "After past experiences...." Could they be talking about our boys? - --Quahogs-- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:52:09 +0100 From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out BBC The original Chill out samples (including the ubiquitous sheep ) were taken from BBC in house sound effects. They were "borrowed " from the Beeb by John Peel's secretary - Pinky (who had a thing for (not with) Scott Piering) So there's your connection - don't forget Peely had first play on many KLF releases Hope you enjoyed the history lesson Andy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:34:33 +1100 From: Chris Subject: Re: (klf) Chumbawamba / sampling Stephen Boyd wrote: > The letter goes on a bit more asking written confirmation of the deletion. > What interests me, and the possible KLF content, is that last line above: > "After past experiences...." > > Could they be talking about our boys? Almost certainly. But on the topic of Chumbawamba and sampling, their website has a bunch of unused mixes of a track from their last album; plus they've recently added a brand new remix (with help from Negativland) that samples artists opposed to file-sharing, making an artistic commentary on the practice. If anyone's interested, http://www.chumba.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #383 *************************