From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #489 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Thursday, October 25 2001 Volume 02 : Number 489 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:34:03 -0700 From: "happy consumer" Subject: (klf) foundry art what's going on with the art stuff in the basement of the foundry? last time i was there in march they had a photographic documentary, by phuc quach, of the us invasion of vietnam. filled up the entire room. so many images. on every wall, every vertical surface in that room. war atrocities, explosions, deformities... just curious what they have going on now, especially with the war against the al qaida/taliban. happyconsumer - ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the world's greatest site at http://www.farts.com and listen to the fart of the day. Also, get your very own farts.com E-mail account. FREE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:43:52 -0700 From: "happy consumer" Subject: RE: (klf) interesting laerm, did you go? if i knew earlier i wouldve gone up to check it out. im in jersey. happyconsumer >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:42:42 -0400 (EDT) >tonight, in NYC, zodiac mindwarp is listed as playing at a place called >luxx. i suppose i ought to go check it out, eh? - ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the world's greatest site at http://www.farts.com and listen to the fart of the day. Also, get your very own farts.com E-mail account. FREE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:30:56 +0100 From: John Subject: Re: (klf) foundry art happy consumer writes >what's going on with the art stuff in the basement of the foundry? Well, the Foundry sent out this mailing yesterday and it looks like Chumbawamba are making a weekend of their current visit to the Big Smoke after their appearance at the Anarchist Bookfair yesterday. date: oct.20.01 FF:FOUNDRYFESTIVAL a few weeks of exhibition / activity / performance in the big room downstairs whats happening SUN 21 october SUNDAY 21 OCT CHUMBAWUMBA WELL DONE NOW SOD OFF A potted history of Chumbawamba. Footage and interviews from the last two decades featuring some of the worst haircuts known to man. This is the unlikely tale of a band who spent more time shoplifting than jamming and somehow managed to scrape a living from making radical music in a conservative culture. Tagged "One Hit Wonders" they ensured theyd never be invited to another award ceremony again by dousing the deputy prime minister at The Brit Awards in 1998. An ongoing punk rock saga. SUNDAY AFTERNOON ARTISTSAGAINSTWAR SUNDAY EVENING POETS+ WORMS bring a worm or a poem foundry festival continues in the big room until 18 november / suggestions / bring an art /performance/thing / infoline 07904256653 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:03:27 -500 From: Disco Dan Subject: (klf) Shag Times LP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:03:27 -500 From: Disco Dan Subject: (klf) Shag Times LP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:05:27 -500 From: Disco Dan Subject: (klf) Shag Times LP... While at the local record store (Plan 9) I stumbled upon a couple of "sealed" copies of the Double LP Shag Times. I wasn't sure if these were bootlegs or not, but I assumed they were (hence I haven't purchased one yet), but I thought I'd ask the list what to look for in the bootleg. In otherwords, as I look at the lp, is there anything on the outside that distinguishes the bootleg from the original? If anyone could let me know, I'd be very grateful. Thanks Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:20:27 +0100 From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > While at the local record store (Plan 9) I stumbled upon a couple of > "sealed" copies of the Double LP Shag Times. I wasn't sure if these > were bootlegs or not, but I assumed they were (hence I haven't > purchased one yet), but I thought I'd ask the list what to look for in > the bootleg. In otherwords, as I look at the lp, is there anything on > the outside that distinguishes the bootleg from the original? If > anyone could let me know, I'd be very grateful. Thanks The first thing that struck me about the bootleg rereleases I've seen in London is that one of the speakers on the Pyramid Blaster is blacked out. This certainly isn't the case on the cover of my genuine Shag Times LP. That almost screams of the bootlegger leaving a blatant clue for genuine collectors to notice. Del - ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:02:58 From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times LP... >From: Disco Dan >To: klf@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (klf) Shag Times LP... >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:05:27 -500 > > >While at the local record store (Plan 9) I stumbled upon a couple of >"sealed" copies of the Double LP Shag Times. I wasn't sure if these >were bootlegs or not, but I assumed they were (hence I haven't >purchased one yet), Myself I'd buy one even if they were bootlegs (as I'm sure they are) since the boot is probably really cheap, and the real thing would be the exact opposite of cheap. What is $15 compared to the $90 the real thing is going to cost you? At least with the bootleg you can play the thing and not worry about the "value" going down. However I haven't seen any of the new KLF bootlegs where I live (Michigan, USA). Sometimes I really envy Europeans' shopping oppourunities... Chad Gombosi Member SCP MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:08:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Barker?= Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times LP... Probably is a boot. Check the KLF Communications logo on the sleeve – my 1987 boot has a mistake. I can’t remember of the top of my head, but it’s something like a 1 instead of an i, or something. Ask if you can open it – some of the boots I’ve bought have mistakes on the labels. Check the ‘SOUND OF MU (sic)’ in large letters around the edge of the label. The (sic) should be in smaller letters and at right angles to the rest of the text. The boots do not have the (sic) at all. Also, the covers on the new boots seem to be thinner and flimsier than originals. Does anyone have all the boots, corresponding originals and too much time on their hands? If so, could you document them all and send to lazlo / klf.de to update the discog. The only problem with this, is that putting the mistakes into the public domain may alert the bootleggers to their errors and make future boots harder to spot… Thoughts? Chris --- Disco Dan wrote: > > While at the local record store (Plan 9) I stumbled > upon a couple of > "sealed" copies of the Double LP Shag Times. I > wasn't sure if these > were bootlegs or not, but I assumed they were (hence > I haven't > purchased one yet), but I thought I'd ask the list > what to look for in > the bootleg. In otherwords, as I look at the lp, is > there anything on > the outside that distinguishes the bootleg from the > original? If > anyone could let me know, I'd be very grateful. > Thanks > > Daniel ===== Cheers, Chris Barker cjbarker2000@yahoo.co.uk chris@theresonlyonechrisbarker.co.uk http://theresonlyonechrisbarker.co.uk ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:44:15 +0200 (MEST) From: Thomas Touzimsky Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times LP... > Does anyone have all the boots, corresponding > originals and too much time on their hands? If so, > could you document them all and send to lazlo / klf.de > to update the discog. We thought about that before, but since we don´t own all the bootlegs, we would need scans of the discs and labels from... "somewhere". :-) If you got something, you can send it to thomas@klf.de or one of my mates @ KLF Online. Nice week - --- Thomas Touzimsky www.klf.de - -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:25:21 +0100 From: "thuggy666" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > While at the local record store (Plan 9) I stumbled upon a couple of > "sealed" copies of the Double LP Shag Times. I wasn't sure if these > were bootlegs or not, but I assumed they were (hence I haven't > purchased one yet), but I thought I'd ask the list what to look for in > the bootleg. In otherwords, as I look at the lp, is there anything on > the outside that distinguishes the bootleg from the original? If > anyone could let me know, I'd be very grateful. Thanks Ummm... if this is the same bootleg as HMV has been selling for months in London, then it's obvious it's a bootleg, because it puts both LPs in the one sleeve, with all the newspaper clippings on a separate bit of card separating them. The original Shag Times LPs came in a "folds open" gatefold sleeve, with the clippings on the inside. As to the LPs themselves... I have both, and will check them out next time I get a chance. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:47:48 -500 From: Disco Dan Subject: (klf) Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=28klf=29?= Shag Times LP... > However I haven't seen any of the new KLF bootlegs where I live (Michigan, > USA). > > Sometimes I really envy Europeans' shopping oppourunities... Actually, I'm in Richmond, VA, USA. Surprised the hell out of me when I saw two of them. Figured it was too good to be true so it must be bootlegged. Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:12:38 +0100 From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > The only problem with this, is that putting the > mistakes into the public domain may alert the > bootleggers to their errors and make future boots > harder to spot… > Thoughts? I still maintain that the Bootleggers have left in these mistakes on purpose, so that they can be distinguished from the originals. This could be for a number of reasons. Either they're genuine fans who don't want to dupe other fans, or they like leaving little clues for trainspotters, or they don't want to devalue their own original copies, which probably cost them a fortune. I can't believe that anyone who has the skill and expertise to run off such convincing copies would then fuck up on something so obvious. The fact is, it's only hardcore fans who have access to the originals, or who subscribe to lists like this. 90% of the people buying the boots are just curious, or have a vague recollection of their release first time round. They might guess it's a bootleg (probably from the quality and price), but won't really care, so long as the sound quality is ok. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe you're getting a KLF/Jams original on vinyl for a tenner. Del - ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:49:05 -0400 (EDT) From: laerm Subject: RE: (klf) interesting On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, happy consumer wrote: > did you go? > if i knew earlier i wouldve gone up to check it out. > im in jersey. i went, but scheduling caused a foul-up somewhere, it seems. i got there to find out zodiac mindwarp played the night before. bummer. i wonder if they get harassed by crazy KLF fans all the time? ;) my girlfriend wanted to see them, too - she's not into the KLF (like i am, but she did have _white room_ and _chill out_ before i met her), but she was an 80's metalhead. ;) micah stupak /"\ don't be alarmed laerm soulfood.org \ / it will not harm you international bright young kook X it's only me pursuing ascii ribbon campaign / \ something i'm not sure of against html email # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:08:14 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: (klf) "KLF live" Sorry if this has been mentioned before - The current issue of UK dance magazine Mixmag (with the '100 greatest club tracks of all time' cover) has a small feature near the start of the mag about the new "KLF live" bootleg that has been circulating. There's a short bunch of text, basically saying that they're presuming it's a bootleg as they have a short quote from Bill Drummond stating that they never played live, but then also wondering whether it's Bill & Jimmy trying to do a double-bluff instead. There's also a picture of the CD in question, first time I've seen what it looks like at any rate. The CD itself looks professionally done, very like the original UK CDs or (perhaps tellingly?) like Marshall's White Room bootleg CD. The front label is by somebody who knows their KLF stuff- mentions the "Black Room", the other bootlegs going around, and is even credited to 'Sally' (same name as one of the KLF's old publicists?...). However the one key thing that it doesn't seem to mention is what it *sounds* like. I'm guessing 'bootleg'. Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:59:14 -0400 From: "andylee@callnetuk.com" Subject: RE: (klf) KLF live Wasn't that the CD that appeared in the NME news recently? The boys have played live - I've got the MPEG to prove it (Chipping norton rave + dollar bills ) Andy - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:38:39 +0100 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > -----Original Message----- > From: thuggy666 > Sent: 22 October 2001 20:25 > To: Disco Dan; klf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > Ummm... if this is the same bootleg as HMV has been selling for months in > London, then it's obvious it's a bootleg, because it puts both LPs in the > one sleeve, with all the newspaper clippings on a separate bit of card > separating them. The original Shag Times LPs came in a "folds > open" gatefold > sleeve, with the clippings on the inside. Michael, are these LP's still available at HMV? Thanks, Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:14:20 +0100 From: "thuggy666" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > > Ummm... if this is the same bootleg as HMV has been selling for > > months in London, then it's obvious it's a bootleg, because it > > puts both LPs in the one sleeve, with all the newspaper clippings > > on a separate bit of card separating them. The original Shag > > Times LPs came in a "folds open" gatefold sleeve, with the > > clippings on the inside. > > Michael, are these LP's still available at HMV? Last I checked, yes, both HMVs on Oxford Street had copies. I think the Tottenham Court Road Virgin Megastore also had a couple. Look under "K" under "Dance" usually. You may also be able to pick up the recent 1987 and Space bootlegs at the same time. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:19:35 +0100 From: "thuggy666" Subject: RE: (klf) "KLF live" > There's a short bunch of text, basically saying that they're presuming > it's a bootleg as they have a short quote from Bill Drummond stating > that they never played live, but then also wondering whether it's Bill & > Jimmy trying to do a double-bluff instead. I have it on semi-good authority that this is indeed a bootleg, and not one officially sanctioned by Bill or Jimmy. It consists of album tracks with extra crowd noises added. Only a dozen or so copies have been made and sent to various magazines, BBC Radio, etc. So, yes, it's a bootleg, and probably not one that anyone but a complete Kompletist would say "It Must Be Mine!" about. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:47:04 -0500 From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) KLF live I think that was the only official time they played, apart from chill out sessions at Land Of Oz. > > Wasn't that the CD that appeared in the NME news recently? > > > The boys have played live - I've got the MPEG to prove it > (Chipping norton rave + dollar bills ) > > Andy > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:03:16 +0100 From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times LP... > Last I checked, yes, both HMVs on Oxford Street had copies. I think the > Tottenham Court Road Virgin Megastore also had a couple. Look under "K" > under "Dance" usually. You may also be able to pick up the recent 1987 and > Space bootlegs at the same time. HMV in Oxford Street had a few Shag Times and Chill Outs, but no Space or 1987 when I was in there last week. I wish someone would do Who Killed The Jams now. Haven't got a hard copy of that :o) Del - ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:15:55 +0100 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: RE: (klf) "KLF live" > -----Original Message----- >From: thuggy666 > Sent: 24 October 2001 18:20 > To: Stuart Bruce; KLF mailing list > Subject: RE: (klf) "KLF live" > So, yes, it's a bootleg, and probably not one that anyone but a complete > Kompletist would say "It Must Be Mine!" about. I want one! ;-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:37:10 +0200 From: "Daniel Erlemann" Subject: (klf) For sale Hi, I have the following items for sale. I didn't want them to put on Ebay... If anyone is interested or wants further info (scans etc.) please email me privately. Thanks, Danny +ACo- SPACE - Space LP1 (mint original) +ACo- Timelords - Gary in the Tardis 12+ACI- (German issue on Demix) +ACo- Timelords - Doctorin' The Tardis CD-Single (TVT Records) (mint) +ACo- Depeche Mode - Policy of Truth (incl. Trancentral Mix) (LCD Bong 19 CD-Single) (mint) +ACo- HELP Album (incl. The Magnificent) CD (mint) +ACo- The KLF - What Time Is Love? (2 Track Promo on Arista with rare +ACI-Remix+ACI- version) (mint) +ACo- Placebo - Every you every me (Incl. Scourge OT Earth Remix, German issue) CD-Single (mint) +ACo- Ian Brown - Love like a fountain (incl. Scourge Remix) 12+ACI- (mint) +ACo- Marilyn Manson - I don't like the drugs (incl. Scourge Remix) CD-Single (mint) +ACo- Talla 2XLC - What Time is Love CD-Single (still sealed) - --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #489 *************************