From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #511 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 02 : Number 511 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:25:40 +0000 From: John Subject: Re: (klf) OT: CDV Stuart Bruce writes >So does anybody have *any* other CD-V discs of any kind? Were there any >other singles put out in this format? AFAIK the first ever single released in this format was 'Listen Today' by Psychic TV. At least that`s what they always claimed and so presumably this is true! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:40:56 -0000 From: "John Shepherd" Subject: RE: (klf) OT: CDV > REALLY pixilated - often to the point where it was unwatchable - totally > ruined my first viewing of "Face-Off". This was almost certainly a "Video CD" disk (the thing that CD-i players, home computers and CDVideo players can play), and not a "VCD" disk (the thing that doctorin the tardis is). The reasons for this deduction are: (1) Video CD is a horribly pixilated MPEG1-based video format, which is still a very popular distribution format in Hong Kong and India. and (2) VCD can only hold 6 minutes of video. That would be a really short film. John. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:40:55 -0000 From: "John Shepherd" Subject: RE: (klf) OT: CDV > Good luck with trying EAC on the disc, but the way I understand it from > John's post, it may well not work- because the "data" on the CD-V is not > even digitally stored in a way that a CD-ROM drive could even translate > into a computer file. It could be compared to trying to get a normal > CD-ROM drive to read any data off a DVD. That's correct - digital data is stored on CD as a series of "pits" and "not pits", representing binary digits - zeroes and ones. Laserdisk, IIRC, actually stores it's data by varying the gap between consecutive pits on the surface of the disk - the size of the gap corresponding to changes in the analogue waveform (!) ...as such, the analogy of trying to get a CD-ROM to read a vinyl disk was actually a pretty good one... (also, my memory might be letting me down on this, but I'm pretty sure that if you did a reverse seek on an LD player the machine achieved it by playing the disk backwards!!) The audio and video data on VCD disks were completely isolated, and recorded in seperate physical formats. The format flopped - I think there was only a couple of dozen titles released. However, I would guess that releasing a VCD would be a pretty canny marketing ploy, since the limited catalogue of available material would probably mean that anybody foolish enough to have bought a dedicated player would probably be desperate enough to snap up any VCD title they could get their hands on, irrespective of the artist! > Moby's "Disk" multimedia component is data suitable for a CD-ROM drive, > the problem there being getting the PC to look in the right place, > rather than the actual act of getting the drive to read it at all. > Hopefully somebody else can expand on this... I found that the only way I could read the multimedia stuff was using an old PC with CD-ROM DOS drivers installed - the windows CD drivers on the same machine wouldn't recognise it! ...I ended up copying the entire data portion via a DOS session (I think it's about 100 - 200 Meg) to hard disk, dropped back into windows and ran it from hard disk. Pretty tortuous procedure (and not for the technically illiterate!), but it's actually worth it - "disk" still puts a lot of todays "enhanced" CDs to shame! > So does anybody have *any* other CD-V discs of any kind? Were there any > other singles put out in this format? An electronics shop near me used to sell the format (this was in the late 80s) - the only thing I really remember was that the rack of available titles was laughably small, and they had a demo disk of madonna permanently fixed in the machine. I seem to recall that Front 242 released a CDV single (possibly headhunter?) somewhere along the line too... John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: RE: (klf) OT: CDV On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, John Shepherd wrote: > I found that the only way I could read the multimedia stuff was using an > old PC with CD-ROM DOS drivers installed - the windows CD drivers on the > same machine wouldn't recognise it! ...I ended up copying the entire > data portion via a DOS session (I think it's about 100 - 200 Meg) to > hard disk, dropped back into windows and ran it from hard disk. Pretty > tortuous procedure (and not for the technically illiterate!), but it's > actually worth it - "disk" still puts a lot of todays "enhanced" CDs to > shame! ahh, there's an idea. i've got "disk", too, and have never used the multimedia portion cuz i never got it to work. i will look into this. > An electronics shop near me used to sell the format (this was in the > late 80s) - the only thing I really remember was that the rack of > available titles was laughably small, and they had a demo disk of > madonna permanently fixed in the machine. I seem to recall that Front > 242 released a CDV single (possibly headhunter?) somewhere along the > line too... yep, 242's "headhunter" was a CDV. micah stupak /"\ laerm soulfood.org \ / the world is falling down international bright young kook X and it may as well crash ascii ribbon campaign / \ with me against html email # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:35:23 -0800 From: Ernie Longmire Subject: (klf) ** Important ** Last Call: Lists Moving To mailman.xmission.com Hi everybody! This is final notice that the lists receiving this message= have moved to the Mailman mailing list software and a new= subscription/posting interface located at mailman.xmission.com. If you= haven't already subscribed to the list at its new home page (listed on the= http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo page) please do so= now. After the old lists are shut down (sometime in the next 24-48 hours, I= believe) posts sent to the old list addresses will *not* be forwarded to= the new lists, so please update your address listings. The old addresses= get loads of junk email messages every day, and the new lists will be much= easier to maintain if we make a clean start with new addresses. Thanks for your patience, and as always please let me know if you have any= questions or concerns about the move. s - -- Ernie Longmire - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - www.studio-nibble.com -= /\/oo\/\ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:21:12 +0000 From: Jonathan Wakely Subject: (klf) Re: [KLF] Gnostic suppression and how it related to the Illuminatus Trilogy A few minutes ago, I wrote: > If you believe people like XXX then the freemasons ARE the illuminati. Hmmm, somehow "the John Birch society" has been censored from my mail. How sinister! Or then again, maybe i couldn't remember their name at the time and forgot to correct it before sending the mail ;) - -- "This Statement is False" (Courtesy of POEE) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:26:19 -500 From: Disco Dan Subject: (klf) RE: =?iso-8859-1?q?=28klf=29?= anyone know where I can download The Dr.Who video in mp3 > Presumably not, based on what John said- the data will be stored on a > disc in a way that a conventional CD-ROM or DVD drive simply won't read. > So it's not a question of interpreting the data, it's a question of > getting the data off the disc in the first place. You'd need hardware > emulation (which might well not exist), rather than software emulation. Though I'm coming in sort of late on this one, there's been a trend lately in VCDs (Video CDs) and SVCDs (Super Video CDs) that can play on both PCs and DVD players, but not ALL DVD players. If what you're talking about is really just something that can be read on a Laserdisc player then I'm way off track, but if it's a VCD, you'd see the file in windows explorer, though it would look like a DAT file in VCD format as opposed to mpg, or avi or whatever. Anyway, I'm probably barking up the wrong tree here but I thought I'd throw it in just in case it could be helpful. DC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:26:07 +0100 (CET) From: "Adrian Gschwend" Subject: (klf) KLF Horn in a Goa Track Hi all, Not sure if anyone cares about that but I just heard the well known KLF-Horn in a Goa track called: Deviant Species - Geb the Cackler Goa is also a very good kind of music for those of you who don't know it yet :-) (at least IMHO) cu Adrian - -- Adrian Gschwend @ OS/2 Netlabs ICQ: 22419590 ktk@netlabs.org - ------- The OS/2 OpenSource Project: http://www.netlabs.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #511 *************************