From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) IMS Fuel Tank for KLR650 Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:51:36 +1000 Eric Dietiker wrote: > How safe are plastic gas tanks compared to steel? It seems to me that where > a steel tank would dent but still stay intact, a plastic tank would crack > and spill its contents. I worry about crashing and going up in flames. Fibreglass would break, but plastic tanks should be as good as anything else, depending on the plastic. There have been plenty of factory bikes that had plastic tanks (my old '81 Suzuki PE175Z for example) which didn't have a reputation for breaking or leaking. Besides, a scratched plastic tank is less likely to rust than a scratched steel tank. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 09:00:10 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904654810_boundary Content-ID: <0_904654810@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 8/31/98 11:12:02 PM EST, msfaul@digisys.net writes: << I checked out the inside of the tank at work today with a borescope and think I don`t want to mount a whole petcock on the tank. There is no reinforcements on that side of the tank as Eric was talking about. I think I would prefer to mount just a fitting there because it would be light and not require much strength. Then run the hose from the fitting and splice it into the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of the right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck air from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it then. Any other ideas ? Skip >> The only problem I see is: What if you need to remove the tank before it runs out of gas? I guess you could pinch the hose, but maybe a valve of some sort in the line? Just my $.02 worth MN Ron --part0_904654810_boundary Content-ID: <0_904654810@inet_out.mail.digisys.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:12:02 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id AAA28259; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zDhmD-0003mc-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:10:41 -0600 Received: from (digisys.net) [205.138.110.204] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zDhmA-0003lg-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:10:38 -0600 Received: from default (X2modem177.digisys.net [207.49.34.37]) by digisys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12796 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002401bdd55e$150da5e0$252231cf@default> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "skip faulkner" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >>>I like the idea of adding the 2nd petcock to get full use of the tank. >But >>>there's one thing..... I believe most all tanks have an addditional >bit >>>of steel plate welded inside or outside to allow enough threads for the >>>petcock to screw into. So I doubt there's enough meat on the opposite >>side >>>of the tank to tap threads into. Does anyone have a bright idea as to how >>>this might be done short of welding (ack!) the additional thickness ont= o >>the >>>tank? Skip? >>> >>>ericR > >> I like this idea, so I`m going to check on a new bonding adhesive >>being used on aircraft structures and a derivative of it is being used t= o >>repair commercial metal applications where welding is not practical or >>replacement is not possible. > >MSR makes some epoxy putty called Quiksteel that works for patching holes in >gas tanks, engine cases and all kinds of things. They say it is made wit= h >steel fibers and you are supposed to be able to tap, file, cut and grind = it >when it is set up. I have used it on patching up engines and it works >great. Sticks well and no leaks. I have never tried to tap a hole in it >though. Sells for $4.95. > >Fred Thanks Fred, that may be the kind of adhesive we`re looking for. I checked out the inside of the tank at work today with a borescope an= d think I don`t want to mount a whole petcock on the tank. There is no reinforcements on that side of the tank as Eric was talking about. I think= I would prefer to mount just a fitting there because it would be light and n= ot require much strength. Then run the hose from the fitting and splice it in= to the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of t= he right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck ai= r from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it then. Any other ideas ? Skip --part0_904654810_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: umclayto@cc.UManitoba.CA Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee to motorcycles. KLR650 questions. Date: 01 Sep 1998 09:13:42 -0500 (CDT) >1. how long can you ride before your arms get numb from vibration >2. how long can you ride before your butt gets sore >3. how long can you ride before your back gets uncomfortable >2. how noisy is it...(annoying, mild, quiet with a helmet..) >3. how low can i get the seat. i sat on one and toes barely touched the >ground. im 5'8.5". if i cant get my feet much closer to the ground i doubt >ill get it. >4. hows maintenance on the bike...need alot, or built well. Roger In the past two years, I've done road trips of 3500 and 4500 miles on my KLR650. When I first got the bike, I was VERY annoyed by the vibration, but I can honestly say I don't notice it any more. Go figure. I was worried because I previously owned [years ago] a Triumph Bonneville which nearly vibrated the fillings out of my teeth [sort of like the new Harley Heritage Softail I recently rode]. Same thing with the seat. At first I was looking around like crazy at Corbins, Travelcades, gel, moosehide, whatever. But on both of these trips, including multiple 600 mile days, the seat wasn't a big problem. The buffeting from the windshield is a bigger problem, but I wear good foam earplugs and I'm reasonably satisfied with the solution. Anyway, buffeting is hardly a problem unique to the KLR and it's easy to get a taller windshield. As for my back, I do suffer from back problems, but the KLR doesn't bother me at all. Maintenance is about average for the bikes I've owned, but the lack of a center stand makes chain cleaning and lubing difficult [although you can get an aftermarket stand which will help with this problem]. The bike has been very reliable. I have 18000Km on my 97 [13000 miles] with no mechanical problems whatsoever. Having said all this, I would buy the Tiger if I could afford it because I ride mostly on the pavement. But if you're even thinking for an instant of taking it offroad anywhere during your travels, then the KLR is a much better choice. And you'll love the big gas tank. good luck Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Date: 01 Sep 1998 08:27:23 -0600 Don't know much about monkey butt. I can tell you about 'baboon butt'. Just go to any BMW rally and look at the guy in the Aerostich suit. It used to be bright red when he bought it. It's now completely faded except in one conspicuous spot. Bogdan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 08:48:29 -0700 skip faulkner wrote: > >>>I like the idea of adding the 2nd petcock to get full use of the tank. > the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of the > right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you > would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. > The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck air > from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it > then. > Any other ideas ? > > Skip How about just a fitting on each side with a crossover tube. Then the stock petcock would work like it used to except that you would get to use ALL the gas in the tank. b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 08:59:29 -0700 List, I recently purchased 16T sprocket from Chris Products (local to me in Oregon) for $17.40. Shipping might add about $5. Seems well made, black finish, stamped numbers face out. Mike says they plan to keep it in stock. Stock # 440-16, ph # 503-614-8353 ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee again Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:04:55 +1000 roger kriegel wrote: [...] > by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible > to enjoy headphones on this bike. Depends more on your helmet than the bike. How your helmet handles the aerodynmics of the KLR seating position makes a difference too, ie a helmet that is quiet in a roadracer crouch might be a bit noisy in the sit-up-and-beg position of the KLR. I've used earphones in the past, but they were too noisy on a long trip as I had to turn the volume up to make them heard over the wind noise, so I ended up with loud music on top of loud wind noise. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee to motorcycles. KLR650 questions. Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:03:41 +1000 roger kriegel wrote: [KLR vs Tiger] The Tiger is just a road bike with extra ground clearance. The KLR is a true dual-purpose bike with better offroad ability. I've got a KLR600, but it should be similar enough to a 650 in use: > 1. how long can you ride before your arms get numb from vibration Doesn't happen. > 2. how long can you ride before your butt gets sore Depends on the weather, but generally about 8 hours. I've done a total of about 16 hours in one hit, and by then I was _very_ glad it was over. By the time my arse is getting numb, the tank (smaller than a 650's) needs a fill anyway. Very few stock bikes will keep you walking normally after a whole day's touring, and those are generally in the Gold Wing class. I guess my sorry old arse has moulded to the shape of the KLR seat, as I've done plenty of 12 hour rides and each one got easier. > 3. how long can you ride before your back gets uncomfortable Depends on headwinds, but there is a fair bit of space to move around and change position, so my back lasts ok. > 2. how noisy is it...(annoying, mild, quiet with a helmet..) I wear earplugs which reduce noise a lot. The windnoise drowns out my stock muffler on cruise. > 3. how low can i get the seat. i sat on one and toes barely touched the > ground. im 5'8.5". if i cant get my feet much closer to the ground i doubt > ill get it. Once the soft suspension beds in, just sitting on the bike should compress it enough to be comfortable. But lowering kits are available if really necessary. Soft suspension isn't a bad thing as it easily sorts out bad roads that would have your teeth rattling on a road bike. > 4. hows maintenance on the bike...need alot, or built well. As good as anything else in it's class. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee to motorcycles. KLR650 questions. Date: 01 Sep 1998 11:14:01 -0600 >1. how long can you ride before your arms get numb from vibration >2. how long can you ride before your butt gets sore >3. how long can you ride before your back gets uncomfortable The key to comfort is being able to switch positions. IMHO the Corbin is a huge improvement over the stock seat because of its much greater width. I run Driveline highway pegs and Moose aluminum handguards with a 7" Clearview with Stealth edging. With the pegs, I can put my feet forward, I can put my feet back on the passenger pegs, I can put one forward one back, etc. With the Corbin, I can sit way to the left way to the right, back or forward (I have the modified Corbin with no dip). Finally, last night I discovered that I can set the throttle on lock and put both hands on the aluminum handguards and get a forward lean much more like a Sport touring bike. This position brings me much closer to the Clearview and cuts the turbulence considerably. With all those choices and places to move it is not hard to stay comfortable. Ear plugs are a must mostly because of the wind noise. I also followed Skip's advice (I think) and raised my tubes in the triple clamps a 1/2" strong, it feels like the front end is much more solid at speed. Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) diffs between KLX and KLR Date: 01 Sep 1998 11:18:43 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Hi > >I'm looking to buy a 650 DP bike, used if possible (financial reasons). > You might consider a DR 350SE, great bike and have been electric start since '94. More dirtworthy than a KLR but still roadable... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 11:28:42 -0600 > I recently purchased 16T sprocket from Chris Products (local to me in >Oregon) for $17.40. Shipping might add about $5. > > Seems well made, black finish, stamped numbers face out. > > Mike says they plan to keep it in stock. Stock # 440-16, ph # >503-614-8353 > >ericR The sprocket I ordered from PBI came COD from Chris Products, are they related? Someone commented last week that the 400 or so RPM difference between the stock 15 countershaft sprocket and the 16 didn't seem like it was worth the difference. I've been thinking of the right way of pointing out that there is, IMO a considerable difference. Here is what I've come up with after my ride last night. Between 45-60 MPH, with the 15 T I frequently found myself dabbing to see if I was in fifth...usually I was. With the 16 T I find myself dabbing to see if I am in fifth...I almost always am not...Big difference, never find myself wishing for a sixth. Kurt A1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob KLR" Subject: RE: (klr650) newbee to motorcycles. KLR650 questions. Date: 01 Sep 1998 10:38:48 -0700 > 1. how long can you ride before your arms get numb from vibration My arms never get numb but my hands certainly tingle after an hour or two, this isn't a feature of the KLR I think, it even happens on my Honda ST1100 (V4). > 2. how long can you ride before your butt gets sore As a new rider I doubt that you will be able to ride very long at all, an hour maybe on a new KLR. As you ride more you get toughened up and break in the seats (yours and its) I just got a 1998 KLR to replace my 1992 and the seat seems to be much harder though maybe it's just new. > 3. how long can you ride before your back gets uncomfortable No problem, you can move around a lot on the KLR and the upright position is great, then again I don't have problems on my Hurricane 600 (crotch rocket) - I'm 42 and physically over the hill so you shouldn't have a problem. > 2. how noisy is it...(annoying, mild, quiet with a helmet..) The bike itself is not noisy - there is a certain amount of mechanical noise from the engine, more than most multi cylinder bikes but the exhaust is quiet. As with most bikes the majority of the noise comes from the wind, you can hide behind a big fairing if you really want to but that restricts the off road adventures somewhat (at least they would be more expensive 8-) > 3. how low can i get the seat. i sat on one and toes barely touched the > ground. im 5'8.5". if i cant get my feet much closer to the ground i doubt > ill get it. Can't answer specifically (6'0") but there seem to be lots of lowering kits. > 4. hows maintenance on the bike...need alot, or built well. Low maintenance but uses more oil than any other model I've owned (9 others). As a newbee you should take an MSF course as soon as possible, helps get your license in many states too. Bob Palin CBR600, ST1100, KLR650, 275,000 miles and counting... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) diffs between KLX and KLR Date: 01 Sep 1998 13:55:35 -0400 If you can find a KLX it is definitely worth checking out. The KLX sounds like the bike you are looking for. It has a very beefy upside down front shock, which works great. The engine looks the same but I don't think any of the parts are interchangeable. It is missing a balancing shaft the KLR has, so it is not as smooth but it revs faster and has more power. The KLX has a smaller gas tank, harder seat, and no front fairing. These are pluses or minuses depending if you do more on or off-road. The bike is great off road and I have done 400 mile days on it. The seat is very narrow so I have a inflatable seat pad from Therm-a-rest which works great. The range is only 125 miles so my butt is fine going tank to tank. After market parts are not the easiest to find for this bike but there are not a lot of upgrades needed. You can get parts off a KLX650R, which is the offroad only version, if you find one. James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Jones [SMTP:tony@rtd.com] > > I'm looking to buy a 650 DP bike, used if possible (financial > reasons). > > 1. Can anyone give me a _detailed_ set of differences (equipment, > street > focus, dirt focus etc) between the KLR and the now discontinued > KLX650. > > Many thanks in advance > > Tony (tony@rtd.com) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee to motorcycles. KLR650 questions. Date: 01 Sep 1998 12:28:36 -0600 roger kriegel wrote: This is for a 5foot 11 weasel in a Shoei 700: > > 1. how long can you ride before your arms get numb from vibration - On cold days, about 10 minutes, unless I'm wearing hippo hands. Otherwise depends upon engine speed and vibration. Oh, and the amount of death-grip required for bad traffic maneuvering or nasty off-pavement. > 2. how long can you ride before your butt gets sore The first day of a long ride is typically the hardest, and butt soreness sets in at about 4- 6 hours for me. On subsequent days, depending upon weather, it takes longer. I happen to like the stock seat. > 3. how long can you ride before your back gets uncomfortable Depends upon road conditions and weather (esp wind). Figure about 4-6 hours on first day, when everything else is starting to hurt. > 2. how noisy is it...(annoying, mild, quiet with a helmet..) A radar detector speaker plug in one ear, an ear plug in the other... works wonders. The stock KLR isn't unbearably noisy. FWIW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David M. King Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents Date: 01 Sep 1998 13:08:57 -0500 Bob wrote: > Bob Palin > CBR600, ST1100, KLR650, 275,000 miles and counting... Just out of curiosity, have you had any major accidents in that 275,000 miles? David M. King ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) IMS Fuel Tank for KLR650 Date: 01 Sep 1998 16:15:13 EDT Eric, With the new plastics the we have, the tank could be stronger with plastic than with the steel. It depends on the type of plastic and thickness more than anything else. For instance, bullet proof "glass" is made of polycarbonate (I think that's the right spelling). Your tank is not bullet proof!! Alex On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:20:50 +0100 "Eric Dietiker" writes: >How safe are plastic gas tanks compared to steel? It seems to me that >where >a steel tank would dent but still stay intact, a plastic tank would >crack >and spill its contents. I worry about crashing and going up in flames. > >Eric. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 16:44:52 EDT On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:28:42 -0600 "Kurt Simpson" writes: >Between 45-60 MPH, with the 15 T I frequently found myself dabbing to >see if I >was in fifth...usually I was. With the 16 T I find myself dabbing to >see if I am >in fifth...I almost always am not...Big difference, never find myself >wishing >for a sixth. What is the reason for changing the front sprocket and not the rear sprocket? The email last week said that there was very little clearance for the increased diameter of the countershaft sprocket, so based on that information and none other, I would try changing the rear sprocket first. Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Heidenreich Subject: (klr650) lowering kits and centerstands Date: 01 Sep 1998 14:19:58 -0700 I am considering the purchase of a KLR650 and I am interested in the lowering kits mentioned in the recent posts. The Kawasaki dealer said it is possible to raise the fork tubes in the triple clanps to lower the front but did not know of any kits or shock mods to lower the rear. I would like to lower the bike 3 in. if possible. Also are there any centerstands available that can be modified to go along with the lowered bike. Thanks in advance. 88 Hawk Gt 92 Suzuki VX800 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 14:25:30 -0700 -----Original Message----- Big difference, never find myself >>wishing >>for a sixth. <<<<<<<<<<< from Kurt > >What is the reason for changing the front sprocket and not the rear >sprocket? The email last week said that there was very little clearance >for the increased diameter of the countershaft sprocket, so based on that >information and none other, I would try changing the rear sprocket >first. > >Alex > >_____________________________________________________________________ Alex, A friend of mine recently pointed out there's good 'sprocket tech' reasons to do the smaller sprocket first. Practical reasons are the simple setup and cost. I almost didn't try the front as it looked like there wouldn't be enough clearance, but one of us did it and assured me about the clearances. In his case the chain almost touches the cover at the front, in my case it juuust barely touches, so I'm not worried. You need to remove a bit at the back bottom of the cover (there's a lip there) and rear wheel moves forward about 3/8". ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 15:48:56 -0600 -----Original Message----- > >On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:28:42 -0600 "Kurt Simpson" >writes: >>Between 45-60 MPH, with the 15 T I frequently found myself dabbing to >>see if I >>was in fifth...usually I was. With the 16 T I find myself dabbing to >>see if I am >>in fifth...I almost always am not...Big difference, never find myself >>wishing >>for a sixth. > >What is the reason for changing the front sprocket and not the rear >sprocket? The email last week said that there was very little clearance >for the increased diameter of the countershaft sprocket, so based on that >information and none other, I would try changing the rear sprocket >first. > >Alex First of all it is easier to change the front sprocket over the rear sprocket and it costs less. You ususally don't have to add or take out chain links when you change the front sprocket. When ever you make a sprocket larger (more teeth=larger diameter) your chain and sprockets will last a little longer because the chain is bending less. Maybe even a little less horsepower lost too (very little maybe no difference) Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents Date: 01 Sep 1998 15:02:24 -0700 (MST) >Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents > >Bob wrote: > >> Bob Palin >> CBR600, ST1100, KLR650, 275,000 miles and counting... > >Just out of curiosity, have you had any major accidents >in that 275,000 miles? Come on Bob, tell us about the Battlestar, oops that wasn't you was it :-) So, I've come to the conclusion that I'll be getting a KLR, though likely a used one. So will my wife since it sounds like it's lowerable. Like the idea of common supply of parts. Main reason is that I've always wanted a Russel daylong saddle. OK, maybe it isn't the main reason, but it looks *cool* IMHO. Did like the colo[u]r of Bobs 98 (at the Gather). Has anyone dealt with Burbank Kawi near LA ? There web page states $4199 for a 98 KLR. Wonder what hidden charges there will be. I wonder if I could get a 49 state out of them, since I'd be flying in from OR. Would be a cool break in ride on the way home, plus I could stop off at Russell for the personalised attention to my tush ;-) Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob KLR" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents Date: 01 Sep 1998 15:08:46 -0700 Ok OK, I'm on my way out of the office right now for a couple of days but when I get back I'll relate the Battlestar story and some KLR incidents - I'm going to put the full descriptions on my web site (with pictures where available) There is someone on the list who ordered a bike from the Burbank store and hasn't had anything good to say about them yet, poor service and communication mainly. Bob "Battlestar" Palin -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tony Jones Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 3:02 PM >Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents > >Bob wrote: > >> Bob Palin >> CBR600, ST1100, KLR650, 275,000 miles and counting... > >Just out of curiosity, have you had any major accidents >in that 275,000 miles? Come on Bob, tell us about the Battlestar, oops that wasn't you was it :-) So, I've come to the conclusion that I'll be getting a KLR, though likely a used one. So will my wife since it sounds like it's lowerable. Like the idea of common supply of parts. Main reason is that I've always wanted a Russel daylong saddle. OK, maybe it isn't the main reason, but it looks *cool* IMHO. Did like the colo[u]r of Bobs 98 (at the Gather). Has anyone dealt with Burbank Kawi near LA ? There web page states $4199 for a 98 KLR. Wonder what hidden charges there will be. I wonder if I could get a 49 state out of them, since I'd be flying in from OR. Would be a cool break in ride on the way home, plus I could stop off at Russell for the personalised attention to my tush ;-) Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) RE: klr650 vs. KLX650 Date: 01 Sep 1998 17:23:32 -0600 Having been a fan of both bikes here is the major differences between the bikes: KLR KLX 1. Tank Size 6.0 Gal 3.2 Gal 2. Wheel Travel 9.0 11.5 inches 3. Frame Tublar Perimeter 4. Front forks 39 or 41mm 43 mm 5. Engine old updated (but not popular with aftermarkets) 6. Seat Wide Very narrow 7. Center stand Optional NA. I came very close to buying a KLR, but went with the KLX. It was a bit more updated and it handles dirt better. The down side is the seat kills you after about 1 hour. The bikes basically weigh the same, but the KLX feels like a 250 compared to the KLR (Quote from Gino). The seat height is lower on the KLX. I sit flat footed on the KLX and tippy toe on the KLR. Engine power is about dead even. Both are 4 valve, overhead cams with shim adjustments. Competing bikes with the KLR are the DR650 and bmw F650. Competing bikes with the KLX are XR650, and KTMs. KLRs are excellent bikes ... so are DR650s. I think DR650s are a bit more mainstream compared to the Kawasakis. I have found hopping up a KLX to be a nightmare... Now my bike only startes with either. It sucks to be stupid!! Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy '95 KLX250/321 - Just call me yellow britches '95 K1100RS - Mileage monster '92 TDM850 - Dual Sport of course ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: klr650 vs. KLX650 Date: 01 Sep 1998 18:48:32 -0500 KLR vs. KLX My two bits..... I have both a 93 KLX650C and a 98 KLR650. The dry weight listed in the manuals are: KLR 338 pounds, KLX 337 pounds. And I think that the guy who designed the KLX seat should be forced to ride one for a week straight...all day every day until he cry's uncle and swears never to put a seat like that on another motorcycle.. I've rode the KLX into places that most people didn't want to go. Had it stuck in the stinkiest mud I've ever smelled. But it always started and ran great in 95+ degrees in Arkansas and the weight didn't seem to be a problem (except when it's stuck in really smelly mud) And the extra counter balancer in the KLR really makes a difference for droning down the highway. Both machines are winners for reliability.. > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) KLR Iron Butt'er! Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:42:24 -0000 I'm poking around the Iron Butt web pages, when, I see a KLR listed, several times! Is there a Peter Dean in our midst? The guy pulled 1500 miles in a day, 1000 miles in a day, etc.. I'm reaching here, but my guess is he had an aftermarket seat! http://www.ironbutt.com/ssbbfin.htm Any more of that Max Biaggi footage? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Iron Butt'er! Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:05:50 -0500 Yup, Peter is on the list. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: > I'm poking around the Iron Butt web pages, when, I see a KLR listed, several > times! Is there a Peter Dean in our midst? The guy pulled 1500 miles in a > day, 1000 miles in a day, etc.. I'm reaching here, but my guess is he had > an aftermarket seat! > > http://www.ironbutt.com/ssbbfin.htm > > Any more of that Max Biaggi footage? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) Subject: (klr650) newbee again Date: 01 Sep 1998 19:18:27 -0600 first, thanks for the info from everyone. got some great info to clarify my intentions with a bike....i plan to use bike to commute around town and whenever possible take motorcycle all over america to visit friends and go camping, buy two side saddlebags, strap tent and cot across that, and put otherstuff in my hiking backpack which would strap to my back...so most of my riding will be on pavement...im not one for dirt biking...not yet anyway...but i do want a bike i can take down country dirt roads, national park roads, and will handle minor rough terrain has anyone rode with a hiking backpack strapped to their back...if so how was it my hope is that i can ride from austin, texas to orlando or LA in a day if need be (which i can do in a car)...guess it depends on how tough i am...thats why the vibration issue is big deal for me...i know going from a truck to a bike will require me to give up some comforts but im trying to keep my favorites....listening to music and smooth ride as i mentioned before ive narrowed bikes of choice to KLR650 and Triumph tiger...and have read a bunch of info on both and know triumph is a smoother ride, but if KLR650 is smooth enough or can add on to it to make it smoother without spending a ton of money, then its a great deal ..need to test ride a KLR650 but a triumph dealer gave me the impression most bike shops in town dont let you test ride bikes, but triumph dealer will let me test ride his 96 tiger when i get my cycle license. do they make helmets with built in headphones and earphone plug...id consider buying a SPH military crash helmet since it has this but its uncompfortable to wear for long periods (i was a copiliot in helicopters for army so am use to earplugs, and loud noise) i am taking a motorcycle safety class in a few weeks, then take written test and hopefully ill have decided on bike by then...i could get a triumph but would take me a year or two to pay it off but could pay for KLR in half a year or so....and considering this would be my first bike im not sure i should spend 10k on a nice bike....but if its gonna make the experience more comfortable it might be worth it. i do like that there is a bunch of KLR650 info and newsgroup that you can ask any questions and get answers...havent found anything like this on triumph yet...except private clubs you have to pay. for those who have owned or ridden a triumph tiger....it has a 6 gal tank too but i cant find any info on how many miles per gallon it gets and triumph hasnt responded to my requests for this info....so if ya know please tell me. thanks Roger the Artful Dodger hm (512) 416-9997 wk (512) 444-0716 rkk@mail.utexas.edu 2809 west william cannon dr#d101 Austin, TX 78745 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee again Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:20:03 -0500 roger kriegel wrote: > i do like that there is a bunch of KLR650 info and newsgroup that you can > ask any questions and get answers...havent found anything like this on > triumph yet...except private clubs you have to pay. This is a decent list I've been following for about a year: triumph@magpie.com -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:10:40 -0600 > ><< I checked out the inside of the tank at work today with a borescope and > think I don`t want to mount a whole petcock on the tank. There is no > reinforcements on that side of the tank as Eric was talking about. I think I > would prefer to mount just a fitting there because it would be light and not > require much strength. Then run the hose from the fitting and splice it into > the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of the > right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you > would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. > The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck air > from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it > then. > Any other ideas ? > > Skip > >> > >The only problem I see is: What if you need to remove the tank before it runs >out of gas? I guess you could pinch the hose, but maybe a valve of some sort >in the line? Just my $.02 worth > >MN Ron > Ron, The idea is to use an inline valve so I could feed off of whichever side I want without drawing air from the empty side. Fred says he has just the valve to work. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:27:21 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Ron, > The idea is to use an inline valve so I could feed off of whichever side I >want without drawing air from the empty side. Fred says he has just the >valve to work. > > Skip Skip, The inline valve uses a 1/4" fuel line. That should be big enough for the cross-over line. Fred (wondering what ever happened to all the funny little things in parenthesis here?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:29:28 -0600 > How about just a fitting on each side with a crossover tube. Then the stock >petcock would work like it used to except that you would get to use ALL the gas >in the tank. >b Chris, I am going to run a tube from the right fitting to the supply line just below the petcock with an inline valve. If I just tap into the supply line with no valve, I might run into the problem of drawing air from the empty side, plus as was mentioned, I would be able to remove the tank without fuel spillage by closing the right side valve. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) diffs between KLX and KLR Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:42:03 -0600 > >Was this based on the 96-98 DR, or earlier models ? Just curious. >Tony Tony, That was based on 1996 and 1997 models. I actually like the looks of a 1992 that I was looking at for my wife, it had a tank fairing on it. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T Sprocket Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:14:03 -0600 >> I recently purchased 16T sprocket from Chris Products (local to me in >>Oregon) for $17.40. Shipping might add about $5. >> >> Seems well made, black finish, stamped numbers face out. >> >> Mike says they plan to keep it in stock. Stock # 440-16, ph # >>503-614-8353 >> >>ericR > > >The sprocket I ordered from PBI came COD from Chris Products, are they related? >Kurt A1 Kurt, You and Eric may have the same sprockets. I have talked to him about his. Do think the one you have is modifiable to fit the A9 (1995) ? Mine mounts with a cap plate and two bolts. Fred, do you know? Skip (maybe I should check with George Jetson) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents Date: 02 Sep 1998 00:18:56 -0400 Burbank Kawasaki. I'll try to be brief. After threatening them with litigation, I received my bike which arrived this past Friday. It was in mostly good condition so I won't whine about a few minor things. However, the joke is on me now, because there is no paperwork such as certificate of origin or title. In the state of Michigan, a motorcycle does not leave the driveway without it. I was shocked that state of California who is so persnickity with vehicles did not mandate paperwork like that be in order when the bike is exported, but I'm learning. So, after talking with Burbank Kawa and no telling if the paperwork is submitted or ever will be, I started to try and get other parties to help me. These include the Bank which has a lien on the bike (they spoke to Burbank Kawa and relayed to me that I should not hold my breath for my paperwork in their opinion), City of Burbank Chamber of Commerce, and the California department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Burbank city prosecutors office recommended that I call the police and get them involved? Not sure what the crime would be: Holding a title hostage? Anyway, the DMV is sending a complaint form which will require an investigator to visit Burbank and gain understanding on what is going on with them. I just want the title so I can put this tragedy behind me... The bike had the usual loose nuts (the rear shock linkage monster nuts) and loose handlebars, but forks were set up right, all fluids appear to be good and I have 300 miles on it now (how do you do that with no plates :) I broke the left rear blinker already in one of the two times I laid it down on the trails( for you guys that want horror stories of damage it was $47.00) since that is the only place I can safely ride without risking my bike being impounded because it has no plates or title. As a private citizen out of state, I can tell you there is not much recourse you have with a dealer that is acting like a Bozo. So Bob, you're right. I should have bought the bike hear from a local dealer. But, now I have a nice quiet California muffler with all kinds of extra emmissions gizmos to play with that I would have otherwise missed out on. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bob KLR > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 6:09 PM > To: 'KLR650 list' > Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents > > > Ok OK, I'm on my way out of the office right now for a couple of days but > when I get back I'll relate the Battlestar story and some KLR incidents - > I'm going to put the full descriptions on my web site (with pictures where > available) > > There is someone on the list who ordered a bike from the Burbank store and > hasn't had anything good to say about them yet, poor service and > communication mainly. > > Bob "Battlestar" Palin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tony Jones > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 3:02 PM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents > > > >Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR accidents > > > >Bob wrote: > > > >> Bob Palin > >> CBR600, ST1100, KLR650, 275,000 miles and counting... > > > >Just out of curiosity, have you had any major accidents > >in that 275,000 miles? > > Come on Bob, tell us about the Battlestar, oops that wasn't you > was it :-) > > So, I've come to the conclusion that I'll be getting a KLR, > though likely a used one. So will my wife since it sounds like it's > lowerable. Like the idea of common supply of parts. > > Main reason is that I've always wanted a Russel daylong saddle. > OK, maybe it isn't the main reason, but it looks *cool* IMHO. > > Did like the colo[u]r of Bobs 98 (at the Gather). > > Has anyone dealt with Burbank Kawi near LA ? There web page states > $4199 for a 98 KLR. Wonder what hidden charges there will be. > > I wonder if I could get a 49 state out of them, since I'd be > flying in from OR. Would be a cool break in ride on the way home, > plus I could stop off at Russell for the personalised attention to > my tush ;-) > > Tony > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:26:57 -0600 >Skip, > >The inline valve uses a 1/4" fuel line. That should be big enough for the >cross-over line. > >Fred (wondering what ever happened to all the funny little things in >parenthesis here?) Fred, Sorry to have deprived you. I`ve been working from 6 to 9 or 10 most nights for the past month and do well just to be able to put together a cohesive sentence. We`re having a little bit of an Indian Summer here (30`s to 40`s at night with 80`s and even 90`s at day) and everybody is rushing to get in some last summer trips and want their planes repaired yesterday. I`ll make up for it. Skip ( who`s starting to mix KLR`s and planes in his sleep) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KLR650@webtv.net (Conall O'Brien) Subject: (klr650) New '98 KLR650 for $4099 Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Saw an ad today with the latest price at Hayward Kawasaki Hayward Ca. Conall -KLR650 A4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vesannlewis@juno.com Subject: (klr650) Power of Suggestion Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:57:00 -0700 I think I'll quit this list. (just joking) The power of suggestion is rampant here. I've been reading about all the headlight fuses blowing...I even made a note of it for my next few minutes of spare time (next March, I think). So, today mine blew but I noticed it in the daylight, continued my ride, and installed an auto-type blade fuse instead. Ha. Hey, if all you guys get the petcock/transfer line problem worked out, I'm sure Gino will print the instructions, pictures or drawings, etc. for the rest of us dunderheads to follow in our spare time (yup, next March). Keep working on it. -Ves A12 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) New '98 KLR650 for $4099 Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:27:26 -0700 -----Original Message----- Saw an ad today with the latest price at Hayward Kawasaki Hayward Ca. Conall -KLR650 A4 ****************************** long model run, strong dollar.....good combination ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #214 Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:29:33 -0700 > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:18:27 -0600 > From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > Subject: (klr650) newbee again > > as i mentioned before ive narrowed bikes of choice to KLR650 and Triumph > tiger...and have read a bunch of info on both and know triumph is a > i am taking a motorcycle safety class in a few weeks, then take written > test and hopefully ill have decided on bike by then...i could get a triumph > but would take me a year or two to pay it off but could pay for KLR in half > a year or so....and considering this would be my first bike im not sure i > should spend 10k on a nice bike....but if its gonna make the experience > more comfortable it might be worth it. Is this going to be your 1st bike ? I know some folks take the basic MSF after having ridden for a few years. If it is, there is _NO_ way I'd recommend you buy anything but a used bike. A cheap used bike at that. I guess a cheap used KLR would work fine, but something lighter would be better. Expect to drop whatever you get and do 1001 other boneheaded things to it. If it is your 1st bike, that pretty much rules out a new Triumph IMHO. If you have money to blow, send it to: Tony Jones, c/o .... Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #214 Date: 01 Sep 1998 22:36:45 -0700 [forgot to reply to the rest ...] > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:18:27 -0600 > From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > Subject: (klr650) newbee again > has anyone rode with a hiking backpack strapped to their back...if so how > was it I'd recommend strongly against this. If you have something sharp in the pack and you go down on your back, you are going to be in serious trouble. DO NOT DO THIS! > my hope is that i can ride from austin, texas to orlando or LA in a day if > need be (which i can do in a car) I think this is a bit optimistic, unless I'm mistaken and you have been riding for a long time. Wind on your chest will tire you like nothing you have experienced in a cage. I've been riding for 6 years and this would be a freaking long trip for me. > to test ride a KLR650 but a triumph dealer gave me the impression most bike > shops in town dont let you test ride bikes, but triumph dealer will let me > test ride his 96 tiger when i get my cycle license. If you are an experienced rider, you'll get a test ride, but you are normally limited to around 6-10 miles, so it's not that much use. If you are an experienced rider and can prove it, a fellow owner of the bike in your area may give you the chance for a longer ride, proving you agree to their terms in case you crash. > do they make helmets with built in headphones and earphone plug...id > consider buying a SPH military crash helmet since it has this but its > uncompfortable to wear for long periods (i was a copiliot in helicopters > for army so am use to earplugs, and loud noise) Err, you need a DOT approved helmet. Ideally Snell as well. Don't skimp on the helmet, but don't go overboard, as you are going to drop it etc. You really should replace every 5 years. An RF700 would be a good choice. In theory, the police can ticket you if your lid does not have the DOT sticker. In theory. I think you need to seriously revist your expectations here. No offence. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 02 Sep 1998 03:03:32 -0400 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chris Beasley Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:48 AM Cc: KLR650 Page skip faulkner wrote: > >>>I like the idea of adding the 2nd petcock to get full use of the tank. > the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of the > right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you > would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. > The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck air > from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it > then. > Any other ideas ? > > Skip How about just a fitting on each side with a crossover tube. Then the stock petcock would work like it used to except that you would get to use ALL the gas in the tank. b Would you not still have the possibility of sucking air? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: Petcock: installation Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:18:50 -0500 (CDT) > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:07:45 -0600 > From: "skip faulkner" > would prefer to mount just a fitting there because it would be light and not > require much strength. Then run the hose from the fitting and splice it into > the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of the > right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you > would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. > The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck air > from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it > then. I would just have a simple balance tube connecting both sides of the tank independent of the stock petcock. This has been done on several stock bikes over the years. THis way the petcock will work the same as before but you'll have a larger reserve and it will use all (or nearly all) the gas in the tank. The only down side I see is that it's a PITA to remove the tank unless you add a couple of valves in the balance tube and you would have to install two fittings. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: (klr650) Thumper rally Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:05:51 -0600 Anybody going to the Thumper Rally in Red River, NM next week? Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: omegacolor@sssnet.com Subject: (klr650) Fuel Useage (What ever happened to the Super-Secret Reserve?) Date: 02 Sep 1998 09:36:20 -0700 I'm gathering from the miriad of recent tank mod posts that most of us no longer want to tip the bike over to access the "super-secret reserve" (Myself included) MY question is... By the "tip" method of fuel utilization, can one get ALL of the gas out? I was under the impression this procedure would drain out the right side completely... Comments? (BTW Tom, that D.I.D. chain is most excellent - thanks for the tip) Scott W. A3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEVCO1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Strange Vibrations Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:40:56 EDT After a full service, my KLR immediately had a pulsing, rythmic vibration that was most evident in the fairing and bars. During the service, we noticed some small metal particles in the oil filter and that the cam chain tensioner was worn. We then replaced the cam chain tensioner, tires, chain and both spockets as they were due. Also checked the steering head bearings and they are fine. Still the pulsing vibration remains, but the engine is a lot quieter. The engine has about 22,000 on it and I had the top end rebuilt at 13,000. As it turned out the rebuild was quite premature as the problem turned out to be a collapsed muffler which prevented the engine from exceeding 4,000 rpm. We feel the new vibration has something to do with the balancer mechanism. Note, doing the tension adjustment does not help. However, it has been done both with the engine off and at idle. Any and all advice, comments and I am sure some teasing will be greatly appreciated before I commence with the exploratory surgery. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Bill 1989 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re:(NKLR) newbee again Date: 02 Sep 1998 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Roger Dodger wrote; Check this site for a source for helmet audio systems: http://www.jmcorp.com There may be others. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 02 Sep 1998 09:00:15 -0700 You won't 'draw' air from the empty side. The fuel system is gravity fed. b skip faulkner wrote: > > > ><< I checked out the inside of the tank at work today with a borescope > and > > think I don`t want to mount a whole petcock on the tank. There is no > > reinforcements on that side of the tank as Eric was talking about. I think > I > > would prefer to mount just a fitting there because it would be light and > not > > require much strength. Then run the hose from the fitting and splice it > into > > the supply line just below the stock petcock. You would then feed off of > the > > right side first with the main petcock turned off. When it ran out, you > > would turn the main tank on till you had to switch to reserve. > > The only problem with this scenario is if the system will try to suck > air > > from the right side when it is empty. If it does, I`ll place a valve on it > > then. > > Any other ideas ? > > > > Skip > > >> > > > >The only problem I see is: What if you need to remove the tank before it > runs > >out of gas? I guess you could pinch the hose, but maybe a valve of some > sort > >in the line? Just my $.02 worth > > > >MN Ron > > > > Ron, > The idea is to use an inline valve so I could feed off of whichever side I > want without drawing air from the empty side. Fred says he has just the > valve to work. > > Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: (klr650) Height of new windscreen Date: 02 Sep 1998 12:32:05 -0400 All: What size Clearview windscreen should I buy to move airflow above my head? I'm 6 feet tall, and the factory windshield seems to direct air to my nose and above at highway speeds. Also, does the taller windscreen interfere with visibility while it rains? I wear a full face shield. TIA... Stuart 1998 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) lowering kits and centerstands Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:03:43 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I am considering the purchase of a KLR650 and I am interested in the >lowering kits mentioned in the recent posts. The Kawasaki dealer said >it is possible to raise the fork tubes in the triple clanps to lower the >front but did not know of any kits or shock mods to lower the rear. >I would like to lower the bike 3 in. if possible. Also are there any >centerstands available that can be modified to go along with the lowered >bike. > >Thanks in advance. > >88 Hawk Gt >92 Suzuki VX800 The lowering link is available from Quality Engine R&D 334-693-9203. You will also need to cut down your side stand about an 1 inch or buy a shortened one from Dual Star 800-GO-N-RIDE. Dual Star also makes shorthened center stands for the lowered KLR. The lowering kit wil lower the KLR about 1.5 inches. Dual Star also supplies the Quality lowering links so you could order the entire setup from MIke... Kurt A12 BTW, there are several current and former Hawk owners on the list. Let's see an '88 that means it has a passing gear... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee again Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:05:57 -0600 >has anyone rode with a hiking backpack strapped to their back...if so how >was it This is unnecessary on the KLR considering the vast number of choices we have for soft and hard bags fwd, tank, and aft. It will cause terrible strain on your shoulders for any distance. For commuting the very best is the bike used by bicycle couriers...the Timbuk2 (www.timbuk2.com) in San Francisco. I just bought one for my daughter, they are outstanding.... Kurt A12 > >my hope is that i can ride from austin, texas to orlando or LA in a day if >need be (which i can do in a car)...guess it depends on how tough i >am...thats why the vibration issue is big deal for me...i know going from a >truck to a bike will require me to give up some comforts but im trying to >keep my favorites....listening to music and smooth ride > >as i mentioned before ive narrowed bikes of choice to KLR650 and Triumph >tiger...and have read a bunch of info on both and know triumph is a >smoother ride, but if KLR650 is smooth enough or can add on to it to make >it smoother without spending a ton of money, then its a great deal ..need >to test ride a KLR650 but a triumph dealer gave me the impression most bike >shops in town dont let you test ride bikes, but triumph dealer will let me >test ride his 96 tiger when i get my cycle license. > >do they make helmets with built in headphones and earphone plug...id >consider buying a SPH military crash helmet since it has this but its >uncompfortable to wear for long periods (i was a copiliot in helicopters >for army so am use to earplugs, and loud noise) > >i am taking a motorcycle safety class in a few weeks, then take written >test and hopefully ill have decided on bike by then...i could get a triumph >but would take me a year or two to pay it off but could pay for KLR in half >a year or so....and considering this would be my first bike im not sure i >should spend 10k on a nice bike....but if its gonna make the experience >more comfortable it might be worth it. > >i do like that there is a bunch of KLR650 info and newsgroup that you can >ask any questions and get answers...havent found anything like this on >triumph yet...except private clubs you have to pay. > >for those who have owned or ridden a triumph tiger....it has a 6 gal tank >too but i cant find any info on how many miles per gallon it gets and >triumph hasnt responded to my requests for this info....so if ya know >please tell me. > >thanks > >Roger the Artful Dodger >hm (512) 416-9997 >wk (512) 444-0716 >rkk@mail.utexas.edu >2809 west william cannon dr#d101 >Austin, TX 78745 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Iron Butt'er! Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:58:16 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I'm poking around the Iron Butt web pages, when, I see a KLR listed, several >times! Is there a Peter Dean in our midst? The guy pulled 1500 miles in a >day, 1000 miles in a day, etc.. I'm reaching here, but my guess is he had >an aftermarket seat! Peter is on the list as is Jim Barthell. You'll find Jim's name mentioned as well. Alex Jomarron from Chicago is also a long distance biker but has beeen using his K75 to this point. Jim and Peter use Corbin's. Alex is going to get a Corbin next year. Kurt A12 Here is one of Pete's earlier posts from the archives: I'm going to post responses to a few items here, long distance riding seats dead batteries speedo failure other KLR abuses There was a question posted a while back about what kind of seat I had when I did those BunBurner and SaddleSore rides; a Corbin. I got it four years ago. It must have been the pre-dip days because mine doesn't have one. Its kind of hard, not at all cushy, but provides a wide flat surface that supports my 210 pounds over a wide area and allows me to scoot about and sit in different positions. I think the ability to change positions is the key to my long distance endurance. If I was on a seat that saddled me to one spot my butt might survive but the rest of my body would suffer. Last fall I tried to do a BunBurner Gold (1500 miles in 24 hours) and got stranded in the middle of South Dakota with a dead battery. It turned out to be my fault. There was a short in the wiring I had added for an accessory. It took me an hour to get restarted. I tried replacing fuses and bump starting. Finally I used a battery charger at the gas station where I was stuck. Once the bike was running, with a totally dead battery, it ticked over without a stumble or a surge. It idled fine while I put the pieces back on the bike and also at the two gas stops I made getting home. Don't forget to bring your spare key. It allowed me to keep the engine running at the gas stops. Except for very dim lights the bike was running perfectly. One week before my first long distance rally my speedo stopped working. I was in a panic. Local shops would have to special order it. Bike salvage yards in the area had never seen a KLR (guess they never break). Then I asked myself what was the last thing I had done to the bike; mounted a new front tire. I took the front tire off and found two mistakes. I had misaligned the spedo drive unit so it was at the wrong angle (something that would have caused the cable to break eventually), and I had misaligned the wheel hub, bending back the speedo drive tabs. They had been grabbing just enough to work for a few days after I changed the tire, but started slipping after that. I bent the tabs back, aligned averything correctly, and it has been working fine ever since. To demonstrate the resilience of the KLR, here are a couple more abuses my bike has survived. After returning from a 5400 mile trip I decided to check the valve clearance and found ZERO clearnace. Prior to that a local shop had done all the work on my bike (the local shop was in Florida at that time). I decided that I couldn't do any worse, so I have done all the work since. During my second SaddleSore ride my bike was making a lot of noise at the 200 mile point. I found both nuts had vibrated off the exhaust flange and it was just hanging there loose on the angle of the pipe. It was 2 AM Sunday morning, no 24 hour hardware stores in sight, so I kept on riding. At the 700 mile point I found a hardware store open and snugged up the flange with some new nuts, but the gasket was long gone and it started backfiring and running really ragged. 400 miles later I was home again. After installing a new gasket the bike has been running fine. By the way, when nothing vibrates off, my engine and exhaust are stock. Pete Dean Minnetoanka MN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Strange Vibrations Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:30:16 -0400 If I remember right there is a procedure where you align some punch marks on the gears of the balancer mechanism before the chain goes back on. Did the dealer take this off? Maybe you should check that it lines up... if the balancer isnt exactly 180 degrees opposite of the piston you will get some extra vibration. Its also possible that somehow the chain got loose and skipped over some teeth.. happened on my camchain once. Make sure the camchain tensioner is not too tight.. and especially dont turn it once its in or tighten it down if its extented. Good luck :) > After a full service, my KLR immediately had a pulsing, rythmic vibration > that > was most evident in the fairing and bars. During the service, we noticed > some > small metal particles in the oil filter and that the cam chain tensioner > was > worn. > > We then replaced the cam chain tensioner, tires, chain and both spockets > as > they were due. Also checked the steering head bearings and they are fine. > Still the pulsing vibration remains, but the engine is a lot quieter. > > The engine has about 22,000 on it and I had the top end rebuilt at 13,000. > As > it turned out the rebuild was quite premature as the problem turned out to > be > a collapsed muffler which prevented the engine from exceeding 4,000 rpm. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) 16T sprocket for A9 Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:39:22 -0700 I called Chris Products to inquire about a 16T for Skip's A9. They had one, to fill an individuals' order, but apparently don't keep it in stock. It could be ordered, the wait is 4 or 5 weeks. part # is 459-16 ph # 503-614-8353 ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: (klr650) KLX mods? Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:35:41 -0400 Any KLX owners recommend any motor mods for this bike? Also has anyone swapped the rear damper and swingarm from the KLX650A model onto the C model? Its a nice aluminum swingarm and the damper is adjustable. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roy Cope Subject: Re:(klr650) Thumper rally Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:38:31 -0600 >Anybody going to the Thumper Rally in Red River, NM next week? > I'll be there. Roy Cope 96KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Blown Engine (again) Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:46:49 -0400 Some valvetrain noise is normal in the KLR and the KLX.. even my new KLX makes lots of noise which is due mostly to the KACR I believe. the weights dont draw the part that contacts thevalve shim in all the way. If you take the bike to a dealer, please let us know exactly how it failed if you can get any info about it.. I'd be interested to see just how it came off. As far as I know there is no way to practically run the KLR without the KACR.. try removing the spring from the mechanism and start it. You'll see what I mean. Its VERY difficult. Your vavles arent likely to be bent.. but you may want to really inspect the cams and the cam journals for damage. Also have them check the runout on the cam and see if it managed to get bent. > Well, my KLR blew up again after less than 2000 miles since I rebuilt > the top end. Seems that the KACR weights came off and went right > through the valve cover. Havn't taken it apart yet but I'm really > hoping the valves aren't bent AGAIN! :( > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Height of new windscreen Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:56:42 -0700 I'm 6'4", and the stock screen dumps air at about my neck level; I bought a Clearview +9 and it raises the airflow only to the level of my eyes. If you're 6', I would guess that the Clearview +9 would put the airflow at or just above the top of your helmet. If you're interested, I'll make you a deal. Dreas Nielsen (blinking and squinting in the windblast) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Heaslet [SMTP:stuart@heaslet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:32 AM > To: KLR List > Subject: (klr650) Height of new windscreen > > All: > > What size Clearview windscreen should I buy to move airflow above my > head? > I'm 6 feet tall, and the factory windshield seems to direct air to my > nose > and above at highway speeds. Also, does the taller windscreen > interfere > with visibility while it rains? I wear a full face shield. TIA... > Stuart > 1998 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Blown Engine (again) Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:27:09 -0700 Mike Ratta wrote: > Some valvetrain noise is normal in the KLR and the KLX.. even my new > KLX makes lots of noise which is due mostly to the KACR I believe. the > weights dont draw the part that contacts thevalve shim in all the way. If > you take the bike to a dealer, please let us know exactly how it failed if > you can get any info about it.. So far it looks like one of the little pins that holds the weights and levers that make up the KACR came out. One of the weights swung out until it hit the cam cover and was pushed right through. Then it broke off and went skipping down the road. I noticed that this thing has some pretty fragile looking construction when I did the rebuild. I should have investigated it further. I have been told that the 88/89 builds had some cheesy construction. This was born out by my previous exh cam failure. Turns out the hole in the exh cam sprocket was too big, allowing the sprocket to rock back and forth on the end of the cam, eventually shearing the dowel pin, spinning the cam, and eating up the valves. > I'd be interested to see just how it came > off. As far as I know there is no way to practically run the KLR without the > KACR.. try removing the spring from the mechanism and start it. You'll see > what I mean. Its VERY difficult. Have you tried it? ON the KLR or the KLX? > Your vavles arent likely to be bent.. but > you may want to really inspect the cams and the cam journals for damage. > Also have them check the runout on the cam and see if it managed to get > bent. I hope you're right about the valves. I'll get the cam checked out. Looks like I'm going to be out a buncha money again :(.b > > > > Well, my KLR blew up again after less than 2000 miles since I rebuilt > > the top end. Seems that the KACR weights came off and went right > > through the valve cover. Havn't taken it apart yet but I'm really > > hoping the valves aren't bent AGAIN! :( > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Heidenreich Subject: (klr650) Lowering kits Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:33:53 -0700 Thanks for the info on lowering kits. It sounds like a link to lower the back 1.5" with a lower seat and lowering the front end 1.5 to 2.0 inches is what I want. Now there are absolutely no excuses for not getting a klr650. Ron Heidenreich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bennett, Barry" Subject: (klr650) Riding with a backpack Date: 02 Sep 1998 16:28:21 -0600 I disagree about the alleged dangers of riding with a back pack. Sure, you need to be careful of what you put in it, but I don't think it's any more dangerous than that the tree limb sticking out in the trail or the rebar sticking out of the back of some truck. Dirt bike riders have been riding with backpacks for years, and I have yet to hear of anyone being hurt by wearing one. They can actually be kind of nice to have on when you hit the ground. Put the soft stuff against your back. (First hand experience here.) Courier bags are OK around town, but on the trail, they are ready made tree limb grabbers and neck snappers. When wearing a pack, the load is on you. You can absorb a bump with your knees and not tax the suspension as much. It's nice to be able to move that center of gravity around as you ride. If the load it attached to the bike, it is just extra dead weight the suspension has to absorb. Another nice feature about having a backpack is when you get stuck on the side of a hill or in that mud hole, you can easily take your back off and set it down. Then you don't have to lift that extra weight when you pick up you bike. My bike is heavy enough. When selecting a back pack to wear on your bike, here are some tips. Be careful not to get a pack that has large wings on it, to hold water bottles. No netting should be exposed on the sides. Ideally, the pack is no wider than you. Narrower is even better. Wide sides are tree limb grabbers. When you sit down on the seat, the shoulder straps must be long enough so that the pack will rest on the seat of the bike, not hanging from your shoulders. This is very important if you are going for long rides. Now, if the pack is resting on the seat, you MUST have a good waist belt to pull it to your body, otherwise the shoulder straps will want to slide off. It is also nice to have a sternum strap to help hold the shoulder straps on, and compression straps, so the load stays put. Happy trails, Barry Bennett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Riding with a backpack Date: 02 Sep 1998 16:22:13 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bennett, Barry [SMTP:bb00611@po3.cobe.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:28 PM > > When wearing a pack, the load is on you. You can absorb a bump > with your knees and not tax the suspension as much. > If you are riding over rough stuff and do *not* absorb the bumps with your knees, every pound in your backpack represents an incremental risk to the disks in your back. It's up to you to judge your own level of fitness, but bearing in mind that some people rupture their disks just bending over, and also bearing in mind the physical condition of some people I see on bikes, I would caution against wearing a backpack on a bike. Dreas Nielsen (who never bends at all) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee again Date: 02 Sep 1998 18:12:47 -0600 based on your expectations: stick with the truck...you can still wear the helicopter helmet and roll up the window when it rains... Jim Barthell wrote: > roger kriegel wrote: > > > i do like that there is a bunch of KLR650 info and newsgroup that you can > > ask any questions and get answers...havent found anything like this on > > triumph yet...except private clubs you have to pay. > > This is a decent list I've been following for about a year: > triumph@magpie.com > > -- > Jim Barthell - TX > > '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 > FSSNOC #2421 -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Riding with a backpack Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:10:11 -0400 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:28:21 -0600 "Bennett, Barry" writes: >I disagree about the alleged dangers of riding with a back pack. >Sure, you need to be careful of what you put in it, but I don't think >it's any more dangerous than that the tree limb sticking out in the trail >or the rebar sticking out of the back of some truck. > >Dirt bike riders have been riding with backpacks for years, and >I have yet to hear of anyone being hurt by wearing one. They >can actually be kind of nice to have on when you hit the ground. >Put the soft stuff against your back. (First hand experience here.) >Courier bags are OK around town, but on the trail, they are ready >made tree limb grabbers and neck snappers. > >When wearing a pack, the load is on you. You can absorb a bump >with your knees and not tax the suspension as much. It's nice to be >able to move that center of gravity around as you ride. If the load >it attached to the bike, it is just extra dead weight the suspension >has to absorb. Another nice feature about having a backpack is >when you get stuck on the side of a hill or in that mud hole, you can >easily take your back off and set it down. Then you don't have to lift >that extra weight when you pick up you bike. My bike is heavy enough. > >When selecting a back pack to wear on your bike, here are some tips. >Be careful not to get a pack that has large wings on it, to hold water > >bottles. No netting should be exposed on the sides. Ideally, >the pack is no wider than you. Narrower is even better. Wide sides >are tree limb grabbers. When you sit down on the seat, the shoulder >straps must be long enough so that the pack will rest on the seat >of the bike, not hanging from your shoulders. This is very important >if you are going for long rides. Now, if the pack is resting on the seat, you >MUST have a good waist belt to pull it to your body, otherwise the >shoulder straps will want to slide off. It is also nice to have a >sternum strap to help hold the shoulder straps on, and compression straps, >so the load stays put. >Happy trails, >Barry Bennett Hi, Barry, I guess I gotta put my $0.02 in. My personal prejudices about riding with packs on is based on 15 years experience in an urban trauma center where I saw my share of survivors of bike crashes, 200,000 or so miles of road riding (but zero "real" off-road experience) and personal experience with a couple of my own crashes. Also, I have used a variety of soft and frame packs for years off bikes... Not at all claiming that I am therefor some kind of expert, mind you! Just trying to establish my background so you can assess my particular prejudices (and that's all they are!)... The original question, if I have it straight (and maybe I don't!), was from a brand-new rider, not yet licensed, and planning mostly road trips... Given that specific scenario, I would strongly advise against wearing a backpack. Here is my reasoning, fwiw: 1. He will have more than enough to learn about body english and bike handling without tacking extra weight on where it will have the most pronounced effect (high and to the rear of his personal COG) on his balance. An experienced dirt rider already "instinctively" knows what changes in weight and position do to handling. A beginning road rider has yet to learn that. (I suspect, also, that off-road riders learn this balance and trim stuff faster and better than some of us road riders seem to... I wish I had put in lots of time in the dirt years ago. I'm sure I'd be a better rider for it now) 2. A spill at (hopefully!) modest velocity (at a proper beginner's pace!!) in the dirt is potentially different from a highway spill on a road trip. I know what you mean about the risks on the road, and I agree. But, I see it as a question of managing the variables under your control. Most riders on the open road travel at maybe 50-70 miles an hour. I have no dirt experience, so correct me if I'm off here, but that seems likely to be a lot faster than a new rider would likely to be going off the road??? So, the "cost" of a crash on the road might tend to be a little higher, just in terms of energy involved, than a crash in the dirt. ('Course, otoh, I'm sure experienced dirt riders can go hellacious fast on dirt roads!) 3. My own painful experience is that you should be sure that whatever you carry in your pockets or on your body is something you are willing to fall on. In my case, I was carrying a laptop in a courier bag when I fell at less than 15 miles an hour on an off-ramp. The injuries I sustained included rather painful multiple rib fractures from landing on the bag. Had I not been wearing the bag, I would have only had some minor contusions and abrasions. Had I landed with the bag a few inches forward, I would have had a substantial risk of flail chest, which can be life-threatening. Again, this was not at highway speed. (and, yeah, I was plenty embarrassed about that "invisible" gravel!) 4. Falling on hard things at highway speed that are strapped specifically to your back can effectively put a fulcrum on your spine that can greatly increase the risk of nasty spinal injury. Cracked ribs are one thing, but levering vertebrae out of position is potentially crippling. Again, I say this based on injuries I've seen. Maybe you recall the flap about some neck rolls on certain helmets having the potential to cause serious cervical spine damage?? Same principle. 5. Putting only soft, light things in a backpack for road riding is probably not that big a deal. If he sticks to a few pounds (I would guess 10 lbs or less) of clothing or some such, I guess I would agree with your risk assessment. OTOH, If he is like I used to be, and gives little thought to what is actually in the pack, he could conceivably have problems. So, I would say that at highway speeds, packing the soft stuff next to your body isn't good enough. In general terms, there ought to be nothing but soft stuff carried on your body. At 65 mph, the forces in a serious crash can be more than enough to overwhelm the padding offered by your packed jeans and shirt, if you put something like my old 12 lb laptop in the same space. Sharp, pointy things in pockets and on the belt can be trouble, too, fwiw. Beyond all that, I agree with your suggestions re packs, though the sternum straps are an acquired taste. Still, if you haven't made up your mind, buying a pack with them makes sense, since you sure don't have to use 'em if you decide they're not your cup of tea. One advantage (maybe) to a shoulder bag vs a backpack (on the road, only) did show up for me one time: a rush hour crash at around 45 mph on a freeway sent me sliding face-down forward off the bike. In that instance, the shoulder bag very nicely slid off over my head and politely proceeded me down the road. So, depending on the crash scenario (impossible to predict, of course!), I guess it is possible that a shoulder bag might get out of your way better than a fixed backpack. Sheer speculation, though. The main thing is to avoid landing on hard stuff, as you said! The other item I think he mentioned about having tunes on the road, is another thing I think a new rider probably should avoid. Especially when you are learning something as esoteric as handling a motorcycle, concentration is sometimes the difference between us being survivors and leaving survivors. Carrying over the cage attitude of 'cruisin' to some tunes' is maybe a wee bit too slack for someone who is as vulnerable as a new road rider. And of course, and always, ymmv... Best, Doug Bouley _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Riding with a backpack Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:42:54 EDT In a message dated 98-09-02 18:27:30 EDT, bb00611@po3.cobe.com writes: << I disagree about the alleged dangers of riding with a back pack. Sure, you need to be careful of what you put in it, but I don't think it's any more dangerous than that the tree limb sticking out in the trail or the rebar sticking out of the back of some truck. >> Ditto. Although I prefer a large fanny pack, I have used back packs off road with no problems. Keeping it close to you body id the key. Yes, it will get hot on summer days, but the load is on you not the bike which allows you to control the weight shifting. Oneal (I think) makes an absolute killer pack with lots of storage, water bottle holders and plenty of compression straps. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rycomm@webtv.net (Ryan Combs) Subject: (klr650) Countershaft sprocket Date: 02 Sep 1998 23:05:25 -0500 (CDT) I was just changing my front sprocket, and the holding plate that the two 10mm bolts screw through into the sprocket does not line up like the oem sprocket. I have a Sunstar 15 t part 35915. Is this what the Jake Jakeman pre-96 shims are for? My bike is an '89. I am leaving on a two week trip on Saturday morning. Does the Kaw front sprocket fit without these shims? The old sprocket only has 4000 miles on it and looks good. I compared it to the sunstar, and there is very little wear. My chains o-rings got dried out, so I was replacing the set. If anyone can help, please let me know off- list because I am on digest. Thanks Ryan '89 KLR A3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: (klr650) Re: new "DSN" Date: 02 Sep 1998 21:08:33 -0700 Gino I recieved the last copy of the KLR DS news today. We mark the passing of an era with due respect and appreciation. I applaud and support your decision to broaden the scope of your (our) newsletter. Dual sport motorcycle touring, adventure touring, combat touring, whatever you call it, has started to really gather a following here in the states. There is no publication that supports this activity commonly available that I know of, certainly not on the news stand anyway. I think you made a wise choice. I would like to support and participate in your endeavor however I can. Perhaps this could evolve into a slick, glossy publication with a global readership. The potential is enormous. The emergence of this type of magazine will hopefully convince boneheaded motorcycle marketing executives that the market exists here for all those trick bikes they won't let us have. Of course we will need their support so I'd better stop calling them boneheads but you know what I mean. Onward and upward....best of luck...I can't wait peace Morgan like I always say "What good is a mind if you can't change it!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:11:44 -0600 >Would you not still have the possibility of sucking air? Darren, No, when I`m running on the main, the inline valve from the right side will be in the off position, thus allowing no air from that side if it`s empty. If I`m running on the right side, the main petcock will be in the off position, also allowing no air from that tank. Skip ( who has been accused of sucking air) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock: installation Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:30:35 -0600 >You won't 'draw' air from the empty side. The fuel system is gravity fed. >b Chris, I realize that this is a gravity fed system. I have seen gravity fed systems draw air from an open line before. High wing aircraft (Cessnas for example) have had problems in the past of drawing air when running the fuel valve in the "both" position when one of the tanks was dry. I`ve replaced many a valve in aircraft to a "left or right" valve only because of this. It usually occurs most with low head pressures, as would be the case with the KLR when the left side is empty and less than a gallon on the right. The fuel flowing from the right side will also cause a venturi effect, trying to draw from the other line if it`s open. Regardless, I want to be able to keep the sides independent from each other. I plan to shorten the stand pipe on the left side and use the right as a reserve. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vesannlewis@juno.com Subject: (klr650) Back packs Date: 02 Sep 1998 21:44:25 -0700 To the one asking about using a back pack. I see some of you saying it's okay and others disagreeing. Seems to me the size is of utmost importance. A fanny pack is one thing, a full-size framed pack is something else again. Even a small backpack could be acceptable but not a big one, not for distance, comfort, or safety. -Ves _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Palin" Subject: RE: (klr650) newbee again Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:42:22 -0700 Since you intend to go long distance touring with almost all your miles on pavement and the only non-paved being country roads it seems intuitive to me that the Tiger is the better choise - I have had two KLRs and haven't ridden a Tiger but ave talked to owners. You don't even need a DP bike for the kind of riding you have described - I rode the previously mentioned Battlestar (Honda GL1200A Goldwing) more than 2000 miles on some pretty dodgy dirt and gravel roads in Alaska and northern Canada without too much trouble. Your desire to ride from Austin to LA or Orlando in one day is unreasonable given your other comfort demands, I've done loads of 7,8,900 mile days but to be honest it stops being fun after much more than 500 and becomes an endurance test (your toughness may vary) Helmets with two speakers or wearing earplugs in both ears is illegal in California and I suspect some other states - that doesn't make any difference to most of us of course. You asked about back comfort - I've found that wearing a backpack definately tires your back more quickly and there is the high weight factor. I'd much rather have the suspension take the pounding than my knees, easier to replace in a few years. With DP suspension the effect of the wieght will be negligable on paved roads as long as you strap it down REALLY tightly - I use bungees first then string or rope to cinch it. Why don't you take the MSF class, get your permit and find some place to rent a bike for a long weekend to see what you want to do, will be cheaper than buying a new bike and finding you can't use it as you want to. Here in the SF Bay Area there are a number of bike rental places some of which have Triumphs - I think they are Trophys not Tigers (Trophy, Trident? my decades are confused) I'm sure there is somewhere in Austin or at least Dallas or Houston. Bob Palin blah, blah.... p.s. 2 speakers illegal - can someone confirm that? I know dual earplugs are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LINUS Subject: RE: (klr650) Strange Vibrations Date: 03 Sep 1998 17:36:31 +0800 At 01:30 PM 02-09-98 -0400, you wrote: If the balancer chain is misplaced by 1 link only , it will generate huge amounts of vibration to the bike.When I changed mine there were punch marks on the sprocket which were useful in aligning the sprockets correctly, unfortunately i missed by 1 link and had to painstakingly repeat the whole procudere again. Linus KLR90 >If I remember right there is a procedure where you align some punch marks on >the gears of the balancer mechanism before the chain goes back on. Did the >dealer take this off? Maybe you should check that it lines up... if the >balancer isnt exactly 180 degrees opposite of the piston you will get some >extra vibration. Its also possible that somehow the chain got loose and >skipped over some teeth.. happened on my camchain once. Make sure the >camchain tensioner is not too tight.. and especially dont turn it once its >in or tighten it down if its extented. Good luck :) > > >> After a full service, my KLR immediately had a pulsing, rythmic vibration >> that >> was most evident in the fairing and bars. During the service, we noticed >> some >> small metal particles in the oil filter and that the cam chain tensioner >> was >> worn. >> >> We then replaced the cam chain tensioner, tires, chain and both spockets >> as >> they were due. Also checked the steering head bearings and they are fine. >> Still the pulsing vibration remains, but the engine is a lot quieter. >> >> The engine has about 22,000 on it and I had the top end rebuilt at 13,000. >> As >> it turned out the rebuild was quite premature as the problem turned out to >> be >> a collapsed muffler which prevented the engine from exceeding 4,000 rpm. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) More on KLX Date: 03 Sep 1998 05:45:49 PDT Couple of further comments on the KLX: It does have a counter balancer, which is gear, not chain, driven. No maintenance. I haven't ridden a KLR, so can't do a direct comparison of the vibration level between the two bikes. But my KLX certainly does not vibrate enough to be a problem. The mirrors stay clear at all speeds. As he has reported, Scooter got into a world of trouble trying to put a hot cam in his KLX. So, probably not a good idea. But, the bike does respond well to a jet kit and aftermarket exhaust. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) Dynojet kit Date: 03 Sep 1998 06:35:12 -0700 List, I have a Dynojet kit I'd like to sell. $50 and I'll pay shipping. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: (klr650) The big change Date: 03 Sep 1998 07:53:48 -0600 As most of you have probably heard by now, Kawasaki 650 Dual Sport News will be changing to an "all-brands" publication with the November/December issue. I hope this does not mean that I will loose the KLR650 following. Kurt Simpson has agreed to pickup the KLR650 specific information which will be regularly included in the new publication, Dual Sport News. I truly appreciate all of the support you as KLR650 enthusiasts have given me over the past two and a half years and hope you will remain a part of this new endeavor. Just a reminder that the November/December issue will be free and that if you have an existing subscription, it will be adjusted accordingly. Thanks for your support. P.S. In response to some calls and e-mail I have already received. No, I have not sold my KLR650. It remains my favorite motorcycle. Gino Pokluda, editor, Dual Sport News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR The big change Date: 03 Sep 1998 09:26:01 -0500 > As most of you have probably heard by now, Kawasaki 650 Dual Sport News > will be changing to an "all-brands" publication with the [snip] > Gino Pokluda, editor, Dual Sport News That is fantastic news. I have been looking for something devoted to dual sports in general. I will be subscribing soon. Will you be starting other listservers to cover some of the other models? I think that would be really cool if you did. Can you get some information on the rumor that Honda is bringing over the Africa Twin or Transalp? :-) My dealer doesn't know anything about it. David M. King P.S. I just noticed your E-mail address. Do you work for Sandia Labs of Sandia Sandhawk fame? High-power rocketry is my other passion and I know several people that have built and flown 2/5 scale and larger Terrier-Sandhawks. I don't suppose you are into high-power rocketry as well? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bennett, Barry" Subject: (klr650) Back Packs Again Date: 03 Sep 1998 09:06:55 -0600 Hi Doug, I guess when I read the gentleman was going to ride for 14 hrs. straight on a KLR, my butt and hands went so numb my brain just switched gears and decided to go trail riding instead. I'd still rather have a back pack than a courier bag. For a lap top the courier bag might be better, but who needs more control of their load than a beginner? A courier bag can swing around on you and throw you off balance. I was talking comfort here and not just safety. If you dwell on safety, at some point you're just gonna have to sell the bike and take the bus anyway because the car is just to dangerous. For a real road trip though, I'd bungee AND strap (no flames here, please) a duffel bag or saddle bags on and forget the back pack and courier bag. I'm going on vacation Friday for 2 weeks, so flame me now or wait till the 21st. See ya at Steamboat! Barry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bennett, Barry" Subject: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 03 Sep 1998 09:15:09 -0600 Alright Gino! I have to say it's a bold step, but a step in the right direction. You'll have your nay sayers, but I'll look forward to the variety and comparisons. We all need to pull our heads out once in awhile and get a breath of fresh air. Thanks, Barry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harmon Subject: (klr650) KLR Axles Date: 03 Sep 1998 08:58:57 -0500 What is the torque settings for the front and rear axles for the KLR? Thanks, SteveH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Back packs Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:16:32 -0600 -----Original Message----- >To the one asking about using a back pack. I see some of you saying >it's okay and others disagreeing. Seems to me the size is of utmost >importance. A fanny pack is one thing, a full-size framed pack is >something else again. Even a small backpack could be acceptable but not >a big one, not for distance, comfort, or safety. > >-Ves This is what makes email/list dialogue so difficult. There are so many assumptions at work. I think you are making the right point Ves. For off-road or on-road riding a light pack is not going to be a problem. But anything of substance is going to be better off on the rack. I carry a 10 lb backpack to and from each day and I always strap it on my Top of the Line Rack. However, when I stop for groceries I sometimes fill the Ortlieb dry duffel I keep with me on the rack and then carry the pack on my back. In the 2 miles home I can feel the strain on my neck and shoulders...this was my point. Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Back Packs Again Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:24:05 -0600 >I'd still rather have a back pack than a courier bag. For a lap top >the courier bag might be better, but who needs more control of their load >than a beginner? A courier bag can swing around on you and throw you >off balance. I notice that the Timbuk2 has a waist strap in addition to the over the shoulder strap. When I road with it the other day it felt comfortable and had no movement... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) The big change Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:29:10 -0600 -----Original Message----- >As most of you have probably heard by now, Kawasaki 650 Dual Sport News >will be changing to an "all-brands" publication with the >November/December issue. I hope this does not mean that I will loose the >KLR650 following. Kurt Simpson has agreed to pickup the KLR650 specific >information which will be regularly included in the new publication, Dual >Sport News. I truly appreciate all of the support you as KLR650 >enthusiasts have given me over the past two and a half years and hope you >will remain a part of this new endeavor. Gino, I wish to add my own message of appreciation and thanks to you for the newsletter and web page. They have been tremendous resources. When I page through the back issues (anyone who has not sent Gino a check for all back issues is missing some very valuable info) I am overwhelmed by the energy you put forth but also the balance, objectivity, and fairness you display in your editing. Best of luck in this new adventure. Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: Re: (klr650) Riding with a backpack Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:36:37 -0700 (MST) > Although I prefer a large fanny pack, I have used back packs off road > with no problems. The original poster said he would be doing almost all street riding. Street accidents are just that, accidental. No one plans on having one. I just wouldn't get into a habit of wearing a back pack on the street, since one day you could put something sharp into it and if you _did_ crash (unlikely as it is) you face an increased risk. If you are happy with this increased risk level, then cool. I meet all kinds of Motorcyclists, some are immortal or plan to be dead by 30 anyway (heard a lot of that), others are overly paranoid about the risks. Also, with all of the storage options for the bikes (tankbags, tailpacks, soft/hard luggage etc), I fail to see need to use a back pack. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: KLR shock..Nitrogen Date: 03 Sep 1998 16:59:32 -0400 > In the lab, I have seen some very spectacular and explosive reactions done > with nitrogen gas. Consider these compounds made with nitrogen: > Nitroglycerin and Trinitrotoluene. Not very good examples. A big reason nitroglycerin and trinitrotoluene are explosive is the propensity to form N2 (nitrogen) gas. N2 gas is waaay down the energy well. Nitrogen fixation requires a lot of energy. Yes you can get N2 to react under special conditions, but in most cases, calling it inert is reasonable. If you want to get really picky, the noble gases aren't inert either. Xenon difluoride is pretty easy to make and I believe some other noble gas compounds have been made too. I'm curious what explosions you've encountered with N2 gas? I've done some pretty exotic chemistry, but none where I had to worry about N2 reactivity. Occasionally we used Argon for as an inert blanket, but most of the time we used N2. (Boy am I glad to be out of the synthesis business. Fires and explosions get to you after a few years. :-) ) -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) If you like the Trans Alp ilk Date: 03 Sep 1998 17:23:08 EDT Howdy, Over a year ago I read a review of the Suzuki Freewind, which is the more street-oriented version of the DR650 that leans towards the F650. Of course it was an overseas breed. If I remember it is amenable to street and touring but has enough hootspah to do some light trail work. 'Possed to be s- m-o-o-t-h. It was on the Motorcycle Online website that I haven't visited in quite some time (motorcycle.com?). I personally think the Killer scoots y'all pilot now have got what you want, with the possible exeption of ubiquitous 2up riding at rural interstate speeds. But from your list I glean that a new seat fixes that, so... Oh almost forgot. It did have one of the fairer sex in the article so perhaps not so damn tall. steve (thought I'd pull an Eris on your list party) 98 RXC 620 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 03 Sep 1998 18:26:10 -0400 > Alright Gino! > > I have to say it's a bold step, but a step in the right > direction. The first thing I'd like to see is a comparison of excess plastic on DS bikes. How much does all that fancy bodywork cost to replace? For bikes meant to see some off-road time, they sure are looking expensive to drop. The newer models are getting to be faux DS bikes. Take them off road only if you have $1k+ for a simple tip-over. It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more bucks out of customers after the sale. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Back Packs Again Date: 03 Sep 1998 18:52:44 -0400 On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:06:55 -0600 "Bennett, Barry" writes: >Hi Doug, > >I guess when I read the gentleman was going to ride for 14 hrs. >straight on a KLR, my butt and hands went so numb my brain just switched gears >and decided to go trail riding instead. My butt also thinks that's a long time, even on a road bike (never had a Gold Wing, though). >I'd still rather have a back pack than a courier bag. For a lap top >the courier bag might be better, but who needs more control of their >load than a beginner? A courier bag can swing around on you and throw you >off balance. I was talking comfort here and not just safety. If you >dwell on safety, at some point you're just gonna have to sell the bike and take >the bus anyway because the car is just to dangerous. Yup. Every once in awhile I've gotten myself trapped into trying to convince someone of the "logic" of riding... Silly, me. It ain't about logic, it's about passion. Same with the safety bit: bikes, like all worthwhile things, are dangerous. An experienced rider makes her/his own choices, hopefully with some appreciation of the risks/benefits. Safety Nazis (the folks who _only_ consider safety and then tell every one else what not to do) need not apply. And I sure agree that for a new rider, in particular, a courier bag without a waist strap might be plenty distracting, especially in the city. >For a real road trip though, I'd bungee AND strap (no flames here, >please) a duffel bag or saddle bags on and forget the back pack and courier >bag. Me, too... with twice as many bungees as it takes! >I'm going on vacation Friday for 2 weeks, so flame me now or wait till >the 21st. Not me! I'm saving the flames for a couple of juicy, high-cholesterol Unsafe steaks!! >See ya at Steamboat! >Barry Have a good one! Wish I was going to Steamboat. Doug _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Re: DSN Date: 03 Sep 1998 19:32:56 +0000 Gino, Nice move! I think it's going to be great. We can only gain from more people's experiences and ideas. The KLR has become my favorite motorcycle too, and I'm sure I'll stick with it, but I look forward to getting ride info and reports from an even larger audience. So bravo to you! Cheers, Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL 98 KLR 650 88 BMW K75S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rycomm@webtv.net (Ryan Combs) Subject: (klr650) Red River ect Date: 03 Sep 1998 20:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Thanks for your help w/ the sprockets. I am going to Red River. I am hoping to leace Sat morn from the Kansas City area. I will be going via Wichita and spending the night somewhere in SW KS.I am going to avoid most 4 lane roads, and hopefully find some dirt (shouldn't be hard). I should be in Red River Mon eve. After Red River I am going to Steamboat via Moab, and hopefully WY and MT. My plans will change once I get going, but thats the itenerary. If anyone is going through this way, and wants some company, let me know off list. See ya all NM, Ryan '89 KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: (klr650) Tank panniers and The archives. Date: 03 Sep 1998 20:31:26 -0500 How do you mount the standard size Aero stitch panniers to the KLR?? I know that this has been asked about 3-4 times now but I just spent about 15 min. looking through the archives for the old posts and can't find them. Is there anyway that the archives can be made searchable?? Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 03 Sep 1998 21:45:11 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904873512_boundary Content-ID: <0_904873512@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/3/98 7:53:21 PM EST, rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com writes: << The first thing I'd like to see is a comparison of excess plastic on DS bikes. How much does all that fancy bodywork cost to replace? For bikes meant to see some off-road time, they sure are looking expensive to drop. The newer models are getting to be faux DS bikes. Take them off road only if you have $1k+ for a simple tip-over. It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more bucks out of customers after the sale. -Rick >> Here in lies the basis for so many discussions on this list. What is a dual sport bike to you, and what is it to me? I go off-road very little any more (ex-racer, lots of experiece, been there, done that sort of thing) and I appreciate stuff like the mini-fairings and stuff because they "usually" make my miles better, yet if I were going to ride hard off-road and just use the license plates to get me there, then I'd ride a KTM or XR650L, or such. So that's why we're such a neat bunch of dudes and dudettes, because we do so many different things with the same sort of bike. Gino, go forth and make us proud!!!! Test those plastic covered PD wannabes, and then go thrash those barely street-legal racers, and tell us all about it. Of course, just my $.02 worth. (If that much....) MN Ron (Winter starts soon, so gotta ride, gotta ride!!!!) --part0_904873512_boundary Content-ID: <0_904873512@inet_out.mail.pop.mindspring.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:53:18 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id SAA09037; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zEhlA-00063U-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:21:44 -0600 Received: from (camel7.mindspring.com) [207.69.200.57] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zEhl7-00063D-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:21:41 -0600 Received: from r-clarke (user-38ld8br.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.161.123]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10178 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809032221.SAA10178@camel7.mindspring.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Rick Clarke" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Alright Gino! > > I have to say it's a bold step, but a step in the right > direction. The first thing I'd like to see is a comparison of excess plastic on DS bikes. How much does all that fancy bodywork cost to replace? For bikes meant to see some off-road time, they sure are looking expensive to drop. The newer models are getting to be faux DS bikes. Take them off road only if you have $1k+ for a simple tip-over. It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more bucks out of customers after the sale. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 --part0_904873512_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) Acerbis Rally Hand Guards Date: 03 Sep 1998 21:56:13 -0400 I wasn't thrilled about having to hacksaw my new guards to fit around the Brake Master Cylinder, but it was easy. They do seem to protect the levers very well. What is the deal with tightening up the throttle-side guard? Does not seem possible with the way they are designed. Right now I just have it loosely screwed in there or it binds the throttle. Did you guys use 'plan B' on your guards? Meaning, you rigged up something different than on the back of the instructions? I like the part of the instructions that say, "modify your handgrips to make these parts we gave you fit nicely". Which is long-winded for, "cut a big _ss hole in your brand-new handgrips and don't screw it up, Bozo." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:03:46 -0400 Don't tease me about winter coming and you have to ride, ride, ride. I'm still sitting here with no Title or plates on my brand new '98 and no clue when or if I will get them. 350 Illegal miles now. If I get a ticket I will sue that damn dealer in small claims court, and make them pay for it. I've been victorious in my last 2 out of 3 visits in front of Wopner, so a may have a weak chance, but I'm probably just blowing off steam... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Rcklr@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:45 PM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Dual Sport News > > > In a message dated 9/3/98 7:53:21 PM EST, > rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com writes: > > << The first thing I'd like to see is a comparison of excess plastic on > DS bikes. How much does all that fancy bodywork cost to replace? For > bikes meant to see some off-road time, they sure are looking > expensive to drop. The newer models are getting to be faux DS bikes. > Take them off road only if you have $1k+ for a simple tip-over. > > It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it > on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more > bucks out of customers after the sale. > > -Rick > > >> > > Here in lies the basis for so many discussions on this list. > What is a dual > sport bike to you, and what is it to me? I go off-road very > little any more > (ex-racer, lots of experiece, been there, done that sort of thing) and I > appreciate stuff like the mini-fairings and stuff because they > "usually" make > my miles better, yet if I were going to ride hard off-road and > just use the > license plates to get me there, then I'd ride a KTM or XR650L, or > such. So > that's why we're such a neat bunch of dudes and dudettes, because we do so > many different things with the same sort of bike. Gino, go forth > and make us > proud!!!! Test those plastic covered PD wannabes, and then go > thrash those > barely street-legal racers, and tell us all about it. > > Of course, just my $.02 worth. (If that much....) > > MN Ron (Winter starts soon, so gotta ride, gotta ride!!!!) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) newbee again Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:09:52 EDT On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:42:22 -0700 "Bob Palin" writes: >Helmets with two speakers or wearing earplugs in both ears is illegal >in >California and I suspect some other states - that doesn't make any >difference to most of us of course. I don't know if that is true or not, but California licenses deaf people to drive automobiles. Seems to be a double standard. Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Seeing it on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more bucks out of customers after the sale. >> I have to agree with you. This winter I'm planning on making a "superlight" KLR650. Fairing will be removed, as will a sizeable portion of the rear subframe which is really heavy. Plans are a bit sketchy right now, but i will keep everyone posted on its progress. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roundr1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) which feels best? Date: 03 Sep 1998 23:19:15 EDT this is great. just finished reading all the digests. many of my questions were answered there. i'll try not to ask the million i still have all at once. there is one i would like to run by all of you if you don't mind. next month i am going to visit my grandma at her clothing optional condo. i saw some references to riding naked in some earlier posts. so i thought someone here could direct me to the best seat for that purpose. it's not just me, also i want my grandma to be comfortable when i take her riding. tia john oldepus 96 klr650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) which feels best? Date: 03 Sep 1998 21:06:31 -0700 -----Original Message----- >this is great. just finished reading all the digests. many of my questions >were answered there. i'll try not to ask the million i still have all at once. >there is one i would like to run by all of you if you don't mind. next month i >am going to visit my grandma at her clothing optional condo. i saw some >references to riding naked in some earlier posts. so i thought someone here >could direct me to the best seat for that purpose. it's not just me, also i >want my grandma to be comfortable when i take her riding. tia > >john oldepus 96 klr650 > >================....ask Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Looking for Jim Barthell, off-topic Date: 04 Sep 1998 00:20:06 -0000 Sorry, off-topic but, Jim Barthell, if you're out there, please email me directly, regarding diabetes. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) KLR650 Stealthiness Date: 03 Sep 1998 23:01:09 -0700 by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible to enjoy headphones on this bike. ****************************************** Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on the hunt"...I love it! Darrel A12 "Avenger" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Traffic lights and photo radar Date: 04 Sep 1998 02:09:04 -0700 >...and at a good red-light opportunity, with that nasty crimson eye staring down >at you, just cruise through. And then if you have a bad attitude, you go to the >next stoplight (or speed) photo radar and do it again. And again, until you get >it right. If you are smart, you will wear shades but not a helmet or jacket that >has your name on it. > >I learned this from the kids in the south of England, who were doing it to the >fixed photo-speed radars. In Oz, as our dag-rattling correspondents may point >out, some citizens have been taking out several of the rural traffic monitoring >devices, photo radars and some others, with shotguns. > >It is a pattern that should be emulated thoughout the former Free World. > >Dr Robert >(Where is Tim McVeigh, now that we need him?) > My friend from Germany says that they use these to catch speeders, but on bikes it doesn't work, because the picture is taken from the front, and bikes don't have front licenses. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: Re: (klr650) Traffic lights and photo radar Date: 04 Sep 1998 11:22:09 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jeffrey L. Walker wrote: > My friend from Germany says that they use these to catch speeders, but on > bikes it doesn't work, because the picture is taken from the front, and > bikes don't have front licenses. > > Jeff > Yep. I can confirm this. Happened to me once in a little town called Schleiden in the Eiffel mountains. I was tootling along when there was this flash in front of me. I noticed that there was no flash as I passed and it was behind me. Got my brains working overtime for a while thinking about how they were gonna get me before I figured that they'd probably won't. It was a good wake up call, though. I was doing about 40mph in a 30 zone. Yus. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 Stealthiness Date: 04 Sep 1998 07:44:25 -0700 At 11:01 PM 9/3/98 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote: >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible >to enjoy headphones on this bike. >****************************************** >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on >the hunt"...I love it! Quiet to your fellow outdoorsmen, not to the operator. The KLR at speed is not a whispery-quite ride by any means. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) which feels best? Date: 04 Sep 1998 20:52:33 +1000 Roundr1@aol.com wrote: [...] > could direct me to the best seat for that purpose. it's not just me, also i > want my grandma to be comfortable when i take her riding. tia Sounds like a job for a sheepskin cover. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 04 Sep 1998 08:58:25 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904913906_boundary Content-ID: <0_904913906@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/3/98 9:04:16 PM EST, syoung@tir.com writes: << Don't tease me about winter coming and you have to ride, ride, ride. I'm still sitting here with no Title or plates on my brand new '98 and no clue when or if I will get them. 350 Illegal miles now. If I get a ticket I will sue that damn dealer in small claims court, and make them pay for it. I've been victorious in my last 2 out of 3 visits in front of Wopner, so a may have a weak chance, but I'm probably just blowing off steam... >> Steve, your problem REALLT bites!! I guess that learning lessons sometimes just aren't worth it, at least for the one doing the hard lesson, like you... Let me understand, you bought a new bike from this dealer and there is no paperwork? Man, that sucks. I think a call to the Attorney General in California might be in order, maybe via your AG??? Anyway, my bike will be up today after being down for a couple of weeks due to a bad mechanical seal in the water pump. Fred got me the parts faster than the dealer would have, now I just have to get it done within my schedule. That's why I said that I have to get out and ride before the snow flies.. Good luck Steve, I know that we're all pulling for you!!!!! MN Ron (Never burned by a dealer -- YET!!) --part0_904913906_boundary Content-ID: <0_904913906@inet_out.mail.tir.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:04:14 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id WAA08756; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zElD8-00069u-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:02:50 -0600 Received: from (sun.tir.com) [205.138.41.6] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zElD5-00069p-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:02:47 -0600 Received: from fennt4s (port46.mico07.tir.com [209.140.177.93]) by sun.tir.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA16320 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401bdd7a8$4043baa0$111ef5ce@fennt4s> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8c7b0158.35ef4627@aol.com> Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Steve Young" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Don't tease me about winter coming and you have to ride, ride, ride. I'm still sitting here with no Title or plates on my brand new '98 and no clue when or if I will get them. 350 Illegal miles now. If I get a ticket I will sue that damn dealer in small claims court, and make them pay for it. I've been victorious in my last 2 out of 3 visits in front of Wopner, so = a may have a weak chance, but I'm probably just blowing off steam... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Rcklr@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:45 PM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Dual Sport News > > > In a message dated 9/3/98 7:53:21 PM EST, > rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com writes: > > << The first thing I'd like to see is a comparison of excess plastic on > DS bikes. How much does all that fancy bodywork cost to replace? For > bikes meant to see some off-road time, they sure are looking > expensive to drop. The newer models are getting to be faux DS bikes. > Take them off road only if you have $1k+ for a simple tip-over. > > It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it > on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more > bucks out of customers after the sale. > > -Rick > > >> > > Here in lies the basis for so many discussions on this list. > What is a dual > sport bike to you, and what is it to me? I go off-road very > little any more > (ex-racer, lots of experiece, been there, done that sort of thing) and I > appreciate stuff like the mini-fairings and stuff because they > "usually" make > my miles better, yet if I were going to ride hard off-road and > just use the > license plates to get me there, then I'd ride a KTM or XR650L, or > such. So > that's why we're such a neat bunch of dudes and dudettes, because we do = so > many different things with the same sort of bike. Gino, go forth > and make us > proud!!!! Test those plastic covered PD wannabes, and then go > thrash those > barely street-legal racers, and tell us all about it. > > Of course, just my $.02 worth. (If that much....) > > MN Ron (Winter starts soon, so gotta ride, gotta ride!!!!) > --part0_904913906_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) OIL Date: 04 Sep 1998 08:58:14 Wednesday I stopped at Murray's Kawasaki in Scranton, PA. (Those Base Service Manuals are still on back order guys.) I talked with the service guy and we got into a discussion about oil. I told him that I use good old Pennziol 10w40 and he said that I was making a mistake. A lengthy discussion evolved where he strongly, strongly, strongly advised using only MOTORCYCLE oil in motorcycles. He says car oil won't lubricate well enough, especially the clutches and chains found in MC engines and that use of car oil will lead to the early failure of your MC engine. I mean this guy was convinced that the only oil for MC engines was one specifically labeled (and priced at 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 times the cost of the same weight car oil!) for motorcycles. I mentioned that the Kawa owner's manual says to use oil with a specific weight but doesn't say motorcycle oil only. He blew right past that. It's motorcycle oil or an early death for your engine, period. Here we go again. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:03:38 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904914218_boundary Content-ID: <0_904914218@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/3/98 9:42:02 PM EST, K650dsn@aol.com writes: << I have to agree with you. This winter I'm planning on making a "superlight" KLR650. Fairing will be removed, as will a sizeable portion of the rear subframe which is really heavy. Plans are a bit sketchy right now, but i will keep everyone posted on its progress. Gino >> Sounds like a good on-going set or articles for your NEW Newsletter. I have ofter thought about taking off the fairing, but I haven't decided what could be done about the headlight / instrument panel. Would be neat if we could go back and forth in less than an hour after all fabrications are done. Anyway, keep this idea moving.... MN Ron --part0_904914218_boundary Content-ID: <0_904914218@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay07.mx.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by air14.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:42:00 2000 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay07.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id WAA25847; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zElnH-000018-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:40:11 -0600 Received: from (imo13.mx.aol.com) [198.81.17.3] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zElnF-0007nN-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:40:09 -0600 Received: from K650dsn@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id RECDa25245; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:23:40 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: K650dsn@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-09-03 20:53:21 EDT, rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com writes: << It's bad enough seeing more and more plastic on sportbikes. Seeing it on DS bikes too is just another thinly veiled effort to get more bucks out of customers after the sale. >> I have to agree with you. This winter I'm planning on making a "superlight" KLR650. Fairing will be removed, as will a sizeable portion of the rear subframe which is really heavy. Plans are a bit sketchy right now, but i will keep everyone posted on its progress. Gino --part0_904914218_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Big Gun Exhaust Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:10:20 EDT I'm going into brain fade mode here. I'm not sure if I asked this yet or not. In the (not too-) distant past someone was talking to the Big Gun folks and waiting for the KLR version of their pipe to hit the welder. Did that in fact come to pass? When I check out their web-page, they mention a pipe for the KLR, but on the ordering page they don't. Just wanted to know if anyone followed through with this, and how it worked. MN Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) OIL again Date: 04 Sep 1998 07:04:09 -0600 I used to write operator and technical manuals for the Kawasaki Motors, U.S., distributorship in California, and there was no such nonsense in the manuals about "motorcycle" oils because the Akashi folks (in Japan) levied no such requirement. Oils only had to meet the API rating and weight. In fact, "motorcycle" oils can't even be found in most countries. Dr Robert The Evil Wizard r. kaub wrote: > Wednesday I stopped at Murray's Kawasaki in Scranton, PA. > (Those Base Service Manuals are still on back order guys.) > I talked with the service guy and we got into a discussion about oil...etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Headphones Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:50:07 EDT In a message dated 9/4/98 6:18:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner- klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > At 11:01 PM 9/3/98 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote: > >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > > > >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible > >to enjoy headphones on this bike. > >****************************************** > >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on > >the hunt"...I love it! > The bike is quiet but the wind noise can kill! Even with the wind noise music is possible. My wife and I use HJC Chatterbox helmet communicators. When moving to the KLRs, we missed the intercom that was built in to our Venture's radio. We purchased the communicators to maintain verbal communication while riding. This system has an input port for a Walkman or CD player and they even supply the cable. The music is played through the helmet headset. Any verbal communication cuts out the music so you can hear the other person. This system works very well for us. We are able to point out amazing things to each other while riding and still enjoy our music. We are using Nolan N90 helmets with the headphone system installed (they fit right in with little modification to the helmets). We have experienced little interference problems, mostly in heavy urban areas. Most interference is short lived - less than 30 seconds. This is an essential system for us as long as we are on seperate bikes. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) The big change Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:58:46 -0400 At 07:53 AM 9/3/98 -0600, Pokluda, Gino F wrote: >As most of you have probably heard by now, Kawasaki 650 Dual Sport News >will be changing to an "all-brands" publication with the >November/December issue. I hope this does not mean that I will loose the >KLR650 following. Gino - good market move, IMHO. As I learn more about the KLR I also find myself curious about Africa Twins, the grey import market, other riders on other bikes, etc. Plus, everytime your newsletter shows up I don't get any work done. That's a good thing...keep them coming and let me know how I can help you. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: snsi@win.bright.net Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Axles Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:03:12 +0000 > What is the torque settings for the front and rear axles for the > KLR? > > Thanks, > SteveH From "Assembly and Preparation Sheet Model KL650-A1" (P/No. 99931-1194-01) Front Axle Nut 58 ft-lb (8.0 kg-m) Rear Axle Nut 69 ft-lb (9.5 kg-m) Jeff Smith Barnes, WI '71 A-HD Sprint 350; '97 Kawasaki KLR650 (King o'La Road) "Beware the dirt bike ... Ground shaking dirt bike" TMBG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) OIL Date: 04 Sep 1998 08:20:34 -0600 the never ending argument...all dealers and part places have a vested interest to keep up the myth...one of the most informative articles follows and helps to raise the fog: http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/oil_faq.html r. kaub wrote: > Wednesday I stopped at Murray's Kawasaki in Scranton, PA. > (Those Base Service Manuals are still on back order guys.) > I talked with the service guy and we got into a discussion about oil. > I told him that I use good old Pennziol 10w40 and he said that I was making > a mistake. A lengthy discussion evolved where he strongly, strongly, > strongly advised using only MOTORCYCLE oil in motorcycles. He says car oil > won't lubricate well enough, especially the clutches and chains found in MC > engines and that use of car oil will lead to the early failure of your MC > engine. > I mean this guy was convinced that the only oil for MC engines was one > specifically labeled (and priced at 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 times the cost of the > same weight car oil!) for motorcycles. > I mentioned that the Kawa owner's manual says to use oil with a specific > weight but doesn't say motorcycle oil only. He blew right past that. It's > motorcycle oil or an early death for your engine, period. > Here we go again. Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vesannlewis@juno.com Subject: (klr650) Dual Sport News Date: 04 Sep 1998 07:32:50 -0700 I've enjoyed very much the KLR650 DSN. Because it is about my only interest in biking, I favor it. But the reason I have it is to take it on and off road, on rides I enjoy, and where I can get away and mingle with the trees. So, if some focus is devoted to rides and riding, I'll still enjoy it. And a bit of information about other bikes wouldn't hurt either. It's a good move as long as the original purpose is not entirely forgotten. If I can help some, out here in the SF Bay Area, I'm more than happy to do it. -Ves _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Barthell" Subject: Re: (klr650) Headphones Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:47:33 -0500 If anyone is interested in a setup like this, respond to me off the list. My wife and I used these for a while before moving on to CBs so I have a pair of these in the closet in the laundry room, I'd part with pretty reasonably. Jim Barthell -----Original Message----- >In a message dated 9/4/98 6:18:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner- >klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > >> At 11:01 PM 9/3/98 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote: >> >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) >> > >> >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it >impossible >> >to enjoy headphones on this bike. >> >****************************************** >> >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on >> >the hunt"...I love it! >> > >The bike is quiet but the wind noise can kill! Even with the wind noise music >is possible. My wife and I use HJC Chatterbox helmet communicators. When >moving to the KLRs, we missed the intercom that was built in to our Venture's >radio. We purchased the communicators to maintain verbal communication while >riding. This system has an input port for a Walkman or CD player and they even >supply the cable. The music is played through the helmet headset. Any verbal >communication cuts out the music so you can hear the other person. This system >works very well for us. We are able to point out amazing things to each other >while riding and still enjoy our music. We are using Nolan N90 helmets with >the headphone system installed (they fit right in with little modification to >the helmets). We have experienced little interference problems, mostly in >heavy urban areas. Most interference is short lived - less than 30 seconds. >This is an essential system for us as long as we are on seperate bikes. > >Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tank panniers and The archives. Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:04:23 -0600 -----Original Message----- >How do you mount the standard size Aero stitch panniers to the KLR?? > >I know that this has been asked about 3-4 times now but I just spent about >15 min. looking through the archives for the old posts and can't find them. >Is there anyway that the archives can be made searchable?? > > >Thanks >Chadd Thompson >chadd@accessus.net I've been working on the searchable thing and think I may have a nifty breakthrough..but..it is going to take some time. Meanwhile, the trick with the panniers is to make sure both straps are forward of the gas tank filler. I keep mine as low as I can with still enough room to put my feet on the driveline pegs. The panniers will work fine with Kawi Tank Bag...I also run a DualStar Co-Pilot with no interference. I attach the bungees to my Moose Bash Plate but they can go just about anywhere and are adjustable... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Acerbis Rally Hand Guards Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:20:54 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I wasn't thrilled about having to hacksaw my new guards to fit around the >Brake Master Cylinder, but it was easy. They do seem to protect the levers >very well. > >What is the deal with tightening up the throttle-side guard? Does not >seem possible with the way they are designed. Right now I just have it >loosely screwed in there or it binds the throttle. Did you guys use 'plan >B' on your guards? Meaning, you rigged up something different than on the >back of the instructions? I took my throttle off and trimmed it so that there was a space between the end of the bar and the throttle... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Motorcycle-specific oils Date: 04 Sep 1998 11:35:57 -0000 The problem with bikes is the clutch. I read an article on this some time ago, believe it was Gordon Jennings in Motorcyclist. To the best of my recollection, the clutch exhibits "shearing" actions on certain polymer molecules in the oil, breaking it down much faster than an engine without a wet clutch. Motorcycle-specific oils tend to have different types of polymers in them to protect against this shearing action. I do not know if they all do, or if some shoddy folks merely make this claim. My terms may be incorrect, some items above may be incorrect, but the key is, if you have a wet clutch, use a bike-specific oil. I've heard of people using Mobil1 in their bikes. Do they remember what it looked like when it came out of the bike? I did this once on a 4-cylinder streetbike, the shifting started getting notchy, so I figured, maybe I shouldn't be using this car stuff, better change the oil again. That Mobil1 came out the drain plug cascading like the case was filled with black water. I have always used Spectro for break-in, Golden Spectro once I get some miles on the bike. It is $5-$6 a quart, but our bikes don't hold that much oil anyway. Figure ~$20 an oil change with filter when you buy in bulk. It is money well spent in my opinion. Cheers... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: Re: (klr650) OIL again Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) I bought a new 1983 Honda 750 Interceptor when they came out and after the required break-in service I started using Castor Oil GTX 20-50. I rode the bike pretty hard much of the time and changed oil every 2000 mi. I experienced the cam follower wear problems the early VF750's were known for. Since it was reportedly a design problem I continued using the same oil and had the bike in for warranty repairs a second time with less than 7K miles on the clock. Factory modifications were made and bad parts were replaced, (I was told). About 10K miles later I inspected the cams and followers and found scoring on some cam lobes and followers. After reading a Magazine article about the history of the problem long after I had sold the bike I am pretty much convinced that the problem could have been avoided with a better quality oil like synthetics. The first two oil changes in my KLR650 were Golden Spectro and when cold starting there was a ticking noise from the head which went away after a few seconds. I switched to Honda HP4 and have not heard the noise since, but I also added Prolong oil treatment at the same time. I've since read some things about Prolong that make me question using it anymore. I'll be changing my oil again this weekend and will use the HP4 alone. I'll post a follow up report on my impressions. After reading that many of the other listers prefer Mobil 1, I may try it out after I consume the HP4. Conclusions so far? A high quality synthetic is the way to go for lubrication on my machines. IMHO == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tank Panniers. Date: 04 Sep 1998 10:23:35 -0600 > Kurt - have you noticed that the left side pannier blocks the air vent >in the shroud? I don't know if this is air-in (pre-radiator) or air-out >(post-rad) but I get ALOT of hot air running on my left shin/foot. At >times, it's almost unbearable. Any words of wisdom?? > >Mike Magier >97 KLR650 5500mi (first bike - lovin the bike, hating the company) I've had the same experience Mike especially in hot weather. I haven't found a solution other than to open my left leg to the wind. It doesn't seem to have any negative effect on the radiator/coolant temperature...It'll be great in the spring, winter, and fall... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) OEL Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:30:07 -0700 I know we have talked oil on this list almost dailey since I mentioned synthetic motorcycle oil in Feb. I think it was, and I know everyone has their own opinion ( I use Honda pro HP4 and pay the price, I use John Deere diesel specific oil in my mom's tractor, I use Mobil One in all my cars). If and when I tear down one of my engines they always look pristine inside. After having worked as a VW and Porsche mechanic for many years (air cooled engines are hell on lubricants...ask any aircraft tech) I will tell you I can spot a Pennzoil user as soon as the valve cover comes off! Pennsoil has a lot of parafin in it and if not changed VERY frequently, and hot when drained, it leaves a sludge in the motor that looks like black pudding. I wouldn't run Pennsoil in my lawn mower.....I don't care what Andy Granatelli says...no pudding for me. All of my aircooled cars have always had oil temp guages and auxilliary coolers on them (its a desert thing), the engine in my VW thing I built over 25 years ago, Ive lost track of how many miles are on it but well over 100k as it has been in 3 different cars. Last year It started to drip a little so I pulled it down while I had it out....looked brand new inside....didn't change any parts other than seals. Twenty five years of almost dailey abuse and it looks new, you can't argue with that. They run a good 10 degrees cooler on synthetic oil, you can't argue with that either. My boss at work builds and races dragsters and has for 40 years, he knows all the big boys. Lately he has been singing the praises of an additive called Prolong. He's real impressed. I don't know mif its safe for our bikes because if the wet clutch, but some one might look into it. Morgan San Diego ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:00:18 -0600 MCN recently again said that MC specific oils were nonsense. I read that Triumph ships standard Mobil 1 premeasured to it's dealers. They have wet clutches. However how about Mobil 1's new MC oils. Including "V Twin"? Wonder what they say the difference is? Bogdan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Motorcycle-specific oils Date: 04 Sep 1998 11:56:07 -0600 ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: > so I figured, maybe I shouldn't be using > this car stuff, better change the oil again. That Mobil1 came out the drain > plug cascading like the case was filled with black water. I use Mobil 1 in my cage engines and it also comes out the way you describe, even after a nominal service period. On the other hand, I get a 1-2 mpg mileage improvement in the 1800cc liquid cooled engines over comparable petroleum based oils, and the top-end components show much less varnish and other deposits when using Mobil 1. I don't use it in bikes except in BMWs with dry clutches. FWIW -- Dr Robert (On another slippery slope) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Barthell" Subject: (klr650) Octane Date: 04 Sep 1998 13:26:59 -0500 Debated just as much if not more than the oil type and level issues is the one of gasoline Octane. I have always used premium in my bikes and probably always will but at this point I have some arguments for the other side. I recently picked up a '98 4 liter Wrangler. As with all my vehicles I read the owners manual, It says, the vehicle was designed for 87 octane and a higher octane _could_ be detrimental to the motor. I had heard this before but never actually seen it in writing from a manufacturer. "Ok fine" I said to myself "I'll run regular in this puppy and give it a try". So I've had the Jeep for 3 or 4 weeks now and have over 5000 miles on it and it runs great. I'll continue to run 87 in it. I know when I run 87 in my KLR it runs like crap. Did I create this condition by running premium in it from the beginning? If I run several tanks of regular through it will it "get better?". Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) Motorcycle-specific oils Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:34:58 -0600 I've switched to mobil1 in all my vehicles...my wet clutch kawi takes mega abuse and mobil1 keeps it running cooler and with better mileage than i was getting with g/spectro...discoloration? nope....available everywhere? yep its pretty subjective but if paying 2-3X more much makes you feel better then its worth every penny. ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: > The problem with bikes is the clutch. I read an article on this some time > ago, believe it was Gordon Jennings in Motorcyclist. To the best of my > recollection, the clutch exhibits "shearing" actions on certain polymer > molecules in the oil, breaking it down much faster than an engine without a > wet clutch. Motorcycle-specific oils tend to have different types of > polymers in them to protect against this shearing action. I do not know if > they all do, or if some shoddy folks merely make this claim. > > My terms may be incorrect, some items above may be incorrect, but the key > is, if you have a wet clutch, use a bike-specific oil. I've heard of people > using Mobil1 in their bikes. Do they remember what it looked like when it > came out of the bike? I did this once on a 4-cylinder streetbike, the > shifting started getting notchy, so I figured, maybe I shouldn't be using > this car stuff, better change the oil again. That Mobil1 came out the drain > plug cascading like the case was filled with black water. > > I have always used Spectro for break-in, Golden Spectro once I get some > miles on the bike. It is $5-$6 a quart, but our bikes don't hold that much > oil anyway. Figure ~$20 an oil change with filter when you buy in bulk. It > is money well spent in my opinion. > > Cheers... -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from [Wayne Dennison ] Date: 04 Sep 1998 13:13:03 -0600 -----Original Message----- Dennison ] >>From tqmwayne@yahoo.com Fri Sep 04 12:22:57 1998 >Received: from (send102.yahoomail.com) [205.180.60.90] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zF0Vc-0003dc-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:22:56 -0600 >Message-ID: <19980904182318.2036.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> >Received: from [148.126.100.100] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:23:18 PDT >Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) >From: Wayne Dennison >Subject: Rear shock Rebuild....? >To: klr650@lists.xmission.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >I Live in the Phoenix, AZ area.... > >and just bought an '87 KLR650 > >The Rear shock is blown....and one of the front fork seals too.... > >I found a a company in town that can rebuild the Rear shock.... > > >I was told that they were too busy to help me out in the time frame I >wanted......but I could call any "RaceTech" Dealer and they would be >able to rebuild my stock shock for me.... > >I cannot find any other Racetech Dealer. > >I couldnt tell if this was the company name or the product name.... > >Anybody heard of Racetech Products? >Anybody heard of this Shock Rebuild working well? > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 04 Sep 1998 13:35:06 -0600 >I know when I run 87 in my KLR it runs like crap. Did I create this >condition by running premium in it from the beginning? If I run several >tanks of regular through it will it "get better?". > >Jim Jim, I ran 87 for the first 1700 miles on my A12 and always had knock under load...now gone with 91... Kurt (wish it weren't so) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:48:05 -0700 Jim here is my understanding of this issue. I work in the service dept at a Honda auto dealership as a service adviser, used to be the shop foreman, and as such the technical liason between HMC and our shop. I've had to deal with this a bit . This started here in Ca. with the reformulation of the fuel to include methyl tertery butyl ether. (MTBE). This is supposed to reduce the amount of CO out the tailpipe. Since most auto manufacturers have to contend with CA. emissions as the upper end benchmark for emissions engineering they have taken CA. fuel standards into consideration. Most cars sold in the U.S. now conform to CA. standards as well as Federal standards, Hondas do anyway. All new cars are fuel injected now and have been refined to run on unleaded fuel without damage to the valve seats or faces. High octane fuels availible now are primarily blended for cars originally ment to run on leaded fuel with carberation as the fuel management system, Consequently those higher grade fuels have additives in them to prevent valve seat wear more so than the lower octane fuels. The fuel injected cars will have a tendency to load up with the higher octane blends if only driven on short hops where the sensors never get warm enough to reach their threshold. Its like leaving the choke on all the time in a carberated car. It leaves soft carbon in the combustion chamber which keeps the intake valves from sealing and sometimes floods the car. For the last 3 or 4 years we have had the federal govt. standardizing emissions standards and procedural guide lines. OBD-1 was the first recent hurdle. OBD stand for "on board diagnostics." It standardized all different manufacturers technical terminology and computer diagnostic equipment datalink connections. The independent repair shops would have to have dozens of different breakout computers before this. OBD-2 went on to set computer standards on emissions levels on a federal level, and to standardize emissions proceedures with respect to engineered systems (if you leave the gas cap loose on a OBD-2 car it will turn the "check engine light" on). The OBD-2 cars are tweaked to run on lower octane with no lead. Our klrs need higher octane fuel as a result of compression requirements and I suspect cylinder head temp. Honda as a corporate entity is very careful to stop short of reccomending one brand of fuel over another for letigious reasons, however the tech engineers we talk to when problems arise tell us to tell people to use a fuel with techron addivives in it. Chevron is the only fuel with this as far as I know. They do sell a concentrate bottle if you want to mix it yourself. Now if you want to discuss the petrochemical/political issues involved in who got paid off, by whom and toward what end....thats a whole other story. One of the more scandalous side stories to the MTBE saga is the fact that this crap is very toxic to wildlife (or tamelife) in ground water....they are already finding it in Lake Tahoe! It also promotes the rapid deterioration of rubber seals and fuel lines not specially treated for it. Like older cars and motor cycles. The fire hazard ( which has been faulted in numerous car fires in CA.) was omitted from the report sent to the Ca. assembly to get this stuff originally approved. The assemblyman (don't remember who it was) said we Californians owed it to the oil industry for having invested so much money in a factory to make it. Starting to smell a rat here? Morgan its what you DON'T read in the papers thats REALLY SCARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: (klr650) Car Oil Vs. Motorcycle Oil (again) Date: 04 Sep 1998 15:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Gordon Jennings writes in the October issue of Motorcyclist about this on-going issue. Basically the federal DOE has mandated that motor oils now must contain friction modifiers for low fluid drag which will yield a reduction in fuel consumption: initially a 1.5% reduction and now a 2.7% reduction. Friction modifiers make the oil more slippery, which is not good for motorcycle starter motors and wet clutches. Jennings states that, "the API service catagories SH and SJ Energy Conserving motor oils should be labled 'Motorcyclist Beware'. Jennings opines that motorcyclists can avoid trouble by buying no motor oils thinner than SAE 10W40, as he's seen no energy-conserving qualities claimed for the thicker grade oils. Jennings further states that the 10W40 and 20W50 oils should keep a bike's clutches healthy, and that thicker oils are better for transmission gear teeth FWIW Jim - Palmdale. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: RE: (klr650) KLX mods? Date: 04 Sep 1998 17:14:24 -0600 Mike Ratta writes: >Any KLX owners recommend any motor mods for this bike? Also has anyone >swapped the rear damper and swingarm from the KLX650A model onto the C >model? Its a nice aluminum swingarm and the damper is adjustable. TIA You don't want to go there! After close to $2300 of engine work, My KLX650C is extreamly unreliable now. I tried the White Brothers all around cam, would not start, Had the cams reworked -- because white brothers would not take them back, used part you know -- by Mega cycle cam....still would not start, Almost back to stock specs, still will not start with out either. When started it runs GREAT!! Dynoed at 42 HP, but will only start if left in the sun for hours on a 100 degree day. The engine is close to perfect, look at maybe carb changes (Keline 41mm FCR from the Yamaha WR400 or so). Maybe look at MegaMax exhaust. I have found the exhaust is interchangeable between the KLX650R and the KLX650C from the header back. K&N is about a good as it is going to get....if you want to stay reliable. My personal opinion is that there is $0 going into R&D for Kawasaki 650's. You might consider Quality Engine R&D is your best bet. Steve can be reached at 334-693-9203 Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy (but not by much) '95 KLX250/321 - Just call me yellow britches '95 K1100RS - Mileage Monster '92 TDM850 - Dual sport of course ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Car Oil Vs. Motorcycle Oil (again) Date: 04 Sep 1998 17:15:03 -0700 -----Original Message----- Jennings opines that motorcyclists can avoid trouble by buying no motor oils thinner than SAE 10W40, the 10W40 and 20W50 oils should keep a bike's clutches healthy, and that thicker oils are better for transmission gear teeth Jim - Palmdale. ====================== I guess this leaves out the new 0W-30 synthetic I recently saw......I think it was Mobil, and they made strong claims for suitability. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Height of new windscreen Date: 04 Sep 1998 20:55:46 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 12:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart@heaslet.com writes: << What size Clearview windscreen should I buy to move airflow above my head? I'm 6 feet tall, and the factory windshield seems to direct air to my nose >> I have a +10" Clearview that justs gets the wind over my extra large helment. I am 5'-8" tall and ride in an upright position. I can still see over the top of the windshield (barely) so rain is not a problem. My gripe with the Clearview is that it is too narrow and the wind still buffets my head from the sides unless you lean far forward. This creates a lot of wind noise which bothers me but may not be a concern for others. Greg A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 04 Sep 1998 20:03:15 -0500 (CDT) >I know when I run 87 in my KLR it runs like crap. Did I create this >condition by running premium in it from the beginning? If I run several >tanks of regular through it will it "get better?". > >Jim I don't know, Jim. I ran 87 in my 97 for the first year and then switched to higher octane in the middle of a long road trip, and was amazed at the difference. The bike was noticeably smoother and more powerful. Of course, when those long polymers in my Mobil 1 shear, I'll be right back to square 1.... Tom Clay Winnipeg MB Canadian KLR's don't need no steenking motorcycle oil..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 04 Sep 1998 20:31:03 -0600 > MTBE is another way that the government allows petroleum companies to sell (and tax) "air" in place of fuel (BTUs) since part of the chemical composition of MTBE includes more available-oxygen compounds and fewer hydrogen compounds, by volume, and produces a blend which runs hotter in most engines but ironically produces less horsepower per unit volume. It is a waste of time (and money, and other things) in engines which employ decent closed-loop fuel injection with O2 sensing. We tested high-altitude carburetted engines here in Colorado and found that while the CO was usually reduced somewhat, the HC tuypicaly increased, and when the lower MPG was factored in we found about a 15% net increase in HC emissions in ppm, which contributes to the photochemical smog that Denver is known for. But the Feds were after Colorado about CO, and so the program to reduce CO brought about an increase in HC with correspondingly worse "brown cloud." The fire issue is a good one, since many of the fire suppression systems in fuel storage facilities were not rated for the effects of hotter fuels. It tends to overheat air-cooled engines, as well. FWIW Dr Robert Robert Morgan wrote: > > One of the more scandalous side stories to the MTBE saga is the fact > that this crap is very toxic to wildlife (or tamelife) in ground > water....they are already finding it in Lake Tahoe! It also promotes the > rapid deterioration of rubber seals and fuel lines not specially treated for > it. Like older cars and motor cycles. The fire hazard ( which has been > faulted in numerous car fires in CA.) was omitted .......etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WKPII@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Is Ed Tam out there? Date: 04 Sep 1998 23:46:07 EDT Ed, Your friend Dave Funk says hello. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) Tank Panniers. Date: 05 Sep 1998 07:03:09 -0400 I feel the hot air off of the radiator on my left inner calf as well. I don't even have panniers. I don't think that vent does much if anything. Todd (just into 5 digits on A11) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) OIL Date: 05 Sep 1998 07:44:17 -0400 There's a guy on the CBR900 list that now has over 200k miles on the original motor. No engine work of any kind has been needed. He has used plain old Castrol 10W-40 for the life of the bike, with frequent changes. I'll continue to use Mobil 1 in my bikes so I can extend the drain intervals. However, a good dino oil like Castrol appears to be all a motor needs. Just avoid the low weight oils that have the energy star on the container. They purportedly have lower levels high pressure additives to extend the life of the catalytic converter. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 05 Sep 1998 08:02:44 -0400 We had a thread on octane last winter where I played devil's advocate and argued the merits of running low octane. My Chevy manual says to run an octane low enough to get occasional light pinging. An engineer I know who did combustion research told me that practice was to scrub off carbon deposits and keep the combustion chamber clean. I think we all agreed it's safer to run a higher octane in our bikes and avoid the potential for engine damaging knock. With wind noise, helmets, and earplugs, there's no way to tell much of the time if engine is lightly pinging or knocking or humming along merrily. A higher octane is cheap insurance to avoid damage from severe knock, and an additive like Techron will keep carbon deposits at bay. I've heard rumors that Techron use can thin oil. Just a rumor probably. If you add it out of a bottle, consider using right before you change the oil, rather than right after. As far as MTBE goes, I agree it's a scourge upon all living things. I've got friends who feel their bikes run better on lower octaned MTBE fuels. During one winter when it was mandated here, I fortunately had the option of riding 10 miles to the county line and getting non-oxygenated fuel. If I was stuck having to run that crap in my bike I would be firing off letters to my congresswarts every time I filled up my tank. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Eldredge Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #221 Date: 05 Sep 1998 09:55:51 -0700 I've seen pictures of KLRs with a low front fender. Does anyone know the make and model? Scott Eldredge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) First service Date: 05 Sep 1998 13:17:58 -0400 I just scheduled my first service at a local dealer. He said if i bring it in the morning, he'll get it back to me by afternoon. Awesome! I was so excited my bike was not going to be in the shop for 2 weeks that forgot to ask what items do they 'adjust' on the first service anyways? Any bad experiences? Do I have to have it done to keep warranty? BTW, for the oil he said run Spectrol 20W-50 in the bike always, its not optional... Steve A12 - No Plates :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #221 Date: 05 Sep 1998 10:50:24 -0700 -----Original Message----- >I've seen pictures of KLRs with a low front fender. Does anyone know the make >and model? > >Scott Eldredge >============================ I just declined an Acerbis front fender. ($25,color was black) I was thinking of putting the low fender on but decided not to. It came with no mounting hardware at all. My original understanding was that Acerbis does have a fender that fits and includes universal mounting hardware with it. You could check with Fred Hink. ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Brake pad replacement Date: 05 Sep 1998 13:23:51 -0600 I am going to be purchasing the dunlop pads, as everyone commented they are the best, but I was wondering how much life everyone else is getting from the OEM pads. thanks, Brian klr650(3958km) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) First service Date: 05 Sep 1998 15:07:05 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I just scheduled my first service at a local dealer. He said if i bring it >in the morning, he'll get it back to me by afternoon. Awesome! > >I was so excited my bike was not going to be in the shop for 2 weeks that >forgot to ask what items do they 'adjust' on the first service anyways? >Any bad experiences? Do I have to have it done to keep warranty? > >BTW, for the oil he said run Spectrol 20W-50 in the bike always, its not >optional... > >The owner's manual which you don't have would have given you a clue, but basically the idea is to check the bike to make sure all bolts are snug; check all cables to make sure they are adjusted correctly and running smooth; change the oil and filter; adjust the balancer chain. The big one that they will probably hose you on is check the valve adjustment. It is supposed to be down now but a lot of dealers will tell you that they never check the KLR until 3,000 miles. Hogwash, I checked my own and had to replace to shims. Other listers have had the same experience. What they won't do but I would and did is to change the fork oil. While you are at it you could pop in some progressive springs...and enjoy a much firmer front suspension. You have to do the service or have it done. I do my own work and documented it with receipts and digital camera pics. He's pulling your leg about the Spectro...the KLR manual leaves it pretty much wide open... Kurt A12 >A12 - No Plates :( > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from [Todd Zegras ] Date: 05 Sep 1998 16:45:50 -0600 -----Original Message----- ] >>From toddz@progstrat.com Wed Sep 02 17:50:57 1998 >Received: from (gauntlet.progstrat.com) [209.218.51.130] (firewall-user) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zEMfx-0006L9-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:50:57 -0600 >Received: by gauntlet.progstrat.com; id TAA08138; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:53:05 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from toddz.nyo.progstrat.com(38.248.185.17) by gauntlet.progstrat.com via smap (3.2) > id xma008136; Wed, 2 Sep 98 19:52:51 -0400 >Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:49:19 -0400 >Message-ID: <01BDD6AA.C5F69D60.toddz@progstrat.com> >From: Todd Zegras >To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: auxilary lighting >Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:49:14 -0400 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 >Encoding: 4 TEXT > >I'm looking to potentially add on driving lights to my '89 KLR and have not >found any information on how to do so short of welding on permanent steel >bars somehow and mounting them on to that. Anyone out there done this or >know of a way it can be done? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Re: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ] Date: 05 Sep 1998 16:47:55 -0600 > >long shot here: > >anybody ever strip out the threads in the head that accept the head = >cover (valve cover) bolts? i did, then bought a helicoil, put it in, = >and attempted to put the bolt in but it was real snug but i kept going = >anyway (doh) and the bolt snapped pretty easily (doh), leaving the bolt = >in there waiting to be drilled out (doh doh). It's drilled now, and i'm = >just wondering if anyone might know what size tap/helicoil might fit = >better. pretty sure it's just a hair bigger than what i used and i = >shouldn't have a problem, but thought i'd ask, as well as offer my = >experience up for the wise(r). > >_pete >97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: (klr650) Re: Getting aHead (cover) screwed back on. Date: 05 Sep 1998 15:56:28 -0700 Hmmm, I have a similar problem. My KACR flew apart, and took out my valve cover. On a more positive note, The damn thing still runs fine! I was cautious and took it home on the truck and took it apart, cleaning all the little bits of metal out of the top end. Then it fired right up! God I love this bike. I'll also tell ya what this MIGHT mean: That the KACR is not necessary. I say MIGHT because I havn't measured the compression yet. I will try to do that tomorrow. I'm pretty sure that it's fine though and I have a buddy who starts his XR-650 all the time without using the (manual) comp release. Back to the topic at hand, it pulled the bolt out of the head cover and it was already helicoiled so it pulled that out too. And cracked the little post there too. Am I fucked or what? I was thinking I could probably get a machinst to mill off the post, weld on a new piece and drill and tap it in just the right place. Or I could try to tap what's left and put a helicoil in a helicoil. Whatdya all think? Thanks! b Kurt Simpson wrote: > > > >long shot here: > > > >anybody ever strip out the threads in the head that accept the head = > >cover (valve cover) bolts? i did, then bought a helicoil, put it in, = > >and attempted to put the bolt in but it was real snug but i kept going = > >anyway (doh) and the bolt snapped pretty easily (doh), leaving the bolt = > >in there waiting to be drilled out (doh doh). It's drilled now, and i'm = > >just wondering if anyone might know what size tap/helicoil might fit = > >better. pretty sure it's just a hair bigger than what i used and i = > >shouldn't have a problem, but thought i'd ask, as well as offer my = > >experience up for the wise(r). > > > >_pete > >97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from [Todd Zegras ] Date: 05 Sep 1998 16:59:24 -0600 -----Original Message----- [Todd Zegras ] > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com >To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com >Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:51 PM >Subject: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from [Todd Zegras >] > > >>>From toddz@progstrat.com Wed Sep 02 17:50:57 1998 >>Received: from (gauntlet.progstrat.com) [209.218.51.130] (firewall-user) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) >> id 0zEMfx-0006L9-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:50:57 -0600 >>Received: by gauntlet.progstrat.com; id TAA08138; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:53:05 -0400 >(EDT) >>Received: from toddz.nyo.progstrat.com(38.248.185.17) by gauntlet.progstrat.com via >smap (3.2) >> id xma008136; Wed, 2 Sep 98 19:52:51 -0400 >>Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:49:19 -0400 >>Message-ID: <01BDD6AA.C5F69D60.toddz@progstrat.com> >>From: Todd Zegras >>To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" >>Subject: auxilary lighting >>Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:49:14 -0400 >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 >>Encoding: 4 TEXT >> >>I'm looking to potentially add on driving lights to my '89 KLR and have not >>found any information on how to do so short of welding on permanent steel >>bars somehow and mounting them on to that. Anyone out there done this or >>know of a way it can be done? >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Re: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ] Date: 05 Sep 1998 17:00:13 -0600 -----Original Message----- ["Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ] > >> >>long shot here: >> >>anybody ever strip out the threads in the head that accept the head = >>cover (valve cover) bolts? i did, then bought a helicoil, put it in, = >>and attempted to put the bolt in but it was real snug but i kept going = >>anyway (doh) and the bolt snapped pretty easily (doh), leaving the bolt = >>in there waiting to be drilled out (doh doh). It's drilled now, and i'm = >>just wondering if anyone might know what size tap/helicoil might fit = >>better. pretty sure it's just a hair bigger than what i used and i = >>shouldn't have a problem, but thought i'd ask, as well as offer my = >>experience up for the wise(r). >> >>_pete >>97KLR650 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: (klr650) Moto Line Date: 05 Sep 1998 18:49:22 -0500 Anyone happen to know the number to Moto Line? Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Rottenberg Subject: (klr650) Low Front fender for KLR Date: 05 Sep 1998 19:51:53 -0500 Scott and Eric Acerbis' front fender DOES come with hardware, eric, you sould take it back to the place where you got it. I've got a white low fender in my 95. it's an UFO, I believe it looks the same than Acerbis. I paid around $25/30 for it. In my opinion, It looks pretty damn good !! >>I've seen pictures of KLRs with a low front fender. Does anyone know the >make >>and model? >> >>Scott Eldredge >>============================ > > I just declined an Acerbis front fender. ($25,color was black) I was >thinking of putting the low fender on but decided not to. It came with no >mounting hardware at all. > My original understanding was that Acerbis does have a fender that fits >and includes universal mounting hardware with it. > You could check with Fred Hink. > >ericR Steve (Who's closing a deal on a '98 bandit 1200 on tuesday, my first kinda-fast bike) Steve Rottenberg Tuca en IRC (Undernet) Email: tuca@tampabay.rr.com Don't take life so seriously ... it's not permanent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Car vs. bike oils Date: 05 Sep 1998 22:29:53 -0000 Alright! Enough already! Sorry for trying to assist. I was only attempting to forward info I obtained some time ago regarding the issue. I only retain what is pertinent, 1 - wet clutch + car oil = bad, 2 - SJ rating bad for bikes. I don't really need to remember the why, how, what or when, just good and bad. To those who obviously know more about the subject than I do, maybe you could compose an article Gino & Bill could place on the web site (and, of course, in the new Dual Sport News) for future questions on the subject. Just a suggestion... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Car vs. bike oils Date: 05 Sep 1998 19:50:47 -0700 aw come on can't we go around one more...please...just for old time sake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: West Hovland Subject: Re: (klr650) Octane Date: 05 Sep 1998 20:10:21 -0300 Jim Barthell wrote: > > > I know when I run 87 in my KLR it runs like crap. Did I create this > condition by running premium in it from the beginning? If I run several > tanks of regular through it will it "get better?". > > I don't think so Jim. My 93' always pinged with low octane fuel. I ran premium or atleast 89 in it. The KLR's have been known to do this. Keep running the good stuff and be happy that your getting 50+ MPG West ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) DS News Date: 05 Sep 1998 23:41:28 -0400 As editor of the "Florida Dual-Sporter", the Withlacoochee dual Sport Riders Newsletter(Florida's ONLY dual sport club) I will gladly be your contributing Southeast editor, keeping everyone abreast of the dual sport activities here in the southeast. Since we already cover South carolina, Georgia, Florida, and are moving into Alabama and hopefully Mississippi, we can contribute a comprehensive report for Sothern Dual Sporting, including our Sothern Dual Sport Rides D/S Calander. If you'd like the help, let me know and we'll work it out... Robert WDSRC Florida USA 96 KTM RXC620 93 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Watkins4" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Line Date: 05 Sep 1998 23:52:16 -0600 Hi Chadd ....... Looking for Moto Line.......? ? Try the following numbers...... 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , and 9. I'm not sure of the exact order but I don't think it starts with 0. Hope this helps...... Dave Watkins KLR Less in Calgary :-[[ >Anyone happen to know the number to Moto Line? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Watkins4" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ] Date: 05 Sep 1998 23:59:29 -0600 Just a quick note on Heli-coils..... ........ for every size "original" bolt there is a corresponding drill, tap and coil size to ensure that everything goes back as originally intended. Check with the supplier or find someone that has a complete kit. The specs should be included in the kit...... Sorry I don't have any info or access .... Dave Watkins KLR less in Calgary... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Oil level controversy Date: 06 Sep 1998 07:21:45 EDT Regarding the correct oil level for the KLR, it would seem that from a design standpoint that the engineer would first select the desired oil level in the engine so that it would be at the proper height to allow sufficient lubrication. Then the volume would be determined for this height, say 2.2 liters. Then he would add the amount of oil that would always be absorbed in the oil filter and the amount that sits in the oil filter cavity that never drains down into the engine. He would determine this amount and add it to the previous 2.2 liter number to come up with the total volume needed when doing an oil and filter change. Suppose he calculated (or incorrectly assumed) that this additional volume is 0.3 liters. The total would be 2.5 liters for oil and filter changes and 2.2 liters for oil changes only. We all know that 2.5 liters puts the oil level way above the sight glass even with the filter change. However, 2.2 liters fills the level exactly to the upper line in the sight glass, at least on my bike. What I am getting at is that maybe the sight glass is at the correct level but that the 0.3 liters additional oil for the filter was incorrectly determined. Most of the information I have read on the list has assumed that the 2.5 liter quantity was the factual truth and that the sight glass was instaled too low on the right engine case. I would like to throw out for speculation that maybe the sight glass and the 2.2 liter volume are correct and the 2.5 liter volume is incorrect. I am willing to write to Kawasai to get this straightened out if nobody else has. If anyone has factory information please share it with the list. This is an important subject that needs to resolved. Greg, A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) KLR low front fender Date: 06 Sep 1998 09:42:58 -0400 Eldon Carl uses the low front fender in the summer time as he feels it gives better cooling. Eldon is not "on-line" but his address and phone number are at the end of the "Technical article" Adjusting KLR valves on the KLR web page. I believe he uses a fender from Acerbis line - will have to check with Eldon or check a past issue of KLR Dual Sport News that has some information on the catalog number. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) dunlop pads Date: 06 Sep 1998 09:44:53 -0400 I have been using the Dunlop pads (front and rear) for about 16k and they still have plenty of wear left. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) simple cooling aids? Date: 06 Sep 1998 11:07:24 EDT Howdy, Over the past couple of days there have been a couple of ideas indirectly expressed on how to help cool an engine. Like using syn. oils, and relocating the front fender, for example. What are some other easy mods that can be done to help? What is the highest ratio I want to use for coolant/water in the radiator? What is a good oil to use on a bike for cooling aid? Thanks in advance, Steve(who usually has no problem being cool) 98 R/XC 620 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ] Date: 06 Sep 1998 08:53:22 -0700 As I've mentioned here before I wrenched on VWs for many years. I have seen all order of pulled, stripped, crossthreaded, and just down right missing threads in alloy cases. Helicoils do work rather well. However I think Kleencert makes a superior product. Their inserts are a thinwall sleeve threaded inside and out with a lip on the inside edge of the inner end. When installed, the lip rolls outward to seat the insert in the parent material, preventing it from backing out when the bolt is removed repeatedly. These worked extremely well in spark plug hole applications where helicoils will almost always back out with the plug. Another advantage over helicoils is that you can loctite kleencerts in place. They are however harder to find than helicoils. Morgan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil level controversy Date: 06 Sep 1998 12:02:52 -0700 At to the whole oil lever thing, all I know is that I put two quarts of Mobil One in and it comes up to the top of the glass, and in the 28,000 miles I have been running the bike like this I have not siezed a piston not have I screwed up my cam bearings. That is realy just about all I need to know. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) simple cooling aids? Date: 06 Sep 1998 10:00:19 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Howdy, > >Over the past couple of days there have been a couple of ideas indirectly >expressed on how to help cool an engine. Like using syn. oils, and relocating >the front fender, for example. > >What are some other easy mods that can be done to help? >What is the highest ratio I want to use for coolant/water in the radiator? >What is a good oil to use on a bike for cooling aid? > >Thanks in advance, >Steve(who usually has no problem being cool) >98 R/XC 620 > >======================================== You asked ...'what can be done to help?' Question: Is something wrong (overheat)? I suggest you not mention the idea of oil as a cooling aid. All we need is for some oil company exec to wonder if there'd be a market there. I can see it now ; " Polymer Breakthrough! New improved Sludgemo oil, with secret additive FRG-U, keeps your engine running cooler than other leading brands!" Look, it wouldn't matter if you ran the engine in a hole in the ground, used it to power a Macy's Day Parade float, or had air scoops a foot wide on the engine. What controls engine temp is the thermostat and thermostatic-sensor that turns on the fan. You don't want to aid cooling if it would result in below-normal operating temp. That would be no aid at all. If you specifically want the engine to be cooler, taking out the thermostat would do it. (our engines have thermostats I assume) Assuming adequate system capacity, the engine should run the same temp (practically speaking) across Death Valley or across town on a cool winter day. You might possibly want additional cooling to deal with a problem like vapor lock (in Death Valley) or if the bike was on fire. As far as removing or altering body parts....would you take the hood off your car or remove the grill to 'aid cooling' ? ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: Re: (klr650) Brake pad replacement Date: 06 Sep 1998 12:17:18 -0500 (CDT) > I am going to be purchasing the dunlop pads, as everyone > commented they are the best, but I was wondering how much life > everyone else is getting from the OEM pads. I just replaced the original pads on my KLR with 11k on the odo. There was about 2mm of friction material left on the old OEM pads that I removed. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M. King" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil level controversy Date: 06 Sep 1998 12:47:42 -0500 >incorrect. I am willing to write to Kawasai to get this straightened out if >nobody else has. If anyone has factory information please share it with the >list. This is an important subject that needs to resolved. >Greg, A2 > > Actually this has already been done when this 'controversy' was brought up several months ago. Kawasaki said 'Go by the sight glass.' It's in the archives if anyone wants to look it up. Guys this is a no-brainer. What other vehicle have you ever gone by anything but the full mark on the dipstick or glass? In the 10 or so vehicles I've changed oil in, the amount listed in the manual 'never' matched the amount you ended up putting in. There are too many variables to get an exact figure. Oil filters have different capacities based on the amount of filter material, gunk accumulates at the bottom of your pan that never comes out, residual oil hangs about in nooks and crannies. That's why there 'is' a full mark. Basically it goes like this: Drain oil. Replace filter. Add oil to full mark. Run engine for 60 seconds or so. Check oil level and add up to full mark if needed. That's it. You guys are making this much harder than it is. I'll get off my soapbox now. David M. King ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) simple cooling aids? Date: 07 Sep 1998 07:01:20 +1000 NILSTIAR@aol.com wrote: [...] > What are some other easy mods that can be done to help? > What is the highest ratio I want to use for coolant/water in the radiator? The manual would say 50/50, but you could get away with 33/67 mix for improved coolant heat transfer. Coolant concentrate (mainly glycol) has only about one third the heat transfer ability of water. OTOH, if the bike won't be left in freezing temps, you could use racing corrosion inhibitor instead of glycol based coolant concentrate. An inhibitor mix may be 10/90 or less, allowing more water to do it's job. This inhibitor is used in racing not just for it's heat transfer, but because it isn't as slippery as glycol when spilled on tarmac. Good inhibitors also advertise a "vapour phase" anti corrosion ability ie when you drain the system and leave it closed, the remainder inside will still protect the system internals. With the small coolant capacity of our bikes, it's not a lot a expense to change back to a glycol coolant when ambient temps drop enough. This would make a much bigger difference than changing oil brand. Don't R/XC 620s have a fan? Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pippo Nicotera Subject: (klr650) Hy everybody and info on KLR Date: 07 Sep 1998 01:16:57 +0100 Hi everybody on the list!!! I need some help from you all, so even if this message is long and boring, I hope someone will go through it anyway! I'm pretty new on this list, but I've been reading you all for a couple of weeks now, and I can tell you I' m learning something new every day... it's a great list: I couldn't find more valuable info even on specialized magazines! This is because everyone is doing his best to be useful to the others, but I feel that a special thank you must go to Bill for mantaining the Home Page, to Gino that, I believe, started the whole thing and publishes the KLR650 DSN, and to Kurt for taking care of the Mail List (Strictly in alphabetical order!) I'm writing this message from Italy, (Guys, I read you talking about wonderful paths there in the U.S.... while in my part of Italy it's really difficult to find beautiful non-paved roads!) where there has been a boom for DS bikes back in the Eighties, while now the whole market is for Sportbikes or Customs (H.D. rules!). This makes very difficult to find after-market parts for D.S... well, apart of Honda XRs & Yamaha XT/TT or big Enduros like the Africa Twin, the SuperTenere or the Transalp, which are very common over here, but are more suitable for highways than for anything else! So I often find myself longing for a newer, bigger bike like those mentioned above, but I cannot afford them now (You know, just married, trying to buy a house etc etc!) so I prefer to try to improve a bit my old, but trusty bike... which one do I own? KLR, of course, but a 600, not a 650! I know that most of you have a 650, but maybe some owned a 600 in the past or you may know other peoples with a 600 and without Internet access!!! Here in Italy the KLR 650 is quite hard to find and even the 600 isn't the most popular D.S. bike... I never figured the reason, since you all know that the thumper that moves them has been the most advanced available among D.S. af any brand... but that's the way it is, so... I really like the thing, but as I said before, I would like to improve it a bit, and some good advice from anyone that has tried the upgrades, or knows about peoples that have done so, or simply knows if it will work on a 600, will be of the greatest value! Let's start with the questions... - K&N Air Filter: The application charts I've found tell that the KA6589 is o.k. for KLR600... I ordered one (White Bros) and discovered that it's actually the KLR650 filter! Now I'm modifying my air box to fit it because I believe that a true K&N direct replacement for the 600 stock filter doesn't even exist! Any info or comments about this? Has anyone already put a KA6589 into a KLR600 Airbox??? - Dynojet Kit : As soon as I install the K&N filter, I'll install the Kit I've bought (Same order from W.B...I've got their catalogs!) does anyone know what I can expect on a 600??? Does anybody know of any special setting for the 600? The kit it's the same as the 650... but this time I'm sure it'll fit: it's written on the kit box! - Exhaust : I'm planning to replace the stock exhaust system with an Hi-Performance one, but I'm pretty unsure about which to get. I know that most of you have a Supertrapp Exhaust but: the E.A.R. Exhaust is a little bit old looking (O.K....The whole KLR 600 it's old looking!) even if its performances are well known. The I.D.S. Exhaust is much nicer but a technician here told me that its performance is in no way comparable with the External Disk System mainly because of the small 3" disks used instead of the 4" units. He also suggested me to get an alternative External Disk System and told me that he tried the new White Brothers E-Series Aluminum Silencer (Oval-shaped External Disk) on several singles: it looks great and its performance is at the top! The problem is they don't make a KLR version and one should go with the universal one! Any info on this subject? What about IDS vs. E.A.R. Supertrapp performance? What's the setting you use on the IDS & the E.A.R.(With K&N + Dynojet) Has anyone you know tried the W.B. E-Series Exhaust on a KLR? Was it difficult to adapt? Other things like Cobra you cannot find them over here! - Skid Plate : Most of you have the "Moose" Skid Plate... I would like to replace the tiny stock one with the sturdy Moose... do you know if they have a KLR600 version? Do you think a 650 version could be suitable? Where can I find it? W.B. doesn't seem to carry it in stock! - Fork Springs : I'm going to order the Progressive Suspension Fork Springs can anyone confirm they are the same for 600 / 650??? - Windshield : I would like to add a universal windshield to support the + Low Fender stock tiny fairing... something like the National Cycles Street Shield (I think this is the name of the small one).I also would like (but I'm not too sure!) to replace the stock front fender with a low one. Do you know where can I find any picture showing a KLR with one of these items on??? - Valve Adjust. : I'm about go into my first attempt at valve clearance adj. on my bike, but I read so many Horror stories about stripping the valve cover bolt threads. Are they really so fragile? Those of you that had this accident, had a torque driver or the problem was overtightening them? What's EXACTLY an "Helicoil"??? I couldn't find anything like that here in Italy! Even W.B. doesn't seem to have them... where do you buy them??? How much do they cost??? - Mail Orders : I've only the W.B. catalogs currently... many of you had written that W.B. isn't the cheapest of all vendors... is there any other catalog I can get??? How??? Is there any other good vendor on the Internet??? Which is the Address??? And now a question for Gino... How many KLR650 DSN back issues are there??? Are them available in any "Electronic" form? Do I eventually have any alternative to the payment by check, since to make a check from here would be a bit difficult? The same applies to the subscription I'm planning to start. O.K. I cannot think of any other question (For the moment!!!) and also I see this message is already TOO LONG, so I'll stop writing NOW! Just, please, given the lenght of this message, if anyone wants to answer me, don't quote it too much or we'll lose some really valuable bandwidth! Better yet, don't quote it at all! It'll be O.K. anyway! I know that it's a lot of questions, but I couldn't think of a better audience to ask them! I hope not to disturb you too much... you can flame/blame me if you prefer! Waiting for any info from your side! Kind regards, Pippo (Who's struggling to put a 650 K&N Filter into a 600 airbox), Italy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Hy everybody and info on KLR Date: 06 Sep 1998 21:07:57 -0400 >What's EXACTLY an "Helicoil"??? I couldn't find anything like that >here in Italy! Even W.B. doesn't seem to have them... where >do you buy them??? How much do they cost??? Try- http://www.viteq.qc.ca/recoil1.htm Recoil and Helicoil work pretty much the same way. Both work, from what I've heard. There's a few places on the web that sell them. The above is only an example and isn't the best necessarily. I used a calibrated torque wrench and still managed to strip the threads for the valve cover. My guess is the previous owner had overtorqued them. To repair the threads I used some thread repair material available at the hardware store. It's that stuff that looks like a fine cheese grater. It comes in small flat sheets and is perforated stainless steel. I cut a very small piece, twisted it into shape and tapped it into the hole. I used a dental pick to form it out enough to get the screw started. The bolts hold fine now. I've got the thread repair kit now so I can do a proper repair next time I take off the valve cover. That could be years the way KLR valves hold up. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re: 1st Service Date: 06 Sep 1998 21:55:22 -0400 Steve wrote:>>>>>> I just scheduled my first service at a local dealer. He said if i bring it in the morning, he'll get it back to me by afternoon. Awesome! I was so excited my bike was not going to be in the shop for 2 weeks that forgot to ask what items do they 'adjust' on the first service anyways? Any bad experiences? Do I have to have it done to keep warranty? <<<<<< Steve: This dealer may be trying to pull a fast one. The Kawa 1st service on the KLR calls for a check of the valve clearances if I recall correctly. The motor needs to be stone cold for that which should mean an overnighter for your KLR. Be certain to ask what service items they are going to perform. Pat Austin, Tx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) DS News Date: 07 Sep 1998 00:52:58 EDT In a message dated 98-09-05 23:44:26 EDT, rlfrey@gte.net writes: << If you'd like the help, let me know and we'll work it out... >> You bet! If you could put together an article about your club and some of the rides and have it to me by Oct 10. That would be great. I'd be happy to exhange subscriptions with you. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR low front fender Date: 07 Sep 1998 00:56:27 EDT In a message dated 98-09-06 10:18:53 EDT, whaycoc@ibm.net writes: << Eldon Carl uses the low front fender in the summer time as he feels it gives better cooling. >> I have found this to be true also. I have mounted the low Acerbis fender and it does make cooling better. After you get teh low fender one. It can come off in two minute and you can go with the high fender and vice-versa. Great combo. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Hy everybody and info on KLR Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:18:33 -0700 At 01:16 AM 9/7/98 +0100, Pippo Nicotera wrote: >Hi everybody on the list!!! And "hi" right back at 'ya! >I need some help from you all, so even if this message is long and boring, I >hope someone will go through it anyway! Long, yes. Boring, no. :) >- Skid Plate : Most of you have the "Moose" Skid Plate... I would like to > replace the tiny stock one with the sturdy Moose... do you > know if they have a KLR600 version? Do you think a 650 > version could be suitable? Where can I find it? W.B. doesn't > seem to carry it in stock! I dont think it will fit, sorry. Too bad, because I love mine. Perhaps you can buy some heavy aluminum plate, cut it to fit and have somebody weld it together for you. >- Fork Springs : I'm going to order the Progressive Suspension Fork Springs > can anyone confirm they are the same for 600 / 650??? According to the application chart at MAW (see link below) they are the same. >- Windshield : I would like to add a universal windshield to support the > + Low Fender stock tiny fairing... something like the National Cycles > Street Shield (I think this is the name of the small one).I > also would like (but I'm not too sure!) to replace the stock > front fender with a low one. Do you know where can I find > any picture showing a KLR with one of these items on??? I made a windshield for my KLR 650 out of an old handlebar mounted rig that came off of an old SR250 Yamaha. It and other low cost modifications can be seen at: http://www.scsn.net/users/bullet/tomsmods.htm > >- Valve Adjust. : I'm about go into my first attempt at valve clearance adj. > on my bike, but I read so many Horror stories about > stripping the valve cover bolt threads. Are they really so > fragile? Those of you that had this accident, had a torque > driver or the problem was overtightening them? What's > EXACTLY an "Helicoil"??? I couldn't find anything like that > here in Italy! Even W.B. doesn't seem to have them... where > do you buy them??? How much do they cost??? Helicoils are a common items is US automotive machine shops and better auto parts stores. They are so universaly useful that I imagine there are plenty to be had in Italy as well. Try an automotive machine shop. I have "done" my own valves several times without difficulty, but admit that those bolts do have a fragile feel to them. All I can say is, take care. Less torque is better than more torque. >- Mail Orders : I've only the W.B. catalogs currently... many of you had > written that W.B. isn't the cheapest of all vendors... is > there any other catalog I can get??? How??? Is there any > other good vendor on the Internet??? Which is the Address??? I have had very good luck at: http://www.accwhse.com Some others have had some trouble with them, mostly related to the fact that they often do not have things in stock so they can be slow to ship. They can be quite inexpensive if you are patient, though. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dale J. Voigt" Subject: (klr650) (long) Love my KLR Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:27:02 -0700 I've been sitting back enjoying and learning from this list for some time now. Never really adding much input as my ole '93 just keeps thumpin along but I want to share a situation that happened this weekend why I believe the KLR is the absolute best "compromise" machine available. Took off from southeast Washington Saturday morning and headed for the central Oregon Coast. While cruising down the west side of the Cascades (Hwy 242 over McKenzie Pass- beautiful route) I was flagged down by a Ranger who stated a semi failed to negotiate a switchback and flipped his trailer, hence blocking the road. Too tired to turn around I decided to wait it out. DOT's best guess was 6-8 hours and it was an hour from sunset. So I motored on down to the wreck looking for a suitable camp spot along the way. Having surveyed the wreck I could have easily slipped by the twisted trailer but I didn't have the balls to ask. I'm sure they would have said no for safey reasons anyway. After 30 minutes of sitting around I began getting impatient so I started checking out the woods between the upper and lower road of the switchback. Didn't look to promising, at least not with an overloaded and top heavy KLR. The bank was steep and riddled with rock cropings, downed trees and that tough, slippery mountain grass. Eventually I determined an area that was worthy of trying but I also needed to avoid any negative feed back from DOT and the state police. I would have to dead stick the whole maneuver. A few minutes later all backs were turned so I shoved off and coasted around the big tow truck and dropped into the woods. As the break and shifter folded from some rocks it took a bit of pushing to get the front wheel over the bank. Any thoughts for a GS or Tiger suddenly disappeared. Ten seconds later I was smuggly sitting on the lower road. At this point I should have ran with my spoils but I needed recognition. Within a few moments the DOT crew leader pointed at me with her jaw dropped. She then pointed back up the hill, shook her head and smiled. Just like a Mentos commercial. I carried a grin for the next 100 miles. Dale Kennewick, WA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR low front fender Date: 07 Sep 1998 15:22:10 EDT Does changing the fender position change anything else about how the KLR functions? On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:56:27 EDT K650dsn@aol.com writes: >I have found this to be true also. I have mounted the low Acerbis >fender and >it does make cooling better. After you get teh low fender one. It >can come >off in two minute and you can go with the high fender and vice-versa. >Great >combo. > >Gino _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) 1993 KLX650C Date: 07 Sep 1998 14:48:12 -0500 I would like to sell my 93' KLX650C, 4800 miles, Bridgestone Gritty tires, Moose plate. Black and teal. $2500 obo. I live near Omaha Nebraska. I'll can email pics if interested. Bought a new KLR650. Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Windshield and Weave Date: 07 Sep 1998 17:10:21 EDT I had and interesting test today with my '93. I have been a big proponent of my lowered KLR and how well she handles. I just got 'er up and running after changing the mechanical seal in the water pump. I decided to put on the stock windshield because it's been so warm lately, and I just like to change things once in a while. (I have a 9+ (I think, it's the shorter of the two options) Rifle shield normally.) Anyway, I have been telling everyone how my bike has gotten rid of the 80+ mph weave when I lowered the bike. Well, it's back in a minor form with the stock windshield. It's not as bad as original, but still noticeable. Now, I don't pretend to be an engineer, all I know is what I feel when I ride. Just wanted to let the world know that "maybe" they can help the weave with a new windshield???? MN Ron (trying stay on the straight and narrow...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) (long) Love my KLR Date: 07 Sep 1998 16:25:15 -0500 (CDT) > Ten seconds later I was smuggly sitting on the lower >road. At this point I should have ran with my spoils but I needed >recognition. Within a few moments the DOT crew leader pointed at me with her >jaw dropped. She then pointed back up the hill, shook her head and smiled. >Just like a Mentos commercial. >I carried a grin for the next 100 miles. > >Dale >Kennewick, WA Good story, Dale. I think we should all start doing this more often. I know this summer I was sorely tempted a couple of times but was too much of a wimp. Maybe next time! Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) More questions,,, Date: 07 Sep 1998 15:29:56 -0600 Hey all, I have 2 questions in regards to my 5000 km service I am performing tomorrow, and I was unable to locate any archives for answers. 1. Someone from here had a cheap alternative for a rear tire stand made by 2"x4", if someone could please give me the directions,, thanks, 2. I will most likely replace my spark plug, and from the owners manual it says to use the standard plug, giving 2 manufactures part#'s. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a better performance enhancing plug ? thanks, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Hy everybody and info on KLR Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:11:44 +1000 New member Pippo Nicotera wrote: > I need some help from you all, so even if this message is long and boring, I > hope someone will go through it anyway! I'll tell you that I have a '85 KLR600-B1 (electric start) but I can't offer much information as my bike is almost completely stock. But as my motor needs a recondition, I'll listen closely to what other people can offer. I have most of the new parts I need, but the engine keeps running so I keep riding it. (I have another bike and a car, so fixing the KLR is not top priority) [...] > I'm writing this message from Italy, (Guys, I read you talking about wonderful I wouldn't have guessed you were Italian, your English is better than a lot of posts I see in Australian newsgroups :-/ [Dynojet kit] I'm not sure this would be much benefit, at least without other mods. If the kit is the same as the 650, then it's designed for a motor that is 15% bigger. Without other mods, it could make the engine run worse. Older bikes like mine weren't strangled as much as later bikes that had to comply with stricter noise and emission rules. I've got no complaints about the jetting on my stock bike, but will be looking to match other later mods. [Exhaust] Staintune in Australia make nice stainless steel mufflers, but I doubt they make any for an old rare bike like ours. Just for fun, take your muffler off and go for a ride. The extra top end power is amazing, not to mention the sound. [Valve adjust and cover bolts] Mine have been always done by dealers. One of them managed to strip a cover bolt. I took it back twice to fix the oil leak but they just just put on more gunk to try to seal it. I had to take my bike back to the original selling dealer (900km away!) to get it fixed properly with a Helicoil. A Helicoil is just a piece of spiral stainless steel wire with a diamond shape cross-section. Once the hole is prepared, the Helicoil is wound into the hole and it replaces the original threads, and would be stronger than the origial as well. One modification you could consider is a 650 piston. With the standard stroke, this should bring the capacity up to about 612cc, which makes a big difference over the stock 564cc. I was emailing with a guy in New Zealand that did this. There is not a lot of extra machining to do. He had to increase the small end diameter by 1mm to match to 650 gudgeon, and the cylinder was bored out by 2mm (radius). With a 650 head on top, it supposedly ran well. I'm not sure about the difference in the gudgeon height on the piston and what this does for the compression ratio. One thing I'm thinking about is a more responsive carburettor, like a FCR flatslide or something like that, maybe about a 39mm. Just a carby and free flow muffler would make a big difference, making better use of the 8000rpm redline. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) More questions,,, Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:21:03 +1000 Brian Bonenfant wrote: [...] > 2. I will most likely replace my spark plug, and from the owners > manual it says to use the standard plug, giving 2 manufactures part#'s. > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a better performance > enhancing plug ? Spark plugs are a bit like oil, everybody has their own opinion. I use NGK DP8EV-9 (platinum tip) in my 600 as these fit my 750 Honda as well. I've heard that platinum tip don't make much difference in four strokes, but are useful in two strokes. Anyway, they make me feel better, and that's what counts to me. I've used platinums since I had a PE175Z. If your manual specifies resistor plug, you could get some more zap by fitting non-resistor instead. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Windshield and Weave Date: 07 Sep 1998 22:43:18 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905222598_boundary Content-ID: <0_905222598@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/7/98 5:00:52 PM EST, ddroger@travel-net.com writes: << I have a '93 also; and have been interested in both the Rifle windshield idea, and lowering my bike. Your need to fix the water pump also raises a question. So, if you don't mind; can I pick your brain on these three topics? 1. Rifle windshield - In general how satisfied are you? I'm 5'10" and find that the stock shield funnels air right at the base of my helmet, generating lots of wind noise. It also is pretty narrow, so I get lots of air on my shoulders. Does the Rifle "cure" this? How does all that bracketry etc, work with the fairing and the mounting structure? I'm 6'0" and I like the one I have. I thought of going with the even taller shield, but for most of my riding I like the 9" over stock. I doesn't cure all of the wind issues, but then this ain't no Gold Wing either. :-) I like this height, and would feel comfortable recommending it. This is a VERY easy to install system. You have to remove the top two screws that hold the fairing on as there is a piece the really helps to stabilize the whole shootin' match. I think that you will be happy with either the Rifle or the Clear View (I think that's the name). 2. Lowering the bike - I'd be happy to lose a few inches of ground clearance (I don't ride on those kind of trails anymore) in order to be able to get better footing when I do need to save it. How did you lower the bike? I figure that the front can be lowered by pulling the fork tubes up in the triple clamps; but without a matching drop at the rear, handling will get peculiar real fast. Did you use a kit from someone or what? There are lowering links that you install on the rear suspension that you can order. The company's name is R&D Engineering out of Alabama, I think. If you want, I'll look up their name and number, but I know I saw it on the list' this weekend as someone was discussing engine performance, and that's the same guy. Let me know, though and I'll dig it up for you. Anyway, these links are installed in place of shorter ones on the bottom of the shock, and they lower the bike by about 1.5", I then slid the forks up 2" in the clamps, and I REALLY like the way it handles on the road. Stability is improved three-fold or more. (Something like that....) Real easy to install these links. I put the bike up on a stand that held the rear off the ground, removed the rear wheel, and then just unbolted and replaced the links. Easy as that. 3. Seal on the waterpump - How many miles on the bike when that happened? What were the symptoms? Nothing like coolant in the oil I hope? I have about 11,000 on the bike. The symptom was coolant coming out of the bottom of the impellar cover (where the two hoses run on the right side of the engine.) while running. I was riding home (about 80 miles) when I noticed that the bike was running a little warmer than usual. Not hot, just warmer. I stopped at a buddies house to talk for a minute, and as I left the bike running for a minute before I turned it off, a little puddle appeared under the engine. I then rode home and again let it run a little, then I traced the collant to that over-flow hole on the bottom. Well, I pulled out the trusty service manual, (the real one, not the little one that you get for free....) and the symptom told me right where to find the problem. I ordered the parts from Fred Hink on the list as the dealer here told me two weeks, Fred had them in days. I replaced the oil seal, mechanical seal and the seal on the impeller (which comes the the mechanical seal). I also replaced the clutch plates and installed heavier clutch springs since I had the cover off anyway. Didn't really need to, just did it as a precaution. The parts aren't too hard to replace if you do some of your own mechanical work, but if you're not real sure about doing it, then I'd have a shop do it. The good news is I haven't heard of many of these things going out. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, as I bet you'll never see it. (You know, if the seal got bad enough, you could possibly have some water in the oil, but you'd have to really ignore the early symptoms. Don Roger >> I hope this is helpful, and if I started to ramble, I'm sorry. Don't hesitate to drop a line anytime. By the way, I think that our '93s are the last of the good looking KLR's, don't your? MN Ron (trying to stir up another hornet's nest....) --part0_905222598_boundary Content-ID: <0_905222598@inet_out.mail.travel-net.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (rly-ya05.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.197]) by air-ya02.mx.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:00:51 -0400 Received: from mail.travel-net.com (mail.travel-net.com [204.92.71.26]) by rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA14239 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Geezer.travel-net.com (tri58.travel-net.com [207.176.245.58]) by mail.travel-net.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20422 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:01:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199809072201.SAA20422@mail.travel-net.com> X-Sender: ddroger@pop.travel-net.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ron - I have a '93 also; and have been interested in both the Rifle windshield idea, and lowering my bike. Your need to fix the water pump also raises a question. So, if you don't mind; can I pick your brain on these three topics? 1. Rifle windshield - In general how satisfied are you? I'm 5'10" and find that the stock shield funnels air right at the base of my helmet, generating lots of wind noise. It also is pretty narrow, so I get lots of air on my shoulders. Does the Rifle "cure" this? How does all that bracketry etc, work with the fairing and the mounting structure? 2. Lowering the bike - I'd be happy to lose a few inches of ground clearance (I don't ride on those kind of trails anymore) in order to be able to get better footing when I do need to save it. How did you lower the bike? I figure that the front can be lowered by pulling the fork tubes up in the triple clamps; but without a matching drop at the rear, handling will get peculiar real fast. Did you use a kit from someone or what? 3. Seal on the waterpump - How many miles on the bike when that happened? What were the symptoms? Nothing like coolant in the oil I hope? Don Roger >I had and interesting test today with my '93. I have been a big proponent of >my lowered KLR and how well she handles. I just got 'er up and running after >changing the mechanical seal in the water pump. I decided to put on the stock >windshield because it's been so warm lately, and I just like to change things >once in a while. (I have a 9+ (I think, it's the shorter of the two options) >Rifle shield normally.) Anyway, I have been telling everyone how my bike has >gotten rid of the 80+ mph weave when I lowered the bike. Well, it's back in a >minor form with the stock windshield. It's not as bad as original, but still >noticeable. Now, I don't pretend to be an engineer, all I know is what I feel >when I ride. Just wanted to let the world know that "maybe" they can help the >weave with a new windshield???? > >MN Ron (trying stay on the straight and narrow...) > > --part0_905222598_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Windshield and Weave Date: 07 Sep 1998 22:47:13 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905222833_boundary Content-ID: <0_905222833@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/7/98 6:48:25 PM EST, eroads@europa.com writes: << Interesting idea. I sure would like to know what's causing the wobble. You probably remember I lowered my bike. Everything else is stock. I think there may have been an improvement but I can't say just how much due to limited experience. I don't need a higher windshield, but now I'm curious if that would help. Are you running a lower fender too? thanks, ericR >> Eric, no I'm not running a lower fron fender, but I am toying with the idea. Maybe over the winter. I have to admit that I was VERY surprised with the weave coming back with the stock windshield. I hope to get out a little more this week to verify my findings, and then I'll but the Rifle back on and try it again. (I know, tough job but in the interest of science......) MN Ron (fine line between weave and wobble, and I've been there, done that) --part0_905222833_boundary Content-ID: <0_905222833@inet_out.mail.europa.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:48:22 -0400 Received: from mail.europa.com (atheria.europa.com [199.2.194.10]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id TAA08947 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eroads(dialup-B036.europa.com[204.202.55.36]) (1334 bytes) by mail.europa.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #12 built 1997-Oct-28) Message-ID: <002d01bddaba$543b8140$02000003@eroads> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- >when I ride. Just wanted to let the world know that "maybe" they can hel= p the >weave with a new windshield???? > >MN Ron (trying stay on the straight and narrow...) > >+++++++++++++++++++++ Interesting idea. I sure would like to know what's causing the wobble. You probably remember I lowered my bike. Everything else is stock. I think there may have been an improvement but I can't say just how much due to limited experience. I don't need a higher windshield, but now I'm curious if that would help. Are you running a lower fender too? thanks, ericR --part0_905222833_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WingRJ@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Parting out Date: 08 Sep 1998 00:28:26 EDT Well good day all I have a 1990 KLR650 that I'm am parting out. I found it in a dealers back lot, and needed some parts off of it myself, then couldn't turn down the price they were asking for it. Lets see now, if I can get all the right info here? The majority of it is still there. I live in the Silicon Valley, Ca. The salvage yards want 60% of original cost, I'll ask 60% of that, which means I'll ask 30% of original cost, or 30% of whatever the dealers are asking. It has already paid for itself, and everything from here is gravy. If interested, give me a buzz. See Ya ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: snsi@win.bright.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Windshield and Weave Date: 08 Sep 1998 09:14:21 +0000 Howdy All, MN Ron wrote; >> I decided to put on the stock windshield because it's been so warm lately, and I just like to change things once in a while. (I have a 9+ (I think, it's the shorter of the two options) Rifle shield normally.) Anyway, I have been telling everyone how my bike has gotten rid of the 80+ mph weave when I lowered the bike. Well, it's back in a minor form with the stock windshield. It's not as bad as original, but still noticeable. Now, I don't pretend to be an engineer, all I know is what I feel when I ride. Just wanted to let the world know that "maybe" they can help the weave with a new windshield???? >> Ron I know I fell much more stable at 80+ with my Clearview but I think thats because the wind blast doesn't hit my body as much. Having the wind off my body some allows my arms to relax and everything is smoother. Anyway just a guess. Jeff Smith Barnes, WI '71 A-HD Sprint 350; '97 Kawasaki KLR650 (King o'La Road) "Beware the dirt bike ... Ground shaking dirt bike" TMBG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter M. Anderson" Subject: (klr650) highway pegs? thoughts? Date: 08 Sep 1998 07:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Highway pegs? Do they really work? I know Gino and Jack have a set, but is there any other KLR riders that swear by them? thanks for your response, 6' 2 1/2'' Anderson == Peter Michael Anderson Hero On Ice _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Givi Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:58:58 FWIW: Jim Murray's Kawasaki in Scranton, PA is a Givi dealer. I asked about discounts and Jim Jr. (He's the parts guy) said it depends on what you're buying. So, I guess you have to ask him to deal a little. The dealer I bought my Givi Tailbox from in Wilkes-Barre, PA (Two-Jacks) wouldn't deal at all saying that he was a "full service BMW dealer".) Whatever the hell that meant. Call Murray's at 717-342-3280 or 800-713-3057. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Thermostat Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:06:12 I noticed that there was some coolant leaking out of the bottom of the thermostat housing the other night. I checked the three mounting screws and they are tight. A search of the SM didn't give me any info on why it would leak or show what kind of gasket-if any-is used. Is there an o-ring or gasket under the housing or do they use silicone based sealant around the mounting surface. I'm not bothering with a warranty trip to the dealer as that is far more bother than fixing it myself. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI)" Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:52:16 CST Gino, Bill, anyone, What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markking Subject: (klr650) Date: 08 Sep 1998 09:17:05 -0700 Went up to Hayward Kawasaki on Saturday to buy a $4099 KLR650. They had all gone.....Sigh Mark King No bike at the moment ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEVCO1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Fwd: Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:29:29 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905275769_boundary Content-ID: <0_905275769@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang, Enclosed is a virus alert that should be strongly considered as the Budwiser Frogs appeal to many. 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Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE. --------- End forwarded message ---------- --part0_905275769_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 08 Sep 1998 12:26:50 -0600 -----Original Message----- >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Service Date: 08 Sep 1998 14:21:26 I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket because of fiscal deficiencies. I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the $167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! Tell your friends. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YSTaurel@aol.com Subject: (klr650) how to get out of the list Date: 08 Sep 1998 14:34:41 EDT I receive the EMail at work and can not keep up with it. Can you sign me out, Please. Thanks, Yann ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Andres Carlstein" ]] Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:12:40 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: ajax@xmission.com Delivery-date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:52 -0600 Received: from (lists.xmission.com) [198.60.22.7] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zGQpv-0005Y3-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:47 -0600 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGQpt-0003aE-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:45 -0600 Message-Id: >From aac107@omnibus.ce.psu.edu Tue Sep 08 10:41:40 1998 Received: from (mudfence.ce.psu.edu) [128.118.220.5] by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGQpk-0003Xn-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:37 -0600 Received: from omnibus.ce.psu.edu (omnibus.ce.psu.edu [128.118.220.3]) by mudfence.ce.psu.edu (8.6.9/A/UX 3.1) with SMTP id MAA01707 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Hi everyone, I have been a fan of this list for a while (I am the proud owner of a 99 KLR), but until today I have not found it necessary to reply. Please forgive my belated tirade on this subject, but I have been behind on reading the KLR digest. I am writing in response to the comments about Fred Hink's "inert" Nitrogen comment. No one seems to have tried to defend him too much, so I feel that I must. I would like to point out that my esteemed fellow rider, Jeff, is for the most part correct. However, in Fred's defense, there are several things that should be noted. First of all, everything is relative. In most circumstances, yes, the noble gases are "inert" (By the way, inert does not mean unreactive, it means "very slow to move or act" [react]). However, Argon and Xenon (two "inert" noble gases) have both been known to form compounds. As far as Nitrogen's reactivity is concerned, at STP (standard temperature and pressure), Nitrogen gas (two Nitrogen atoms with a triple bond) is HIGHLY unreactive, and for all intents and purposes can be defined as inert. In order to "fix" nitrogen (break the nitrogen triple bond so that the Nitrogen atoms can be combined with different atoms), one needs to use either nitrogen fixing bacteria, which overcome the high activation energy with catalyzing enzymes, or one needs huge amounts of pressure and extemely high temperatures. So, in most circumstances on Earth, including inside the shock absorber of a motorcycle, Nitrogen is (for our purposes) inert. Yes, the Nitrogen containing compounds that Jeff mentioned are indeed highly reactive. It is the breaking of those three bonds, and the reforming of them into lower energy compounds that creates this explosive reactivity. However, these compounds are very different from Nitrogen gas, which I have some experience with in both organic and general chemistry labs. Nitrogen gas is used as a propellant for gas chromatography, a cleaning and drying agent, and because it is so unreactive (and makes up about 70% of our atmosphere), it is not dangerous to inhale. All of these facts are testaments to Nitrogen's relative "inertness." I would ask that in the future, let's not get hung up on the trivia that we can all find in a science text, and instead focus on the practical knowledge that will help us enjoy our bikes more--knowledge that people like Fred have. If we discourage people like him from contributing for fear of being constantly corrected, then we lose a valuable resource. I do appreciate all attempts to enlighten and broaden our knowledge base, provided that we do it by encouraging each other : ) Thank you for listening to my two cents, and please forgive me if I seem a bit harsh--that is not my intention. Thanks Fred, for your valuable advice about motorcycling, and keep it coming! Sincerely, Andres Carlstein >I dunno Jeff, seems to me it is correct or not. I don't see how it can be >_far_ from correct. Maybe even almost right! > >Jim > By definition, the inert gasses are the noble gasses, which are on the far right hand column of the periodic table. These gasses are inert because they posses a full shell of outer valence electrons, and thus are unreactive. Nitrogen, on the other hand, is in group five, with an atomic number of 7. (seven protons, seven electrons). It thus has two electrons in its inner shell, and five electrons in its outer shell, thus "wanting" three more electrons to complete its outer valence shell, and thus is very reactive. The nitrogen cycle in the earth, in which nitrogen flows from being atmospheric gas, to being "fixed" into complex organic compounds, or simple nitrogen bearing compounds, are some of the most complex, and some of the most important to life. In the lab, I have seen some very spectacular and explosive reactions done with nitrogen gas. Consider these compounds made with nitrogen: Nitroglycerin and Trinitrotoluene. So yes, calling nitrogen inert is far from correct. Jeff --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:18:00 -0600 Fred Hink wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:06 AM > Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > > > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > > > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > > > > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports I have down June 3-5... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "josh sammons" Subject: (klr650) Red River Rally! Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:03:07 PDT I just got back for Red River for the 1998 FSSNCC Rally. I could not be there for the festivities on tues. & weds. due to classes in college, so I just went for sun. & mon. Although it hadn't really started yet, there was great turnout. Some MuZ's showed up and lots of KLR's. The terrain surrounding Red River is a lot better than I had thought and the organizer Dick Shepherd is very cool and will help you out with anything. Next year, school or not I'm going to the rally! I cause you were wondering it is in New York next year. I was fortunate only to live about an hour away. Also if you don't already belong to the FSSNCC, join today! later josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vic Norton Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 08 Sep 1998 16:50:07 -0400 Boy, that's quite a change from this year (April 24-26), Fred. I was hoping to make the '99 Moab event, but, unfortunately, I'm going to be in Lake Placid, NY, on the June 4-6 weekend with an ST1100 group. That's the problem with having too many bikes. Regards, Vic -------- At 12:26 PM -0600 9/8/98, Fred Hink wrote: > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports *--------------------* http://www.ridehsta.com/ *--------------------* | Vic Norton 1996 ST1100 1992 EX500 HSTA 5992 DOD 43403 | | (419)353-8399 1997 KLR650 STOC 037 AMA 594102 | *--------------* http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ *---------------* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) RE: Virus Alert Date: 08 Sep 1998 17:14:40 -0400 I heard the frog virus was initiated by the ferret(as all us Budwieser afficienados knows is the swamp hitman). He was put up to it by Louie the chameleon so he would get the starring roll saying "wies". Louie sold out for the money...whaaaaaaaaa :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 08 Sep 1998 18:10:31 -0600 -----Original Message----- Cc: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) ; klr650@lists.xmission.com >> I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning >> to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my >> records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if >> not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? >> >> Fred Hink >> Arrowhead Motorsports > >I have down June 3-5... > >Kurt A12 > Well I was close... Guess it was from all those inert gases I been breathing. 8<0 Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) Questions for the KLR LIST Date: 08 Sep 1998 16:44:55 -0400 Dan, I have sent your questions on the horn and license plate to the KLR650 LIST. Someone on the LIST will reply to your questions. You might want to join the LIST, this LIST provides you a means for submitting questions and making comments to hundreds of other KLR650 owners. You can join the list by going to the KLR650 Home Page, "click" on KLR LIST FAQ selection and then follow the directions given. Let me know if you need help on joining the list. On the license plate - there is an article on how to accomplish the relocation on the KLR650 Page. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page22.html The way many of us relocated our license plates is as follows: Simply remove the plate, drill holes in the bottom of the plate (opposite those in the normal top position), remount the plate but using the bolts in the new bottom holes rather then the original top holes. this procedure will lift your plate up and out of the way of tire hits. Bill Name: Dan Gomes E-mail address: dan_gomes@nortel-nsm.com Homepage URL: Comments: Since I got such a good response on my last question re. tires, here are two more. First, does anyone know of a good after-market horn for the KLR 650 (1997) - my stock horn is barely audible to myself much less wandering cars. Second, whenever I go off-road my license plate ends up bottoming out on my rear tire. Any suggestions, other than removing all together. Thanks. Date: Tue Sep 8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Service Date: 08 Sep 1998 19:10:54 -0500 (CDT) At 14:21 -0000 8/9/98, r. kaub wrote: >I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought >about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket >because of fiscal deficiencies. >I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the >price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the >$167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to >charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay >the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. >Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! >Tell your friends. Thanks. >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 I couldn't agree more. Whoever's running Aerostich should go around giving seminars on customer service. They're just about the only company in the motorcycle business that I trust completely. Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linus Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:20:34 +0800 Could anyone tell me if the `96 KLR650 Generator case cover gaskets(left side of the engine) the same as for the KLR`90 model.The part no for the 96 is 11060-1692/93 and for the 90 is 11060-1111/12.The spares dealer gave me the `96 gaskets,saying it would fit into the 90.Wonder if it`s true? Thanks everyone Linus KLR90 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 Stealthiness Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:19:35 -0600 >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible >to enjoy headphones on this bike. >****************************************** >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on >the hunt"...I love it! >Darrel >A12 "Avenger" More like a 3-legged wolf with 30 tin cans tied to his tail. Skip (who`s A9 has been his quietest,now that he wears earplugs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) Only improves with time.. Date: 08 Sep 1998 20:33:38 -0600 Hello all, I did my 5000 km servicing today and it is amazing what new oil/filter, a cleaned air filter and a new plugs do for the engine drive ability. I installed a new original standard NGK plug but I would like a platinum plug, does anyone have any suggestions for a brand to use, with know reliability. I would also like to get a K&N air filter, does anyone have the part number handy, and app. cost they paid. I am probably only going to improve the filter and plug right now for cheap performance enhancements, but I was wondering if anyone has only installed the K&N filter and what kind of difference it made for performance. I also just ordered the tank and saddle bags from kawa, so I will be ready to 'let the good times roll' for next riding season. Does anyone on the list live in WA that knows of some organized rallies in the NW part of the States (and where to locate dates and events). One concern I have, and would like some feedback from others. I am relatively new to the motorcycle riding. I went on a trip this weekend and I find that overall the bike runs well at speeds under 90 km (55 mph), but anything above that it feels like it is very unstable in the wind. I went through 2 mountain passes on this trip, which understandably is normally windy but at 100 km (60 mph) I was having some time trying to keep it between the lines which makes the ride not enjoyable when you have a couple of hours of this type of riding. I guess I would like to know if anyone else finds this, or does it just come with practice, or are there any suggestions that can improve this condition. Regards, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions for the KLR LIST Date: 08 Sep 1998 22:36:36 -0500 At 04:44 PM 9/8/98 -0400, Bill Haycock wrote: >First, does anyone know of a good after-market horn for the >KLR 650 (1997) - my stock horn is barely audible to myself >much less wandering cars. My Horn was the same way. I have a 97 also. Anyway there is an adjustment screw on the horn that adjusts the tone and loudness of the horn. I think that it is a philips head screw. Try turning it one way or the other till the horn is where you want it to be. This worked on mine anyway. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Virus Alert Hoax Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Looks like the Bud Frogs are another email waste of time and bandwidth. Please check this page and bookmark the site for future reference. http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa071598.htm BTW it's a very interesting and informative web site anyway. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Wass Subject: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 09 Sep 1998 05:50:29 -0500 How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil consumption? klr650-digest wrote: > klr650-digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 226 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:26:50 -0600 > From: "Fred Hink" > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > - -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:06 AM > Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > > > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > > > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > > > > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 14:21:26 > From: "r. kaub" > Subject: (klr650) Service > > I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought > about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket > because of fiscal deficiencies. > I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the > price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the > $167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to > charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay > the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. > Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! > Tell your friends. Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:34:41 EDT > From: YSTaurel@aol.com > Subject: (klr650) how to get out of the list > > I receive the EMail at work and can not keep up with it. > > Can you sign me out, Please. > > Thanks, > > Yann > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:12:40 -0600 > From: Kurt Simpson > Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Andres Carlstein" ]] > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-path: > Envelope-to: ajax@xmission.com > Delivery-date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:52 -0600 > Received: from (lists.xmission.com) [198.60.22.7] > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > id 0zGQpv-0005Y3-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:47 -0600 > Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zGQpt-0003aE-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:45 -0600 > To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > Subject: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Andres Carlstein" ] > Message-Id: > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:45 -0600 > > >From aac107@omnibus.ce.psu.edu Tue Sep 08 10:41:40 1998 > Received: from (mudfence.ce.psu.edu) [128.118.220.5] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zGQpk-0003Xn-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:37 -0600 > Received: from omnibus.ce.psu.edu (omnibus.ce.psu.edu [128.118.220.3]) by mudfence.ce.psu.edu (8.6.9/A/UX 3.1) with SMTP id MAA01707 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:50:01 -0400 > Message-ID: > Date: 8 Sep 1998 12:42:57 -0400 > From: "Andres Carlstein" > Subject: "Inert" gases > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 > > Hi everyone, > > I have been a fan of this list for a while (I am the proud owner of a 99 KLR), > but until today I have not found it necessary to reply. Please forgive my > belated tirade on this subject, but I have been behind on reading the KLR > digest. I am writing in response to the comments about Fred Hink's "inert" > Nitrogen comment. No one seems to have tried to defend him too much, so I > feel that I must. > > I would like to point out that my esteemed fellow rider, Jeff, is for the most > part correct. However, in Fred's defense, there are several things that > should be noted. First of all, everything is relative. In most > circumstances, yes, the noble gases are "inert" (By the way, inert does not > mean unreactive, it means "very slow to move or act" [react]). However, Argon > and Xenon (two "inert" noble gases) have both been known to form compounds. > > As far as Nitrogen's reactivity is concerned, at STP (standard temperature and > pressure), Nitrogen gas (two Nitrogen atoms with a triple bond) is HIGHLY > unreactive, and for all intents and purposes can be defined as inert. In > order to "fix" nitrogen (break the nitrogen triple bond so that the Nitrogen > atoms can be combined with different atoms), one needs to use either nitrogen > fixing bacteria, which overcome the high activation energy with catalyzing > enzymes, or one needs huge amounts of pressure and extemely high temperatures. > So, in most circumstances on Earth, including inside the shock absorber of a > motorcycle, Nitrogen is (for our purposes) inert. > > Yes, the Nitrogen containing compounds that Jeff mentioned are indeed highly > reactive. It is the breaking of those three bonds, and the reforming of them > into lower energy compounds that creates this explosive reactivity. However, > these compounds are very different from Nitrogen gas, which I have some > experience with in both organic and general chemistry labs. Nitrogen gas is > used as a propellant for gas chromatography, a cleaning and drying agent, and > because it is so unreactive (and makes up about 70% of our atmosphere), it is > not dangerous to inhale. All of these facts are testaments to Nitrogen's > relative "inertness." > > I would ask that in the future, let's not get hung up on the trivia that we > can all find in a science text, and instead focus on the practical knowledge > that will help us enjoy our bikes more--knowledge that people like Fred have. > If we discourage people like him from contributing for fear of being > constantly corrected, then we lose a valuable resource. > > I do appreciate all attempts to enlighten and broaden our knowledge base, > provided that we do it by encouraging each other : ) Thank you for listening > to my two cents, and please forgive me if I seem a bit harsh--that is not my > intention. Thanks Fred, for your valuable advice about motorcycling, and keep > it coming! > > Sincerely, > Andres Carlstein > > >I dunno Jeff, seems to me it is correct or not. I don't see how it can be > >_far_ from correct. Maybe even almost right! > > > >Jim > > > By definition, the inert gasses are the noble gasses, which are on the far > right hand column of the periodic table. These gasses are inert because > they posses a full shell of outer valence electrons, and thus are > unreactive. > > Nitrogen, on the other hand, is in group five, with an atomic number of 7. > (seven protons, seven electrons). It thus has two electrons in its inner > shell, and five electrons in its outer shell, thus "wanting" three more > electrons to complete its outer valence shell, and thus is very reactive. > The nitrogen cycle in the earth, in which nitrogen flows from being > atmospheric gas, to being "fixed" into complex organic compounds, or simple > nitrogen bearing compounds, are some of the most complex, and some of the > most important to life. > > In the lab, I have seen some very spectacular and explosive reactions done > with nitrogen gas. Consider these compounds made with nitrogen: > Nitroglycerin and Trinitrotoluene. > > So yes, calling nitrogen inert is far from correct. > > Jeff > > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:18:00 -0600 > From: Kurt Simpson > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > Fred Hink wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:06 AM > > Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > > > >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > > > > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > > > > > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > > > > > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > > > Fred Hink > > Arrowhead Motorsports > > I have down June 3-5... > > Kurt A12 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:03:07 PDT > From: "josh sammons" > Subject: (klr650) Red River Rally! > > I just got back for Red River for the 1998 FSSNCC Rally. I could not be > there for the festivities on tues. & weds. due to classes in college, so > I just went for sun. & mon. Although it hadn't really started yet, > there was great turnout. Some MuZ's showed up and lots of KLR's. The > terrain surrounding Red River is a lot better than I had thought and the > organizer Dick Shepherd is very cool and will help you out with > anything. Next year, school or not I'm going to the rally! I cause you > were wondering it is in New York next year. I was fortunate only to live > about an hour away. Also if you don't already belong to the FSSNCC, > join today! > later > josh > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:50:07 -0400 > From: Vic Norton > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > Boy, that's quite a change from this year (April 24-26), Fred. I was hoping > to make the '99 Moab event, but, unfortunately, I'm going to be in Lake > Placid, NY, on the June 4-6 weekend with an ST1100 group. That's the > problem with having too many bikes. > > Regards, > > Vic > > - -------- > At 12:26 PM -0600 9/8/98, Fred Hink wrote: > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > > > Fred Hink > > Arrowhead Motorsports > > *--------------------* http://www.ridehsta.com/ *--------------------* > | Vic Norton 1996 ST1100 1992 EX500 HSTA 5992 DOD 43403 | > | (419)353-8399 1997 KLR650 STOC 037 AMA 594102 | > *--------------* http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ *---------------* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:14:40 -0400 > From: "Robert frey" > Subject: (klr650) RE: Virus Alert > > I heard the frog virus was initiated by the ferret(as all us Budwieser > afficienados knows is the swamp hitman). He was put up to it by Louie the > chameleon so he would get the starring roll saying "wies". > > Louie sold out for the money...whaaaaaaaaa :-) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:31 -0600 > From: "Fred Hink" > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Simpson > To: Fred Hink > Cc: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) ; > klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > >> I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are > planning > >> to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost > my > >> records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > >> not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > >> > >> Fred Hink > >> Arrowhead Motorsports > > > >I have down June 3-5... > > > >Kurt A12 > > > > Well I was close... Guess it was from all those inert gases I been > breathing. 8<0 > > Fred > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:44:55 -0400 > From: Bill Haycock > Subject: (klr650) Questions for the KLR LIST > > Dan, > > I have sent your questions on the horn and license plate to the KLR650 > LIST. Someone on the LIST will reply to your questions. > > You might want to join the LIST, this LIST provides you a means for > submitting questions and making comments to hundreds of other KLR650 > owners. > > You can join the list by going to the KLR650 Home Page, "click" on KLR > LIST FAQ selection and then follow the directions given. Let me know if > you need help on joining the list. > > On the license plate - there is an article on how to accomplish the > relocation on the KLR650 Page. Go to: > > http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page22.html > > The way many of us relocated our license plates is as follows: Simply > remove the plate, drill holes in the bottom of the plate (opposite those > in the normal top position), remount the plate but using the bolts in > the new bottom holes rather then the original top holes. this procedure > will lift your plate up and out of the way of tire hits. > > Bill > > Name: Dan Gomes > E-mail address: dan_gomes@nortel-nsm.com > Homepage URL: > Comments: > Since I got such a good response on my last question re. > tires, here are two more. > First, does anyone know of a good after-market horn for the > KLR 650 (1997) - my stock horn is barely audible to myself > much less wandering cars. > Second, whenever I go off-road my license plate ends up > bottoming out on my rear tire. Any suggestions, other than > removing all together. > > Thanks. > > Date: Tue Sep 8 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:10:54 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tom Clay > Subject: Re: (klr650) Service > > At 14:21 -0000 8/9/98, r. kaub wrote: > >I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought > >about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket > >because of fiscal deficiencies. > >I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the > >price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the > >$167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to > >charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay > >the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. > >Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! > >Tell your friends. Thanks. > >Bob Kaub > >State University of New York > >PO Box 6000 > >Binghamton, NY 13902 > >607-777-2715 > > I couldn't agree more. Whoever's running Aerostich should go around giving > seminars on customer service. They're just about the only company in the > motorcycle business that I trust completely. > > Tom Clay > Winnipeg MB > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:20:34 +0800 > From: Linus > Subject: [none] > > Could anyone tell me if the `96 KLR650 Generator case cover gaskets(left > side of the engine) the same as for the KLR`90 model.The part no for the > 96 is 11060-1692/93 and for the 90 is 11060-1111/12.The spares dealer gave > me the `96 gaskets,saying it would fit into the 90.Wonder if it`s true? > Thanks everyone > Linus > KLR90 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:19:35 -0600 > From: "skip faulkner" > Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 Stealthiness > > >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > > > >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible > >to enjoy headphones on this bike. > >****************************************** > >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on > >the hunt"...I love it! > >Darrel > >A12 "Avenger" > > More like a 3-legged wolf with 30 tin cans tied to his tail. > > Skip (who`s A9 has been his quietest,now that he wears earplugs) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:33:38 -0600 > From: Brian Bonenfant > Subject: (klr650) Only improves with time.. > > Hello all, > I did my 5000 km servicing today and it is amazing what new > oil/filter, a cleaned air filter and a new plugs do for the engine drive > ability. > I installed a new original standard NGK plug but I would like a > platinum plug, does anyone have any suggestions for a brand to use, with > know reliability. > I would also like to get a K&N air filter, does anyone have the part > number handy, and app. cost they paid. I am probably only going to > improve the filter and plug right now for cheap performance > enhancements, but I was wondering if anyone has only installed the K&N > filter and what kind of difference it made for performance. > I also just ordered the tank and saddle bags from kawa, so I will be > ready to 'let the good times roll' for next riding season. > Does anyone on the list live in WA that knows of some organized > rallies in the NW part of the States (and where to locate dates and > events). > > One concern I have, and would like some feedback from others. I am > relatively new to the motorcycle riding. I went on a trip this weekend > and I find that overall the bike runs well at speeds under 90 km (55 > mph), but anything above that it feels like it is very unstable in the > wind. I went through 2 mountain passes on this trip, which > understandably is normally windy but at 100 km (60 mph) I was having > some time trying to keep it between the lines which makes the ride not > enjoyable when you have a couple of hours of this type of riding. I > guess I would like to know if anyone else finds this, or does it just > come with practice, or are there any suggestions that can improve this > condition. > > Regards, > Brian. > > ------------------------------ > > End of klr650-digest V1 #226 > **************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:25:25 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905347526_boundary Content-ID: <0_905347526@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/9/98 7:52:32 AM EST, dswass@northernnet.com writes: << How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil consumption? >> My old (and out-of-date, according to some, but never had any warranty problems like the new ones) '93 KLR has never used any oil in 11,000+ miles. (Or at least, so little that I never needed to add any.) My wife's Yamaha Seca II uses about 1/2 quart every 1000 miles, and I'm told by Yamaha that is within an acceptable range.. I don't think so, but I just keep adding and the rate of lose hasn't changed in 10,000 miles.... MN Ron --part0_905347526_boundary Content-ID: <0_905347526@inet_out.mail.northernnet.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:52:31 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id HAA11892; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGhxh-0004kD-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:58:57 -0600 Received: from (server.northernnet.com) [208.199.118.4] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGhxd-0004jm-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:58:53 -0600 Received: from northernnet.com (gr-1.dialup.northernnet.com [208.16.95.11]) by server.northernnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26421; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35F65D74.1F90B8E6@northernnet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) CC: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com References: Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Scott Wass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil consumption? klr650-digest wrote: > klr650-digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 226 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:26:50 -0600 > From: "Fred Hink" > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > - -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:06 AM > Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > > > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > > > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > > > > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 14:21:26 > From: "r. kaub" > Subject: (klr650) Service > > I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought > about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket > because of fiscal deficiencies. > I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the > price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the > $167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to > charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay > the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. > Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! > Tell your friends. Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:34:41 EDT > From: YSTaurel@aol.com > Subject: (klr650) how to get out of the list > > I receive the EMail at work and can not keep up with it. > > Can you sign me out, Please. > > Thanks, > > Yann > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:12:40 -0600 > From: Kurt Simpson > Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Andres Carlstein" ]] > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-path: > Envelope-to: ajax@xmission.com > Delivery-date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:52 -0600 > Received: from (lists.xmission.com) [198.60.22.7] > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > id 0zGQpv-0005Y3-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:47 -0600 > Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zGQpt-0003aE-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:45 -0600 > To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > Subject: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Andres Carlstein" ] > Message-Id: > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:45 -0600 > > >From aac107@omnibus.ce.psu.edu Tue Sep 08 10:41:40 1998 > Received: from (mudfence.ce.psu.edu) [128.118.220.5] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0zGQpk-0003Xn-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:41:37 -0600 > Received: from omnibus.ce.psu.edu (omnibus.ce.psu.edu [128.118.220.3]) by mudfence.ce.psu.edu (8.6.9/A/UX 3.1) with SMTP id MAA01707 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:50:01 -0400 > Message-ID: > Date: 8 Sep 1998 12:42:57 -0400 > From: "Andres Carlstein" > Subject: "Inert" gases > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 > > Hi everyone, > > I have been a fan of this list for a while (I am the proud owner of a 99 KLR), > but until today I have not found it necessary to reply. Please forgive my > belated tirade on this subject, but I have been behind on reading the KLR > digest. I am writing in response to the comments about Fred Hink's "inert" > Nitrogen comment. No one seems to have tried to defend him too much, so I > feel that I must. > > I would like to point out that my esteemed fellow rider, Jeff, is for the most > part correct. However, in Fred's defense, there are several things that > should be noted. First of all, everything is relative. In most > circumstances, yes, the noble gases are "inert" (By the way, inert does not > mean unreactive, it means "very slow to move or act" [react]). However, Argon > and Xenon (two "inert" noble gases) have both been known to form compounds. > > As far as Nitrogen's reactivity is concerned, at STP (standard temperature and > pressure), Nitrogen gas (two Nitrogen atoms with a triple bond) is HIGHLY > unreactive, and for all intents and purposes can be defined as inert. In > order to "fix" nitrogen (break the nitrogen triple bond so that the Nitrogen > atoms can be combined with different atoms), one needs to use either nitrogen > fixing bacteria, which overcome the high activation energy with catalyzing > enzymes, or one needs huge amounts of pressure and extemely high temperatures. > So, in most circumstances on Earth, including inside the shock absorber of a > motorcycle, Nitrogen is (for our purposes) inert. > > Yes, the Nitrogen containing compounds that Jeff mentioned are indeed highly > reactive. It is the breaking of those three bonds, and the reforming of them > into lower energy compounds that creates this explosive reactivity. However, > these compounds are very different from Nitrogen gas, which I have some > experience with in both organic and general chemistry labs. Nitrogen gas is > used as a propellant for gas chromatography, a cleaning and drying agent, and > because it is so unreactive (and makes up about 70% of our atmosphere), it is > not dangerous to inhale. All of these facts are testaments to Nitrogen's > relative "inertness." > > I would ask that in the future, let's not get hung up on the trivia that we > can all find in a science text, and instead focus on the practical knowledge > that will help us enjoy our bikes more--knowledge that people like Fred have. > If we discourage people like him from contributing for fear of being > constantly corrected, then we lose a valuable resource. > > I do appreciate all attempts to enlighten and broaden our knowledge base, > provided that we do it by encouraging each other : ) Thank you for listening > to my two cents, and please forgive me if I seem a bit harsh--that is not my > intention. Thanks Fred, for your valuable advice about motorcycling, and keep > it coming! > > Sincerely, > Andres Carlstein > > >I dunno Jeff, seems to me it is correct or not. I don't see how it can be > >_far_ from correct. Maybe even almost right! > > > >Jim > > > By definition, the inert gasses are the noble gasses, which are on the far > right hand column of the periodic table. These gasses are inert because > they posses a full shell of outer valence electrons, and thus are > unreactive. > > Nitrogen, on the other hand, is in group five, with an atomic number of 7. > (seven protons, seven electrons). It thus has two electrons in its inner > shell, and five electrons in its outer shell, thus "wanting" three more > electrons to complete its outer valence shell, and thus is very reactive. > The nitrogen cycle in the earth, in which nitrogen flows from being > atmospheric gas, to being "fixed" into complex organic compounds, or simple > nitrogen bearing compounds, are some of the most complex, and some of the > most important to life. > > In the lab, I have seen some very spectacular and explosive reactions done > with nitrogen gas. Consider these compounds made with nitrogen: > Nitroglycerin and Trinitrotoluene. > > So yes, calling nitrogen inert is far from correct. > > Jeff > > - --------------FC85273783513417A89E7DF3-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:18:00 -0600 > From: Kurt Simpson > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > Fred Hink wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:06 AM > > Subject: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > > > >From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) > > > > > >Gino, Bill, anyone, > > > > > >What are the dates for the rally in Utah for 99? > > > > > >John Houchins (almost done with the crutches, and ridin again!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > > > Fred Hink > > Arrowhead Motorsports > > I have down June 3-5... > > Kurt A12 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:03:07 PDT > From: "josh sammons" > Subject: (klr650) Red River Rally! > > I just got back for Red River for the 1998 FSSNCC Rally. I could not be > there for the festivities on tues. & weds. due to classes in college, so > I just went for sun. & mon. Although it hadn't really started yet, > there was great turnout. Some MuZ's showed up and lots of KLR's. The > terrain surrounding Red River is a lot better than I had thought and the > organizer Dick Shepherd is very cool and will help you out with > anything. Next year, school or not I'm going to the rally! I cause you > were wondering it is in New York next year. I was fortunate only to live > about an hour away. Also if you don't already belong to the FSSNCC, > join today! > later > josh > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:50:07 -0400 > From: Vic Norton > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > Boy, that's quite a change from this year (April 24-26), Fred. I was hoping > to make the '99 Moab event, but, unfortunately, I'm going to be in Lake > Placid, NY, on the June 4-6 weekend with an ST1100 group. That's the > problem with having too many bikes. > > Regards, > > Vic > > - -------- > At 12:26 PM -0600 9/8/98, Fred Hink wrote: > > I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are planning > > to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost my > > records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > > not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > > > > Fred Hink > > Arrowhead Motorsports > > *--------------------* http://www.ridehsta.com/ *--------------------* > | Vic Norton 1996 ST1100 1992 EX500 HSTA 5992 DOD 43403 | > | (419)353-8399 1997 KLR650 STOC 037 AMA 594102 | > *--------------* http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ *---------------* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:14:40 -0400 > From: "Robert frey" > Subject: (klr650) RE: Virus Alert > > I heard the frog virus was initiated by the ferret(as all us Budwieser > afficienados knows is the swamp hitman). He was put up to it by Louie the > chameleon so he would get the starring roll saying "wies". > > Louie sold out for the money...whaaaaaaaaa :-) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:31 -0600 > From: "Fred Hink" > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Simpson > To: Fred Hink > Cc: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) ; > klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 > > >> I believe the '99 Moab Get Together will be June 4 - 6. Some are > planning > >> to be here earlier than that. I have changed computers and I have lost > my > >> records of the date for next years rally, but I think this is correct, if > >> not I am sure we will all hear about it. Right Gino? > >> > >> Fred Hink > >> Arrowhead Motorsports > > > >I have down June 3-5... > > > >Kurt A12 > > > > Well I was close... Guess it was from all those inert gases I been > breathing. 8<0 > > Fred > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:44:55 -0400 > From: Bill Haycock > Subject: (klr650) Questions for the KLR LIST > > Dan, > > I have sent your questions on the horn and license plate to the KLR650 > LIST. Someone on the LIST will reply to your questions. > > You might want to join the LIST, this LIST provides you a means for > submitting questions and making comments to hundreds of other KLR650 > owners. > > You can join the list by going to the KLR650 Home Page, "click" on KLR > LIST FAQ selection and then follow the directions given. Let me know if > you need help on joining the list. > > On the license plate - there is an article on how to accomplish the > relocation on the KLR650 Page. Go to: > > http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page22.html > > The way many of us relocated our license plates is as follows: Simply > remove the plate, drill holes in the bottom of the plate (opposite those > in the normal top position), remount the plate but using the bolts in > the new bottom holes rather then the original top holes. this procedure > will lift your plate up and out of the way of tire hits. > > Bill > > Name: Dan Gomes > E-mail address: dan_gomes@nortel-nsm.com > Homepage URL: > Comments: > Since I got such a good response on my last question re. > tires, here are two more. > First, does anyone know of a good after-market horn for the > KLR 650 (1997) - my stock horn is barely audible to myself > much less wandering cars. > Second, whenever I go off-road my license plate ends up > bottoming out on my rear tire. Any suggestions, other than > removing all together. > > Thanks. > > Date: Tue Sep 8 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:10:54 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tom Clay > Subject: Re: (klr650) Service > > At 14:21 -0000 8/9/98, r. kaub wrote: > >I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought > >about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket > >because of fiscal deficiencies. > >I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the > >price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the > >$167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to > >charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay > >the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. > >Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! > >Tell your friends. Thanks. > >Bob Kaub > >State University of New York > >PO Box 6000 > >Binghamton, NY 13902 > >607-777-2715 > > I couldn't agree more. Whoever's running Aerostich should go around giving > seminars on customer service. They're just about the only company in the > motorcycle business that I trust completely. > > Tom Clay > Winnipeg MB > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:20:34 +0800 > From: Linus > Subject: [none] > > Could anyone tell me if the `96 KLR650 Generator case cover gaskets(left > side of the engine) the same as for the KLR`90 model.The part no for the > 96 is 11060-1692/93 and for the 90 is 11060-1111/12.The spares dealer gave > me the `96 gaskets,saying it would fit into the 90.Wonder if it`s true? > Thanks everyone > Linus > KLR90 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:19:35 -0600 > From: "skip faulkner" > Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 Stealthiness > > >From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) > > > >by the way...i like listening to music while on the road...is it impossible > >to enjoy headphones on this bike. > >****************************************** > >Roger- I read somewhere recently that the KLR650 is "quiet as a wolf on > >the hunt"...I love it! > >Darrel > >A12 "Avenger" > > More like a 3-legged wolf with 30 tin cans tied to his tail. > > Skip (who`s A9 has been his quietest,now that he wears earplugs) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:33:38 -0600 > From: Brian Bonenfant > Subject: (klr650) Only improves with time.. > > Hello all, > I did my 5000 km servicing today and it is amazing what new > oil/filter, a cleaned air filter and a new plugs do for the engine drive > ability. > I installed a new original standard NGK plug but I would like a > platinum plug, does anyone have any suggestions for a brand to use, with > know reliability. > I would also like to get a K&N air filter, does anyone have the part > number handy, and app. cost they paid. I am probably only going to > improve the filter and plug right now for cheap performance > enhancements, but I was wondering if anyone has only installed the K&N > filter and what kind of difference it made for performance. > I also just ordered the tank and saddle bags from kawa, so I will be > ready to 'let the good times roll' for next riding season. > Does anyone on the list live in WA that knows of some organized > rallies in the NW part of the States (and where to locate dates and > events). > > One concern I have, and would like some feedback from others. I am > relatively new to the motorcycle riding. I went on a trip this weekend > and I find that overall the bike runs well at speeds under 90 km (55 > mph), but anything above that it feels like it is very unstable in the > wind. I went through 2 mountain passes on this trip, which > understandably is normally windy but at 100 km (60 mph) I was having > some time trying to keep it between the lines which makes the ride not > enjoyable when you have a couple of hours of this type of riding. I > guess I would like to know if anyone else finds this, or does it just > come with practice, or are there any suggestions that can improve this > condition. > > Regards, > Brian. > > ------------------------------ > > End of klr650-digest V1 #226 > **************************** --part0_905347526_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:38:34 -0400 I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... the rear rim was bent (the sales guy said "Of course we can replace that" though why they would let it out on the showroom floor like that is beyond me). The asking price seemed too high, also. They wanted $2850 for it... I happen to know they got the bike on a mechanics lein and have had it all summer, so I'm not too impressed with the asking price. I don't know the extent of the original damage to the bike, but when it first came out on the showroom floor it had a busted lever and it is still missing the handguards. I think the fairing was replaced and maybe the front fender. Don't know about the forks... The tires are fairly good. Given the shoddy feel to the dealership (like giving the impression they were hoping they could sell it with a bad rim to some schmuck), I'm not thrilled with the deal. Haven't ridden it yet. I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions of others that know more than I. Thanks, Doug Bouley _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 08:00:44 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... the rear rim was >bent (the sales guy said "Of course we can replace that" though why they >would let it out on the showroom floor like that is beyond me). The >asking price seemed too high, also. They wanted $2850 for it... > >I happen to know they got the bike on a mechanics lein and have had it >all summer, so I'm not too impressed with the asking price. I don't know >the extent of the original damage to the bike, but when it first came out >on the showroom floor it had a busted lever and it is still missing the >handguards. I think the fairing was replaced and maybe the front fender. >Don't know about the forks... The tires are fairly good. > >Given the shoddy feel to the dealership (like giving the impression they >were hoping they could sell it with a bad rim to some schmuck), I'm not >thrilled with the deal. Haven't ridden it yet. > >I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions >of others that know more than I. If it smells like a skunk, walks like a skunk and looks like a skunk..... RUN! Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html > >Thanks, >Doug Bouley > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 10:36:20 -0400 Cameron, Pete, Fred & Erik... Thanks guys. Nice to know I'm not hopelessly "out there" on this one. I'll keep looking. Them's was some mighty fast responses. Y'all must be as busy as I am today! But seriously, thanks. Doug _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Only improves with time.. Date: 09 Sep 1998 07:35:40 -0700 Dual Star (425-776-7433) is sponsoring a dual-sport ride this weekend (9/12) in the north Cascades. Pre-registration is required. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Bonenfant [SMTP:brbo@uniserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 7:34 PM > Does anyone on the list live in WA that knows of some organized > rallies in the NW part of the States (and where to locate dates and > events). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Service Date: 09 Sep 1998 08:46:53 -0600 Tom Clay wrote: > > At 14:21 -0000 8/9/98, r. kaub wrote: > >I called Aerostich today to order a liner for the Darien jacket I bought > >about a month or so ago. I didn't get the liner when I bought the jacket > >because of fiscal deficiencies. > >I politely asked the nice saleslady if she would consider charging me the > >price of the liner as if it were purchased with the jacket or $120 vs. the > >$167 for a liner purchased separately. After checking, she agreed to > >charge the lower price. I was very pleased as I was fully prepared to pay > >the $167 since I chose not to buy the liner originally. > >Ya can't beat that kind of service! Go Aerostich! > >Tell your friends. Thanks. > >Bob Kaub > >State University of New York > >PO Box 6000 > >Binghamton, NY 13902 > >607-777-2715 > > I couldn't agree more. Whoever's running Aerostich should go around giving > seminars on customer service. They're just about the only company in the > motorcycle business that I trust completely. > > Tom Clay > Winnipeg MB I've had the same experience... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) List notes part ???.... Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:14:05 -0600 A reminder to all of us to ensure a quality list: 1. When replying to a post use "cut and paste" editing to trim all unnecessary text from the post you are replying to. Leave only enough to establish a context for understanding your reply. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR DIGEST SUBSCRIBERS...if you simply hit reply you end up sending the entire digest to everyone on the list...this will generate a new unnecessary digest and get a lot of people frustrated very fast. 2. Always post to the list with your email program formatted for "plain text" only... anything else gives the digest people a real treat of page after page of garble... 3. Finally, please use NKLR in the subject header for anything not directly related to the KLR. This allows people to set filters (if you haven't discovered this feature in your email program I urge you to do so soon...) to disregard these posts if they are mostly interested in bike specific posts... Thanks for making this a fine list, Kurt Simpson (List Administrator) BTW we are at 294 listers and growing each day... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: omegacolor@sssnet.com Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) MESSAGE POSTING ETIQUETTE Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:26:05 -0700 This is CERTAINLY directed at NO ONE in particular so no return-fire please! The volume of subscribers & traffic has increased substantially. In an effort to make this list the best it can be for everyone, please ask yourself the following questions and follow these guidelines when posting or replying to messages. 1. Is the message relavent to a *significant* number of people on the list? Send personal traffic like "Hey Bort, you goin' to the Rally next week?", directly to the individual & not the list. 2. Do I really need to quote the ENTIRE message when replying? Not usually. Short ones OK. Make use of the cut & paste function to trim out what is not needed. I always RECOMMEND turning OFF the auto- reply option. Most people dont care to read ALL of what they just wrote again (and again and again) anyways. I see a lot of replying to replied replied replies - the message just gets longer and longer (and more annoying). This is almost as bad as the sin of perpetual forwarding... DIGEST FOLKS - Replying to the digest is ok but make DEADLY CERTAIN your auto quote option is TURNED OFF, and that your software is not sending it back as an attachment. Use cut & paste to grab the piece you're replying to. 3. Might the answer I'm looking for be in the archives? There's a good chance it is! If you've got some time, it's a great place to start. BUT, if you are in a hurry (you're reassembling your bike the night before the rally, it's 2am and you need a torque specification) by all means POST! Or if you're on an e-mail-only service like Juno, you wont be able to access the archives... 4. Can I post a non-KLR specific message? Certainly! Current convention is to put a "(NLKR)" in front of the subject. Note that it is not necessary to put "KLR" in front of KLR subject matter. ************************************* Sorry if I offended anyone - not my intention. Hats off to everyone for making this Dual Sport list the "Best on the Net" Best Regards, Scott Warstler A3 OH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) Balancer Chain Adjustment Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:02:45 -0600 Hello all, Servicing my bike for myself for the 1st time, I came up with some concerns. With respect to the balancer chain adjustment procedure in the owners manual, it says to loosen the bolt a few turns and then re-torque. To me it seemed as if it did not actually do anything. Is this the only procedure I need to do or am I missing an important set, or any suggestions on what others things I should check. I also had a bit of a concern with the 'general lubrication' in the manual, it doesn't really explain the procedure for removing the cables what type of lubrication to use or which cable should be done. If I could get some direction from some of you fellow listers that would be great. Thanks, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Royer, Timothy E." Subject: (klr650) FW: KLE500 Date: 09 Sep 1998 11:13:29 -0500 Gents I was traveling on business in Aberdeen Scotland last week and I happened across a KLE500 without a rider in parking lot where I was doing some business. I thought the group might like to hear from a KLE rider ( since the rumor mill is still going around about a KLR replacement :-) ) Tim Royer (98 KLR Kaw-Thump, the back road bomber) ---------- Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:49 AM Tim, Thanks for the return mail and the picture. Yours is much cleaner than mine!! I use my KLE pretty much every day, for the 4 mile cross town journey to work, and it is great for this since the height/ride position allow you to see and be seen much better. Weekends (weather permitting - not very often), and it is great for the roads we have around here. Lots of twisty, turny country roads, again you can see over a lot of the hedges etc, but the KLE performs really well on this type of road. For a tall bike it is remarkably easy to throw into the bends, and with the right power its sits up really well coming out the other side. Also, it flicks from one side to the other very quickly and easily. I haven't had it off road that much (we have to be a bit careful about where we can/can't go), but it has been fun on the gravel tracks that I have managed to find. The engine is fairly smooth since it is a twin, (virtually the same block as the GPZ500, obviously geared differently), and punchy enough getting up to speed. As with all upright seating positions, it gets a bit sore and tiring over long journeys, but with frequent comfort breaks it's not too bad. It is quite happy on the motorway, although the lack of fairing limits speed to about 80-90 comfortably (mph NOT kph). I have only been riding for 18 months, and the KLE is my first bike. It has been great fun over that time, as well as a reliable commuter for a taller person. It looks pretty nice, especially compared to the likes of the Dominator and the Elephant, and for a new rider has been pretty forgiving in sun, rain and even snow (although the latter provided some interesting moments). I would recommend it for beginners or experienced riders as a fun weekend bike and a reliable daily form of transport. I would think it would be quite exciting if they upgraded it to say a 650 or more. It would be interesting to ride such a machine. I am hoping for a test run on the Cagiva Canyon 900, which I have been reliably informed performs like a CBR600, but is a cool looking on/off roader. That could be pretty exciting. Anyway, keep me posted on the KLE situation, and if anyone is over this way, look me up. Regards Jonathan Snelgrove -----Original Message----- From: Royer, Timothy E. Sent: 05 September 1998 01:37 To: Snelgrove, Jonathan W. Subject: RE: KLE500 Hey Jonathan Thanks for returning my note. Like I said I ride your KLE's older brother the KLR650. I bought mine as a new 98 back in Aug of 97. There is a national Owners group over in the US devoted to the KLRs. The reason I left you a not is because there has been a lot of rumors that Kawasaki is going to replace the KLR with the KLE in the US. I don't know if it will be replaced as a 500 or upgrade it to 650 or higher. But Kawasaki is not saying. I use my KLR as an occasional commuter between Houston and College Station where I live. I also use it to explore the back roads ( both paved and unpaved) of Texas. I don't know how much you know about the KLR, but it's about the most road worthy, best balanced Dual Sport, that's around, but that's my opinion. It does have some vibration over long tours 100 to 200 miles, but it can be over come with some simple mods. I know that the KLR group would appreciate a riders view of the KLE . the e-mail to the group is: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Thanks Tim PS here is a view of my bike << File: cycle3d.jpg >> ---------- From: Snelgrove, Jonathan W. Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:25 AM To: Royer, Timothy E. Subject: KLE500 Tim, Hi, I got your note on my KLE500. I have had the KLE for a year and a bit, and it's really good fun, not exceptionally quick, but fast enough, and it's ideal for a tall rider like me! Great for seeing over things (like cars and hedges) as well. I have seen a few around Aberdeen, they seem quite popular. Happy motoring, speak to you soon Regards Jonathan Snelgrove MIS Aberdeen 01224 223252 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey P Moorbeck Subject: Re: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 11:10:56 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 djbouley@juno.com wrote: > I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... the rear rim was > bent (the sales guy said "Of course we can replace that" though why they > would let it out on the showroom floor like that is beyond me). The > asking price seemed too high, also. They wanted $2850 for it... > > I happen to know they got the bike on a mechanics lein and have had it > all summer, so I'm not too impressed with the asking price. I don't know > the extent of the original damage to the bike, but when it first came out > on the showroom floor it had a busted lever and it is still missing the > handguards. I think the fairing was replaced and maybe the front fender. > Don't know about the forks... The tires are fairly good. > > Given the shoddy feel to the dealership (like giving the impression they > were hoping they could sell it with a bad rim to some schmuck), I'm not > thrilled with the deal. Haven't ridden it yet. > > I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions > of others that know more than I. > > Thanks, > Doug Bouley Doug, I'd say your feelings are correct - walk away! An '89 in decent shape shouldn't cost more than $1800 and it doesn't sound like this one is in decent shape. -jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: (klr650) Plastic tanks and safety Date: 09 Sep 1998 12:19:28 -0600 I trust that the following will be perceived as not far afield from the c= ore issues intersting KLR riders/owners, particularly since we have recently entertained discussion of aftermarket plastic fuel tanks. This article is= oriented to automotive tanks but has application to bikes also. For anyone interested in reading the entire article, from which the follo= wing paragraphs have been snipped, refer to: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9607/Alvarado-9607.html Safety aspects of plastic fuel tanks: One critical part of the performance criteria of the tank is its ability to meet crash requirements. Generally, plastic tanks are considered safer in crashes because they are seamless and, thus, not prone to failures in the vulnerable seam areas. They are not a source of sparks. Also, plastic tanks deform and have some ability to rebound back to shape. When steel tanks absorb energy and deform, the pressure within the tank increases as the volume decreases. This makes them vulnerable at welded or clamped areas where failure can potentially occur. Thermal properties of the chosen material..... the tank must withstand extreme temperatures in North America from -40=B0C to 79=B0C in-tank temperatures. The 79=B0C temperature not only exceeds the boiling point of the alcohol fuels, but also creates sagging problems for plastic (especially under the weight of a filled tank) while the extreme cold introduces potential cracking problem= s. As a result, OEMs resort to heavier gauge plastic, negating at least some of the weight advantage, and must also use support brackets and special shields against the heat of local sources like an inferior or perforated muffler or tailpipe. Plastic acts as an insulator to retard heat transfer to the fuel when compared to a steel tank. In the case of an under-car fire, plastic tanks will retard the rise in fuel temperature, but they will soften, sag, and eventually release the fuel. A steel tank does not sag in a fire; however, the fuel temperature may rise rapidly, perhap= s resulting in over pressurization and release of fuel through a mechanical fitting. [...] regards, Dr Robert (He's not a real doctor...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: (klr650) RPM Drop/Weighted Bars Etc.. Date: 09 Sep 1998 17:01:51 EDT I'm a Newbie to the list, and a proud owner of a 1998 KLR650. I appreciate the wealth of info. that is available, and the great discussions on the list. In addition to trail riding with my son, I'm using the KLR for long multi- state highway trips at times, and would like to make the bike a little more comfortable at highway speeds. I realize that this is a typical newbie question, as I have been a part of several other bike lists (VFR/COG), but I have spent hours searching the archives (Is there a search keyword function?), and have found some information, but not all that I need. If anyone is willing, please send me your personal preferences and experience regarding the following modifications. You can e-mail them to me personally if you like, as to not crowd list with previously covered topics. 1. Sprocket changes to lower the engine RPM for cruising at about 75-80mph. 2. Weights or other suggestions for lowering handlebar vibration levels 3. Would changing to a different air filter improve power at all, without getting new exhaust/jet kit? Thanks in advance for everyone's suggestions. Flood my e-mail. Bill Swindle VFR754@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:49:28 +1000 Scott Wass wrote: > How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil > consumption? Sounds a bit more than a motor so young should use. You could try changing brand of oil. I once tried a heavier oil (Penrite Endurolube, about 25W/60) but it seemed to burn off even faster. Endurolube was designed for thumpers, and I assume that air cooled varieties were more in mind. I guess my worn rings were having trouble scraping off the thicker oil. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Date: 09 Sep 1998 16:20:10 -0600 "Newbie" Bill is the latest owner to bring up the subject of a sprocket change to lower RPM at high speeds. One dude's opinion: Don't. I often cruise in the 80's & 90's. We all know the engine has to work very hard at those times to counter wind resistance. Do you climb a steep hill at 3'000 or 4'000 RPM? I believe you're being nicer to your engine by revving it high like God intended and utilizing it's peak HP & torque than by sparring it the RPM's it craves and forcing it to labor. By the way my gas mileage on those fast rides is never less than the low 40's; it's usually more. Always, Bogdan (Not a real engineer, not even close) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: (klr650) Michelin Tire Sale Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:07:01 -0400 Anybody need a new front tire? Accesory Warehouse has Michelin T-65 Dual Sport front tires (90/90-21) on sale in their clearance area for $35.00. Also have the Alpinestars Global Jackets w/ "Camelback" pocket and house routing for approx $100. Thought I'd pass along a decent find..... Jake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: (klr650) Michelins Again Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:09:37 -0400 The part number for the tire is: 50586 @ $35.95 I forgot the first time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Balancer Chain Adjustment Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:55:55 EDT I just went through the same thing, and got advise from the same source as you, right here. Sure enough the balancer chain is easy; back off a couple of turns, whack the engine a few times with a rubber mallet, tighten it back down (but not too much.) Mine didn't tighten down as many turns as it loosened (1 3/4 turns as opposed to 2 turns..... is this normal?) As for what I do know about, lubing the cables. Mine were bone dry on delivery, so I removed the upper ends and used a cable lubing gimmick that I got for a few bucks at Cycle Gear and a can of Tri-Flow. You may also want to lube the handlebar under the throttle twist grip with a little moly grease, not the heavy lithium stuff from a grease gun. Bicycle bearing grease (Phil Wood) is good too, and less messy. I'm having a blast on this thing around San Francisco. I recently put on the lowering kit from Quality Engineering and that dropped the rear end 1 1/2 inches. After some experimenting I settled on raising the fork tubes up in the clamps only 1/2 inch. I think the springs are just a little soft, and this is a good balance to keep the front end up where it should (IMHO) be. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:17:55 +1000 Yo desert-dualling listers, Can anyone confirm a rumour I've picked up about lubing cables on bikes in desert conditions? Apparently, lubing cables on bikes for dusty conditions is not so good an idea, as the lube tends to hold dust (a bit like covering the chain in spray grease, making it a dirt magnet), so the cable clags up, where a dry (unlubed) cable would keep on working. Just curious, Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linus Subject: (klr650) Gaskets for the `90 and `96 KLR Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:33:54 +0800 Hi everybody, Could anyone tell me if the `96 KLR650 Generator case cover gaskets(left side of the engine) the same as for the KLR`90 model.The part no for the 96 is 11060-1692/93 and for the 90 is 11060-1111/12.The numbers are not the same as you can see. The Kawa spares dealer gave me the `96 gaskets,saying it would fit into the 90.Wonder if it`s true? Thanks everyone Linus KLR90 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:45:32 -0400 > I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... the rear rim was > bent (the sales guy said "Of course we can replace that" though why they > would let it out on the showroom floor like that is beyond me). The > asking price seemed too high, also. They wanted $2850 for it... I bought my '89 a few years ago for $1300. It was in fair to good shape and only had about 2k miles on it. Now that it has 20k miles and a lot more wear and tear I doubt I could get what I paid. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:55:41 EDT In a message dated 9/9/98 9:51:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, djbouley@juno.com writes: << I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... They wanted $2850 for it... I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions of others that know more than I. >> I would not touch this one, at least at that high of price. I paid $1800 for my '88 KLR in very good condition last year so I know you can do better than $2850. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RPM Drop/Weighted Bars Etc.. Date: 09 Sep 1998 21:10:39 EDT << If anyone is willing, please send me your personal preferences and experience regarding the following modifications.... 2. Weights or other suggestions for lowering handlebar vibration levels Bill Swindle >> Bill, There has been a lot of talk about bar end weights, jamming 4/0 copper electrical wire into the handlebars, or stuffing the bars with lead shot. I tried the 4/0 copper and found it only to be slightly effective, if at all. The best cure is to get a throttle lock so that you can rotate which hand is on the handlebars. I installed a Vista Cruise model and it is the best $22 I have ever spent. I never ever get numb hands anymore. Greg, A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 09 Sep 1998 21:17:13 EDT << How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil consumption? >> My 1988 KLR burns only 3 or 4 oz. in 1000 miles. I use 20w-50 oil. My bike has 12,000 miles on it. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:47:09 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Yo desert-dualling listers, >Can anyone confirm a rumour I've picked up about lubing cables on bikes >in desert conditions? >Apparently, lubing cables on bikes for dusty conditions is not so >good an idea, as the lube tends to hold dust (a bit like covering the >chain in spray grease, making it a dirt magnet), so the cable clags up, >where a dry (unlubed) cable would keep on working. > >Just curious, >Mister_T > > > Hey Ted, I guess I qualify as a desert DSr. I lube my cables all the time. The lube will attract a little dirt on the outside of the cable but I never have had any problem with getting dirt inside the cable. I think the biggest problem is with the barrel end of the cable getting dry or dirty. The barrel end will get dry before the cable will. This is where most cables break anyway. I personally like to lube my cables and not my chain and sprockets. Like I always say "different strokes!" Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:07:38 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Yo desert-dualling listers, >Can anyone confirm a rumour I've picked up about lubing cables on bikes >in desert conditions? >Apparently, lubing cables on bikes for dusty conditions is not so >good an idea, as the lube tends to hold dust (a bit like covering the >chain in spray grease, making it a dirt magnet), so the cable clags up, >where a dry (unlubed) cable would keep on working. > >Just curious, >Mister_T ============================== Here's what I've learned: Cable maintenance in the old days was easier when they'd put grease fittings on them. (Nowadays you usually don't even get them on the swingarm....the excuse being that people were shooting dirt in with the grease. But dirty grease seems better than dry sleeve bearings.) Dry moving parts can bind, and more so when they get dry crap stuck in'em. I think your cables are less likely to bind in oil... sure dirt piles up on oil, but oily grit slides easier than dry grit....I don't think the oil is gonna shove the dirt in. Anyway, the cables look well sealed at the terminations to keep dust out. And the average cable needs oil to operate smoothly, as do the handlever pivot, and cable yoke. Here's one way to lube your cables........take off cable at upper connection... get a ziplock bag and cut off a bit of a bottom corner... put the cable end in the bag and secure the bag to the cable, get a broomstick and make it look like you're giving your bike an I.V. Now put a bit of oil in the bag and let sit overnight. This is pretty cheap...unless you need to buy a broom and the ziplocks. Here's an additional note on replacement cables. Make sure the cable terminator operates freely in the yoke. If it binds, it fatigues the cable, causing early failure. Do add a dash (heh heh) of oil there. ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:34:45 -0700 Hi all San Diego (my town) is the home to many things...WD-40 among them. WD-40 needs no introduction I'm sure. It holds a similar status to one of my other favorite things....DUCT TAPE ( not from San Diego I think). They are both extremely versatile and effective not only for what they were designed for but almost anything you can think of. What pray tell does this have to do with cable lubing you ask? Well I mentioned the WD-40 guys were local. Some of their advanced marketing type dudes came by our shop and asked if we would test a new WD-40 product. Its called TAL-5 (I'm not making this up). It has basically the same properties as WD-40 and comes out of the aerosol can at about the same viscosity however it quickly thickens to a light weight grease like substance. It strikes me as the perfect cable lubricant. I like it. Watch for it where ever fine aerosol products are sold. Morgan and for you trivia fans....WD-40 was originally designed to lubricate gyros in intercontinental ballistic missiles. The W. D. stands for water displacement. Really, I'm not making this up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Kick-starters for the KLR Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:43:03 PDT I'm wondering if anybody might be able to give me some information regarding kick-starter kits for the KLR (I own a '97). I've heard Kawasaki offers them but I've also heard questions raised about their reliability and effectiveness. All this is second and third-hand though so I'm looking for some first-hand feedback that has a little more substance to it. Any good options for putting a kick on the KLR? If so, who makes it? And how much can I expect to pay? Awaiting on you all... Juan Villarreal Panama City, Panama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:45:04 -0700 At 07:34 PM 9/9/98 -0700, Robert Morgan wrote: >Hi all > San Diego (my town) is the home to many things...WD-40 among them. >WD-40 needs no introduction I'm sure. It holds a similar status to one of >my other favorite things....DUCT TAPE ( not from San Diego I think). They >are both extremely versatile and effective not only for what they were >designed for but almost anything you can think of. What pray tell does this >have to do with cable lubing you ask? Well I mentioned the WD-40 guys were >local. Some of their advanced marketing type dudes came by our shop and >asked if we would test a new WD-40 product. Its called TAL-5 (I'm not >making this up). It has basically the same properties as WD-40 and comes >out of the aerosol can at about the same viscosity however it quickly >thickens to a light weight grease like substance. It strikes me as the >perfect cable lubricant. I like it. Watch for it where ever fine aerosol >products are sold. >Morgan >and for you trivia fans....WD-40 was originally designed to lubricate gyros >in intercontinental ballistic missiles. The W. D. stands for water >displacement. >Really, I'm not making this up. Personaly, I am fond of a product called Cable Life that my Kawa dealer here in town sells. Works lovely. WD-40 is a product that has always left me cold, Perhaps its all of the yellw DW varnish that I had to scrape out of cruddy shotguns back when I worked as a gunsmith. :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 09 Sep 1998 22:55:21 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Ted Palmer wrote: > Scott Wass wrote: > > > How much oil does eveyone elses motor use? My 95 seems to use quite abit ...about 8-10 oz. per 500 miles. The bike has 8k miles on it and seems to run fine otherwise. Is this out of line for oil > > consumption? > > Sounds a bit more than a motor so young should use. > You could try changing brand of oil. I once tried a heavier oil > (Penrite Endurolube, about 25W/60) but it seemed to burn off even > faster. Endurolube was designed for thumpers, and I assume that air > cooled varieties were more in mind. > I guess my worn rings were having trouble scraping off the thicker > oil. > > Mister_T Hey guys, Scott, Mr.T, I also have a KLR that seems to be burning a little too much oil. The oil level reaches the minimum after about 300 hundred miles, so it basically means I have to take a refinery with me if I want to take a long ride. It didn't burn oil at all last year up until it had about 11,000 miles. Last winter I rode the bike often because of the mild El Nino weather in Milwaukee, but I distinctly remember not changing my 20w50 right away when the temperature fell (BIG mistake). I also remember warming the bike up a few times and seeing white smoke for a little while. I didn't put two and two together at the time, but now I know that I probably wore out (burnt) my piston rings. I'm seriously considering pulling the engine and replacing the rings this winter. Has anyone on the list done this procedure themselves. Should I be doing this myself (I am adventurous), is it fairly straight forward, or is this more of a mess than its worth. It would be consoling to hear that a do-it yourselfer had done this successfully. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Carlos (91 KLR, 17,100mi) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Russell Day-Long Saddles web page Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:50:12 -0000 Russell Day-Long Saddles web page: http://www.day-long.com/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) highway pegs? thoughts? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:51:03 -0700 Highway pegs? Do they really work? I know Gino and Jack have a set, but is there any other KLR riders that swear by them? thanks for your response, 6' 2 1/2'' Anderson **************************************************************** Dear 6' 2 1/2- The highway pegs from Driveline I'm sure will be one of the most practical mods done to my KLR. For touring, the additional footing option is indispensable. Your personal height shouldn't be an issue since you can sit further back if you're tall (unless toting a passenger). Also, the price makes the pegs a value and a half. Thanks Mr. Bernard and Co. for a fine one-of-a-kind product! Darrel A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: Top End rebuilds (was: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption) Date: 09 Sep 1998 22:34:40 -0700 > I'm seriously considering pulling the engine and replacing > the rings this winter. Has anyone on the list done this procedure > themselves. Should I be doing this myself (I am adventurous), is it > fairly straight forward, or is this more of a mess than its worth. In the few weeks I've been reading the list, I've seen quite a few mentions of top end work being done on listers KLRs at around 12,000 miles (and similar intervals thereafter). This seems overly frequent to me, though perhaps it is a 'thumper' thing? Just curious ... Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr650) FW: KLE500 Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:45:19 -0600 >Tim, > > Thanks for the return mail and the picture. Yours is much cleaner >than mine!! I use my KLE pretty much every day, for the 4 mile cross town >journey to work, and it is great for this since the height/ride position>........but the KLE performs really well on this type of road. For a tall bike it >is remarkably easy to throw into the bends, and with the right power its>......... I have only been riding for 18 months, and the KLE is my first bike. >It has been great fun over that time, as well as a reliable commuter for a> I would think it would be quite exciting if they upgraded it to say >a 650 or more. It would be interesting to ride such a machine. I am hoping >for a test run on the Cagiva Canyon 900, which I have been reliably informed >performs like a CBR600, but is a cool looking on/off roader. That could be >pretty exciting. >. Those interested in the Canyon, Ducati will be bringing it to the US according to two dealers I`ve talked to when I was trying to import a Cagiva E650 Lucky Explorer (Dakar Elefant) this spring. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) F650 Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:10:44 -0600 I have had my 1st bike klr650, about 2 months now and have put about 5000 km on it, and I really enjoy this reliable, all round good tourer, but somewhat archaic mode of transportation. Lately though I have seen many different DP's around town (most likely 'cause I look for them now). So I visited my local BMW dealer, to see the competition and maybe do a few wheelies. Luckily they had a '97 F650 (4000 km) there that I was able to burn around the block a few times on. One thing I have to definitely comment on is the smoothness of the single rotax, twin plug, twin carb. engine. I also wanted to mention the fit and finish quality was all that of a beamer. So this rider gives it 2 thumbs up for the above mentioned qualities. But 2x the price of a klr ?? not for me. Next the thing that bothered me was that the dealer said it was a good off road'r but if you look through the brochure it specifically states that this bike is not made for more than a smooth dirt road -- and they more or less worn you about this on every single page (how confident does this make you feel about the bikes DP capabilities). Conclusion: put the GS suspension on it, drop the price 1/3 rd , a bigger tank, and shaft drive, and I might consider it. Any other comments out there,, regards, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Foot pegs Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:10:06 PDT Oops, it's me again. I forgot to consolidate my questions. I'm crazy like that I guess... In addition to the kick-starter (which I've since found out is not compatible with any post-95 model KLRs- - it sucks to be me...) I was wanting to know if anybody has been able to find any good, wide, moto-cross type footpegs for the KLR. I know there were some mentioned in one of the KLR newsletters but upon calling the guy I was told that production had been discontinued. I do a lot of shopping via Dennis Kirk and Chaparral so if there's anything out of those catalogs that will work please let me in on it. Standing on those rubber pegs just gets me a little nervous when the going gets wet or muddy. Thanks- - Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Foot pegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 00:17:20 -0600 -----Original Message----- I was wanting to know if anybody has been able to find any >good, wide, moto-cross type footpegs for the KLR I have some for sale made by IMS for $65.20 Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) List notes part ???.... Date: 10 Sep 1998 01:10:15 +0300 -----=D6zg=FCn =DDleti----- Kimden: Kurt Simpson Kime: KLR List Tarih: 09 Eyl=FCl 1998 =C7ar=FEamba 17:24 Konu: (klr650) List notes part ???.... >A reminder to all of us to ensure a quality list: > Simply move the cursor below the desired ingredients of former message an= d press CTRL-SHIFT-END and DELETE. Isn't that all Kurt? Birol SAY, M.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:08:59 -0400 Okay, Since we are on this subject, I have to ask this one: Who uses what, if anything (Fred ;), for their chain and how do you/they apply it? Anything has to be better than what I am using/doing. Darren (Squeaking in Virginia) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:21:49 -0700 At 07:08 AM 9/10/98 -0400, Darren Koepp wrote: >Okay, Since we are on this subject, I have to ask this one: > >Who uses what, if anything (Fred ;), for their chain and how do you/they >apply it? Anything has to be better than what I am using/doing. First, what are you using/doing? Personaly, Chain Wax is proving to be most sucessful for me. Does not attract dirt and the chain actualy stays fairly clean. Its a spray-can produst that can be found at most any MC dealer. -tom '96 KLR 650 28,300 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:26:58 -0700 At 11:10 PM 9/9/98 -0600, Brian Bonenfant wrote: > I have had my 1st bike klr650, about 2 months now and have put about >5000 km on it, and I really enjoy this reliable, all round good tourer, >but somewhat archaic mode of transportation. Lately though I have seen >many different DP's around town (most likely 'cause I look for them >now). > So I visited my local BMW dealer, to see the competition and maybe >do a few wheelies. Luckily they had a '97 F650 (4000 km) there that I >was able to burn around the block a few times on. One thing I have to >definitely comment on is the smoothness of the single rotax, twin plug, >twin carb. engine. I also wanted to mention the fit and finish quality >was all that of a beamer. So this rider gives it 2 thumbs up for the >above mentioned qualities. But 2x the price of a klr ?? not for me. Next >the thing that bothered me was that the dealer said it was a good off >road'r but if you look through the brochure it specifically states that >this bike is not made for more than a smooth dirt road -- and they more >or less worn you about this on every single page (how confident does >this make you feel about the bikes DP capabilities). > Conclusion: put the GS suspension on it, drop the price 1/3 rd , a >bigger tank, and shaft drive, and I might consider it. Youve pretty much captured the avreage KLR lister appraisal of the F650. Is it nice ? Sure. Is it worth the price of admission? Questionable. Is it anything resembing a dirt bike? Hell, no. At least you can flog a KLR and *make* it do some dirt bike-like things in a pinch. And, personaly, twin carbs is a substantial turnoff for me, given the long-standing issues with troublesome tuning these have. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) highway pegs? thoughts? Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:30:00 -0700 At 08:51 PM 9/9/98 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote: >From: "Peter M. Anderson": > >Highway pegs? Do they really work? I know Gino and Jack have a set, >but is there any other KLR riders that swear by them? I had a set that came off of an old Harley that I fitted to my KLR. I like the concept but I never did get these bent properly to fit me. Now they have mysteriously disapeared. Eve as ill-fiting as mine were, they were a net-assed in the comfort department. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: Top End rebuilds (was: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption) Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:59:23 -0700 At 10:34 PM 9/9/98 -0700, Tony Jones wrote: > >> I'm seriously considering pulling the engine and replacing >> the rings this winter. Has anyone on the list done this procedure >> themselves. Should I be doing this myself (I am adventurous), is it >> fairly straight forward, or is this more of a mess than its worth. > >In the few weeks I've been reading the list, I've seen quite a few >mentions of top end work being done on listers KLRs at around 12,000 >miles (and similar intervals thereafter). This seems overly frequent >to me, though perhaps it is a 'thumper' thing? Near as I can tell it is not a common thing, realy. Mine didnt even need a valve adgustment until 19,000 mi. The only finiky thing is the counterballancer chain. Just need to make sure that the tentioner is working and dont overtorque it. -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,300 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Lowering Links Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:14:03 I've been calling Quality and leaving messages but nobody's calling back. Does anybody else sell high quality lowering links? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) whaddayathink?? Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:56:21 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905432181_boundary Content-ID: <0_905432181@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/9/98 8:03:26 PM EST, AGSholar@aol.com writes: << << I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... They wanted $2850 for it... >> If anybodly is looking for a used KLR, there are some from our local LISTERS. I know that the KLR Web page has several also. Example, my '93 with many extras and well taken care of for $2400. I bet if you noted that you were interested you would find the right KLR right here. I think that this dealer is about $1200 off by your description..... MN Ron --part0_905432181_boundary Content-ID: <0_905432181@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya03.mx.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:03:25 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id VAA04454; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGv5k-0006y0-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:00:08 -0600 Received: from (imo19.mx.aol.com) [198.81.17.9] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zGv5h-0006t0-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:00:05 -0600 Received: from AGSholar@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OCMUa10121 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:55:41 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: AGSholar@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/98 9:51:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, djbouley@juno.com writes: << I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... They wanted $2850 for it... I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions of others that know more than I. >> I would not touch this one, at least at that high of price. I paid $1800 for my '88 KLR in very good condition last year so I know you can do better than $2850. Greg --part0_905432181_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: (klr650) Chain cleaning? Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:36:22 -0500 (CDT) The manual says to clean the chain unsing kerosene or "diesel oil" [whatever that is]. OK, so I paint the kerosene on with a little brush, and then scrub the heck out of it with all manner of other brushes. It eventually comes mostly clean, but what a pain in the neck! My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or tool which will make this task easier? TIA Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:36:17 -0500 (CDT) > Personaly, Chain Wax is proving to be most sucessful for me. Does not >attract dirt >and the chain actualy stays fairly clean. Its a spray-can produst that can >be found >at most any MC dealer. > > >-tom >'96 KLR 650 >28,300 mi. I also used Chain Wax and find that it's the only stuff that doesn't immediately fling off all over the back end of my KLR. I have a little plastic doodad that I bought at the dealer's which allows me to direct the spray directly at the chain. This saves me from having to stand back six inches and flail away with the spray going into the wind and not on the chain. Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Re: Kick starter Date: 10 Sep 1998 06:58:02 PDT Sorry Linus, the only thing I know is that I can't have a kick on my '97. As for those of you that can... I recommend going to the bulletin and letting one of the "haves" send you in the right direction. Juan Villarreal >Hi Juan, >Do you know where I could get the kick-starter kit for my 90KLR? >Also how much is it? >Thanks >Linus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:00:00 -0700 Aerosol lithium grease, applied sparingly to each side of each link while the chain is warm (but not too warm). Dreas Nielsen > -----Original Message----- > From: Darren Koepp [SMTP:darrenk@mnsinc.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:09 AM > > Okay, Since we are on this subject, I have to ask this one: > > Who uses what, if anything (Fred ;), for their chain and how do > you/they > apply it? Anything has to be better than what I am using/doing. > > Darren (Squeaking in Virginia) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Lowering Links Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:49:20 EDT In a message dated 9/10/1998 5:22:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rkaub@binghamton.edu writes: << 've been calling Quality and leaving messages but nobody's calling back. Does anybody else sell high quality lowering links? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 >> I just got mine two days ago and put them right on. Change your time of day that you call, he's always been there when I called. He also just got a new batch done. Cost is about a hunnert' bucks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:00:24 -0700 -----Original Message----- > >of the F650. Is it nice ? Sure. Is it worth the price of admission? >Questionable. Is it anything resembing a dirt bike? Hell, no. At least >you can flog a KLR and *make* it do some dirt bike-like things in >a pinch. > > And, personaly, twin carbs is a substantial turnoff for me, >given the long-standing issues with troublesome tuning these have. >-Tom >'96 KLR 650 ================ I thought the F650 was nice too, but expensive (I need affordable) large, (I want compact) and heavy (I want nimble). So it has two carbs? ...really......what's that for? So if one carb falls off you can still drive it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain cleaning? Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:22:04 -0400 Tom Clay wrote: >My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or tool >which will make this task easier? Tom, I have been using a Grunge Buster for about the last year and found it to be most capable at cleaning the inner recesses of my mind and chain. It runs about ten bucks in the shop or you can mail order it from a small ad usually in the back CW or MC magazines. I have noticed no damage to my O-rings after several close inspections over the last year. Has saved lots of knuckle skin too. Jake in Jacksnville, FL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) Chain cleaning? Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:24:32 -0400 I just use Simple Green and any old brush and it works great. Just hose down the chain, spray with Simple Green, scrub to get it all over, let stand for a few minutes, rinse and scrub off. Make sure you rinse it well to get all the cleaner off. I usually go for a quick spin to get all the water off the chain and to warm it up before putting the chain lube on. James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clay [SMTP:umclayto@cc.UManitoba.CA] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:36 AM > To: mailing list > Subject: (klr650) Chain cleaning? > > My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or tool > which > will make this task easier? > > TIA > Tom Clay > Winnipeg MB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 -- Aprilia Pegaso 650 is better Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:31:28 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Eric Rhoads wrote: > > I thought the F650 was nice too, but expensive (I need > affordable) large, (I want compact) and heavy (I want nimble). > Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe as well) you can opt for the Aprilia Pegaso rather than the F650. It uses the same Rotax lump but with 5 valves. It looks better than the F650 as well (but that's just a personal opinion). It's had a major facelift since last year and looks even more like the F650 now. Personally I prefer the old styling. I've ridden the 96 model and it sure was a hell of a lot smoother than my KLR. It's lighter too, I think. I've gone to the local bike shop to look at the Cagiva Canyon 900. Quite a looker. One thing though, I couldn't understand why it had two tanks... apparently, you've got to fill up both sides each time... It uses a detuned Ducati twin lump so should be quite a ride as well. Haven't managed to blag a ride yet. My 2p. Yus. -- Yusseri Yusoff / y.yusoff@ee.surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/showstaff?Yusoff Centre for Vision, Speech and Signal Processing University of Surrey Guildford GU2 5XH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:45:03 -0400 Okay the votes are in and Chain Wax has it by 3! I will buy/purchase it and use/apply/"dash-it-on" it sparingly. I think you are right Fred. Over 7K on this one and I never took great care of it really. How many miles do you get from your chain? Anybody recommend any good chains? I was using/doing the ole' timy oil can thing with just oil. 20/50 for my beast and "Mr Freeze" thumps along happily. Engine is smoother than I would expect not much vibration in the mirror department either. I change it when I get board, every 2K or so. (I get board every month ya' see.) I use the stuff in the yellow bottle - heard it doesn't get great reviews. Maybe I shall change next time. Any one recommend a good oil??? Just kidding (LOL) Darren (Chain whipped in Virginny) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) Balancer Shaft Date: 10 Sep 1998 09:01:24 -0600 I asked the question 2 days ago about the owners manual's procedure on adjusting the balancer chain bolt. Everyone advised me to loosen bolt, and tap the side of the case with a rubber mallet and snug back up. My concern now is before I got the info. I did tighten the bolt possibly overtorqued, definitely more than snug. So how can I find out if I damaged anything without having to tear everything apart. I did redo the procedure after I got the info and the bolt loosened 2 turns and snugged back up 2 turns (no difference/no adjustment made?). Thanks, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Balancer Shaft Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:52:21 -0400 There is no benefit by overtorquing it of course.. behind that bolt is an arm attached to a spring. when you loosen the bolt the spring tensions the arm against the chain. If it disnt strip out, dont worry about it. If it did, expect about a 1 hour job of having the case cover and magneto pulled off to helicoil the threads. > I asked the question 2 days ago about the owners manual's procedure > on adjusting the balancer chain bolt. > Everyone advised me to loosen bolt, and tap the side of the case > with a rubber mallet and snug back up. > My concern now is before I got the info. I did tighten the bolt > possibly overtorqued, definitely more than snug. So how can I find out > if I damaged anything without having to tear everything apart. I did > redo the procedure after I got the info and the bolt loosened 2 turns > and snugged back up 2 turns (no difference/no adjustment made?). > Thanks, > Brian. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Jones Subject: (klr650) re: chain lube/chain cleaning Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:16:01 -0700 (MST) >From: Tom Clay > I also used Chain Wax and find that it's the only stuff that >doesn't immediately fling off all over the back end of my KLR. I have a >little plastic doodad that I bought at the dealer's which allows me to >direct the spray directly at the chain. This saves me from having to stand >back six inches and flail away with the spray going into the wind and not >on the chain. >From: Tom Clay >My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or tool which >will make this task easier? FWIW: I bought this chain lube gizmo from Competition Accessories. It's made of red plastic about 5" long, and it snaps around the chain. Straw from the can of lube attaches to it. You basically then rotate the rear wheel while spaying lube. Inside is a set of plastic bristles that make contact on all 4 sides of the chain to remove goop. After a lubing, they are always filthy. The bristles seem strong enough to take some abuse and I recall seeing something about it having a lifetime warranty. At first I was unimpressed, but now with more practice I'm warming to it. If you use a lot of lube it does tend to drip out of it (onto the floor but only in a constant spot). You don't need to worry about spraying onto the rear wheel etc Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) chain clean brush Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:39:27 EDT Howdy, I bought a gimic called "the Grunge Brush" from my local dealer made by a company called simple solutions (e-mail Simpleslns@aol.com 800-636-1919). It is a brush that has three heads that face inward with one open end (guess like a horeshoe). It allows you to scrub the bejeebers out of a chain in a little less time. I think the product is distributed by White brothers. My dealer warned me not to prop the bike on the cneterstand and use the brush when in gear. He hheard about somebody getting a phallangeal-ectomy by this method. Steve 98 RX/C 620 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: (klr650) KLR Dealer Service Question Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:45:50 EDT So My 98' KLR is at the dealer right now for it's service, and the dealer just called me and asked if I wanted him to adjust the carb mixture. He said that they come a little too lean from the factory and that they like to open them up a little bit, and that it gives better throttle response and starting. I said "Does that cost anything?" He said. "Yeah, it's $27.50 to make the adjustment" I said "No thanks". Now my question is...Is this something that I can do in a few minutes when I get the bike back home from the dealer, and is it true, or was he just trying to yank another 30 bucks outta my pocket? Wondering about my dealer service dept., Bill Swindle Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Chain brush Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:08:37 PDT >My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or >tool which will make this task easier? > >TIA >Tom Clay >Winnipeg MB Check out the Grunge Brush, Tom. Quite a clever little device for cleaning chains. Your dealer should carry it. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:14:29 -0700 List, Does anyone know of a reliable, accurate, easy to use tire pressure gauge? I'm tired of using the cheap ones....been using three cheap ones at the same time and averaging them. thanks, ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) KLR Dealer Service Question Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:25:25 -0400 Did you ask them what specifically they were going to do? If they were just going to adjust the mixture screw it is something you can do yourself easily. > -----Original Message----- > From: VFR754@aol.com [SMTP:VFR754@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1:46 PM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) KLR Dealer Service Question > > So My 98' KLR is at the dealer right now for it's service, and the > dealer just > called me and asked if I wanted him to adjust the carb mixture. He > said that > they come a little too lean from the factory and that they like to > open them > up a little bit, and that it gives better throttle response and > starting. I > said "Does that cost anything?" He said. "Yeah, it's $27.50 to make > the > adjustment" I said "No thanks". > > Now my question is...Is this something that I can do in a few minutes > when I > get the bike back home from the dealer, and is it true, or was he just > trying > to yank another 30 bucks outta my pocket? > > Wondering about my dealer service dept., > > Bill Swindle > Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) speaking of tires, and Patagonia Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:17:55 -0600 What are your experiences and recommendations for very durable tire inner tubes for KLR650 in moderately nasty off-pavement (Colorado 4WD road/granite track) conditions, partic when used with Gripsters? Second subject: How many dual-sporters would entertain a trip to Chilean Patagonia in Dec 1999? This is only the draft stage. It would probably mean delivering your bike to ocean transhipper in Miami about 1 October for a consolidated container shipment, and then picking it up in either Santiago or Valparaiso, Chile about first week of December. You get there as you can, or perhaps we can get an air carrier to give us a decent group rate from Miami. Do the reverse about 3 or 4 weeks later on a date we would need to predetermine. Chile customs for bikes has been pretty liberal as long as you leave the country with the bike within 6 months. For the in-country tour, we can talk about details later, such as small-groupings or purely freelance. If we can keep ocean freight dates together and get about 8-10 bikes, I think we can get the ocean shipment down to about US$800, round trip. Plus your airfare, which has been about US$1000 RT from mid-US cities for that time of year. I did 3,000 miles around southern Chile in 1997-98. If you can view attached JPEGS, I might even send your a sample picture. Is anyone even remotely interested? Dr Robert (Do it now, before you get too old) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Dealer Service Question Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:45:59 -0600 -----Original Message----- >So My 98' KLR is at the dealer right now for it's service, and the dealer just >called me and asked if I wanted him to adjust the carb mixture. He said that >they come a little too lean from the factory and that they like to open them >up a little bit, and that it gives better throttle response and starting. I >said "Does that cost anything?" He said. "Yeah, it's $27.50 to make the >adjustment" I said "No thanks". > >Now my question is...Is this something that I can do in a few minutes when I >get the bike back home from the dealer, and is it true, or was he just trying >to yank another 30 bucks outta my pocket? > >Wondering about my dealer service dept., > >Bill Swindle >Montgomery, IL. > > It is an easy job once you can get to the adjuster. You need to get to the screw adjuster that is behind a plug on the bottom of the carb. Either rotate your carb or remove it to see the bottom. You will see a small 1/4" brass plug. Take a small drill bit and drill through this plug taking care not to drill into the adjuster just under this plug. Take a sheet metal screw and screw it into the hole you just drilled and with some pliers pull out the plug. The adjuster screw should be about 3/4 of a turn from closed from the factory. It needs to be about 2 1/2 to 3 turns out. If you have problems email me. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:32:29 -0600 snip > > > Conclusion: put the GS suspension on it, drop the price 1/3 rd , a > >bigger tank, and shaft drive, and I might consider it. snip > > And, personaly, twin carbs is a substantial turnoff for me, > given the long-standing issues with troublesome tuning these have. The folks at the US Kawasaki distributor, who bought an F650 for evaluation, say that it is "half again the bike for twice the price." Florida Frank, known to many listers, is reportedly giving up the KLR650 in favor of the F650 for his round-the-world attempt. Twin carbs on single? What problem? Lots of singles use them, and they have a generally excellent rep. A yes to larger tank, but after having a number of BMW GSs, I'd say forget the GS suspension and shaft drive in favor of the lighter weight, lower cost, and easier maintenance (yes - it is easier to replace a few chains than fix a buggered shaft-spline problem). -- Dr Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:48:33 -0600 -----Original Message----- >List, > Does anyone know of a reliable, accurate, easy to use tire >pressure gauge? > > I'm tired of using the cheap ones....been using three cheap ones at >the same time and averaging them. > >thanks, >ericR > > > Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type of air guage?? Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) re: chain lube/chain cleaning Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:11:44 -0400 "Fling", "doodad", "flail", "gizmo", "goop","giimic", "bejeebers", "phallangeal-ectomy" and lets not forget "dash" I love our technical words for what we do to our bikes :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Chili . . . Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:49:19 PDT >From: bruixot@rmi.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) speaking of tires, and Patagonia > >How many dual-sporters would entertain a trip to Chilean Patagonia >in Dec 1999? I'm interested and eager to make such a trip before I get too old, however old that may be. Please send the jpeg to marick@leland.stanford.edu (not the email account I'm responding from, which can't handle them). Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:51:15 -0600 Not tagging on per Kurt's instructions. Fred Hink: Like Dr. Science you do know more than I do however, I've come across some inaccurate dial gauges. The Syracuse pencil gauge that Dual Star sells is primo in my experience. Also, if you turn out the mixture screw like you advised will gas mileage change or does that only effect idle? Bogdan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: (klr650) Throttle Grease was Balancer Chain Adjustment Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:21:34 -0400 > From: Triphenia@aol.com > >You may also want to > lube the handlebar under the throttle twist grip with a little moly grease, > not the heavy lithium stuff from a grease gun. Bicycle bearing grease (Phil > Wood) is good too, and less messy. > DO NOT grease the throttle twist grip! The plastic tube is meant to slip on the handle bars with no additional lubricant required. Adding any type of grease is unneccesary and possibly dangerous should there be any resistance in the grease. I have an old issue of Dirt Bike mag which lists the 10 most common myths/boners of dirt bike maintenance. This one was up near #1. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario '97 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: (klr650) High Mileage Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:14:34 -0400 With the recent thread of premature top end failures I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR out there? How many miles can they go? Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario '97 KLR650 (3550 km) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) speaking of tires, and Patagonia Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:45:06 PDT >What are your experiences and recommendations for very durable tire inner >tubes for KLR650 in moderately nasty off-pavement (Colorado 4WD road/granite >track) conditions, partic when used with Gripsters? Dr Robert (that's the name of a good Beatles song by the way; check it out on their "Revolver" album...), My belief is that 8 oz of "Slime" tire sealant in each tire will do more for your cause than any particular type of tube. I've gotten into some pretty rugged stuff down here in Panama and at times I've felt that it's been the difference between gunning the throttle and bustin' beads. The trip sounds great by the way, but it'll probably have to wait until I have a little more girth and a little less hair (I'm 31 by the way). Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:33:59 EDT Yep, next year's get-together is June 3-6, two full days with an arrive and departure date thrown in there. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:03:40 +1000 Darren Koepp wrote: [what chain lube?] I've used Chain Wax, but found it a bit too stiff in cool weather. Over winter/spring/autumn, I use my trusty old can of Bel Ray chain lube. Chain Wax does work nice in summer for me, though. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #229 Date: 10 Sep 1998 18:52:10 +0100 > >Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:38:34 -0400 >From: djbouley@juno.com >Subject: (klr650) whaddayathink?? > >I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... They wanted $2850 for >it... >I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions >of others that know more than I. >Thanks, >Doug Bouley I am headed upcountry to buy a 96 KLR 650 holdover that has 800 miles on it and full warantee until June 99. They ae asking 2790 for it. This is a bike they took in on trade on a Ducati and they can't sell. They have been doppping the price by a couple of hundred bucks every month or so. GRINNNNNN. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:10:57 +1000 Eric Rhoads wrote: [...] > So it has two carbs? ...really......what's that for? So if one > carb falls off you can still drive it? Twin carbs aren't so bad in most "normal" conditions. It's a better way of handling the pulsey flow of a big single. I assume that the Beemer carbies are "progressive" ie only one carby operates at low speed. A small carby meters better at low speed that a big carby. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: NKLR Re: (klr650) F650 -- Aprilia Pegaso 650 is better Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:16:54 +1000 Yusseri Yusoff wrote: [...] > Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe as well) you can opt for the > Aprilia Pegaso rather than the F650. It uses the same Rotax lump but with > 5 valves. It looks better than the F650 as well (but that's just a > personal opinion). It's had a major facelift since last year and looks I've read a few tests on the Pegaso (mainly in "Fast Bikes") and it seems like a nice ride. Those Rotax's are pretty common over there, so I guess there are a lot of tuning parts around. A five valve head with some decent ports has some appeal to me. Too bad we don't them over here in Oz, our market is too small. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) High Mileage Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:27:48 +1000 David Sim wrote: > > With the recent thread of premature top end failures > I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR > out there? How many miles can they go? I'm sure there's bikes out there with more than the 80,000km my bike has on it. Mine's had quite a bit of thrashing on the road (and track :-) and the top end is quite sound. However, the bore/rings/piston are pretty sad. But it still starts and runs (once I fixed the starter clutch, not enough compression left to kick start anymore). I've seem a KLR600 with 100,000km on it, that had gentler use than I've given mine. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:55:27 +1000 Fred Hink wrote: [...] > Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find > one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type > of air guage?? I use a Shraeder(sp?) digital on my bikes, it seems to work ok. It has the benefit of having both straight and 90deg extensions. The 90 deg extension is the only one that works well with the old Honda "Comstar" wheels on my 750, especially on the 16" front. The Shraeder was a bit pricey, but it claims to comply with some standards for accuracy. For the boring old car, I picked up a cheaper digi gauge from an Oz "Dick Smith" shop (an aussie version of Tandy or Radio Shack). Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) what's a top end failure? Date: 10 Sep 1998 19:36:37 EDT Howdy, I have now heard several references to the "top end". As in after 4.2 x 10 to the 15th mile, I had to have the top end redone? What parts of the bike are you referring to? Steve (who can consistently maintain his own top end via Viagra) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) what's a top end failure? Date: 10 Sep 1998 18:00:54 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Howdy, > I have now heard several references to the "top end". As in after 4.2 x >10 to the 15th mile, I had to have the top end redone? What parts of the bike >are you referring to? The top end is everything in the engine above the crankshaft and more specifically the head, cams, valves and valve guides. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) what's a real number? Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:51:42 -0600 NILSTIAR@aol.com wrote: > As in after 4.2 x 10 to the 15th mile You really mean 4.2 x 10 to the 3d, do you not? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Belstaffs; Jesse aluminum bags Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:57:57 -0600 Feedback, please, on two dual-sport/KLR-related products: 1. Who has had firsthard experience with the newer cordura jackets in the Belstaff Protoura line? results? value? ventilation? performance? pockets OK? that sort of thing? 2. Who has had reliable experience/rumour/et al about the Jesse brand aluminum panniers? Value? durability? theft-removal resistance? stopping small-calibre bullets? that sort of thing. TIA Dr Robert "There is no point in being alive unless you can live at the height of your hysteria at all times." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) Givi stuff Date: 10 Sep 1998 19:11:06 -0500 To mount Givi bags, does Givi make the mounts, or Fivestar? if both, which is best? Thanks Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linus Subject: (klr650) 77,000 mi Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:27:45 +0800 A friend of mine has a KLR `89 with 124,000kms(77,000 mi)-the meter reads 24,000 kms now and still running. Linus KLR90 At 03:14 PM 10-09-98 -0400, you wrote: >With the recent thread of premature top end failures >I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR >out there? How many miles can they go? > >Dave Sim >Kitchener, Ontario >'97 KLR650 (3550 km) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:11:45 EDT In a message dated 98-09-08 16:54:07 EDT, norton@bgnet.bgsu.edu writes: << Boy, that's quite a change from this year (April 24-26), Fred. I was hoping to make the '99 Moab event, but, unfortunately, I'm going to be in Lake Placid, NY, on the June 4-6 weekend >> We changed the date for two reasons. One was to allow the weather to stabalize and get some of the snow out of the mountains for dual sport riding up there. The other was to take advantage of a slow tourist time so Moab won't be so crowded. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Red River Rally! Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:10:06 EDT In a message dated 98-09-08 16:10:29 EDT, tresritos@hotmail.com writes: << I just got back for Red River for the 1998 FSSNCC Rally. I could not be there for the festivities on tues. & weds. due to classes in college, so I just went for sun. & mon. >> Josh and all. I just got back from the Thumper Rally in red River also. Got there Monday and left this morning. Great, great rally. Well organized and lots of great singles, about 140 total. Since the beginning of the rallies, the Yamaha SR500 has always been the top bike there, this year the KLR650 took most popular bike with 16 of those puppies showing up! Dual Sports made up 49% of all of the bikes there with a smattering of DR's, KLX's, Honda's and 2 KTM Adventures. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:30:05 EDT << Who uses what, if anything (Fred ;), for their chain and how do you/they apply it? Anything has to be better than what I am using/doing. >> I was using Chainwax but bought a can of PJ1 "won't fling off" chain lube for o-ring chains and like it a little better. It goes on thinner and appears to penetrate down deeper into the chain than the Chainwax did. After it sets up, it is just like the Chainwax as far as consistency. To apply it, I built the wooden side stands mentioned on the KLR web page and use those to lift the rear wheel off the ground, and then simply spray the lube on the chain using the thin platic straw that came with the can while I rotate the tire. Greg, A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Hein Gericke Jacket Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:55:21 -0400 I found a local dealer w/ the Hein Gericke Boost Jacket and Pants for a decent price and wanted to see if anyone has an explicit reason for avoiding this product. Any experience would be gratly appreciated; you can post to me directly in the interest of saving list space. Jake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Partial mirror vibration solution and topcase Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:42:05 EDT I bought two rubber isolated mirror mounts from J.C.Whitney for $4 each and they do reduce the vibration of the mirrors considerably. The high frequency vibration is gone and now only a low frequency vibration exists. It is so low that you can make out what the objects are in the mirrors. I would recommend them, especially for the price. At the same time, I also bought from them a DEVO hard topcase. It is flat black, large (but not too large), easy to install, light weight (4 or 5 lbs), lockable, watertight, and removable in one second by pusing a button when the key is in the unlock position. I can fit my XL helmet, raingear, tools, spare clutch cable, gloves, etc. in it all at once. It has the same type of styling as the GIVI but does not look quite as good. But it only cost $80. I lucked out on both purchases since I had never seen either one in person but I would highly recommend both to anyone in the market for these type of items. You could always return it if you were not satisfied, minus shipping costs of course. Greg, A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) NKLR tire gauge:Thanks! Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:11:47 -0700 List, thanks for all the responses to my tire gauge query. ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KLR650@webtv.net (Conall O'Brien) Subject: (klr650) High Mileage KLRs Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:17:32 -0700 (PDT) --WebTV-Mail-1980009947-1197 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I've had No major problems and believe it or not no valve adjustments either. Conall --WebTV-Mail-1980009947-1197 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit KLR 650 A4 52k miles w/Castrol 10-30W --WebTV-Mail-1980009947-1197-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) NKLR oiling chain: one method Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:43:55 -0700 First, here's how I lube my chain: I lube 'often enough'. Normally I do it by spraying a short, easily reached section of the chain. The way to know it's 'often enough' is by simple inspection. If the whole chain looks wet, I'm doing it often enough. I count on hitting a different part of the chain each time even though doing a short section....this works conveniently for me. On cleanup: Chain oil gets all over, and my easy/cheap solution for cleaning the wheel, swingarm, etc. is simply to use a little WD-40 on a paper towel. (finish-wipe with dry cloth) Different folks are using different products and I wonder if you guys using whale oil based lubes are having the same difficulty keeping it around as I am? regards, eric oh, PS .....that was BS about the whale oil, no flames please, I already know I'm sick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) High Mileage Date: 10 Sep 1998 23:55:26 -0700 At 06:31 PM 9/10/98 -0400, David Sim wrote: >With the recent thread of premature top end failures >I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR >out there? How many miles can they go? > I have a friend who has one that has over 100,000 miles on the bottom end and almost 50 since a top end over haul. Runs like a bat outa' hell. -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,000+ mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:59:52 -0500 My old 87 burns a negligable amount of oil after 21k miles. Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr650) tire pressure gauge? Date: 10 Sep 1998 23:22:40 -0600 > >>List, >> Does anyone know of a reliable, accurate, easy to use tire >>pressure gauge? >>>thanks, >>ericR >Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find >one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type >of air guage?? > >Fred Hink Fred, I`ve got a digital gage I got from Snap-On, very accurate but it turns out it doesn`t work very well on aircraft tires, (it was a pistol grip type that wouldn`t reach weird angles) so he gave me credit . I think probably the best all-around gages are the dial type with a 90 degree adapter directly attached, no hose. I`ve been using one for the last four years on aircraft tires, struts, pressurized props and my bike, has held up very well and periodically check the calibration on our fuel injection test bench and it has remained surprisingly accurate. I`ve seen decent one at affordable prices at Napa or other auto stores. Mine came from Snap On, but I wouldn`t pay that price again, one of my mechanics got one at Checker Auto that has held up just as well as mine at half the price. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 10 Sep 1998 23:30:54 -0600 > >I've used Chain Wax, but found it a bit too stiff in cool weather. >Over winter/spring/autumn, I use my trusty old can of Bel Ray chain >lube. >Chain Wax does work nice in summer for me, though. > >Mister_T I agree. I love Chain Wax, but starting about this time of year (we`re in the 30`s in the morning now) I clean my chain and switch to conventional chain lube. The Chain Wax does get a little too stiff when it gets cold. Skip (who`s starting to get a little stiff now myself) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Hein Gericke Jacket Date: 10 Sep 1998 23:38:04 -0600 >I found a local dealer w/ the Hein Gericke Boost Jacket and Pants for a >decent price and wanted to see if anyone has an explicit reason for >avoiding this product. Any experience would be gratly appreciated; you >Jake Jake, A former riding partner had a yellow/ gray Boost jacket and I liked the jacket except for the fact it had no armor and ventilation was poor. Thats the only experience I`ve had with them. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Possible free wind noise solution Date: 11 Sep 1998 03:16:22 -0000 Just for fun, I removed the windscreen. I'm a happy camper. For those who are annoyed by the wind roar, give it a try, three screws and its free! The wind blast now hits me just below my neck, no problems. Cheers... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) High Mileage Date: 11 Sep 1998 06:46:25 -0500 For what it's worth, I know it's not a KLR, but I have a friend who rides a Vulcan 500 with 100,000 miles. He bought it brand new. Only very minor things like cam chain tensioner, a switch, speedo drive. But still has the original drive belt, and he set's the valves once a year. Never an internal problem. He never babies that thing either. Runs 80+ down the interstate all the time. Just a testiment to Kawaski's endurance. Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? Date: 11 Sep 1998 06:24:25 -0600 MCN reviewed air guages around 2 years ago and found pencil guages to be the most accurate and of course cheapest...the top rated? syracuse (bought a handfull at walmart for $1.99) also well recieved? camel (pep boys)....bob Fred Hink wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rhoads > To: KLR List > Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:15 PM > Subject: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? > > >List, > > Does anyone know of a reliable, accurate, easy to use tire > >pressure gauge? > > > > I'm tired of using the cheap ones....been using three cheap ones at > >the same time and averaging them. > > > >thanks, > >ericR > > > > > > > > Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find > one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type > of air guage?? > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports > http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Belstaffs; Jesse aluminum bags Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:26:11 -0400 >2. Who has had reliable experience/rumour/et al about the Jesse brand aluminum >panniers? I bought a set of Jesse panniers for my 98 KLR and can't say enough good things about them. I had Jesse paint them powder black. All joints are fully seam welded, top covers hinge outward to hold a sandwich during a stop, dual push pins with keyed locks hold each cover down over a rubber seal that lines the top of each box. The exhaust side box is form-fitted for the KLR like other bags, and offers a very narrow profile overall. They're heavy-duty aluminum, surprisingly lightweight. Volume is slightly smaller than some of the large aluminum boxes (Touratech?) made in Germany, but still substantial. As far as value, when it comes to hobbies this late in life I tend to not look at the price. They aren't cheap. Theft resistance can be controlled to a degree, they can be removed from the bike if the tops are open or if you don't use stove-type bolt heads on exterior mount locations. Bullets? Dunno 'bout that, but they might slow a dinky bullet. That particular specification is best applied to a helmet, I think, though I've been told brain damage in my family may be an improvement. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Hein Gericke Jacket Date: 11 Sep 1998 06:34:12 -0600 My yellow and grey boost came w/armour incl back-protector...not much venting but there are ways...bob skip faulkner wrote: > >I found a local dealer w/ the Hein Gericke Boost Jacket and Pants for a > >decent price and wanted to see if anyone has an explicit reason for > >avoiding this product. Any experience would be gratly appreciated; you > >Jake > > Jake, > A former riding partner had a yellow/ gray Boost jacket and I liked the > jacket except for the fact it had no armor and ventilation was poor. Thats > the only experience I`ve had with them. > > Skip -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Footware Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:25:18 Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me nothing. They are the newer style with the monster lugs on the bottom. I've found them to be very comfortable and fairly waterproof if you keep them polished. All-in-all, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending a couple of hundred plus on boots that don't do all that much more. Comments? Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Mirror Vibration Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:47:58 -0400 The fuzzy mirrors on my KLR don't bother me. However, I do not know if it is the DR650 or the DR650 mirror design, but.... I rode my friends DR650 and the mirrors were almost as solid and clear as my old GoldWing. Has anyone trying to fix the KLR mirrors tried screwing DR650 mirrors on the KLR. Pat Austin, TX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re; Chain Lube Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:55:04 -0400 Reading all the post on chain maintenance I have started to feel a little guilty. I have been riding almost 20 years and I have never ever cleaned my chain. Even on my dirt bikes. On my dirt bikes I would just keep the chain soaked with old motor oil. Probably not the best method and it is *really* messy. But old oil was cheap, etc. Today I am much more "high brow" and spray the chain with White Lithium Grease after each ride. Yes the chain holds some grit on it. My point is that eventhough both methods are sub standard by normal chain maintenance lore, my chains seems to last at least as long as the next guys. I have 9K miles on mine now and it looks great. (I would be interested in knowing when other have changed theirs.) I wonder if it really matters that much given the new fangled O-ring chains if you pamper them they will last a great deal longer. Comments? Pat Austin, TX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Throttle Grease was Balancer Chain Adjustment Date: 11 Sep 1998 10:41:58 EDT In a message dated 9/10/1998 1:26:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bikenut@continuum.org writes: << From: Triphenia@aol.com > >You may also want to > lube the handlebar under the throttle twist grip with a little moly grease, > not the heavy lithium stuff from a grease gun. Bicycle bearing grease (Phil > Wood) is good too, and less messy. > DO NOT grease the throttle twist grip! The plastic tube is meant to slip on the handle bars with no additional lubricant required. Adding any type of grease is unneccesary and possibly dangerous should there be any resistance in the grease. I have an old issue of Dirt Bike mag which lists the 10 most common myths/boners of dirt bike maintenance. This one was up near #1. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario '97 KLR650 >> Suit yerself. I've been doing it for yeeeeeeears, and with a good slippery grease this makes for very smooth, minute changes in throttle. Of course this is my first DP bike, and it's unlikely I'll auger the twist grip into the dirt. I got it to ride on bumpy, hilly streets in horrible traffic. The before and after results of doing this on this particular bike are to the good. Triphenia (1.5 times schitzpphrenia, not quite quadrophenic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mirror Vibration Date: 11 Sep 1998 07:52:26 PDT > Has anyone trying to fix the KLR mirrors tried screwing DR650 mirrors on the KLR? Pat, I haven't used (or seen) DR650 mirrors on a KLR, but I DID take Jake Jakeman's bit of advice and switched to Honda XR650 mirrors with the built-in vibration dampeners. Problem solved! And whaddaya know, I find I use them a lot more. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter M. Anderson" Subject: (klr650) long highway trips? Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) If you were present last night, I would have made you all proud. I got into a heated argument with a Harley dude who told me that my KLR 1. does not have enough power, 2. nor could the engine handle it, and 3. nor my ass, to travel on the highway from Boston to Calif and back! I just ordered highway pegs and am in the process of ordering a corbin seat. I'd like to hear from the gang who has ridden long highway distance on the KLR, and just how many miles. staying strong, anderson == Peter Michael Anderson Hero On Ice _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 11 Sep 1998 12:29:43 -0400 I don't know about off-road use (yet!), but on the highway, I'm with you, Bob. My current boots are the old-style, non-lugged combat boots with silicone treatment for water resistance,and a "sport" aftermarket insole. Very adjustable, especially with a two-lace system. Cheap, solid, decent ankle support (though no padding, of course), great for walking, etc. Stand up to petroleum crud pretty well. Excellent heel grip & toe box for my problem feet... Ugly as sin, but so am I . Yes, I know that silicone can cause longevity problems with leather, but these boots are cheap to replace and the StaDri does a good job of, well, helping them Stay Dry... And what's a little cracking amongst friends, eh?? Have considered the "jungle" style for summer, but haven't been all that uncomfortably hot in the regular ones, so... Previous boots were the old-style Herman Survivors. Very much like the combat boots, except honest-to-gosh waterproof... they went at least 100,000 miles in acceptable shape, and survived two crashes with no damage to my ankles under some pretty impressive abrasions to the boots.. Would've bought another pair, but the new ones don't look as good and cost twice as much. Doug (could combat boots be the KLR of footwear?) On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:25:18 "r. kaub" writes: >Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. >I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me >nothing. >They are the newer style with the monster lugs on the bottom. I've >found >them to be very comfortable and fairly waterproof if you keep them >polished. All-in-all, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending a >couple of >hundred plus on boots that don't do all that much more. Comments? >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Fwd: FSSNOC-RED RIVER RALLY Date: 11 Sep 1998 11:32:07 PDT Ron Hampe-- witness to history... And a Good Time was had by all, especially yours truly... The F-650 ran just great. Did lose a some power over the 7000 foot mark, but that was to be expected... The scenery was fantastic, real western looking with high peaks, not mountainly like Colorado, mostly canyon riding.. The best is it is only 550 miles from Wichita..Even Ted Turner has a few acres near Red River... 500,000 or thereabouts. We had 133 in attendance on 111 motorcycles representing 22 states and one couple from England..I am guessing that 2/3 of those attending rode in... Those who did ride in logged 52,347 miles... Who says you can't tour on a single (19 of the 111 were on multi's )?... The KLR was the number one choice with 16, F-650's (including the Strada) numbered 11, and the MZ's also totaled 11... All told the Dual Sports represented 45% of the bikes at the rally... DS numbers are increasing each year.. The food was the best ever and at this years banquet we had entertainment for the first time... We had a great guitar player and a drummer on caribbean style drums playing music from the 50's and 60's with a lot of commentary about the culture of those times... Brought back a lot of memories... They played a lot of Marly's music... We also had Topeka, Ks. public tv there filming a segment for a program and they will have the video availble for FSSNOC members to purchase... Not bad for a little old club from Hutchinson , Ks. Randy and I rode straight thru on Thursday... This was a new mileage record for me on a Thumper... We covered the 550 miles in 10 hours and never went over 75... I do think I am going to pop for a little bit taller and wider windshield (oh, another part of my body just asked for a little better seat). Well, time to go hug the tank and thank the bike for another great and safe ride... I hope all of you had as great a week as I had. RON HAMPE ( : - ) >> FSSNOC #1214 KLR 650 DSOG BMWMOA #66471 CHAIN GANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:00:11 -0600 As a former Desert Storm troop, I recommend the Matterhorns: Goretex, Vibram, and thinsulate.Wore them for 5000 km in South America last year. Lotsa Alcan riders seem to wear them. Not pretty at cocktail parties but you can ride and hike in them, and still be nimble enough to run or kick those ankle biting critters . Cost about US$125 at military clothing sales (need your ID card). FWIW r. kaub wrote: > Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. > I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me nothing. > They are the newer style with the monster lugs on the bottom. I've found > them to be very comfortable and fairly waterproof if you keep them > polished. All-in-all, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending a couple of > hundred plus on boots that don't do all that much more. Comments? > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Bending alumnium Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:22:18 PDT I'm building a frame for saddlebags, bending up 1-1/4" wide aluminum strip. they make a really awful tearing sound when you bend them and there are obvious surface tears on the outside of the bend. I've done this before and nonetheless achieved a pretty stout structure, but I worry about it. Does anyone have any tricks that enable such aluminum strips to stretch a bit under such bending, rather than tearing? For instance, heating? Thanks, Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Re: XR650 mirrors (mirror vibration) Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:32:27 PDT >Honda XR650 mirrors with >>the built-in vibration dampeners. >Juan....I was wondering, how do they look? Do they look 'right'? I mean >like they belong there...and are they black? If they would integrate well >on the bike I might see about getting some. >thanks, >ericR Eric... I'm not REAL big on aesthetics, but then again as a kid I never had those orange flags on my bicycle either. You get the picture... Given that, I'd say they look normal to me; I've never thought about or noticed that element of it, so I guess that says something in itself. And yes, they are black. One element you may want to think about though is the cost-- I dropped around $65 for my pair (bought 'em from a dealer). I'd try this forum first ("Hey, does anybody have a pair of XR650 mirrors they want to sell to Eric?!"). Best o'luck man. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: (klr650) Long Highway Trips Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Anderson: I've done some 300 mile days (on the stock seat, no highway pegs, no throttle lock) and probably could have ridden another 100-200 miles. With me, alot has to do with the weather - don't like HOT. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Fwd: technical help. Date: 11 Sep 1998 18:33:47 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905553227_boundary Content-ID: <0_905553227@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Any ideas here? --part0_905553227_boundary Content-ID: <0_905553227@inet_out.mail.ath.forthnet.gr.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (rly-ya03.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.195]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:18:05 2000 Received: from nefeli.forthnet.gr (nefeli.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.20]) by rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA16321 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ath.forthnet.gr (ppp-mar247.ath.forthnet.gr [194.219.224.26]) by nefeli.forthnet.gr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24800 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:17:10 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35F93FCA.17DBCDDB@ath.forthnet.gr> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends. My name is Jim and i am from Greece. Maybe u can help. Recently i bought one KLR 650 (second hand). The first thing when i got it was to change oil. I went to the engineer and changed oil (Motul Oil). After 2500 miles my motor stopped. I went to the engineer and the KLR was out of oil and stuck. Inspite having 2.3 lt of oil in the tank it had 200ml. The motor didnt seem to have oil leackage or to burn oil. The pressure of the motor was very strong and didnt seem to have problems with cylinder&piston. Was working smoothly and strong. The exaust gasses where clear. According to u what was the reason that the KLR burnt 2 lt. oil for 2.500 miles. Can u help ? Sorry for my poor english . --part0_905553227_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 12 Sep 1998 07:50:02 +1000 r. kaub wrote: > Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. Ah, no such thing. > I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me nothing. I tend to stick to my Alpinestars MX leather boots. The steel edge on the front makes them a better propostion for kicking cars, not to mention the 1.5kg mass of each boot. The leather is about 3mm thick and the sole is reinforced for that kickstarting bollocks. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Re; Chain Lube Date: 12 Sep 1998 08:07:24 +1000 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: [...] > I wonder if it really matters that much given the new fangled O-ring > chains if you pamper them they will last a great deal longer. Comments? FWIW, the supplier I get my chains and hardened sprockets from ("Chain Gang" Brisbane Oz) more or less claims that on the upper quality O-ring chains, lubing is mainly to keep the outside of the chain from rusting. I still clean my chains, it's part of the whole clean bike thing for me. I'm one of those weirdos that polish the underside of the mudguards. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) O-ring chains Date: 11 Sep 1998 18:17:39 -0500 I know of a TDM850 that got 23K, and a CBR1000 that got 25K out of one set of sprockets and chain. Of course these were strickly street use though... Jim. > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrBo Subject: (klr650) Accessories,, Date: 11 Sep 1998 16:56:47 -0600 Hey Fred, I wanted a bit of info on a couple of parts on the list that we previously discussed. The magnetic drain plug, has it been a popular item, and what kind of performance does it give? does it actually make a difference from what a good quality fram can trap? Also the bulb H4 90/130 - what kind of regulations do most states have on bulb strength? is it different for a bike versus a car? Does it improve the light power enough to justify $15? How well to the gel grips improve vibration? or else do they do? anyone else who wants to respond to these items feel free,, thanks, Brian '98klr650-5462km ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mirror Vibration Date: 11 Sep 1998 19:04:08 -0500 > The fuzzy mirrors on my KLR ..,, Has anyone . . . Scientific mirror test I did: Broke my KLR mirror off. Needed another one quick. Took an old rusty one about 2 " longer off an old 70 Honda SL350 I had sitting around so I could get back on the road until I got a replacement, . . Three Results: 1. I can actually see behind me now in the Honda mirror, not just my shoulder. 2. The vibration is much reduced with the old long mirror. Go figure? 3. I've had several "comments" of how nice my "dirt bike" now looks with that old long rusty mirrow on one side. Do you think those cruiser guys at work are just putting me on? I consider the source. Conclusion: Now looking in the J.C.Witney catalog for a pair of long old Honda mirrors with out any exotic springs/weights or aerodynamic benifits. Maybe they even have them in KLR Black. Food for thought. Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Kovaliv Subject: (klr650) Hope nobody minds. Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:36:05 -0400 I know this is the KLR list, but does anybody have any information or links for the new Honda Dual Sport that is coming out? The KLR is still my first choice for next spring but I should check out the competition right? Michael Kovaliv Windsor, Ontario. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Kovaliv Subject: Re: (klr650) Hope nobody minds. Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:45:48 -0400 I was at my dealer today and they mentioned I should check out the new Honda Dual Sport. Maybe they have it wrong. Fred Hink wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kovaliv > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 6:33 PM > Subject: (klr650) Hope nobody minds. > > >I know this is the KLR list, but does anybody have any information or > >links for the new Honda Dual Sport that is coming out? The KLR is still > >my first choice for next spring but I should check out the competition > >right? > > > >Michael Kovaliv > >Windsor, Ontario. > > > > > > > > I have heard rumors of a new Honda dirt bike but nothing about a DS Honda. > The dirt bike is supposed to replace the aged XR600. I hear aluminum frame > and water cooled mentioned. Nothing about displacement. If you hear > anything please let me know. > > Fred Hink > Arrowhead Motorsports > http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Product review: Belstaff Protoura Date: 11 Sep 1998 19:25:37 -0600 Fellow list correspondents claim that I am too picky with my jacket selection. They are right -- I am picky! Also stubborn and opinionated and....disappointed at how the Belstaff Protoura jacket turned out. But your mileage may differ. Herewith is first impressions of Belstaff Protoura jacket, versus Cortech Tour Master jacket, as serious multiseason on/offroad items: Neither crash testing nor waterproofness testing available yet. Taller collar on the Belstaff is nice, as is the feel of the material there on my post-Neanderthal neck. Tourmaster Cortech version loses a point here. Inside pockets. Belstaff has poor zippers and non durable nylon pocket material. Belstaff down one. Cortech Cordura material seems more durable. Again, no crash testing, but I suspect that the Belstaff would shred more readily. Belstaff Protoura elbow padding items seem almost useless in how I would normally fall (do I fall normally?) but Cortech seems only marginally better in this respect. Both would probably roll away from an elbow in distress. Belstaff has no standard back pad but Cortech does, and it inspires confidence. So Cortech comes out a little better on the padding/shredding fall protection thought experiment. Perhaps as a result of its perceived less durable nature, the Belstaff Protoura seems to be not as stiff as the Cortech. Cortech front lower pockets too shallow. Belstaff about right here, with deeper pockets reminiscent of the good old days of waxed-cotton Belstaff/Barbours and real Six-Day Trials..... but upper pockets just too small. I like the Belstaff handwarmer slash pockets. Although I prefer big durable snaps to velcro, the one of the Belstaff snaps would not stay snapped. Lose a point and return to quality control, now. Lack of any ventilation on Belstaff is unwholesome, making it unwelcome for the variable-temperature riding we get into. Cortech tried here, with partial success, but you have to be moving along. What is needed, I think, is an extended 2-way flap-protected pit-zip design similar to US military tactical goretex parkas. Anatomists and IR-sensor designers will tell you that the armpits vie with the crotch for being a body hot-spot. The Belstaff claims to be a breathable waterproof material but the nylon liner just isn't as free-breathing as the Tourmaster Cortech approach which uses a mesh liner. Front main zipper on Belstaff is sized too small. No doubt it will come apart after a little hard use. The storm flap on the Belstaff is a good move, as is the elastic at the very bottom skirt. The belt position on the torso is better for my body with the Belstaff than the Cortech jacket is. The back pocket on the Cortech is a nice touch. Extra credit! Zip-in liners on both are about equal, and no great shakes. In my opinion zip-in liners are not a good move, since most multiweather riders tailor their layering, and deleting the liner would make pricing nicer. And speaking of pricing: even with the Protoura on sale, it would cost about US$50 more than the Cortech. Final grades: For my purposes and biases, I believe that the large-size Tourmaster Cortech jacket will be the choice, even though the sleeves are going to be a bit too long, and the skirt too short. On a 10-point scale, the Belstaff would get a 6, and the Cortech a 7 (primarily rated for features, fit, perceived durability, cost/value). Nobody gets an "A" in my classes. By the way, the treatment and service at Chaparral Motorcycle Accessories (related to these jackets) has been exceptional. FWIW, Dr Robert ("Ride long and hard and fast, dammit, and take no prisoners.") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Re: KLR Parts For Sale Date: 11 Sep 1998 18:40:25 PDT >>Fred, I just sent off a check to cover the footpegs and the >>shipping. Unfortunately it looks to be about 20 cents short of what you may be >>needing. Sending it surface or 3rd class might be cheaper (I'm >>patient). Whatever you decide is fine by me. Juan >Juan, That is close enough. When I get your check I will get your footpegs in the mail. >Fred Fred, consider that to be among the best 20 cents you will have ever written off, as you've just bought yourself a loyal customer. Take note all you bulletin readers. Here's a guy who has the picture! ARROWHEAD MOTORSPORTS, Moab, Utah (moabmc@lasal.net). Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Re: Darien Date: 11 Sep 1998 19:49:47 PDT Alex wrote: >Dear Juan, >I saw a post of your on the KLR list and would like to ask you a question. >I'm taking a 14 months to ride my 98 KLR from Chicago to Tierra del Fuego then ship it to Australia for a bit. Have you heard of ANY possibility of the ferry that used to go to Colombia resuming operations??? Thus far I am resigned to the idea of shipping by air, but would prefer the sea route. >Thanks for your response. >Alex Jomarron >Oak Park, IL >88 BMW K75S >98 KLR 650 Alex, I think you're referring to what used to be the Crucero Express out of Colon. My housekeeper has agreed to make some phone calls to check on the status of that company and any others that might offer a similar service (as you may have gathered, I don't speak Spanish- - whaddaya expect with a name like Juan (Carlos) Villarreal?!). I'll also have her ask about surface options to Ecuador, because when you're talking about risk, there's Mexico, Central America, South America (all manageable, IF handled smartly), and then there's Colombia. We get intel briefings all the time on what's going on down there, and it ain't pretty... If the choice is a boat to Colombia or a plane to Ecuador, I'd opt for the latter. No offense intended to any Colombian KLR riders, but I despise the Colombians, 'cause if you see a Colombian in Panama, he has money, and if he has money, he's part of a syndicate. At any rate, I'll try to get some info to you before the weekend's out. By the way, anybody passing through Panama City, Panama is welcome to crash at my place. I have plenty of room along with a really cool view of the Pacific (the company ain't bad either). Just give me a few day's notice. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 11 Sep 1998 19:55:36 -0700 -----Original Message----- >>I tend to stick to my Alpinestars MX leather boots. The steel edge >on the front makes them a better propostion for kicking cars, not to >mention the 1.5kg mass of each boot. >The leather is about 3mm thick and the sole is reinforced for that >kickstarting bollocks. > >Mister_T ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ .....you know Ted, I bet it'd be a real kick in the butt to actually meet you. ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Hope nobody minds. Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:13:59 -0700 The KLR is still >my first choice for next spring ========= I don't believe you. but I should check out the competition >right? ========== You should be horse-whipped for even thinking such a thing. >Michael Kovaliv >Windsor, Ontario. ======= ..........and if you do find out anything interesting about the bike you shouldn't post it on here. ericR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) (Nklr650) Chain cleaning? Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:15:46 -0700 Tom- My approach was to get a master link from the Kaw dealer, break the chain and install M-link. Now I can remove chain and clean much easier. Then apply chain wax or Hondalube. Both clean and dry lubes. Ride Safe, Darrel---A12 ****************************************************** The manual says to clean the chain unsing kerosene or "diesel oil" [whatever that is]. OK, so I paint the kerosene on with a little brush, and then scrub the heck out of it with all manner of other brushes. It eventually comes mostly clean, but what a pain in the neck! My question is this: is there some type of specialized brush or tool which will make this task easier? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) long highway trips? Date: 11 Sep 1998 22:38:30 -0500 (CDT) >I'd like to hear from the gang who has ridden long highway distance on >the KLR, and just how many miles. This summer I did a 6500km [4000 miles?] trip. I guess my average would've been around 500 miles per day. I have the stock seat and windscreen. The seat seemed fine to me. Maybe I just have a lead butt or something. Of more use, to me anyway, was a throttle lock [NEP CC-3 installed as per the instructions in Gino's newsletter]. I can assure you the bike is up to the task of going coast to coast. It's funny to hear a Harley rider talk of "lack of power". The Harley's I've ridden [Sportster, Dyna and "Heritage Softtail"], don't make much more power than the KLR, seems to me. Or at least none that gets translated into any noticeable speed. There are guys on this list who make my road trips seem like short hops in the countryside. There are even a couple of listers, I believe, who have done the Iron Butt on KLRs. Amazing. Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Possible free wind noise solution Date: 11 Sep 1998 22:38:28 -0500 (CDT) At 3:16 -0000 11/9/98, ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: >Just for fun, I removed the windscreen. I'm a happy camper. For those who >are annoyed by the wind roar, give it a try, three screws and its free! The >wind blast now hits me just below my neck, no problems. > >Cheers... I did the same thing about three months ago. There seems to be a little more frontal pressure but I'm used to it now, and so relieved to be free of the roar that I have no plans to put it back on. You're right, a very good price too! Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) F650 -- Aprilia Pegaso 650 is better Date: 11 Sep 1998 11:30:10 -0400 > > Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe as well) you can opt for the > > Aprilia Pegaso > Too bad we don't them over here in Oz, our market is too small. I've also seen ads in the Brit mag Bike for a Suzuki Freewind or something (not sure if that is the correct name, it does sound like a fancy name for farting). Looks to be a tarted up DR for the street. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Chain cleaning? Date: 11 Sep 1998 22:49:14 -0500 (CDT) At 3:15 -0000 12/9/98, Darrel & Deanna wrote: >Tom- My approach was to get a master link from the Kaw dealer, break the >chain and install M-link. >Now I can remove chain and clean much easier. Then apply chain wax or >Hondalube. Both clean and dry lubes. Ride Safe, >Darrel---A12 Yeah, this is a good idea. This is what I did on my last chain drive bike fifteen years ago. I don't think that particular chain was an O-ring. For some reason I was under the impression from the manual that this was not a good idea, but I never had any problems with a master link before. thanks Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mirror Vibration Date: 11 Sep 1998 21:54:48 -0600 >Pat, > I haven't used (or seen) DR650 mirrors on a KLR, but I DID take >Jake Jakeman's bit of advice and switched to Honda XR650 mirrors with >the built-in vibration dampeners. Problem solved! And whaddaya know, I >find I use them a lot more. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR > Juan, My A9 saw very marginal improvement with the XR mirrors. Same was true of Kevin Anderson`s 96' model. I had better luck with the Suzuki dampers which were $11. The best method for me, which gave me crystal clear mirrors except for an rpm range of 3400 to 3600, (I just pass thru there) is a little too radical a mod for most (must cut the mirrors) but now looks good and always works. The one thing about the XR mirrors and the Suzuki dampers is that I`ve noticed as it got colder, the blur got worse, probably due to the rubber getting stiffer. The main thing is if it works for you, go for it. Thats the thing about a lot of ideas you see here is that what works for some, may not work for others. Thats the fun part of working your bike up, trying different ideas and there are a lot of good ones on this List coming from a great bunch of people who are trying to help each other out, even if something doesn`t work, the advice was well intended. Skip (who`s SO says he doesn`t take enough advice) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 12 Sep 1998 00:26:02 -0700 At 09:25 AM 9/11/98, r. kaub wrote: >Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. >I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me nothing. >They are the newer style with the monster lugs on the bottom. I've found >them to be very comfortable and fairly waterproof if you keep them >polished. All-in-all, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending a couple of >hundred plus on boots that don't do all that much more. Comments? I wore comperable Bundeswher paratroper boots for some years, but now wear Asolo Globaline Gore-Tex hiking boots. Why? Because they are waterproof, they have neat-o bionic-looking plastic supports running around the heels and ankles for an extra measure of protection, and the Sportsmans Guide was blowing them out for $45 (normaly $180). I'm happy with them. -Tom '96 KLR 650 '97 Asolo Globalines ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...It's Alive Date: 12 Sep 1998 02:10:26 EDT On 8/27/98, ajax@xmission.com wrote: snip > I realize now after my post about the WP fork that a better solution >is to try and find alternatives that are affordable and also address the >brake issue. > >Gino's telling us that the Tengai forks can be made to work with a KLR is >helpful but the problem is that there are far fewer Tengai's than KLR's. So, >instead of a Tengai solution, or a WP fork system (with the stock brakes) >we need to find some great fork/brake setups from a popular bike (read >readily and cheaply available) that can be bolted on or made to work (with >someone like Hoyt's help) with the KLR. >Kurt "Dr. Frankenstein" Simpson A local klr owner's solution was to use the forks from a KX500. He swears by them and they do look rather stout. Next time I'm by his place, I'll take some pix and post them on the web. Todd has done some great mods for desert riding also. Dual headlights, plastic tank, etc. BTW he's got another '92 klr that is stock. He wants to sell one and keep the other. Says he doesn't care which one. $2500 and $2300 respectively. If anyone's interested let me know. (They're in the L.A. area). Redondo (CA) Ron (who always bounces back) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 12 Sep 1998 01:17:24 -0600 List, That`s a scary sounding word up there. I`ve been trying to finish this post for the last four nights, but every time I start it, I get called out. We`ve been having a lot of fires around here till the last day or so (got a little rain) and my place does the maintenance for the state fire aircraft. I`m finishing this tonight, so you might as well climb up on the fence and sit a spell. Last week we had a thread going on the unusable fuel on the right side of the KLR`s tank. The general plan was to install another petcock or fitting on the right and run a hose from it. Many were worried about welding on their tank or using an adhesive for the fitting. I got to thinking of another possible solution and experimented around with it several nights ago while waiting for the choppers to come in. I`ve been using it for several days now and it seems to work very well. First I`m going to give a description of the petcock system (from here on referred to as the fuel valve) for those unfamiliar with it. I apologize to those already familiar with it, but I learned a little myself. If you look at the valve from the left of the bike (how else) you will see two hoses. The larger of the two coming down from the valve is the main supply line and the smaller hose coming out horizontally from the valve is a vacuum line that operates a springed diaphragm valve on the back of the fuel valve. This smaller line is routed to a position downstream of the carb throttle. There have been some Listers who have removed this vacuum line while removing emission controls to find out that the engine wouldn't run. The purpose of this diaphragm valve is so fuel cannot pass through the valve without the engine running. Because of this, I use the following method to drain fuel from the tank. To drain fuel from the tank (which you must do to do this mod), you first remove the supply line (larger line) and attach a 1/4 inch ID line to the nipple on the valve and run the other end into a container. Then remove the smaller line and attach a 3/16 inch ID line to the horizontal nipple. Suck on the smaller line and while holding the pressure, clamp the line with a pair of hemostats or any suitable clamp that will squeeze the line tight. At this point, fuel should start to drain out of the larger line. If not, you may have to suck on it to get it started. To stop the flow, simply release the clamp. To completely drain the left side of the tank, make sure the valve is in the reserve position. There are two bolts with Phillips indentions to be removed to drop the valve. Once released, drop the valve gently so as not to damage the screen inlets. Before this valve is removed I recommend getting a new o-ring from Fred or your dealer in case you damage the stock one. Once the valve is dropped, you will see a 5" standpipe with an inlet screen on top. This is the source for the main position. To the right of it is a flush hole with an inlet screen: this is the reserve source. If you take a flashlight and look down and to the left in the tank, you will see all of this. After much trial and error, my best result was to cut 2" off the top of the 5" standpipe (remove the inlet screen first and after the cut, debur inside and outside the cut) and put a slight bend in this pipe to lower the height of the point where I will attach a length of 1/4" polyvinyl fuel line (clear). I then twisted the standpipe to the right a little so as to force my hose that I`ll be attaching, a little toward the rear of the tank. You may want to try this without cutting the standpipe first. I wasn't worried about the standpipe as it is easily replaced (it is just a pressure-fit). At this point, I got a 2' length of the 1/4" fuel line and and fed it up into the tank through the valve opening. I used a parts grabber (those 2' long coilsprings with a syringe type handle at one end and when squeezed, four little spring claws come out the bottom) that can be bought at most parts stores (they`re used for picking up dropped screws and such in hard to get to places) for about $3. I used the grabber to pull the end of the fuel line up through the filler opening of the tank. I then attached a fuel inlet strainer (in tank type) that I had gotten from a cycle shop. It`s the kind used in some auto tanks and in some ATV and riding lawnmower fuel tanks. Mine is about 1.5" long, barrel shaped screen with a nipple for fuel line at one end and a bronze spring coiled around it for protection. After attaching, I placed that end of the fuel line back in the tank and with a flashlight in one hand and the other end of the hose sticking out of the valve opening below the tank ( holding this end with the other hand), I pushed and turned and and pulled and whatever was necessary to get the fuel inlet end of the line in the same position on the right side as the fuel valve on the left. You want the line to curve toward the back of the tank and then come forward . This is also the reason I twisted the bent standpipe to the rear a little, it helps keep the line in a bind .The rear of the tank has a lower rise in it and also, this curve helps to keep the line in place. I then pushed in a few more inches, careful not to disturb the inlet position and pinched the line where it met the bottom of the tank. I then pulled some line out, keeping my pinched finger in place and cut the line 1" above my pinch. Then I placed a thin film of Dow 4 (you can safely use petroleum jelly ) on the stand pipe tube so the hose would slide on easier, and slid the hose on the pipe to within 1/4" of the base. Then push the valve back up into position (it`s a tight fit,but it will go in) while watching through the filler opening. You may have to pull the valve back down and twist the line a few times to get the fuel inlet end of the line in the position you want it in. When I bought my line it had a curl to it. This works in your favor in curving the line toward the back of the tank, but it also prevents the inlet end from completely dropping against the outer wall of the tank, unless your line is more flexible than mine. With time, the line will relax and drop lower. In three days, mine is almost there now. The above was the end result of a couple of days of trial and error, but it is working well. How this works is like this: This is not a true gravity fed system. The carb on the KLR`s has a low pressure pump on the left side. Once I realized this, I figured between the light pump suction and a siphoning action of the fuel coming up from the right side and down again, this might work. I drained the tank via the reserve position before I started all of this. I did this with the bike propped up in the upright riding position. This left only the unusable fuel on the right side. I then siphoned this out into a calibrated measuring container to see how much fuel is actually over there. I measured out 42 ounces the first time. I filled the tank and did it again and came out with 47.5 ounces. I was low on fuel the first time and have since found out that when the fuel is low enough to have the two halves separate, through bumps and lean angles, the fuel will sometime flow over to the other side. Since I started with a full tank on the second measurement, it is the most accurate as to how much the right side can hold. The test results are as follows; I have in the past three days, drained the left side of the tank completely, before going home. While carrying a gallon of fuel on the rack, I have driven till I have run out of fuel. The mileage the first time was 18.5 miles, second was 23.3, the third was 19.9 miles. This was about 2 miles of town (with redlights) and the rest was hiway at 65 to 70 mph indicated. I was suspecting that when I was bone dry and then filled up, there might not be enough suction from the light pump to start the fuel flowing from the right side, but is has every time. Today I was doing some extreme weaving at low speeds to see if the fuel would cross over and sure enough, at about mile 8 it started to surge and sputter and I switched to the reserve (which is now the left side) and there was fuel there, when I had started, the left was empty. Once I had decided exactly how I was going to do this, with the parts in hand it took about 1.5 hours. Most of that was just making sure I had the line positioned in the tank where I wanted it and also deciding on the length of fuel line, that part is sort of trial and error. Was it worth it? To me it is. I now have about another 20 miles of range and I know I`ll need it somewhere down the line. For those of you rejetting your bikes, you wouldn`t have any range loss. The other thing is, this is completely reversible and better than welding on my tank. The addition of another valve on the right side would give you maybe another couple of miles over this method because it would completely drain the right side. For the sake of 2 or 3 more miles I`m not going to start drilling holes in my tank. I`m sorry for the length of this post. It`s late and I`m tired and if I had waited till later this morning (it`s now 1am) I probably could have explained it better and not so wordy. Skip (who is gassed out and going to bed) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrBo Subject: (klr650) Pirelli Date: 12 Sep 1998 00:34:45 -0600 --------------B437AD7260F56783B3C61847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. I am in the market for a tire for next year, and I have been looking at the Pirelli MT60, looks like a good all round performer (quality, durability, performance) anyone have any past experience with this tire? (MT70 a little to much off road) 2. Is the MT80 (mono-ply 0' steel belted radial) able to be meshed up with the original factory front Dunlop (cross ply?),, note: brochures states: may be mated to cross ply or conventional radial fronts (depending on fitment) -- so this means ??? 3. Metzler Sahara 3 -- any opinions (quality, durability, performance) ?? P.S. Avon Gripster -- $_______ US funds (best price seen) Pirelli MT60 -- $_______ US funds (ditto) Thanks Brian. --------------B437AD7260F56783B3C61847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1.    I am in the market for a tire for next year, and I have been looking at the Pirelli MT60, looks like a good all round performer (quality, durability, performance) anyone have any past experience with this tire? (MT70 a little to much off road)

2.    Is the MT80 (mono-ply 0' steel belted radial) able to be meshed up with the original factory front Dunlop (cross ply?),, note: brochures states: may be mated to cross ply or conventional radial fronts (depending on fitment) --  so this means ???

3.    Metzler Sahara 3 -- any opinions (quality, durability, performance) ??

P.S.    Avon Gripster  --  $_______ US funds (best price seen)
          Pirelli MT60     --  $_______ US funds  (ditto)

Thanks
Brian.
  --------------B437AD7260F56783B3C61847-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...It's Alive Date: 12 Sep 1998 01:25:23 -0600 > by his place, I'll take some pix and post them on the web. Todd > has done some great mods for desert riding also. Dual headlights, > plastic tank, etc. BTW he's got another '92 klr that is stock. He > wants to sell one and keep the other. Says he doesn't care which > one. $2500 and $2300 respectively. If anyone's interested let me > know. (They're in the L.A. area). > > Redondo (CA) Ron (who always bounces back) Ron, I`m looking forward to the pictures. I`m working on dual head lights right now and would like to see his. I`m planning on splitting my fairing down the middle and splicing in 4" of composite material to widen the fairing enough for the dual headlight assembly I`m fabricating ( unless I come up with one in a bike boneyard first). Glad to see you back and hope that all is well. Skip (who WAS going to bed until he saw Ron`s post) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Walrus Arc 3 tent for $99 at REI Date: 12 Sep 1998 05:26:55 -0000 Somewhat off-topic, but I feel this is relevant to adventure-touring. This is one hell of a deal, retail $299, sometimes sale at $200. Excellent tent. This is a clearance so I suggest you hurry. http://www.rei.com/shopping/store3/CAMPING/SALE/SALE/bud/625794S.html p.s. I emailed Mobil regarding their Mobil 1 for bikes, asking for their info regarding car vs.. bike oil, why should we buy the bike Mobil 1 over the car Mobil 1, etc.. Haven't received response yet, if anyone is interested in the response, let me know and I'll forward it, or post it to the list dependent on document size, and list response. Cheers... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) F650 -- Aprilia Pegaso 650 is better Date: 12 Sep 1998 11:58:11 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, David Sim wrote: > I've also seen ads in the Brit mag Bike for a Suzuki Freewind or > something (not sure if that is the correct name, it does > sound like a fancy name for farting). That's something that everyone here agrees on! ;) > Looks to be a tarted up DR for the street. > It is, actually. Same DR650 lump. The styling is quite, well, interesting, I guess. Say, you guys Stateside don't get the Yammy XTZ660 Tenere either, do you? The MuZ Mastiff and Baghira? The Honda SLR 650? Just thought I'd ask, is all. Yus. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 12 Sep 1998 08:45:03 -0400 >>Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. > I wore comperable Bundeswher paratroper boots for some years, but >now wear Asolo Globaline Gore-Tex hiking boots. Why? Because they are >waterproof, they have neat-o bionic-looking plastic supports running >around the heels and ankles for an extra measure of protection, and >the Sportsmans Guide was blowing them out for $45 (normaly $180). I got a pair of 'Stich's Combat Boots, but they didn't fit well and I cried when I sent them back. I went to a dozen stores trying to find *anything* that might work, but couldn't find a real motorcycle boot that wouldn't give me blisters. What do you think happened? I wandered into a (man, this is gonna hurt) Harley store and tried on one of their high top leather, vibram sole boots and they fit like a glove. I pull down my pant legs to cover the insignia the heel is too high (short Harley rider syndrom?), and the Vibram soles lock me on the IMS pegs, but they work until I can find something else. I'm still looking, and would like to find the biggest motorcycle store in the US to try boots, jackets and pants. Back and forth mail order is tough. Any suggestions? Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: (klr650) Givi rack question Date: 12 Sep 1998 06:11:45 -0700 I've got a question about installing Givi's on the KLR. I just bought the small 28 liter bags for the VFR along with the Wingrack. I didn't understand the listing in the Givi catalog as to the required rack to use these bags on the KLR. Do I use the Wingrack with some kind of adapter kit like on the VFR or is there an entirely different rack to buy for the KLR? If so, how much? Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: (klr650) Pencil tire gauges Date: 12 Sep 1998 06:38:17 -0700 Yep, the Syracuse brand pencil was rated Best Buy and , if I remember correctly, the most accurate gauge by Motorcycle Consumer News. Costs is around $4-5. I bought four and put them in all my vehicles. Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: (klr650) Rain gear shortcomings Date: 12 Sep 1998 07:19:18 -0700 I just got back from doing 3000 miles into Colorado and wanted to point out a shortcoming of my rain gear. Obviously in Seattle rain gear has a higher level of priority than most places. Anyway, I was pretty well prepared with new Hein Gerick Rainman gear and my boots were treated and stayed pretty dry. One thing I failed to provide for was protection of my gloves. It doesn't matter how good your gloves are crash protection wise if you're freezing in the wet, you're done for the day. Weather in the 50's and 70 mph will chill you real fast. I checked all the hardware stores I could find along the way with no luck, especially when you have large hands like myself. Anyway, I'm going to order the El Cheapo yellow rubber gloves from Rider Warehouse for around $5. It's the only place that I can find with anything that will likely fit. I may give their thumb squeegee a shot also for $7. I don't want it for the rain but I hit some heavy fog also and the mist was much worse than rain on visibility. Well, that's my $.02. If somebody has any other suggestions for glove rain protection, please let me know. Thanks. Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Pirelli Date: 12 Sep 1998 08:21:13 -0600 -----Original Message----- From: BrBo To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 1:27 AM Subject: (klr650) Pirelli 1. I am in the market for a tire for next year, and I have been looking at the Pirelli MT60, looks like a good all round performer (quality, durability, performance) anyone have any past experience with this tire? (MT70 a little to much off road) You might look at the Dunlop D604, the Dunlop Trailmax(if you can find them) or Metzeler Enduro 4. 2. Is the MT80 (mono-ply 0' steel belted radial) able to be meshed up with the original factory front Dunlop (cross ply?),, note: brochures states: may be mated to cross ply or conventional radial fronts (depending on fitment) -- so this means ??? Yes, the front MT80 is a non-radial too. Only the rear is a radial. Fred ps. sending your email to the list in"Rich Text" causes havok with the digest version. Everyone needs to be sure they are using "Plain Text" You can use Rich Text when sending to individuals, just not to the list. ;<) 3. Metzler Sahara 3 -- any opinions (quality, durability, performance) ?? P.S. Avon Gripster -- $_______ US funds (best price seen) Pirelli MT60 -- $_______ US funds (ditto) Thanks Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vesannlewis@juno.com Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Footwear Date: 12 Sep 1998 07:19:06 -0700 I prefer black wingtips over my argyles. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: (klr650) Moab rally: Need trailering Date: 12 Sep 1998 07:36:04 -0700 As I mentioned, I just got back from Colorado (VFR, not KLR). Sorry for late postings on some subjects. You almost need to read ALL the digests before commenting. Anyway, got to stop by and have the pleasure of meeting Fred Hink. His shop was overrun with cruisers from Kansas City (I think) and a Beemer rider from Sun Valley. Boy, were these some happy bikers to find a shop open on a holiday. One with a flat tire and the other with melted fuel lines. I saw pictures from last years KLR rally and I'm contemplating attending this year. Fred mentioned that someone from Seattle trailered his KLR down for the rally and I was wondering if this gentleman, or anyone else from Seattle or nearby who might be planning on doing so this year, would contact me? I'm trying to see if I can get the KLR trailered down there and back (in exchange for money, of course) while riding the VFR down. Well, it was worth a shot. Thanks. Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moab rally: Need trailering Date: 12 Sep 1998 07:30:42 -0600 Fred mentioned that someone from Seattle >trailered his KLR down for the I wonder if Fred meant Mike and Carrie from DualStar? They brought their KTM and Yamaha with a van full of wares... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moab rally: Need trailering Date: 12 Sep 1998 09:20:37 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Fred mentioned that someone from Seattle >>trailered his KLR down for the > >I wonder if Fred meant Mike and Carrie from DualStar? They brought their KTM >and Yamaha with a van full of wares... > >Kurt > > UHHHH NO I was thinking of Bill Daniels (I think) He isn't online is he? Lets see I should have his address. I will pass it on if I can find it. Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vic Norton Subject: Re: (klr650) Pirelli Date: 12 Sep 1998 11:27:57 -0400 Hi Brian, Here are some tire desciptions and prices from Motorcycle Accessories Warehouse's web page . The Metzeler Sahara 3s are expensive and don't last long. Avon gripsters will last a lot longer. They are reasonably good on dirt and terrific on pavemnt. I don't know anything about the Pirelli tires, though I didn't see a 130/80 x 17 MT60 listed. Right now my preference is for the Avons, though I might try the MT70s some day. Regards, Vic ---------- Descriptions and prices follow ------------------ Avon AM24 Gripster ------------------ S-rated for speeds up to 113 mph Performs equally on the highway and cross-country trails. 3-ply nylon construction. Arrowhead tread pattern for excellent self-cleaning ability. (05042) $74.95 Avon AM24 130/80S17 TT Rear (05049) $59.95 Avon AM24 90/90S21 TT Front Metzeler Sahara 3 Enduro ------------------------ Overlapping lateral tread. Great tracking and good handling on the highway. This a dual performance tire that really delivers dual performance. (07784) $109.95 Metzeler Sahara 3 Enduro 130/80T17 (07783) $94.95 Metzeler Sahara 3 Enduro 90/90T21 Front Pirelli MT50/60 Bias -------------------- The ultimate for modern high performance, street-oriented, dual-purpose bikes. Construction and tread pattern ensure handling, comfort and stability. Excellent grip and traction on all surfaces. Intended use is 90% street, 10% offroad. (21878) $83.95 Pirelli MT60 90/90 x 21 Front Pirelli MT70 ------------ A great middle-of-the-road option for the dual purpose rider. New tread design with raised tread center and lowered shoulders. Stability on the road with excellent traction on dirt. D.O.T. approved. (05090) $88.95 Pirelli MT70 130/80 x 17 (05089) $66.95 Pirelli MT70 90/90 x 21 Front At 12:34 AM -0600 9/12/98, BrBo wrote: > 1. I am in the market for a tire for next year, and I have been >looking at the Pirelli MT60, looks like a good all round performer >(quality, durability, performance) anyone have any past experience with >this tire? (MT70 a little to much off road) > > 2. Is the MT80 (mono-ply 0' steel belted radial) able to be meshed up >with the original factory front Dunlop (cross ply?),, note: brochures >states: may be mated to cross ply or conventional radial fronts (depending >on fitment) -- so this means ??? > > 3. Metzler Sahara 3 -- any opinions (quality, durability, performance) ?? > > P.S. Avon Gripster -- $_______ US funds (best price seen) >Pirelli MT60 -- $_______ US funds (ditto) > > Thanks Brian. > *--------------------* http://www.ridehsta.com/ *--------------------* | Vic Norton 1996 ST1100 1992 EX500 HSTA 5992 DOD 43403 | | (419)353-8399 1997 KLR650 STOC 037 AMA 594102 | *--------------* http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ *---------------* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) dual headlamps? Date: 12 Sep 1998 09:31:42 -0600 > . Dual headlights, > > plastic tank, etc. > > > > Redondo (CA) Ron (who always bounces back) > > Ron, > I`m looking forward to the pictures. I`m working on dual head lights right > now and would like to see his. Uh, maybe I'm missing something, but where are you going to get the additional current to run the added headlamp? Dr Robert (No dresses. No stains.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Boots: Alpine Stage GTX Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:16:08 EDT Howdy, I am a proud owner of AlpineStar's Stage GTX boot. I think it gets the "GTX "by virtue of its Goretex treatment. I strongly recommend the boot for a couple o' reasons: 1) Goretex for this boot really works. 2) zips up the back with a velcro tab covering the back which 3) keeps water (and cold!) from penetrating through laces or buckles, and 4) allows it to have an unbroken front kevlar plate for max protection ( not too critical if you have the smaller foot pegs). 5) It doesn't have much of a heel so can move feet freely on pegs. Now for some subjective stuff... I put in two generic liquid gel inserts into each boot for the anti vibe factor. And with these, I find a good degree of comfort. Where before, I would peel my old boots off first thing after a ride, I am in danger of wearing out the soles for tramping around in 'em. They really got put to the test at the last alligator dual-sport ride during bike week. It was that freaky real cold morning, remember? I rode in to Daytona that morning (on an XT225) from Gainesville and only mild cool discomfort with 1 pair of sox. It was in the low 50s I think. During that day the boots got a decent thrashing and were immersed (too) many times. When I got back to Gainesvile I just sprayed them with simple green, hosed them off and used this "athletic leather" shoe cleaner stuff. Good as new. Little less shiney though... I have sinse bought Thor off-road boots for my real dual-sport rides, but when I'm cuising on my Katoom or my Virago, the Stages are my podiatal protection. Be long and prosper, Steve (who breaks into soliliquies at the most inconsequential times) 98 RX/C 620 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain gear shortcomings Date: 12 Sep 1998 11:13:47 -0500 These are not nearly as large as you think, I have small hands and they do fit over my summer gloves but the fit was so tight it put my fingers to sleep. I kept them but for cleaning around the house not riding. Currently I wear those work gloves that look like they were dipped in plastic. I don't recommend them, they fill with water but that's what I wear. Other than that I carry several pairs of gloves and change them as they soak through. Jim Dean Harrison wrote: > I just got back from doing 3000 miles into Colorado and wanted to point out > a shortcoming of my rain gear. Obviously in Seattle rain gear has a higher > level of priority than most places. Anyway, I was pretty well prepared with > new Hein Gerick Rainman gear and my boots were treated and stayed pretty > dry. One thing I failed to provide for was protection of my gloves. It > doesn't matter how good your gloves are crash protection wise if you're > freezing in the wet, you're done for the day. Weather in the 50's and 70 > mph will chill you real fast. I checked all the hardware stores I could > find along the way with no luck, especially when you have large hands like > myself. > > Anyway, I'm going to order the El Cheapo yellow rubber gloves from Rider > Warehouse for around $5. It's the only place that I can find with anything > that will likely fit. I may give their thumb squeegee a shot also for $7. I > don't want it for the rain but I hit some heavy fog also and the mist was > much worse than rain on visibility. Well, that's my $.02. If somebody has > any other suggestions for glove rain protection, please let me know. > Thanks. > > Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 12 Sep 1998 11:32:21 -0500 skip faulkner wrote: > over this method because it would completely drain the right side. For the > sake of 2 or 3 more miles I`m not going to start drilling holes in my tank. > I`m sorry for the length of this post. It`s late and I`m tired and if I Well done, Creative thinking outside the box... this deserves some kind of award. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nocoffee@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain gear shortcomings Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:44:50 -0700 I have another alternative. Buy some K-Mart neoprene fishing gloves for the rain. Your hands will stay toasty warm and you can break out your $80.00 Thurlow deerskin gauntlet gloves for when the weather improves... One thing I failed to provide for was protection of my gloves. >It >> doesn't matter how good your gloves are crash protection wise if >you're >> freezing in the wet, you're done for the day. Weather in the 50's >and 70 >> mph will chill you real fast. I checked all the hardware stores I >could >> find along the way with no luck, especially when you have large >hands like >> myself. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kaddee lawrence" Subject: (klr650) Fw: [Fwd: 98 klr650 for sale (no, not kd's)] Date: 12 Sep 1998 10:27:33 -0700 heard about this in the Seattle area if anyone is interested. it is a pretty good deal, and the guys at Cascade are primed to deal. it seems they are not really happy to have a KLR in a BMW showroom. >I was at Cascade BMW today. > They have a 98 KLR650 on the floor > for sale. <3000 miles. still under > warranty, completely stock > except for 2 items: > > 1. there are dunlop stickers on the fork legs. > (the forks themselves are not modified) > 2. the heat shield is missing from the header pipe. > costs about $35. believe me you WANT to replace it. > > Dealership owns it, asking $3900, but the guy was > willing to deal. seemed rather anxious to get rid of it. > if you think about it, there are few people going into > a BMW dealership that would want a KLR. > > in case anybody was interested... > ask for sean > phone number 425-823-5045 > 800-328-9367 >OBDisclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Cascade BMW and will not >be profiting in any way from this transaction. > >-- >Jack Tavares >tavares@bridgeway.com >http://www.bridgeway.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 12 Sep 1998 13:35:10 EDT Skip, Sounds like a good solution. On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:17:24 -0600 "skip faulkner" writes: >You want the line to curve toward the back of the >tank >and then come forward . This is also the reason I twisted the bent >standpipe to the rear a little, it helps keep the line in a bind Perhaps running a steel wire attached to the hose would insure that the hose would stay even after get off the bike unexpectedly? Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:59:30 -0600 >Great post Skip...thanks...have you done the fuse thing also? > >Kurt Kurt, I`ve got the circuit breakers out in the garage and they`ve been calling to me in my sleep " get your butt out here and put us on that two-wheel rainbow of yours". So I`ll be putting them on this week, if I want any sleep. I was waiting till I had enough time in one shot to replace my wiring with 10ga. wire at the same time. (Good idea , Jeff??, I deleted it before I verified who`s post that was, sorry,). I will be placing them either where my kickstand safety switch is (I`ll remove that) or to the forward cover of that location. I`ll let you know when I`m through. Skip (who`s own breaker has been popped this week) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...It's Alive Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:14:47 -0700 Cloudhid@aol.com wrote: > On 8/27/98, ajax@xmission.com wrote: snip > > > I realize now after my post about the WP fork that a better solution > >is to try and find alternatives that are affordable and also address the > >brake issue. > > snip > A local klr owner's solution was to use the forks from a KX500. > > snip > Redondo (CA) Ron (who always bounces back) I'm wondering about rims as well. Could we get someone to lace up a set of Akront rims or similar thus allowing the application of tubeless tires? b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kaddee lawrence" Subject: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:26:42 -0700 i'm about to change my front brake line to braided SS, and upon looking at the master cylinder cover was confused to find that it said to use _either_ DOT 3 or 4. the service manual says 3 and the owners manual says 4. my local mechanic (at a dealer) says "it doesn't matter as long as you don't use 5" what is the deal? TIA kd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Rottenberg Subject: Re: (klr650) High Mileage Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:15:26 -0500 26k miles and just done with the break in ...... got 75k more to go .... :) >With the recent thread of premature top end failures >I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR >out there? How many miles can they go? Steve Rottenberg Tuca en IRC (Undernet) Email: tuca@tampabay.rr.com Don't take life so seriously ... it's not permanent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Jenne's" Subject: (klr650) Fork gaurds Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:53:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BDDE6D.CCDBCB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for fork (and disc) guards for my KLR650. Acerbis no longer = makes them for the KLR. Baja Designs has fork guards for the XR and DR, = and fork/disc guards for the XR, DRS, and XRL650L. =20 I am willing to pay their 15% restocking fee if I can't adapt the ones I = purchase, but need help with which ones may be the closest fit. Any = comments to help me narrow down which ones to order, would be = appreciated. Or if anyone knows of a manufacturer of guards for a KLR, I = would like to here from you. 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I am looking = for fork (and=20 disc) guards for my KLR650. Acerbis no longer makes them for the KLR. = Baja=20 Designs has fork guards for the XR and DR, and fork/disc guards for the = XR, DRS,=20 and XRL650L.
 
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Timothy_Jenne@MSN.com ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BDDE6D.CCDBCB80-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) Chain Lube. Date: 13 Sep 1998 00:32:08 +0300 I have a >little plastic doodad that I bought at the dealer's which allows me to >direct the spray directly at the chain. This saves me from having to stand >back six inches and flail away with the spray going into the wind and not >on the chain. > >Tom Clay >Winnipeg MB I tape an A4 paper to the upper edge of swing arm lengthwise passing behind the chain and outer edge of the swing arm. While turning the wheel with my right hand I spray the chain evenly. Spray the outer parts to keep it from corrosion and rust. If you're in the garage, either cover the floor with newspaper or use your oil chance pan as I do since the chain oil is very sticky whatever the brand is. In the summer it's better to wipe off excess oil with a piece of cloth slightly dampened with kerosine or diesel oil (it'll leave fibers when dry). It's best to let the chain oil dry throughly (i.e. don't ride it for 12 hours or more) so the solvents evaporate and the true oil works in. By the way you won't have chain oil where it's not supposed to be. I hate to clean chain oil from the rim and spokes. It's best to use diesel oil on a piece of cloth to clean the chain oil but you must be extremely careful not to touch the brake disc. If you do so the only way to use this rear brake again is to clean it with a solvent (ether, naphta etc.) and wash it with hot water and detergent. Birol Say, M.D. (I have made some modifications for handle and mirror vibration problems. If it helps and proven scientifically I'll let you know) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Tubeless? No way Date: 12 Sep 1998 15:59:23 -0600 > > > > snip > Could we get someone to lace up a set of > Akront rims or similar thus allowing the application of tubeless tires? -- Why tubeless tires? After having them on the BMW R100 GS Paris-Dakar, I submit that they are more trouble than they are worth for a dual-sport. If you have to do anything in the field that requires work on the inside (i.e., breaking the bead) your chances of getting a bead seal are zilch (until you get that wheel to a service facility or somebody really clever with a tiedown and a serious air source). FWIW; YMMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) dual headlamps? Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:43:06 -0600 >> . Dual headlights, >> > plastic tank, etc. >> Ron, >> I`m looking forward to the pictures. I`m working on dual head lights right >> now and would like to see his. > >Uh, maybe I'm missing something, but where are you going to get the additional >current to run the added headlamp? > >Dr Robert >(No dresses. No stains.) She forgot to wear her bib. Dr. Rob, I currently have sufficient current, as your bike does. I`m going to use the new style housings ( more efficient reflectors) with PIAA 50/60 bulbs. I have been running an 80/120 watt for the last 3 months with no problems. When I change my wiring to 10ga, it will be even more efficient. If you check, you`ll see that a lot of the dual light set ups on the later model street bikes are 45/55 bulbs. In Europe, most of the bikes I`ve looked at are 35/35 on their dual systems. They use more efficient reflectors and bulbs, requiring less wattage for similar lumens. I would rather have two 55`s or 60`s than the one 120 I`m running now. Skip ( who`s partial to twins) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:51:52 -0600 -----Original Message----- >i'm about to change my front brake line to braided SS, and upon looking at >the master cylinder cover was confused to find that it said to use _either_ >DOT 3 or 4. the service manual says 3 and the owners manual says 4. my >local mechanic (at a dealer) says "it doesn't matter as long as you don't >use 5" > >what is the deal? >TIA >kd > > > Your mechanic is correct. Dot 3 is the old standby that has been around for a very long time, while Dot 4 is just a more refined version of Dot 3. Dot 5 on the other hand is a silicone based brake fluid that will not mix with either Dot 3 or 4. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:57:52 -0600 >Skip, > >Sounds like a good solution. > >On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:17:24 -0600 "skip faulkner" >writes: > >>You want the line to curve toward the back of the >>tank >>and then come forward . This is also the reason I twisted the bent >>standpipe to the rear a little, it helps keep the line in a bind > Perhaps running a steel wire attached to the hose would insure that the >hose would stay even after get off the bike unexpectedly? > >Alex > Alex, That might be an idea. As long as you go down on the right side, your ok. I went down on a gravel trail two evenings ago on the right side. Everything in the tank was good,(the screen inlet adds some weight to the end of the hose and helps) but I now have a tweaked handlebar and the right end of the cross brace is cracked, Fred ? Got any bars with the same rise? I don`t like the lower ones. With the weight on the end of the hose, it might stay fine, we`ll have to see. Did a hiway-only run this morning and ran out of fuel at the 24 mile mark, best run so far. Skip (who thinks he`ll try a little Viagra on the line) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:54:35 -0600 > > Fred Hink: > Your mechanic is correct. Dot 3 is the old standby that has been around for > a very long time, while Dot 4 is just a more refined version of Dot 3. Dot > 5 on the other hand is a silicone based brake fluid that will not mix with > either Dot 3 or 4. However, if you fully purge the DOT 3 or 4, is there any reason to not use the DOT 5 fluid, especially considering its advantage of being nonhygroscopic? --rr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 17:16:57 -0600 -----Original Message----- Cc: kaddee lawrence ; klr650@lists.xmission.com >> >> Fred Hink: >> Your mechanic is correct. Dot 3 is the old standby that has been around for >> a very long time, while Dot 4 is just a more refined version of Dot 3. Dot >> 5 on the other hand is a silicone based brake fluid that will not mix with >> either Dot 3 or 4. > >However, if you fully purge the DOT 3 or 4, is there any reason to not use the >DOT 5 fluid, especially considering its advantage of being nonhygroscopic? > Besides the cost & availability probably not. Tell me does your big N word mean it doesn't absorb water?? :-/ Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Hall Subject: (klr650) What happened? Date: 12 Sep 1998 19:28:28 -0400 I was changing my oil according to the instructions on the list site. Everything was going fine. I pulled off the oil filter cover changed the filter. Put the cover back on, began to tight the bolts, THEN ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE COVER SNAPPED OFF! What can I do? Will it still work with only one side tightened. Why won't the cover seat back in? Help!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Hall Subject: (klr650) Re: what happened? Date: 12 Sep 1998 19:42:48 -0400 Color me stupid. I put the supply tube in backwards. Live and learn. Fred can you get me a new cover? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) seeking IDS tank experiences Date: 12 Sep 1998 18:31:28 +0000 KLRists, I'm seeking some of your experiences and opinions of the IDS tank. I thought I read 7 gallons of usable capacity. Please reply directly to me to save bandwidth. Thanks!! Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL 88 K75S 98 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #238 Date: 12 Sep 1998 20:25:48 +0100 >Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:32:08 +0300 >From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" >Subject: Ynt: (klr650) Chain Lube. > > I have a >>little plastic doodad that I bought at the dealer's which allows me to >>direct the spray directly at the chain. This saves me from having to stand >>back six inches and flail away with the spray going into the wind and not >>on the chain. I was out at the BMW rally in Montana when I ran into problems with my chain being worn out. To make a long story shorter, I put on a new chain with a master link, and then went right over to the vendor from England that was selling Scott automatic chain oilers. Paid $115 for it , and am I pleased. It drips at an adjustable rate about 1-2 drops per minute, powered off the vacumn hose off the carb. The thing really works, and i have been able to forget about oiling the chain. It is unexplainable, but the chain is still clean, and just wet enough. It has been 2000 miles since then, not a problem. I'm a happy customer, and i will be installing a Scott oiler on the 96 KLR I just bought to keeep the '93 company. This is the time of the year to make deals. I got KLR 650 96 holdover that is still warranteed Till June on 99 with 800 miles on it for $2750. It is essentially a new bike that was traded in a Nieman Marcus Ducati 948 this spring. The dealer could not sell it and was desperate to get rid of it before the winter came on. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Hope nobody minds. Date: 12 Sep 1998 21:17:30 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905649451_boundary Content-ID: <0_905649451@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/11/98 10:16:15 PM EST, eroads@europa.com writes: << The KLR is still >my first choice for next spring ========= I don't believe you. but I should check out the competition >right? ========== You should be horse-whipped for even thinking such a thing. >Michael Kovaliv >Windsor, Ontario. ======= ..........and if you do find out anything interesting about the bike you shouldn't post it on here. ericR >> Eric, be nice. Some people might not know when you're kidding. MN Ron (Heck, I don't even know when I'm kidding.....) --part0_905649451_boundary Content-ID: <0_905649451@inet_out.mail.europa.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay07.mx.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:16:13 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay07.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id XAA17804; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zHg65-0006l9-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:11:37 -0600 Received: from (mail.europa.com) [199.2.194.10] (exim) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zHg62-0006l2-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:11:34 -0600 Received: from dialup-b076.europa.com ([204.202.55.76] helo=eroads) by mail.europa.com with smtp (Exim 2.02 #3) id 0zHg5z-0003Fp-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <009701bdddfb$63753f40$02000003@eroads> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Eric Rhoads" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The KLR is still >my first choice for next spring =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I don't believe you. but I should check out the competition >right? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D You should be horse-whipped for even thinking such a thing. >Michael Kovaliv >Windsor, Ontario. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ..........and if you do find out anything interesting about the bike you shouldn't post it on here. ericR --part0_905649451_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 17:29:20 -0600 >DOT 3 or 4. the service manual says 3 and the owners manual says 4. my >local mechanic (at a dealer) says "it doesn't matter as long as you don't >use 5" This came up in June...here are the two best posts from the archives: >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:10:54 -0700 Hi all The primary differences between dot3 and dot 4 fluids are viscosity and boiling point. Dot 3 is designed for conventional brake systems max viscosity at -40C. is 1500mm2/s with a minimum boiling point of 205C and a wet boiling point of 140C. Dot 4 is made for disc brake systems. The same figures for dot 4 are 1800mm2/s; 230C; and 155c. These figures are from Bosch,s Automotive engineering handbook, 2nd addition. I think dot 5 fluid is silicone based (if my memory serves me well) and older British cars used to use it I think. Its ok to mix 3 and 4 but I don't know why you would want to. When ever I need brake fluid, I open a fresh bottle. Brake fluid is a "hygroscopic" substance.....it grabs onto water molecules. A build up of h2o in brake fluid will cause aluminum hydraulic cylinders to pit in their cylinder bores, abrading the neoprene seals and o-rings that ride in them. This is why auto manufacturers reccomend annual replacement, since the reservoir is vented to atmosphere and subsequently availible to moisture. Brake fluid is cheep....compared to new cylinders and calipers, why mess around. Added note here, if you make a mess it is water soluable don't try to clean it up with solvent, use water. Don't get it in your eye.....big trouble...I speak from experience here. It will also melt your plastic screwdriver handles and take the paint off your bike. I' not making this up. peace Morgan ---------------------------- DOT 3 and DOT 4 both glycol based and can be safely mixed. DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3. Therefore, if you mix DOT 3 with DOT 4, you will lower the boiling point below DOT 4 levels. Most DOT 5 is silicone based. Silicone brake fluid should never be mixed with glycol. In fact, if changing from one to the other, the system should be thoroughly flushed first. Some manufacturers even recommend complete disassembly and new seals and cups be installed. There is also a DOT 5.1 that IS glycol based and can be safely mixed with DOT 3 and 4, with the same caveat of a lowered the boiling point. It can be confusing at times. In a nutshell, glycol based brake fluids are "hydroscopic" in that they absorb moisture and hold it in suspension, and they will damage paint and some plastics they come in contact with. As the glycol brake fluid absorbs moisture, it turns dark, indicating it should be changed. Silicone brake fluid does not absorb moisture. Any moisture in the system will tend to settle to the lowest point. This can often be the calipers with the expected corrosive effects. Silicone was the first brake fluid to have the higher dry boiling point, but they now have glycol based formulas (hence the DOT 5.1). Also, silicone will not hurt paint, which makes it popular with old car restorers. It does tend to aerate easily, making it harder to bleed properly. The KLR recommendation is to use DOT 3 or 4, and change it every 1-2 years, or more often if it becomes dark or contaminated. Try to buy small containers, and only unseal them when necessary. Keep the lid on tightly the rest of the time, and buy fresh fluid if more than 3 months old. Don > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Re: changing sprockets.. Date: 12 Sep 1998 18:23:50 -0600 >"Newbie" Bill is the latest owner to bring up the subject of a sprocket >change to lower RPM at high speeds. One dude's opinion: Don't. I often >cruise in the 80's & 90's. We all know the engine has to work very hard >at those times to counter wind resistance. Do you climb a steep hill at >3'000 or 4'000 RPM? I believe you're being nicer to your engine by >revving it high like God intended and utilizing it's peak HP & torque >than by sparring it the RPM's it craves and forcing it to labors Bogdan, I'm not an engineer either but Pat Hensley's program gets any of us a little closer. A stock 15x43 yields 5,696 RPM for 80 MPH. With a 16x43 you are at 5,340 RPM at 80 MPH. I don't think there is any danger of lugging it. If you have severe wind resistance or a steep hill you can just tab it down and pretend you are driving a 4 speed... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 12 Sep 1998 22:38:57 EDT In a message dated 98-09-12 15:25:42 EDT, kaddee@aa.net writes: << the service manual says 3 and the owners manual says 4. my local mechanic (at a dealer) says "it doesn't matter as long as you don't use 5" what is the deal? >> Yep, been there done that. I went with Bel Ray Super DOT 4 on mine. One has a higher boiling temp, the other attracts less water and makes a nice floor wax. I'm not sure which. Anyway, go with either or, but DOT 4 works the best I think. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) What happened? Date: 12 Sep 1998 22:44:54 EDT In a message dated 98-09-12 19:23:30 EDT, matthall@paonline.com writes: << Put the cover back on, began to tight the bolts, THEN ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE COVER SNAPPED OFF! What can I do? Will it still work with only one side tightened. Why won't the cover seat back in? Help!! >> Yes, this does happen. Sometimes the oil feed shaft is inserted in the filter and placed inside the oil filter cavity incorrectly. The smaller shaft end goes insode while the wider end faces the cover. If you try to tighten the cover with the shaft incorrectly placed in the cavity, you will break on of the tabs happened to you. You need to get a new filter cover. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #238 Date: 12 Sep 1998 23:15:07 -0500 (CDT) >I was out at the BMW rally in Montana when I ran into problems with my >chain being worn out. To make a long story shorter, I put on a new chain >with a master link, and then went right over to the vendor from England >that was selling Scott automatic chain oilers. Paid $115 for it , and am I >pleased. It drips at an adjustable rate about 1-2 drops per minute, >powered off the vacumn hose off the carb. The thing really works, and i >have been able to forget about oiling the chain. It is unexplainable, but >the chain is still clean, and just wet enough. It has been 2000 miles >since then, not a problem. I'm a happy customer, and i will be installing >a Scott oiler on the 96 KLR I just bought to keeep the '93 company. I just looked at their web page. Very interesting device! I am curious about one thing: is it neccessary to use "Scottoil" in the unit or will some more easily available oil suffice? TIA Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrBo Subject: (klr650) No start,, Date: 12 Sep 1998 21:59:08 -0600 Please a lit'l help,, Yep, you got it, wipe out.....the left side of the bike ingested gravel,, 2 points for holding up well though,, don't worry I'm ok. Now it will ONLY start in neutral when the clutch is engaged. Put it into gear, No way regardless of the clutch position. Leave it in Neutral with clutch disengaged, No way. So I have concluded that the problem is to do with the clutch switch (wherever that is), I guess.. I pulled apart the kick stand (left side), cable and switch actuator assy. all seems well (affixed and working), so I pulled apart the left handle bar assy., adjusted cable fully in and out to see if it would engage start mechanism, nothing. So I have run into a gravel wall (so to speak),,, Any ideas, PLEASE help... Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 13 Sep 1998 00:47:20 EDT That's an interesting solution. I am new to owning a KLR and I really appreciate this maining list. Without your post I would not have thought about the extra fuel over there. My Triumph Trident (95) only has one petcock, but it's pretty flat at the back, so fuel travels over. Anyway, back when Brit bikes ruled the road (but Harleys owned the drag strips) the Triumphs had only one petcock. The Brits idea of reserve was that if you ran out of gas, just pull over (freeways were not so common then,) lay the bike over, and spill the fuel from the other side of the tank over, right the bike, then start up again. You are sure not to forget to get more gas soon! The point is, these KLRs are pretty light, most of us could prpbably do this same trick in a pinch. It's probably easier than pushing the bike to the next gas station. I always carry a half dozen zip-ties to keep the front brake locked so as to make righting a down bike easier. Once up, just cut the zip- tie with your pocket knife. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 13 Sep 1998 00:47:21 EDT > Fred Hink: > Your mechanic is correct. Dot 3 is the old standby that has been around for > a very long time, while Dot 4 is just a more refined version of Dot 3. Dot > 5 on the other hand is a silicone based brake fluid that will not mix with > either Dot 3 or 4. However, if you fully purge the DOT 3 or 4, is there any reason to not use the DOT 5 fluid, especially considering its advantage of being nonhygroscopic? --rr I WOULDN'T ADVISE IT! What would you purge it with? I tried this with my Laverda back in the 80's, and the seals in the master cylinder ceased to function. You are looking at a complete system rebuild (seals and line.) BTW, while DOT 3 and 4 is indeed hygroscopic, I like the feel of it better than the silicone based DOT 5. New seals will work with either type (done it.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Camping equipment Date: 12 Sep 1998 21:54:46 PDT I'm wondering if those of you with some dual-sport camping experience can help me out here... Next year I plan to make my way back to the States via my KLR (I'm currently stationed in Panama) and I'd like to set myself up for campout should the need present itself (I WILL NOT ride at night). What pieces and brands of equipment do you recommend? Website addresses are preferred, as those are the easiest and most efficient ways to shop when living overseas. I've already checked out REI's website (and it's a good one), but I'd like to have the peace of mind that comes with additional comparisons. Thanks in advance for any help you can send my way. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler chain luber info Date: 13 Sep 1998 01:08:15 -0000 UK home page: http://www.scottoiler.co.uk/ US distributor page: http://www.actionstation.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nocoffee@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Camping equipment Date: 13 Sep 1998 07:57:33 -0700 Yes, I do. Try these: www.micapeak.com/WetLeather/pages/camping.html or www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~mrosen/ibmc.html What pieces and brands of equipment do you recommend? > >Website addresses are preferred, as those are the easiest and most >efficient ways to shop when living overseas. I've already checked out > >REI's website (and it's a good one), but I'd like to have the peace of > >mind that comes with additional comparisons. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) No start,, Date: 13 Sep 1998 06:59:11 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Please a lit'l help,, > >Yep, you got it, wipe out.....the left side of the bike ingested >gravel,, 2 points for holding up well though,, don't worry I'm ok. >Now it will ONLY start in neutral when the clutch is engaged. Put it >into gear, No way regardless of the clutch position. Leave it in Neutral >with clutch disengaged, No way. >So I have concluded that the problem is to do with the clutch switch >(wherever that is), I guess.. >I pulled apart the kick stand (left side), cable and switch actuator >assy. all seems well (affixed and working), so I pulled apart the left >handle bar assy., adjusted cable fully in and out to see if it would >engage start mechanism, nothing. So I have run into a gravel wall (so to >speak),,, > >Any ideas, PLEASE help... >Brian. > > > Brian, Check out this page: http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page23.html It should answer all your questions about your safety switches. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Scottoiler chain luber info Date: 13 Sep 1998 07:31:38 -0600 -----Original Message----- >UK home page: >http://www.scottoiler.co.uk/ >US distributor page: >http://www.actionstation.com/ > > > Anyone interested in a Scott Oiler let me know. They sell for $115 for the standard model and $149 for the touring model. Neat lil gizmo. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) IMPORTANT land use issues Date: 13 Sep 1998 10:39:50 -0400 The following letter was forwarded by The Blue Ribbon Coalition. For those of you that do not know, they are the largest protector of our off-road(dual-sport) freedoms. As you may already know, the Greenies are placing pressure upon the NFS to close roads throughout the National Forest System. This means more limited access to MANY users, not just dual sport motorcycles. Please read, act and pass on. let's help keep our public lands open to the public. While this may or may not be high on your priorty list, please consider that thousands of dual sporters across the US will be effected by this aggressive closure. As a member of various environmental organizations, I too believe that we should protect our public lands, but not to the extent that these organizations wish to CLOSE lands and access. Robert Frey Withlacoochee Dual Sport Riders Florida, USA > > >-------------Forwarded Message----------------- > >From: Don Amador, 74133,1407 >To: CLARK L COLLINS, 73563,1551 > >Date: 9/11/98 8:49 AM > >RE: Send comments on House subcommittee on FS road decommissioning > >Please review (and comment if you like) and get this out on your own >email network. > >Various user groups should send in their own comments ASAP as >the House and the Senate are either holding hearings or taking >some other action on this issue. > >Thanks, > >Don > > > September 11, 1998 > > > >The Honorable Helen Chenoweth >Chairman, House Subcommittee on Forests >and Forest Health >US House of Representatives >Washington, DC 20515 >Attn: Ann Heissenbuttel > >Sent via fax to: (202) 225-0521 > >Re: Sept. 15 Hearing on FS Road Decommissioning > >Dear Chairman Chenoweth: > > As someone with slightly more than a working knowledge of the current >"roadless" issue, I >would like to submit a few comments to be entered into the record during >your hearing on the >Forest Service's (FS) current road decommissioning program. > >BE CAREFUL OF TARGETING "GHOST ROADS" FOR DECOMMISSIONING > While Congress should be commended for holding hearings on the FS's >road de- >commissioning program, I would urge your committee to refrain from >targeting so-called ghost >(non-system) roads for decommissioning without careful site-specific review >(NEPA, EAs, >EIR/EIS, user group and other FS "partners," local "ad hoc" advisory >committees, ADA, etc.). As >I have testified before, many non-system roads/trails are important access >and socio-economic >elements of any Forest's recreational and resource management framework. > >URGE LOCAL ROAD DECOMMISSIONING "ad hoc" ADVISORY COMMITTEES > Many forest user groups (e.g. motorized and non-motorized >recreationists, sportsmen's >organizations, environmental and conservation clubs, forest products >industry, ranchers, fire >protection agencies, local law enforcement, chambers of commerce, etc.) may >support a certain >level of road decommissioning IF said groups were genuinely included by the >FS during the >initial planning stages of road rehabilitation. > >DEVELOP A ROAD DECOMMISSIONING MATRIX > While many FS road engineers and hydrologists may be well meaning and >sincere, there >does not appear to be adequate oversight and cost/benefit analysis on >either a site-specific >or forest-wide basis. From my own observations as chairman of a state >recreation agency or >as a former heavy equipment operator, a road decommissioning matrix should >be developed >that factors cost per/mile (current costs may range from $15,000 up to >$100,000 per/mile >depending on terrain, number and size of culverts pulled, etc.), actual >qualitative - not subjective >or emotion based - watershed or environmental improvements, cultural >impacts, loss of historic >access, support of local "ad hoc" committee, degradation of recreational >opportunities, socio- >economic impacts, access for fire and resource management, impacts on >commodity uses, and >disabled access. > > > >Page 2 >Road Decommissioning >Sept. 11, 1998 > > > > Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to review my >comments. Please feel free >to contact me if I may be of further service to your subcommittee. > > >Sincerely, > > > > >Don Amador >CA/NV State Representative >Blue Ribbon Coalition, Inc. >555 Honey Lane >Oakley, CA 94561 >(925) 753-1687 Office >(925) 625-5309 FAX > > > >cc: Motorcycle Industry Council > American Motorcyclist's Association > Resource Education Network > Mike Dombeck - Chief, USFS > Region 5 - USFS > Western Communities for Environmental Solutions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) Land Use 2! Date: 13 Sep 1998 10:49:05 -0400 More from the land use front! This too was sent by the Blue Ribbon Coalition regarding a divide and conquer strategy being employed in the western states. While the article mentions OHVs, we, as dualsporters, are considered OHVs by these groups whether you like it or not. This article primarily pertains to noise in the wilds, and those of you looking to hop up your exhaust system, my want to do a rethink. Remember, your actions as a dual sport rider effects our access throughout the US. Robert Frey Withlacoochee DualSport Riders Florida, USA >PESKY FEW RUIN FUN FOR EVERYONE > >by Adena Cook, Public Lands Director >BlueRibbon Coalition >1540 North Arthur >Pocatello, ID 83204 >(Adena can be reached at (208)522-7339 or >bradena@sharetrails.org) > > OHVers have long acknowledged the troublesome few within our >ranks that cause us problems. They're the hill-bangers who scar >the outdoors. They're the discourteous and the noisy. Sometimes >called the "bad ten percent", no one has ever verified their >exact number; but everyone agrees that their effect is far >greater than the actual few that they are. > > Organized OHVers have expended much energy reducing the >numbers of these miscreants. Peer pressure, aggressive use of >all media for ethics information, and support for enforcement >have all been used extensively to change destructive behaviors. >While achieving gradual progress, organized OHVers acknowledge >that a few bozos are still around and redouble their efforts. > > Organized backcountry horsemen have also tackled this >problem among their ranks with enthusiasm. They've had the >additional burden of changing traditional practices that did have >serious impacts on the resources, as well as addressing common >thoughtlessness. Mountain bicyclists have worked among their >enthusiasts as well. > > There's another bunch, another "bad ten percent", running >rampant on the land. They're undaunted by the howls of their >victims, and actually encouraged by some land managers. Their >recreation preference is irrelevant. They're the conflict >specialists. They're an actual industry because they're highly >paid and well funded. > > OHVers are typically their target of choice. Claiming that >no other outdoorsfolk can pursue their fun while OHVers are >allowed, they poison wells of cooperation and trust. They rend >the social fabric as destructively as hill-bangers scar the >environment. > > A booklet sponsored by the Predator Project produced >especially for the State of Montana, says, "People who head to >the backcountry on their feet, by bicycle, or on horseback also >tend to find motorized use extremely disruptive....studies show >that motorized users do not mind sharing trails with non- >motorized users, but that hikers, horsepackers and cross country >skiers consistently try to avoid areas with motorized activity." >It does not provide any backup data to verify this conclusion. > > Recently, the conflict specialists have been stimulating >friction through a "quiet trails" campaign in Montana, Colorado, >and Alaska. The Quiet Use Coalition in Colorado accuses >motorized users of myriad sins and then sums it up, "But it is >the noise generated by these machines that has come to symbolize >all of the negative effects..." > > Backcountry horsemen are not immune from these kinds of >attacks. The recent Draft Wilderness Management Plan for the >Grand Canyon says, "Although few stock users consider meeting >hikers as inherently unpleasant, hikers generally find it >undesirable to meet stock in wilderness...For many wilderness >users, meeting parties with stock or finding evidence of stock >use, such as manure or corrals, also detracts greatly from their >experience." > > Mountain bicyclists have also been hit. The Continental >Divide Trail Society appealed the Targhee Forest Plan on the >basis that insufficient attention had been given to the Forest's >decision not to exclude mountain bicycles on the Continental >Divide Trail. Part of their appeal states, "There are growing >numbers of reports from the hikers/ walkers on footpath type >trails and trail segments that the mechanized trail user going by >on a "mountain bike" is viewed as an intrusion on their >experience and solitude....Solitude, however, is not the only >concern. Hikers are concerned about safety. Bicycles travel >significantly faster than hikers, yet can be quite silent in >their approach. Hikers have reported their feelings of >endangerment when they suddenly realized that bicycles were >approaching from behind at great speed." > > Do you detect a common thread here? OHVs are too noisy, >bicycles are too quiet, and horses stink. Nobody can get along >with anybody, or so the conflict specialists would have us think. >No wonder the Wildlands Project promotes core areas with "little >or no human use". > > What can be done? Targeted recreation groups have protested >to little avail. The great uninformed majority, out there >enjoying the woods, are unaware of this strife and discontent >nominally waged on their behalf. They won't speak out. > > It's up to land managers. They readily take action against >the few who tear hillsides. They need to more aggressively stand >firm against the conflict specialists, also a minority. >Managers need to stop rewarding them with closures and >restrictions on other users. They need to stop giving conflict >specialists promotional space in planning documents, like the >Grand Canyon Draft Wilderness Management Plan. They need to stop >trying to divide up the recreation resource pie and say, "Get >along or else." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) Protecting Our Land Date: 13 Sep 1998 10:54:49 -0400 For those of you interested in some groups protecting our access to public lands, such as the (Blue Ribbon Coalition, TREAD LIGHTLY!, and American Trails); and for groups that wish to limit our access (Sierra Club), checkout the WDSRC DualSport Site at http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/5245 Go to the menu page, scroll and click on environmental organizations. Robert Frey Withlacoochee DualSport Riders Florida, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: jcrumley@telepath Date: 13 Sep 1998 10:40:52 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I am interested in the purchase of a klr 650 for the purpose of >traveling to Costa Rica in the Spring of 1999. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: (klr650) Trip next week.. Date: 13 Sep 1998 12:11:33 -0500 Hey all my Wife and I will be leaving this Friday for a week long trip to South Eastern TN and NC. We don't really have an itinerary. We are just going to get on the bike and go. If there is anyone in that area that would like to meet up and go for a ride just let me know and we can maybe hook up or somthing. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: Scott Oiler. Date: 13 Sep 1998 12:26:23 -0500 (CDT) I've been using a ScottOiler on my CBR600 for two years and like it a lot. They work as advertised but there are a couple of gotychas. 1) if you use just the metering reservior it only holds 55cc of oil and you'll be refilling it more often. Also, with just the metering reservior you may not be able to adjust the flow rate low enough that it uses oil at a reasonable rate. For example, on my CBR with just the metering reservior it would run out of oil at 125 mi (I go on reserve at 150 mi). I think it has something to do with the amount of vacuum your engine creats as well as the vertical distance from the reservior to the drip nozzle. 2) if you add the touring reservoir (it is in addition to the metering reservior) you'll be able to adjust the flow rate much lower and the re-fill interval will be much longer. Also, you've now also got an additional 375cc (I think) of oil. My CBR needs refils of the touring reservoir at about 3000 miles. 3) The touring reservior is pretty big and I haven't been able to figure out where to put in on the KLR. I've been toying with the idea of making my own and shaping so it fits in some available area of the rear subframe. Maybe this winter. 4) I use Scott oil. It is fairly expensive but it's not that expensive and I don't use all that much. ScottOiler claims that it's a special formulation which includes some detergents and other special stuff not found in other oils. That is probably true but I have no idea if it matters all that much. The scott oil is quite a bit thinner than regular motor oil. I know some people who use regular motor oil and they say it works fine. 5) I have heard some people use chain saw chain lubricating oil. It sort of makes sense as the task is similar. A gallon of Chain Saw oil is cheaper than a half a liter of Scott oil. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: Brake fluid. Date: 13 Sep 1998 12:36:11 -0500 (CDT) I have been told that the seals, gaskets, etc. on some brake systems are not compatable with DOT5 even if you put in new seals and clean the system completely. I don't know. I just change and bleed the brakes a maximum every two years. I usually do it every year. I use Castrol GT-LMA DOT4. It's not completely clear but a very pale yellow. As it absorbs water it begins turning darker. I check the color in the master cylinder sight glass and as soon as I see any darkening I change the fluid no matter how long it's been there. I also put in new fluid from a new just opened container. As soon as you break the seal it starts absorbing water. Sure, I waste a lot of fluid but a pint only costs a couple dollars. I can do both the front and rear brakes on my KLR and CBR from a single pint and still have plenty left. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Camping equipment Date: 13 Sep 1998 11:35:09 -0700 Senor Villareal Here are some lists I found some time ago. One is brief, one is very extensive (this guy has done Central and South American touring if I remember correctly), and one is medical and survival stuff. http://www.coffey.com/~glwidup/tourlist.htm http://www.roadkill.com/~davet/druth/packList.html http://www.busprod.com/billjana/adllists.htm There is also a new book on Motorcycle Adventure Touring, can't remember the author but I think you can find it in the adventure touring section at amazon.com. Via con Dios Amigo Morgan, San Diego Remember whever you go, there you are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Onward through the fog Date: 13 Sep 1998 11:46:02 -0700 Sorry, I'm posting before my morning cup of coffee again. "Remember where ever you go, there you are!" 2 lumps please, Morgan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Partial mirror vibration solution Date: 13 Sep 1998 17:53:51 EDT << Greg- Would you mind posting the JCW part number for the mirror mounts along with the 800 #? Thanks in advance, Darrel A12 >> Part#: 06XP0517X Phone#: 312-431-6102 (They do not have an 800 number, belive it or not) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Pitcher" Subject: (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 13 Sep 1998 22:47:47 -0230 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDDF68.877F4660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi There! I am in the market for a large dual-purpose bike. I really like = the KLR650. Not to mention the company I work for also owns a Kawasaki = dealership. 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Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:45:57 -0400 recently took the killer out on a trip this weekend, the first after adjusting the valves. when i checked the valves (22k mi), all the clearances were slim to none (mostly none). they appeared to be in specs after changing shims (and stripping out two head cover bolt threads in the cylinder head...). the bike now runs a bit smoother at higher rpms, but seems to be less smooth at lower rpms (kinda "jerky"), and also has s distinct "tap" coming from the top end. 8^( _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cable lubing Date: 13 Sep 1998 20:12:02 -0600 >Yo desert-dualling listers, >Can anyone confirm a rumour I've picked up about lubing cables on bikes >in desert conditions? >Apparently, lubing cables on bikes for dusty conditions is not so >good an idea, as the lube tends to hold dust (a bit like covering the >chain in spray grease, making it a dirt magnet), so the cable clags up, >where a dry (unlubed) cable would keep on working. > >Just curious, >Mister_T Ted, I know this is late in regard to your post, but I agree with the others that you`re better off with lube of any kind than none at all. I personally have been using a dry graphite cable lube that I use on aircraft cables (freedom of movement is critical ) for the past 8 years on three different bikes with no problems. Being a dry film type, the is no problem with collecting foreign material on the exposed sections , like the choke. It works for me in all the conditions my bike has been in, but I seriously doubt that with the housing design, you`ll have problems regardless of your riding conditions. Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Watkins4" Subject: (klr650) Maintainance Tip - Prevent Stripped Bolts Date: 13 Sep 1998 20:15:44 -0600 I've noted that a lot of us are confessing to having stripped various bolts on our bikes. For some time, while in the military, I made a living twisting wrenches. During that time I can say that I NEVER stripped a bolt that I had installed or replaced myself. The reason for this success is simple...... a torque wrench and anti-seize compound. Brush a little anti-seize compound on the threads before you replace the bolt and tighten it to the indicated torque using the wrench. When it's time to remove it you'll find it will come out easily. This works well on any bolt, even heads, exhausts and sparkplugs. Just remember that when tightening to the required spec you should finish off with one smooth movement. FWIW Dave Watkins ..... KLR less in Calgary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr650) Bending alumnium Date: 13 Sep 1998 20:43:42 -0600 >, bending up 1-1/4" wide aluminum >strip. they make a really awful tearing sound when you bend them >and there are obvious surface tears on the outside of the bend. > Does anyone have any tricks that >enable such aluminum strips to stretch a bit under such bending, >rather than tearing? For instance, heating? > >Thanks, >Marick Marick, The stuff you`re using must be of a high heat treatment index. I use quite a bit of aluminum in my line of work, but when I need structural strength, I use a T6 or T7, bend it to the shape I need and then send it off to be heat treated. Aluminum strap is usually made in actual filament strands and has a grain to it like wood. You must be bending it across the grain and because of it`s temper, you are fracturing some of the layers. Heating it may help some, but because of aluminum`s conductivity properties, it is hard to concentrate it without using a very high heat source. I built my soft bag frames out of 7/16" tube steel that bent well when heated. On my NX650 I had made some out of 1/2 hollow tube that I would fill with sand, plug the ends and then heat till red, and it bent well without distorting the tube ( I didn`t have a tube bender then). Unless you will be using a lot of it, why not use steel strap, you can get it at any hardware store or steel supply. Look at TourTech`s website. They use steel strap for their KTM and DR pannier mounts. Good luck. Skip Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) dual headlamps? Date: 13 Sep 1998 20:52:16 -0600 >fairing. I did not see enough reserve for a second lamp, given the drain of all >the other items, and the relative efficiency and line losses. We will see. > >Best of luck > >Dr Robert Dr. Robert, I`ll not be using any more current than I`m presently using now with my 80/120 watt head lamp. Plus it will be even more efficient with larger gage wire and a relay for each lamp. Of course nothing is for sure and I may run into some problems, but that`s the fun part. Skip (who if didn`t have fun with the problems, wouldn`t have any fun at all ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Rottenberg Subject: (klr650) Cable lubbing in the Desert Date: 13 Sep 1998 23:13:26 -0500 Hey y'all, I haven't had much time to dedicate to the list lately, so I was catching up on my list reading and I came across a bunch of posts regarding cable lubbing in the desert (dusty areas). I read somebody uses graphite (excelent idea). I never ride my klr off road. Never. The one thing I did when I installed the Acerbis hand guards was to install a Honda CR something clutch cable cover, it's a little rubber thing that goes on your clutch lever and covers the exposed cable. I don;t recall how much I paid for that thing, but it wasn't much at all. Another thing I wanted to mention, I read posts regarding broken clutch cables at 10k miles or so ..... I have had the original clutch cable on my 95 and lub it every week or so ... Clean it with Water Displacement? 40 ( :-) Thanks Morgan) And after the brownish WD40 becomes yellow again (or clear) I use ChainWax ..... Just my 2 cents. Steve (Enjoying the KLR and the new Bandito Maximo 1200 (what a bike brother)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: (klr650) JCWhitney Topcase/Mirror Mounts Review plus Wieghted Bars Date: 14 Sep 1998 00:30:21 EDT Just thought I'd give something back to the list after receiving so much help on my gearing/vibe questions. Thanks everybody! I too purchased the Topcase from JC Whitney (Cat # 01AC7126N summer 98' catalog) the other day, along with the anti-vibration mirror mounts, and some closed-cell foam grips. The topcase is styled similiar to a Givi topcase. It only comes in flat black, and has a red reflector built into the bottm of the back part, around the lock area. The topcase is about 11 1/2" high, 19" wide, and 16 1/2" long. It comes with a tough plastic mounting bracket that you can mount right on top of the KLR luggage rack. I had to remove my tool kit, and put it somewhere else. The case is lockable, and removable (molded in recessed handle) with one button that is located under the key lock. When you lock the case, it also locks the button, so that the case cannot be removed. Took it for about a 100 mi. test ride today, and it worked great. The trunk sells for only $79.95 out of their catalog which is a pretty tough deal to beat for what you get. I give it an excellent value rating. I just wish this company (Demo) had hard bags for sale from Whitney! They also have one other removable case that I looked at, a bit smaller, and styled more squarely which is $57.98 in the same catalog. The anti-vibe mirror mounts (Cat # 06ABO517X summer 98' Catalog) work pretty good. I'm still getting some slow vibes in the mirrors, but I need to do some more adjusting. Now I can actually make out what kind of car is behind me, and how close it is! They are basically just a heavy chrome piece that screws into the mirror mount, and the mirror screws into the unit which has some type of hard threaded rubber inside. Cost $3.99 each. Again a pretty good deal. I took the advice of so many great listers, and put some (Copper/Steel) weight in the ends of my bars. Definitely made a difference. Not perfect, but it did help enough that my hands noticed right away, and it helped with hand fatique after a long ride today. Come to think of it, I didn't have any hand fatique! Can you believe that this KLR is now smoother than my Concours ever was at speed? That thing vibed like an electric shaver. After a 2400 mile trip on the Concours, it took my hands three weeks to stop tingling (And I had all the anti-vibe adjustments done to the Concours)! The KLR kind-of just massages you. I know, I know, In-line four compared to a single. Anyway, the weights helped. Thanks again to all who helped answer my questions, Bill Swindle 98' KLR650 Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: (klr650) Re: Carbs (Was: Latest antics) Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:00:42 +1000 Schouten, Frits JF wrote: [...] > Now the king question: > Should I say " The heck with the CO and the environment, get my Mini > driving again" > and live with a running on Mini OR should I leave it as is??? Up to you whether you want to fine tune your carby further. 8% CO _is_ rather rich, must be somewhere about 12:1 mix. I take it you didn't need much choke to start? Just to begin with, you could put a stiffer spring in, set the idle mix and see what it does. Else screw the mixture richer until the flat spot just goes away. At least you have a base setting and some idea of what the mixture is like. >From then on it's the whole spring/needle/damper merry-go-round we know and love :-/ If it was my car, I'd have a go at sorting it out, just for the satisfaction of saying "I did it". Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Petcockless mod (Long , so take a nap first) Date: 14 Sep 1998 13:17:11 +1000 Triphenia@aol.com wrote: [...] > if you ran out of gas, just pull over (freeways were not so common then,) lay > the bike over, and spill the fuel from the other side of the tank over, right > the bike, then start up again. You are sure not to forget to get more gas > soon! KLRs are pretty light on their own, I tip mine over each side after I wash it, but when on tour and loaded with saddle bags, rack and back plus other extras like a spare helmet and jacket, that extra weight up near seat height makes a difference. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 14 Sep 1998 13:32:31 +1000 bruixot@rmi.net wrote: [...] > However, if you fully purge the DOT 3 or 4, is there any reason to not use the > DOT 5 fluid, especially considering its advantage of being nonhygroscopic? IIRC, DOT 5 silicone has a higher boiling point, which is the main attraction, but it lost some favour among racers in that the silicone is a bit more compressible at high temps than that other stuff. Apart from that, the silicone stuff is supposed to not have the same lubricating properties of the other stuff (umm, poly-glycol?). AP and Ferodo supposedly have have racing fluids that have higher boiling points that also comply with SAE J1703. AP550 boils at 290degC "dry", and 145degC wet. AP600 boils at 300degC "dry", and 210degC wet. As a general rule, the higher the boiling point, the more hygroscopic the fluid is. The makers of the above racing fluid recommend changing the fluid before each event. I just stick to DOT 4 and be done with it, my pads fade before the fluid does. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:18:19 +1000 John Pitcher wrote: [...] > How powerfull is the KLR? The last bike that I had was a > XL600R. It was plenty powerfull for offroad use, but it wasn't > exactly a speed demon on the highway! Is it any good for taking a > passenger? Of all the accessories that I have seen on the net, I have > not seen a backrest. Is one available? The KLR would be comparable to the XL. Under ideal conditions, the XL _may_ have a bit more power due to differences in the head design, but the KLR would have more consistent performance due to its water cooling. I'm not sure whether the Honda still uses a twin carb setup (like it did in 1985 when I was choosing a bike). The extra complexity may annoy those who contemplate trailside carb cleanouts in the bush. Neither the XL or KLR are speed demons on the road, their power is comparable to a 400-500 twin road bike, and the traillie aerodynamics don't help either. But they'll maintain legal limits as long as your arse will allow. You won't see backrests for this class of bike. Off the tar, shifting your weight forward and back is a way of life as the conditions dictate, and a backrest would get in the way. My bike has an aussie indigenous "Gear Sack" rack and bag system fitted, allowing the bag to sit on the rack over the taillight, or to sit on the rear of the seat, thus freeing up space on the rack for other stuff. I can lean back against the bag when it's over the rear seat, and due to a styling quirk of the earlier 600 series, can comfortably hoist my legs up on the radiator air scoops for a comfy recline on a long haul. This also earns envious looks from overtaking hunchback sportsbike riders out on the open road. These bikes are not ideal for two-up touring owing to space limitations, but can do just about anything, which is why we like them so much. For one-up touring they are eminently competent. Other more specialised bikes will do certain things better than a KLR, but few bikes can match the allround versatility of a KLR. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: NKLR Re: (klr650) Land Use 2! Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:35:00 +1000 Robert frey wrote: [...] > >by Adena Cook, Public Lands Director > >BlueRibbon Coalition [...] > >Managers need to stop rewarding them with closures and > >restrictions on other users. They need to stop giving conflict > >specialists promotional space in planning documents, like the > >Grand Canyon Draft Wilderness Management Plan. They need to stop > >trying to divide up the recreation resource pie and say, "Get > >along or else." This pretty much sums up the whole issue, AFAICT. BTW, what's a "OHV"? I can see a "food chain" emerging here: walkers->horse riders->bicyclists->motorcyclists->4WDs with everybody pointing fingers at everybody else, and everybody expecting their own piece of newfound wilderness untouched by humans. Rotsa Ruck, kiddies. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WingRJ@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Street or dirt Date: 14 Sep 1998 01:56:45 EDT Good Day Let put a question to this group. What do you think about riding your KLR in the dirt? Is this bike a Dual Purpose type bike? Do you ride it on the street mainly as a show bike, because of its styling? Why do you ride it off road? I thank you for your time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mats Cederblad" Subject: (klr650) Engine Lockup Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:36:36 +0000 Hi, Now finally, I SEEM have fixed my bike after my engine lockup due to the balancer chain break-off. I have changed balancer-chain, 2 balancer sprockets,balancer-weigth, balancer chain guide and new fastening for the chain guide(drilling threading). Then it did not start , I checked the timing of camshaft, it was about 30 degrees wrong, fixed timing, it did not start anyway, checked the compression, none what so ever. Removed the cylinder head, exhaust valves was bent, bougth new ones. Finally it started yuipeekaie (don't know how it spells), and it runs very good more power than before( I think), fixed seating surface for new valves maybe did it. But it seems that I have more vibration in the bike from the engine now, I don't know If I maybe imagine this because it was so long time since I ride the bike. But it feels, and it looks like it on the instrumentation. Question Does anybody think thats it possible that the blancer/cam sprocket has moved(sligthly), it is only heatpressed on to the crankshaft ??, I mean with all that mass in the flywheels that went to a sudden stop!! And I can't get the timing marks on the camsprockets to inline the horizon of the cylinder head 100% (say 4 dergee wrong) this would also be an indication of this, I have checked the cam chain wear it's ok. Other For some reason the rear absorber started to leak, had to replace that one to. Could they start to leak if they are not used for 2-3 months ?? or did I bent it in some way when I removed the engine ? or are the deamons against me, is it not ment that I should ride this bike. Any ideas anyone KLR650 Tengai -91 M.V.H Best Regards Mats Cederblad ABB Metering SVM AB m.cederblad@svmab.se Tel +46 (0) 8 632 96 42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Street or dirt Date: 14 Sep 1998 05:28:37 -0700 At 01:56 AM 9/14/98 EDT, WingRJ@aol.com wrote: >Good Day > Let put a question to this group. > > What do you think about riding your KLR in the dirt? Depends on how you define "dirt". It is too heavy to go catching big air a la McGrath, but if you want to do 200 miles of rutted dirt road, it is 'da bomb. >Is this bike a Dual Purpose type bike? It is a multi-purpose bike. Mine gets commuted, toured on pavement and off (did 90 miles of dirt road one day, in the *east*, mind you), run to the grocery store, just about everything. > Do you ride it on the street mainly as a show bike, because of its styling? I ride it on the street because it is the most flexible, cost-effective bike on earth. In styling terms all is draws in these parts is a blank stare. Adventure-tourers have little pose value in these-here parts This here be Harley country. :) >Why do you ride it off road? Becasue they dont make knobbies to fit my R60/7. :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,500 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mats Cederblad" Subject: (klr650) Price in UK for KLR650 Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:33:58 +0000 Hi, I saw that some of you on the list is from the UK,I wounder what the price is for an KLR650 there, thinking of importing one from there since the price is very high here in sweden. Price for an older bike say year 90-94 or any indication on any yearmodel. I saw that the prices in USA was very good, but its too far away for me, so maybe the UK has something similare. Price in Sweden for an year 91 $3750 and an year 98 new one say $8000 I think it is very expensive. M.V.H Best Regards Mats Cederblad ABB Metering SVM AB m.cederblad@svmab.se Tel +46 (0) 8 632 96 42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #241 Date: 14 Sep 1998 06:19:41 +0100 >Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:26:23 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dale Borgeson >Subject: (klr650) Re: Scott Oiler. > >I've been using a ScottOiler on my CBR600 for two years and like it a lot. >They work as advertised but there are a couple of gotychas. > >1) if you use just the metering reservior it only holds 55cc of oil and >you'll be refilling it more often. Also, with just the metering reservior >you may not be able to adjust the flow rate low enough that it uses oil at >a reasonable rate. For example, on my CBR with just the metering reservior >it would run out of oil at 125 mi (I go on reserve at 150 mi). I use the regular resevoir that comes with the basic $115 kit with my KLR and get 1000 miles of us before I have to fill it. I think you have some defect in your unit or have not installed it properly. At the rate you are using it you are going way over the recommended rate of 1-2 drops / minute. By the way, you can watch the rate at idle. Just look down and see how many drops come out per minute and dial back the adjuster on the top of the resevoir. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) Re; Chain Lube Date: 14 Sep 1998 07:16:34 -0400 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > My point is that eventhough both methods are sub standard by normal > chain maintenance lore, my chains seems to last at least as long as the > next guys. I have 9K miles on mine now and it looks great. (I would be > interested in knowing when other have changed theirs.) > Pat, Just changed my chain and sprockets for the first time at 16k miles. Had a couple of links starting to click pretty bad. Got my rear sprocket and chain (Tsubaki) from Dennis Kirk and the front sprocket from another outfit. The reason for this was I went to a 16T front. The taller gearing is giving me better mileage and lower rpms on the road. On the first tank of gas I went from a typical for me 57-58 mpg to 60 mpg. I asked Fred Hink about changing chains and he changes about every 6k miles. He does mostly off-road though. Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 16k miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Engine Lockup Date: 14 Sep 1998 07:30:34 -0400 See if theres any other means of lining up the sprocket to check.. it should be exactly 180 degrees opposite the piston. I cant think of any other means myself. IT is possible that gear has moved. If it is slightly out, its not really critical. As far as your timing being off, KLR's experience a lot of camchain wear, the 600's especially so (I went through 3 of them). As the chain wears, your cams will fall slightly out of adjustment. Maybe theres a spec in the manual as to just how much change is okay? KLR's have decent front suspension, but miserable rear suspension. Look at companies like Fox, Progressive and White brothers before you purchase a new stock unit. I never jumped my 600 once I'd seen a few all with blown rear dampers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mats Cederblad [SMTP:m.cederblad@svmab.se] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 6:37 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) Engine Lockup > > Hi, > Now finally, I SEEM have fixed my bike after my > engine lockup due to the balancer chain break-off. > I have changed balancer-chain, 2 balancer sprockets,balancer-weigth, > balancer chain guide and new fastening for the chain guide(drilling > threading). > Then it did not start , I checked the timing of camshaft, it was > about 30 degrees wrong, fixed timing, it did not start anyway, > checked the compression, none what so ever. Removed the cylinder > head, exhaust valves was bent, bougth new ones. > > Finally it started yuipeekaie (don't know how it spells), and it > runs very good more power than before( I think), fixed seating > surface for new valves maybe did it. > But it seems that I have more vibration in the bike from > the engine now, I don't know If I maybe imagine this because it was > so long time since I ride the bike. But it feels, and it looks like > it on the instrumentation. > > Question > Does anybody think thats it possible that the blancer/cam sprocket > has moved(sligthly), it is only heatpressed on to the crankshaft ??, > I mean with all that mass in the flywheels that went to a sudden > stop!! > And I can't get the timing marks on the camsprockets to inline > the horizon of the cylinder head 100% (say 4 dergee wrong) > this would also be an indication of this, I have checked the cam > chain wear it's ok. > > Other > For some reason the rear absorber started to leak, had to replace > that one to. > Could they start to leak if they are not used for 2-3 months ?? > or did I bent it in some way when I removed the engine ? > or are the deamons against me, is it not ment that I should ride this > bike. > > Any ideas anyone > > KLR650 Tengai -91 > > M.V.H Best Regards > Mats Cederblad > ABB Metering SVM AB > > > m.cederblad@svmab.se > Tel +46 (0) 8 632 96 42 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) No start,, Date: 14 Sep 1998 07:36:52 -0400 I had a problem once with my 600 where it would die the second I let go of the clutch lever, even in neutral! Turned out to be some wiring problems in the harness. You can short across the clutch and kickstand position switches first. Make sure your air filter isnt sopping wet from fuel or oil leakage. Also chek to see if some hoses didnt get pinched. > >Please a lit'l help,, > > > >Yep, you got it, wipe out.....the left side of the bike ingested > >gravel,, 2 points for holding up well though,, don't worry I'm ok. > >Now it will ONLY start in neutral when the clutch is engaged. Put it > >into gear, No way regardless of the clutch position. Leave it in Neutral > >with clutch disengaged, No way. > >So I have concluded that the problem is to do with the clutch switch > >(wherever that is), I guess.. > >I pulled apart the kick stand (left side), cable and switch actuator > >assy. all seems well (affixed and working), so I pulled apart the left > >handle bar assy., adjusted cable fully in and out to see if it would > >engage start mechanism, nothing. So I have run into a gravel wall (so to > >speak),,, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Street or dirt Date: 14 Sep 1998 05:46:30 PDT >Good Day >Let me put some questions to this group. 1. What do you think about riding your KLR in the dirt? 2. Is this bike a Dual Purpose type bike? 3. Do you ride it on the street mainly as a show bike, because of its styling? 4. Why do you ride it off road? >I thank you for your time. My replies: 1. It's a lot easier to handle in the dirt than I thought it would be (it IS a big bike...). I only had one year's worth of riding prior to buying it so I was a little intimidated at first, but as long as I keep my speed up I'm okay. It's a very well balanced bike. 2. Will refrain from answering this question due to an inability to speak intelligently on the subject (i.e., seasoning in progress). 3. I ride it on the street (alot), but NEVER as a showbike (that's why we have "Yuppies-on-Harleys"). I think my KLR is beautiful, but in no way does it figure into why I ride. 4. Can you really see Utah (or any other beautiful place) from the interstate? I didn't think so... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR Panama City, Panama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mirror Vibration Date: 14 Sep 1998 05:57:40 PDT >Juan Villarreal wrote: >I haven't used (or seen) DR650 mirrors on a KLR, but I DID take >Jake Jakeman's bit of advice and switched to Honda XR650 mirrors with >the built-in vibration dampeners. Problem solved! And whaddaya know, I find I use them a lot more. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR >Juan, >What did you pay for your new mirrors? > >Bill Wright >Hotlanta GA. Bill, I got tagged for about $65. Good luck, Juan Villarreal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) vibrating mirrors. Date: 14 Sep 1998 08:09:23 -0500 My 93 KLX has dampers on the mirrors. I'm going to try them on my 98 KLR. They are quite clear on the KLX and it vibrates more than the KLR. They stand up higher and farther out also which would make everything even more visable. > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrBo Subject: Re: (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 14 Sep 1998 07:51:58 -0600 Ted Palmer wrote: > John Pitcher wrote: > > You won't see backrests for this class of bike. > Off the tar, shifting your weight forward and back is a way of life > as the conditions dictate, and a backrest would get in the way. > Mister_T Just an addioanl note, Fred does have on Tail Trunk w/backrest. Maybe an alternative..? 8 GiVi E36 (36ltr).....148.00** > >49 GiVi E38N (38ltr).....140.00 > >50 GiVi E40(w/ backrest) (40ltr).....154.00 > >51 GiVi E45 (45ltr).....150.50* > >5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Tire Wear Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:44:20 Yesterday I took a 150 mile ride and when I got home I jacked up the bike to clean and chain-wax the chain. While doing that, I looked closely at the rear tire (the stock Dunlop K750) and was unpleasantly surprised to notice that the tread in the middle of the tire was only about 1/16" above the thread wear indicators. The tread on the sides of the tire looks brand new. The bike has only 2900 miles on it and I don't beat the bike or tires when I ride. I looks like I'll be able to finish out the '98 riding season which, realistically, ends about November 1st around here, but I'll definitely need a new tire for next year. I guess I'm just disappointed!. I'm gonna buy a Bridgestone TW22 to replace the rear tire. I saw one on the back of a KLR and it looked fine. I've always had good luck with Bridgestone tires, too. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire Wear Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:17:04 -0400 > I looked closely at the rear tire (the stock Dunlop K750) >and was unpleasantly surprised to notice that the tread in the middle of >the tire was only about 1/16" above the thread wear indicators..... The bike has only 2900 miles on >it and I don't beat the bike or tires when I ride. Bob, That was my experience too. I'm running a Gripster now, and it seems to be doing a lot better. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Rifle Date: 14 Sep 1998 13:18:34 While cleaning my Rifle 16" clear windshield yesterday, I discovered a crack originating from the center mounting hole. The windshield has not been struck or abused in any way and there's not a mark on it. I called Rifle today and talked to Dennis who agreed (although it took a little gentle and good natured encouragement) to replace the windshield under the one year warranty. I bought the windshield new last March and was careful not to overtighten the plastic mounting screws per the instructions. Dennis says that the windshield is made from 1/8" polycarbonate (Lexan). My personal experience with lexan is that it is very tough and I'm surprised that it cracked no matter how hard you tighten it. Anyway, I get the feeling that Rifle gets a lot of calls about cracked windshields that get actually get cracked by overzealous tightening of the mounting screws by users who just cannot believe that finger tight is tight enough. So I can sorta understand their reluctance to replace every windshield for free. FWIW. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "r. kaub" Subject: (klr650) Thermostat Date: 14 Sep 1998 13:26:56 I called a dealer to inquire about my leaking thermostat. I was willing to buy any gasket or whatever seals the thermostat housing rather than go through the bullshit of getting the bike in for a couple of days for a warranty repair. It turns out that the seal is built into the thermostat and you have to buy the whole thermostat ($25.00) to make the repair or take the bike in for a warranty fix. Foo. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Barthell" Subject: Re: (klr650) Rifle Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:46:51 -0500 I have never had a windshield crack but I have had two bases crack, I am on the third now. This one has lasted much longer and I think _my_ problem was that I used to use locktite on the bolts that run from outside the fairing to the internal frame. I haven't had a problem since I stopped using the locktite. Jim -----Original Message----- >While cleaning my Rifle 16" clear windshield yesterday, I discovered a >crack originating from the center mounting hole. The windshield has not ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire Wear Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:09:59 PDT Bob Kaub wrote: >Yesterday I took a 150 mile ride and when I got home I jacked up the bike to clean and chain-wax the chain. >While doing that, I looked closely at the rear tire (the stock Dunlop K750)and was unpleasantly surprised to notice that the tread in the middle of the tire was only about 1/16" above the thread wear indicators. The tread on the sides of the tire looks brand new. The bike has only 2900 miles on it and I don't beat the bike or tires when I ride. >I looks like I'll be able to finish out the '98 riding season which, >realistically, ends about November 1st around here, but I'll definitely need a new tire for next year. I guess I'm just disappointed!. I'm gonna buy a Bridgestone TW22 to replace the rear tire. I saw one on the back of a KLR and it looked fine. I've always had good luck with Bridgestone tires, too. Thanks. >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 Hey Bob, be disappointed, but don't be surprised. I do about a 70/30 street/dirt riding ratio and got only 3500 miles out of my Dunlops, so it looks like you're right on schedule. Some more experienced friends of mine (which can be taken to mean just about anyone) said that it behooves the manufacturer to put soft and "sticky" tires (boy, if that's not an opening!...) on their bikes to avoid lawsuits. I don't necessarily like it, but it makes sense to me. By the way, I replaced them with the IRC GP-110s; they've worked out really well for me and the howl they make alone is worth the price of admission. Condolences and good luck. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:30:35 -0500 (CDT) Hey list, I recently read a post about someone asking if people use the KLR as a show bike (sorry to whoever wrote it, I deleted the message already). I found this funny, especially since Dual sports are not very popular bikes in the Milwaukee area, and from the rest of the comments on the list, not very popular in the US in general. You couldn't pose with this bike no matter how hard you try. In fact, lets see here, in the year and a half I've had this bike, Ive ridden everywhere around this city and beyond (with friends on their bikes and alone), only to receive a total of three comments. One guy asked me how much I paid for it, I told him, and he said "oh". Another guy told me that he liked my friends DR350 which was parked besides mine, and offered to sell me his own (no thanks). And third but not least, an older man itchin for conversation asked me why the front tire was so big (sigh). Actually, now that I think about, my friend with the DR did say "God that thing is big" when I first bought it. So as you can see the comments you get on a KLR are few and far between, and when you do get them, they may have nothing to do with your bike! And it's not because their common either, I've only seen four others in person in over 15000 miles of KLRing. So in making a long answer longer, I can't imagine anyone using a KLR as a showbike, unless you dipped it in gold that is. My two cents, Carlos (who maybe doesn't stop long enough to get comments) P.S. Come to think of it, there is a group of enthusiasts other than ourselves that absolutely love this bike, children between 4 and 10 years of age. Man they just cannot stop waving and smiling when I pass them on the highway. I wonder if this is true with the newer teal colored KLRs, or if is due to the bright blue on my 91? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus_Young@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young) Subject: Re(2): (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 14 Sep 1998 13:44:41 -0600 I don't think it's just the color. I have a teal 1996, and I can't count the number of times this summer I've been fueling up when some kid wanders over and asks me all sorts of questions about it. aviator@csd.uwm.edu,Internet writes: > . . . > > >P.S. Come to think of it, there is a group of enthusiasts other than >ourselves that absolutely love this bike, children between 4 and 10 years >of age. Man they just cannot stop waving and smiling when I pass them on >the highway. I wonder if this is true with the newer teal colored KLRs, >or if is due to the bright blue on my 91? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WKPII@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:51:23 EDT Same thing happens with my 89 KLR. Kids love it! Always get smiles, waves, and "cool bike". You should see there faces when my skis are loaded up on it. Walter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 14 Sep 1998 18:39:08 -0000 Got the corporate line here, but this is what I got from Mobil. Their email address is at the end, if anyone wishes to continue the quest for info. I asked for specific benefits, but it looks like you get the copy and paste from a brochure at Pep Boys. I'm appreciative, but not enlightened. Oh well... p.s. Note the word "shear" is used here! ;) Note also the mention of common transmission and engine. No mention of wet clutch. Provokes a thought...The loads placed on transmission gears are not present in a car engine. In a car engine, there are no gears that receive a high load, cam and distributor are all I can think of. Perhaps the stresses placed on an oil by gear action is an important issue in oil design. (???) Who knows... Thank you for contacting Mobil. For Mobil 1 MX4T and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50, you get the following benefits: - Mobil's full synthetic base fluid technology provides maximum shear stability, resisting viscosity breakdown in high performance engines and transmissions where bikes use a common lubrication system for the engine and transmission. - You get exceptional high temperature oil stability, with less oxidation and thermal degradation - The combination of synthetic base fluid and proprietary additive packages provide exceptional wear protection. - The lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils help maintain maximum horse power and acceleration throughout the life of your engine But to put it more simply - if you want to ride your bike long and hard and not be concerned about the oil - choose Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils If you would like to receive literature on Mobil 1 ( all specs ) and comparative information please call 1-800-ASKMOBIL. If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail address: lubes@ffx.mobil.com or by phone at 1-800-ASKMOBIL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Shipping from Panama Date: 14 Sep 1998 17:28:36 PDT Alex, Delia (the housekeeper) was kind enough to dig up the phone number of Barwil Agencies. It's still looking like your best bet. They can be reached by dialing the following: 011-507-263-7755. I don't remember what it was I wrote in the last e-mail, but they do offer a charge-by-the-pound service (cargo only) from Colon (located on Panama's north coast) to Cartegena, Colombia. Let me know what else you find out. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 14 Sep 1998 18:48:52 -0600 sounds like snake oil to me...bet that "shear"-ability adds 2% functionally but costs 200%...bob ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: > Got the corporate line here, but this is what I got from Mobil. Their email > address is at the end, if anyone wishes to continue the quest for info. I > asked for specific benefits, but it looks like you get the copy and paste > from a brochure at Pep Boys. I'm appreciative, but not enlightened. Oh > well... > > p.s. Note the word "shear" is used here! ;) Note also the mention of > common transmission and engine. No mention of wet clutch. Provokes a > thought...The loads placed on transmission gears are not present in a car > engine. In a car engine, there are no gears that receive a high load, cam > and distributor are all I can think of. Perhaps the stresses placed on an > oil by gear action is an important issue in oil design. (???) Who knows... > > Thank you for contacting Mobil. > > For Mobil 1 MX4T and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50, you get the following > benefits: > > - Mobil's full synthetic base fluid technology provides maximum shear > stability, resisting viscosity breakdown in high performance engines and > transmissions where bikes use a common lubrication system for the engine > and transmission. > > - You get exceptional high temperature oil stability, with less > oxidation and thermal degradation > > - The combination of synthetic base fluid and proprietary additive > packages provide exceptional wear protection. > > - The lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils help maintain > maximum horse power and acceleration throughout the life of your engine > > But to put it more simply - if you want to ride your bike long and hard > and not be concerned about the oil - choose Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils > > If you would like to receive literature on Mobil 1 ( all specs ) and > comparative information please call 1-800-ASKMOBIL. > > If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail > address: lubes@ffx.mobil.com or by phone at 1-800-ASKMOBIL. -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) Footware Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:10:22 -0400 I have had great luck with my Red Wing steel tow work boots. Once they are broken in they feel like moccasins. I have several USMC issue combat boots left over but prefer my Red Wing's. Darren (happy feet!) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Heaslet Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 8:45 AM >>Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) Pirelli Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:10:27 -0400 P.S. Avon Gripster -- $_______ US funds (best price seen) $65 The Cycle Center Culpeper VA 540-825-5544 (David) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:57:15 -0400 Some pretty good posts on brake fluid so far. For you punishment gluttons, look at the Federal Motor Vehicle Standards, Standard #116, Motor vehicle brake fluids. This standard is formed in conjunction with the SAE standards. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation. The FMVSS are put together at the same time as the SAE standard, with both parties looking over each others shoulders. To get the FMVSS, go to the GPO Access page at- http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html Search for the citation 49CFR571.116 Drag the fridge and coffee maker over to the PC and enjoy. Something else I have here at my fingertips are- SAE1703 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid SAE1705 Low Water Tolerant Brake Fluids SAE1709 European Brake Fluid Technology Everything you wanted to know (almost) about the DOT 3, 4, Super 4, 5, 5.1 and up fluids. There's even mention of a silicon ester fluid (different from DOT5 silicone fluid) that is compatible with DOT 3 and 4. Unfortunately the SAE papers aren't available on the web (greedy bastards). Check them out at your local university library this winter. Last winter I read over the papers and ran a few tests. I was curious how fast brake fluid gets wet in an opened container. I also tested how fast brake fluid got wet in a sealed (KLR) brake system. The results were surprising. Guess what? Brake fluid gets wet pretty fast. If you look at wet and dry boiling points of brake fluid, you'll see that DOT 3 and 4 have a lot of overlap. So what's more important than whether you use DOT 3 or DOT 4, is whether your fluid is wet or dry. I tested a few vehicles and found that even after one year, the brake fluid moisture content was quite high. High enough I believe to greatly compromise the fluid boiling point. Bottom line? Change your fluid regularly. Once a year isn't too often. And don't do it on a hot rainy day. The fluid will remain much drier if you open your brake system and transfer the fluid on a cool dry day. And what about open containers of fluid? I opened a few and then shut them again. I then wrapped a few turns of teflon tape around the cap to pseudoseal them. Every few months I reopened the containers and tested them for moisture increase. Water levels increased about 50-100ppm per month. Fluid in a brake system such as a KLR sucks up water about ten times faster than that. _IF_ you reseal the can, brake fluid will keep on the shelf for a good while. Why bother though? Brake fluid is pretty cheap, even a good DOT 4 grade (I prefer Castrol GT LMA DOT 4). One of the highest boiling point fluids around is a big surprise- Ford heavy duty truck brake fluid. A while back I read through these publications and did some water sorption testing. If y'all get really bored I can dig up the writeups I did about it on another list and repost them here. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Prospectus for dual sport ride in Patagonia Date: 14 Sep 1998 19:47:39 -0600 With reference to the earlier message to the list about scheming for a late 1999 dual-sport ride in Chilean Patagonia, there is now the start of a web page with some planning notes and links to my fotos of the last trip to southern Chile. http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3451/index.html Those of you who contacted me directly for foto attachments have already seen some of these. Dr Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Re: WingRJ's questions Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:08:52 +0000 WingRJ asks: >What do you think about riding your KLR in the dirt? It's fun >Is this bike a Dual Purpose type bike? No, it's AT LEAST a triple purpose >Do you ride it on the street mainly as a show bike, because of its styling? Yes, and the fact that I don't own a trailer >Why do you ride it off road? Because I can >I thank you for your time. You are welcome ;-) Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL 88 BMW K75S 98 KLR 650 <-----SHOW BIKE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:14:28 +0000 Although I should have replaced the tire a while ago, my bike has 8900 miles on it, on the STOCK rear tire. I couldn't even tell you the air pressure I ran. It's not bald, but I would avoid rain if I had to ride it. Alex in Illinois ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Re: showbike Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:16:02 +0000 I have actually had many comments on my bike. I have found that a lot of people are interested in off road touring. Lord knows I talk it up every chance I get!!!! Alex in IL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: (klr650) Dual Star center stands Date: 14 Sep 1998 22:31:54 -0500 (CDT) Hey all, I've decided to get a dual star centerstand. I called dual star today but got an answering machine several times. Does anyone know their regular business hours? I'm also considering getting a used dual star stand if anyone is considering parting with one in good condition. If so, respond directly please. Thanks in advance, Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Bending aluminum Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:03:53 PDT Thanks to all of you who gave advice on my questions about bending up aluminum strips to make a saddle bag frame. Don't know what the heck the formulation is as there's no label on the bars and Ace Hdwe doesn't know. But, sounds like to 6016T6 from its behavior on being bent. I've decided to follow the simplest advice and switch to steel strapping. Bends real nice. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Bending aluminum Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:06:22 PDT Jake, I'd be pleased to have a description of your blinker mounting method. I think I can hang my leather bags low enough to fit under the lights, but maybe not. Thanks, Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Carbs (Was: Latest antics) Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:35:26 +1000 Ted Palmer wrote: [Mini CO% advice] Whoops, I goofed. For the confused, that was supposed to go to the international Mini car mailing list (another hangout of mine, one reason why I end up with about 120 emails per day). Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage Date: 15 Sep 1998 07:37:02 -0400 >Although I should have replaced the tire a while ago, my bike has 8900 miles on it, on the >STOCK rear tire. Alex - that's interesting, what stock tire are you running? Bob Kaub and I had the exact same experience on our Dunlops, and I don't see how it could have been possible to get even 4000-4500 out of mine. I kept air pressure at 28 psi. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star center stands Date: 15 Sep 1998 05:30:58 PDT >From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez >Subject: (klr650) Dual Star center stands >Hey all, >I've decided to get a dual star centerstand. I called dual star today but >got an answering machine several times. Does anyone know their regular >business >hours? I'm also considering getting a used dual star stand if anyone is >considering parting with one in good condition. If so, respond directly >please. >Thanks in advance, >Carlos Carlos, The two most difficult things involved in getting a Dual Star centerstand (other than paying the $175) are: 1. Getting a hold of someone (ever heard of a website, guys?). And... 2. Getting Mike Walburn (the owner) off the phone if he happens to be the one who answers. Very friendly person, that man... Another thing you should be made aware of is that it can take some time to get your order filled. They may have gotten better since last winter, but I think I had to wait about 6 weeks for my centerstand. That having been said-- if you're wanting a centerstand, this is one that's definitely worth paying (and waiting) for. If you've seen one you'll know what I mean. By the way, I noticed the "aviator" in your e-mail address. Whaddaya fly? Just curious (I'm a navigator in the AF). Take it easy and good luck. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raymond Ramlakan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage Date: 15 Sep 1998 08:56:25 -0400 I changed my 91's rear Stock Dunlop at 11200 miles but my bike has never = been off-road. There was still a fair amount of rubber left so I replaced = it with the same tire. The original front stock tire is still in good = condition after 15K miles. Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Reliability of KLX Date: 15 Sep 1998 06:19:20 PDT A further comment on the reliability of the KLX, a question asked a couple of weeks ago: this from an owner with a lot of experience. Marick 19:02 Tue 04/21/98 From Keith Koningen : Re: Introductions In '94 I bought a new KLX650R and together with my boss at the Kawasaki shop where I used to work, we set out to turn these big, heavy machines into something better. Along the way a steady list of modifications to suspension, exhaust and carburation have made a big difference. This year a 41mm Keihin FCR carb for Larry Roselor at Stroker was put on, along with more suspension tuning. Was it worthwhile? This has been the cheapest bike I've ever run for repairs and for parts breaking. It's stood up very well to tremendous abuse. Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain gear shortcomings Date: 15 Sep 1998 09:51:44 -0400 Dean, I had similar problems w/ South Florida rain squalls and found my solution in Gore-Tex overmits by Outdoor Research. They were approx $15-20 thru R.E.I. and w/ a quick seam seal treatment, I have stayed bone dry for nearly three years. My leather gloves fit well underneath and the gauntlets are super long and cinch tight. Jake Dean Harrison wrote: > > I just got back from doing 3000 miles into Colorado and wanted to point out > a shortcoming of my rain gear. Obviously in Seattle rain gear has a higher > level of priority than most places. Anyway, I was pretty well prepared with > new Hein Gerick Rainman gear and my boots were treated and stayed pretty > dry. One thing I failed to provide for was protection of my gloves. It > doesn't matter how good your gloves are crash protection wise if you're > freezing in the wet, you're done for the day. Weather in the 50's and 70 > mph will chill you real fast. I checked all the hardware stores I could > find along the way with no luck, especially when you have large hands like > myself. > > Anyway, I'm going to order the El Cheapo yellow rubber gloves from Rider > Warehouse for around $5. It's the only place that I can find with anything > that will likely fit. I may give their thumb squeegee a shot also for $7. I > don't want it for the rain but I hit some heavy fog also and the mist was > much worse than rain on visibility. Well, that's my $.02. If somebody has > any other suggestions for glove rain protection, please let me know. > Thanks. > > Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Reliability of KLX Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:27:31 -0400 I also have a KLX. The thing is super-reliable both in the dirt and on the highway. The only bad things I've seen so far are the lack of damping adjustment on the rear shock of the KLX650C model (If any of you have a stock KLX650A unit for sale, or know of a good aftermarket unit, please let me know) ,the steel swingarm and lack of kickstarter like the KLR600's. I've also given some thought to changing the CV carb to a FCR, but I've heard that even strokers suggested jetting was way off. Any comments on the carb mod? > A further comment on the reliability of the KLX, a question asked a > couple of weeks ago: this from an owner with a lot of experience. > > Marick > > 19:02 Tue 04/21/98 From Keith Koningen : Re: > Introductions > > In '94 I bought a new KLX650R and together with my boss at the Kawasaki > shop where I > used to work, we set out to turn these big, heavy machines into > something better. Along the > way a steady list of modifications to suspension, exhaust and > carburation have made a big difference. > This year a 41mm Keihin FCR carb for Larry Roselor at Stroker was put > on, along with > more suspension tuning. > > Was it worthwhile? This has been the cheapest bike I've ever run for > repairs and for parts breaking. > It's stood up very well to tremendous abuse. > > Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) Reliability of KLX Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:02:52 -0400 I'll have to agree. I have 12,000 on mine and not one problem. One exhaust valve had to be adjusted around 8K and I am still using the original chain and sprockets. The stock shock may not have damping but as far as stock units go it is fairly good and the front end is very good. I have not done any mods except shimming the needle up a little. I feel this bike runs very strong and I am not going to do any engine/exhaust mods until it falls off and has to be replaced. James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C > I also have a KLX. The thing is super-reliable both in the dirt and on > the > highway. The only bad things I've seen so far are the lack of damping > adjustment on the rear shock of the KLX650C model (If any of you have > a > stock KLX650A unit for sale, or know of a good aftermarket unit, > please let > me know) ,the steel swingarm and lack of kickstarter like the > KLR600's. I've > also given some thought to changing the CV carb to a FCR, but I've > heard > that even strokers suggested jetting was way off. Any comments on the > carb > mod? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:16:29 -0400 11,200 miles WOW! Do you ride very conservatively? I guess riding off road must really take life off your tires. I put on my 3rd rear at about 10K but when I ride off road I really ride the rear hard, locking it up braking and spinning around corners. Most of my off-road is in sand and I never really thought it would wear the tire much. What do other think. I don't know about you but here in Florida when you remove a rear tire it will stand up because it get squared off so much due to lack for good twisties. James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Ramlakan [SMTP:RRamlakan@gensemi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:56 AM > To: stuart@heaslet.com; alex319@IDT.NET; klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > I changed my 91's rear Stock Dunlop at 11200 miles but my bike has > never been off-road. There was still a fair amount of rubber left so I > replaced it with the same tire. The original front stock tire is still > in good condition after 15K miles. > Ray > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: Re: (klr650) Price in UK for KLR650 Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:15:54 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Mats Cederblad wrote: > Hi, > I saw that some of you on the list is from the UK,I wounder > what the price is for an KLR650 there, thinking of importing one > from there since the price is very high here in sweden. Hullo Mats, There's only one of me here so far as I know. > Price for an older bike say year 90-94 or any indication on any > yearmodel. I may be wrong, but I don't think the UK imported KLRs from 92 to 95. Most of the models that you can find 2nd hand wise are from 87-91 and most of the 91s are of the Tengai flavour. The price range would be from 900 pounds for an 87 to 1600 pounds for a 91. Not cheap really, compared to what you can get from the States. 96/97 models go for about 2200 to 3000 pounds but you don't want to get those, nor a 98. The Euro specs, 96 onwards, for the KLR is rather different from the American one. Tank size is 14 litres Euro, 22 litres US. Euro doesn't have a mini fairing, US does. Rear tyre is 120/90/17 Euro, 130/80/17 US. There's a few other cosmetic differences as well. I think the reason for the differences is that Europe is more 'supermotard-y' inclined than the US. Maybe. > I saw that the prices in USA was very good, but its too far away for > me, so maybe the UK has something similare. > Best place to get them used KLRs would be from Germany or Italy, I'd say. They're cheaper there than here. And shipping would be easier, too. And the speedo would be in new money as well (kmh rather than mph). > Price in Sweden for an year 91 $3750 and an year 98 new one say > $8000 I think it is very expensive. That is expensive... UK 98 model --> 4200 pounds (7000 US approx) and you could probably knock it down a bit more at the dealers. Cheers, Yus. -- Yusseri Yusoff / y.yusoff@ee.surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/showstaff?Yusoff Centre for Vision, Speech and Signal Processing University of Surrey Guildford GU2 5XH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: more brake fluid Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:34:36 -0500 (CDT) Snip a lot of Rick's very good posting > > Last winter I read over the papers and ran a few tests. I was curious > how fast brake fluid gets wet in an opened container. I also tested > how fast brake fluid got wet in a sealed (KLR) brake system. The > results were surprising. Guess what? Brake fluid gets wet pretty > fast. If you look at wet and dry boiling points of brake fluid, How did you do your water absorbition tests? Is this something you can do at home? > 50-100ppm per month. Fluid in a brake system such as a KLR sucks up > water about ten times faster than that. _IF_ you reseal the can, Once the master cylinder cover is installed I would think that the system is sealed at least as well as the original container now opened but resealed with teflon tape. Do you have any thoughts on why so much more mositure gets into the bike's brake system than the storage container? Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Kindarji" Subject: RE: (klr650) long highway trips? Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:08:36 -0400 > > I'd like to hear from the gang who has ridden long highway distance on > the KLR, and just how many miles. > Saturday 12th of September, left Tampa 5:00AM - Arrive in Montreal (Quebec Canada) on the 14th 7:00PM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 4 hours. Friday 18th of September, left Montreal 5:30AM (froze to death) - Arrive in Tampa on the 19th 9:00OM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 9 Hours. My KLR is just Vanilla, no extras, it behaved wonderfully, no problems at all. I had 1800 Miles on it when I left and now I have 5000. I had to stop every hour to stretch my back for couple of minutes (did it most of the time when I was filling gas). It was a great experience, I hated being stuck behind trucks, the crosswind is just awfull. Since it was my first long trip things I would better prepare myself for: 1- Changing weather. I froze to death coming down on the I87 in New-York early in the morning. I was caught in a storm in Syracus/New-York. It was so bad, it brought down power lines. I was under the rain being drenched to the bones (storm was so bad that even cars stopped on the side of the road), I started to shiver until a nice soul opened the door of his car and let me in waiting for the storm to pass. 2- Good pair of Sun Glasses. I had the sun in my face on my way back. 3- Better scheduling. I was caught in traffic jams both in Baltimore and Washington 4- A backrest for the long stretches. I had 2 backpacks, one that I attached to the back of the bike and the other one that I carried on my back only filled with clothes (so very soft) so that I could lean on the first attached backpack. was OK but a backrest would be more comfortable. 5- Motorcycle Motor Oil - I lost almost half a quart on each way that I had to replace with regular motor oil. 6- A security cable for those times I had to be away from my bike. Was a great experience, met lot of interesting people. So good luck and remember YOU might be driving safely but others might not, so please please please be careful. Chris - KLR650 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: RE: (klr650) long highway trips? Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:05:28 PDT >> I'd like to hear from the gang who has ridden long highway distance on >> the KLR, and just how many miles. >> To which Christian replied: >Saturday 12th of September, left Tampa 5:00AM - Arrive in Montreal (Quebec >Canada) on the 14th 7:00PM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 4 hours. >Friday 18th of September, left Montreal 5:30AM (froze to death) - Arrive in >Tampa on the 19th 9:00OM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 9 Hours. >My KLR is just Vanilla, no extras, it behaved wonderfully, no problems at >all. I had 1800 Miles on it when I left and now I have 5000. I had to stop >every hour to stretch my back for couple of minutes (did it most of the time >when I was filling gas). It was a great experience, I hated being stuck >behind trucks, the crosswind is just awfull. >Since it was my first long trip things I would better prepare myself for: >1- Changing weather. I froze to death coming down on the I87 in New-York >early in the morning. I was caught in a storm in Syracus/New-York. It was so >bad, it brought down power lines. I was under the rain being drenched to the >bones (storm was so bad that even cars stopped on the side of the road), I >started to shiver until a nice soul opened the door of his car and let me in >waiting for the storm to pass. >2- Good pair of Sun Glasses. I had the sun in my face on my way back. >3- Better scheduling. I was caught in traffic jams both in Baltimore and >Washington >4- A backrest for the long stretches. I had 2 backpacks, one that I attached >to the back of the bike and the other one that I carried on my back only >filled with clothes (so very soft) so that I could lean on the first >attached backpack. was OK but a backrest would be more comfortable. >5- Motorcycle Motor Oil - I lost almost half a quart on each way that I had >to replace with regular motor oil. >6- A security cable for those times I had to be away from my bike. >Was a great experience, met lot of interesting people. So good luck and >remember YOU might be driving safely but others might not, so please please >please be careful. > >Chris - KLR650 98 ANIMAL!!! Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Britton, John" Subject: (klr650) DUNLOPAD (DP) BRAKES Date: 15 Sep 1998 13:59:08 -0600 FYI, I recently ordered front and rear DP's for my '95 and was told (according to DP's catalog) that DP 310 (rear) and DP 322's fit my bike. The 310's are correct but make sure you order DP 313's for the front. DP did the research for me and found their own mistake after I called them. Good people! As far as I know, there have been no changes to the braking system on the KLR650 since'87. Correct? Thought this post might save some headaches. John Britton jb01044@po3.cobe.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 15 Sep 1998 14:08:30 -0700 >> p.s. Note the word "shear" is used here! ;) Note also the mention of >> common transmission and engine. No mention of wet clutch. Provokes a >> thought...The loads placed on transmission gears are not present in a car >> engine. In a car engine, there are no gears that receive a high load, cam >> and distributor are all I can think of. Perhaps the stresses placed on an >> oil by gear action is an important issue in oil design. (???) Who knows... >> My Isuzu Rodeo uses 5W-30 car oil in its manual tranny, and in its transfer case. Both of the tranny and the transfer case have straight cut gears, as well as meshed gears. Car oil does just fine, and is good for 30,000 miles. The breakdown in oils is caused from thermal breakdown, from combustion and superheated gasses. From this breakdown, the oil's lubricative ability is compromised and doesn't do as good a job on the gears. If you change your oil regularly and religiously, at the proper intervals which greatly depend upon the kind of riding that was done and the weather, then you will never have a problem using car oil in your motorcycle. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Footware Date: 15 Sep 1998 14:25:13 -0700 On the street, I wear my Corcoran Jump boots. Nice and comfy, and totally waterproof for the rain. Off-road, your right on, the "leg" boots do very well. I don't think that I'd wear the Matterhorns, since my feet sweat a lot, especially offroad. Have you ever tried to road march in those things? Its almost as bad as wearing the "mickey mouse" boots. In Ranger Bat, most of us had vibram soles put on our leg boots, for when it was too cold to wear jungle boots. Jeff -----Original Message----- Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com >As a former Desert Storm troop, I recommend the Matterhorns: Goretex, Vibram, and >thinsulate.Wore them for 5000 km in South America last year. Lotsa Alcan riders >seem to wear them. Not pretty at cocktail parties but you can ride and hike in >them, and still be nimble enough to run or kick those ankle biting critters . >Cost about US$125 at military clothing sales (need your ID card). > >FWIW > >r. kaub wrote: > >> Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. >> I wear issue combat boots of which I have several pairs which cost me nothing. >> They are the newer style with the monster lugs on the bottom. I've found >> them to be very comfortable and fairly waterproof if you keep them >> polished. All-in-all, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending a couple of >> hundred plus on boots that don't do all that much more. Comments? >> Bob Kaub >> State University of New York >> PO Box 6000 >> Binghamton, NY 13902 >> 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: (klr650) Re: more brake fluid Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:07:55 -0400 > How did you do your water absorbition tests? Is this something you can do > at home? Karl-Fisher moisture analysis. It's a standard laboratory instrument. Way too pricey for home use. > Once the master cylinder cover is installed I would think that the system > is sealed at least as well as the original container now opened but > resealed with teflon tape. Do you have any thoughts on why so much more > mositure gets into the bike's brake system than the storage container? Plastic and rubber are both permeable to water. The brake system has a lot of surface area per volume of brake fluid compared to a bottle of fluid. The bike is going to see higher temperatures and relative humidities during the summer than a container of brake fluid sitting in a garage. Both of these factors lead to increased water uptake. The rubber brake line is a major suspect. Rubber can be a good deal more permeable than the polyolefin reservoir. Teflon brake lines probably aren't much better. The thin rubber diaphram that seals the reservoir is another big culprit, no doubt. Thin with lots of surface area. That's just the opposite of what you need for a good moisture barrier. The brake seals in the caliper are probably only a minor source of moisture. The surface area is a small fraction of the total system. Metal parts are totally impermeable to water (unless the aluminum is made from an inferior porous casting). The teflon tape around the cap isn't a great moisture barrier. Compared with the cardboard liner still found in some caps, it's a lot better. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debra & Gary Rosema Subject: (klr650) Re: KLX Questions Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:34:39 -0500 I am glad to hear there are other "KLXer's" out there. My '93 has 12K and seems to run pretty good but I would not enter it in any show bike contests. It's a 90% woods machine and in that role, stays pretty dirty and provides me with a constant 330# management challenge. I would appreciate input from this esteemed KLX Group in 2 key areas: Question1. the book calls for chain slack of 55mm - 65mm. If my conversion math still works, this translates to 2.16" - 2.56" which seems like a lot - is this accurate or a misprint? Question 2 standard gearing is 43/15 or 2.866 for my C Model. I notice that the A Model's standard ratio is 49/14 or 3.5. Has anyone had any luck with this or other more "woodsy ratios"? Can the A Model Sproket & Chain set be used with the C Model? Gary Rosema Wisconsin KLXer klr650-digest wrote: > klr650-digest Tuesday, September 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 244 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:10:22 -0400 > From: "Darren Koepp" > Subject: RE: (klr650) Footware > > I have had great luck with my Red Wing steel tow work boots. Once they are > broken in they feel like moccasins. I have several USMC issue combat boots > left over but prefer my Red Wing's. > > Darren (happy feet!) > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Heaslet > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 8:45 AM > To: Tom Simpson; klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Footwear > > >>Let's discuss the best all around boots to wear. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:10:27 -0400 > From: "Darren Koepp" > Subject: RE: (klr650) Pirelli > > P.S. Avon Gripster -- $_______ US funds (best price seen) > > $65 > The Cycle Center > Culpeper VA > 540-825-5544 (David) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:57:15 -0400 > From: "Rick Clarke" > Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid? > > Some pretty good posts on brake fluid so far. For you punishment > gluttons, look at the Federal Motor Vehicle Standards, Standard #116, > Motor vehicle brake fluids. > > This standard is formed in conjunction with the SAE standards. It's > kind of a chicken and egg situation. The FMVSS are put together at the > same time as the SAE standard, with both parties looking over each > others shoulders. > > To get the FMVSS, go to the GPO Access page at- > > http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html > > Search for the citation 49CFR571.116 > Drag the fridge and coffee maker over to the PC and enjoy. > > Something else I have here at my fingertips are- > SAE1703 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid > SAE1705 Low Water Tolerant Brake Fluids > SAE1709 European Brake Fluid Technology > > Everything you wanted to know (almost) about the DOT 3, > 4, Super 4, 5, 5.1 and up fluids. There's even mention > of a silicon ester fluid (different from DOT5 silicone fluid) that is > compatible with DOT 3 and 4. Unfortunately the SAE papers aren't > available on the web (greedy bastards). Check them out at your local > university library this winter. > > Last winter I read over the papers and ran a few tests. I was curious > how fast brake fluid gets wet in an opened container. I also tested > how fast brake fluid got wet in a sealed (KLR) brake system. The > results were surprising. Guess what? Brake fluid gets wet pretty > fast. If you look at wet and dry boiling points of brake fluid, > you'll see that DOT 3 and 4 have a lot of overlap. So what's more > important than whether you use DOT 3 or DOT 4, is whether your fluid > is wet or dry. I tested a few vehicles and found that even after one > year, the brake fluid moisture content was quite high. High enough I > believe to greatly compromise the fluid boiling point. Bottom line? > Change your fluid regularly. Once a year isn't too often. And don't > do it on a hot rainy day. The fluid will remain much drier if you > open your brake system and transfer the fluid on a cool dry day. > > And what about open containers of fluid? I opened a few and then shut > them again. I then wrapped a few turns of teflon tape around the cap > to pseudoseal them. Every few months I reopened the containers and > tested them for moisture increase. Water levels increased about > 50-100ppm per month. Fluid in a brake system such as a KLR sucks up > water about ten times faster than that. _IF_ you reseal the can, > brake fluid will keep on the shelf for a good while. Why bother > though? Brake fluid is pretty cheap, even a good DOT 4 grade (I > prefer Castrol GT LMA DOT 4). One of the highest boiling point fluids > around is a big surprise- Ford heavy duty truck brake fluid. > > A while back I read through these publications and did some water > sorption testing. If y'all get really bored I can dig up the writeups > I did about it on another list and repost them here. > > - -Rick > > > > R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) > "What traffic?" > RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:47:39 -0600 > From: bruixot@rmi.net > Subject: Re: (klr650) Prospectus for dual sport ride in Patagonia > > With reference to the earlier message to the list about scheming for a late 1999 > dual-sport ride in Chilean Patagonia, there is now the start of a web page with > some planning notes and links to my fotos of the last trip to southern Chile. > > http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3451/index.html > > Those of you who contacted me directly for foto attachments have already seen > some of these. > > Dr Robert > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:08:52 +0000 > From: Alex Jomarron > Subject: (klr650) Re: WingRJ's questions > > WingRJ asks: > > >What do you think about riding your KLR in the dirt? > It's fun > > >Is this bike a Dual Purpose type bike? > No, it's AT LEAST a triple purpose > > >Do you ride it on the street mainly as a show bike, because of its styling? > Yes, and the fact that I don't own a trailer > > >Why do you ride it off road? > Because I can > > >I thank you for your time. > You are welcome > > ;-) > Alex Jomarron > Oak Park, IL > 88 BMW K75S > 98 KLR 650 <-----SHOW BIKE! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:14:28 +0000 > From: Alex Jomarron > Subject: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > Although I should have replaced the tire a while ago, my bike has 8900 miles on it, on the > STOCK rear tire. I couldn't even tell you the air pressure I ran. It's not bald, but I would avoid rain if > I had to ride it. > > Alex in Illinois > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:16:02 +0000 > From: Alex Jomarron > Subject: (klr650) Re: showbike > > I have actually had many comments on my bike. > I have found that a lot of people are interested in off road touring. Lord knows I talk it up every > chance I get!!!! > > Alex in IL > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:31:54 -0500 (CDT) > From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez > Subject: (klr650) Dual Star center stands > > Hey all, > I've decided to get a dual star centerstand. I called dual star today but > got an answering machine several times. Does anyone know their regular > business > hours? I'm also considering getting a used dual star stand if anyone is > considering parting with one in good condition. If so, respond directly > please. > > Thanks in advance, > Carlos > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 21:03:53 PDT > From: "Marick Payton" > Subject: (klr650) Bending aluminum > > Thanks to all of you who gave advice on my questions about bending > up aluminum strips to make a saddle bag frame. Don't know what the > heck the formulation is as there's no label on the bars and Ace Hdwe > doesn't know. But, sounds like to 6016T6 from its behavior on being > bent. I've decided to follow the simplest advice and switch to > steel strapping. Bends real nice. > > Marick > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 21:06:22 PDT > From: "Marick Payton" > Subject: (klr650) Bending aluminum > > Jake, > > I'd be pleased to have a description of your blinker mounting > method. I think I can hang my leather bags low enough to fit > under the lights, but maybe not. > > Thanks, > Marick > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:35:26 +1000 > From: Ted Palmer > Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Carbs (Was: Latest antics) > > Ted Palmer wrote: > [Mini CO% advice] > Whoops, I goofed. > For the confused, that was supposed to go to the international Mini > car mailing list (another hangout of mine, one reason why I end up > with about 120 emails per day). > > Mister_T > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:37:02 -0400 > From: Stuart Heaslet > Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > >Although I should have replaced the tire a while ago, my bike has 8900 > miles on it, on the > >STOCK rear tire. > > Alex - that's interesting, what stock tire are you running? Bob Kaub and I > had the exact same experience on our Dunlops, and I don't see how it could > have been possible to get even 4000-4500 out of mine. I kept air pressure > at 28 psi. > Stuart > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:30:58 PDT > From: "Juan Villarreal" > Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star center stands > > >From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez > >Subject: (klr650) Dual Star center stands > >Hey all, > >I've decided to get a dual star centerstand. I called dual star today > but > >got an answering machine several times. Does anyone know their regular > >business > >hours? I'm also considering getting a used dual star stand if anyone > is > >considering parting with one in good condition. If so, respond > directly > >please. > >Thanks in advance, > >Carlos > > Carlos, > The two most difficult things involved in getting a Dual Star > centerstand (other than paying the $175) are: > > 1. Getting a hold of someone (ever heard of a website, guys?). And... > 2. Getting Mike Walburn (the owner) off the phone if he happens to be > the one who answers. Very friendly person, that man... > > Another thing you should be made aware of is that it can take some > time to get your order filled. They may have gotten better since last > winter, but I think I had to wait about 6 weeks for my centerstand. > That having been said-- if you're wanting a centerstand, this is one > that's definitely worth paying (and waiting) for. If you've seen one > you'll know what I mean. > By the way, I noticed the "aviator" in your e-mail address. > Whaddaya fly? Just curious (I'm a navigator in the AF). Take it easy > and good luck. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:56:25 -0400 > From: "Raymond Ramlakan" > Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > I changed my 91's rear Stock Dunlop at 11200 miles but my bike has never = > been off-road. There was still a fair amount of rubber left so I replaced = > it with the same tire. The original front stock tire is still in good = > condition after 15K miles. > Ray > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 06:19:20 PDT > From: "Marick Payton" > Subject: (klr650) Reliability of KLX > > A further comment on the reliability of the KLX, a question asked a > couple of weeks ago: this from an owner with a lot of experience. > > Marick > > 19:02 Tue 04/21/98 From Keith Koningen : Re: Introductions > > In '94 I bought a new KLX650R and together with my boss at the Kawasaki > shop where I > used to work, we set out to turn these big, heavy machines into > something better. Along the > way a steady list of modifications to suspension, exhaust and > carburation have made a big difference. > This year a 41mm Keihin FCR carb for Larry Roselor at Stroker was put > on, along with > more suspension tuning. > > Was it worthwhile? This has been the cheapest bike I've ever run for > repairs and for parts breaking. > It's stood up very well to tremendous abuse. > > Keith > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:51:44 -0400 > From: "J. Taylor" > Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain gear shortcomings > > Dean, > > I had similar problems w/ South Florida rain squalls and found my > solution in Gore-Tex overmits by Outdoor Research. They were approx > $15-20 thru R.E.I. and w/ a quick seam seal treatment, I have stayed > bone dry for nearly three years. My leather gloves fit well underneath > and the gauntlets are super long and cinch tight. > > Jake > > Dean Harrison wrote: > > > > I just got back from doing 3000 miles into Colorado and wanted to point out > > a shortcoming of my rain gear. Obviously in Seattle rain gear has a higher > > level of priority than most places. Anyway, I was pretty well prepared with > > new Hein Gerick Rainman gear and my boots were treated and stayed pretty > > dry. One thing I failed to provide for was protection of my gloves. It > > doesn't matter how good your gloves are crash protection wise if you're > > freezing in the wet, you're done for the day. Weather in the 50's and 70 > > mph will chill you real fast. I checked all the hardware stores I could > > find along the way with no luck, especially when you have large hands like > > myself. > > > > Anyway, I'm going to order the El Cheapo yellow rubber gloves from Rider > > Warehouse for around $5. It's the only place that I can find with anything > > that will likely fit. I may give their thumb squeegee a shot also for $7. I > > don't want it for the rain but I hit some heavy fog also and the mist was > > much worse than rain on visibility. Well, that's my $.02. If somebody has > > any other suggestions for glove rain protection, please let me know. > > Thanks. > > > > Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:31 -0400 > From: Mike Ratta > Subject: RE: (klr650) Reliability of KLX > > I also have a KLX. The thing is super-reliable both in the dirt and on the > highway. The only bad things I've seen so far are the lack of damping > adjustment on the rear shock of the KLX650C model (If any of you have a > stock KLX650A unit for sale, or know of a good aftermarket unit, please let > me know) ,the steel swingarm and lack of kickstarter like the KLR600's. I've > also given some thought to changing the CV carb to a FCR, but I've heard > that even strokers suggested jetting was way off. Any comments on the carb > mod? > > > A further comment on the reliability of the KLX, a question asked a > > couple of weeks ago: this from an owner with a lot of experience. > > > > Marick > > > > 19:02 Tue 04/21/98 From Keith Koningen : Re: > > Introductions > > > > In '94 I bought a new KLX650R and together with my boss at the Kawasaki > > shop where I > > used to work, we set out to turn these big, heavy machines into > > something better. Along the > > way a steady list of modifications to suspension, exhaust and > > carburation have made a big difference. > > This year a 41mm Keihin FCR carb for Larry Roselor at Stroker was put > > on, along with > > more suspension tuning. > > > > Was it worthwhile? This has been the cheapest bike I've ever run for > > repairs and for parts breaking. > > It's stood up very well to tremendous abuse. > > > > Keith > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:02:52 -0400 > From: James Naus > Subject: RE: (klr650) Reliability of KLX > > I'll have to agree. I have 12,000 on mine and not one problem. One > exhaust valve had to be adjusted around 8K and I am still using the > original chain and sprockets. The stock shock may not have damping but > as far as stock units go it is fairly good and the front end is very > good. I have not done any mods except shimming the needle up a little. > I feel this bike runs very strong and I am not going to do any > engine/exhaust mods until it falls off and has to be replaced. > > James > Tallahassee, FL > '95 KLX650C > > > I also have a KLX. The thing is super-reliable both in the dirt and on > > the > > highway. The only bad things I've seen so far are the lack of damping > > adjustment on the rear shock of the KLX650C model (If any of you have > > a > > stock KLX650A unit for sale, or know of a good aftermarket unit, > > please let > > me know) ,the steel swingarm and lack of kickstarter like the > > KLR600's. I've > > also given some thought to changing the CV carb to a FCR, but I've > > heard > > that even strokers suggested jetting was way off. Any comments on the > > carb > > mod? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:16:29 -0400 > From: James Naus > Subject: RE: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > 11,200 miles WOW! Do you ride very conservatively? I guess riding off > road must really take life off your tires. I put on my 3rd rear at > about 10K but when I ride off road I really ride the rear hard, locking > it up braking and spinning around corners. Most of my off-road is in > sand and I never really thought it would wear the tire much. What do > other think. I don't know about you but here in Florida when you remove > a rear tire it will stand up because it get squared off so much due to > lack for good twisties. > > James > Tallahassee, FL > '95 KLX650C > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Raymond Ramlakan [SMTP:RRamlakan@gensemi.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:56 AM > > To: stuart@heaslet.com; alex319@IDT.NET; klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Stock Dunlop tire mileage > > > > I changed my 91's rear Stock Dunlop at 11200 miles but my bike has > > never been off-road. There was still a fair amount of rubber left so I > > replaced it with the same tire. The original front stock tire is still > > in good condition after 15K miles. > > Ray > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of klr650-digest V1 #244 > **************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star center stands Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Hey guys, The guy from dual star (Mike Walburn) called me back after I left a message today. He said they just started a production run for the centerstands not too long ago and that I would probably get mine in about two weeks. While I'm not necessarily holding my breath on the two weeks, now would probably be a good time for those considering getting one to do so, as Mike said that it would be their last run for the season. I'll let the list know when mine arrives, just in case someone is interested. Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) RE: KLX questions Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:23:52 -0600 Debra & Gary Rosema write I would appreciate input from this esteemed KLX Group in 2 key areas: Question1. the book calls for chain slack of 55mm - 65mm. If my conversion math still works, this translates to 2.16" - 2.56" which seems like a lot - is this accurate or a misprint? You have to remember that you have close to 12" of travel ... Just like a dirt bike. I would accept those number. Question 2 standard gearing is 43/15 or 2.866 for my C Model. I notice that the A Model's standard ratio is 49/14 or 3.5. Has anyone had any luck with this or other more "woodsy ratios"? Can the A Model Sproket & Chain set be used with the C Model? I have thought of changing my gearing as well. My dream is to lower first and raise 5th. Since I ride the bike on the interstate, I felt that lowering the gear ratio would put me at risk trying to maintain 75 MPH on the interstate in the west. So I have kept it the same. Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy '95 KLX250/321 - Just call me yellow britches '95 K1100RS - Mileage monster '92 TDM850 - Dual Sport of course ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Ranney Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:42:29 -0600 amen... Jeffrey L. Walker wrote: > >> p.s. Note the word "shear" is used here! ;) Note also the mention of > >> common transmission and engine. No mention of wet clutch. Provokes a > >> thought...The loads placed on transmission gears are not present in a car > >> engine. In a car engine, there are no gears that receive a high load, > cam > >> and distributor are all I can think of. Perhaps the stresses placed on > an > >> oil by gear action is an important issue in oil design. (???) Who > knows... > >> > > My Isuzu Rodeo uses 5W-30 car oil in its manual tranny, and in its transfer > case. Both of the tranny and the transfer case have straight cut gears, as > well as meshed gears. Car oil does just fine, and is good for 30,000 miles. > The breakdown in oils is caused from thermal breakdown, from combustion and > superheated gasses. From this breakdown, the oil's lubricative ability is > compromised and doesn't do as good a job on the gears. > > If you change your oil regularly and religiously, at the proper intervals > which greatly depend upon the kind of riding that was done and the weather, > then you will never have a problem using car oil in your motorcycle. > > Jeff -- Bob Ranney Denver, CO '96 R11GS beeg dog '76 R60/6 putt putt (its gone but not forgotten...sniff, sniff) '95 ZX6-R yee haa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) D'oh!! Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Somebody replied and included the whole digest #244....Gary? == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLX vs KLR Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:07:00 -0500 I found a nice 90-something KLX for sale here. How does the KLX compare to the KLR for: 1. Long highways 2. Twisties and traffic 3. Dirt/gavel roads 4. Off-road 5. After market stuff, like seat, windshield, etc. Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:09:45 -0700 Jeff The oil in your transfer case and transmission are not subject to the heat generated by combustion nor are they subjected to the chemical cross-contamination of combustion gasses in the crankcase. I once had a Standard Oil Co. chemist tell me that if you had the perfect oil filter on your motor and could theoretically remove all particulate matter that you would have to still change your oil frequently because when you burn complex hydrocarbons in the presence of oxygen you encounter a buildup of h2s04 in the oil (sulfuric acid) and over time the ph change would start to etch the innards. Then again this could be part of a larger conspiracy to sell more oil. Morgan Ps........Since your first post on this list I have been pondering how one actually rides a motor cycle out of an aircraft. I presumed this was an airplane and perhaps a low level delivery out the rear of a C-130. I shared your post with some of the motorheads I work with (one of which did 3 tours in Nam, KeSahn for TET) . It has been the topic of some debate. My guess was a parachute extraction, facing forward, motor running, in gear, clutch in, revving up to match ground speed, then dump clutch on touch down. Could you elaborate please, frankly I'm fascinated. I've known a few Grn. Berets, Rangers, Recon, Seals and even a couple of CIA spooks over the years. You guys do some shit that hairs me out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) MAP rotor, anyone try the Braking rotor? Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:52:56 -0000 Fred's got a Braking rotor for the KLR for ~$250. Anyone here have it, any comments? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:37:15 -0600 >Thank you for contacting Mobil. > >For Mobil 1 MX4T and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50, you get the following >benefits: > >- Mobil's full synthetic base fluid technology provides maximum shear TOTAL HOGWASH, even Shell Oil admitted the the questionable use of this ability and basically stated that it was a non-factor. >stability, resisting viscosity breakdown in high performance engines and >transmissions where bikes use a common lubrication system for the engine >and transmission. > >- You get exceptional high temperature oil stability, with less >oxidation and thermal degradation This is true with all synthetics, not just motorcycle >- The combination of synthetic base fluid and proprietary additive >packages provide exceptional wear protection. So they say. >- The lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils help maintain >maximum horse power and acceleration throughout the life of your engine > >But to put it more simply - if you want to ride your bike long and hard >and not be concerned about the oil - choose Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils > >If you would like to receive literature on Mobil 1 ( all specs ) and >comparative information please call 1-800-ASKMOBIL. > >If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tiktalk@seanet.com Subject: (klr650) tires Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:52:19 -0700 Well, I am going to ask the tire question.... I currently have Pirelli MT40's and they are worn out. I want the best street and dirt/gravel road tire I can get I don't plan on deep mud, big rocks or other really nasty surfaces. It needs to be good in the rain!!!!, and should last at least 3.5-5k or more I am currently looking at the Avon Gripster AM24 combo, which in general seems to get a lot of praise in the list what about the AM33/34 combo is this an acceptable KLR tire? does anyone have any experience with it? How about the Pirelli MT60, which is reportedly a 90/10 on/off road combo or MT70, which is reportedly a 50/50 How about the Metzlers Sahara3 (50/50) or Enduro 4 (95/5) Any advice would be apreciated as the bike shops, around here don't seem to know much about dual purpose bikes.... Mike in Everett Washington '89 KLR (getting ready for the wet season) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) tires Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:37:12 PDT Mike wrote: >I want the best street and dirt/gravel road tire I can get. I don't plan >on deep mud, big rocks or other really nasty surfaces. >It needs to be good in the rain!!!!, and should last at least 3.5-5k or >more. >Mike in Everett Washington '89 KLR >(getting ready for the wet season) Mike, The above lines describing the types of riding you're planning to do could have been written by me. I recommend you take a look at the IRC GP-110s. I've found them to be outstanding in all those capacities. Wet pavement traction seems to be their real strong point (possibly a factor in Washington state?). I'm just negotiated the rainy season here in Panama none worse for the wear. I bought mine out of the Chaparral catalog (1-800-841-2960). Good luck and let us know what you decide. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: (klr650) jet sizes / drill sizes? Date: 16 Sep 1998 07:30:47 -0400 I know this has been posted here before and I know that drilling jets isnt a good idea, but I've spent a good part of the season trying to get a #45 pilot jet for my KLX with no luck.Can anyone suggest the proper drill bit size so I can get a spare #40 drilled out? Thanks :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Lowering Date: 16 Sep 1998 08:09:28 I finished lowering the bike last night with the installation of the shortened side stand. Between the lowering links and dropping the forks 1.5 inches, I can now put my feet flat on the ground when sitting on the bike. Haven't had a chance to test ride because it's raining. I must admit to being a little concerned about replacing the forged steel factory links with plain old 6061 (I hope T6) aluminum lowering links from Quality Engine. The guy there said they were strong enough but no aluminum is as strong as forged steel. Has anybody out there had any trouble with the lowering links failing in service? The chain seems to be about right when I check it using the "lay over the seat and pull up the swing arm all the way" method. I shortened the side stand myself by cutting a two inch section out and replacing the removed piece with a machined steel insert held in place with two 1/4" roll pins. The insert outside diameter is sized to be a "tap-in" fit and the length designed to yield a 1.5 inch shorter side stand when everything is reassembled. This insert can be removed and a longer one inserted to return the side stand to its original length if necessary. I repainted the stand flat black. It works great. Can't wait to go for a test ride. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: RE: (klr650) long highway trips? Date: 16 Sep 1998 08:51:24 -0600 At 10:08 -0600 15/9/98, Christian Kindarji wrote: >> >> I'd like to hear from the gang who has ridden long highway distance on >> the KLR, and just how many miles. >> > >Saturday 12th of September, left Tampa 5:00AM - Arrive in Montreal (Quebec >Canada) on the 14th 7:00PM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 4 hours. >Friday 18th of September, left Montreal 5:30AM (froze to death) - Arrive in >Tampa on the 19th 9:00OM - 1550 Miles Stopped in Virginia for 9 Hours. Well done! That's about the same distance as from where I live to Moab, where the KLR rally was last spring. I didn't go because I was too much of a wimp to try it in three days, let alone two. You should consider getting an electric vest if you're having problems with the cold. It makes a world of difference on long rides in cold weather. Tom Clay Winnipeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) KLX vs KLR Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:49:19 -0400 I have little experience on a KLR so I will just answer the KLX side. 1. Long Highways: Fair. Seat is very narrow, I have a seat pad I put on for long highway trips. Small gas tank, you only get about 115 miles before you have to start looking for gas. The motor will run fine at 80mph all day, but I keep it at about 75 because of the wind. 2. Twisties and traffic: the KLX is excellent. 3. Dirt/gravel road: This is what the bike is made for, excellent. 4. Off-road: Works well but don't catch more that a foot or two of air. 5. After market stuff: Not as much as the KLR but what ever you need you can find or improvise. They do have an after market tank and you can get the seat redone by Travelcade. The used price is normally the same or lower that the KLR even though it retailed for about $1000 more. > I found a nice 90-something KLX for sale here. > How does the KLX compare to the KLR for: > 1. Long highways > 2. Twisties and traffic > 3. Dirt/gavel roads > 4. Off-road > 5. After market stuff, like seat, windshield, etc. > > Robert > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PMDean650@aol.com Subject: (klr650) SS2000 Ride Report Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:25:36 EDT The Summary; The route was a total of 2300 miles starting from the Minneapolis area, going to Denver CO, and returning to Minneapolis. The bike was a KLR650 which has a Corbin seat, Rifle windscreen, Scottoiler, Givi bags, and a throttle lock. The rider is now convinced that multi-day rides are for the truly insane. The Details; I viewed my SS2000 as a great training opportunity for the upcoming Butt Lite 5000. Fay Myers Motorcycle World, one of the announced checkpoints for the Butt Lite, is in Denver and I could experiment with two possible routes to get there from the Minneapolis area. In one direction I would see what it was like to have a short layover in a real motel and in the other I would stay at the Iron Butt motel. I could also attempt a pace and distance (2300 miles in 48 hours) that would simulate what is needed for a 50cc, another ride I want to do someday. But most importantly I wanted to convince myself, and my wife, that I wasn't crazy for entering the Butt Lite, that a multi-day event was not an insane goal. I packed my bike as I will for the Butt Lite; camping gear (minus the tent) in one saddle bag, extra clothes and bathroom kit in the other, emergency supplies and rain gear in the rear topcase, energy bars and water in one tank pannier, tools and extra oil in the other. My maps and ride documentation were in a dispatch bag slung over my shoulder. I've also got a small storage pocket velcroed to my tank. There I kept a small flashlight, sunscreen, and a brand new screaming meanie. Buying the screaming meanie was a big step for me. When I started these long distance rides last year I told myself if I reached a point I needed a screaming meanie I had gone too far, reasoning that if I needed something that loud to wake up I shouldn't get up. It's an evil, demented device only used by insane people, but I brought one along anyway. I like to sleep. I sleep in whenever the opportunity presents itself so I can't understand it when people talk about starting these rides at 2 or 3 in the morning. Me? I was up promptly at 10 and got underway about noon-ish on Friday. My plan for the first leg was 1200 freeway miles with a 3 hour layover at a motel. Except for a couple of minor glitches things went exactly as planned. The first glitch was a problem with the bike. The engine faltered and stuttered at 300 miles. This same symptom reoccurred on the second leg, 1200 miles later. Each time the problem went away after I pulled over to investigate. I now suspect there is some debris in my carburetor that blocks a jet from time to time and then falls clear at idle. The second glitch was a gas pump timestamp in Buffalo Wyoming that didn't have the location printed on it. The station itself was closed as were all of the stores in the immediate area. I didn't want to waste time looking further and picked up a complete timestamp in the next town south of Buffalo. Still, Buffalo was my corner, and I'm counting on my credit card billing statement to prove I was there. My credit card never failed me on this trip, even though I made many small purchases in 5 different states within 48 hours. I had a spare with me because I really did expect alarms to go off at the billing center. They called my house during one of my earlier rides. No one called this time though. My trip through Wyoming was in the dark and in the rain. The plan called for a 3 hour layover and I was happy to find a motel in Casper. It took 15 minutes to get checked in and unloaded. My saddlebag had leaked during the ride so I hung a few clothes up to dry. Next time I'll use plastic bags when I pack. With dread I set the screaming meanie for 2 hours and 20 minutes. The rest of the time would be used for a shower and packing up to go. My mind was buzzing, reviewing activities of the day and requirements for the next, but sleep didn't take long. Way too soon I was awake again, but there was no screaming alarm. My dread for the device had been enough to wake me itself. There were still 18 minutes on the clock. I shuddered thinking to myself that this was not something a person in their right mind would do, then got out of a perfectly warm and comfortable bed to face the day after just 2 hours of sleep. In Denver I had problems with timestamps again. My receipt had the location and date but no time. I needed more Gatorade however, so I bought a couple of quarts with my credit card. This receipt had a time but it was 20 minutes ahead of the local time. No real problem though. I had arrived early and the timestamp was still 7 minutes before my deadline. The next step was a witness form. I wanted to use one form to document the end of the first 1000 and the start of the second and the form was to be filled out at the Butt Lite checkpoint, Fay Myers, which turned out to be a huge complex. The biggest dealer I have ever seen. I had my pick of about 20 employees to act as witnesses and found a couple of willing people in the service department. First leg done, new clock started! I had emailed Don Moses earlier to get specific instructions on how to document the end of one ride and the start of the next. He indicated that if one form was used then the start of the second 1000 would be the time on the witness form or, if the witness form was signed after the 24 hour mark of the first ride, time would start at the 24 hour mark. My witness form was signed 5 minutes after the 24 hour mark of the first leg, so I was now 5 minutes into the second 24 hours. Clear? The plan for my return leg was to take I-76 out of Denver, then take secondary roads up to highway 20 in Nebraska, follow 20 into Iowa, and take more secondary roads into Minneapolis; 100 miles of freeway and 1000 miles of secondary roads. It looked good on paper anyway. By the time I was 60 miles out of Denver the day was heating up to a real scorcher and I was beginning to feel very tired. I stopped to have a hamburger and a large coke and review my plans. This is where I got a first hand lesson on how fatigue and heat can screw up your mind. Looking at the map I couldn't believe I had planned such a tedious ride home. I was in no shape for little roads and little towns. My average speed would be dragged way down and I would never make it home. It's better to just stay on I-76 until it connects with I-80 and take that into Iowa. By this time I was done with my hamburger and mulled over my new plan as I downed the coke. The icy drink cooled me off quickly. I was soon feeling much better. Then, like I was another person, I argued myself back to the original plan. Another day on the freeway? I hate freeways! Secondary roads are where the fun is. You plotted that route specifically to see what kind of time you could make in the Nebraska countryside. What are you going to learn by staying on the freeway? I turned off I-76 after 30 more miles and followed secondary roads into Nebraska. I love to ride on small roads, the smaller the better, and in Nebraska there are very few small towns to interrupt the fun. Now I don't mean to imply here that I was whacking across Nebraska. My bike only has 30 horsepower and I place a personal limit of 80 on ALL of my rides, even the BBG. But 80 on a small road feels like whacking. :) :) As fun as it was I did have to admit by nightfall that I was too tired to stay on highway 20. I had learned what I wanted to know and now I just wanted to get home safely. Without consulting a map I got a timestamp to document the corner and headed north on 83. I knew 83 intersected with I-90 and from I-90 I was pretty sure I could find my way home in my sleep. By the time I got to I-90 I was ready for sleep and stopped at the first rest area to sample the Iron Butt motel. I found myself a luxury suite, a cement picnic table with a roof. It was actually pretty comfortable with my air mattress. Yeah, a covered table and an air mattress. I am a wuss aren't I? I set the screaming meanie for a full three hours and prepared for some sound sleep. It never came. Noises resonated off the cement enclosure, and then there were the uninvited; the mosquitoes. I hate mosquitoes! Again I got up before the meanie went off. I suppose I had about an hours worth of sleep, not much more. Back on I-90 I wasn't feeling very refreshed and decided what I really needed was a proper meal. In the past 36 hours my diet had consisted of two hamburgers and cokes, two energy bars, and four quarts of Gatorade. At my next gas stop I had another problem with the receipt, no location again, but I knew I would get a second receipt at the restaurant so I didn't sweat it. The meal of eggs, toast, hash browns and coffee really hit the spot and saw me the rest of the way through South Dakota. 100 miles into Minnesota I hit the wall. There were 60 miles to go until my next gas stop and they seemed endless. I screamed, stretched, changed positions, stood on the pegs, did everything I could think of to keep my mind from going idle, because when it did go idle my eyes began to droop. Finally the 60 miles were covered. I had made it to Albert Lea. There were 880 miles on my trip meter for the second 1000. I was 90 miles from my prearranged finish point and I had six hours left to finish the ride. Six hours was plenty of time, even if I still wanted to go for my original goal of 1100 miles, but I had to get some rest first. I tried, but after the first buzz of a mosquito I thought "Why not just get this ride over with?" and had a cup of coffee instead. As the sun was coming up I sat on my bike preparing to go. The idea that this was not something a person in their right mind would be doing ran through my head again, and I grinned. Thirty years ago I rode with a bunch of crazy assholes. They shredded tires and scraped metal on every ride. I would catch up to them as they were patting themselves on the back and asking each other "Are you completely crazy?!" But their brand of crazy wasn't for me. I preferred something a little more subtle, like riding a moderately powered motorcycle at moderate speeds in a safe and sane manner, and then carrying it to insane limits! So then I proceeded to commit the most blatant act of insanity of my entire trip; I put my bike in gear and started north on I-35. I was in no shape to ride any distance but there wasn't that far to go. I needed to add some extra miles to my route though, because of my return to the freeway in South Dakota. For a while I thought I might branch to the west side of Minneapolis on roads that would pass within 5 miles of my house. I could get some real sleep in my own bed. But I had heard that some people never wake up after such a move and decided to stay on I-35. The limit of my endurance was now 40 miles. I pulled in at every rest stop to swing my arms and legs around and have a drink of water. Minneapolis traffic provided me with a couple shots of adrenaline that kept me going to the north side of the city. I was north of my finish point now. 25 miles farther and I would have 1000 miles. I decided to go for 1100. The miles started to come easier as the weather was cool and overcast north of the city. As I passed the 1000 mile mark I found new energy and managed a 75 mile stretch. Hinkley Minnesota was my turn around point. I got my timestamp and headed back to the finish point. After one more intermediate stop I was in Minneapolis again. Traffic on the north side of the city was mercifully light. I hadn't practiced a southbound approach to the final gas stop and nearly missed the exit, cutting across two empty lanes right before the turn. One traffic light, a quick turn around a median, and I was parked at the pumps. Within two minutes I had my final timestamp. I had arrived an hour ahead of schedule and my prearranged witness was nowhere to be seen. After a short while I gave him a call and sat down next to my bike. I was very tired and glad I didn't have to explain myself to a dubious police officer. It felt good to close my eyes and let my mind drift. I would surface now and then, opening my eyes to check my surroundings. Finally I opened my eyes and there he was, just finishing at the gas pump, standing over an old boxer twin. It was the Lord High Executioner himself, the Reverend Adam Wolkoff! I walked over to meet him and sheepishly held out my hand. Then with a heavenly chord of music from above, or was it the ringing in my ears, my ride was over. Epilog; The ride was all I expected and more. I discovered that multi-day rides are indeed an insane goal, and that I like it that way (but we won't be telling my wife about that :) ). I also discovered more about my personal limits, that a 50cc is possible and that I will have to pace myself much slower for the Butt Lite. I'm thinking maybe four hours of sleep per night. After all, I'm not *completely* crazy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: snsi@win.bright.net Subject: Re: (klr650) SS2000 Ride Report Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:26:16 +0000 Howdy All, Peter GREAT JOB. And you didn't need the KLR secondary reserve. keep us updated on your Butt Lite preps and good luck. Jeff Smith Barnes, WI '71 A-HD Sprint 350; '97 Kawasaki KLR650 (King o'La Road) "Beware the dirt bike ... Ground shaking dirt bike" TMBG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) Honda Africa-Twin comes out later than thought Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:45:38 -0600 According to the source that told me that the Africa-Twin was coming to America, the Twin will most likely debut as a year 2000 model. Just thought I would pass that along. Sorry to disappoint anybody. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) African Twin to America? Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:03:21 -0500 I'll believe that when I see it. Although if they do that would be nice considering the reputation in Europe. Honda will have to price it right because if it's too high it will fall into the redone Triumph Tiger. And the skeptics will remember the beloved Transalp. Which is a great bike. If they do bring it here, price it right, and the graphics are right, sign me up. We could use a machine like that. Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:27:03 -0400 > >- Mobil's full synthetic base fluid technology provides maximum shear > TOTAL HOGWASH, even Shell Oil admitted the the questionable use of this > ability and basically stated that it was a non-factor. > > >stability, resisting viscosity breakdown in high performance engines and > >transmissions where bikes use a common lubrication system for the engine > >and transmission. Not sure what you mean there. Quick review of synthetic vs. conventional motor oil- Conventional mineral based motor oil is originally a single viscosity in it's base stock form. It's 5W or 10W or 30W or 40 or 50W. A 5W oil acts like a 5W at low temperatures (thin) and a 5W at high temperatures (very thin). A30W oil acts like a 30W at low temperatures (thick) and a 30W at high temperatures (moderate viscosity). What is preferred is an oil that acts like a higher viscosity oil at low temperatures and a lower viscosity oil at higher temperatures. To accomplish this, a low viscosity base stock is blended with _viscosity extenders_. To produce a 5W-30 multi-viscosity oil, a 5W base stock is used and a bunch of viscosity extender is added. Viscosity extenders are low molecular weight linear polymers. At low temperature these polymers coil up (spherical conformation) and have little effect on the base stock viscosity. At high temperatures the viscosity extender molecules uncoil (a more loose conformation) due to increased solubility in the oil. This uncoiling increases the viscosity of the extender and likewise the oil. The longer a polymer chain is, the less shear stable it is. Tie a two foot long 1/8" dia. rope to the back of your car and drive around all day. It will probably be 2 ft long at the end of the day. Now take a 200ft rope and try the same thing. The rope is going to get snagged and entangled and broken into smaller pieces. That too is what supposedly happens to viscosity extenders under shear. They get broken down into smaller molecular weight fragments that no longer give an oil multi-viscosity properties. The oil reverts towards it's original single viscosity base. The 5W-30 becomes more like it's original 5W base. It has become shear-thinned. Synthetic oil base stock already has multi-viscosity properties. It acts like a low weight conventional oil at low temperature and acts like a high weight oil at higher temperature. No extenders are added to attain a multi-grade finished oil. There are no long chain polymers added that are shear sensitive and break down during use. The final synthetic oil formulation is more shear-stable as a result. This is why synthetic oils maintain better viscosity retention that conventional oils (or so I've read). There are other factors like oxidation, etc. The breakdown of the extenders in conventional oil reduces the high temperature viscosity of that oil over time. Since synthetic oil has none of these vulnerable extenders, it loses viscosity more slowly under the same conditions. On to bike vs. cage. I called Mobil and asked if their motorcycle oil was formulated differently than their cage oil. They wouldn't tell me. I was asking about zinc and phosphorus content in particular since these are high pressure additives that are considered good for bikes and bad for car exhaust catalysts. These are the additives that have been disappearing slowly from car oil as the formulations continue to be improved. The Mobil rep refused to answer my questions, because of the proprietary nature of the formulation. He told me to put my requests in writing and show via letterhead that I'm not working for a competitor, and they'd consider an answer. I haven't bothered to go that far. I looked into buying some of the zinc additive so I could put it into the oil myself (very little is needed). The only source I could find was some place in England. Being in the US, I haven't pursued that further. Oil works real well right out of the bottle, and I'm a bit leary of snake oil. Adding zinc at home borders in my mind with fixing something that ain't broke. If any of you talk to a Mobil rep, be sure and ask them about the high pressure additives. Try to find out if that part of the oil has been changed compared with the cage oil. Maybe you'll have better luck than I did getting an answer. I also recommend you read the oil faq if you haven't already done so. It's getting old, but it still has lots of relevant information- http://vger.rutgers.edu/~ravi/bike/pages/pages/pages/docs/oil.html -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryce Hysjulien" Subject: (klr650) Cleaning of K&P filter Date: 16 Sep 1998 18:44:52 -0500 What is the preferred method for cleaning the K&P filter? Thanks in advance. Bryce 98 KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) Honda Africa-Twin comes out later than thought Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:14:49 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 3:17 PM I need something that is better than the KLR for travel on road. I also don't have a budget for a Triumph Tiger or a BMW GS (I'm a young poor college student). They do offer the KTM Adventure which is a 620 but I n= eed a little more power. I would love to find a nice used Ducati Elephante. Well before I say I want an Africa-Twin I would just like to see one in person, pictures can only tell you so much. Later Josh '92 KLR650 We here in Chile import some Africa Twins from Europe and I can tell you that it is a great bike but, nothing comparable to the lightest and easy = to drive off-road of a KLR. I had a Yamaha Super Tenere 750 another model th= at you do not have in the US, and I changed the Yamaha for the KLR for the s= ame reasons explained above. For long travels the bikes are fantastic, the engines have closer to 70 hp so you can drive as fast as you can but a hi= gh revs. The KLR for me is an XR400 that allows you to travel long distance= s as well enjoy off-road riding. Regards Juan Cortes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cleaning of K&P filter Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:20:00 -0600 -----Original Message----- >What is the preferred method for cleaning the K&P filter? Thanks in >advance. > >Bryce >98 KLR > I would say that the "prefered method" would be to use clean stodard solvent and rinse till all contaminants were out of the filter. You can use about any kind of cleaner and even dish soap and water. Use low air pressure from the inside to help remove anything else. Fred Hink (who just got in some Grunge Brushes and ScottOilers) Its a viscous cycle! Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) A place to stay Date: 16 Sep 1998 18:57:24 PDT Joe Volker wrote: Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr650) tires Date: 16 Sep 1998 20:04:38 -0600 >Well, I am going to ask the tire question.... I currently have Pirelli >MT40's and they are worn out. > >I want the best street and dirt/gravel road tire I can get I don't plan >on deep mud, big rocks or other really nasty surfaces. > >It needs to be good in the rain!!!!, and should last at least 3.5-5k or >more > >I am currently looking at the >Avon Gripster AM24 combo, which in general seems to get a lot of praise >in the list > Mike, Per advice from the infamous members of this List (how can you trust anybody that rides a KLR ?) I have about 600 miles on a new set of Gripsters (AM24) and am very happy so far. I have been on quite a bit of gravel and rock road (150 miles of it enroute to Idaho) a little mud and dirt forest service road and much pavement. They have so far pleased me and I was impressed by the asphalt traction in the lean (knees almost touching) . I shied away from the AM33/34`s because they looked a little to street oriented for me and would ruin my wild and rough reputation. I think they are an excellent value for the money and overall appear to be a very serviceable tire. We`ll see as I rack up more miles. Skip ( who seems to rack up more than miles on this tall bike) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Lowering Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:34:46 EDT In a message dated 98-09-16 08:18:13 EDT, rkaub@binghamton.edu writes: << The guy there said they were strong enough but no aluminum is as strong as forged steel. Has anybody out there had any trouble with the lowering links failing in service? >> If those links fail, your problems are just beginning. I have run the aluminum links through Moab off road rides, hopping off curbs, hopping onto curbs, and put them through about 6K miles of service. They remain perfect. I wish more parts on the KLR were made as well as the Quality R&D links. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Fwd: gearing options Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:40:20 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906000020_boundary Content-ID: <0_906000020@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_906000020_boundary Content-ID: <0_906000020@inet_out.mail.execpc.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay07.mx.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by air05.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:14:59 -0400 Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by relay07.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA26664 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execpc.com (maires-126.mdm.wks.execpc.com [169.207.100.254]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id SAA24710 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3600466F.F1BFF9E1@execpc.com> Reply-To: drosema@execpc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-EXECPC-404 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Been watching and posting to the list regarding more "woodsy" gearing options for my '93 KLX650 with no luck. The "A" model comes standard with a 3.5 ratio while my "C" model is like 2.86 or so. Know anybody with experience in dropping down? Any suppliers have a solution? I don't know if it's best to go all theway to 3.5 or stop somewhere between. Gary Rosema, Wisconsin KLX 95% woods --part0_906000020_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: Re: (klr650) African Twin to America? Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:26:43 -0500 At 05:03 PM 9/16/98 -0500, Jim Sprecker wrote: >I'll believe that when I see it. Although if they do that would be nice >considering the reputation in Europe. Honda will have to price it right >because if it's too high it will fall into the redone Triumph Tiger. And the >skeptics will remember the beloved Transalp. Which is a great bike. >If they do bring it here, price it right, and the graphics are right, sign >me up. We could use a machine like that. >Jim >----------------------------------------------- >> jsprecker@uswest.net < >----------------------------------------------- > > > > > Yep I agree sign me up also.. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) can't remember kansas guy from rally Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:52:19 -0600 Hi I was fortunate to ride with a guy from Kansas at the Trumper Rally in NM. I can't remember his name. We attempted to ride up to Goose lake but had a few, shall I say rocky incidents (can't believe his KLR lived though it with no injuries). Well if you're on the list write me back. How was the trip home? Later Josh '92KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) Klr650 Questions. Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:35:28 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE1FC.FA361B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How powerfull is the KLR? Powerful! Feels real good at 70 with plenty left for passing. Lots of torque off road. Is it any good for taking a passenger? You certainly know someone is back there, handling and all. My wife has several 200 mile days under her belt as a passenger. A stop here and there is all she needs to stretch. We have even explored many trails off road two up. We just take it easy. Of all the accessories that I have seen on the net, I have not seen a backrest. Is one available? I have heard of this accessory. Not interested though personally. I am from a small town, Me too. That is what is so great about this list. Hope this helps!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE1FC.FA361B20-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: Re: (klr650) tires Date: 17 Sep 1998 07:10:58 -0500 (CDT) > How about the Pirelli MT60, which is reportedly a 90/10 on/off road > combo > or MT70, which is reportedly a 50/50 I've got MT70's on both ends. I've got about 5.5k mi on them and there's still about 1k left on the rear, more on the front. THey handle well on pavment and are predictible. They are decent on the dirt but not extraordinary. I haven't done a lot of rain riding with them but I didn't have any problems when I did. I'm probably going to buy MT60 next time, not because of any problems with the MT70 but just to see what a different tire is like. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) KLX C gearing Date: 17 Sep 1998 06:23:17 PDT >Been watching and posting to the list regarding more "woodsy" gearing >options for my '93 KLX650 with no luck. > >The "A" model comes standard with a 3.5 ratio while my "C" model is >like 2.86 or so. Know anybody with experience in dropping down? Any >suppliers have a solution? I don't know if it's best to go all theway >to 3.5 or stop somewhere between. > >Gary Rosema, Wisconsin KLX 95% woods Gary, My used KLX came with 14/48 Sidewinder sprockets (designed to shed dirt between the rear sprocket teeth). Also, a different chain, but I don't know if it's "special" in some way to work with the Sidewinder sprockets. Guess I'd sell these (600 miles on them), if you're interested, as I switched back to stock gearing. Also, I hear the Dennis Kirk catalog has the same part numbers for the A and C models. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) KLR vs KLX Date: 17 Sep 1998 06:45:13 PDT Robert, I'm in the process of trying to make a KLX into a "better" KLR, i.e., adding a bigger (Acerbis 4.75) gas tank, fitting luggage, custom seat. Out of the box it has better suspension, better brakes, stronger frame and newer motor. It's certainly better in the dirt and cruises pretty smoothly at 70 on the highway. To me the obvious downsides of the KLX are that you can't get a 6 gallon tank nor the ton of aftermarket touring stuff (e.g., center stand, Givi bag mounts). Nor does it have a fairing and I've yet to find a good aftermarket one for it, though the Rifle Nightflight looks promising. And I'm sure parts would be much harder to come by in the hinterlands. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: (klr650) KLR Base Manuals Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:42:37 -0600 OK, I've got em. Now who wants em? Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Shortened centerstand Date: 17 Sep 1998 14:33:21 Now that I've lowered the bike, where do I get a shortened centerstand? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Ellison Subject: (klr650) Dirt riding techniques Date: 17 Sep 1998 15:12:42 -0700 Any advice out there on basic dirt riding techniques with the KLR? I come from a background with lots of street riding, and 15 or so years of hard core mountain biking, but have very little experience handling a motorcycle in the dirt. I recently picked up a KLR650 to try out dual sport riding and been having a blast!!! However, some advice on basic dirt techniques (especially with a bike as heavy as the KLR) would be appreciated! (I am still running the stock tires which seem to work well on the mostly paved back roads around here - North SF Bay Area) A few specific questions I have are: What is the best way to initiate turns on loose gravel/dirt roads? Using the engine to power and slide/spin the rear wheel out of the turn seems to work great, but getting to that point seems very tricky. The front wheel seems especially prone to 'sliping out'. When going down steep switchback roads in low gear, engine torque seems to brake the rear wheel loose to much, is riding downhill with the clutch in most of the time (and using more brakes) an accepted technique, or using higher gears and clutch work? Since the bike does not have enough power to wheelie easily, what is the best way to deal with crossing ruts? When climbing a long steep hill, what is the best course of action when the rear tire starts to break loose and spin? Anyone know of a good manuel, book, or vidio on basic dirt riding techniques? Thanks in advance, Ken Ellison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Shortened centerstand Date: 17 Sep 1998 20:13:52 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, R. Kaub wrote: > Now that I've lowered the bike, where do I get a shortened centerstand? > Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 > > Hey Bob, When I called dual star, Mike told me that they have centerstands for lowered KLR's in stock, and that regular stands would be done a couple weeks. Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) RPM Drop/Weighted Bars Etc.. Date: 18 Sep 1998 04:17:23 +0300 Allright, here are the test results of vibration preventers: After filling up the handlebars with lead shot and silicone sealant mix, cut off the rubber ends of handle grips. At the right end you must also cut open the closed end of throttle (I used the iron saw of my Swiss army knife) Be very carefull since the plastic is really soft! Now you need two iron rods of 10 cm long and 4 cm diameter. (stainless stell is too hard and brass is very light for our purpose, both are tested) On a lathe you must give the following shape(I use the machine of my hospital since I'm also responsible from cardiovascular biomedical engineering department). (Sorry for the shape but it takes a long time to receive mails with pasted drawings, I didn't want to flood) { 4 cm } _____ {2cm} {6 cm} I '-^^^^---------------------- 3cm I ____________I I_____,^^^^^ So as you easily understand the part considered to stay outside is at the same thickness of rubber grip and the first 2 cm part of the inner part is toothed "threaded" like a 19 mm bolt (easy with a lathe or a hand threader). Now you need a tap at the same size of supposedly handle bolt ( I only know metric system) for threading the inner part of handle bar. Don't worry about the weakening of the tube as a result of this procedure since it takes out only 0,5 mm of metal and the remaining flat part of weight, fitting snugly into the rod will give enough beef (this is why we keep it an extra 6 cm long although it replaces heavier lead). All the sharp corners must be curved with lathe. Don't forget to unload enough lead shots before breaking in your end-weights. For this purpose use a monkey wrench but cover the outer part of end weight with something (I used a piece of old leather jean belt), without the soft iron is damaged badly. The dosage(amount) of leads left are adjusted as when the bar end-weight is screwed in completely they must also be compressed (can be accomplished with a few trials) Using some water resistant grease or regular motor oil will help for easy break-in and prevent from rust and corrosion (although this is not the case for stainless steel is a must for iron and brass). I painted the outer parts with Hammerite (a metal paint) in black. For the mirrors; I preferred stainless steel rods with a diameter of 2,5 cm and lengths of 3,5 cm for the left and 2 cm for the right mirror handle. Curve the corners slightly and drill holes of 9,2 mm (same as the outer diameter of mirror rods) lengthwise in the middle. Loosen the bootom locknut and take out the mirrors. Place the weights to the lower parts of handles (they will go up the bent part) tighten the mirrors with the locknuts. I used some amalgamating tape(melts and bonds onto itself aftersometime) under the left mirror weight since it's heavier and may break the cyanoacrylate adhesive I used for fixing them. These are what I've done and the results are: 1. Absolutely no hand vibrations on long pavement tours. 2. Better steering capabilities and no shaking at high speeds(I hate speed on earth rather I satisfy this primitive instinct "caveman with Formula 1 complex"??? on propeller plane acrobacy) 3. The mirror vibration was trembling me between ~2000-3750 rpm now it still exists but only between 3000-3500 rpm. 4. Keeps the side of the baby better off ground(just a trial of damping on neopren surface) All the procedure including painting took 227 minutes but you must consider that I have no technical deprivation of equipment and practice. It's up to you. I'm working on an additional lower front fender (costed 12 bucks) and front suspension air pressure adjuster-balancer (will take a longer time since I have to finish 12 researches for the national congress of cardiology). Will read you all anyway. Birol Say, M.D. Fred, don't forget my manuals and parts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Africa Twin/KLR impressions Date: 17 Sep 1998 20:35:47 +0000 This past August I had the great pleasure to meet my friend and his newly acquired Africa Twin in Arkansas to do some forest roads and drink beer. I had a few chances to ride the Africa Twin and here's what I thought: Heavy bike. Great on the highway. Looks AWESOME with gold anodized wheels and exto skeleton. Handful on the trails. Sounds GREAT. Really poor fuel mileage, high 30s to low low 40s. Fairly vibration free. I think if it was available here, I'd eventually own the KLR. However since it is unobtanium, I WANT one!!! Alex in Oak Park ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) The Pictures are out on the new XL1000V Date: 17 Sep 1998 20:16:42 -0600 Honda has introduced the next BIG dual sport. These are very long URLs and may wrap. Sorry. http://pcatlas4.mppmu.mpg.de/intermot98/pic00008.jpg http://195.212.30.49/domino/hem/hem_bikes.nsf/vwHTMLBikeByUNID/1C4C5FFADE972FF68025667400581CC8 Sorry for the Dutch or german site. I have been doing some of the translation. Here are some of the specs: Around 95 HP V-1000 6.8 inches of front travel 6.1 inches of rear travel 485 Lb dry weight 6.5 Gallon tank 7.6 inches of ground clearance Linked brakes One big monster. Steve "scoter scum" Johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wilfred Gaube Subject: Re: (klr650) The Pictures are out on the new XL1000V Date: 17 Sep 1998 22:31:00 -0400 By the way you can find the information in English at: http://195.212.30.49/domino/hem/hem_bikes.nsf/vwHTMLFrames/BikesEn Wow, wonder if it will ever find its way to Canada. Honda was showing the Africa Twin (750CC I think) at the last race of the season, but at $11k I dont think they would sell any. Wilfred At 08:16 PM 9/17/98 -0600, scooter scum wrote: >Honda has introduced the next BIG dual sport. > >These are very long URLs and may wrap. Sorry. > >http://pcatlas4.mppmu.mpg.de/intermot98/pic00008.jpg >http://195.212.30.49/domino/hem/hem_bikes.nsf/vwHTMLBikeByUNID/1C4C5FFADE97 2FF68025667400581CC8 > >Sorry for the Dutch or german site. > >I have been doing some of the translation. Here are some of >the specs: > >Around 95 HP V-1000 >6.8 inches of front travel >6.1 inches of rear travel >485 Lb dry weight >6.5 Gallon tank >7.6 inches of ground clearance >Linked brakes > >One big monster. > >Steve "scoter scum" Johnson > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Shortened centerstand Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:30:56 -0700 At 05:34 PM 9/17/98 -0400, R. Kaub wrote: >Now that I've lowered the bike, where do I get a shortened centerstand? You need a) and hacksaw and b) a welder to tack on alittle piece of plate. Or would you prefer a more complicated and expensive option? :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) Shortened centerstand Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:37:34 -0400 Tom, maybe you could make him one out of bed frame. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Simpson [SMTP:bullet@scsn.net] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 2:31 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Shortened centerstand > > At 05:34 PM 9/17/98 -0400, R. Kaub wrote: > >Now that I've lowered the bike, where do I get a shortened > centerstand? > > > You need a) and hacksaw and b) a welder to tack on alittle piece > of plate. > > Or would you prefer a more complicated and expensive option? :) > > > -Tom > '96 KLR 650 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Shortened centerstand Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:52:28 EDT Now that I've lowered the bike, where do I get a shortened centerstand? Thanks. Bob Kaub Good question, I've just done the same. My plan is to get a used centerstand and have a local welder do a little surgery on it. I also just got my copy of the KLR manual and suppliment, I'll have lots of questions for the more experienced KLR riders. BTW, on pp 12-4 (a diagram of the same "special tool" I got at Cycle Gear) and 15-2 (how to use it) is the factory response to lubricating the cables. They suggest using a "penetration rust inhibitor." Sounds like WD-40 to me. Again, I've found that Tri-Flo is superior. No mention is made as to the pro or con view of lubricating the twistgrip itself. Jeff 98 KLR 95 Trident ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Rear Brake Line Protector Date: 17 Sep 1998 21:29:26 PDT Your part is on order..Mike and I checked all available bikes on the floor and felt the piece off of the ZX-9 was the best..It is shaped correctly..You may have to use a round file on one of the screw holes just a bit as the holes are off maybe 1/2 a milimeter or less..The article from the KLR page mentioned "flattening" the piece off of the ZX-6..You will not have to do this on the piece you will receive..And it was $2.50 cheaper, polished, and appeared to be a tad longer which will add to the protection factor..Actual cost with tax was $12.87...In checking all of the bikes on the floor "all of the bikes" except the KLR-650 already had some sort of protector for the brake line fittings..( even the XL-650). The vulnerable piece is a black plastic fitting that goes from the end of the brake hose to a cast fitting.. Here is the part number in case you want to share this info with someone else after you have yours installed... Guard, Fr Step S #55020-1628 ( Damn this is fun)...If my Suzuki DR-650 was not such a good fit for me I would just have to buy a KLR.. Your friend Ron RON HAMPE ( : - ) >> FSSNOC #1214 KLR 650 DSOG BMWMOA #66471 CHAIN GANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Duftler Subject: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:03:56 -0400 Hey all, Has anyone out there experienced a problem with the left leg of the dual star center stand rubbing the shock linkage. I have a '95 (stock height), and followed the instructions that came with the stand. When the bike is on the sidestand, the center-stand stops on the large nut holding the linkage, not the rubber stopper. If I stand the bike upright, it then rests on the rubber stop. Basically, anytime the bike's suspension is fully-extended, the center-stand rubs the linkage. While the electrical tape I have wrapped around the center-stand's leg is doing a fine job, I was curious if anyone else has noticed this before. Thanks in advance, Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:19:57 EDT Well, if you'll remember my last installment about the infamous KLR weave returning when I re-installed the stock windshield, I found the cause. To refresh any memories out there that may have been damaged in the '60's and '70's, I have a lowered KLR with Rifle windscreen and Gripsters that I've bragged about not doing the dreaded high-speed KLR weave anymore. Then, I re- installed the stock windshield and the weave came back in a reduced state. (Now I hang my head in shame..) It seems that if the front tire is about 10psi low, it weaves. Can you imagine that the Great Kawasaki Engineers didn't design this possibility into their product?? (smile at this point.) Actually, can you believe that ONE OF US (gasp) would allow this to happen? Anyway, check the tires if the bike does something different than it used to... Just my $.02 worth. MN Ron (it's 80 today, but snow could come at any time. AAUURRRRRGGGHHH) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Tires Date: 18 Sep 1998 06:50:49 PDT I'm looking to put another set of tires on my bike within the next few months (I currently have a set of IRC GP-110s). After much research (and a fair level of soul searching), I've narrowed it down to either another set of IRCs (I've been really happy with them) or the Pirelli MT-70's. I'm thinking I'll go with the one that possesses the better dirt/mud characteristics. Any and all inputs, recommendations, and/or experiences would be most welcome. "TAWK amongst yoselfs..." Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Thermostat Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:47:33 FWIW: The thermostat housing (mine is leaking) is sealed by a rubber ring mounted on the flange of the thermostat itself. Those of you who may have had to change a thermostat on a Toyota 22RE four cylinder truck engine will know what I mean. The rubber ring itself is not available as a service part and the entire thermostat must be replaced if the rubber ring is defective. A thermostat costs about $25.00. Replacement is very straightforward. I'd recommend letting the engine cool a little so you don't get burned by coolant running out of the thermostat housing as it is removed. Remember to orient the vent hole in the thermostat flange toward the top of the engine and not to overtighten the three screws on the housing. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Clay Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:10:39 -0600 At 7:19 -0600 18/9/98, Rcklr@aol.com wrote: >Well, if you'll remember my last installment about the infamous KLR weave >returning when I re-installed the stock windshield, I found the cause. To >refresh any memories out there that may have been damaged in the '60's and >'70's, I have a lowered KLR with Rifle windscreen and Gripsters that I've >bragged about not doing the dreaded high-speed KLR weave anymore. Then, I re- >installed the stock windshield and the weave came back in a reduced state. >(Now I hang my head in shame..) It seems that if the front tire is about 10psi >low, it weaves. Can you imagine that the Great Kawasaki Engineers didn't >design this possibility into their product?? (smile at this point.) >Actually, can you believe that ONE OF US (gasp) would allow this to happen? > >Anyway, check the tires if the bike does something different than it used >to... Just my $.02 worth. > >MN Ron (it's 80 today, but snow could come at any time. AAUURRRRRGGGHHH) LOL! It's OK, Ron, I've done the same thing once or twice. Maybe it's our KLRs' way of protesting the impending return of Winter. Tom Clay Winterpeg MB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:31:40 Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the winter in the Northeast. What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for rust to form. I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand Date: 18 Sep 1998 07:50:39 -0700 The bolt is through your linkage backward. Put the bike on the centerstand, block the wheels, take the bolt out and turn it around. The head of the bolt does not stick out so far and the centerstand will clear it. The bolt is *supposed* to have its head on the left side, so your bike was assembled wrong. Mine was too. Thanks to Mike Walburn for clueing me in on the easy fix. Dreas Nielsen > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Duftler [SMTP:duftler@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 6:04 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand > > Hey all, > > Has anyone out there experienced a problem with the left leg of the > dual star > center stand rubbing the shock linkage. > > I have a '95 (stock height), and followed the instructions that came > with the > stand. > > When the bike is on the sidestand, the center-stand stops on the large > nut > holding the linkage, not the rubber stopper. If I stand the bike > upright, it > then rests on the rubber stop. Basically, anytime the bike's > suspension is > fully-extended, the center-stand rubs the linkage. > > While the electrical tape I have wrapped around the center-stand's leg > is doing > a fine job, I was curious if anyone else has noticed this before. > > Thanks in advance, > Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbouley@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 11:30:14 -0400 On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:40 "R. Kaub" writes: >Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for >the winter in the Northeast. Geez, Bob, and you on the world's greatest do-everything machine!?! A couple of winters ago, I rode my Sabre all winter up in Greene (and the snow is almost always heavier on the other side of Kattelville Hill, north of Binghamton on Rt. 12.). What I would've given to have those plush handguards! Oy. These kids of today .... Why, when I was a lad, we had to ride naked 30 miles through the drifting snow just to put chains on our tires, etc., etc. and blah, blah, blah... But, seriously, I wonder who else out there rides in the winter, too. Anybody got any great thoughts (besides "Don't!")?? I managed without electric clothing or fairing or heated grips, but I can't say it was always fun. For me, sub40 air temps get tough in a hurry without special accomodations. Subzero air temps made me real glad that the Sabre threw a fair amount of heat off the back two cylinders! The old gal always started, at least... which sure annoyed some neighbors whose cars didn't. Anyway, I was too broke for decent cold weather gear, so I bought a cheap-o insulated foam groundpad at K-Mart and cut it up into a chest protector, two leg and two arm shields, and a little triangle piece that went under the helmet chin guard down under the collar. The "body armor", I held in place with a few strategic cords around the the thighs and with my baggy rain gear. I looked ridiculous, I admit, but I got to ride... I was trying to fashion some sort of windbreak for my hands out of the same stuff, but never quite got it worked out. The KLR would've been a god-send for that. Doug, who got his bad circulation honestly. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 08:46:54 -0700 In the mid-70's I rode through a couple of winters in upstate New York. One of those winters I frequently rode Route 7 from Schenectady to Russel Sage, which was an interesting ride because, aside from the heavy traffic, there was about a 5-mile stretch where water would ooze up through the seams in the concrete slabs and then freeze, making speed bumps that were as much as 3 or 4 inches high and 6 inches or more wide. Scared the s**t out of me the first time I hit one at 50, but then immediately there was another, and another, and another... Pretty soon, no big deal, just take 'em square and upright. Those were my starving student days so I rode all winter with just a sheepskin vest, denim jacket, and nylon windbreaker, with ski gloves on my hands. But then, I like the cold. Of course, it's good to have a girlfriend to warm you up at the end of the ride. Dreas Nielsen > -----Original Message----- > From: djbouley@juno.com [SMTP:djbouley@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:30 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter > [] > But, seriously, I wonder who else out there rides in the winter, too. [] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 11:07:28 -0500 I feel sooooo sorry for you guys! :-) The riding season is just getting underway here in Texas! Do y'all ever try to ride in the snow up there? How does the KLR handle it? David M. King > Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the > winter in the Northeast. > What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in > the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two > weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run > in > first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about > mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start > riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for > rust to form. > I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Re: Hello! Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:31:00 PDT Dear Andres, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - - things have been kind of crazy for me here as of late. But in response to your questions: Question: Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you said you live in Panama? Answer: You are correct sir. I moved here ("here" being Panama City) in April and will be here until next spring or possibly through the middle part of summer. Question: I am going to make a trip to Argentina in April, and I would like to know a little about getting around the Darien Gap. I am considering travelling by plane from Panama to Venezuela, and I would like to know if you know of any companies that do this and possibly their prices? Answer: Your best bet would be to ship your bike by boat with you going by plane. I wouldn't recommend air-shipping your bike - - it's very expensive and it may require you to tear it down. No shortage of companies operating out of Colon (located on the north coast; Panama City borders the south coast) that might be able to accommodate you. I think I gave out a couple of names and numbers in my previous posts. Many of them cater only to industrial shipping, but you can also find ones that handle smaller loads. Few (if any) haul humans. Some (but not all) of the destinations: Guayaquil, Ecuador; Cartegena, Colombia; Caracas, Venezuela. Question: Are there many places where I can get my KLR fixed should I encounter problems? It will still be under warrenty at that point, so it would be nice if you knew of any dealers. Answer: Yes, there is a Kawasaki dealership here in Panama City. Each of the "Big Four" has a dealerships in town. I can't vouch for the quality of the service though, as I've never had the need to go to the Kawasaki dealer - - a credit to the bike's reliability (I ride the hell out of mine). I think your warranty would be welcomed down here (Fred Hink, care to comment?). >Thanks for your help, and if you are interested, maybe we can get together for a ride when I get down there, and you can show me some nice Panamanian scenery and trails. Thanks in advance for your help! > >Sincerely, > >Andres Carlstein Sounds good to me... I make it a point to try and find a new place to check out every weekend, so by then I should have a good idea of where to go. The "scenery" around here is quite impressive (the geography's not bad either). Another bit of advice: allocate NO LESS THAN 7 to 10 days for your layover if you're planning to make arrangements or perform maintenance. And give yourself another week on top of that for unanticipated surprises. Things in Latin America move notoriously slow by American standards (or for that matter; by anybody's standards). Bad information is also a pitfall - - if you talk to five different people you'll get five different stories. Will get off my soapbox for now. Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:46:34 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the >winter in the Northeast. >What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in >the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two >weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in >first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about >mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start >riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for >rust to form. >I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 > +++++ Comments....ok. Nov 1 caught my eye as the exact date my Progressive Ins. policy goes into its' layaway, mode. So for 4 months my coverage is comatose, reviving briefly in April for 20 days before expiring completely. (applications of $ bring renewed life) In my case, I expect to follow the owner's manual for winter storage (except I'll bring the tank to a semi-heated dry place). In your case I'd only add a couple things you may be doing already but didn't mention. I would use a fuel stabilizer, and if the place was unheated I'd put the front tire off the ground also ( dry wood floor may be ok) Additional random thoughts: If you notice any feeling of sleepiness while doing this, think to yourself how much you'd like to go into the house and lie on the sofa, then quickly shut off the bike and do that. I suspect you are not bringing the motor to normal operating temperature, which may be undesireable. I think for sure you must be building up corrosive moisture in the exhaust system, particularly muffler. One thing I try to do, by way of caring for equipment, is not use it more than I need to. It's a concept of preservation. Things wear out, and are a nuisance to replace. So in this case I would be thinking of how I'd be getting no use from equipment that is being worn out, producing no return on my investment. (It would be ok, for instance, if I got some kind of use....like having the rear wheel churn out butter or something) eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:00:53 -0700 -----Original Message----- >I feel sooooo sorry for you guys! :-) > >The riding season is just getting underway here in >Texas! > >Do y'all ever try to ride in the snow up there? How >does the KLR handle it? ++++++ ....just getting underway there? ...hmmmm, you guys are still in the same planetary hemisphere Oregon is aren't you? Or is this just some of thet tall Texas talk? Actually, pardner, we don't have to quit just cuz of a couple feet of snow. And if you know how to ride like a man, ice sheeted roadways on two wheels are a blast! Why don't y'all drop on over and I'll show you how we northerners give new meaning to the phrase "dashing through the snow" eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:13:05 -0500 > ++++++ ....just getting underway there? ...hmmmm, you guys are still in > the same planetary hemisphere Oregon is aren't you? Or is this just some > of thet tall Texas talk? > Actually, pardner, we don't have to quit just cuz of a couple feet of > snow. > And if you know how to ride like a man, ice sheeted roadways on two wheels > are a blast! Why don't y'all drop on over and I'll show you how we > northerners give new meaning to the phrase "dashing through the snow" > eric Well actually spring and fall are great to ride in. Summer is okay a lot of times but this years was really bad. A lot of times we can ride most of the winter months as well. Not that everyone does. Have you ever seen a native Texan on an icy or snowy road! =:-O Lookout! If we get a 1/2 inch of snow here, we declare a holiday! David M. King ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Riding Date: 18 Sep 1998 14:11:11 EDT I live about 40 Miles East of Chicago, and usually ride through the winter months. In the last few years, we haven't had much snow, but it has been pretty cold for most of the winter. I wear a Fieldsheer Autobahn cordura suit (probably called something else now), and am pretty comfortable down to about 35 degrees or so with a baclava (?) on my head. Last winter, whenever it was below about 50 degrees, I never saw another rider, and always got wierd looks from people when riding in the cold. I guess they just expect me to put the bike away in winter, but I just like to ride whether it is cold or hot. As it got a little warmer, I saw a few Beemer riders out. Came across Nebraska a few months ago, and it was 105 degrees wearing that same suit. I was very hot, but still enjoyed the ride! I haven't ridden the KLR in the snow. Hmmmm....Maybe I could somehow rig a plow up to this thing and clear my driveway this winter with it..............It is a do anything bike right? Boy would that be a sight! Somebody's probably tried it! Anyway, winter, summer, spring, or fall it's fun, we just all need to have the cash to buy the good gear, and we'd be more comfortable. I wonder if grant foundations would donate to a "KLR Warm Winter Riders" fund? Probably Not, Bill Swindle 98' KLR650 Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 13:29:56 -0500 (CDT) > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:40 > From: "R. Kaub" > What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in > the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two > weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in > first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about It's generally not a good idea to run an engine unless it can get hot enough to boil away all the moisture and volatile combustion by products. Fifteen minutes won't do that. I put stabilizer in the tank and fill it up all the way so there's no air in the tank. The ride to the gas station and the last fill will nicely mix the stabilizer with the gas. When I get home I pull the fuel line off the tank and drain the carb float bowl so there's no fuel anywhere but the tank). Then I either plug the fuel line or re-install it on the tank (to keep little critters out of the fuel line). Last, I take out the battery and put it on the shelf (in the garage). Now I leave it alone until March. After this there are lots of options, get the tires off the ground, spray WD-40 on all exposed metal, lower the tire air pressure (only if they're off the ground), change the oil, wash the bike, top off the charge on the battery each week (month), fog the cylinders, etc. There's a bunch more too. All of these things are good things, or at least not bad things, and over the years I've both done and not done them and it didn't seem to matter. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Tires- Michelin T65? Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:35:23 -0600 Speaking of tires, as we so often do: Michelin T65s work well on dual-sport airhead Beemers, and lots of European XT600s, but what about on the KLR650? Any feedback/experiences/ratings/rumours, esp about gravel roads and wet pavement? Any good prices anywhere? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650)crossing the Gap Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:44:36 -0600 > Question: I am going to make a trip to Argentina in April, and I would > like to know a little about getting around the Darien Gap. I am > considering travelling by plane from Panama to Venezuela, and I would > like to know if you know of any companies that do this and possibly > their prices? > > Answer: Your best bet would be to ship your bike by boat with you going > by plane. I wouldn't recommend air-shipping your bike - - it's very > expensive and it may require you to tear it down. No shortage of > companies operating out of Colon (located on the north coast; Panama > City borders the south coast) that might be able to accommodate you. I > think I gave out a couple of names and numbers in my previous posts. > Many of them cater only to industrial shipping, but you can also find > ones that handle smaller loads. Few (if any) haul humans. Some (but > not all) of the destinations: Guayaquil, Ecuador; Cartegena, Colombia; > Caracas, Venezuela. When I went from Panama to Colombia I flew of the Darien, using Aerolineas Medellin. Don't know if they are still in business, since the Colombians had seized one of their planes for the usual sort of reasons. I also had to wait for 10 days in Medellin (10 fun-filled days, I can tell you!) for the bike to arrive. fortunately I met some great folks at Moto Mundo, a pirate Yamaha importer. But that is another story. The point is, flying over the gap on regular commercial carriers has been an option, and not that expensive (cost me US$75 those many years ago). If you can avoid Colombia, do so just for the customs troubles. Recommend Quito or Guayaquil, (or possibly a Venezuelan airport, but then you'd have to ride through Colombia). best Dr Robert Ingeniero, guardaespaldas, motero, brujo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Winter Date: 18 Sep 1998 16:17:10 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906149831_boundary Content-ID: <0_906149831@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/18/98 9:39:29 AM EST, rkaub@binghamton.edu writes: << Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the winter in the Northeast. What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for rust to form. I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. Bob Kaub >> I add some sort of gasoline stabolizer to the gas as well on my bikes. I used to start them up as well, but now I just seal up everything that I can, remove the battery and charge it up throughout the winter. I know that there are all kinds of voodoo things that people do for winterizing, but I think that Bob has it down pretty well. I think that if you can keep things dry, and the wheels off the cement, things should be OK come spring. Stay warm this winter!!! MN Ron (I'm already day-dreaming about spring...is that sick or what??) --part0_906149831_boundary Content-ID: <0_906149831@inet_out.mail.binghamton.edu.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (rly-ya05.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.197]) by air-ya01.mail.aol.com (v50.5) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:39:27 2000 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id KAA12064; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zK1ff-0003aG-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:38:03 -0600 Received: from (mail.binghamton.edu) [128.226.10.60] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zK1fd-0003a9-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:38:01 -0600 Received: from kaub ([128.226.15.27]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA06135 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980918103140.266f8844@mailbox.cc.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: rkaub@mailbox.cc.binghamton.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "R. Kaub" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the winter in the Northeast. What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for rust to form. I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 --part0_906149831_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Barthell" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:33:56 -0500 I had the same situation after I got the bike back from servicing, but the only thing that rubed was the chain on the nuts and bolts. Now that really shortens the lifespan of a chain ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- >The bolt is through your linkage backward. Put the bike on the >centerstand, block the wheels, take the bolt out and turn it around. >The head of the bolt does not stick out so far and the centerstand will >clear it. The bolt is *supposed* to have its head on the left side, so >your bike was assembled wrong. Mine was too. Thanks to Mike Walburn >for clueing me in on the easy fix. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Riding Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:08:58 -0500 I ride all year. As long as there's no ice on the road and there's no blizzard forcast for the commute home from work, I'll take the bike. I just think it's such a pain in the ass to winterize it. I feel that if I take it for a good spin at least once every 4 or 5 days it's easier than going through all of the storage ritual. On those really cold days (25F or less) people look at me strangely and some ask "how can you ride in weather like this!?" I just tell them that it's no different than people going snowmobiling or hitting the slopes for 8hrs! The key not freezing to death is STAY WINDPROOF. I wear nylon pants on top of combat trousers and long underwear; a turtleneck, a sweater and a nylon hooded windbreaker under a leather jacket. I don the hood before putting on a full-face helmet. This will keep me comfy down to about 5F. Mark 1990 650 Tengai ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Dahlheimer, MD" Subject: (klr650) valves: help? Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:38:46 -0400 recently posted this. sorry, but posting it again in hopes of getting comments/suggestions... recently took the killer out on a trip this weekend, the first after adjusting the valves. when i checked the valves (22k mi), all the clearances were slim to none (mostly none). they appeared to be in specs after changing shims (and stripping out two head cover bolt threads in the cylinder head...). the bike now runs a bit smoother at higher rpms, but seems to be less smooth at lower rpms (kinda "jerky"), and also has s distinct "tap" coming from the top end. 8^( _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) valves: help? Date: 18 Sep 1998 16:47:25 -0600 -----Original Message----- >recently posted this. sorry, but posting it again in hopes of getting >comments/suggestions... > >recently took the killer out on a trip this weekend, the first after >adjusting the valves. when i checked the valves (22k mi), all the >clearances were slim to none (mostly none). they appeared to be in specs >after changing shims (and stripping out two head cover bolt threads in the >cylinder head...). the bike now runs a bit smoother at higher rpms, but >seems to be less smooth at lower rpms (kinda "jerky"), and also has s >distinct "tap" coming from the top end. If you can hear a "tap" or "click" then that would tell me that the valve clearances are not set right (too loose). Better do it all again. I know you really wanted to hear that. Not really sure why this would cause it to be "jerky". Are you sure you got all the hoses routed to the correct places? Fred (for $100 what was "the Jerks special purpose"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 18 Sep 1998 16:11:54 -0700 >Anyway, check the tires if the bike does something different than it used >to... Just my $.02 worth. > >MN Ron (it's 80 today, but snow could come at any time. AAUURRRRRGGGHHH) > >++++ Ron, I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so. It's good you don't have the problem anyway. What's that about snow? ....oh, dashing through the snow, in a Kawi powered sleigh, o'er neighbors yards we go, boozing all the way....:) ...hic! eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debra & Gary Rosema Subject: (klr650) Re: Winter Fun on KLX Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:43:43 -0500 For those looking at things to do in the winter with their KL's, here's a suggestion straight from Wisconsin: If you are fortunate enough to reside in a northern state like we are, there's ICE RACING! Last winter, I took off all the turn signals, mirrors etc. Bought some new summer tires, but studded up my old ones and had a few great Sunday afternoons on a local lake. Each Sunday about 10 - 20 crazies show up with Ice Bikes and my KLX fit right in - try it, you'll like it. Gary "waiting for snow in Wisconsin" Rosema klr650-digest wrote: > klr650-digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 249 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:19:57 EDT > From: Rcklr@aol.com > Subject: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem > > Well, if you'll remember my last installment about the infamous KLR weave > returning when I re-installed the stock windshield, I found the cause. To > refresh any memories out there that may have been damaged in the '60's and > '70's, I have a lowered KLR with Rifle windscreen and Gripsters that I've > bragged about not doing the dreaded high-speed KLR weave anymore. Then, I re- > installed the stock windshield and the weave came back in a reduced state. > (Now I hang my head in shame..) It seems that if the front tire is about 10psi > low, it weaves. Can you imagine that the Great Kawasaki Engineers didn't > design this possibility into their product?? (smile at this point.) > Actually, can you believe that ONE OF US (gasp) would allow this to happen? > > Anyway, check the tires if the bike does something different than it used > to... Just my $.02 worth. > > MN Ron (it's 80 today, but snow could come at any time. AAUURRRRRGGGHHH) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:50:49 PDT > From: "Juan Villarreal" > Subject: (klr650) Tires > > I'm looking to put another set of tires on my bike within the next few > months (I currently have a set of IRC GP-110s). After much research > (and a fair level of soul searching), I've narrowed it down to either > another set of IRCs (I've been really happy with them) or the Pirelli > MT-70's. I'm thinking I'll go with the one that possesses the better > dirt/mud characteristics. Any and all inputs, recommendations, and/or > experiences would be most welcome. "TAWK amongst yoselfs..." > > Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:47:33 > From: "R. Kaub" > Subject: (klr650) Thermostat > > FWIW: > The thermostat housing (mine is leaking) is sealed by a rubber ring mounted > on the flange of the thermostat itself. Those of you who may have had to > change a thermostat on a Toyota 22RE four cylinder truck engine will know > what I mean. The rubber ring itself is not available as a service part and > the entire thermostat must be replaced if the rubber ring is defective. A > thermostat costs about $25.00. > Replacement is very straightforward. I'd recommend letting the engine cool > a little so you don't get burned by coolant running out of the thermostat > housing as it is removed. Remember to orient the vent hole in the > thermostat flange toward the top of the engine and not to overtighten the > three screws on the housing. Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:39 -0600 > From: Tom Clay > Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem > > At 7:19 -0600 18/9/98, Rcklr@aol.com wrote: > >Well, if you'll remember my last installment about the infamous KLR weave > >returning when I re-installed the stock windshield, I found the cause. To > >refresh any memories out there that may have been damaged in the '60's and > >'70's, I have a lowered KLR with Rifle windscreen and Gripsters that I've > >bragged about not doing the dreaded high-speed KLR weave anymore. Then, I re- > >installed the stock windshield and the weave came back in a reduced state. > >(Now I hang my head in shame..) It seems that if the front tire is about 10psi > >low, it weaves. Can you imagine that the Great Kawasaki Engineers didn't > >design this possibility into their product?? (smile at this point.) > >Actually, can you believe that ONE OF US (gasp) would allow this to happen? > > > >Anyway, check the tires if the bike does something different than it used > >to... Just my $.02 worth. > > > >MN Ron (it's 80 today, but snow could come at any time. AAUURRRRRGGGHHH) > > LOL! It's OK, Ron, I've done the same thing once or twice. Maybe it's our > KLRs' way of protesting the impending return of Winter. > > Tom Clay > Winterpeg MB > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:40 > From: "R. Kaub" > Subject: (klr650) Winter > > Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the > winter in the Northeast. > What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in > the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two > weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in > first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about > mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start > riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for > rust to form. > I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. > Bob Kaub > State University of New York > PO Box 6000 > Binghamton, NY 13902 > 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:50:39 -0700 > From: Dreas Nielsen > Subject: RE: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand > > The bolt is through your linkage backward. Put the bike on the > centerstand, block the wheels, take the bolt out and turn it around. > The head of the bolt does not stick out so far and the centerstand will > clear it. The bolt is *supposed* to have its head on the left side, so > your bike was assembled wrong. Mine was too. Thanks to Mike Walburn > for clueing me in on the easy fix. > > Dreas Nielsen > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Duftler [SMTP:duftler@us.ibm.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 6:04 AM > > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (klr650) Dual Star Center Stand > > > > Hey all, > > > > Has anyone out there experienced a problem with the left leg of the > > dual star > > center stand rubbing the shock linkage. > > > > I have a '95 (stock height), and followed the instructions that came > > with the > > stand. > > > > When the bike is on the sidestand, the center-stand stops on the large > > nut > > holding the linkage, not the rubber stopper. If I stand the bike > > upright, it > > then rests on the rubber stop. Basically, anytime the bike's > > suspension is > > fully-extended, the center-stand rubs the linkage. > > > > While the electrical tape I have wrapped around the center-stand's leg > > is doing > > a fine job, I was curious if anyone else has noticed this before. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Matt > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:30:14 -0400 > From: djbouley@juno.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter > > On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:40 "R. Kaub" writes: > >Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for > >the winter in the Northeast. > > > > Geez, Bob, and you on the world's greatest do-everything machine!?! > > A couple of winters ago, I rode my Sabre all winter up in Greene (and the > snow is almost always heavier on the other side of Kattelville Hill, > north of Binghamton on Rt. 12.). > > What I would've given to have those plush handguards! Oy. These kids of > today .... Why, when I was a lad, we had to > ride naked 30 miles through the drifting snow just to put chains on our > tires, etc., etc. and blah, blah, blah... > > But, seriously, I wonder who else out there rides in the winter, too. > Anybody got any great thoughts (besides "Don't!")?? I managed without > electric clothing or fairing or heated grips, but I can't say it was > always fun. For me, sub40 air temps get tough in a hurry without special > accomodations. Subzero air temps made me real glad that the Sabre threw a > fair amount of heat off the back two cylinders! The old gal always > started, at least... which sure annoyed some neighbors whose cars didn't. > > Anyway, I was too broke for decent cold weather gear, so I bought a > cheap-o insulated foam groundpad at K-Mart and cut it up into a chest > protector, two leg and two arm shields, and a little triangle piece that > went under the helmet chin guard down under the collar. The "body armor", > I held in place with a few strategic cords around the the thighs and with > my baggy rain gear. I looked ridiculous, I admit, but I got to ride... > > I was trying to fashion some sort of windbreak for my hands out of the > same stuff, but never quite got it worked out. The KLR would've been a > god-send for that. > > Doug, who got his bad circulation honestly. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:46:54 -0700 > From: Dreas Nielsen > Subject: RE: (klr650) Winter > > In the mid-70's I rode through a couple of winters in upstate New York. > One of those winters I frequently rode Route 7 from Schenectady to > Russel Sage, which was an interesting ride because, aside from the heavy > traffic, there was about a 5-mile stretch where water would ooze up > through the seams in the concrete slabs and then freeze, making speed > bumps that were as much as 3 or 4 inches high and 6 inches or more wide. > Scared the s**t out of me the first time I hit one at 50, but then > immediately there was another, and another, and another... Pretty soon, > no big deal, just take 'em square and upright. > > Those were my starving student days so I rode all winter with just a > sheepskin vest, denim jacket, and nylon windbreaker, with ski gloves on > my hands. But then, I like the cold. Of course, it's good to have a > girlfriend to warm you up at the end of the ride. > > Dreas Nielsen > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: djbouley@juno.com [SMTP:djbouley@juno.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:30 AM > > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter > > > [] > > But, seriously, I wonder who else out there rides in the winter, too. > [] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:07:28 -0500 > From: David M. King > Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Winter > > I feel sooooo sorry for you guys! :-) > > The riding season is just getting underway here in > Texas! > > Do y'all ever try to ride in the snow up there? How > does the KLR handle it? > > David M. King > > > Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the > > winter in the Northeast. > > What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in > > the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two > > weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run > > in > > first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about > > mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start > > riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for > > rust to form. > > I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. > > Bob Kaub > > State University of New York > > PO Box 6000 > > Binghamton, NY 13902 > > 607-777-2715 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:31:00 PDT > From: "Juan Villarreal" > Subject: (klr650) Re: Hello! > > Dear Andres, > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - - things have been > kind of crazy for me here as of late. But in response to your > questions: > > Question: Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you said you live in > Panama? > > Answer: You are correct sir. I moved here ("here" being Panama City) > in April and will be here until next spring or possibly through the > middle part of summer. > > Question: I am going to make a trip to Argentina in April, and I would > like to know a little about getting around the Darien Gap. I am > considering travelling by plane from Panama to Venezuela, and I would > like to know if you know of any companies that do this and possibly > their prices? > > Answer: Your best bet would be to ship your bike by boat with you going > by plane. I wouldn't recommend air-shipping your bike - - it's very > expensive and it may require you to tear it down. No shortage of > companies operating out of Colon (located on the north coast; Panama > City borders the south coast) that might be able to accommodate you. I > think I gave out a couple of names and numbers in my previous posts. > Many of them cater only to industrial shipping, but you can also find > ones that handle smaller loads. Few (if any) haul humans. Some (but > not all) of the destinations: Guayaquil, Ecuador; Cartegena, Colombia; > Caracas, Venezuela. > > > Question: Are there many places where I can get my KLR fixed should I > encounter problems? It will still be under warrenty at that point, so > it would be nice if you knew of any dealers. > > Answer: Yes, there is a Kawasaki dealership here in Panama City. Each > of the "Big Four" has a dealerships in town. I can't vouch for the > quality of the service though, as I've never had the need to go to the > Kawasaki dealer - - a credit to the bike's reliability (I ride the hell > out of mine). I think your warranty would be welcomed down here (Fred > Hink, care to comment?). > > >Thanks for your help, and if you are interested, maybe we can get > together for a ride when I get down there, and you can show me some nice > Panamanian scenery and trails. Thanks in advance for your help! > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Andres Carlstein > > Sounds good to me... I make it a point to try and find a new place to > check out every weekend, so by then I should have a good idea of where > to go. The "scenery" around here is quite impressive (the geography's > not bad either). Another bit of advice: allocate NO LESS THAN 7 to 10 > days for your layover if you're planning to make arrangements or perform > maintenance. And give yourself another week on top of that for > unanticipated surprises. Things in Latin America move notoriously slow > by American standards (or for that matter; by anybody's standards). Bad > information is also a pitfall - - if you talk to five different people > you'll get five different stories. > > Will get off my soapbox for now. Good luck and let me know if you have > any other questions. > > Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:46:34 -0700 > From: "Eric Rhoads" > Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter > > - -----Original Message----- > From: R. Kaub > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 7:38 AM > Subject: (klr650) Winter > > >Unfortunately November 1 is about the time to put your bike away for the > >winter in the Northeast. > >What I usually do is fill the gas tank to the very top and put the bike in > >the dry but unheated shed with the rear wheel up off the floor. Every two > >weeks or so during the winter I go out and start the bike and let it run in > >first gear for 10 to 15 minutes. I do this all winter until about > >mid-to-late March (depending on how warm the spring is) when you can start > >riding again. I make sure the tank is topped off so there's no room for > >rust to form. > >I've had good luck with method for years. Comments? Thanks. > >Bob Kaub > >State University of New York > >PO Box 6000 > >Binghamton, NY 13902 > >607-777-2715 > > > +++++ Comments....ok. > > Nov 1 caught my eye as the exact date my Progressive Ins. > policy goes into its' layaway, mode. So for 4 months my coverage is > comatose, reviving briefly in April for 20 days before expiring completely. > (applications of $ bring renewed life) > > In my case, I expect to follow the owner's manual for > winter storage (except I'll bring the tank to a semi-heated dry place). In > your case I'd only add a couple things you may be doing already but didn't > mention. I would use a fuel stabilizer, and if the place was unheated I'd > put the front tire off the ground also ( dry wood floor may be ok) > > Additional random thoughts: > > If you notice any feeling of sleepiness while doing this, > think to yourself how much you'd like to go into the house and lie on the > sofa, then quickly shut off the bike and do that. > > I suspect you are not bringing the motor to normal > operating temperature, which may be undesireable. I think for sure you must > be building up corrosive moisture in the exhaust system, particularly > muffler. > > One thing I try to do, by way of caring for equipment, is > not use it more than I need to. It's a concept of preservation. Things wear > out, and are a nuisance to replace. > So in this case I would be thinking of how I'd be getting no use from > equipment that is being worn out, producing no return on my investment. > (It would be ok, for instance, if I got some kind of use....like having the > rear wheel churn out butter or something) > > eric > > ------------------------------ > > End of klr650-digest V1 #249 > **************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) Shipping Panama-Colombia Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:43:27 +0000 I found an archived travel log from Dave and Sharon Thompson, who are currently riding two BMW GSes around tre world, which mentions flying bike from Panama to Bogota for $250 each. This was last November. The company was called Girag. Another that was mentioned was Servi Carga. I hope this helps. Alex in Chicago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem Date: 19 Sep 1998 09:13:55 +1000 Rcklr@aol.com wrote: [...] > (Now I hang my head in shame..) It seems that if the front tire is about 10psi > low, it weaves. Can you imagine that the Great Kawasaki Engineers didn't > design this possibility into their product?? (smile at this point.) I think there's something in that for all of us. The simple things are often the best. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:50:33 +1000 Eric Rhoads wrote: [...] > I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires > which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm > wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and > wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so. Try different pressures, maybe go up to 25psi and see what it does, this I guess is still way below the tyre's max cold pressure. Check on the sidewall, most tyres will tell you this max figure. While every brand and model of tyre needs its own pressure, 21psi sounds a bit low to me for road use. I suspect the book pressures take into account offroad use, where 21psi sounds more appropriate. In my own case, I run about 28-30psi in my front Metzeler ME33 and anywhere from 30-36psi in the rear Metzeler ME55A. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Fwd: Re: Brake line Protector Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:01:15 PDT >From: "Ron Hampe" >To: "Juan Villarreal" >Subject: Re: Brake line Protector >Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:55:42 -0500 > > >Would you advise the person on your KLR forum that e-mailed me regarding the >year 0f ZX-9 that the brake line protector came off of is a '98...I >accidently deleted when I was thinking I was replying.. > >RON HAMPE ( : - ) >> > >FSSNOC #1214 KLR 650 DSOG >BMWMOA #66471 CHAIN GANG > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) valves: help? Date: 19 Sep 1998 02:04:21 EDT >Fred (for $100 what was "the Jerks special purpose"? That was what he and his parents called this penis!! Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: (klr650) Vibram(tm) soles and steel pegs-ooops! Date: 19 Sep 1998 08:53:17 -0400 This is to add to the collection of embarrassing stuff - I just finished kicki...er, petting the little dog at Taco Bell and was in process of pulling out into the road from the parking lot. My boots have brand-new Vibram(tm) soles and the KLR has IMS steel pegs. As I was coming to a stop, one of the soles got wedge-stuck in the steel peg, and I had fallen almost halfway over at the stop before I was able to jerk free and stabilize the bike. I don't think I could have recovered if the bike weighed another 100 pounds, nonetheless, the whole thing made me think about the design of boot soles and the fact that I better pay attention to how hardware and clothing work together. Stuart 1998 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 09:02:39 -0500 In regards to Honda's XL1000. Even if it did come to America do you really think it would be a success? It's big, real big. Looks like fashion won against function again. Let's see that thing go were a KLR can. Don't think I could pull the big XL out of an Arkansas mud hole by myself. Why can't they make something like an XL1000 without all that nice fancy plastic. The pictures of the new Tiger look more promising. Looks like they put it on a diet from the plastic menu and cleaned up the exhaust system. Kawasaki knows they have a good bike. If they change it, please remember the fashion vs. function. Function is what's needed. Fashion is for weanies and want-a-be's. Jim 98 KLR, 93 KLX > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) valves: help? Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:48:31 -0400 > >recently took the killer out on a trip this weekend, the first after > >adjusting the valves. when i checked the valves (22k mi), all the > >clearances were slim to none (mostly none). they appeared to be in specs > >after changing shims (and stripping out two head cover bolt threads in the > >cylinder head...). the bike now runs a bit smoother at higher rpms, but > >seems to be less smooth at lower rpms (kinda "jerky"), and also has s > >distinct "tap" coming from the top end. > > If you can hear a "tap" or "click" then that would tell me that the valve > clearances are not set right (too loose). Better do it all again. I know > you really wanted to hear that. A heard a lot of people who adjust valves with zero clearance say they are noisier when they bring them back to normal clearance. When clearance wears down to zero, the cams no longer are taking up any slack. Once you loosen the valves up, you'll hear them ticking when the few thousandths clearance gets closed by the cam. I've experienced this a few times now. Valves that are too tight can be quieter than valves that are properly adjusted. Of course, hearing noise _doesn't_ mean the valves are in spec. :-) -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 09:07:13 -0700 -----Original Message----- >In regards to Honda's XL1000. Even if it did come to America do you really >think it would be a success? It's big, real big. Looks like fashion won >against function again. +++++yeah, but keep in mind this is a design intended to sell in a different market....I'd think this includes the fashion aspect too....the realities of the overseas market will determine success. I think it looks nice, but I wouldn't buy it myself, because it wouldn't give the kind of function I want. My counterpart in, say, Belgium might think it's just the ticket. Economies are different in Europe....especially prices, and taxes. Let's see that thing go were a KLR can. Don't think >I could pull the big XL out of an Arkansas mud hole by myself. ++++ I don't mean to be critical, but I think there's not that many Arkansas mud holes in Belgium, or Denmark, etc. So you see you are on the right track. It's designed for a different kind of use. >Why can't they make something like an XL1000 without all that nice fancy >plastic. The pictures of the new Tiger look more promising. Looks like they >put it on a diet from the plastic menu and cleaned up the exhaust system. >Kawasaki knows they have a good bike. If they change it, please remember the >fashion vs. function. Function is what's needed. Fashion is for weanies and >want-a-be's. +++++ I'd be more happy if they'd have put the KLR on a diet. I don't need all the fancy plastic it has, and it seems kind of vulnerable to damage in some ways. I wanted a 'utility bike' and the KLR came closest to what I wanted. I like the water cooling, but not the added complexity, I like the power but a 500cc 6-speed would've been fine, etc. etc. ........sometimes people say 'what a nice looking bike, I like the color, etc.' to me that means the bike is too fancy. If I want fancy/comfort/safe/dry I drive the Mazda 929. .....sorry guys....hope that's not more'n 2 cents worth. eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:45:25 -0500 That's why I said it's another motorcycle for want-a-be's and weanies. Another styling cue from Dakar. It will be an excellent street bike. Of course it won't do what a KLR will. Neither will the Tiger, R1100GS, or R100gs-pd, African twin, Transalp, blah blah blah. And a KLR won't do what a Legalized XR400, YZ400F, or even a XR600. > jsprecker@uswest.net < -----Original Message----- > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Sprecker >To: klr650 >Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 7:04 AM >Subject: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. > > >>In regards to Honda's XL1000. Even if it did come to America do you really >>think it would be a success? It's big, real big. Looks like fashion won >>against function again. > >+++++yeah, but keep in mind this is a design intended to sell in a different >market....I'd think this includes the fashion aspect too....the realities of >the overseas market will determine success. I think it looks nice, but I >wouldn't buy it myself, because it wouldn't give the kind of function I >want. My counterpart in, say, Belgium might think it's just the ticket. >Economies are different in Europe....especially prices, and taxes. > > Let's see that thing go were a KLR can. Don't think >>I could pull the big XL out of an Arkansas mud hole by myself. > >++++ I don't mean to be critical, but I think there's not that many >Arkansas mud holes in Belgium, or Denmark, etc. So you see you are on the >right track. It's designed for a different kind of use. > >>Why can't they make something like an XL1000 without all that nice fancy >>plastic. The pictures of the new Tiger look more promising. Looks like they >>put it on a diet from the plastic menu and cleaned up the exhaust system. >>Kawasaki knows they have a good bike. If they change it, please remember >the >>fashion vs. function. Function is what's needed. Fashion is for weanies and >>want-a-be's. > >+++++ I'd be more happy if they'd have put the KLR on a diet. I don't need >all the fancy plastic it has, and it seems kind of vulnerable to damage in >some ways. I wanted a 'utility bike' and the KLR came closest to what I >wanted. I like the water cooling, but not the added complexity, I like the >power but a 500cc 6-speed would've been fine, etc. etc. >........sometimes people say 'what a nice looking bike, I like the color, >etc.' to me that means the bike is too fancy. If I want >fancy/comfort/safe/dry I drive the Mazda 929. > >.....sorry guys....hope that's not more'n 2 cents worth. > >eric > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green Date: 19 Sep 1998 12:53:13 EDT On 9/12/98, msfaul@digisys.net wrote: snip > I`m looking forward to the pictures. I`m working on dual head lights right >now and would like to see his. I`m planning on splitting my fairing down the >middle and splicing in 4" of composite material to widen the fairing enough >for the dual headlight assembly I`m fabricating ( unless I come up with one >in a bike boneyard first). > Glad to see you back and hope that all is well. > Skip (who WAS going to bed until he saw Ron`s post) I hope you ended up getting some sleep;) I finally made it by Todd's to take a test ride and photograph his klr/kx hybrid. The following are some observations and a site with pix. Todd bought this '92 with all of the mods already done. A mechanic and a racer from Kawasaki's own Team Green put it together as a project bike. Looks like they really had fun with this one. The Diet: Most of us admit that the klr is on the heavy side for dirt riding. Seems that Green thought so too. Here's a list of what was replaced and what was outright deleted. 38MM stock forks and single piston brake swapped with a KX500's beefy upside down 43MM fork and dual piston. No fan. It's gone. After several years of dirt racing, this bike proves that you can get by without it. And in place of temperature gauge, there's only a heat sensitive plastic strip on top of the radiator. No instruments. While they were pulling the thermostat they got rid of the speedo and tach, which also got rid of the idiot lights. In it's place is a simple mechanical odometer. Who needs a fairing in the dirt? Yup, it's gone. The stock headlight was replaced with a dual lamp setup enclosed in a steel tube frame. Smog stuff? Long gone. Metal gas tank swapped for a light weight plastic one. Steel handlebars are now aluminum. The plastic bash plate changed to a thin, minimal aluminum one. Clutch and side stand safety tangle - deleted. Stock exhaust swapped for a much lighter, custom made pipe. Rubber pegs turned to steel. Rear shock changed out for a works unit with a reservoir. Rims are now blue Excel with a whopping 19" rear wheel. I didn't feel comfortable testing the edge of the envelope on someone else's bike, so I was a bit conservative while riding it. The carb and exhaust were magic. The bike wanted to stand on it's hind leg even when I didn't. Shifting was the smoothest I've ever experienced on a thumper. Steering was very quick. The brakes did _not_ live up to my expectation. Todd had just replaced the pads, so maybe it was just a matter of them not being seated yet. I'm sure I overlooked some things, but this gives you an overall view. If anyone wants more details, I'll see what I can find out. This setup would give most XTs, XLs, DRs and even XRs a run for their money. I still have that silly grin on my face. If Todd sells it, I hope someone local buys it so I can ride this bike again. In the mean time, I'm going to start incorporating some of these mods onto my monster. http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/klrandkx.jpg/ KLR + KX = A Monster Redondo Ron (doing the dirty work so others won't have to) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650)"Form follows function" Date: 19 Sep 1998 10:03:19 -0700 Gentleman The great designer/architect Louis Sullivan said "form follows function." I could"t agree more. Honda's intended design statement is "to create a large displacement touring motorcycle that combines a litter class engine offering powerful low to midrange output for quick and easy acceleration, even on steep upgrades, with the large, roomy proportions of big touring bikes, yet still offering the remarkably light and easy handling generally associated with off road machines." It looks to me that they may well have hit it right on the head. No its not a MX bike on steroids, and was not intended for the motto-sherpa role our KLRs fill so well. I can't wait to ride one. I will have to clear some more room in my garage as I will not part with my KLR. It will give me an excuse to put real agressive dirt tires on the Kawi and ride the Honda on the street. I think the Varadero will give the 1100 gs a run for the money. As far as comparing anything to the "Tiger"....have you ever owned anything made in Britain?...they don't call LUCAS "the prince of darkness" for nothing. It is said in automotive circles that the reason they drink warm beer in England is because LUCAS makes the refridgerators! peace Morgan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650)"Form follows function" Date: 19 Sep 1998 13:01:42 -0500 More whinning from me... The companies that produce these neat, big bikes seems to advertise them that they are a do all, go all purpose machine. On loose surface roads the big bikes can be a handful. And lot's of people could testify that thier 1100gs' with sweet handling and smoothness on the highway can become a mean and nasty beast on just a sand/gravel road. Remember the pictures of the R1100gs when it came out BMW shown them riding on some nasty looking rocks. I realize it was staged for the pictures but the mindset is that people looking for something to ride to Alaska and havn't had the opprotunity to ride those big machines in poor conditions are talked into buying them and find out that a 'light fall' can cost hundreds of dollars and when they get them on a hill and it tips down hill 500+ pounds won't be stopped. It leads me to wonder why there are so many R1100gs for sale on the internet. Also while I'm complaining here a good example of fashion is the twin exhaust pipes on the current Tiger. It sure makes it hard for soft luggage or saddlebags because of the width. I've got to ride a couple of times the Tiger and the R1100GS. Their top heavy and alot of weight on the front wheel. I've owned a Transalp and encountered the same uneasy feeling as the front wheel wondered and sliped under me in the gravel and sand. These are all fantastic motorcycles don't get me wrong but I feel that their sold for something that most people are not capable of doing with them. When a saleperson (American) says "Yaa you can ride all day down the interstate and go off road with it also." I see that wonderful plastic and wonder 'gee, if I dump this thing.........' I feel that the KLR (right now) fits the needs of those who want to ride hundreds of miles, and still go into places that most cycles won't dream about. Pack all my stuff on it and go. Not worring about running out of gas in 180 miles. Lot's of aftermarket items avalible. Smooth running single with decient power. And as others have mentioned a person can improvise and modify one to do anything they want without $10,000+ bucks sunk into it. Long live the KLR! thanks Jim (I feel like complaining and whinning today.) > jsprecker@uswest.net < -----Original Message----- Eric Rhoads >Gentleman > The great designer/architect Louis Sullivan said "form follows >function." I could"t agree more. Honda's intended design statement is "to >create a large displacement touring motorcycle that combines a litter class >engine offering powerful low to midrange output for quick and easy >acceleration, even on steep upgrades, with the large, roomy proportions of >big touring bikes, yet still offering the remarkably light and easy handling >generally associated with off road machines." It looks to me that they may >well have hit it right on the head. No its not a MX bike on steroids, and >was not intended for the motto-sherpa role our KLRs fill so well. I can't >wait to ride one. I will have to clear some more room in my garage as I >will not part with my KLR. It will give me an excuse to put real agressive >dirt tires on the Kawi and ride the Honda on the street. I think the >Varadero will give the 1100 gs a run for the money. As far as comparing >anything to the "Tiger"....have you ever owned anything made in >Britain?...they don't call LUCAS "the prince of darkness" for nothing. It is >said in automotive circles that the reason they drink warm beer in England >is because LUCAS makes the refridgerators! >peace Morgan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Palin" Subject: RE: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:29:56 -0700 It's just this kind of attitude that motorcycling doesn't need, calling people names who buy a different kind of bike than you want. It's no better than the Harley types who dismiss "rice rockets" or the sport bike crowd who dismiss the Harley riding style. I'm sure that Honda have researched the market for the XL1000 and found a suitably sized market of MOTORCYCLISTS who will buy it and enjoy it. Check your bigotry at the send button. Bob Palin, KLR650, ST1100, CBR600 and would like a Harley, a Ducati, a Norton, a BMW or two and any number of other weanie and want-a-be bikes. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sprecker > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 9:45 AM > To: klr650; Eric Rhoads > Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. > > > That's why I said it's another motorcycle for want-a-be's and weanies. > Another styling cue from Dakar. It will be an excellent street bike. Of > course it won't do what a KLR will. Neither will the Tiger, R1100GS, or > R100gs-pd, African twin, Transalp, blah blah blah. And a KLR > won't do what a > Legalized XR400, YZ400F, or even a XR600. > ----------------------------------------------- > > jsprecker@uswest.net < > ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Vibram(tm) soles and steel pegs-ooops! Date: 19 Sep 1998 12:29:24 -0600 As I was coming >to a stop, one of the soles got wedge-stuck in the steel peg, and I had >fallen almost halfway over at the stop before I was able to jerk free and >stabilize the bike. I don't think I could have recovered if the bike >weighed another 100 pounds, nonetheless, the whole thing made me think >about the design of boot soles and the fact that I better pay attention to >how hardware and clothing work together. I hate doing an Artie Johnson...did one right in front of Tim Bernard's trailer at Moab (I looked around quickly and I think he was already gone). The last one almost happened in the Custard stand parking lot. My son quick jumped off the bike and saved me... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Vibram(tm) soles and steel pegs-ooops! Date: 19 Sep 1998 12:38:31 -0600 Kurt Simpson wrote: > As I was coming > >to a stop, one of the soles got wedge-stuck in the steel peg, and I had > >fallen almost halfway over at the stop before I was able to jerk free and > >stabilize the bike. I don't think I could have recovered if the bike > >weighed another 100 pounds, nonetheless, the whole thing made me think > >about the design of boot soles and the fact that I better pay attention to > >how hardware and clothing work together. It's a rite of passage. You are now a Member. I did mine in Canada, while waiting for road construction repairing some muskeg frost-heave damage in Ontario. I started to put my foot down to click it into gear but the trouser leg captured the kickstart lever on the (1968 BSA Royal Star) and I went down, ass over teakettle into the mud. You should have been there. Woulda laughed yourself silly.... 8^) -- The Evil Wizard (still stepping in it) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 12:49:13 -0700 -----Original Message----- >It's just this kind of attitude that motorcycling doesn't need, calling >people names who buy a different kind of bike than you want. It's no better >than the Harley types who dismiss "rice rockets" or the sport bike crowd who >dismiss the Harley riding style. >++++++ Sounds like you got a bee in your bonnet. They can dismiss my rice burner if they want, I know they are in 'De Nile' heh heh ..... I'm tired of Harleys not waving back, now I wave if they do it first....usually the ones in the nazi helmets with the spike glued on top don't wave....like I'd care what they think anyway. I laugh at them, from a distance :) How come those guys (usually!) look like they have to go to the bathroom real bad? >I'm sure that Honda have researched the market for the XL1000 and found a >suitably sized market of MOTORCYCLISTS who will buy it and enjoy it. +++++ no doubt. And this group will be partly composed of those buying whose first consideration is whether their friends will be suitably impressed. The point is that these 'wannabe bikers' will be happy if their friends approve. So there's one form of enjoying it I guess. (I realize I'm making a very narrow point here) > >Check your bigotry at the send button. +++++ whatever.....but while it's quite nice to feel morally superior about an issue, it's more basic to show consideration for our humanity....which is not perfectly 'noble', but is always naturally human. eric > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Vibram(tm) soles and steel pegs-ooops! Date: 19 Sep 1998 13:02:34 -0700 -----Original Message----- > > >Kurt Simpson wrote: > >> As I was coming >> >to a stop, one of the soles got wedge-stuck in the steel peg, and I had >> >fallen almost halfway over at the stop before I was able to jerk free and >> >stabilize the bike. I don't think I could have recovered if the bike >> >weighed another 100 pounds, nonetheless, the whole thing made me think >> >about the design of boot soles and the fact that I better pay attention to >> >how hardware and clothing work together. > >It's a rite of passage. You are now a Member. I did mine in Canada, while waiting for >road construction repairing some muskeg frost-heave damage in Ontario. I started to put >my foot down to click it into gear but the trouser leg captured the kickstart lever on >the (1968 BSA Royal Star) and I went down, ass over teakettle into the mud. You should >have been there. Woulda laughed yourself silly.... 8^) > >-- The Evil Wizard (still stepping in it) > >+++++++ I know this isn't worth posting, but it's a slow day on the list isn't it? I have one complete fallover (including owwie) that's so embarrasing, as to how, that I wouldn't put it on the list for anything short of a substantial sum of money. By the way.....guess all you want, there's not money nor recognition in correctly doing so. Rite of passage? Bah! eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 16:07:53 -0500 Webster's BIGOT : a narrow-minded person who is intolerant of other creeds, opinions, races, etc Oh whaaaa. You can't see the humour in my remarks. Or you didn't read my other message. Lighten up! I would like to see you go shopping at the local Harley Shops around here and see if you can stand thier attitude and "bigotry" as you ride up on your non-american bikes. I went to test a Buell at the Harley shop, rode up on the KLX, and they wouldn't even say hello. If you feel this way then I'm sorry I offended you. The point was about the styling cues. And if somebody calls me a 'weanie' for riding a "underpowered Jap, rice burn-in KLR" then I'll call him a bonehead for getting his 550 pound GS stuck in the mud and dropping it on a rough rocky incline (which has happened). You missed my points about sales missleading and miss guiding people into believing something that isn't. I know Honda's researched the XL1000 for the Euro market. Just like the Transalp, African twin, super Tenre', and a host of other great bikes (and I did mention that I thought they were fantastic) that wouldn't sell here good here in America. And if I was rich, I would have an African Twin, Super Tenre' and a bunch of other stuff I'd buy through the Grey-market. If I wanted to called a bigot, I wouldn't be taking about motorcycles, I would be taking about politics. And there's plenty to take about on that subject. Here even the sport bike riders are displaying a bad attitude towards non-sport bikes. But Harley riders are the ones who have the really bad attitudes around here. Yes I have ment a few who are just regular guys, but a large portion of them are stuck-up and think thier poop doesn't stink and would ride right on by an accident if they saw it was a foreign bike. That's bigotry. > jsprecker@uswest.net < -----Original Message----- >It's just this kind of attitude that motorcycling doesn't need, calling >people names who buy a different kind of bike than you want. It's no better >than the Harley types who dismiss "rice rockets" or the sport bike crowd who >dismiss the Harley riding style. > >I'm sure that Honda have researched the market for the XL1000 and found a >suitably sized market of MOTORCYCLISTS who will buy it and enjoy it. > >Check your bigotry at the send button. > >Bob Palin, >KLR650, ST1100, CBR600 and would like a Harley, a Ducati, a Norton, a BMW or >two and any number of other weanie and want-a-be bikes. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sprecker >> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 9:45 AM >> To: klr650; Eric Rhoads >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. >> >> >> That's why I said it's another motorcycle for want-a-be's and weanies. >> Another styling cue from Dakar. It will be an excellent street bike. Of >> course it won't do what a KLR will. Neither will the Tiger, R1100GS, or >> R100gs-pd, African twin, Transalp, blah blah blah. And a KLR >> won't do what a >> Legalized XR400, YZ400F, or even a XR600. >> ----------------------------------------------- >> > jsprecker@uswest.net < >> ----------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000, bigotry, and videotape Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:08:29 -0600 Jim Sprecker wrote: > Webster's > BIGOT : a narrow-minded person who is intolerant of....etc > ...the ones who have the really bad attitudes around here. Yes I have ment a > few who are just regular guys, but a large portion of them are stuck-up and > think thier poop doesn't stink and would ride right on by an accident if they > saw it was a foreign bike. This is getting ugly, but one has to admit that it does reflect the behavior and attitudes we experience related to this matter. I myself have stopped to help broken-down [insert brand name here] rider, only to be insulted and threatened because I was riding a [insert other brand name here]. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:23:27 -0700 Bob Palin wrote: > It's just this kind of attitude that motorcycling doesn't need, calling > people names who buy a different kind of bike than you want. It's no better > than the Harley types who dismiss "rice rockets" or the sport bike crowd who > dismiss the Harley riding style. > > I'm sure that Honda have researched the market for the XL1000 and found a > suitably sized market of MOTORCYCLISTS who will buy it and enjoy it. > > Check your bigotry at the send button. > > Bob Palin, > KLR650, ST1100, CBR600 and would like a Harley, a Ducati, a Norton, a BMW or > two and any number of other weanie and want-a-be bikes. > snip. Bravo Bob! Well said sir! I sure wish I had a MUCH bigger garage with a bunch more bikes in it. Doubt there would be two of anything there either. beez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) NKLR a non-threatening bike Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:43:08 -0700 It's been entertaining reading this days' comments regarding bikers attitudes, etc. But Bruixot's (that's your name?) post was truly depressing. Makes me wonder what hope there is for us. I have figured out what a 'safe' bike is. There's a Harley riders hang-out I pass regularly, and apparently someone who works there rides one bike that must be safe, since it's always there, parked out front with the rest of them, or by itself when no one else is there. It is some ancient Honda (I think), has a tiny engine that looks more like an oversize model airplane engine....totally non-threatening, unpretentious, cute tiny thing it is....one step larger than a mo-ped. Is this the bike to end the pretense? I don't know, I wish we could get along. Motorcycles are all two-wheeled conveyances with some kind of engine, all equally able to fall down if allowed. I think different bikes just reflect different needs, mine reflects my needs in a bike. I guess some guy on a chopped Harley with tattoos and a nazi helmet with attached pointy spike, is trying to satisfy his needs too. (unkind comments deleted) thanks, eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Palin" Subject: (klr650) Bigotry discussion - Let's stop now Date: 19 Sep 1998 16:25:38 -0700 I started it and I'd like to stop it, there's nothing to be gained by fighting amongst ourselves, Jim and I have each made our points. Bob Palin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) Oscar Meyer wienies and want-a-be's to function vs. fashion Date: 19 Sep 1998 18:58:07 -0500 Fashion for $500 please. Amazing the response from me stating a view of wienies and want-a-be's. I understand individualality and self-expression and accept what other's ride regardless of the brand. Please read my other responses if you've found my remarks about wienies and want-a-be's to be offensive. If you want to go and buy a new Duc 916 and cruise Broadway that's fine. Or if you want to buy a CBR900 and race your buddies on some twisty public road that's your choice. Or maybee buy a new top-of-the line Harley because your friends have one and ride it 500 miles in 1 year then sell it, you have that option. If I meet somebody that's riding I'll wave period. And if I wave at a Harley rider and he wave's back then I smile even more. I don't think it's a good idea for unexperience people to jump on a new 150+mph 600cc or whatever and try to do what someone else has on some twisty road. (No I'm not attacking anyone just stating common sense.) But we've all seen what I've just described and curse the insurance industry for our high rates. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv But the point I was really making was about sales marketing and fashion. Perhaps deep in my heart I wish I could get one of these also.... http://home.sol.no/~psvendsr/xlv750r.htm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I appoligize for any offensivess and rudeness. Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Oscar Meyer wienies and want-a-be's to function vs. fashion Date: 19 Sep 1998 17:13:40 -0700 Jim Sprecker wrote: > Fashion for $500 please. > > Perhaps deep in my heart I wish I could get one of these also.... > http://home.sol.no/~psvendsr/xlv750r.htm > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ snippity snip WOW, that xlv750r is really neat! Only thing I might change is the rear end to chain rather than shaft. I suppose they never brought them to USA of course.... What years were they made? Were they pretty popular? Looks like what the trans-alp shoulda been. b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Missed a few.. Date: 19 Sep 1998 18:14:19 -0700 Man hard drives really despise humidity. I missed the link for the XL1000 (can I get it forwarded to me) , I need to make my own personal decision. Seeing that it has caused such a hoopla around here. Question: killed the battery on my klr (stupidity). I don't have a charger around and need the bike this week. I can get it started but my question is that does this damage the stator or anything involved with charging system, riding it to recharge the battery again. I know that it is very hard on an automotive alternator. Thanks, Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 19 Sep 1998 21:26:52 EDT In a message dated 9/19/98 11:31:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bob@bobpalin.com writes: << Check your bigotry at the send button. >> Amen! Kurt Grife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oscar Meyer wienies and want-a-be's to function vs. Date: 19 Sep 1998 23:24:41 -0400 > Fashion for $500 please. Gotta agree most of that plastic is for posers. A windshield is nice when it's cold or bug festing. Other than that, most of the plastic is only useful for sponsor stickers. I'll take function for $1000, thankyou. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bigotry discussion - Let's stop now Date: 19 Sep 1998 20:20:05 -0700 According to my dictionary bigot is " a man with a moustache. Morgan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Honda's XL1000 - forget the mud, rocks, trees. Date: 20 Sep 1998 14:54:39 +1000 Jim Sprecker wrote: > That's why I said it's another motorcycle for want-a-be's and weanies. > Another styling cue from Dakar. It will be an excellent street bike. Of > course it won't do what a KLR will. Neither will the Tiger, R1100GS, or > R100gs-pd, African twin, Transalp, blah blah blah. And a KLR won't do what a > Legalized XR400, YZ400F, or even a XR600. I think Jim has hit the nail on the head, here. The big XL would be a good all-road tourer, where "all-road" covers made roads, be they dirt or bitumen. Very much in the mould of Guzzi Quota and Ducati Elephant. Let's not forget the Tengai, which was the Kwaka entrant into the pseudo-Dakar market. All-road tourers probably make more sense in continents like Australia or Americas than they do in Europe, but what the hell, if the Euros want them they can have them if the marketing department does the sums and can predict a profit. Nobody's twisting my arm to buy a big XL. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Missed a few.. Date: 20 Sep 1998 15:02:56 +1000 Brian wrote: [...] > I can get it started but my > question is that does this damage the stator or anything involved with > charging system, riding it to recharge the battery again. I know that it > is very hard on an automotive alternator. I don't think it makes a lot of difference to a bike alternator. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but bike altos and regulators are different to a car alto/regulator. In a car, the regulator controls the strength of the rotating field. A bike has a constant field in the permanent magnets in the rotor. So the alto is always putting out max possible. The regulator decides how much to dump back into the bike earth, hence the large heatsink and finning that bike regulators have. If the regualtor decides to funnel more into the battery instead, so be it. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR a non-threatening bike Date: 20 Sep 1998 04:43:39 -0400 It's easy for me to see why I shouldn't wave at some bikers. But last month I started waving at everybody. A few guys who I never thought would respond, did. And some of the girlfriends of those who didn't, did. Couldn't catch any of them with my Watchtower, though. :-) Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) NKLR: DR800 Photo Date: 20 Sep 1998 08:41:53 -0400 http://www.thumper.simplenet.com/pix/DRBIG0.JPG is a photo of a DR800. I kinda like it. It has a BMW GS look to it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: DR800 Photo Date: 20 Sep 1998 09:08:28 -0600 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > > http://www.thumper.simplenet.com/pix/DRBIG0.JPG > > is a photo of a DR800. I kinda like it. It has a BMW GS look to it. GS? More like, "I am the walrus. Ku-ku-ka-chu...." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: NKLR Re: (klr650) Oscar Meyer wienies and want-a-be's to function vs. fashion Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:07:01 +1000 Jim Sprecker wrote: [...] > Perhaps deep in my heart I wish I could get one of these also.... > http://home.sol.no/~psvendsr/xlv750r.htm Ah yes, I remember those. I'm glad Jim posted the URL so that others can see what I've referred to a few times in the past. Oz got the black and maroon model. The fuel tank looked a lot bigger than the 20 litres it held, owing to the space taken by the airbox under the tank. The shaft drive was a nice feature, something I would have expected the new XL1000 to have used. On tight twisty roads, the XLV750 did well. I've been up against one on my KLR and have to admit the XLV was piloted harder. My opponent's bash plate routinely skimmed the road in corners. He was on Metzeler Saharas, and IIRC my KLR was on Pirelli MT40s at the time. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: DR800 Photo Date: 20 Sep 1998 10:21:48 -0700 ----->> http://www.thumper.simplenet.com/pix/DRBIG0.JPG >> >> is a photo of a DR800. I kinda like it. It has a BMW GS look to it. > >GS? More like, "I am the walrus. Ku-ku-ka-chu...." > +++++++++ Hmmmm.....with that pointy bodywork, seems like it's supposed to compliment visored helmets.......or is it just a male bike? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Gendreau Subject: (klr650) Oversize brake rotors Date: 20 Sep 1998 10:30:42 -0700 I read the article on MAP Engineering's front brake upgrade with interest. While I can't say I usually push the envelope of my KLR's performance, and while I usually don't feel the need to upgrade parts for rather marginal gains, I must say the front brake is an exception. I guess the bottom line is that panic stopping whilst commuting is gonna be a fact of life whether I intend it to be or not...sigh. Anyway, $400 still seems steep. I noticed that the company Brake makes an oversized rotor with a bracket to move the caliper (and pads) for a KLR650; it's in the Chaparral catalog and goes for $225. Steel brake lines would probably be another $50 or so? Does anyone have experience with these brakes? Thanks, Rob Rob Gendreau Oakland, California gendreau@ccnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: DR800 Photo Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:20:54 -0400 > Hmmmm.....with that pointy bodywork, seems like it's supposed to > compliment visored helmets.......or is it just a male bike? Could be the next bike for me...except that proboscis. What is that for? More money for Suzuki when I drop the bike? -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WingRJ@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Parting Out my KLR650 Date: 20 Sep 1998 22:57:39 EDT I have a 1990 KLR650 junker. I got it to get some expensive parts off of. Got those parts and fixed my problem. Now I need to get rid of the carcus. If interested, Email me wingrj@aol.com This is a repost, and some have previously responded, those need not respond, (unless you sant to) Bob 1990 KLR650 - Junker 1990 KLR650 - 61K miles (this is the one that got fixed, and is up fore sale) 1995 KLR650 - 6.5K miles and climbing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) Who Knew a XL1000 picture would stir things up? Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:09:14 -0600 Ok I fit into the category of the XL1000V. I'm a very sick person. I have the pictures to prove it. I take my street bike (A TDM850) off road frequently. It is a very heavy bike, but it is the Best Street bike I have ever had off road. The Honda is focused at adventure riding. See a road and you don't know where it goes or how bad it might be. I have been down many of those roads with my TDM and the biggest smile on the planet. It is wonderful to find a bike that can zip with a sport bike (at relatively normal speeds) AND be able to explore a dirt road. Of course the XL1000V will no be the first choice for a single track trail, but then again sometimes a KLR or KLX would be my first choice. The XL1000V would be my first choice to do Alaska all the way to Dead Horse. In Europe, they need to purchase one bike to do it all. Sometimes I feel like simplifying my life by going down to one or two bikes. The XL1000 is just such a bike that can do several things, commute, tour, light dirt, and it might be relatively sporty with the 90+ HP V-Twin. I DO love the European styling of the Rally bikes and we just don't get it here. The US market thrives on power. Power SELLS (except for Harleys, the sell on lust!). The XL1000V does have power and some amount of wheel travel and ground clearance. Big tank for distance. It is not bogged down in trying to be the best 1/4 mile time. Gotta love it for that. Here are just a few more translated specs on it. Around 95 HP V-1000 6.8 inches of front travel 6.1 inches of rear travel 485 Lb dry weight 6.5 Gallon tank 7.6 inches of ground clearance One big monster. Steven "scooter scum" Johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:36:33 -0600 Gentlemen (I realize I'm using the word loosely) and Ladies (Probabaly correct), A lot of you I'm sure get the J.C. Whitney catologue. Has anyone actually (not virtually) bought one of their helmets? Known someone that has? The "convertable" model caught my eye. Visor and/or a face shield + cheap. My Shoei is beginning to show too much character even for me and a new one now runs $400. Bogdan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: Frankenstein and Steamboat Springs Date: 20 Sep 1998 20:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Interesting bike, thanks for the report Ron. So Ron, did you move to Redondo for the bonus of the cool signature? Anyway, I just got back from the "Final" Steamboat Springs races. The general feeling among the racers and fans is disappointment and anger that this was to be the last street races. Apparently there is a big resort motel being developed inside the course loop which would essentially close down the resort access during the several hours each day of the races. Big bucks wins. The races were fun, my first time there. Lots of interesting machines cruising around. I saw 3 or four KLR650's and one KLR250. All unattended or on the streets, so I didn't get a chance to talk to anyone.(any other listers there?) One of the race officials rode around the track between races on a older KLR650 with the paint scheme like my '93 model. A good time was had by all. If anyone is still thinking of coming to the Colorado Springs Get-together please contact me. The leaves are just starting to turn and you'll have a fun trip. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hirofumi A. Watanabe" Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:36:59 -0700 On 19 Sep 1998 12:53:13 EDT, Cloudhid@aol.com wrote [edited] >Subject: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green > [...]The Diet: > Most of us admit that the klr is on the heavy side for dirt riding. Seems > that Green thought so too. Here's a list of what was replaced and what > was outright deleted.[...] > > 38MM stock forks and single piston brake swapped with a KX500's > beefy upside down 43MM fork and dual piston.[...] > [...]Steering was very quick. The brakes did _not_ live up to my > expectation. Todd had just replaced the pads, so maybe it was just > a matter of them not being seated yet. > http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/klrandkx.jpg/ > Redondo Ron (doing the dirty work so others won't have to) Thanks for the photos and write up my friend. I don't know about earlier KX500s, but the newer ones use a 46mm inverted fork, _not_ 43mm. Maybe you were thinking of one of those lesser bikes...like an XR ;-P I have no doubt that they are made to take more abuse than the KLR's stock 38mm leading axle forks. As you stated, your disappointment with the brakes may have been related to the pads and disc needing a chance to mate. It could also be that the KX500 brake was designed to stop a bike with a dry weight that is 120 lbs less than our beloved KLR. Maybe someone on the list with more suspension knowledge will weigh in on this. Hiro (who frequently finds himself cleaning up after Redondo Ron) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Pennsylvania Dreamin Date: 21 Sep 1998 08:20:06 You might find this interesting: Last night I had a dream (I really did and, as dream memories go, it was a long dream) in which Kawasaki was introducing a new 1000cc KLR. The bike was solid white but the real news was that the entire cylinder head was made of CERAMIC material instead of aluminum. The list was all buzzing about what could go wrong with a ceramic head. Unfortunately my dream didn't mention what the selling price would be. Please don't ask what I ate/drank/smoked before retiring. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:13:32 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906383612_boundary Content-ID: <0_906383612@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/18/98 8:59:45 PM EST, tedp@replicant.apana.org.au writes: << > I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires > which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm > wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and > wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so. Try different pressures, maybe go up to 25psi and see what it does, this I guess is still way below the tyre's max cold pressure. Check on the sidewall, most tyres will tell you this max figure. While every brand and model of tyre needs its own pressure, 21psi sounds a bit low to me for road use. I suspect the book pressures take into account offroad use, where 21psi sounds more appropriate. In my own case, I run about 28-30psi in my front Metzeler ME33 and anywhere from 30-36psi in the rear Metzeler ME55A. Mister_T >> I didn't tell you what pressure I changed to, did I? I'm running older style Gripsters front and rear, and I normally run 28 in the front, and 32 in the rear, unless I'm loading her down with gear, then I adjust accordingly. Thought I should add that to my note.... MN Ron (I'm slipping, maybe I better go for a ride!!) --part0_906383612_boundary Content-ID: <0_906383612@inet_out.mail.replicant.apana.org.au.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay28.mx.aol.com (relay28.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.28]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v50.5) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:59:43 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay28.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id VAA22095; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zKCHK-0006zJ-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:57:38 -0600 Received: from (zhora.replicant.apana.org.au) [203.12.238.34] by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zKCHE-0006vw-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:57:36 -0600 Received: (from smap@localhost) by zhora.replicant.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA10284 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:56:06 +1000 Received: from electra.replicant.apana.org.au(192.168.100.73) by zhora.replicant.apana.org.au via smap (V1.3) id xma010274; Sat, 19 Sep 98 11:55:44 +1000 Message-ID: <36030DE9.7B4E@replicant.apana.org.au> Organization: RC17 Proving Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (WinNT; I) References: <002401bde359$ba7b9e20$02000003@eroads> Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ted Palmer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Eric Rhoads wrote: [...] > I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires > which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm > wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and > wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so. Try different pressures, maybe go up to 25psi and see what it does, this I guess is still way below the tyre's max cold pressure. Check on the sidewall, most tyres will tell you this max figure. While every brand and model of tyre needs its own pressure, 21psi sounds a bit low to me for road use. I suspect the book pressures take into account offroad use, where 21psi sounds more appropriate. In my own case, I run about 28-30psi in my front Metzeler ME33 and anywhere from 30-36psi in the rear Metzeler ME55A. Mister_T --part0_906383612_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus_Young@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young) Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Frankenstein and Steamboat Springs Date: 21 Sep 1998 07:34:00 -0600 I was also in Steamboat for the final year, and saw two other KLRs, and one Tengai. For anyone traveling to Steamboat, I took a great route home. Buffale Pass is a dirt road, graded and in reasonable condition, which runs from Steamboat towards Walden directly west. It's about 35 miles and is a complete blast. After that if you're heading to the front range, one can ride over Cameron Pass and down the Poudre Canyon into Fort Collins. This is all paved, but it's turn after turn for almost 100 miles. I can't recall when I last had that big a grin on my face. I live in Denver, so after that it was 70 miles of Interstate. Only one problem the entire trip. Going over Buffalo Pass I evidently shook things up enough to loosen the bolts which mount the tail pipe. A few miles out of Walden it fell off. Thankfully I found it. A nice sould in a pickup truck gave it a lift into town (it was too hot for me to carry, even after 20 minutes). There I found the only repair shop open, and for $5 they hooked me up with a hose clamp and some bolts, getting me back on my way. The repair held up very well for the next 170 miles home. ~marcus~ 96 KLR rhefferan@yahoo.com writes: >Interesting bike, thanks for the report Ron. > > > >So Ron, did you move to Redondo for the bonus of the cool signature? > > Anyway, I just got back from the "Final" Steamboat Springs races. >The general feeling among the racers and fans is disappointment and >anger that this was to be the last street races. Apparently there is a >big resort motel being developed inside the course loop which would >essentially close down the resort access during the several hours each >day of the races. Big bucks wins. > The races were fun, my first time there. Lots of interesting >machines cruising around. I saw 3 or four KLR650's and one KLR250. All >unattended or on the streets, so I didn't get a chance to talk to >anyone.(any other listers there?) One of the race officials rode >around the track between races on a older KLR650 with the paint scheme >like my '93 model. > A good time was had by all. > If anyone is still thinking of coming to the Colorado Springs >Get-together please contact me. The leaves are just starting to turn >and you'll have a fun trip. >== >Rex (93 KLR650) > >For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see >http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm >(please remember to reload/refresh the page) > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:04:45 -0400 My A12 has the 'wobble' and increasing tire pressure from 25 to 30 cut it in half. Only starts wobbling between 70-75MPH. Kind of annoying... Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rcklr@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 9:14 AM In a message dated 9/18/98 8:59:45 PM EST, tedp@replicant.apana.org.au writes: << > I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires > which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm > wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and > wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so. Try different pressures, maybe go up to 25psi and see what it does, this I guess is still way below the tyre's max cold pressure. Check on the sidewall, most tyres will tell you this max figure. While every brand and model of tyre needs its own pressure, 21psi sounds a bit low to me for road use. I suspect the book pressures take into account offroad use, where 21psi sounds more appropriate. In my own case, I run about 28-30psi in my front Metzeler ME33 and anywhere from 30-36psi in the rear Metzeler ME55A. Mister_T >> I didn't tell you what pressure I changed to, did I? I'm running older style Gripsters front and rear, and I normally run 28 in the front, and 32 in the rear, unless I'm loading her down with gear, then I adjust accordingly. Thought I should add that to my note.... MN Ron (I'm slipping, maybe I better go for a ride!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 08:22:44 -0600 -----Original Message----- >My A12 has the 'wobble' and increasing tire pressure from 25 to 30 cut it in >half. Only starts wobbling between 70-75MPH. Kind of annoying... > >Steve I am wondering for you guys that have the "wobble" problem where your forks are setting in the triple clamps. I would think that they may be set too high and need to be lowered a little in the clamps. Try lowering the forks or raising the triple clamps about a half inch and see if that helps. If that is better try another half inch till they feel right. What this does is increase the angle of your forks and make it more stable at speed while sacrificing the quik turning at slower speeds. Be SURE that you retighten all the bolts you loosened to the correct torque specs. Fred Hink (torque to me) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR a non-threatening bike Date: 21 Sep 1998 07:34:00 -0700 This reflects my experience also. Female Harley riders almost always wave back, as do female passengers on Harleys. There's something to be said for unconditional politeness. (A point we might all bear in mind, considering some of the recent traffic on this list.) Dreas > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Heaslet [SMTP:stuart@heaslet.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 1:44 AM > > It's easy for me to see why I shouldn't wave at some bikers. But last > month I started waving at everybody. A few guys who I never thought > would > respond, did. And some of the girlfriends of those who didn't, did. > > Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:01:16 -0400 Hi Folks, I get wobble sometimes at hwy speeds of 70mph or greater. I noticed that for me this is only an occasional problem. I was thinking that wind speed and direction may also be a factor. Anyway, has anyone thought of installing a steering damper? I was thinking that this might help and I may try it. Mark At 8:22 AM 9/21/98, Fred Hink wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Young >To: klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 8:06 AM >Subject: RE: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR > > >>My A12 has the 'wobble' and increasing tire pressure from 25 to 30 cut it >in >>half. Only starts wobbling between 70-75MPH. Kind of annoying... >> >>Steve > > >I am wondering for you guys that have the "wobble" problem where your forks >are setting in the triple clamps. I would think that they may be set too >high and need to be lowered a little in the clamps. Try lowering the forks >or raising the triple clamps about a half inch and see if that helps. If >that is better try another half inch till they feel right. What this does >is increase the angle of your forks and make it more stable at speed while >sacrificing the quik turning at slower speeds. Be SURE that you retighten >all the bolts you loosened to the correct torque specs. > >Fred Hink (torque to me) >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Arrowhead Motorsports >http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html > 435-259-7356 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:34:44 -0400 I've got to disagree Fred. Lowering the front end will decrease the rake and quicken the steering, making it even twitchier. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario -----Original Message----- >I am wondering for you guys that have the "wobble" problem where your forks >are setting in the triple clamps. I would think that they may be set too >high and need to be lowered a little in the clamps. Try lowering the forks >or raising the triple clamps about a half inch and see if that helps. If >that is better try another half inch till they feel right. What this does >is increase the angle of your forks and make it more stable at speed while >sacrificing the quik turning at slower speeds. Be SURE that you retighten >all the bolts you loosened to the correct torque specs. > >Fred Hink (torque to me) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:26:54 -0400 I'm positive the weave is caused entirely by the KLR's relatively light weight and those extra wide handlebars. By clamping the gas tank with my knees and completely relaxing my grip on the bars it goes away completely. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario -----Original Message----- >My A12 has the 'wobble' and increasing tire pressure from 25 to 30 cut it in >half. Only starts wobbling between 70-75MPH. Kind of annoying... > >Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roundr1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) The Hippy, Hippy Shake... Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:44:07 EDT In a message dated 9/19/98, Eric Rhoads and Ted Palmer wrote: >[...] >> ...I have the wobble. I don't like it at all. I still have the stock tires >> which I keep at factory spec pressure (21lbs.) From what you'e saying, I'm >> wondering if this wobble has something to do with the tires....and >> wondering if it might go to hell (away) if I change tires...I can hope so... > >...Try different pressures, maybe go up to 25psi and see what it does, >this I guess is still way below the tyre's max cold pressure. Check >on the sidewall, most tyres will tell you this max figure... >Mister_T ............The wobble I've felt above 75mph (indicated) has been more pronounced when I'm sitting in the most rearward position on the saddle. The shake is considerably lessened when I press the family jewels up against the gas tank. BTW, thank you Mister_T for the suggestion to use a sheepskin cover when riding around naked with my grandmother. She enjoyed it immensely. Can I just throw it in the washer now or do I need to get it dry cleaned ? TIA John Oldepus - 96 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:18:58 -0400 Sorry Fred, after re-reading your post I realized we are in agreement. Your post was aimed at those with the forks sticking up through the top triple clamp. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario -----Original Message----- >If you read what I said, I completely agree. > >Fred > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Sim >To: Fred Hink ; Steve Young ; >klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 10:40 AM >Subject: Re: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR > > >>I've got to disagree Fred. >>Lowering the front end will decrease the rake and quicken >>the steering, making it even twitchier. >> >>Dave Sim >>Kitchener, Ontario >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Fred Hink >> >>>I am wondering for you guys that have the "wobble" problem where your >forks >>>are setting in the triple clamps. I would think that they may be set too >>>high and need to be lowered a little in the clamps. Try lowering the >forks >>>or raising the triple clamps about a half inch and see if that helps. If >>>that is better try another half inch till they feel right. What this does >>>is increase the angle of your forks and make it more stable at speed while >>>sacrificing the quik turning at slower speeds. Be SURE that you retighten >>>all the bolts you loosened to the correct torque specs. >>> >>>Fred Hink (torque to me) >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Damn thermostat Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:04:43 Replaced the thermostat over the weekend. Very easy to do. However, when I removed the old thermostat, I didn't find a damaged o-ring as I expected. In fact, the o-ring looked perfectly normal. OK. I installed the new thermostat with o-ring after making sure there were no burrs or imperfections on the thermostat seat in the head and on the thermostat cover. Lovingly torqued the three screws, added one pint of new anti-freeze and washed everything off with water. Started up the engine and let it warm up. Still leaks. Same amount, same place. Shit. Take it all apart again and re-check everything. Still very easy to do but not quite as much fun now. Don't see anything abnormal. Carefully and lightly pull the mating surface of the thermostat cover over fine emery cloth laid on a flat surface to clean off any possible rough spots. Housing cleans up right away. Put it all back together and torque/add/wash/start/warm-up. Still leaks; same amount, same place. Goddam piece of shit motorcycle. Put it in the shed. Went into house and chased wife around kitchen. Kids came home. YAAAAAAAAAA. Took a nap. The only thing I can think of is that the counterbore in the head that the thermostat seats in is a little too deep and the cover can't quite squeeze the o-ring completely when attached. Anybody been there, done that? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Damn thermostat Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:35:27 -0400 Is there supposed to be a gasket between the head and the thermostat housing? or does the thermostat get pinched around the edges to make a gasket? You might want to try some RTV on it. > > Replaced the thermostat over the weekend. Very easy to do. However, when > I removed the old thermostat, I didn't find a damaged o-ring as I > expected. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Steamboat Springs Date: 21 Sep 1998 11:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Hi Marcus, I forgot about the Tengai when I posted last night. I saw it parked on the street near 7th in front of the Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory. I noted that the swingarm had been polished, not a bad custom idea for a mostly street use machine. Maybe other listers would like to do that to their bike. Shouldn't be too much work. Heck, I might even do it to mine, but I've already scuffed it on rocks. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (please remember to reload/refresh the page) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Frankenstein and Steamboat Springs Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:26:02 EDT On 9/20/98, rhefferan@yahoo.com wrote: Snip >Interesting bike, thanks for the report Ron. > >So Ron, did you move to Redondo for the bonus of the cool signature? >Rex (93 KLR650) >For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see > http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm >(please remember to reload/refresh the page) It was my pleasure Rex. I still hope to get free for the get-together. I'm interested in sampling the trails you've described on your site and putting some more faces to all these screen names. Redondo Ron (who blames landing here on a simple twist of fate) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:26:38 EDT On 9/21/98, hawatanabe@earthlink.net wrote: snip >It could also be that the KX500 brake was designed to stop a bike with >a dry weight that is 120 lbs less than our beloved KLR. Maybe someone >on the list with more suspension knowledge will weigh in on this. >Hiro (who frequently finds himself cleaning up after Redondo Ron) Thanks for pointing out my mistake on the fork diameter. You might be on to something regarding the weight as well. But I'd be careful about the "cleaning up after me" thread. I could always tell them about 1975 in Burnaby...... :-p Redondo Ron (who has done his share as a cleaner) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) The Hippy, Hippy Shake... Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:28:12 EDT On 9/21/98, Roundr1@aol.com wrote: snip >The shake is >considerably lessened when I press the family jewels up against the gas >tank. BTW, thank you Mister_T for the suggestion to use a sheepskin cover >when riding around naked with my grandmother. She enjoyed it immensely. >Can I just throw it in the washer now or do I need to get it dry cleaned ? >TIA John Oldepus - 96 KLR650 My wobble experience (with my forks flush in the clamp) is the same as Dave Sim and yourself. I don't know sheep from shinola about cleaning your pelt, so I can't help you with that. However depending on how intimate a relationship you have with granny, you might look in the archives for an early post of mine that can help you get more of your passenger's weight over the front wheel to lessen that hippy, hippy shake. Redondo Ron (who personally wouldn't fork around with an Oedipus complex) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Kindarji" Subject: (klr650) Tampa - Montreal - Tampa (NKLR) Date: 21 Sep 1998 17:41:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDE587.1B645DB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0011_01BDE587.1B645DB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01BDE587.1B645DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First I would like to thank everybody who helped me getting myself ready for the trip, then I would like the thank the List and all those people that keeps it alive everyday. Thank you everybody. Although I'm not a hard-core biker but a person that enjoys driving my bike everyday, I learned a lot from your everyday postings and I did my first oil change and oil-filer change in the middle of my trip (and very proud of myself should I add). I have still a lot to learn about sprockets, dynajet, ... Here's a long summary of my trip. When i first thought about it , i told myself the idea was crazy and i was expecting my wife to freak out! But guess what , she didn't! I guess she knew I needed the challenge So I started planning for the trip.Tampa , Montreal on my Kawasaki bike is definately easier said than done . Believe me when I say it, because I did it! 1500 miles is not a short trip! What is the safest , shortest way? Let's start! First, the maps! Of course, my PC (stands for Perfect Companion!) was a great help, using Rand McNally Deluxe Edition, I printed 3 copies of the itinerary (one for my wife, two for me in case I threw one out of frustration on the road!) On the other hand , all those years I spent as a Boy Scout came on handy , my survial kit for instance was updated.... I knew I had to travel light , so 4 T-shirts 2 shorts, underwear, blabla...backpack, my alarm set at 5A.M (as if I 'll get any sleep that night) and I went to bed... 5:00 AM I am actually going to do it ! Shower.. 5:30 AM VRRRRRRRR.... I am on my way.... 10:30 AM Have you ever been on a motorcycle for more than an hour? 5 or 6 for example? I guess God didn't create these legs for this particular purpose in mind! I had some weird reactions : while my lower back was busy acking me increasingly , my legs were spreading and spreading.... When I looked really funny on the bike , I had to stop , rest , refuel, leave a message for Nathalie on the beeper with the miles i have already put behind me! My first encounter was at Virginia : Tattoes on his arm, ring in his ear, eye brow, nose, lip and tong, Kevin and his bike were going my way too! He ended uo calling me "slave driver!" because I wouldn't stop every hour for his "smoke"!, Albany was his destination and I promised to gety him there early next day. I am afraid I have to tell you we shared a room that night , I can't recall everything happening during that night ! I only remember waking up with a pierced ear and "Kevin for ever " tattoed on my arm! (Please note that is a joke , I also informed my lawyer about this comment just to make sure nobody can sue me because of it and that it is not Starr report material! 5:00 AM A man with a mission! that's me! "on the road again" 3 Hours of sleep was all "Slave Driver" needed to be back on his feet and face the next part odf the Trip (Kevin still hates me for that). At the risk of something romantic , I enjoyed thoses sunrises and the views ! Those beautiful colors that change by the second , all the serenity of the mountains. Where are we every morning when those beauties are unfolding ? This is really breathtaking .I am trying to take in as much as I can (I remembered Forest Gump and his desire to run for years and trying to be one with his surroundings). I guess our species have weird needs sometimes: to challenge oneself to ones limits .... Miles are running so quickly before me and I noticed that after all those miles , I could tell how many different kind of gravel, pavement materials they used on thoses highways. Different shades of grey, different shades of black...I also encounter an alligator on the side of the highway , huge deer killed , and oh let's not forget the thousands of insects dying on my helmet... Miles are running so quickly before me . Every 2 hours , stop , refuel, rest for 10 or 15 minutes and n my way again.. Pretty soon it was like a routine and by the ned of the day , I was approaching the canadian border... I was getting really cold and I had to stop for 20 minutes inside the station to warm up again... After the paper work was done , I started the motorcycle under the rain , but what the heck? I have seen worse... The rain turned into a crazy storm , winds was pushing cars off the highway, so I along with many cars had to pull on the side and stop . WAter was pouring in , I was chilled to my bone . One car driver took pity on me and let me in his car to warm up HAVE YOU EVER SHAKEN FROM HEAD TO TOE , UNABLE T ARTICULATE A WORD ? YEP ! THAT WAS ME! After a while the storm eased and I headed to my father's house under the rain. Forget about my glorious arrival! I was dreaming of a hot shower and dry clothes! Not even Demi Moore herself wouldn't have made me happier at that point! I will never forget the expression on my father 's face. He didn't know I was coming and he was trying to figure out how the heck I was standing in front of him and why I WAS SOOOO MISERABLE? Shower , dry clothes and an hour later , the VIBRATIONS in my head were still there ! BUZZING IN MY EAR ... 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I finally traced the problem to the 7 beers I'd have before I went for my rides. West ( Tongue planted firmly in cheek) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linus Subject: (klr650) Storing the KLR Date: 22 Sep 1998 08:33:40 +0800 Hi Folks, What would be the correct way to store a KLR for a month.I`m afraid that the battery might go flat and the engine unable to start due to oxidation.Will the carbs get rusted?What about the effects of storing the a bike, have on it`s parts(brakes etc). Thanking you in advance Linus Tengai-90 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) NKLR: MuZ Baghira Date: 21 Sep 1998 18:59:25 -0600 Has any one ridden this bike? I looks really cool, and am interested in maybe getting one come spring. Also looking at the Mastiff. I'm really starting to get into the Thumper thing. The Baghira only costs $6,200. I would also be the only one in NM. I like being original. I love the look of the Mastiff but it is $7,200. I don't think I like it that much. What are yawl's thoughts? Later josh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) storage...burial Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:51:24 -0600 What would be the correct way to store a KLR for a month.I`m afraid >that the battery might go flat and the engine unable to start due to >oxidation.Will the carbs get rusted?What about the effects of storing the >a bike, have on it`s parts(brakes etc). >Thanking you in advance >Linus >Tengai-90 Dig a large hole in the sand, fire it up and make a suicide plunge into the hole, get off the bike and shrink wrap it...bury it with the sand...be sure and put a vent in the top.... Kurt A12 Seriously, probably wouldn't have to worry if it was just a month...but take your pick among the following. Add some STABIL or Fuel stabilizer...fill the tank to the top, ride the bike home. Wash, wax and polish the bike. Remove the gas tank. Remove the plug, squirt some oil in the cylinder. Put the plug back in. Leave the wire off, crank the starter a couple of times. Remove the battery and put it on a battery tender. Get the bike on a centerstand and weight off the tires. Drain the float bowl on the carb. Plug the exhaust. Cover the bike...Now bury it.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Storing the KLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:41:02 -0600 >What would be the correct way to store a KLR for a month.I`m afraid >that the battery might go flat and the engine unable to start due to >oxidation.Will the carbs get rusted?What about the effects of storing the >a bike, have on it`s parts(brakes etc). >Thanking you in advance >Linus >Tengai-90 Dig a large hole in the sand, fire it up and make a suicide plunge into the hole, get off the bike and shrink wrap it...bury it with the sand...be sure and put a vent in the top.... Kurt A12 Seriously, probably wouldn't have to worry if it was just a month...but take your pick among the following. Add some STABIL or Fuel stabilizer...fill the tank to the top, ride the bike home. Wash, wax and polish the bike. Remove the gas tank. Remove the plug, squirt some oil in the cylinder. Put the plug back in. Leave the wire off, crank the starter a couple of times. Remove the battery and put it on a battery tender. Get the bike on a centerstand and weight off the tires. Drain the float bowl on the carb. Plug the exhaust. Cover the bike...Now bury it.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Subject: (klr650) Fan on when? Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:21:11 -0700 I Just purchased a new used (97) KLR650. Paid $3700 out the door from a dealer, the bike has 6565 miles and looks good. Beats the $5200 they want for a new one. Running in traffic the temp runs pretty hot. Thought Id check the fan out, I let it warm pretty good at idle, but the fan never seems to come on. So, can anybody tell me when the fan should typically come on? I pulled / disconnected the thermal sensor wire and the fan still didnt come on. I wasnt brave enough to short the wire to ground. Maybe this would make it come on. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Fan on when? Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:37:18 EDT On 9/21/98, shilka@primenet.com wrote: snip > Running in traffic the temp runs pretty hot. Thought Id check the >fan out, I let it warm pretty good at idle, but the fan never seems to >come on...... Congrats on your new bike Tony. My fan only kicks in on the hottest of days or when I run over 5500 rpm for awhile. If your bike is brand new, you're not exceeding that during break-in. I rode a '92 klr last week that had it's fan removed altogether. It's been running like a champ for years that way. I wouldn't be concerned if it doesn't come on unless your gauge reaches the thick line all the way to the right. Redondo Ron (who's not often accused of being all the way to the right) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Fan on when? Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:34:54 +1000 Tony wrote: > Beats the $5200 they want for a new one. Wel come aboard. Sounds like a fair deal. > Running in traffic the temp runs pretty hot. Thought Id check the > fan out, I let it warm pretty good at idle, but the fan never seems to > come on. FWIW, my 600 fan engages at around 3/4 up the gauge. > So, can anybody tell me when the fan should typically come > on? I pulled / disconnected the thermal sensor wire and the fan still > didnt come on. I wasnt brave enough to short the wire to ground. Maybe > this would make it come on. If you are referring to the wire on the sensor in the radiator, grounding is how it operates. That's all the switch does, switches in and out at book defined temps. When you ground that wire, you should hear the relay click and the fan should run. If it runs, suspect the sensor. They are not particularly reliable. I replaced the sensor on my 600 early in its life and it has worked properly ever since. Then again, with the extra capacity of the 600's twin rads I hardly ever need it. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR: MuZ Baghira pics Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:35:13 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 7:44 PM -----Original Message----- Go to www.motorradna.com, choose to look at MuZ motorcycles. Tell me what you think. Josh '92KLR650 > >++++++++ do you have a web address I can see it at? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fan on when? NKLR Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:43:44 -0700 -- >On 9/21/98, shilka@primenet.com wrote: snip > >> Running in traffic the temp runs pretty hot. Thought Id check the >>fan out, I let it warm pretty good at idle, but the fan never seems to >>come on...... > > Congrats on your new bike Tony. My fan only kicks in on the hottest > of days or when I run over 5500 rpm for awhile. If your bike is brand > new, you're not exceeding that during break-in ++++++++++++++ Ron.....he's saying it's new/used....has 6k miles on it .....I notice my fan comes on more than it seems his is.....(Tony, you mean you never heard it run, ever?) ...my needle doesn't usually go past the half way mark...but the fan is occasionally running when I turn the engine off or shortly thereafter.....so my guess is it may not be working properly. Difficult to say from my armchair here....Tony, try putting power to the fan and see if it comes on. eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Subject: (klr650) Re: Fan on when? Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:45:31 -0700 Ok, I shorted the temp sensor wire on the bottom of the radaitor to ground. No Fan, I even started the bike, still no fan. I bet its a wiring problem, but how come the gage didnt move? I was expecting the gage to go full scale. Ok Mister_T, you said its just a thermal switch, Ill buy that. The temp gage must get its temp info from another sensor. Tony Tony wrote: > I Just purchased a new used (97) KLR650. Paid $3700 out the door from a > dealer, the bike has 6565 miles and looks good. > Beats the $5200 they want for a new one. > Running in traffic the temp runs pretty hot. Thought Id check the > fan out, I let it warm pretty good at idle, but the fan never seems to > come on. So, can anybody tell me when the fan should typically come > on? I pulled / disconnected the thermal sensor wire and the fan still > didnt come on. I wasnt brave enough to short the wire to ground. Maybe > this would make it come on. > Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Subject: (klr650) Still No Fan Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:52:48 -0700 Never have heard the fan come on yet. Does your fan run with the key off or the bike not running? So there is a relay? I know what Ill be doing tomorrow. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Pennsylvania Dreamin Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:47:13 +1000 R. Kaub wrote: > Last night I had a dream (I really did and, as dream memories go, it was a > long dream) in which Kawasaki was introducing a new 1000cc KLR. The bike I've sometimes pondered the possibility of a 1300cc parallel twin KLR...kickstart not included. > was solid white but the real news was that the entire cylinder head was > made of CERAMIC material instead of aluminum. > The list was all buzzing about what could go wrong with a ceramic head. Brittleness and a bad reaction to detonation? A ceramic coated chamber and exhaust port might be a good compromise. > Unfortunately my dream didn't mention what the selling price would be. > Please don't ask what I ate/drank/smoked before retiring. Thanks. I know Thai chilli crab can liven up my dreams a bit, and not always for the better. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) NKLR: california corridor Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:16:32 -0700 Fellow Listers- Thought I'd forward a response to my request for info on a planned train route that would haul bikes and riders to LA from Seattle and back. Also I've attached a URL with info on a route that is already hauling bikes on the "right" coast. Cheers, Darrel A12 "Avenger" http://www.amtrak.com/amtrak/travel/east/autotrain.html > ---------- > From: Cindy Ray > To: elcid24@gte.net > Subject: Re: california corridor > Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 12:56 PM > > Hi Darrel, > Amtrak is currently planning to add an "auto train" to the Coast Starlight. > We had hoped to have it running by Summer 1999. Our biggest obstacle > seems to be finding someone to build the carriers. > Once in service, the plan is to accept autos from end points only (Los > Angeles to Seattle and from Seattle to Los Angeles.) The auto carriers > are not designed yet, so I can't tell you whether or not we will be > transporting motorcycles. I also have no fares yet. > www.amtrak.com is probably the best place to watch for an annoucement of > service. We tend to finalize, set fares and announce all at once! > Thank you for asking. > Cindy Ray > Amtrak West Marketing > rayc@amtrak.com > > >>> 09/19 8:06 PM >>> > Name Darrel Kuhse > Message: Interested in information on shipping my > motorcycle and me on a train from LA to Seattle, WA. I hear that > the route with this service is to become available early next year. > Interested in the cost. > Thanks for your time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Amtrak connection uhhh correction Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:20:03 -0700 Oops...here's the actual URLs for the East Coast trains that haul bikes (thanks Ron!) Darrel A12 Amtr= ak: Plan Your Trip - Routes & Services (Aut=C9 Amtrak: Routes & Services - Trains & Routes (A=C9 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green Date: 22 Sep 1998 01:28:03 -0500 (CDT) Hey guys, I was thinking about the thread a while back on improving the front brakes by fitting a different higher power caliper. It was brought up that the only way to fit a better caliper up front was to replace the forks with a pair that would accept that caliper, for example by fitting tengai forks along with the tengai dual pots. But as I was reading the october Cycle World, I saw (on p.23) a quick snippet on the MAP engineering brake kit for dual sports, and noticed the caliper adapter bracket used to move the caliper out further to accomdate the rotor. Wouldn't it be relatively simple to buy a MAP rotor and machine one of these brackets (they look relatively straight forward) to fit on to the stock KLR forks, but to accept better caliper. To me this would seem like a great set up, a big fat rotor mated to a big fat caliper. The only problem I can think of is that a setup like this could twist the forks into a pretzel without some sort of fork bracing. Any comments? Is this feasible, or am I on crack? Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Frankenstein...MAP Brakes Date: 22 Sep 1998 02:47:14 EDT On 9/21/98, aviator@csd.uwm.edu wrote: snip >Wouldn't it be relatively simple to buy a MAP rotor and machine one of >these brackets to fit on to the stock KLR forks, but to accept better caliper. >To me this would seem like a great set up, a big fat rotor mated to a big fat >caliper. The only problem I can think of is that a setup like this could twist >the forks into a pretzel without some sort of fork bracing. Any comments? >Is this feasible, or am I on crack? >Carlos I know that as a pilot you wouldn't be doing any contraindicated drugs. M.A.P. already makes a larger floating dual caliper with an adapter bracket. Several on the list here swear by them. Bracing the forks sounds like a good addition to me. Here's the site with pics and prices. http://www.silcom.com/~shadaaap/brakes.htm brakes Capt. Redondo (CA) Ron (who's just trying to get an even break) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...MAP Brakes Date: 22 Sep 1998 02:59:26 EDT On 9/21/98, Cloudhid@aol.com - committed perjury: >M.A.P. already makes a larger floating dual caliper I apologize to the listers. My mind has been so full of info these past years that I sometimes forget what I know. MAP doesn't list dual calipers for our klr. Something or other Ron (who should double check his own prescriptions) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tiktalk@seanet.com Subject: (klr650) What does not kill us makes us stronger..... Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:04:02 -0700 OK, I am NOT posting this because I need to know what I did wrong. I knew what I did wrong before after and during the accident. Oh well, my brain took a dump on me and I made some bad decisions - and I am still looking for the root cause of this bad decision making. Hopefully there are some lessons for everyone. I high sided this weekend on pavement. Ugh! I knew better than to lock up the rear tire but, I did it anyways. I knew better than to let off the brake during the slide, I did it anyways..... Sometimes I do stupid things (Still trying to correct that). Anyways. High - side was on right hand side landed and slid about 2' with bike on right leg stopped with r/h foot ON peg and hands on bars. Observations: Thaaaat hurt. I was very, very lucky. Damage to KLR Broken choke lever Shocks moved 1.5 - 2" up in clamps and twisted slightly (go figure?)(shocks adjusted after accident OK.) right brush guard scratched (I am not making this up, I can not find any additional damage) Damage to rider Shaken up large bruise and swelling on right fore arm near elbow (no broken bones) and looking good today. Very mild abrasion on r/h leg (abrasions gone today) General r/h rib soreness (no longer present today) Equipment Wrangler jeans - rivet and pant leg slightly scuffed (Yes I Know there are better riding pants) Kilamanjaro jacket - no damage at all Herman survivors 9" boots - r/h 0.1" gouge and light scratches Gloves - no damage Shoei RF700 - large r/h paint scratch (candidate for replacement due to the large 'bonk' I heard on impact) unless I can find an ultrasound at work... ok, accident was avoidable, but, lessons learned: KLR is one tough bike (How did the choke get broken???? of all things) AND Good/decent gear can turn a potentially fatal crash into a walk away incident. AND Don't do this again. I hope this does not happen to any other KLR riders...Thank for letting me share my story. Mike '89 KLR in Everett WA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Fan on when? Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:37:01 +1000 Tony wrote: > Ok, I shorted the temp sensor wire on the bottom of the radaitor to > ground. No Fan, I even started the bike, still no fan. I bet its a wiring > problem, but how come the gage didnt move? I was expecting the gage to go > full scale. Ok Mister_T, you said its just a thermal switch, Ill buy that. > The temp gage must get its temp info from another sensor. The radiator switch is just an on/off switch. The fan should come on even when the bike is switched off. The gauge gets its sense from a sensor (variable resistor) on the cylinder head near the spark plug. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Still No Fan Date: 22 Sep 1998 06:59:10 -0700 At 09:52 PM 9/21/98 -0700, Tony wrote: >Never have heard the fan come on yet. Does your fan run with the key >off or the bike not running? So there is a relay? I know what Ill be >doing tomorrow. You need to check and see if the fan is even turning. Mine siezed once and we had to force some lube into the bearings to free it up. As fans go, the KLRs is not very impressive. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fan on when? NKLR Date: 22 Sep 1998 06:46:57 -0500 My 98 does this too. Runs sometimes even without the key right after shutoff, but runs for only about 10 seconds. Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < ++++++++++++++ > >Ron.....he's saying it's new/used....has 6k miles on it .....I notice my fan >comes on more than it seems his is.....(Tony, you mean you never heard it >run, ever?) ...my needle doesn't usually go past the half way mark...but >the fan is occasionally running when I turn the engine off or shortly >thereafter.....so my guess is it may not be working properly. Difficult to >say from my armchair here....Tony, try putting power to the fan and see if >it comes on. > >eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 07:57:23 -0400 All the talk about ZERO valve clearance has made me curious (and maybe paranoid). I took a look at the shop manual and can't understand how shims (or anything else) could wear and reduce the value clearance to ZERO. Help me understand this. Also, what does running at ZERO harm? Thanks, Pat 9,000 miles with no adjustments (yet) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 08:14:39 -0400 When your valve clearance becomes tighter, its because the valve faces are wearing into the seats a bit. Excessive tightness might be a cause for concern. Setting your clearances too tight can result in extra wear on cams, possibly some loss of compression. Another thing on the KLR to be concerned with is cam timing. As the camchain wears, the cams will tilt outwards from the proper positions at TDC. Line the T mark on the flywheel up with the notch on the case and the cams should line up with the top of the head, lobes facing outwards. If they are facing in, spin the crank over another revolution to the T mark. Some wear is normal, excessive wear can cause some nasty changes in timing and possibly result in valve - piston contact. > -----Original Message----- > From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com > [SMTP:PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:57 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) Valve Clearance > > All the talk about ZERO valve clearance has made me curious (and maybe > paranoid). > > I took a look at the shop manual and can't understand how shims (or > anything else) could wear and reduce the value clearance to ZERO. > > Help me understand this. Also, what does running at ZERO harm? > > Thanks, > Pat > 9,000 miles with no adjustments (yet) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 06:24:10 -0600 -----Original Message----- > All the talk about ZERO valve clearance has made me curious (and maybe > paranoid). > > I took a look at the shop manual and can't understand how shims (or > anything else) could wear and reduce the value clearance to ZERO. It is the valve face and the valve seat that does the wearing. The valve will wear into the seat and move the valve towards the cams and shims. As long as you keep good oil in your bike then the cams and shims hardly ever have any wear. Or at least the wear on the valve face and seat are more than the wear on the cam and shim. I think alot of the wear is determined by the speed you run your engine at too. The higher RPMs you run at the more wear at the cams and shims (loose clearance) and the slower you run the more wear at the valve and seat (tight clearance). > > Help me understand this. Also, what does running at ZERO harm? If you have "zero" clearance when the engine is cold then when the engine warms up the valves won't be completely closed (hot metal expands you know) and cause the valve and seat to burn up with the extra heat leaking past them. It is also not good for the cams as well. You need a little clearance between the cam and shim to allow oil to stay on the cam to keep it lubed. The old Honda CB/CL 450s had a valve clearance of .001" and if they weren't exactly right then you had big trouble. Fred > > Thanks, > Pat > 9,000 miles with no adjustments (yet) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Pennsylvania Dreamin Date: 22 Sep 1998 06:34:25 -0600 >R. Kaub wrote: > >> Last night I had a dream (I really did and, as dream memories go, it was a >> long dream) in which Kawasaki was introducing a new 1000cc KLR. The bike > Bob, must be the meds you are on from the accident...this will pass my son...this will pass. Or, as Eric says you are in De Nile about trying to fix your thermo yourself instead of having it done under warranty...so, it is really a subliminal thing...(;-) Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR What does not kill us makes us stronger..... Date: 22 Sep 1998 06:45:32 -0600 >Hopefully there are some lessons for everyone. > >Mike '89 KLR in Everett WA. I try to benefit from every accident report...tell my kids tell my SO "another lister crashed yesterday...that is number ? out of 300"...sorry for your accident glad you're in good shape. Gino had the same reaction to how well his bike held up... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Frankenstein...by Team Green Date: 22 Sep 1998 07:00:39 -0600 >Hey guys, > >I was thinking about the thread a while back on improving the front brakes >by fitting a different higher power caliper. It was brought up that the >only way to fit a better caliper up front was to replace the forks with a >pair that would accept that caliper, for example by fitting tengai forks >along with the tengai dual pots. But as I was reading the october Cycle >World, I saw (on p.23) a quick snippet on the MAP engineering brake kit >for dual sports, and noticed the caliper adapter bracket used to move the >caliper out further to accomdate the rotor. Wouldn't it be relatively >simple to buy a MAP rotor and machine one of these brackets (they look >relatively straight forward) to fit on to the stock KLR forks, but to >accept better caliper. I'm not the guy to do it (time mostly) but I know this is the direction that we need to move over the next 10 years with our bikes...Again, for the curious, just lurk on the Hawk list for a week and you'll see post after post of people getting whole new/used F2/F3 front forks and brake setups for $600 with vast improvements. The front end on the KLR has a problem, the wobble is not being imagined by a dozen of us. With a lot of turbulence mine feels terrible. The brakes suck..they are inadequate for the all purpose use most of us give the bike. Frankly, my rear brake sucks too. So, somewhere in the high fender, unbraced, spindly fork, single piston, small rotor thing, there is a challenge just waiting for the more talented among us to find the low priced solution to. The KX-500 Team Green thing might be 1/2 the solution but the brake rotor looks even smaller than the KLR... What can happen is once we figure out the best route we machine a 1/2 dozen of the clamps or custom parts and/or make it available as a template. Off the soapbox... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Kindarji" Subject: (klr650) Tampa - Montreal - Tampa (NKLR) Date: 22 Sep 1998 09:51:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDE60E.99EBCCE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01BDE60E.99EEDA20" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01BDE60E.99EEDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry guys, it seems that my posting was somewhat missing the important part of it, here it goes again. First I would like to thank everybody who helped me getting myself ready for the trip, then I would like the thank the List and all those people that keeps it alive everyday. Thank you everybody. Although I'm not a hard-core biker but a person that enjoys driving my bike everyday, I learned a lot from your everyday postings and I did my first oil change and oil-filer change in the middle of my trip (and very proud of myself should I add). I have still a lot to learn about sprockets, dynajet, ... Here's a summary of my trip (it's not technical though): when I first thought about it , I told myself the idea was crazy and I was expecting my wife to freak out! But guess what , she didn't! I guess she knew I needed the challenge So I started planning for the trip. Tampa , Montreal on my KLR650 is definitely easier said than done . Believe me when I say it, because I did it! 1500 miles is not a short trip! What is the safest , shortest way? Let's start! First, the maps! Of course, my PC (stands for Perfect Companion!) was a great help, I used Rand McNally Deluxe Edition and printed 3 copies of the itinerary (one for my wife, two for me in case I threw one out of frustration on the road!). On the other hand , all those years I spent as a Boy Scout came on handy , my survival kit for instance was updated.... I knew I had to travel light , so 4 T-shirts 2 shorts, Tools, 1st aid kit, blabla...backpack, my alarm set at 5A.M (as if I 'll get any sleep that night) and I went to bed... 5:00 AM I am actually going to do it ! Shower.. 5:30 AM VRRRRRRRR.... I am on my way.... 10:30 AM Have you ever been on a motorcycle for more than an hour? 5 or 6 for example? I guess God didn't create these legs for this particular purpose in mind! I had some weird reactions : while my lower back was busy aching me increasingly , my legs were spreading and spreading.... When I looked really funny on the bike , I had to stop , rest , refuel, leave a message for Nathalie on the beeper with the miles I have already put behind me! My first encounter was at Virginia : Tattoos on his arm, ring in his ear, and his eyebrow and his nose and his lip and his tongue, Kevin and his bike were going my way too! He ended up calling me "slave driver!" because I wouldn't stop every hour for his "smoke"! I am afraid I have to tell you we shared a room that night , I can't recall everything happening during that night ! I only remember waking up with a pierced ear and "Kevin for ever " tattooed on my arm! (Please note that is a joke , I also informed my lawyer about this comment just to make sure nobody can sue me because of it and that it is not Starr report material!) 5:00 AM A man with a mission! that's me! "on the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again ..." "Driving on the hiway, looking for adventure...." It's funny, with all the songs we listen to everyday there's always this one song that stiks in your head and you'll sing it again and again and again..... At the risk of sounding romantic , I enjoyed those sunrises and the views ! Those beautiful colors that change by the second , all the serenity of the mountains, The freshness and the smell of mornings. Where are we every morning when those beauties are unfolding ? This is really breathtaking .I am trying to take in as much as I can (I remembered Forest Gump and his desire to run for years), sometimes I wished my trip did not have a goal and will go on forever. I guess our species have weird needs sometimes: to challenge oneself to ones limits .... Miles are running so quickly before me and I noticed that after all those miles , I could tell how many different kind of gravel, pavement materials they used on those highways. Different shades of gray, different shades of black...I also encounter an alligator on the side of the highway , Lots of road kills (Deer, dog, snakes, a Mountain Lion !!!!!) , and oh let's not forget the thousands of insects dying on my helmet and specially that big moth that crashed on my visor (it took me 10 minutes to clean that one up). Miles are running so quickly before me . Every 2 hours , stop , refuel, rest for 10 or 15 minutes and on my way again.. Pretty soon it was like a routine and by the end of the day , I was approaching the Canadian border... I was getting really cold and I had to stop for 20 minutes inside the customs station to warm up... Coming out of there, it started to rain, but what the heck? I have seen worse... The rain turned into a crazy storm , winds was pushing cars off the highway, my KLR650 with the original tires on it started to loose its grip on the road, so I along with many cars had to pull on the side and stop. Water was pouring in , no bridges in site, I was chilled to my bone. One car driver took pity on me and let me in his car to warm up. Have you ever shaken from head to toe, unable to articulate a word? The driver figured this one up and put the car heater on for me. After a while the storm eased and I headed to my father's house under the rain. Forget about my glorious arrival! I was dreaming of a hot shower and dry clothes! Not even Demi Moore herself would have made me happier at that point! I will never forget the expression on my father's face. He didn't know I was coming and he was trying to figure out how the heck I was standing in front of him and why I WAS SOOOO MISERABLE? Shower , dry clothes and an hour later , the VIBRATIONS in my head were still there ! BUZZING IN MY EAR ... WOULDN'T STOP! Pretty uncomfortable feeling but I DID IT! so I didn't mind the buzz . I was thrilled to tell myself that I DID IT ! 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Unfortuneatly this is 4 inches lower. 2) 3 gallon gas tank. I could live with it, just wouldn't like it. 3) the nearest dealer to me is in Loveland, CO. about a 5hr. drive. I do like the paint job, power increase, and the fact that I wouldn't see another one in NM. Mastiff: I like this bike. I love the head lights and just the look over all. I even like the blue paint job too. Again seat height, and 3 gallon gas tank is my only problem with it. Oh, yeah and it's a thousand more than the Baghira. I do have a problem with that. Josh '92 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:24:07 EDT All the talk about ZERO valve clearance has made me curious (and maybe paranoid). I took a look at the shop manual and can't understand how shims (or anything else) could wear and reduce the value clearance to ZERO. Help me understand this. Also, what does running at ZERO harm? Thanks, Pat 9,000 miles with no adjustments (yet) The shims don't wear, the valve seats do. All that bashing and heat (especially the exhaust valves) pound the valves deeper into the valve seats, which the valve springs are then better able to pull up through the head, closer to the cam shafts; hence the reduced gap between the cam lobes and the valve shim. The valve shim (held in it's "bucket" sits on the end of the valve stem.) Zero valve clearance can cause BIIIIG damage if it turns to negative clearance, that is, valves so tight that they don't even completely close. Hot exhaust gasses whistle through the leaky exhaust valve, very quickly burning the exhaust valve. A burned exhaust valve gets a little flat spot on the edge of the valve. If things get this bad, you will need a valve job and a new valve at the very least, perhaps a new valve seat too. Did you say "no" valve adjustments yet? Not even the 600 mi. warranty adjust? Get thee to a machine shoppery! Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Magier Subject: (klr650) More fan ??s Date: 22 Sep 1998 08:41:40 -0700 OK - my contribution to the growing fan/thermo question barrage. 97 (dealer says 98, but manufacture sticker says 9/97) KLR650, bought new. From day one, has often gotten temp gauge 3/4 or more when piddling around in town. I live in 90-100 or more, but now it's cooling down outside, and there's no appreciable change in around-town temps. Yes, fan comes on at high temps, yes - it stays on for 10-20 seconds after parking. I've checked coolant level. That's about the extent of my mechanical expertise (what can I say - first bike). I'm picking up mechanical skill as I go. Just changed front brake lines, chain (oops, didn't know I was supposed to lube it more than every 800-1000 miles!!), bash plate. Removed front/rear wheels for tire change. Anyway, back to heat issues. I have never pinned the gauge, but it does get well up into the hotter portion of the gauge. The manual and the list often refer to the "thick" part of the gauge. What is that? On my gauge, there is a curved line that runs from C to H. The thickness of this line is uniform. At the upper limit of this curve (and I would guess at the upper limit of needle travel) there is a "hash mark" which is perpendicular to the curve. Is this the proverbial thick part? If so, I think it would be easier to just say pinning the gauge. (Or at least less confusing to us newbies/wrench idiots). Alternatively, is there a different configuration on other heat gauges where the curved line gets thicker as the gauge reads higher - kinda like on some gauges where there's a yellow or red "zone" on the gauge? Is my bike running too hot? It seems happy, and it cools down well at speed (unless it's 100 degress and 100 mph!!) Any input appreciated. Mike Magier (trying not to run too hot myself . . .) 97(8)KLR650 5800 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:00:18 -0400 My dealer swears they NEVER adjust valves at 1st service on the KLRs. There are no other dealers without going hours away, so what's a guy to do? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Triphenia@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:24 AM All the talk about ZERO valve clearance has made me curious (and maybe paranoid). I took a look at the shop manual and can't understand how shims (or anything else) could wear and reduce the value clearance to ZERO. Help me understand this. Also, what does running at ZERO harm? Thanks, Pat 9,000 miles with no adjustments (yet) The shims don't wear, the valve seats do. All that bashing and heat (especially the exhaust valves) pound the valves deeper into the valve seats, which the valve springs are then better able to pull up through the head, closer to the cam shafts; hence the reduced gap between the cam lobes and the valve shim. The valve shim (held in it's "bucket" sits on the end of the valve stem.) Zero valve clearance can cause BIIIIG damage if it turns to negative clearance, that is, valves so tight that they don't even completely close. Hot exhaust gasses whistle through the leaky exhaust valve, very quickly burning the exhaust valve. A burned exhaust valve gets a little flat spot on the edge of the valve. If things get this bad, you will need a valve job and a new valve at the very least, perhaps a new valve seat too. Did you say "no" valve adjustments yet? Not even the 600 mi. warranty adjust? Get thee to a machine shoppery! Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Kindarji" Subject: (klr650) trip Tampa-Montreal-Tampa (Fixed posting) (NKLR) Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:14:03 -0400 I'm sorry guys but it seems that every time I try to re-send this message with the missing part it just sends an unfinished old post, hopefully this one will make it. First I would like to thank everybody who helped me getting myself ready for the trip, then I would like the thank the List and all those people that keeps it alive everyday. Thank you everybody. Although I'm not a hard-core biker but a person that enjoys driving my bike everyday, I learned a lot from your everyday postings and I did my first oil change and oil-filer change in the middle of my trip (and very proud of myself should I add). I have still a lot to learn about sprockets, dynajet, ... Here's a summary of my trip (Not technical though): when I first thought about it , I told myself the idea was crazy and I was expecting my wife to freak out! But guess what , she didn't! I guess she knew I needed the challenge So I started planning for the trip. Tampa , Montreal on my KLR650 is definitely easier said than done . Believe me when I say it, because I did it! 1500 miles is not a short trip! What is the safest , shortest way? Let's start! First, the maps! Of course, my PC (stands for Perfect Companion!) was a great help, I used Rand-McNally Deluxe Edition of TripMaker and printed 3 copies of the itinerary (one for my wife, two for me in case I threw one out of frustration on the road!) I knew I had to travel light , so clothes, tools, 1st aid kit, blabla...backpack, my alarm set at 5A.M (as if I 'll get any sleep that night) and I went to bed... 5:00 AM I am actually going to do it ! Shower.. 5:30 AM VRRRRRRRR.... I am on my way.... 10:30 AM Have you ever been on a motorcycle for more than an hour? 19 or 20 for example? I guess God didn't create the back for this particular purpose in mind! I had some weird reactions : while my lower back was busy aching me increasingly , my legs were spreading and spreading.... When I looked really funny on the bike , I had to stop , rest , refuel, leave a message for Nathalie on the beeper with the miles I have already put behind me! My first encounter was at Virginia : Tattoos on his arm, ring in his ear, and his eyebrow, and his nose and his lip and his tongue, Kevin and his custom bike were going my way (Albany) too! He ended up calling me "slave driver!" because I wouldn't stop every hour for his "smoke"! He thought about making to Albany in 3 days, I promised to get him there next day. 2:00AM winds were blowing and it was getting pretty wet and cold, we had to stop for the night. I have to tell you we shared a room that night , I can't recall everything that happened but I only remember waking up with a pierced ear and "Kevin for ever " tattooed on my arm! (Please note that it was a joke , I also informed my lawyer about this comment just to make sure nobody can sue me because of it and that it is not Starr report material!) 5:00 AM A man with a mission! that's me! "on the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again..." "Riding on the highway, looking for an adventure..." It's funny, all those songs we always hear and hum along but only one sticks in your head for that day and you sing it again and again and again... At the risk of something romantic , I enjoyed those sunrises and the views ! Those beautiful colors that change by the second , all the serenity of the mountains, the freshness and the smell of mornings. Where are we every morning when those beauties are unfolding ? This is really breathtaking .I am trying to take in as much as I can (I remembered Forest Gump and his desire to run for years). I guess our species have weird needs sometimes: to challenge oneself to ones limits .... Miles are running so quickly before me and I noticed that after all those miles , I could tell how many different kind of gravel, pavement materials they used on those highways. Different shades of gray, different shades of black...I also encountered an alligator making his way to the river, lots of road kills (raccoons, snakes, a deer, a mountain lion !!!), and oh let's not forget the thousands of insects dying on my helmet and that big moth that crashed on my visor (needed 10 minutes to clean up this one). Miles are running so quickly before me. Every 2 hours , stop , refuel, rest for 10 or 15 minutes and on my way again... Parted with Kevin in "Albany" that day as promised, apparently he said that I was "The Man !!!". Pretty soon it was like a routine and by the end of the day , I was approaching the Canadian border... I was getting really cold and I had to stop for 20 minutes inside the Customs station to warm up again... I started the motorcycle under the rain , but what the heck, I have seen worse... The rain turned into a crazy storm , winds were pushing cars off the highway, so I along with many cars had to pull on the side and stop . Water was pouring in and no bridges in the horizon I was chilled to my bone. One car driver took pity on me and let me in his car to warm up. Have you ever been drenched to the bones? shaking? and not being able to articulate a single word? Yep! That was me! The car driver blasted the heaters in the car. 10 minutes later storm had passed, back on the bike. Next stop my father's place in Montreal. Forget about my glorious arrival! All I could think was a hot shower and dry clothes! Not even Demi Moore herself could have made me happier at that point! I will never forget the expression on my father 's face. He didn't know I was coming and he was trying to figure out how the heck I was standing in front of him and why I WAS SOOOO MISERABLE? Shower , dry clothes and an hour later , the VIBRATIONS in my head were still there ! BUZZING IN MY EAR ... WOULDN'T STOP! Pretty uncomfortable feeling but I DID IT! so I didn't mind the buzz . I was thrilled to tell myself that I DID IT ! What I didn't realize at that particular thrilling and happy moment of my life is that I will have to do it all over again in 4 days! Well, the way back was tiring and problem free, but on that bike was a man , renewed with the knowledge that this was a kind of a rerun (been there, done that), a man wizened by the fact that the human mind is a strange box . It believes everything that you feed it : you can tell it you can do it and it will! The great gift through it all is our WILL . This is where everything starts and becomes reality . The only thing still bothering me though are those VIIIIIBRAAAATIOOONS. If only they would stop! Christian - KLR650 '98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 10:15:11 -0600 -----Original Message----- >My dealer swears they NEVER adjust valves at 1st service on the KLRs. >There are no other dealers without going hours away, so what's a guy to do? You have a couple of options. You could pay your dealer to check your valve clearance or do it yourself. You should get the TWO service manuals for your bike and then check out this article... http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page4.html Engines with double overhead cams don't require valve adjustment as often as most other type of head arrangements. But factories do make mistakes and if you didn't catch a gross misadjustment for several thousand miles then you are looking at serious valve damage. For your own piece of mind you would feel better getting it checked. It will probably be adjusted correctly but until you check it out you will never know. Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) More fan ??s Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:34:19 EDT On 9/22/98, magier@bentonrea.com wrote: snip >97 (dealer says 98, but manufacture sticker says 9/97) KLR650 It's common for products to be in the manufacturing cycle one year and sold the next as that year's model. My '96 A10 was made in 6/95. The 'A~' designates model year not manufacturing year. The '87 model = A1, thru the '99 model = A13. So some of us list our bikes by model # and others by model year. >The manual and the list often refer to the "thick" part of the gauge. >there is a "hash mark" which is perpendicular to the curve. >Is this the proverbial thick part?...easier to just say pinning the gauge. Well the right hash mark on mine is thicker than the others. Mine's never been hot enough to confirm that it pins on the thick line. It may be capable of going past the thick line. >Is my bike running too hot? It seems happy, and it cools down well at speed Doesn't sound too hot to me. Riding in the desert on a hot summer day, does activate my fan, but the needle's never read more than 3/4. Unless you're close to the right mark or boiling over...be happy. Redondo Ron (who's never been a big fan) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) Subject: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:03:55 -0600 i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced this. the following is the info i read: http://www.lgr.lv/marshal/case4.htm thanks roger Roger the Artful Dodger hm (512) 416-9997 wk (512) 444-0716 rkk@mail.utexas.edu 2809 west william cannon dr#d101 Austin, TX 78745 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:27:16 -0600 > >>My dealer swears they NEVER adjust valves at 1st service on the KLRs. >>There are no other dealers without going hours away, so what's a guy to do? My '98 had 2 valves that were tight at 550 miles...I used the chart in the service manual to get the correct shims...Check them or have them checked! Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Who waves Date: 22 Sep 1998 15:30:43 I ride because it refreshes me mentally and physically. I ride a KLR because it is a no nonsense, dirt/pavement capable, reasonably priced machine that is unlikely to break if treated reasonably and that most suits the kind of riding I do. I don't intentionally want to send any message to anybody who sees me ride. And I really don't care what somebody who sees me ride by thinks about me or my bike. In my early days, I waved to every bike I saw. I don't do that any more. Experience has taught me that only one out of ten "harley dudes" will wave back or wave first. On the other hand, nine out of ten Jap bike riders will wave back or wave first. So, if I think it's a harley coming, I ignore it and save my energy for the riders more likely to be riding for the same reasons I am. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Cort=E9s?= Subject: RE: (klr650) Who waves Date: 22 Sep 1998 15:52:44 -0400 I agree completely with you. I ride because I do not want to spend money in a Psichiatrist. Juan ---------- De: R. Kaub[SMTP:rkaub@binghamton.edu] Enviado el: Martes 22 de Septiembre de 1998 11:31 AM Para: klr650@lists.xmission.com Asunto: (klr650) Who waves I ride because it refreshes me mentally and physically. I ride a KLR because it is a no nonsense, dirt/pavement capable, reasonably priced machine that is unlikely to break if treated reasonably and that most suits the kind of riding I do. I don't intentionally want to send any message to anybody who sees me ride. And I really don't care what somebody who sees me ride by thinks about me or my bike. In my early days, I waved to every bike I saw. I don't do that any more. Experience has taught me that only one out of ten "harley dudes" will wave back or wave first. On the other hand, nine out of ten Jap bike riders will wave back or wave first. So, if I think it's a harley coming, I ignore it and save my energy for the riders more likely to be riding for the same reasons I am. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: West Hovland Subject: Re: (klr650) storage...burial Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:28:19 -0700 Kurt Simpson wrote: > Dig a large hole in the sand, fire it up and make a suicide plunge into the > hole, get off the bike and shrink wrap it...bury it with the sand...be sure and > put a vent in the top.... > > You's funny Alfalfa! West ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:57:01 +1000 roger kriegel wrote: > i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 > engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced > this. My 600 does 50-60mpg (imperial gallon) FWIW, which is somewhere around 5 litre/100km. Back when the bike was newer, I could get 4 l/100km on the highway at the speed limit 100kmh. I don't see how this d-200 stuff can put metal back on the bore and rings and piston. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Say Listers, maybe we can solve this speed wobble thing by each of us listing the several possible things that could contribute to a wobble. Just cut and paste the items between the dashed lines and fill in your bikes info. Please add any other data that I may have omitted and you think may have an influence. Then we can see if there are common factors: 1. Tire Brand and model and size 2. Tire pressure both front/back 3. Tires balanced and checked for roundness 4. Wheels checked for run out 5. Wheel alignment checked 6. Fork air pressure equal and ambient (or not?) 7. Fork springs? Stock, Progressive or other 8. Fork position in triple clamps 9. All fork, axle and swingarm fasteners tightened to spec. 10. Steering bearing play in spec. 11. Rear suspension settings 12. Loading (your riding weight plus gear and how mounted) 13. Wind screen (stock or other and size) 14. Any other parts attached that may alter aerodynamics (Saeng Winglets, low fender, other handguards, etc.) 12. Any drops or crashes I must have been lucky to get a KLR that has not had any of the problems commonly reported. I have dropped it several times off road, but none hard enough to effect more that cosmetics. My KLR has not wobbled at any speed up to 100mph (downhill run last weekend ). I am on my 2nd set of stock Dunlops. My valves are within spec. and have not needed a shim change yet at 9K plus miles. Neither my clutch switch or sidestand switch has yet malfunctioned. My fan comes on regulary nearly every ride during the summer and always when off road going slow. (I suspect my temp sensor may be out of spec.) My Gas tank vent has not plugged up causing fuel starvation. My exhaust does not whistle. My headlight hasn't burned out Yadah Yadah Yadah........ Of course having reported all of this, I'll probably have all of these things happen soon plus a swarm of locust will decend upon me. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (time is running short) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Speed wobble II Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:23:30 -0700 (PDT) OPPS! One very important item for the lsit (so obvious I forgot it). Your KLR650 model year at the top of the list. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (time is running short) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Wormmeester Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 22 Sep 1998 19:35:48 -0400 Rex Hefferan wrote: > Say Listers, maybe we can solve this speed wobble thing by each of > us listing the several possible things that could contribute to a > wobble. Just cut and paste the items between the dashed lines and fill > in your bikes info. Please add any other data that I may have omitted > and you think may have an influence. Then we can see if there are > common factors: It seems to me we have been here before and the answer was a low mount front fender. Can anyone confirm this? Dave W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance and Russell seat Date: 22 Sep 1998 19:59:08 EDT >My dealer swears they NEVER adjust valves at 1st service on the KLRs. There are no other dealers without going hours away, so what's a guy to do?> You can "check" the valves yourself very easily. It is no more difficult than changing a tire, as you said you have already accomplished. Most likely they will not need adjustment and you will then have peace of mind. If they do need adjusted and you do not feel comfortable doing it, then you can take it to the dealer. P.S. The Russell Day-Long seat I ordered should be here in a few days. I will report to the list if it is as good as advertised and worth the wait. Greg, A2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: (klr650) Rear brake master cylinder Guard Date: 22 Sep 1998 18:13:29 -0600 I have scanned a photo from the Kawasaki parts listing of the rear brake master cylinder guard that is supposed to fit the KLR. I guess Juan V. & Ron C. are going to be our guinea pigs to see if it is going to work or not. We should hear a report from them on how this guard fits and works in a week or two. If you would like to see my scan write me and then I can send it as an attachment. Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: (klr650) MuZ Baghira Date: 22 Sep 1998 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Listers: Re: the earlier posts on the Baghira. A friend of mine is an owner of Zen Moto, Inc. at 1011 S. Marietta Pkwy., Marietta GA. (770) 794-7300. He says they're selling Baghiras for about $4700.00. That's about new KLR price! Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) More fan ??s Date: 22 Sep 1998 18:15:38 -0700 -----Original Message----- >. The manual and the list often >refer to the "thick" part of the gauge. What is that? On my gauge, there is >a curved line that runs from C to H. The thickness of this line is uniform. >At the upper limit of this curve (and I would guess at the upper limit of >needle travel) there is a "hash mark" which is perpendicular to the curve. >Is this the proverbial thick part? If so, I think it would be easier to just >say pinning the gauge. >Mike Magier >(++++++++++++++++++ I've been wondering about this....what Mike's describing is my exact perception too. ARe there differences among these gauges? eric ....'96 KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed wobble II Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:34:53 -0500 Stock w/gripsters 87 KLR wobbles at 80 IF the front tire is low. 21 psi stops the wobble. Robert -----Original Message----- >Your KLR650 model year at the top of the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 22 Sep 1998 21:41:35 -0400 > The higher RPMs you run at the more wear at the cams and shims (loose clearance) and the slower you run the > more wear at the valve and seat (tight clearance). Even if the cam wears, it doesn't show up in the clearance. Clearance is measured at the base circle where the cam doesn't contact the shim. Good oil will protect the shim from wear, even at high rpm. Check some old shims with a micrometer and see if they've worn even .001". At higher rpm, the valve slams closed faster, accelerating the wear of the seat and valve face. This wear can be non-linear with rpm. > If you have "zero" clearance when the engine is cold then when the engine > warms up the valves won't be completely closed (hot metal expands you know) > and cause the valve and seat to burn up with the extra heat leaking past > them. Clearance increases as the engine warms up. Yes hot metal expands, however the aluminum head expands at about twice the rate of the steel valve. (Thermal expansion coefficient of steel = 11x10e-6, aluminum = 26x10e-6 per deg C.) Valve clearance should increase .001-.002" for a 50C temperature increase as the expanding head moves the cam away from the valve. This agrees with measurements I made once when I did a valve adjustment. I pulled the valve cover and checked clearance while the motor was warm and again after it had cooled off. Clearances got (barely) smaller as the motor cooled. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) KLR in Austin Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:01:53 -0400 This weekend I saw two KLRs going down Hwy 360 in Austin. The rider of one had a white helmet (and short pants of all things). The other rider had a black helmet (long pants on this one). Is this anyone on the list?? Pat Austin, Tx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Russell seat Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:24:06 -0400 > The Russell Day-Long seat I ordered should be here in a few days. I >will report to the list if it is as good as advertised and worth the wait. I can't remember if I posted anything about the Russell Day-Long seat to the list, so forgive any redundancy: The Russell arrived and I rode about 1200 miles to 'seat it'. The initial fit was poor since the natural curvature of the seat, fore and aft, was interrupted by the forward edge of the pax seat. Mostly it was comfortable except for the back pax cushion digging into me, sitting on it was like leaning against the edge of a countertop. I asked my girlfriend if she'd mind taking pictures of my butt again while I was sitting on the Russell so the shop could see that the seat needed to be moved aft. I shipped the seat and photos back to Russell (priority mail was fast and cheap) and within ten days the seat was back, completely rebuilt. Russell gives extraordinary service. The seat doesn't have the natural, pleasing shape of a Corbin or similar style seat. It is a plain and simple cushioned cradle seat that allows some position shifting to relieve aches. I instructed Russell to minimize the pax seat to any extent necessary to make the primary seat comfortable, since I'm big and don't carry people often. I can ride for 6-plus hours (one stop) without any major discomfort. Compared to the stock seat, that's a 5.5 hour improvement. I'm planning a 1000 mile trip between hurricanes in Florida shortly, and will deliver an updated butt report afterwards. Stuart 1998 KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rycomm@webtv.net (Ryan Combs) Subject: (klr650) Back from klr trip Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Hi, I returned Sunday from my Red River / Steamboat trip. I ended up with a little over 3000 miles in two weeks. I had several 400 mi days. My seat is 1" wider and 1/2" taller, and a bit more comfortable than stock. I also went through UT and a couple hundred miles of WY. I rode out across KS, but drove back from Denver to KC to save time (had to be at work early mon). I used pirelli mt 70's, which wore pretty quicky. I should have gone with the Avons, especially since I was on pavement 90% of the time. The bike ran great. I changed the rear brake pads at Fred' s after 6000 miles on the original '89 pads. We used the EBC's, and after a couple hundred miles they were as good as stock. I did lose the electrical system in the mountains near Steamboat. After about 20-30 miles of potholes and washboard dirt roads, I stopped to take some photos. When I got back on and pushed the starter-- nothing. I figured I blew a fuse, so I took offf the side protectors,side covers, seat ect. Both fuses were good. I tried to jump the solonoid, no go. I decided I'd vibrated a wire off the ign switch, so off came the turn signals and fairing, All wires were connected. I had no lights, horn, ect, so I knew it was something serious, or really simple. Several othere bikes had stopped to ask if I was ok, and all said they would check on me on the way down the mtn. A Forest Ranger stopped, and I decided to try a jump start. The bike fired right up. So, I had either a bad battery, or bad stator / charging system. I put the fairing,signals,seat ect back on while the bike was idling, disconnected the headlight (less draw), and headed down the mtn. I parked the bike on a hill in town (easy to find in CO) to push/bumpstart it, not knowing if it would work (it did, should have tried it first on the mtn, and saved me a lot of time and work).I called a dealer, and they had a battery, so I bouhgt it. It turns out most of the fluid had leaked or evarpoated out since I'd left home, and suddenly decided not to work. So, the problem was my fault for not checking the battery level, and could have been avoided. The races were great, as were all the bikes, and the whole trip. If anyone wants more details on route, equipment, ect., let me know, but I already feel long-winded about the battery incident. Ryan '89 klr (now with 7650 mi) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) Who waves Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:25:54 -0500 Been grinning and waving at them all for years. This last year I've noticed an ever increasing number of Harley riders waving back. When they don't wave back I grin more and wave more. Do you think I finally shamed those Harley riders into waving back or is just the new Harley demographics? Grinning and waving is a lot more fun than striking a snarley pose and glaring! Going after the crotch-rocket guys next, Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray & Heidi West" Subject: (klr650) Heat Shield Loose Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:20:24 -0700 Well, my first repair on my new '98 KLR650 ( now 1300 miles ) needed the screws tightened on the muffler heat shield. One fell out, and one was loose. So far it's been a fun commute bike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR: MuZ Bikes Date: 22 Sep 1998 21:57:01 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:05 PM I'm about 6'7" tall. As far as the Mastiff goes, if I'm going to spend $7200 I will go with a KTM Adventure. The Mastiff is Blue if you are still wondering. I checked another web site. I have no prob doing 5 hours it's just a long haul for any warranty work. Can you think of anything else in that price range worth looking at? I might take another look at the F650. It's just I'm not into that whole beamer scene. Of course I could just put some really cool stuff on my KLR and have a really bitch'n trip to Alaska. Decisions, decisions. Ditto about the reality and mail-order brides thing. I will just have to keep looking for a woman and a bike. Josh '92KLR650 >+_++++++++ hey Josh, man, you must be tall....I'm 5'7" and the KLR is tall for me....I feel the same about the tank size of the MuZ.....I like being able to go over curbs and stuff, so the height (KLR) is ok with me ( I did put on the lowering links) and I think the height helps being seen ....and it's cool to know you are riding something that's rare (either bike)....MuZ power increase is all to the good. As far as the Mastiff.....maybe it's my monitor, but it looks distinctly lavender to me...I guess maybe it's a bluish lavender....might be more blue in person.....I have to say, since last night, I decided I like the looks better, yes, the front end is really kinda cool looking....I dunno why they want a whole grand more for it. That does make it definitely expensive. If I were serious about either bike I'd have no problemo doing the 5 hours for a personal inspection....after all how many hours would I have to put in on the job to pay for either one? 5 extra is ok....or 10 round trip? whew! ...still worth it. It's a matter of not spending my time drooling from a distance....reality can really hit home when you're right there. Same with mail-order brides :) ......good luck with your search...may the best bike win....(MuZ or other) regards, eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes Date: 23 Sep 1998 00:21:44 EDT With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes Date: 22 Sep 1998 23:58:12 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Alex Yefimov wrote: > With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder > what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone > mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a > DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? > > > Alex The DR doesn't have the KLR's liquid cooling which is a plus for long distance cruising and real slow going. The KLR also has a bigger gas tank and a more comfortable wider seat (in my opinion). Other wise I would imagine that they make similar HP figures because of the similarengine size. Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Date: 23 Sep 1998 06:43:45 -0400 roger kriegel wrote: > i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 > engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced > this. Roger, I use Mobil 1 (15W-50) in the crankcase, 93 octane fuel in the tank, and a 16T countershaft sprocket and regularly get 60-61mpg. Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 17k miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:22:59 -0400 Dave, I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. Once I heard some very observant lister mention this, I was able to confirm it with my own experience. I true wobble would get into violent oscillations(sp?), where the problem we face is a gentle controlled disturbance. I think before we get too worried about the shake, let's find someone with a low mount fender who STILL has the problem. This would DISPROVE this theory, but I don't think we will find a person who has the problem after ditching the fender. Back to riding Todd A11 11,500 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:46:19 -0400 The DR650 is MUCH MORE dirt oriented than the KLR. It also has good road characteristics. R -----Original Message----- >With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder >what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone >mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a >DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? > > >Alex > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:42:26 -0700 At 06:43 AM 9/23/98 -0400, Bill Wright wrote: >roger kriegel wrote: > >> i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 >> engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced >> this. > >Roger, > >I use Mobil 1 (15W-50) in the crankcase, 93 octane fuel in the tank, and a >16T countershaft sprocket and regularly get 60-61mpg. I use the same fuel and oil, but stock gearing. I've enver been able to beat 51 MPG, and it usualy runs more like 49 mpg. At highway speeds with a load, mileage can fall off to under 45 mpg. -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,800 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Date: 23 Sep 1998 08:37:53 -0400 Tom Simpson wrote: > I use the same fuel and oil, but stock gearing. I've enver been able to beat > 51 MPG, and it usualy runs more like 49 mpg. At highway speeds with a load, > mileage > can fall off to under 45 mpg. > Tom, I may ride slower than you and that may effect my mileage. However, before I changed sprockets I was getting high 50s riding 1 up. With my wife and I both riding 60-65 mph we get about 52-55mpg. I still have the stock carb setup. (no jet replacement or idle adjustment). I can't explain it. The mileage did jump 2-3 mpg after the addition of the new sprockets and Tsubaki chain. Went from 15T to 16T in front and steel to aluminum on the rear sprocket. Am also running Gripsters front and back if that has anything to do with it. My worst mileage was a tank I ran out at 80+ mph where I got 48mpg. Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 17k miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:15:19 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906556520_boundary Content-ID: <0_906556520@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/22/98 6:37:19 PM EST, davew@kvi.net writes: << It seems to me we have been here before and the answer was a low mount front fender. Can anyone confirm this? Dave W. >> Negative Dave. My '93 doesn't wobble any more now that I got the tires up to spec for air pressure. I have a lowered bike, and the front is an extra 1/2" lower, but the fender is stock. Funny thing is my KLR is also a '93 and I have had very few problems. The only real problem was the mechanical seal in the water pump giving up the ghost. It didn't stop me on the road, and was easy enough to repair. Maybe the '93's and earlier were the good ones? (I think that they were the best looking :-).) MN Ron --part0_906556520_boundary Content-ID: <0_906556520@inet_out.mail.kvi.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya02.mx.aol.com (v50.5) with SMTP; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:37:19 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA26787; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zLbyX-0007l2-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:36:05 -0600 Received: from [209.172.28.10] (helo=kvi01.kvi.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zLbyU-0007kX-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:36:03 -0600 Received: from kvi.net (gr-pr01-08.kvi.net [209.172.28.40]) by kvi01.kvi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03865; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:38:10 -0400 Message-ID: <36083454.E7A43ED2@kvi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) CC: klr650@lists.xmission.com References: <19980922231448.17372.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dave Wormmeester Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rex Hefferan wrote: > Say Listers, maybe we can solve this speed wobble thing by each of > us listing the several possible things that could contribute to a > wobble. Just cut and paste the items between the dashed lines and fill > in your bikes info. Please add any other data that I may have omitted > and you think may have an influence. Then we can see if there are > common factors: It seems to me we have been here before and the answer was a low mount front fender. Can anyone confirm this? Dave W. --part0_906556520_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:15:42 -0600 -----Original Message----- >> I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the >>theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge >>of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders >>length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. > > I agree with you on this Todd...much more pronounced...Here is a couple of>instructive archive posts from the archives. In the first, the solution is to put on a low desert fender. In the second, it is to have your ladyfriend sit on the tank facing backwards (a Hall of Fame post from Redondo)...According to Ron, this second method also helps with the "felt" vibrations Kurt (the librarian) __________________________________- >> >>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:19:51 -0800 >From: bosozoku@olywa.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) stock front tire > >>I've been riding my 95 klr a short distance on the freeway to get to my >>favorite dirt roads. Steering head bearings, spokes, tire pressures, swing >>arm etc. all checked adjusted and fine, but the bike has a funny lightweight >>feel to the front end at 75 mph and up. Not a wobble or headshake, just a >>light dancy feel like there's no weight on the front end. Almost not worth >>complaining about, just wierd. I've had 40+ bikes, never felt anything like >>this. anyone else noticed this with the stock tires? I'll switch and see if >>it gets better. Bob, '95 KLR > > >Okay Bob, I have a test for you. Take off your front fender and hit the >highway for a mile or so. (nothing big so you don't get a ticket) I will >bet money that your lift is pretty much gone. The KLR doesn't use a pass >through front fender so the air has no real place to go. That fender makes >a good air dam. When you add weight to the rear it increases the problem by >changing the angle of the front end and allowing more air under the fender. >If you drop the front end it sends more air over the top rather than >underneath so that is an alternative to what I did to fix it. I have an >after market desert race fender (looks almost like a street fender but will >clear the knobbies) and have had no problems since the change over. > >- - Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >---------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:23 EST >From: Cloudhid >Subject: (klr650) Re: jet kits etc....! > >>what about >>rain, or those guys in california that ride >>chicks on the back(and front if they are >>real lucky) through the surf along the >>beaches?? >>jeff > >I have found it advantageous to have her ride >on the back while wheeling through the surf. >This way my forward vision of bathers >isn't blocked. However on the freeways I >have her sit in front, facing me to help >keep the front wheel loaded when the >air catches the front fender. As an added >bonus it makes the 'felt' vibrations in the >bike much more tolerable. >Surf's up----Ron > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Givi luggage question Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:19:12 EDT Hello, I may be interested in going with hard luggage. I remember seeing, I think at the Fontana BMW rally, a KLR with gray Givi bags. It looked like a neat set up. At the time I didn't own a KLR so I didn't pay too much attention to it. I'd appreciate any comments pro or con regarding Givi bags and mounts. Specifically how solid are the mounts? Are they symmetrical or do they offset for the muffler and then use a smaller right bag a la BMW GS? I've heard of another mount sold by Ride West and contacted them. The one I talked with said he'd find out more and call me back but that was 10 days ago. Thanks to all for the help, this list has been extremely helpful for me so far. Rick Sanders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:23:02 -0400 Unless your ladyfriend likes to steer, then you must sit backwards and she sits behind you so she can 'drive' :) Somehow, I think the wobble might get worse, though... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Simpson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 9:16 AM -----Original Message----- >> I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the >>theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge >>of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders >>length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. > > I agree with you on this Todd...much more pronounced...Here is a couple of>instructive archive posts from the archives. In the first, the solution is to put on a low desert fender. In the second, it is to have your ladyfriend sit on the tank facing backwards (a Hall of Fame post from Redondo)...According to Ron, this second method also helps with the "felt" vibrations Kurt (the librarian) __________________________________- >> >>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:19:51 -0800 >From: bosozoku@olywa.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) stock front tire > >>I've been riding my 95 klr a short distance on the freeway to get to my >>favorite dirt roads. Steering head bearings, spokes, tire pressures, swing >>arm etc. all checked adjusted and fine, but the bike has a funny lightweight >>feel to the front end at 75 mph and up. Not a wobble or headshake, just a >>light dancy feel like there's no weight on the front end. Almost not worth >>complaining about, just wierd. I've had 40+ bikes, never felt anything like >>this. anyone else noticed this with the stock tires? I'll switch and see if >>it gets better. Bob, '95 KLR > > >Okay Bob, I have a test for you. Take off your front fender and hit the >highway for a mile or so. (nothing big so you don't get a ticket) I will >bet money that your lift is pretty much gone. The KLR doesn't use a pass >through front fender so the air has no real place to go. That fender makes >a good air dam. When you add weight to the rear it increases the problem by >changing the angle of the front end and allowing more air under the fender. >If you drop the front end it sends more air over the top rather than >underneath so that is an alternative to what I did to fix it. I have an >after market desert race fender (looks almost like a street fender but will >clear the knobbies) and have had no problems since the change over. > >- - Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >---------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:23 EST >From: Cloudhid >Subject: (klr650) Re: jet kits etc....! > >>what about >>rain, or those guys in california that ride >>chicks on the back(and front if they are >>real lucky) through the surf along the >>beaches?? >>jeff > >I have found it advantageous to have her ride >on the back while wheeling through the surf. >This way my forward vision of bathers >isn't blocked. However on the freeways I >have her sit in front, facing me to help >keep the front wheel loaded when the >air catches the front fender. As an added >bonus it makes the 'felt' vibrations in the >bike much more tolerable. >Surf's up----Ron > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) NKLR Who waves Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:45:34 -0400 Somebody wrote:>>>> Been grinning and waving at them all for years. This last year I've noticed an ever increasing number of Harley riders waving back. When they don't wave back I grin more and wave more. <<<< My rules for waving are: - If they have a helmet on I wave, regardless of the bike. Most Harley riders that wear a helmet gladly wave back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Hink" Subject: (klr650) Kansas Korn Kuttin Kaper (NKLR) Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:14:47 -0600 As of tomorrow Sept. 24, my shop will be closed for about a week so I can go have fun in the Kansas corn fields. If any of you need to order anything I hope it will wait till I get back. I want to thank all of you that have placed orders with me and I hope to keep you all in parts for a long time to come. Happy trails! "There once was a farmer named Fred, who couldn't grow corn it was said. He'd been trying for years to grow beautiful ears, but could only grow two on his head." Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Eldredge Subject: (klr650) Re: wobble Date: 23 Sep 1998 08:27:24 -0700 I have a new KLR and experienced some front end lightness and instability, if not wobble. I reduced it quite a bit by adjusting my levers (and hence hand guards) so they were at the same level. Mine came at different levels. As the hand guard surfaces form nice aerodynamic surfaces, the unbalanced forces caused the bars to want to oscillate. Is there a low fender other than the Acerbis? Does Acerbis require/come with mounting hardware? Anyone have access to foreign parts? (the European KLR comes with a low fender). scott Eldredge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Who waves Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:29:15 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > My rules for waving are: > - If they have a helmet on I wave, regardless of the bike. > > Most Harley riders that wear a helmet gladly wave back. I've noticed this works pretty consistently on riders of any bike, especially Jap sport bikes. When I wave at helmetless poser-type squids I'm usually left hanging. Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) speed wobble list results so far Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Here's an updated list of things to check. OPINION DESCRIPTION NUMBER OF RESPONSES low air pressure in front tire: 1 @ <21psi low front fender replacement: 1 opinion high front fender: 1 opinion WOBBLE PROBLEM CHECKLIST 1. Tire Brand and model and size 2. Tire pressure both front/back 3. Tires balanced and checked for roundness 4. Wheels checked for run out 5. Wheel alignment checked 6. Fork air pressure equal and ambient (or not?) 7. Fork springs? Stock, Progressive or other 8. Fork position in triple clamps 9. All fork, axle and swingarm fasteners tightened to spec. 10. Steering bearing play in spec. 11. Rear suspension settings 12. Loading (your riding weight plus gear and how mounted) 13. Wind screen (stock or other and size) 14. Any other parts attached that may alter aerodynamics (Saeng Winglets, low fender, other handguards, etc.) 12. Any drops or crashes Additional problem items: 13. Front directional tire mounted backwards 14. Knobs on the front tire excessivly worn, one side higher than the other 15. Fork oil viscosity 16. Swingarm bearing play in spec. 17. Engine mount bolts torqued correctly 18. Female passenger not facing male on tank :) Keep 'em coming (no pun intended) == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (time is running short) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from [myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young)] Date: 23 Sep 1998 11:17:25 -0600 -----Original Message----- [myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young)] >>From myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu Wed Sep 23 11:15:26 1998 >Received: from [132.194.25.201] (helo=ceo.cudenver.edu) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) > id 0zLsVg-0005zD-00 > for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:15:24 -0600 >Message-id: >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:17:40 -0600 >Subject: J.C. Whitney Top Case >To: klr650@lists.xmission.com >From: myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >After UPS lost the top case I ordered from J.C. Whitney, I've finally >received it and while it's not as nice as the Givi, the Givi isn't nice >enough to warrant the cost difference in my mind. > >Now I'm considering having some mounts made that would allow me to hook >two of these cases up as side cases. It seems that the included mounting >plate would be more than sturdy enough for this application, so long as >the rack were adequate. Has anyone who has this case considered something >similar? Holding the case up to each side of the bike indicates that they >should fit and be no wider than the bars. If width is a problem, J.C. >Whitney also offers a smaller case. For tail pipe heat I would imagine >that a well designed rack and some heat shielding would do the trick. > > ~marcus~ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEVCO1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) JC Whitney Date: 23 Sep 1998 13:39:34 EDT Hi All, Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering a catalog from JC Whitney? Thank you, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEVCO1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) KLR650 Fairing Date: 23 Sep 1998 13:43:34 EDT Am looking for a white fairing from an older KLR650 to fit my 1989 model. I believe they are interchangeable. If anyone has one laying around in good condition, let me know how much you want for it. Have a great day, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) 1st Service Snafu Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:22:31 -0400 I made an appointment last week to have my 1st service done Tuesday of this week. Took vacation this week it should have been hassle-free. Drove through the morning cold up to the dealer, already pushing 800 miles on the ODO with no first service yet(I did change oil & filter at 500 miles), arranged to have my Fiance' take off work and come pick me up. Got up to the counter, and the guy says he's never heard of me, there is no appointment made, all service guys are out of town in snowmobile training class with the store manager and he only knows how to work on snowmobiles. With my head hung low I step outside to wait for my ride, which is now too late to cancel, and the scene from lethal Weapon comes to mind where Joe Peschi? reminds me what happens to your order at the "Drive Through". Yep. I just went through the drive through. What is up with these dealers? Business must be good because this is the second one now I have had a problem with, and I have only worked with two. Anyways, I called the manager today and whined so he said that if I dropped it off by noon they would make sure to get it back by this evening. We'll see... I asked a different guy about checking the valves on 1st service and he said it is not necessary and confirmed again that they don't do it(Hope you guys have better dealers than I do). I guess I'm not sure if I should care since the bike is under warranty and I have the extended warranty so if it blows a valve and they are the ones who did the initial service and should have checked them its their problem and they will have to fix it. Just have to hope I'm not out in B.F.Egypt when that happens. Steve - A12 (AKA "The Wobbler") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) 1st Service Snafu Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:22:31 -0400 I made an appointment last week to have my 1st service done Tuesday of this week. Took vacation this week it should have been hassle-free. Drove through the morning cold up to the dealer, already pushing 800 miles on the ODO with no first service yet(I did change oil & filter at 500 miles), arranged to have my Fiance' take off work and come pick me up. Got up to the counter, and the guy says he's never heard of me, there is no appointment made, all service guys are out of town in snowmobile training class with the store manager and he only knows how to work on snowmobiles. With my head hung low I step outside to wait for my ride, which is now too late to cancel, and the scene from lethal Weapon comes to mind where Joe Peschi? reminds me what happens to your order at the "Drive Through". Yep. I just went through the drive through. What is up with these dealers? Business must be good because this is the second one now I have had a problem with, and I have only worked with two. Anyways, I called the manager today and whined so he said that if I dropped it off by noon they would make sure to get it back by this evening. We'll see... I asked a different guy about checking the valves on 1st service and he said it is not necessary and confirmed again that they don't do it(Hope you guys have better dealers than I do). I guess I'm not sure if I should care since the bike is under warranty and I have the extended warranty so if it blows a valve and they are the ones who did the initial service and should have checked them its their problem and they will have to fix it. Just have to hope I'm not out in B.F.Egypt when that happens. Steve - A12 (AKA "The Wobbler") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob KLR" Subject: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 23 Sep 1998 14:50:15 -0700 I'm on my second KLR and both times the dealer has insisted that I bring it in early so that it can cool down completely for the valve check. The last time, a few weeks ago, he let me take BMW R1100RS for the day while the KLR was in! These guys replace all the bolts that fly off and one time when the luggage rack was loose they took it apart and loc-tited all the bolts so that it wouldn't happen again. I think I have the best dealer on the planet! Mount Diablo Kawasaki/BMW in Walnut Creek, CA. ---- Bob Palin bob@bobpalin.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: RE: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:39:12 -0700 I've had only good experiences with my Kawasaki dealer in 11 years. The dealer is Bellevue Kawasaki in Bellevue, WA. They definitely do check valve clearances on first service (and mine were low on my newest--A13--KLR). Dreas Nielsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) Colo Springs get together. Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:32:58 -0600 Being up in Denver I was planning on driving down Saturday morning. What are the plans?? Is anybody going to show up?? When do we take off?? Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) Colo Springs get together. Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:32:58 -0600 Being up in Denver I was planning on driving down Saturday morning. What are the plans?? Is anybody going to show up?? When do we take off?? Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Gripsters: TT or TL? Date: 23 Sep 1998 16:44:37 -0700 So I go to my local bike parts supply house to order a set of Avon AM24 Gripsters for the A12. A fellow lister had mentioned that the TT version was tube type and the TL version was for tubeless applications. Well my supplier's catalog has no mention of the TT model and a call to the Avon customer service desk reaped only a "never heard of a TT" response. So I ordered the TLs. Anyone have any information on whether the TTs were discontinued and/or are the TLs OK to use with a spoked wheel with inner tubes? Darrel A12 "Avenger" P.S. A few of us KLR listers will be gathering at the Del Mar Mile dirt track races on 11 October. Would anyone else like to join us? So far CA Ron, Morgan and myself are going. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean Philippe Bagel Subject: (klr650) Anybody attended the event organized by Dual Star in Western, WA? Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:22:04 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) Dual-Star Pelican Kit Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:34:15 -0600 I heard through the grapevine a while back that dual-star was developing a mounting kit for pelican bags for the KLR650. Is this true? This is what I need. The soft luggage isn't cutting it anymore. Thanks Josh '92KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) Colo Springs get together. Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:47:36 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 7:39 PM Is this thing just a wife and husband thing or is this going to be some very cool rides with whoever. I'm looking for an excuse to go to ride in CO if this isn't going to be some kind of newlywed game or something. Thanks Josh '92KLR650 Being up in Denver I was planning on driving down Saturday morning. What are the plans?? Is anybody going to show up?? When do we take off?? Steven "scooter scum" Johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Roe Subject: Re: (klr650) JC Whitney Date: 23 Sep 1998 20:49:30 -0500 --------------4BD904B1D8DF1081FB4946B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J.C.Whitney - Everything Automotive NEVCO1@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering a catalog from > JC Whitney? > > Thank you, > > Bill --------------4BD904B1D8DF1081FB4946B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  J.C.Whitney - Everything Automotive
 
 

NEVCO1@aol.com wrote:

Hi All,

Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering a catalog from
JC Whitney?

Thank you,

Bill

  --------------4BD904B1D8DF1081FB4946B0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Eldredge Subject: (klr650) Removed brass plug, bike doesn't run Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:06:22 -0700 I removed the plug from the pilot jet and changed it from about 3/4 turns out to about 3. Started bike ok. It idled about the same (but sounded different). When it should have been warmed up, I turned off the choke and then tried a little throttle. It died immediately and hasn't started since. Just cranks over with no indication that it's even close to starting. Anyone have any thoughts? I removed plug by rotating carb to right, exposing plug to drill on left side. Didn't drain carb. Bike is 98 A12. Ran fine till I fixed it. I guess it's time to catch my shoe in the foot peg. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters: TT or TL? Date: 23 Sep 1998 21:07:28 -0500 Here's a clip from the MAW's online cat about the Gripster. We better still be able to get tube type Gripsters. There a pretty good tire for the money. http://www.accwhse.com/ vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Avon AM24 Gripster S-rated for speeds up to 113 mph Performs equally on the highway and cross-country trails 3-ply nylon construction Arrowhead tread pattern for excellent self-cleaning ability Tubeless design for use on BMW alloy wheels Avon AM24 Gripster PHOTO Order # Price...... Description...... (05042) $74.95 Avon AM24 130/80S17 TT Rear (05043) $85.95 Avon AM24 130/80T17 TL Rear (05044) $65.95 Avon AM24 110/80S18 TT Rear (05045) $73.95 Avon AM24 120/80S18 TT Rear (05047) $57.95 Avon AM24 80/90S21 TT Front (05048) $66.95 Avon AM24 90/90T21 TL Front (05049) $59.95 Avon AM24 90/90S21 TT Front vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Thanks Jim > jsprecker@uswest.net < -----Original Message----- >So I go to my local bike parts supply house to order a set of Avon AM24 >Gripsters for the A12. A fellow lister had mentioned that the TT version >was tube type and the TL version was for tubeless applications. Well my >supplier's catalog has no mention of the TT model and a call to the Avon >customer service desk reaped only a "never heard of a TT" response. So I >ordered the TLs. > >Anyone have any information on whether the TTs were discontinued and/or are >the TLs OK to use with a spoked wheel with inner tubes? Darrel A12 >"Avenger" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Washington tour Oct 1-4 Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:17:47 -0700 OK, OK, 'Stupidity' is my middle name. I have been planning a Eastern WA tour with a someone here from the list from 10-01-98 to 10-04-98, prior to my total hard drive crash I had all the plans and your 'address@XXX.XXX' , but needless to say , you know who your are but I don't - drop me a line if you are still heading out as discussed,, Sorry Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey P Moorbeck Subject: Re: (klr650) Removed brass plug, bike doesn't run Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:36:23 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Scott Eldredge wrote: > I removed the plug from the pilot jet and changed it from about 3/4 turns out to > about 3. Started bike ok. It idled about the same (but sounded different). When > it should have been warmed up, I turned off the choke and then tried a little > throttle. It died immediately and hasn't started since. Just cranks over with no > indication that it's even close to starting. Anyone have any thoughts? > > I removed plug by rotating carb to right, exposing plug to drill on left side. > Didn't drain carb. Bike is 98 A12. Ran fine till I fixed it. I guess it's time > to catch my shoe in the foot peg. > A very similar thing happened to me and I got loads of help from the list. In my case it turned out that the fuel passage, where fuel enter carbs and runs to the float bowl, had become impacted with junk, thus fuel wasn't entering the float bowl. I would check to make sure you're getting spark. If you are getting spark then the problem is most likely fuel delivery. Pull the fuel line and hold a container under the petcock and crank engine over, fuel should come out readily. Then you can move down the line - reattach at petcock and open fuel drain on the float bowl, again fuel should spill out easily. You may end up having to take carb off, kind of a pain and pull it apart and look for extraneous gook that might be clogging a jet or passage. Carb cleaner comes in handy. You may want to before removing carb spill some raw fuel down spark plug hole, re-install plug and turn engine over to see if it will fire up, too. Good luck! Jeff Moorbeck '89 KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) JC Whitney Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:50:51 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0164_01BDE72B.77CD5FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Wes Roe To: NEVCO1@aol.com Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 6:54 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) JC Whitney =20 =20 J.C.Whitney - Everything Automotive=20 =20 =20 NEVCO1@aol.com wrote:=20 Hi All,=20 Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering = a catalog from=20 JC Whitney?=20 Thank you,=20 Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D apparently they = don't really have an 800 nbr.... I found their web site hopeless too.... 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  = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    =20 apparently they don't really have an 800 nbr.... I found their web = site=20 hopeless too....            &nbs= p;            = ; =20 'order by phone'   1-312-431-6102           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 'customer service'  1-312-431-6111           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 'parts and parts application info'  = 1-312-431-6129   eric  ------=_NextPart_000_0164_01BDE72B.77CD5FC0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Removed brass plug, bike doesn't run Date: 23 Sep 1998 20:31:38 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I removed the plug from the pilot jet and changed it from about 3/4 turns out to >about 3. Started bike ok. It idled about the same (but sounded different). When >it should have been warmed up, I turned off the choke and then tried a little >throttle. It died immediately and hasn't started since. Just cranks over with no >indication that it's even close to starting. Anyone have any thoughts? > >I removed plug by rotating carb to right, exposing plug to drill on left side. >Didn't drain carb. Bike is 98 A12. Ran fine till I fixed it. I guess it's time >to catch my shoe in the foot peg. > This is the classic paradigm GOTCHA YA...you focus on the process you just executed and assume that the problem is directly related to the change or repair. While that is certainly possible...beware...it could be something only indirectly related. For example, perhaps rotating the carb loosened some of the crap that a bunch of us have had in our A12's causing the float needle to be jammed. A bunch of us have done the pilot jet thing...at worst the bike might run rich but it shouldn't be a problem. Did you disconnect the vacuum line from the carb to the petcock? Did you reconnect it? If you open the float bowl drain do you get gas? When you crank do you get fuel coming through the line? Start with making sure you are getting fuel. If you happen to take the tank off pull the plug wire and check for spark (away from gas). Reestablish the basics...fuel and gas...Is there a smell of fuel? When I first got mine I flooded it and the vapors and gas were trapped in the emissions canister and the bike wouldn't start. Pull the airbox cover off and make sure it can breath. You aren't trying to tune it now, you are just trying to get it to fire. My guess is that the vacuum line pulled off the petcock when you rotated the carb...and the bike ran for a few minutes on the fuel in the bowl and line. Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Nelson" Subject: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Date: 23 Sep 1998 20:25:46 -0700 I'm thinking about putting a new exhaust on my '98 klr650. My question is has anybody on this list used the BIG GUN EXHAUST SYSTEM on there KLR. And are they any good. thanks in advance. keith 98 klr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Removed brass plug, bike doesn't run Date: 23 Sep 1998 21:11:24 -0700 Scott- Sounds like fuel starvation. I suspect that the vacuum hose for the petcock is loose at one end. Darrel A12 "Avenger" ****************************** I removed the plug from the pilot jet and changed it from about 3/4 turns out to about 3. Started bike ok. It idled about the same (but sounded different). When it should have been warmed up, I turned off the choke and then tried a little throttle. It died immediately and hasn't started since. Just cranks over with no indication that it's even close to starting. Anyone have any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) JC Whitney Date: 23 Sep 1998 21:01:36 -0700 Bill- There's no 800#. Try 312-431-6102...Fax 312-431-5625...www.jcwhitneyusa.com 24 hours. Darrel A12 "Avenger" ********************************************************* Hi All, Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering a catalog from JC Whitney? Thank you, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Eldredge Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #261 Date: 23 Sep 1998 21:14:57 -0700 Thanks all for suggestions on my carb issue. Found the problem and fixed it (disconnected line masking as connected line). Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:21:40 EDT In a message dated 9/22/1998 9:00:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syoung@tir.com writes: << My dealer swears they NEVER adjust valves at 1st service on the KLRs. There are no other dealers without going hours away, so what's a guy to do? >> I did my own 600 mi. service (the dealer went bye, bye the day after I bought the bike, he's still looking for a shop. Wily Brown and his 49er stadium have killed all but the very rich in the tight San Francisco real estate market.... gripe, gripe.... where was I?) Anyway, all 4 of my valves needed adjustment. Now I have 900 mi. Everything is fine. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Removed brass plug, bike doesn't run Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:21:43 EDT In a message dated 9/23/1998 8:20:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ajax@xmission.com writes: << My guess is that the vacuum line pulled off the petcock when you rotated the carb...and the bike ran for a few minutes on the fuel in the bowl and line. Kurt A12 >> That's my guess too. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Changing tires at home? Date: 23 Sep 1998 23:18:58 -0000 Anyone have any comments/suggestions regarding changing your own tires? Good experiences with certain irons, what to use as rim protector, what type of band aids to use after installation, etc.. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:41:17 EDT On 9/23/98, greenbayrocks@email.msn.com wrote: snip >has anybody on this list used the BIG GUN EXHAUST SYSTEM on there KLR. AFAIK Keith they are still in development. I think it was John Dillinger who when asked why he robbed banks said, "Cuz that's where the money is". Mike Young has developed his system, (tapered head pipe, silencer and arrestor) on other bikes first, because that's where the orders were. Last I spoke with Mike he was reworking the klr silencer (still too loud). I've had mine ordered for almost 6 months. For now it's just vaporware. I might break down and see if I can just try the new head pipe for now. In the mean time the hype's at this site. http://www.off-road.com/~myoung/ Big Gun Exhaust Home Page Redondo Ron (who usually doesn't lust after new head...honest honey) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Changing tires at home? Date: 24 Sep 1998 02:03:56 EDT On 9/23/98, ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: snip >Anyone have any comments/suggestions regarding changing your own tires? >Good experiences with certain irons, what to use as rim protector, what type >of band aids to use after installation, etc.. Masochist! Buy it out, buy a mounter even...or suffer the consequences;) If you insist here's 2 from the archives including our master of ceremonies the great Deli Hama. ========================================= > I'm a newbie that has never had a flat. Are there any good off-road tire > tools out there? Any that have good instructions? Are there any books or > videos on basic motorcycle maintanence and repair? > > Steve > RXC 620 > (seeking the dahli lama of dual sport) > > PS I was thinking that if I could ever make it when y'all got together I > would try to get an afiable veteran among you to try to hold a basic clinic on > topics such as flat fixin'. I'm sure there must be other newbies out there > that wouldn't mind throwing a buck or two into the hat of someone who could > show us some good tips. I know this is what this list is for, but my ten > thumbs require seeing hands-on work in order to emulate. Whatcha think? Steve, I just used DualStar's: 1) tire irons (2); 2) tire iron/box wrench and 3) rim protectors (2) to change my son's tires on his XL100. I carry an extra tube in a pack or on the front fender (Dual Star, Moose, MSR all make spare tube carriers for this purpose). I also carry a Moto-X pump with 3 CO2 cylinders. A number of riders put slime in their heavy duty tubes as well (don't count on patching these). Here are some tire changing tips and tricks: http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/tireproc.htm Changing and Balancing a Motorcycle Tire Kurt Simpson ("deli" ham...aa) ajax@xmission.com http://teksweb.ml.org/Sabikers/changing_tyres.htm Mounting Tires ================================================= >Here are some tire changing tips and tricks: > >http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/tireproc.htm One correction to the article: don't use soap, if you can help it. Heck, on tube-type tires you don't even need lubricant, usually, just talcum to lubricate the tube. If you do need lube, buy a can of bead lube. It is quite slippery, but sets up waterproof and sticky, to help lock the bead from slipping on the wheel under hard acceleration and braking. If you use soap, it gets slippery again as soon as it gets wet, like in the rain, and your tire can slip. You can buy cans of tire mounting lube at a bike shop, or larger amounts at any auto parts discount store. That article seems to be for tubeless tires, not tube-type as on the KLR. There are special techniques for tube-type tires. I've found Clymers manuals to be pretty good for explaining those. I'll go into it myself, if you want, when I have a little more time. **************************************** Dave Svoboda, svoboda@wtc.sel.sony.com 90 Concours, 86 KL600, 86 RZ350, etc DoD, COG, AMA, NRA **************************************** ======================================================== Redondo Ron (who's slippery enough without lube) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) Returning Weave Problem NKLR Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:04:34 +0300 >Fred Hink (torque to me) >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Arrowhead Motorsports >http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html > 435-259-7356 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi, The handlebar weights helped a lot for the wobbling problem. Also some additional air pressure into the front forks seems another plus for those of us who have no place for additional height (I have adjusted my suspensions to their highest points). Steering pivot loosening must be checked regularly, I think. Mine were a little bit loose after a downhill stairs ride( more than 2K prehistoric stairs of a church on top of a hill in Turkey). Are we in aggreement Fred? Birol Say, M.D. (still works for "Doctors Without Borders" and "Search&Rescue Society") > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: Re: (klr650) JC Whitney Date: 24 Sep 1998 06:56:24 -0500 (CDT) > Would someone be so kind as to post the 800 number for ordering a catalog from > JC Whitney? I still get their catalogs but refuse to order from them as they no longer have an 800 number. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) NKLR Darien Date: 24 Sep 1998 08:11:51 What's the method of choice for wearing the liner in a Darien jacket? Black nylon side toward the skin or polartec side toward the skin? The way the sleeve snap tabs are sewn in seems to indicate that the black nylon side would normally be worn against the skin but wouldn't this be less warm than the warm & fuzzy polartec lovingly nestled against your cold parts? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Changing tires at home? Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:05:48 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906642348_boundary Content-ID: <0_906642348@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/23/98 11:43:33 PM EST, ericjazz@mindspring.com writes: << Anyone have any comments/suggestions regarding changing your own tires? Good experiences with certain irons, what to use as rim protector, what type of band aids to use after installation, etc.. TIA >> The best advice I can offer is: If you don't know where to start, don't. I do my own tires at home, and I'm really not prepared with the right stuff, but I do it. I grew up working in my Dad's full service station so I learned how to change everything from bicycle to 22" semi tires. I raced motorcycles for many years, so I had to do all of my own work. These tires are NOT easy, and if you make a mistake, you will have to start all over again. Anyway, if you want to discuss this more send me a note directly to my e-mail. By the way, when I get new tires this spring, I'm going to have a shop do it for me...... If I had all of the neat tools, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, like a stand for holding the wheels, and good air compressor, etc. Anyway, this is my $.03 worth. (My price has gone up...) MN Ron --part0_906642348_boundary Content-ID: <0_906642348@inet_out.mail.mindspring.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v50.11) with SMTP; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:43:33 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA26104; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zM3D4-0003YW-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:40:54 -0600 Received: from [207.69.200.58] (helo=camel8.mindspring.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zM3D2-0003YR-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:40:52 -0600 Received: from default (user-38lc93b.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.36.107]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA04074 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bde748$a0549040$6b2456d1@default> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ericjazz@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have any comments/suggestions regarding changing your own tires? Good experiences with certain irons, what to use as rim protector, what ty= pe of band aids to use after installation, etc.. TIA --part0_906642348_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR warm and fuzzy parts... Date: 23 Sep 1998 20:57:13 -0600 >less warm than the warm & fuzzy polartec lovingly nestled against your cold >parts? Thanks. >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 Here is a guy who is thinking winter.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: Re: Fwd: (klr650) Changing tires at home? Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:27:49 -0400 > >The best advice I can offer is: If you don't know where to start, don't. I >do my own tires at home, and I'm really not prepared with the right stuff, but >I do it. I grew up working in my Dad's full service station so I learned how >to change everything from bicycle to 22" semi tires. I raced motorcycles for >many years, so I had to do all of my own work. These tires are NOT easy, and >if you make a mistake, you will have to start all over again. Anyway, if you >want to discuss this more send me a note directly to my e-mail. By the way, >when I get new tires this spring, I'm going to have a shop do it for me...... >If I had all of the neat tools, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, like a stand >for holding the wheels, and good air compressor, etc. > >Anyway, this is my $.03 worth. (My price has gone up...) > >MN Ron > I disaggree. While I currently don't do my own tires, I will learn how to well before my next set. I'm tired of getting raped by shops asking for $15-$20 per wheel for a mount and balance! Also, if a rider uses the KLR for its designed purpose, there's no one to change tubes for you if you get a flat 10 miles from the nearest person. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:44:10 -0400 I picked up my bike after its 'First Service' yesterday evening. The shop was almost closed and the only guy still left was not the guy who did my bike so I could not ask any questions. He handed me keys and a bill for $127.00 with a receipt that basically had my name and address on it along with the words "1st service completed" and notes regarding the filter was replaced and 3 quarts of oil were used. Nothing else. No shims on the list, so the valves must be perfect, right? My best guess is that they changed the oil, tightened the chain, started it up to see how it ran, which was fine, and called me up to say it was done. I could be wrong since they billed me for 2 hours labor, but today I'll look closely at the bolt heads and see if I can tell if they were even loosened. I'm not holding my breath... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bob KLR Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 5:50 PM I'm on my second KLR and both times the dealer has insisted that I bring it in early so that it can cool down completely for the valve check. The last time, a few weeks ago, he let me take BMW R1100RS for the day while the KLR was in! These guys replace all the bolts that fly off and one time when the luggage rack was loose they took it apart and loc-tited all the bolts so that it wouldn't happen again. I think I have the best dealer on the planet! Mount Diablo Kawasaki/BMW in Walnut Creek, CA. ---- Bob Palin bob@bobpalin.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:44:14 -0400 OK Bob, we're jealous. But it sounds like you may have paid too much for your bike to be getting that kind of service :) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bob KLR Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 5:50 PM I'm on my second KLR and both times the dealer has insisted that I bring it in early so that it can cool down completely for the valve check. The last time, a few weeks ago, he let me take BMW R1100RS for the day while the KLR was in! These guys replace all the bolts that fly off and one time when the luggage rack was loose they took it apart and loc-tited all the bolts so that it wouldn't happen again. I think I have the best dealer on the planet! Mount Diablo Kawasaki/BMW in Walnut Creek, CA. ---- Bob Palin bob@bobpalin.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Re: JC Whitney Date: 24 Sep 1998 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Sorry, they seem to have never gotten a toll free number. Here's their web site where you can order catalogs: www.jcwhitneyusa.com Otherwise the phone number is 312-431-6102 FAX: 312-431-5625 == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (time is running short) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Air Filter Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:49:27 What's the preferred air filter for KLR650's? Stock, UNI, K&N and others all make replacement elements. Which one is the best? In case you haven't guessed, I had to clean my stock filter at 3000 miles as it was quite dirty. Personally, I wouldn't mind a nice disposable pleated paper element that you could just replace every spring at the start of the riding season. I looked into the K&N but that one requires a more ground support than a UH-1 (special oil, special cleaning compound and sealing grease) plus you have to hang it out to dry for several hours like your underwear. Is there an easier way? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: Fwd: (klr650) Changing tires at home? Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:02:29 -0600 >Also, if a rider uses the KLR for its designed purpose, there's no one to >change tubes for you if you get a flat 10 miles from the nearest person. > >Mark Following this logic be sure and use only the tools you carry with you. Unless you've done this before you may be surprised to find there is no wrench to fit the front axle in the toolkit... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:06:07 -0600 >My best guess is that they changed the oil, tightened the chain, started it >up to see how it ran, which was fine, and called me up to say it was done. > Hope your wrong but bet you aren't and that is why I do my own work... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kris.cichon@gsa.gov Subject: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:13:00 -0400 --UNS_gsauns2_2957422125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Hi there; Guys .. Me and Mariola .. , we are just about to depart for our trip to Baja California .. everything is ready .. but ??? DO ANYONE OF YOU KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE MOTORCYCLE TITLE ON OUR HANDS... OUR KLR'S ARE STILL UNDER FINANCING ... DID ANY ONE OF YOU ALREADY CROSSED THAT BORDER HAVING NOTHING BUT REGISTRATION TITLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP ..... WHAT IS A PROPER PROCEDURE -- LEGALWISE ;-) Thanks for Your feedback; Kris&Mariola 2xKLR 650 --Chicago --UNS_gsauns2_2957422125-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreas Nielsen Subject: (klr650) Wobble and mileage Date: 24 Sep 1998 08:52:31 -0700 I've swapped bikes with a friend who rides a VFR, and he says that he feels a front end wobble in my KLR above 70 mph--but I don't. He weighs about 160 lb, I weigh about 210. Mileage on my stock 98 KLR varies as follows: High-speed freeway riding (70-80 mph): 50 mpg Mixture of secondary roads, town traffic, and freeways: 55 mpg Mostly secondary roads at not over 60 mph: 60 mpg There's little variation in the upper and lower categories--the lowest I've ever recorded is 49 mpg, and the highest is 60. Dreas Nielsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:12:07 EDT In a message dated 9/24/98 8:19:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kris.cichon@gsa.gov writes: << REGISTRATION TITLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP ..... WHAT IS A PROPER PROCEDURE -- LEGALWISE ;-) >> In theory you need a letter of permission from the lienholder to take the bikes into Mexico, However I have never had to show vehicle registration in 25 years of riding and driving in Baja. If you are going to the mainland the procedures are much stricter. I highly recommend Salvadori's "Motorcycle Journeys in Baja California" from White Horse Press as well as the auto club's (AAA) Baja guidebook. Be sure to have your tourist permits validated at the border or in Ensenada if you are taking that route. If you are not carrying a -validated- permit you are open to being hassled at the various checkpoints. I have been traveling in Baja for 25 years now and if I can help you in any way please contact me directly and I will be glad to pass on any info that might make your trip to my favorer playground more enjoyable. I will be riding there for two weeks after the Del Mar races, again around Thanksgiving and from mid-December to mid-January. Kurt Grife Avila Beach, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Air Filter Date: 25 Sep 1998 02:27:23 +1000 R. Kaub wrote: > What's the preferred air filter for KLR650's? My stock foam element is good enough in stock trim. I like to use a synthetic, water washable, filter fluid made by aussie company Syn-Lube which saves a lot of hassle. I just wash the element under a tap, squeeze dry and squeeze in the Syn-Lube SLWW. If you happen to see it on a shelf over there, give it a try. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:42:51 -0600 -----Original Message----- rkaub@binghamton.edu ; ajax@xmission.com > > Hi there; > > Guys .. Me and Mariola .. , we are just about to depart for our trip > to Baja California .. everything is ready .. but ??? > > DO ANYONE OF YOU KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE MOTORCYCLE TITLE ON > OUR HANDS... > OUR KLR'S ARE STILL UNDER FINANCING ... > DID ANY ONE OF YOU ALREADY CROSSED THAT BORDER HAVING NOTHING BUT > REGISTRATION TITLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP ..... WHAT IS A PROPER PROCEDURE > -- LEGALWISE ;-) > > Thanks for Your feedback; > > Kris&Mariola > 2xKLR 650 --Chicago > Bill Haycock's response: Kris, To take your BIKE into Mexico you must have EITHER your bike title (preferred as Mexico customs seem more comfortable with a title) or your state registration (the paper you get back with your license plate). Some folks tell me that you need permission from the bike lien holder if a lien holder is noted on your bike's registration papers - I have never had this question come up in four years of border crossings! For YOUSELF (and others) you need proof of citizenship (passport or original or CERTIFIED copy of your birth certificate) Photo copies won't work! You will need a current drivers license (state drivers license is preferred) or International drivers license (either is Okay) You will need a credit card (VISA or Mastercard) that will be valid for at least 60 days after you are due to return to the USA from Mexico and the name on the card must be the same name that is on the bike paperwork (very important that names match here.) They will use your credit card to charge you about $13.00 for the bike import paperwork. Having said all that, I don't think you need anything to enter the Baja as long as you are only going to be in the Baja. If you plan to enter the Baja and take a ferry over to the mainland then you need all the above. I personally would have all the documentation above even going into the Baja, just in case. Bill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: West Hovland Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters: TT or TL? Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:30:43 -0700 Darrel & Deanna wrote: > So I go to my local bike parts supply house to order a set of Avon AM24 > Gripsters for the A12. Well my > supplier's catalog has no mention of the TT model and a call to the Avon > customer service desk reaped only a "never heard of a TT" response. Darrryl The tube type are alot cheaper than the tubeless. About $75 vs $105. They still make the tube type. Another example of the fact that the best parts manager is yourself... go in there armed with the info you need, it bugs the hell out of the guys at the counter, they want you to beleive they know it all and your just a helpless customer. Good luck West ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Desmond, Richard - TAFB/LASPO2" Subject: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:47:43 -0500 Kris, In addition to the other good advice, make sure you have insurance valid in Mexico. US policies are generally not good down there, and if you are in an accident and don't have insurance, you'll end up in jail. I've used AAA for car trips, don't know about bikes. Rich CMRA #352 '97 900CR '87 Concours (for sale) '86 RZ500 (for sale) '85 RZ350 x 2 '86 XT350 (for sale) '80 GS1000S '76 CB400F racing EX's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters: TT or TL? Date: 24 Sep 1998 14:12:19 -0400 At 10:30 AM 9/24/98, West Hovland wrote: Another example of the fact that the best parts manager is >yourself... go in there armed with the info you need, it bugs the hell out of >the guys at the counter, they want you to beleive they know it all and your >just a helpless customer. > >Good luck >West The problem with most parts counter guys is that they don't know shit. They only know what their wholesale catalog tells them. To the parts counter guy, if their supplier doesn't stock it, it doesn't exist. Shop Around, Mark PS: I use Kendas on my bike. They're cheap, they wear well and they give me great grip for the buck. ($22.00 front 3.00-21 / $43.00 rear 5.30-17). I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised. They're a "50/50" tire and they perfom amazingly well on wet pavement too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:23:17 -0600 Experience recently in Baja: Not long ago I took a Yamaha XT500 in back of truck, went 500 miles into = Baja and...... 1. Tecate: Border check for guns and drugs, no questions about the bike. 2. S of Ensenada (Maneadero) check for guns and drugs. No questions about= the bike. 3. Top of hill before El Rosario. Army patrol with assault rifles bigger = than the troops, and grenade launchers and, well, you know the drill. Nobody spea= ks English. Nobody asks about the bike. Questions me in Spanish about guns a= nd drugs and I point to 4-foot-lift jack handle and say this is our machine gun. Slow-witted but polite little fellow smiles and we drive on. I take pictu= res of the operation and nobody says anything. 4. Near Chapala Lake (dry lake). Army patrol and checkpoint. Nobody asks = about bike. Questions about drugs and guns. Les dije que ten=EDa una bomba atom= ica en la caja...... 5. Army checkpoint (fixed checkpoint) at line between north and south Baj= a (Guerrero Negro area). Nobody asks about bike. Want to know if I am carry= ing weapons. I tell them I have a grenade launcher. They laugh. And so it goes. Now, you may have differing mileage. So don't try this at home, I mean, i= n Baja, unless you speak the language fairly well and know the "territory." Krgrife@aol.com wrote:..... However I have never had to show vehicle regi= stration in 25 years of riding and driving in Baja. ....... If you are not carryi= ng a -validated- permit you are open to being hassled at the various checkpoin= ts. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters: TT or TL? Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:28:32 -0600 > > > The problem with most parts counter guys is that they don't know shit. They > only know what their wholesale catalog tells them. To the parts counter > guy, if their supplier doesn't stock it, it doesn't exist. -- Hey! Not true! Or at least not universally true. Time allowing, my dealers knock themselves out to check various distributor catalogs, make calls, ask their shop people, even get on the Internet to check, and then call back. They special order the stuff and even call me the day it comes in. OK- I know. There are some s***heads out there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:25:43 -0700 We don't have to show you no stinking badges. The guy that works next to me, Mario Garcia (that would be Mexican....and fluent) took his bike down to Puerto Nuevo to ride dunes with 5 of his buddies (all Hispanic and fluent). The guy with the new dually truck did not have reg. for his bike....waved into Mexican secondary at Mexican Customs...BIG HASSLE...had to call his wife to bring paperwork from Oceanside, then got pulled over in Ensenada for speeding.....no truck registration.....Mexican Cop settled for $100 bribe in lieu of confiscating truck and contents. Have your paperwork straight or be prepared to suffer the consequences. Another buddy went through the checkpoint at Maneadero without stopping like he has 10 million times to surf K181. This time he spent 2 months in a Mexican jail.....and yes everything you ever heard is true! I personally have never had a bad experience in Baja but I go prepared and always remain aware I am a guest in someone else's country. The UGLY AMERICAN ROUTINE does not work there. The people are fabulous, the cops are underpaid....you figure it out. Have fun. Remember where ever you go there you are! peace Morgan, San Diego ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lance Rushing Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:34:08 -0700 (PDT) I just took my bike to Mexico this last weekend (I live in San Diego). Anyway, All you need is your registration. No one checked my registration while I was down. There are National safety checkpoints in Baja (maybe elsewhere), where the army will ask you were you are going, and were you have been. I don't speak any spanish, so after a couple of "no comprendes" (sp?) I get waived through. I have been told by others that if you get stopped they'll want license, registration, and insurance. Also, you should consider purchaing insurance. Call your current provider and see if they offer any. You can wait to purchase it at the border, there are many, many insurances vendors around the border at San Ysidro. It cost me $14 for the 48 hours I was in Mexico. Baja is a pretty easy and safe trip. There are the "Green angles", a federal supported roadside assistance for tourists. The roads are good, and the drivers aren't much worse than So Californians. Happy riding, Lance On 24 Sep 1998 kris.cichon@gsa.gov wrote: > > Hi there; > > Guys .. Me and Mariola .. , we are just about to depart for our trip > to Baja California .. everything is ready .. but ??? > > DO ANYONE OF YOU KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE MOTORCYCLE TITLE ON > OUR HANDS... > OUR KLR'S ARE STILL UNDER FINANCING ... > DID ANY ONE OF YOU ALREADY CROSSED THAT BORDER HAVING NOTHING BUT > REGISTRATION TITLE TO PROVE OWNERSHIP ..... WHAT IS A PROPER PROCEDURE > -- LEGALWISE ;-) > > Thanks for Your feedback; > > Kris&Mariola > 2xKLR 650 --Chicago > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Re: Fw: GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 13:56:34 -0600 One more thing Kris - Mexico requires liability insurance on your vehicle. Can be a bad scene if you have an accident and no insurance! If you need the name of an insurance company that you can order insurance by phone let me know - we at Pancho Villa moto tours use Sanborn's insurance company - others are available at most border crossing points but it is more convenient and faster to already have it by phone or FAX. Also, many of us who travel in Mexico carry MedEvac/medical Insurance - can be very helpful and much less costly if you need medical care or medical Evacuation from Mexico - I can help you with that too if interested. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) GOING TO MEXICO !!!! Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:27:56 EDT Your Baja check point experiences pretty much reflect mine, I have had no problems with the army troops and just take a friendly cooperative attitude. To those who don't travel there regularly and especially for first timers those check points can be pretty intimidating. The spot that is now often checking for tourist permits is at the border agricultural inspection station at Guerro Negro. It is only a problem for those who haven't validated their tourist permit when crossing the border or at the immigration office in Ensenada. I hadn't actually had to show a tourist permit in over twenty years but in the last year have been asked for it three times. Kurt Grife Avila Beach, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Ellison Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Darien Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:03:58 -0700 At 08:11 AM 9/24/98, you wrote: >What's the method of choice for wearing the liner in a Darien jacket? >Black nylon side toward the skin or polartec side toward the skin? >The way the sleeve snap tabs are sewn in seems to indicate that the black >nylon side would normally be worn against the skin but wouldn't this be >less warm than the warm & fuzzy polartec lovingly nestled against your cold >parts? Thanks. >Bob Kaub >State University of New York >PO Box 6000 >Binghamton, NY 13902 >607-777-2715 > > The black nylon side is normally worn toward the inside. This allows the jacket to easily slide on over any other clothes your wearing. Having the nylon side toward the skin is also slightly warmer as it tends to form a better vapor barrier that way. Of course the jacket is reversable, so it can be worn with the fuzzy side in, but that leaves the zippers on the wrong side, and the jacket tends to get dirtier easier (assuming you are wearing it under the outer protective darian jacket). I like the liner so much I tend to wear it as an everyday jacket. Now if they would just put some side pockets on it..... Ken Ellison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DOUGUR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) NEW GUY - HOW TO CRANK WITH TANK OFF Date: 24 Sep 1998 22:11:48 EDT Hey guys, I'm pretty new to cycles in general and particualrly KLR's so bare with me. I've gottten an '89 model thats been in storage, has very low mileage and I believe is in good shape other than the fuel tank which is very rusty. I've taken the tank off and intend to get a new one. I want to go ahead and try to crank it by connecting the fuel line to a container with fresh gas but I dont really understand how the vacuum hoses work. Can I plug any of the hoses up and get it to start.If so which ones. Obviously I need some help. Thanks, Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: (klr650) [NKLR] First Gear Page Date: 25 Sep 1998 01:40:16 -0400 Here's an interesting link worth a browse: http://www.intersportfashions.com/right/html/right.html You can see the infamous Kilimanjaro, and the "Man...or Astroman" groove suit "Solo Expedition Suit" Enjoy! Jake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Ellison Subject: (klr650) Wobble and mileage Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:02:08 +0100 Dreas Nielsen said: I've swapped bikes with a friend who rides a VFR, and he says that he feels a front end wobble in my KLR above 70 mph--but I don't. He weighs about 160 lb, I weigh about 210. Forgive me if I'm covering old ground, but I'm new around these parts! I get a slight wobble at about 90 - 93 mph, usually when the tyres are worn. Not serious enough to cause problems though. Usually caused crossing white lines, overbanding etc. I am also around 210 - 220 lbs. Ian Ellison Enfield India Motorcycle Challenge Don't be left out - sponsor me NOW! http://www.poptastic.com/iane/ for more info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Darien Date: 25 Sep 1998 07:02:32 -0500 (CDT) > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:11:51 > From: "R. Kaub" > > What's the method of choice for wearing the liner in a Darien jacket? > Black nylon side toward the skin or polartec side toward the skin? > The way the sleeve snap tabs are sewn in seems to indicate that the black > nylon side would normally be worn against the skin but wouldn't this be > less warm than the warm & fuzzy polartec lovingly nestled against your cold > parts? Thanks. I've always worn mine with the nylon on the inside. It doesn't slide on nice and easy with the polartec side inside. It's plenty warm this way. A long sleeve T-shirt, a flannel shirt, and, if needed, an electric vest and I'm toasty. The Darien is the best cold weather moto jacket I've ever had. I didn't buy it for that reason but I'm sure glad that it worked out that way. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: RE: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 25 Sep 1998 08:49:30 -0400 >He handed me keys and a bill for $127.00 with a receipt that basically had >my name and address on it along with the words "1st service completed" and >notes regarding the filter was replaced and 3 quarts of oil were used. >Nothing else. No shims on the list, so the valves must be perfect, right? > >My best guess is that they changed the oil, tightened the chain, started it >up to see how it ran, which was fine, and called me up to say it was done. My experience with "first service" at the dealer for the KLR was exactly the same. The dealer's service manager told me the valves were "checked", but I don't see how it was possible for that amount of service @ $45. plus per hour. I assume it wasn't done. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Hall Subject: (klr650) tire pressure Date: 25 Sep 1998 09:20:54 -0400 Can someone tell me what the proper tire pressure is for stock tires? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Tools Date: 25 Sep 1998 06:57:48 -0700 I am looking at purchasing a good quality torque wrench, any suggestions? What would be my best investment choice in/lbs or ft/lbs ( I really don't need both, do I ? ) ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: RE: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 25 Sep 1998 07:03:10 -0700 ___________________________________________________________ I've had only good experiences with my Kawasaki dealer in 11 years. The dealer is Bellevue Kawasaki in Bellevue, WA. They definitely do check valve clearances on first service (and mine were low on my newest--A13--KLR). Dreas Nielsen _________________________________________________________ Well, I guess it just goes to show you that it just depends on who works at the dealership when you go there. Bellevue Kawasaki is the same @#$% who screwed me around with a defective brand new ZX11. Their shop had my bike for 46 days out of 120 of ownership. They forced me into using the Lemon Law to get any results. Glad your experiences were better than mine but after dealing with them (and Kawasaki of America) I'll never buy a new Kawasaki again. Had to put my plug in for them, thanks. Dean in Seattle 95 VFR750, 94 KLR650 (bought used) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NEW GUY - HOW TO CRANK WITH TANK OFF Date: 25 Sep 1998 08:54:06 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Hey guys, > >I'm pretty new to cycles in general and particualrly KLR's so bare with me. >I've gottten an '89 model thats been in storage, has very low mileage and I >believe is in good shape other than the fuel tank which is very rusty. I've >taken the tank off and intend to get a new one. I want to go ahead and try to >crank it by connecting the fuel line to a container with fresh gas but I dont >really understand how the vacuum hoses work. Can I plug any of the hoses up >and get it to start.If so which ones. Obviously I need some help. > >Thanks, > >Doug Doug, you should be able to just hook the fuel line up to your tank and crank...the one vacuum line goes to the petcock to actuate it and will be important when you get the tank bank on...the other two lines coming off the tank are not essential to your mission... Kur A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) '96 FS 1400 Miiles $2,900 OBO Date: 25 Sep 1998 08:55:40 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDE862.4594F170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, the above classified for sale last night in Salt Lake City if anyone = is interested and nearby.. Kurt A12 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDE862.4594F170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDE862.4594F170-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Wobble and mileage Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:11:57 -0700 At 10:02 AM 9/25/98 +0100, Ian Ellison wrote: > Dreas Nielsen said: > > I've swapped bikes with a friend who rides a VFR, and he says that >he > feels a front end wobble in my KLR above 70 mph--but I don't. He >weighs > about 160 lb, I weigh about 210. > >Forgive me if I'm covering old ground, but I'm new around these parts! > >I get a slight wobble at about 90 - 93 mph, usually when the tyres are worn. >Not serious enough to cause problems though. Usually caused crossing white >lines, overbanding etc. I am also around 210 - 220 lbs. > > It might have to do with weight distribution. The KLRs basicly "dirt bike" layout has a decidedly rearward weight bias. As I have modded mine, the weight distribution has been moved ever more foreward and the bike has become more stable as a result. Your differences in weight may well be making the difference here. If I was seeking to work out a wobble in a KLR, the first thing I would try is moving more crap foreward, like luggage, toolbox, ect. -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,900 mi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:53:45 EDT In a message dated 9/25/1998 7:02:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vfr750@gte.net writes: << I've had only good experiences with my Kawasaki dealer in 11 years. The dealer is Bellevue Kawasaki in Bellevue, WA. They definitely do check valve clearances on first service (and mine were low on my newest--A13--KLR). Dreas Nielsen _ >> About this valve clearance/dealer warranty service stuff. The base manual, suppliment manual, and my owners manual all state very clearly that valves are to be checked/adjusted at 500mi (800 km) and then at every multiple of 6000 mi (10,000 km) thereafter. Any dealer who fails to do this is not doing his job. As I mentioned earlier, I did my own valves at 500 mi. and found all 4 had tightened up a little, and needed to be re-shimmed. A little side note: I got these shims at Pineapple Honda Kawasaki in Oakland. I paid $10.50 for each shim, and two of the shims were used! I couldn't tell they were used, as it's pretty dark by the parts counter (poor lighting) and there was, of course, oil and a plastic wrapper on the shims. If I'm going to buy used parts, I want to know they are used, I also expect to pay less than new price for them. What would have happened to me if I had trusted them to do my warranty service? Everybody there was "nice" enough. As someone else on this list recently said "This is why I do my own maintainence." Jeff A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NEW GUY - HOW TO CRANK WITH TANK OFF Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:53:44 EDT In a message dated 9/25/1998 8:12:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ajax@xmission.com writes: << Doug, you should be able to just hook the fuel line up to your tank and crank...the one vacuum line goes to the petcock to actuate it and will be important when you get the tank bank on...the other two lines coming off the tank are not essential to your mission... Kur A12 >> BUT, be sure to plug the source of the vacuum... the carb. If you don't, the bike will be very hard to start (serious vacuum leak) and if it does start, you'll get lots of popping and sputtering. Jeff A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: running with no tank & torque wrenches. Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:25:09 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, klr650-digest wrote: > From: DOUGUR@aol.com > Subject: (klr650) NEW GUY - HOW TO CRANK WITH TANK OFF > > taken the tank off and intend to get a new one. I want to go ahead and try to > crank it by connecting the fuel line to a container with fresh gas but I dont > really understand how the vacuum hoses work. Can I plug any of the hoses up > and get it to start.If so which ones. Obviously I need some help. I have a Motion Pro plastic tank that holds about a liter of gas that's made just for this purpose. I hang it from a rafter with a piece of nylon cord. Before I bought the Motion Pro I used an old lawn mower tank. I just stick a small bolt in the vacuum line. I haven't tried to run the engine without plugging the line but I assume that it won't run properly unless you plug the line as it connects directly to the carb venturi. > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:57:48 -0700 > From: Brian > Subject: (klr650) Tools > > I am looking at purchasing a good quality torque wrench, any > suggestions? What would be my best investment choice in/lbs or ft/lbs ( > I really don't need both, do I ? ) ? I have two, a big 1/2 inch drive foot-pound wrench and a 3/8 drive in-lb (kg-m). I don't use the big one very often but I like to have it around for axle bolts and the like. I use the in-lb (kg-m) for most everything else. Both are micro-adjusting click type wrenches. I like them a lot as you don't have to look at anything when you're setting the torque. The down side is that they are quite expensive, easy to screw-up if you don't care for them properly, and need to be calibrated every once in a while. For reliability and cost you can't beat the old fashoned deflecting beam type. The only down side is that you have to be able to see the face of the guage when torquing a bolt. Usually it's not a problem bus sometimes you have to contort your body into some strange positions to be able use the wrench and see the guage. Cheers -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: (klr650) KLR250 in AlcoPark? Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:33:49 -0700 Hey folks! I have been on Jury Duty for the last three weeks or so. (Yuck) Yesterday or the day before there was a nice clean CA model 1993 KLR-250 in the Alameda County Parking garage in Oakland by the superior court. Was that a lister? b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) NKLR what brand tools? Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:46:46 -0700 List, In the past I always trusted Craftsman tools..... I still do and I want to buy an inch lb. torque wrench now....recommendations please for any others to consider? It's too bad really, but Sears is letting the tool department die....or so it appears. Maybe there's more money in lingerie and window dressings now. I think I'll probably want to get the old reliable beam type. thanks eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) NEW GUY - HOW TO CRANK WITH TANK OFF Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:50:47 -0700 Where are you located? Is this a CA bike or 49 state model. If you're near Oakland, CA I would come out and help ya. I have an '89 too. Usually there's just two lines going to the carb, the big one is for gas, the small one delivers vacuum to the petcock. Plug the small one, supply gas to the big one. If the carb is clean and you have spark it should fire right up. Cheers! Chris DOUGUR@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm pretty new to cycles in general and particualrly KLR's so bare with me. > I've gottten an '89 model thats been in storage, has very low mileage and I > believe is in good shape other than the fuel tank which is very rusty. I've > taken the tank off and intend to get a new one. I want to go ahead and try to > crank it by connecting the fuel line to a container with fresh gas but I dont > really understand how the vacuum hoses work. Can I plug any of the hoses up > and get it to start.If so which ones. Obviously I need some help. > > Thanks, > > Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: Re: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 25 Sep 1998 11:20:44 -0700 > A little side note: I got these shims at Pineapple Honda Kawasaki in Oakland. > I paid $10.50 for each shim, and two of the shims were used! I couldn't tell > they were used, as it's pretty dark by the parts counter (poor lighting) and > there was, of course, oil and a plastic wrapper on the shims. If I'm going to > buy used parts, I want to know they are used, I also expect to pay less than > new price for them. What would have happened to me if I had trusted them to do > my warranty service? Everybody there was "nice" enough. As someone else on > this list recently said "This is why I do my own maintainence." > > Jeff A12 It's not unusual to get used shims and be charged a small fee for the exchange. I've been fortunate with my local dealer and he's just swapped them straight across but did warn me they were going to start charging $3 per shim for the trade (VFR or KLR). You did take in the old ones to exchange them, didn't you? You should verify the thickness with calipers to be sure it's in the proper range you need (especially when it's a used shim). Dean in Seattle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fwd Date: 25 Sep 1998 13:08:53 -0600 >>From myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu Wed Sep 23 10:54:31 1998 >Received: from [132.194.25.201] (helo=ceo.cudenver.edu) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) > id 0zLsBS-0004ez-00 > for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:54:30 -0600 >Message-id: >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:56:41 -0600 >Subject: Re: (klr650) speed wobble list results so far >To: rhefferan@yahoo.com, klr650@lists.xmission.com >From: myoung2@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >It's also critical to check that the tire pressure isn't too high. When I >first bought my KLR it was frightening at speeds over 60 mph. After trying >a number of things I checked the tire pressure. It was set at almost 40 >psi. Taking it down to 25 - 30 solved the problem for me. The bike has the >stock fender, shocks, hand guards, wind screen, and tires. I can cruise at >80 + mph for hours without any weave or wobble. > >I do notice that the KLR will weave a bit in turbulent air though. If I'm >20 feet or so behind an SUV the air coming off it will cause a slight >wobble. It must be the turbulence, since riding into a strong head wind, >or fighting a cross wind doesn't upset things at all for me. Next time you >notice a wobble, and there is some traffic, try backing off or passing to >give yourself some distance. Maybe that'll do the trick. > > ~marcus~ > >rhefferan@yahoo.com writes: >> Here's an updated list of things to check. >> >>OPINION DESCRIPTION NUMBER OF RESPONSES >>low air pressure in front tire: 1 @ <21psi >>low front fender replacement: 1 opinion >>high front fender: 1 opinion >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>WOBBLE PROBLEM CHECKLIST >>1. Tire Brand and model and size >>2. Tire pressure both front/back >>3. Tires balanced and checked for roundness >>4. Wheels checked for run out >>5. Wheel alignment checked >>6. Fork air pressure equal and ambient (or not?) >>7. Fork springs? Stock, Progressive or other >>8. Fork position in triple clamps >>9. All fork, axle and swingarm fasteners tightened to spec. >>10. Steering bearing play in spec. >>11. Rear suspension settings >>12. Loading (your riding weight plus gear and how mounted) >>13. Wind screen (stock or other and size) >>14. Any other parts attached that may alter aerodynamics >> (Saeng Winglets, low fender, other handguards, etc.) >>12. Any drops or crashes >> >>Additional problem items: >> 13. Front directional tire mounted backwards >> 14. Knobs on the front tire excessivly worn, one side higher than >> the other >> 15. Fork oil viscosity >> 16. Swingarm bearing play in spec. >> 17. Engine mount bolts torqued correctly >> 18. Female passenger not facing male on tank :) >> >>Keep 'em coming (no pun intended) >> >> >>== >>Rex (93 KLR650) >> >>For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see >>http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm >>(time is running short) >> >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEVCO1@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR what brand tools? Date: 25 Sep 1998 15:49:21 EDT In a message dated 9/25/98 10:45:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eroads@europa.com writes: << It's too bad really, but Sears is letting the tool department die....or so it appears. Maybe there's more money in lingerie and window dressings now. I think I'll probably want to get the old reliable beam type. >> Eric: Just a note that historically Sears only used the Craftsman logo on their best line of domestic tools. This strategy has changed in the last ten years and there are a lot of cheap imported tools in the Craftsman line. If you want the quality Sears built their reputation on, buy the most or more expensive tool in any given category they have available. Otherwise, shop the competition if you want your monies worth. FYI, Home Depot's Husky line are excellent tools as are a number of other brands available at home centers and hardware stores nationwide. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Side Protectors Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:59:00 -0700 Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : 1. construction material - aluminum? 2. bolts to the bottom rear rack bolt and top rear peg bracket bolt -- new longer bolts supplied or factory bolts used? 3. how much? $____.US 4. tubing (square or round?) torsion rigidity, is it twistable? 5. worth the investment? Thanks Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR what brand tools? Date: 25 Sep 1998 15:36:07 -0500 Bill wrote: > FYI, Home Depot's Husky line are excellent tools as are a number of other > brands available at home centers and hardware stores nationwide. > Bill I second this recommendation. Husky tools are excellent. I've been using their sockets and wrenches for a couple of years. They show amazingly little wear on their mating surfaces after all of the abuse I put them through. They also have a great selection of 'neato' tools like spark plug sockets with built-in swivel joints. These are great for working on cars designed by people who never have to work on them. :-) You could also go for Snap-On or MAC tools but you will pay a hefty price. David M. King ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Hall Subject: re: (klr650) Side Protector Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 17:01:21 -0400 Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : 1. construction material - aluminum? steel, I believe; definately heavier than aluminum 2. bolts to the bottom rear rack bolt and top rear peg bracket bolt -- new longer bolts supplied or factory bolts used? old rear used in front; new rear supplied 3. how much? $____.US I forget; I think it was around $70 4. tubing (square or round?) torsion rigidity, is it twistable? round; definately not twistable; very rigid 5. worth the investment? absolutely!! saved my bike from a couple of dumps. Mostly keeps my luggage from getting burned up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Side Protectors Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 14:57:42 -0600 > Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : I paid $140 with powder coating plus shipping and handling...Wouldn't be w/o em.... Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: (klr650) NKLR tools info THANKS! Date: 25 Sep 1998 14:31:24 -0700 Thanks to all who responded (and whoever may yet offer comments) I agree with the remarks on Sears tools, to buy at the top of the line. I've been willing to pay $6 for good #2 phillips screwdrivers from them and feel it's worth it. There's a Home Depot near me, and I plan to check the Husky tools as per several recommendations. This came as somewhat of a surprise as I remember from many years back that my impression of Husky was not that great. But I know how to take advice, and, well, if I can't trust you guys, who *can* I trust? So thanks! eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) RE; Jackets Date: 25 Sep 1998 17:42:24 -0400 Jake wrote:>>>>> http://www.intersportfashions.com/right/html/right.html You can see the infamous Kilimanjaro, and the "Man...or Astroman" groove suit "Solo Expedition Suit" <<<< Jake: I can't find the Kilimanjaro. Is it listed under another name. Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) Side Protectors Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 14:56:48 PDT > Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : > >1. construction material - aluminum? No. High strength steel hydraulic tubing. >2. bolts to the bottom rear rack bolt and top rear peg bracket bolt -- >new longer bolts supplied or factory bolts used? Longer bolts supplied. >3. how much? $____.US As I recall, somewhere in the neighborhood of $150. >4. tubing (square or round?) torsion rigidity, is it twistable? Tubing is round. I couldn't tell you about the torsion or rigidity. >5. worth the investment? MORE THAN worth the investment, in my opinion. They look as if they came with the bike. I keep mine attached on a permanent basis. > >Thanks >Brian. Your welcome. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR Tim Bernard at Drive Line Service, 1-208-377-8770 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #264 Date: 25 Sep 1998 18:41:07 EDT In a message dated 9/25/98 8:04:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner- klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > >He handed me keys and a bill for $127.00 with a receipt that basically had > >my name and address on it along with the words "1st service completed" and > >notes regarding the filter was replaced and 3 quarts of oil were used. > >Nothing else. No shims on the list, so the valves must be perfect, right? > > > >My best guess is that they changed the oil, tightened the chain, started it > >up to see how it ran, which was fine, and called me up to say it was done. > > My experience with "first service" at the dealer for the KLR was exactly > the same. The dealer's service manager told me the valves were "checked", > but I don't see how it was possible for that amount of service @ $45. plus > per hour. I assume it wasn't done. > I have learned to request that the mechanic write down the measured valve clearances on the service receipt. This may help to keep the dealer honest about actually doing the work and not just reporting it (although he may just make up the numbers!). Also since my dealer charges for his shop time by the hour ($65.00!!!) I can verify his charges against the time and the work done. We have two KLRs which I take in on successive days for the work. It always seems to take them longer tho do exactly the same work on my wife's bike as it does on mine. The shop blames this on the mechanic and the time it takes him. Seem that you have to pay to help train their less experienced mechanics. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Rear brake master cylinder Guard Date: 25 Sep 1998 19:13:06 EDT I have just finished installing the ZX6 rear master cylinder guard on my 91 KLR650, it fits perfectly with the stock bolts and looks good. My local dealer (San Luis Motorsports in San Luis Obispo, CA) charged me $11.81 including Ca.'s infamous sales tax. Kawasaki Part # 55020-1502-Thanks to Fred Hink for the Part #. Kurt Grife Avila Beach, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Side Protectors Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 17:08:11 -0600 Another item: right now, they take a LONG time to get. I've been waiting over a month since I placed my order. Brian wrote: > Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : > > 1. construction material - aluminum? > 2. bolts to the bottom rear rack bolt and top rear peg bracket bolt -- > new longer bolts supplied or factory bolts used? > 3. how much? $____.US > 4. tubing (square or round?) torsion rigidity, is it twistable? > 5. worth the investment? > > Thanks > Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: Flat Klr tires Date: 24 Sep 1998 07:26:02 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Hey Im new to the KLR game, but a while ago when I was much younger, >like 1980, I use to race desert with a Yamaha IT400. The tires that I >always used, general knobby tires, you could ride them for miles flat to >get home. You just had to take it easy. >So now tell me, doesnt my new KLR have these tires? Maybe not,?! > Tony > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Rear brake master cylinder Guard Date: 25 Sep 1998 06:20:49 -0600 >I have just finished installing the ZX6 rear master cylinder guard on my 91 >KLR650, it fits perfectly with the stock bolts and looks good. My local >dealer (San Luis Motorsports in San Luis Obispo, CA) charged me $11.81 >including Ca.'s infamous sales tax. >Kawasaki Part # 55020-1502-Thanks to Fred Hink for the Part #. >Kurt Grife >Avila Beach, Ca > > Does it protect the master cylinder and the black plastic thingie that plugs into it? This last was what broke on me when I did my Artie Johnson in Moab...twas lovely Mary and her cannibalized '96 that saved me from spending the weekend in the local brew pub... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: omegacolor@sssnet.com Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) as seen on TV... Metrench, the ultimate tool set? Date: 25 Sep 1998 09:04:26 -0700 Ok, like don't drum me off the list for this, but since we're discussing tools... Anyone tried that "Metrench" (sp?) tool set as advertised on TV? Technological wonder, or a tragic waste of steel? My Taiwan socket set is in serious need of an upgrade, so I thought I'd check the ultimate authority - THE KLR LIST! Thanks. Scott Warstler OH , A3 (No wobble, but can get a little twitchy at 80MPH - full worn knobbies) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Subject: (klr650) Honda Varadero 1000 Date: 25 Sep 1998 21:10:41 -0400 Check out H's new contraption. http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/hova101.htm Dave Sim 97 KLR650 Kitchener, Ontario ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) Side Protectors Racks Date: 25 Sep 1998 22:33:15 -0500 I think I got one of his last sets in stock. They came in two days. I thougt $140 was a little steep, but who else makes 'em? Just don't let Janet Reno know that he's cornered the market ;) (chuckle) They're pretty cool, look great and they sure do their job! Warning for Tengai owners: they don't fit without frame modification because the passenger pegs are in a different location. Mark B2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Riders Warehouse Date: 25 Sep 1998 19:58:01 -0700 Anybody look closely at the front of the current RW Catalogue, in the bottom right corner the is a KLR650 with a 3/4 fairing. Anybody know where and how much you can get that for? jus' wondering BB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR what brand tools? Date: 25 Sep 1998 23:41:11 EDT In a message dated 98-09-25 15:51:50 EDT, NEVCO1@aol.com writes: << FYI, Home Depot's Husky line are excellent tools as are a number of other brands available at home centers and hardware stores nationwide. >> This is true. I built an entire kit with Husky tools and they have held up well. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Riders Warehouse Date: 25 Sep 1998 23:43:47 -0400 I believe that is a Tengai in the picture. I assume were looking at the one with the red Yamaha banner in the background? Jake Brian wrote: > > Anybody look closely at the front of the current RW Catalogue, in > the bottom right corner the is a KLR650 with a 3/4 fairing. Anybody know > where and how much you can get that for? > > jus' wondering > BB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Back from Phoenix Date: 25 Sep 1998 23:50:31 EDT Well, I'm back from Phoenix. Didn't have time to put my KLR back together before the trip so I took the Virago instead. On the way home, I put my Nolan N100 on at 8:00 a.m. and didn't remove until I got home at 5:00 P.M. A truly comfortable helmet. I'd like to know how many people die in motorcycle accidents in Phoenix on a yearly basis. I saw hardly any motorcyclists at all and think I know why, they must all have been killed off! By the second day, I was considering renting a car for the rest of the week. You Phoenicians have a wonderful city, but visiting is enough for me. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Back from Phoenix Date: 25 Sep 1998 21:54:04 -0700 -----Original Message----- > > >>Well, I'm back from Phoenix. > >You Phoenicians >>have a wonderful city, but visiting is enough for me. >> >>Gino >> >>===========pretty cool use there Gino, but I gotcha. I'm quite sure the >residents of Phoenix would as much prefer to be called Phoenicians, as the >ancient Phonecians would hate to be called Phoenixians. ....damn lotta >phoe stuff there, huh? ...or are you just saying phoey? >...harumph!....heh heh! > >eric > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Gendreau Subject: (klr650) Fork tube position Date: 25 Sep 1998 22:14:24 -0700 What is the proper position of the fork tubes in the triple clamps? I've got a 98 KLR, and the top of the fork tubes extend about 2.5 to 3" above the highest part of the clamp, winding up with the fork cap nuts being about level with the instrument panel. I was purchasing some Progressive springs, and the sales person commented that my forks looked squashed. I thought the fork boots just fit tight; I've had the bike a year (bought new) and never modified the forks or requested the seat level be dropped. I noted that Gino (I think) commented once that the fork tubes tops should be flush with the top of the clamps -- true on 98's? Also: If I adjust the height of the fork tubes so that each is equally above or below the level of the clamp, will this guarantee that the front wheel will be aligned correctly? Or is there some other aligning necessary to compensate for any possible variation in the trueness of the triple clamp? When I bought the bike, I was startled by how misaligned the headlight beam was...and I've noticed some front end weirdnesses at higher speeds. Now I'm wondering if a fork tube move explains this. Or maybe I'm seeing things.... Thanks for any input. Rob Rob Gendreau Oakland, California gendreau@ccnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Roe Subject: Re: (klr650) RE; Jackets Date: 26 Sep 1998 00:06:57 -0500 Pat, the Kilimanjaro is listed under the Hypertex heading. I have owned one for almost a year. It is a great jacket. I plan on purchasing the Hypertex Over Pants before winter sets in. (...that should be around February here in Houston). Wes PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > Jake wrote:>>>>> > http://www.intersportfashions.com/right/html/right.html > > You can see the infamous Kilimanjaro, and the "Man...or Astroman" groove > suit "Solo Expedition Suit" > <<<< > > Jake: > > I can't find the Kilimanjaro. Is it listed under another name. > > Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Gendreau Subject: (klr650) Replacing fork springs Date: 25 Sep 1998 22:14:27 -0700 Is it possible to put in new (Progressive) fork springs without removing the fork tubes? I've never done this mod, but it seems possible. I figure the less I mess with the better. Also, how does one determine the level of the oil in the fork? I suppose when I pull the plug on the bottom I could just measure it and add the same amount, but the new spring may have more volume than the old one. And can one hacksaw the spacer to the required size? I'd kinda like some guidance before I get parts spread all over the garage ;) Thanks, Rob Rob Gendreau Oakland, California gendreau@ccnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (klr650) Riders Warehouse Date: 26 Sep 1998 03:45:33 -0700 Does the Tengai come with a 3/4 fairing? I have never seen one up here in Canada before. Yes it is the one with the red 'Yamaha' banner behind it. What are the differences in the Tengai vs A12? (suspension, eng., etc.) is it closer to a KLX? "J. Taylor" wrote: > I believe that is a Tengai in the picture. I assume were looking at the > one with the red Yamaha banner in the background? > > Jake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork tube position Date: 26 Sep 1998 20:45:41 +1000 Rob Gendreau wrote: > What is the proper position of the fork tubes in the triple clamps? I've [...] > I noted that Gino (I think) commented once that the fork tubes tops > should be flush with the top of the clamps -- true on 98's? AFAIK, true on all, including the 600s. > Also: If I adjust the height of the fork tubes so that each is equally > above or below the level of the clamp, will this guarantee that the front > wheel will be aligned correctly? Or is there some other aligning > necessary to compensate for any possible variation in the trueness of the > triple clamp? It's about as close as you can get within the manufacturing tolerances, assuming no crash damage and no aligning jig to check the bike with. > When I bought the bike, I was startled by how misaligned the headlight > beam was...and I've noticed some front end weirdnesses at higher speeds. > Now I'm wondering if a fork tube move explains this. Or maybe I'm seeing > things.... Nope, moving the forks up the clamps _will_ change important steering dimensions. Maybe you've noticed that you tend to slide down the seat a bit much during braking, as well. I did, when my bike was improperly prepared out of the crate. Once you level the fork tops with the top clamp, you'll notice some difference in the steering. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) as seen on TV... Metrench, the ultimate tool set? Date: 26 Sep 1998 20:32:25 +1000 omegacolor@sssnet.com wrote: > Anyone tried that "Metrench" (sp?) tool set > as advertised on TV? TV eh? I've got a set of some Metrinch sockets, as well as some aussie Sidchrome brand conventionals. Metrinch seems like a nice idea. I haven't stressed them yet so can't tell how tough they are. I've blown up sockets before, but haven't had the opportunity more recently (I don't fix other people's cars nearly as much these days). Maybe if/and/or/when I get another Mini I'll give the Metrinch gear a proper stress test. A 4 foot long scaffold pole puts a fair bit of torque on the bolt of a flywheel puller tool, heh heh. Mister_T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Brake Cover Date: 26 Sep 1998 07:37:33 -0400 >>>>> I have just finished installing the ZX6 rear master cylinder guard on my 91 KLR650, it fits perfectly with the stock bolts and looks good. My local dealer (San Luis Motorsports in San Luis Obispo, CA) charged me $11.81 including Ca.'s infamous sales tax. Kawasaki Part # 55020-1502-Thanks to Fred Hink for the Part #. <<<<< You can see a photo of the installed cover at: http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page41.html Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) RE; Jackets Date: 26 Sep 1998 08:10:41 -0400 Any opinions on the differences between the Kilamanjaro and Motoport's Ultra II? Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Replacing fork springs Date: 26 Sep 1998 08:47:56 EDT In a message dated 98-09-26 03:10:25 EDT, gendreau@ccnet.com writes: << s it possible to put in new (Progressive) fork springs without removing the fork tubes? I've never done this mod, but it seems possible. I figure the less I mess with the better. Also, how does one determine the level of the oil in the fork? I suppose when I pull the plug on the bottom I could just measure it and add the same amount, but the new spring may have more volume than the old one. And can one hacksaw the spacer to the required size? I'd kinda like some guidance before I get parts spread all over the garage ;) >> Yes, you can replace the springs without removing the fork tubes. You will need to loosen the top triple clamp bolts in order to remove the fork tube caps. be sure to bleed off any air pressure in the tubes via the valve on the cap. The spacer can be hacksawed, but it must be a square cut. I use a tubing cutter. You can go with the fork oil measurement from the manual and then adjust as needed. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Riders Warehouse Date: 26 Sep 1998 08:52:30 EDT In a message dated 98-09-26 06:46:27 EDT, brbo@uniserve.com writes: << What are the differences in the Tengai vs A12? (suspension, eng., etc.) is it closer to a KLX? >> Tengai's ar closer to KLR's than KLX's. They have the same engine, frame, seat, tail section. The subframe, tank, switches, gauges are diffrent. The front brake is stonger, the front wheel is wider, and the plastic is ABS and not the soft stuff like KLRs. They have a full fairing, but it does not provide much more protection than a KLR. It does slip through the air better thus giving Tengai's better fuel economy. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #266 Date: 26 Sep 1998 10:49:39 EDT In a message dated 9/26/98 4:24:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner- klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > Maybe you've noticed that you tend to slide down the seat a bit much > during braking, as well. > I did, when my bike was improperly prepared out of the crate. > > It seems that many dealers set the bike up this way to lower the seat height for display. Not many people have a long enough inseam to properly fit the KLR. Also many people are intimidated by tall motorcycles. My dealer did not know about the availability of the lowering links. When I took my wife's bike in for service and showed the shop owner the lowered setup he wanted all of the information to help sell new bikes. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Brake Cover Date: 25 Sep 1998 06:52:06 -0600 > You can see a photo of the installed cover at: > > http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page41.html > > Pat Great work guys...here we go again...where would we be without the list, the web page and the newsletter? I'm ordering mine as soon as Fred gets back...these parts do, in fact, break. And you are totally out of luck if they do. I now carry a spare "rear master stay" and the black thingy and o-ring...other listers have broken the rear master stay. This piece should be a must have.... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Reflective tape Date: 26 Sep 1998 12:22:57 PDT Alex, I'm going thru the archives and I saw your post from way back in March regarding the 3M reflective tape. I think I'm going to buy some but I have a few questions first: 1. Is that stuff self-adhesive? 2. If so, will it adhere to things like jackets and pants? That is, is it flexible to follow wrinkles and strong enough to stay on through a wash cycle? 3. How will does it bond to curved surfaces, like helmets and gas tanks? Those of you who haven't seen the post I'm referring to can find this item at the following website: www.gallsinc.com Or you can call them at 1-800-477-7766. Thanks in advance to you and anyone else who can help me out with this. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Kovaliv Subject: (klr650) 99 are movin' Date: 26 Sep 1998 15:40:39 -0400 Hi, I was in Calgary Alberta this week for a trade show and stopped at Blackfoot Motorsports for an hour. A very nice store. While I was there (about an hour) two 99 KLR650s were sold right before my eyes, the floor model and one in a box. I thought this was interesting because they were the only two bikes that were sold while I was there. What are the odds? Michael Kovaliv (Still saving for that KLR) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rkk@mail.utexas.edu (roger kriegel) Subject: (klr650) LOWERING KITS Date: 26 Sep 1998 17:09:52 -0600 im 58.5" and i went to sit on the KLR 650 and the balls of my feet touch the ground but want my heels on the ground too....i sat on a yamaha dual sport with a seat hight of 33.7in and my feet touched ground easily...it looks like i just need to lower bike 1 to 1.5 inches....mechanics at shop didnt know about any lowering kits for the KLR 650 and so im hoping someone out there can tell me how many inches their lowering kit lowered their bike...if my feet cant touch the ground i doubt ill by the bike..so im PRAYING theres something out there. thanks roger Roger the Artful Dodger hm (512) 416-9997 wk (512) 444-0716 rkk@mail.utexas.edu 2809 west william cannon dr#d101 Austin, TX 78745 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) First service and dealers Date: 26 Sep 1998 19:31:38 EDT In a message dated 9/25/1998 11:17:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vfr750@gte.net writes: << It's not unusual to get used shims and be charged a small fee for the exchange. I've been fortunate with my local dealer and he's just swapped them straight across but did warn me they were going to start charging $3 per shim for the trade (VFR or KLR). You did take in the old ones to exchange them, didn't you? You should verify the thickness with calipers to be sure it's in the proper range you need (especially when it's a used shim). Dean in Seattle >> Yes, I did bring my old ones, but there was no mention of exchange. I also brought my micrometer, and the numbers stamped on the shims were accurate. I won't be going back to pineapple Honda/Kawasaki again. It's that simple. If I can't find an honest dealer for my KLR, I'll just do mail order with Wilson's in Fresno (a big shop, got my manuals from them, but there were address problems too, and a parts guy that called me here in SF and said I should come by and pick them up...) Jeff A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Rottenberg Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR tools info Date: 26 Sep 1998 19:34:30 -0500 Hey, I know I watch too much TV, but lately I've been tempted to buy that tool set that works on Standard, metric and rounded nuts/bolts "Metrinch". It sales for $150 or so, and it has yadda yadda yadda .... components. Does anybody own one ? tried one ? Has a friend that has one ? Any real life feedback ? Thanks in advance !! Steve Rottenberg Tuca en IRC (Undernet) Email: tuca@tampabay.rr.com Don't take life so seriously ... it's not permanent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) LOWERING KITS Date: 26 Sep 1998 17:16:21 PDT It looks like i just need to lower bike 1 to 1.5 inches... I'm >PRAYING theres something out there. >thanks >Roger the Artful Dodger >hm (512) 416-9997 >wk (512) 444-0716 >rkk@mail.utexas.edu >2809 west william cannon dr#d101 >Austin, TX 78745 Roger, first of all, buy the thing, you won't regret it. And secondly, once you have your shiny new KLR in the garage, you can call Quality Engine R & D (717-596-3030 or 334-677-1708; I don't know which is correct, as both numbers were published in the newsletter) or Dual Star (206-776-7433) and let them answer your prayers. It looks like they'll lower your bike about an inch and a half. While I've never ordered anything from Quality, I did order a centerstand from Dual Star. They are good people with excellent products, however their inventory management leaves a lot to be desired. At times it can be difficult to even get someone on the telephone. If you know this in advance it may not annoy you as much as it did me. Good luck. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) First Service Date: 26 Sep 1998 20:10:20 -0500 I just checked the valves on my 98' the first time. Both the exhaust's were below min spec, and one intake was at the lowest. I was able to move one shim and only have to buy 2. My dealer got $9.00 per shim. But what do I do on a Saturday afternoon with a KLR torn apart and no shims. Anyway, the job was quite easy. Scary stuff about some of the things people have ran into with their dealers. Could somebody tell me the right way to adjust the balancer chain adjustment bolt? I know it's been mentioned before.. Thanks Jim. > jsprecker@uswest.net < ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Reflective tape Date: 26 Sep 1998 21:34:04 -0400 If you are talking about the 3M SOLAS reflective tape, it does "stretch" a bit to conform to curvy surfaces (like helmets, etc). It does not stick on to clothing well at all. All of my PFD's on my sailboat have SOLAS grade sewn on because of poor adhesion. My sailing foul weather gear has it across the back but it was sewn as well (and seam sealed). It is self adhesive (tenaciously so) on dry, clean surfaces. I have tried to reposition it (during installation) on the back of my Pelican Bag panniers only to have it pull apart-once its down, its pretty much there for good. Hope this answers some of the questions-people say it shows up like daylight in headlights. Its the same stuff most interstate road signs are trimmed with here in Fla...pretty bright stuff. Juan Villarreal wrote: > > Alex, > I'm going thru the archives and I saw your post from way back in > March regarding the 3M reflective tape. I think I'm going to buy some > but I have a few questions first: > > 1. Is that stuff self-adhesive? > > 2. If so, will it adhere to things like jackets and pants? That is, is > it flexible to follow wrinkles and strong enough to stay on through a > wash cycle? > > 3. How will does it bond to curved surfaces, like helmets and gas > tanks? > > Those of you who haven't seen the post I'm referring to can find this > item at the following website: > > www.gallsinc.com > > Or you can call them at 1-800-477-7766. Thanks in advance to you and > anyone else who can help me out with this. > > Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR > "El Lobo Solo" > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) First Service Date: 26 Sep 1998 19:22:26 -0600 -----Original Message----- >I just checked the valves on my 98' the first time. Both the exhaust's were >below min spec, and one intake was at the lowest. I was able to move one >shim and only have to buy 2. My dealer got $9.00 per shim. But what do I do >on a Saturday afternoon with a KLR torn apart and no shims. Anyway, the job >was quite easy. > >Scary stuff about some of the things people have ran into with their >dealers. > >Could somebody tell me the right way to adjust the balancer chain adjustment >bolt? I know it's been mentioned before.. >Thanks >Jim. Just loosen it 3 turns tap lightly with a rubber/plastc mallet on the side of the engine case and retighten not too tight...The hardest part of the valves is just getting to them right? Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Changing my own tires Date: 26 Sep 1998 21:38:13 EDT Greetings, I bought 2 sets of Honda motorcycle tire irons and 4 plastic rim protectors. Also I use a "tire swab" [it looks like a little mop] that is impregnated so when it is dipped in water, it becomes slimy. I think I bought it from Whitney. Just make sure you use one, or plenty of soapy water. Also make sure the bead opposite of where you're working is collapsed so it positions itself well into the deep part of the wheel. That's what gives you the slack so it will easily go on. Practice makes perfect. I use a balance stand. I noticed the latest issue of MCN has the name and address of one. I find changing my own tires is convenient, and it saves money. A lot. Just my opinion' Rick Sanders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork tube position Date: 26 Sep 1998 22:08:18 EDT Jeesh. Same set up as mine! I lowered the forks to about flush with the top triple clamp. Be careful, the torque spec is 15.8lbs on the pinch bolts. I asked my dealer and he told me 28-30lbs. Since this was the same dealer that "set my bike up" I chose to check his figures. I carefully did mine with the bike resting on a block so the front end was suspended. The forks seem fine. Had I noticed any problem I'd loosen the axle, pump the forks a few times then retorque? Oh, my headlight was pointing down, the chain was too tight, the throttle had about 25 degrees of slack, the handle bars were out of whack probably so they'd clear the fork tubes sticking up. I could go on but what's the use? Rick Sanders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Handlebars Date: 26 Sep 1998 20:49:57 PDT Hello folks. Need some help here.... Last Saturday I decided to got out and do my best Scott Summers imitation and succeeded only in treating my beloved KLR like a red-headed stepchild ("I'm sorry baby!..."). Upon my return home I found that my handlebars had been knocked a little forward of where I like them to be. The "fix" was no big deal-- I eased them back by inserting a hammer between the main bar and cross strut and pulling slowly. With this bit of leverage, I was able to move them fairly readily. Should that be the case? I never had any reason to do it before, so I don't know if that's "normal". I still can't move them by pushing or pulling with my arms, but is that sufficient? If tightening is required, what's the best way to go about doing that? Will I need a torque wrench? Am I asking a lot of questions? Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Side Protector Racks Date: 27 Sep 1998 10:54:16 -0400 I just talked to Dual Star and they said they are coming out with a heat shield for the muffler that may allow use of panniers without melting them if you are trying to cut costs. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Hall Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 5:01 PM Questions about the "Tim Bernard's" Side Racks : 1. construction material - aluminum? steel, I believe; definately heavier than aluminum 2. bolts to the bottom rear rack bolt and top rear peg bracket bolt -- new longer bolts supplied or factory bolts used? old rear used in front; new rear supplied 3. how much? $____.US I forget; I think it was around $70 4. tubing (square or round?) torsion rigidity, is it twistable? round; definately not twistable; very rigid 5. worth the investment? absolutely!! saved my bike from a couple of dumps. Mostly keeps my luggage from getting burned up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Gendreau Subject: (klr650) Extended warranty Date: 27 Sep 1998 12:02:25 -0700 I generally avoid extended warranties on items I buy, finding they are rarely cost effective. Kawasaki recently sent me an offer to extend the warranty on my KLR for two years for over $400 -- kind of a lot, almost 8% of the cost of the bike. It also had some scary provisions, like the exclusion of coverage for repairs required as a result of modifications not approved in writing by Kawa. I can't see any of the common mods causing such damage, but clauses like this do seem to give Kawa a chance to worm out of coverage. Anyway, I have little experience with such warranties on motorcycles, and I'm wondering if it's worth purchasing, and if people who have extended warranties feel they've been dealt with fairly by Kawasaki. Thanks, Rob Rob Gendreau Oakland, California gendreau@ccnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Changing my own tires Date: 27 Sep 1998 16:35:46 EDT In a message dated 98-09-26 21:39:40 EDT, MOTOBEEM@aol.com writes: << I use a balance stand. I noticed the latest issue of MCN has the name and address of one. I find changing my own tires is convenient, and it saves money. A lot. Just my opinion' >> I bought my stand from Spec II. It came with weights and various sized axles. Make sure that the stand has it own bearings so that it soes not depend on the wheel bearings. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Rottenberg Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Date: 27 Sep 1998 17:32:15 -0500 Hi, Recently I got a Bandit 1200. I've got 700 miles on the bike, Today I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a bright thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. Should I take it out and watch my rear tire deflate ? Do I patch it and hope to be safe ? Does the Bandit have a tube tire? I read somewhere (cycle world, motorcyclist or MCN) that you NEVER patch or plug a bike tire. You are supposed to trow it away and buy a new one. With 700 miles on the tire it doesn;t seem right. Any opinions, experience on the subject ? Steve in Tampa 98 B12 95 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nocoffee@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Side Protector Racks Date: 27 Sep 1998 17:52:28 -0700 I bought a section of aluminum dryer duct and cut two identical pieces in a rectangular shape (with rounded edges). I bought some 3/4" machine screws and a handfull of nuts and separated the two aluminum pieces by 1/2" or so (about an inch from the edges). I then smeared a little clear silicone sealent on the threads to keep the nuts from vibrating loose. I removed the original heat shield and used a couple of long stainless steel hose clamps to attach the bottom (inside) layer of aluminum to the muffler. This has worked great under my Pelican bags... >I just talked to Dual Star and they said they are coming out with a >heat >shield for the muffler that may allow use of panniers without melting >them >if you are trying to cut costs. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Extended warranty Date: 27 Sep 1998 18:04:43 -0600 >to worm out of coverage. Anyway, I have little experience with such >warranties on motorcycles, and I'm wondering if it's worth purchasing, >and if people who have extended warranties feel they've been dealt with >fairly by Kawasaki. > >Thanks, >Rob Rob, I asked the same question when I bought my '98 and most people who responded suggested that I put the money toward goodies. I've done that thrice over and have no regrets. So far, the only warranty item I've benefitted from is a new battery when the old one went south at 2,500 miles and 8 months... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DOUGUR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Starts but won't rev Date: 27 Sep 1998 21:58:32 EDT Hey guys, Thanks for the info on starting the bike with the tank off. It cranked right up and idles fine with the choke fully engaged but won't idle with it off and dies when you open the throttle. I assume the carb needs cleaning after setting up for a long time. Is there anything I can try before I have to take it to a shop - maybe gas treatment or something? Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) Anyone ever have this problem? Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400 I pulled off the highway after about 20 miles of speeds between 75 - 100MPH. Went one more block and then pulled into a parking lot in too high of gear and stalled. Pulled in the clutch, hit the starter but it would not start. Wouldn't even fire after multiple attempts. I checked for the obvious (is it turned on and do I have gas) and switched over to reserve tank, same results. Left it alone about 10 minutes, tried again. Won't start. I remembered in the manual it says something about keeping the throttle wide open and hitting the starter. Several attempts at this and it started to fire. I could get it started now, but it would not run at less than 3000 rpms without stalling or running really rough. If you let off the throttle it stalled instantly. Decided to try and make it home so I could tear it apart and look at the plug and carb in my own garage... Turned out to not be necessary. By the time I got home, it had apparently 'healed' itself and was running perfectly normal. Have since driven 100 miles with no problem at slow speeds on trails and high speeds on the expressway. What's up with that? Did the plug just get fouled? There is only 1500 miles on it. Does not seem like bad gas, either. First service was done at dealer approx 900 miles on the ODO. Steve - A12 wicked wobble (California model) 1,500 miles and counting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Anyone ever have this problem? Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:10:00 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Steve Young wrote: > in the manual it says something about keeping the throttle wide open and > hitting the starter. Several attempts at this and it started to fire. I > could get it started now, but it would not run at less than 3000 rpms > without stalling or running really rough. If you let off the throttle it > stalled instantly. > > Decided to try and make it home so I could tear it apart and look at the > plug and carb in my own garage... Turned out to not be necessary. By the > time I got home, it had apparently 'healed' itself and was running perfectly > Steve - A12 wicked wobble (California model) Steve, What you most likely experienced was carb icing. The same thing happened to me, wouldn't start unless I really cranked the throttle. Eventually after five or so minutes it ran perfectly. It might have taken your bike longer to "heal" because of more severe icing, due to your high cruise speed. The topic of icing was a talked about a while back, and seems to occur only occasionally with the KLR. It's covered in the archives if you're interested (good luck trying to find it :) Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) BMW style rims to run tubeless tires? Date: 27 Sep 1998 23:07:23 -0000 I don't like tubes. They don't like me. Anyone try lacing up rims similar to the BMW style, where the spokes attach to the rim without going into the rim? btw, thanks for the info regarding changing your own tires, I remember doing it when I was a kid, but we used lots of hammers and stuff then. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SAM DILLINGHAM" Subject: RE: (klr650) Back from Phoenix Date: 27 Sep 1998 21:39:45 -0700 > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:50:31 EDT > From: K650dsn@aol.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Back from Phoenix > I'd like to know how many people die in motorcycle accidents in Phoenix on a yearly basis. I > saw hardly any motorcyclists at all and think I know why, they must all have been killed off! > By the second day, I was considering renting a car for the rest of the week. You Phoenicians > have a wonderful city, but visiting is enough for me. Gino So Gino, what kind of problems did you have here? Other than that everyone here has come here from somewhere else (in the last two weeks), and learned to drive in a "different" style, I hadn't noticed any problems. Just remember, if the right blinker, left blinker, or no blinker is on, the car may turn left, right, or not at all. Be careful of cars with no turn signals on, because they are almost certain to turn immediately, that is, if they don't backup before turning... Oh, and be especially careful of cars in the right lane, they are almost certain to execute an immediate left turn. The opposite is true of cars in the left lane. And the cars in that "special" center lane bounded by yellow lines, are in the "free fire" zone, and get to turn in ANY direction without signaling (including U-turns), or accelerate madly to the next intersection so that they can cut you off if you attempt to enter the left turn lane there. See, just memorize a few simple rules and you'll be safe as if you were at home (in a bathtub full of water, holding a live 220v wire)! ;-) -Sam Dillingham (Who has survived 49 years here...but it IS getting tougher!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) BMW style rims to run tubeless tires? Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:37:41 -0600 Tubeless tires are evil. It is quite difficult to reliably reseal a tubeless tire with a broken bead in the field without the right strap and much skill (and air pressure source). Better to learn to deal with the evils you know than the tubeless ones. The BMW R100 GS rims are screwy. They have nipples where their other end ought to be, and the threaded-nut end is in the hub rather than in the rim. The rims themselves are so rigid that only 14 people in the world know how to lace and true a GS rim in less than 40 hours. Also, you would have to get specially made spokes to fit the distance between rim and KLR hub. The R100 GS rims were about US$400 each when I priced a replacement for my old Paris Dakar. You are looking at a project that would probably run well over US$700. Best, Dr Robert The Evil Wizard ericjazz@mindspring.com wrote: > I don't like tubes. They don't like me. Anyone try lacing up rims similar > to the BMW style, where the spokes attach to the rim without going into the > rim? > > btw, thanks for the info regarding changing your own tires, I remember doing > it when I was a kid, but we used lots of hammers and stuff then. > > TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Re: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:05:22 -0700 1998 KLR650, 6k miles I put a Cobra muffler on and replaced my stock air filter with a K&N filter, and replaced my #148 stock main jet with a #156. Now my bike's got lots more mid-range power, a nicer sound, and it runs a little cooler (being on the rich side). I put eight (8) 1/2" holes in the muffler baffle, since the stock inside pipes were so restrictive. Now I can lift the front wheel in first gear by just opening the throttle, no shifting weight or clutch fanning. I can do over 100 mph on level ground. I get about 50mpg average, on the road and around town. I took off the clear top part of the fairing, because it helped the helmet noise. My valves are still within factory limits. I use AMSOIL, to minimize wear. My bike gets warm (never hot) when I'm running in the dirt at low speeds; or in traffic. But out on the road, it never gets above halfway on the gauge. Someone put a 16-tooth front sprocket on his bike. Does anyone know, do you have to modify the front sprocket guard casting to fit the larger sprocket? My KLR650 is more powerful than the XL650 I had, probably because the liquid cooling allows for higher compression. And it's likely to be more durable. It's the second-best bike I've owned. My Voyager XII (also a Kawasaki) is the best. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Starts but won't rev Date: 28 Sep 1998 01:15:31 EDT In a message dated 9/27/1998 7:01:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DOUGUR@aol.com writes: << Hey guys, Thanks for the info on starting the bike with the tank off. It cranked right up and idles fine with the choke fully engaged but won't idle with it off and dies when you open the throttle. I assume the carb needs cleaning after setting up for a long time. Is there anything I can try before I have to take it to a shop - maybe gas treatment or something? Doug >> Sounds like a big vacuum leak (you did plug the vacuum line coming off the carb, didn't you?) or a really dirty main jet. You can loosen the carb mounting "hose clamps" and turn it so that the bottom of the carb is exposed, take off the bowl, remove the main jet (brass thingy in the middle with a little hole in it) clean it with any solvent, be careful not to tighten it too much when putting it back in. I really suspect a vacuum leak though, at the carb vacuum fitting. or the possibly loose dangling vacuum hose. Jamming a screw into it won't plug it at all, the threads you know, will leak. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Date: 28 Sep 1998 01:15:30 EDT In a message dated 9/27/1998 2:42:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tuca@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a bright thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. >> I hate it when that happens. Steel radial tires (like Metzler) cannot be patched, other radials can be patched, but to do so effectively is a shop job. The patch has a wiiiiiiiiide base (about 3") and a thick plug. The tire has be broken loose from the rim. BTW, you abviously have a tubeless tire, fix it soon, don't go too fast, no burnies, etc. etc. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Extended warranty Date: 28 Sep 1998 01:15:29 EDT In a message dated 9/27/1998 12:03:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gendreau@ccnet.com writes: << I generally avoid extended warranties on items I buy, finding they are rarely cost effective. Kawasaki recently sent me an offer to extend the warranty on my KLR for two years for over $400 -- kind of a lot, >> -- snip -- <> That is a lot. I got 3 extra years and no limit on miles when I got the bike for and extra $300. These bikes have a good reputation for durability. I got the warranty to make it easier to sell the machine if it doesn't meet my tastes. My other bike is a Triumph 900. If the bike's OK I would pass on the extended warranty at that price. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lance Rushing Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Date: 27 Sep 1998 23:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Nail in the new tire, Ouch! The bandit has tubeless tires. Tire manufactures don't recommend patching or plugging tires. However... My experiences are this: I have plugged two motorcycle rear tires. Both flats were from nails, and in the middle of the tire. NOT the side wall. (If your puncture is in the sidewall, time for a new tire.) I plugged both of these holes with automotive plugs. Both tires were Metzler ME88's. One was on a 92 BMW K75s, and the other an 81 Suzuki GS1100E (making about 140hp). The BMW went another 8,000 miles on the plug, the Suzuki's tire was already old, and went another 1,500. (The Suzuki went flat 7pm on a Sunday, when I was visiting friends 500 miles from home.) Anyway: the plugs held, and I had no problems. Also, I worked at a BMW retail / Custom Harley / Japanese parts and salvage shop for 3 years. We did not 'offically' plug tires, but we did have what is known as a "plug/patch", which we did use on our own bikes, and close customers'. The plug/patch has to go on the inside of the tire and requires sanding the carcas and an adhesive. Most shops haven't heard of these, or don't stock/install them, and are much more willing to sell you a brand new $120+ tire for your bike. However, it wouldn't hurt to ask. Bottom line, plug it, ride it, be happy. On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Steve Rottenberg wrote: > Hi, > Recently I got a Bandit 1200. I've got 700 miles on the bike, Today > I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a bright > thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. > Should I take it out and watch my rear tire deflate ? > Do I patch it and hope to be safe ? > Does the Bandit have a tube tire? > I read somewhere (cycle world, motorcyclist or MCN) that you NEVER patch or > plug a bike tire. You are supposed to trow it away and buy a new one. With > 700 miles on the tire it doesn;t seem right. > > Any opinions, experience on the subject ? > > > Steve in Tampa > 98 B12 > 95 KLR 650 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mats Cederblad" Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #268 Date: 28 Sep 1998 10:41:56 +0000 >Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400 >From: "Steve Young" >Subject: (klr650) Anyone ever have this problem? >I pulled off the highway after about 20 miles of speeds between 75 - >100MPH. Went one more block and then pulled into a parking lot in >too high of gear and stalled. Pulled in the clutch, hit the >starter but it would not start. Wouldn't even fire after multiple >attempts. I checked for the obvious (is it turned on and do I have >gas) and switched over to reserve tank, same results. >Left it alone about 10 minutes, tried again. Won't start. I >remembered in the manual it says something about keeping the >throttle wide open and hitting the starter. Several attempts at >this and it started to fire. I could get it started now, but it >would not run at less than 3000 rpms without stalling or running >really rough. If you let off the throttle it stalled instantly. >Decided to try and make it home so I could tear it apart and look at >the plug and carb in my own garage... Turned out to not be >necessary. By the time I got home, it had apparently 'healed' itself >and was running perfectly normal. Have since driven 100 miles with >no problem at slow speeds on trails and high speeds on the >expressway. What's up with that? Did the plug just get fouled? >There is only 1500 miles on it. Does not seem like bad gas, >either. First service was done at dealer approx 900 miles on the >ODO. >Steve - A12 wicked wobble (California model) >1,500 miles and counting Hi, I had a the problem as you desribe them, but it only happend, when it was near freezing point ( < +6 degrees celsius) and moisture in the air, most offen when it snowed. I never managed to locate this problem exactly , but I am quite sure that it was something with the CDI unit my theory was that the CDI unit had some leak into it near connections and when it was cold the plastic shrinked so that it start to leak and the moisture in the air came into it and disturbed the electronics. Maybe in your case if it was not that cold, they could maybe other problem with the CDI unit, or off-course the Ignition coil and cableing to it . In my case it was Not the ignition coil and cableing,I replaced them. CDI units do break on KLR, heard it at least once before. KLR 90 Tengai + KLR 91 Tengai M.V.H Best Regards Mats Cederblad ABB Metering SVM AB m.cederblad@svmab.se Tel +46 (0) 8 632 96 42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: (klr650) Tire update Date: 28 Sep 1998 06:04:23 -0700 Just thought I would provide y'all with an update on my experiences with tires. I am replacing the front AM24 Gripster (tube model) with another identical one. The previous tire had been a sterling performer in all respects and lasted 19,400 miles, but is now approaching the end of its service life due to honest tread wear. It replaced the OEM Dunlop at 9,500 miles, which had a fair bit of tread left but its carcas was starting to show evidence of superficial cracking. It was a mediocre tire at best. The new Avon has already arrived and will be installed by yours truly on Tuesday. The Avon AM 21 Roadrunner (nominaly intended for cruisers and heavy touring bikes) is now approaching the 5,000 mile mark and has lost approximatly 2-3mm of it's measured 9mm depth when new, which is in line with the 15k mile service life that others have told me to antisipate. I have no complaints whatsoever with this tires performance. It even works halfway decent for nontechnical offroad work. This tire superseeds several AM24 Gripsters, which were excelent performers in all respects but I wanted a little better than 7,500 miles of service life. I have also run a Brigestone S11 Spitfire, with good results but sub-6k mile life. The OEM Dunlop was pure crap, worn out at 3,500 miles and nearly as useless onroad as off. -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,800 miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #267 Date: 28 Sep 1998 06:23:19 +0100 > >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:10:41 -0400 >From: Stuart Heaslet >Subject: Re: (klr650) RE; Jackets > >Any opinions on the differences between the Kilamanjaro and Motoport's >Ultra II? > >Stuart I don't know about the Kilamanjaro, but I am totally sold on the Ultra II after using it for 3 years. I think is is much better a deal than the venerable Aerostich. Go to my web page and find my review of the Motoport Difi Utra II. I have no financial connection wih Motoport. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Date: 28 Sep 1998 07:16:44 -0400 Rob, You mentioned, "I put eight (8) 1/2" holes in the muffler baffle, since the stock inside pipes were so restrictive." Is that the header pipe? You said you put on a COBRA muffler. I thought the header pipe is just a straight tube. Todd A11 Thinking I was straight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16 T again... Date: 27 Sep 1998 09:25:49 -0600 >it never gets above halfway on the gauge. Someone put a 16-tooth front >sprocket on his bike. Does anyone know, do you have to modify the front >sprocket guard casting to fit the larger sprocket No mods necessary...I did have to pull the rear axle to get the wheel forward enough to get the chain around the new sprocket. It is a great combo with the jet kit...I don't get the performance that you do but I definitely have a strong running bike and with the 16 T and the kit you probably have better than stock acceleration with tons of top end at highway speeds and less revs of course. Kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Desmond, Richard - TAFB/LASPO2" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Date: 28 Sep 1998 09:46:08 -0500 Steve, >I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a >bright thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. >Should I take it out and watch my rear tire deflate ? >Do I patch it and hope to be safe ? >Does the Bandit have a tube tire? The Bandit has tubeless tires. As to the patch/replace question, it kinda depends on your financial situation and how fast and far away from home you ride. Me, I'd chuck it and by a new one, tires are one thing I take no chances with. Some people have had success patching tires though, so don't take my attitude as gospel. Regardless, you need to pull the wheel, since it should be patched from the inside if you go that route. Just make sure you put it on the stand _before_ pulling the nail. Rich '97 900CR '87 Concours (for sale) '86 RZ500 (for sale) '85 RZ350 x 2 '86 XT350 (for sale) '80 GS1000S '76 CB400F racing EX's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:07:41 -0400 Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... But... What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? Adding more useless banter.. Robert 93 KLR 650 96 KTM RXC 620 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Mirrors Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:12:50 FWIW: The same factory mirror fits both sides of the KLR650. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Rear Tire Balance Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:19:16 The service manual lists a detailed procedure for balancing the front tire/wheel. It doesn't say anything about balancing the rear. Is it safe to assume that it really isn't necessary to balance the rear tire when replacing tires (other than lining up the colored dot on the sidewall with the valve stem)? I picked up my TW22 rear tire ($70.00 + 6%) Saturday and will probably try to change it myself while the bike is stored for the winter. Not having to get it balanced would be a boon. Where can I buy rim protectors? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: Extended warranty Date: 28 Sep 1998 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) My experience was, I did not buy the extra coverage and did not really need it. The only thing that I would gotten covered under warranty was the shift lever (the weld cracked). Since I have a welder I fixed it myself. A lot of people replace theirs with aftermarket shifters anyway. There are a few listers that have had serious problems. Maybe we could get a response to gage the problem model years and mileage use per year. My 1993 model has been very good since I got it in Sept. '95 (left over) and I have just over 9,000 miles in three years. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (it's this weekend!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: [Fwd: (klr650) what?????] Date: 28 Sep 1998 09:54:04 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <360FB212.4DF89AA3@uniserve.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002501bdeaf1$c10cc760$eff1ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit K awasaki L andloper R over Good attempt?? BB. --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 10:00:53 -0700 >Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... >>>>>>> well, I'm sure you aren't the only one :) >But... >What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KilLeR motorcycle King o' La Road Kawasaki Lister Respondent Kawasaki List Regular Knowledge, Love, Respect but probably not Kindly Love Republicans >Adding more useless banter.. >>>>>>>now, who would do that > >Robert 93 KLR 650 >96 KTM RXC 620 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: (klr650) KLR 650 What ?????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) How about: Kool, Long Running? Jim - Palmdale (where fall is upon us) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) KLX-300 Date: 28 Sep 1998 12:30:41 PDT After beating my KLR silly on an aggressive offroad outing, I came to two conclusions: 1. My KLR isn't the right kind of bike to have on that sort of ride (yeah, no s--t, Sherlock...). And... 2. I really want to get more involved in that kind of riding. After mulling it over for some time, I'm leaning towards the purchase of a new Kawasaki KLX-300 once I get back to the states. Having one of those babies in my garage along with my KLR would put me in something approaching a nirvanic state. I know I know, Yamaha's 4-stroke WR is not to be believed... But I'm not looking to win any races-- I just want to get a little muddy every once in awhile (I'm also planning to put a Baja street-legal kit on it). Anybody have any experiences with this bike? How about an associated web forum? Thanks in advance... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" P.S. I'll be relocating to San Antonio. Any good cross-country/enduro type riding areas in them there parts? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) KLX-300 Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:10:43 -0400 Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) KLX-300 Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:36:32 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907014992_boundary Content-ID: <0_907014992@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/28/98 3:13:59 PM EST, James.Naus@atg-tech.com writes: << Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C >> I keep hearing about Yamaha's dual-sport version of their 400 that I keep thinking..... Anyway, just have to throw that out.. MN Ron --part0_907014992_boundary Content-ID: <0_907014992@inet_out.mail.atg-tech.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air16.mail.aol.com (v50.15) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:13:59 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA00151; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNjdV-0004Y8-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:11:09 -0600 Received: from [199.44.223.20] (helo=atgmail.concord-atg.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNjdS-0004Xg-00 for KLR650@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:11:06 -0600 Received: by atgmail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: KLR650@lists.xmission.com X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: James Naus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C --part0_907014992_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) RE: Colo Springs get together Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:45:03 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:28 PM I will be there by 3:00pm on Friday. I plan on camping (I'm in college, so I'm cheap) so maybe the locals will know about some good spots. I will be coming up from Taos, NM and will stay through Sunday. Thanks Josh '92 KLR650 We are expecting Gino and several other local riders so far. 5 or 6 with a possible 8 - 9 total motorcycles some solo some two up. That's my best guess for the turn out so far. I plan on riding Friday through Sunday on half-day rides with my wife two up and other rides solo. I hope I'm surprised with more riders that have not contacted me. We will probably try and ride Saturday by 10am. I don't know what to expect for getting a group together. This is a loosely organized gathering, which is my plan. Just show up at my place and on the porch I will have some info for local rides and a message board in case no one is there. Go to the web site and look around for more info. Contact me if you need anything. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (it's this weekend!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) KLX chain tensioner failures? Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:59:49 PDT Ran into Honda/Kawasaki shop owner in Redding, CA, who is a KLX 650 enthusiast. Bad news is he said the valve chain tensioner goes out on the bike every 7000 miles or so, sooner if you don't use synthetic oil. Anybody out there had this experience with theirs? He says the test is to remove it, push the tensioner forward to simulate a very loose chain being tensioned, then rock the tensioner lever back and forth. If it "snaps back" it's shot, he says. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DOUGUR@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 20:08:21 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907027701_boundary Content-ID: <0_907027701@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I heard someone say Kawasaki Long Range (6+ gallon tank ?). Doug. --part0_907027701_boundary Content-ID: <0_907027701@inet_out.mail.gte.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v50.15) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA03766; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNerJ-0004WT-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:05:05 -0600 Received: from [207.115.153.31] (helo=smtp2.mailsrvcs.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNerG-0004WA-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:05:02 -0600 Received: from default (1Cust239.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net [208.255.241.239]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id KAA01399 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:04:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002501bdeaf1$c10cc760$eff1ffd0@default> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Robert frey" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... But... What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? Adding more useless banter.. Robert 93 KLR 650 96 KTM RXC 620 --part0_907027701_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Starts but won't rev Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:46:31 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Rob KLR650A12, 6k miles > >Doug, > >Here in California we have MBTA (a volatile ether compound designed to lower >combustion temperatures and thus reduce nitrous oxide emissions) in our gas, >around 10 or 15%. This stuff evaporates after a while, sitting in the tank, >making the motor hellish hard to start, and poor-running. Lots of folks >drain their tanks and put in fresh gas, when they try to put their stored >bike back on the road again. If you try this, be sure to drain the >carburetor float bowl, and the first couple of ounces out of the petcock and >fuel hose, too. When I bought my new KLR250, the dealer had gotten the bike >from another dealer, who had gassed it up. When they tried to deliver it to >me, they couldn't get it started, until they did the procedure I mentioned. >I hope this helps. > >Rob > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Re: Extended warranty Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:47:32 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Rob KLR650A12, '98, 6k miles >9-28-98 > >Rex, I thought this bike was bulletproof, and that's one reason I bought it. >I've had no problems yet, and I have pushed it pretty hard at times. Just >loose screws on the plastic sidecover and header pipe heat shield (I lost a >screw in each place). > >I'd be interested in a list of Listers' mechanical problems and mileages >too. > >Take care, > >Rob > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:48:28 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Rob KLR650A12--'98, 6k miles; KLR250--97, 6k miles; Voyager >X!!L--'98, 2k miles >9-28-98 > >Robert, > >It's a good bet the K stands for the manufacturer's own name. As for the >LR, these letters could be something an ad agency thought up for no >particular reason, or maybe they stand for the Japanese words for this >series of bikes (which includes at least the KLR250 and the KLR650), or >their English equivalents ("Lightning Regalbike," or somesuch awkward >Japanese name that probably sounds really good in Japanese). > >But in the fun spirit other Listers demonstrate, I offer: > >-----My Krazy Loud Ride (with a loud Cobra muffler; I also call the bike >"Big Boomer") >-----Kick Larry's Rear (I don't know who Larry is, but I bet my KLR is >faster than his XR650L, especially for top end, and that goes double >for Lance's DR650, even if they can beat me in some hilly trail rides) >-----Konspicuously Long Roostertails (easy in second gear, coming out of >sand-on-hardpack corners, with the streetish dual-purpose Dunlops) >-----Kwaka Long Ranger or Kawasaki Long Rider (we get over 200 miles per >6-gallon tank, don't we?) >-----Killer of Lizards and Rats (this bike can be aimed; it has great >straight-tracking qualities in the desert at speed, having been designed as >a Paris-Dakar thing >originally, occasional speed-wobble problems at dangerous speeds aside) >-----Kondemn Loud Riders (my two KLRs came, new, with very quiet mufflers) > >I better quit while I'm ahead. > >Rob > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: (klr650) Fw: 16 sprocket Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:48:50 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Rob KLR650A12 >9-28-98 > >Eric, I reread Kurt's message. It looks as if he's saying you have to move >the wheel farther forward than the swingarm cutouts allow, to put the >(accursed) endless chain around the bigger front sprocket. To do that, you >can pull out the axle, and gain a little more movement. What do you think? > >Thanks, Rob > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) 16 T again... Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:49:11 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Rob KLR650A12--'98, 6k miles; KLR250--'97, 3k miles; Voyager X!!L, 2k >miles. >9-28-98 > >Kurt, thanks for your comments on sprocket installation. Now I feel free to >reconsider a 16-tooth sprocket (dealer said it wouldn't fit). > >My only hesitation is that the KLR650 is already high-geared for the sandy, >hilly, twisty slowish riverbottom and foothill trails I sometimes ride. I'm >not sure I won't wear out the clutch. I'm selling my KLR250, which has been >a nearly perfect off-roader for me (so I can afford my new Voyager!), so my >"Big Boomer" is it for a while in the dirt. It's not real good there (sorta >heavy, with poor "streetish" tires, and fairly high gearing in first for the >tight, slow sections), and I don't want to make it much worse. > >I call my bike "Big Boomer" since I installed the modified Cobra muffler. >It's on the loud side. I put a downward-directed tip on the muffler, to >push the noise away. Long rides on the freeway get unpleasant from noise >without the tip extension. > >Anyway, thanks again. Rob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Air Filter Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:49:59 -0700 -----Original Message----- >9-28-98 KLR650A12 6k miles > >Bob, my choice was the K&N. Sure, it's a pain to clean, but it gives >greater air flow even when dirty than a foam filter or paper filter when >clean (you may have to go up a couple of sizes on your main jet). Also, its >lofted fiber con-struction means that it won't need cleaning for a long >time. K&N claims that as their filter gets dirty, it just gets better (with >the dirt on the outside of the filter absorbing filter oil, it acts as "more >filter," up to a point). The owner of the shop where I bought my KLR says >he uses dishwash detergent to clean his K&N filters on his bikes, and then >oils them with 10-30 motor oil. That's not too expensive. I haven't >decided whether to buy the whole K&N product kit for cleaning, since it's >expensive. The filter itself cost $42.10! But I'll never have to replace >it---just clean it every 10k miles or so! Paper filters let more, and >bigger, dirt particles through than foam. K&N doesn't state what particle >size it filters, but they imply that it does better even than foam. It's a >complicated choice. For top performance, especially at high revs, and >probably for cost in the long run, I chose K&N. K&N has a website, but I >don't know the address. Just run a search. I hope this helps! > >Rob KLR650A12 (98) 6k miles > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:50:19 -0700 -----Original Message----- >1998 KLR650, 6k miles >I put a Cobra muffler on and replaced my stock air filter with a K&N filter, >and replaced my #148 stock main jet with a #156. Now my bike's got lots >more mid-range power, a nicer sound, and it runs a little cooler (being on >the rich side). I put eight (8) 1/2" holes in the muffler baffle, since the >stock inside pipes were so restrictive. Now I can lift the front wheel in >first gear by just opening the throttle, no shifting weight or clutch >fanning. I can do over 100 mph on level ground. I get about 50mpg average, >on the road and around town. I took off the clear top part of the fairing, >because it helped the helmet noise. My valves are still within factory >limits. I use AMSOIL, to minimize wear. My bike gets warm (never hot) when >I'm running in the dirt at low speeds; or in traffic. But out on the road, >it never gets above halfway on the gauge. Someone put a 16-tooth front >sprocket on his bike. Does anyone know, do you have to modify the front >sprocket guard casting to fit the larger sprocket? My KLR650 is more >powerful than the XL650 I had, probably because the liquid cooling allows >for higher compression. And it's likely to be more durable. It's the >second-best bike I've owned. My Voyager XII (also a Kawasaki) is the best. >Rob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Clement" Subject: Fw: (klr650) what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 18:05:01 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BDEB0A.8312F560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- >I heard someone say Kawasaki Long Range (6+ gallon tank ?). > >Doug. > ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BDEB0A.8312F560 Content-ID: <0_907027701@inet_out.mail.gte.net.2> Content-Description: (klr650) what????? Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v50.15) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA03766; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNerJ-0004WT-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:05:05 -0600 Received: from [207.115.153.31] (helo=smtp2.mailsrvcs.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNerG-0004WA-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:05:02 -0600 Received: from default (1Cust239.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net [208.255.241.239]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id KAA01399 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:04:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002501bdeaf1$c10cc760$eff1ffd0@default> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Robert frey" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... But... What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? Adding more useless banter.. Robert 93 KLR 650 96 KTM RXC 620 ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BDEB0A.8312F560-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scooter scum Subject: (klr650) RE: KLX-300 Date: 28 Sep 1998 20:08:35 -0600 Juan Villarreal wisely askes: >After mulling it over for some time, I'm leaning towards the purchase of >a new Kawasaki KLX-300 once I get back to the states. Having one of >those babies in my garage along with my KLR would put me in something >approaching a nirvanic state. I know I know, Yamaha's 4-stroke WR is >not to be believed... But I'm not looking to win any races-- I just >want to get a little muddy every once in awhile (I'm also planning to >put a Baja street-legal kit on it). Anybody have any experiences with >this bike? How about an associated web forum? Thanks in advance... I have a highly modified KLX250 that has been bored and stroked to 321cc. The Stock KLX250 and 300 are a bit wimpy. The suspension and Frame are quite good. The bikes are very light. You might also consider a XR400. Also a very good bike. There are some simple, but slightly expensive mods you can make to the KLX to improve performance. A Mikuni Pumper carb goes a long way to improve lowend response. Motorcycle online did a short Article. It can be found at: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/klx-mods.html I'm doing a write up of my experiences with my KLX for Gino's Dual Sport news. Steven "scooter scum" johnson '95 KLX650C - Cheaper than therapy '95 KLX250/321 - Just call me yellow britches '95 K1100RS - Mileage monster '92 TDM850 - Dual sport of course ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16 T again... Date: 28 Sep 1998 07:51:15 -0600 >>My only hesitation is that the KLR650 is already high-geared for the sandy, >>hilly, twisty slowish riverbottom and foothill trails I sometimes ride. >I'm >>not sure I won't wear out the clutch. I'm selling my KLR250, which has >been >>a nearly perfect off-roader for me (so I can afford my new Voyager!), so my >>"Big Boomer" is it for a while in the dirt. It's not real good there >(sorta >>heavy, with poor "streetish" tires, and fairly high gearing in first for >the >>tight, slow sections), and I don't want to make it much worse. The 16 T doesn't effect the slow speeds that much because first gear is like a granny gear anyway. As you say the 15 is already tall for serious dirt work. I am ditching the 15 because it is a compromise and use the 14 and 16. For serious dirt work swap to the 14T mount some Pirelli M-21's and have at it. This is my Moab setup. Because I am truly a 90/10 rider the 16T works perfectly... Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: 16 sprocket Date: 28 Sep 1998 07:52:31 -0600 >>Eric, I reread Kurt's message. It looks as if he's saying you have to move >>the wheel farther forward than the swingarm cutouts allow, to put the >>(accursed) endless chain around the bigger front sprocket. To do that, you >>can pull out the axle, and gain a little more movement. What do you think? >> Exactly... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) KLR Sighting Date: 28 Sep 1998 22:14:13 -0400 OK, who had the KLR650 on the trailer headed northbound on I75(Michigan) Friday evening? It only had ORV Plates on it, which I thought was weird since since it is kind of an untamed beast to ride on the trails full time. Was it you? It was nice to see another one since they seem to be fairly rare in Michigan... Steve - A12 "Wicked wobble" , keep your head down 1,625 Miles and climbing, might have to get gas this week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) Wobble and mileage Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:18:47 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Tom Simpson wrote: > If I was seeking to work out a wobble in a KLR, the first thing I would try is moving > more crap foreward, like luggage, toolbox, ect. > -Tom I noticed that by lifting the forks slighlty in the triple clamps, a quarter of an inch to be exact, a good amount of weight was moved forward. I can tell because the forks compress more than they used to when I'm on the bike. It tends to be more composed going over bumps now that the weight is more equally distributed between front and back. I have also noticed an improvement in stability at high cruise speeds. Technically speaking the change in geometry due to moving the forks should make the bike more unstable, but I think that the effects of the weight transfer to the front tire outweigh the geometry effects. The change in geometry, however, does manage to make the bike turn it faster and hold a line better (so I've noticed). If you do decide to lower the bike like this, remember that it doesn't much to shift enough weight up front. Like I said, a quarter of an inch was enough for me. Carlos (my quarters worth) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) BMW style rims to run tubeless tires? Date: 28 Sep 1998 22:42:33 EDT In a message dated 98-09-28 00:27:55 EDT, ericjazz@mindspring.com writes: << I don't like tubes. They don't like me. Anyone try lacing up rims similar to the BMW style, where the spokes attach to the rim without going into the rim? >> It would probably cost more than a new KLR. Akront is the only company I know of that makes rims like that. There is a place that seals a rim with a two- stage process and guarantees the work. I can look that up if you want. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Back from Phoenix Date: 28 Sep 1998 22:49:22 EDT In a message dated 98-09-28 00:41:41 EDT, superiorbydesign@qualityservice.com writes: << So Gino, what kind of problems did you have here? >> That about sums it up. Actually, by weeks end I was having fun drag racing all of the pretty boys in their Lexus and BMW cagers on my Virago 1100. Viragos may look ugly, but they can leave a $40,000 car for dead in the street grand prix. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Date: 28 Sep 1998 23:13:00 EDT Well, within 2 weeks I had a nail in my Ducati and then on the day before leaving for Montana a nail in my BMW R11RS! Brand new Metezler MEZ2 rear. So I took it off and had a gas station plug it and ALSO patch it from inside. Left the next morning from Morgantown, WV to north of Chicago. Next morning down to 22 lb. I couldn't find a shop to plug my tire. It was July 4th. I finally squirted in some "Monkey Fix" from Walmart 3000 miles later including 100 mph speeds, 6000 miles later I still have it on. I'm going to change it next week. My 916 rear tire had about 900 miles when it picked up a nail. I had a tire shop plug it for $7. It now has 3000 miles and never a leak. I do think it should be replaced before it gets too thin, however. In both cases I couldn't justify replacing a new tire. Had it been over half worn out I would have. It's your call, a blow out is a Bitch. I had one on my old Honda XL250 which used tube tires 20 years ago. I feel a properly plugged tubeless tire is not as good as a new one, but is as safe as any tube type. Rick Sanders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ztib@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLX chain tensioner failures? Date: 28 Sep 1998 23:51:18 EDT In a message dated 98-09-28 20:16:55 EDT, Marick.Payton@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU writes: << is he said the valve chain tensioner goes out on the bike every 7000 miles or so, sooner if you don't use synthetic oil. >> I have been riding BMW for over 20 years. This winter, at 102,000 miles, I rebuilt the motor ONLY because it needed a clutch and the rear main was leaking. I bought a 1990 Tengai with 9,000 miles on it 2 weeks ago. It was not abused. Am I to believe that the Japeneese engineering limits such a major component to 7,000 miles? Surely this is hogwash. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) KLX chain tensioner failures? Date: 29 Sep 1998 00:19:10 -0700 At 11:51 PM 9/28/98 EDT, Ztib@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 98-09-28 20:16:55 EDT, Marick.Payton@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU >writes: > ><< is he said the valve chain tensioner goes out > on the bike every 7000 miles or so, sooner if you don't use > synthetic oil. >> > >I have been riding BMW for over 20 years. This winter, at 102,000 miles, I >rebuilt the motor ONLY because it needed a clutch and the rear main was >leaking. I bought a 1990 Tengai with 9,000 miles on it 2 weeks ago. It was >not abused. Am I to believe that the Japeneese engineering limits such a >major component to 7,000 miles? Surely this is hogwash. > Evne the Japanese can have a bad day every now and again. The KLX serise does not share the KLRs reputation for being bulletproof, from what I have heard. The whole valve train is relativly fragile. -Tom '96 KLR 650 Glad he didnt buy that KLX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: what????? Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) I agree with Rob Frey. There's some commonality in the model designations. I first looked at the Kawi line up to try and decipher the code, but it's not totally consistent. Here's a guess; The K seems obvious. The X seems to indicate more of a Motocross bias. The R.... Well, I don't know. Read on and see what you think. Kawasaki Liquid cooled four stroke Road (more road worthy than MX model?) Kawasaki Liquid cooled four stroke X (Motocross = MX) KX (pure MX model) KDX, KDE, ??? My wife says it means, Karla Loves Rex. (because she lets me ride so often) Whatever. ;^) == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (it's this weekend!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AB763@aol.com Subject: (klr650) KLRisms Date: 29 Sep 1998 10:13:31 EDT K L R Kay El Are Kilo Lima Romeo hmmm... King of Lousy Roads (as in potholed, rutted 2-laners, which it devours with ease) - or - Kilo Laugh per Ride (hey, it's a fun bike, and metric too) Watcha think? +AB+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Aerostich Darien Date: 29 Sep 1998 09:31:41 -0600 Regarding the hang drying of goretex - my experience has been that by using a hot air dryer the water repelancy of the outer fabric is restored. Is there a reason why you'd want to air dry the Aerostich products? Cheers, Vik -----Original Message----- >When I got my jacket it was stiff also, but it was not really a problem. >I wore it for about 2 months then I washed it with Nix Wax soap for >Gore-Tex and the jacket came out soft and looking brand new. When I got >the pants I washed them the first day as they were extremely stiff. I >have washed the jacket 3 times and it is no worst for wear, except the >reflective strips don't seem as bright as new. Just remember to hang >dry it. > >James >Tallahassee, FL >'95 KLX650C > > >> I got a new Darien jacket and it's kinda stiff. Anybody got any hints >> on >> the best way to soften it up. I didn't get the liner. Thanks. >> Bob Kaub >> State University of New York >> PO Box 6000 >> Binghamton, NY 13902 >> 607-777-2715 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randolph Schack Subject: (klr650) Bash plate compatibility Date: 29 Sep 1998 11:44:22 -0400 Hi guys, I was wondering if Tim Bernard's highway pegs are compatible with the Moose bash plate? (Or rather, if the bash plate's compatible with the pegs, since I already have'em.) The pegs and the stock bash plate are only about 3mm apart on my A13, so if the Moose extends up any further, there might be trouble. I know I'd have to trim the plate anyway if my centerstand ever arrives (hah hah! me funny) so maybe I'd be better off with the stocker anyway. By the way, I'm a-gonna paint the bike a dark metallic blue this winter - it came down to that or black, and black would show every ding and scratch, and a bike like the KLR gets dinged and scratched. Well, okay, I also considered glow-in-the-dark paint, but some people out on the road are already confused about motorcycles - no need to confuse'em even more. (I've already painted an extra left air scoop and fender I managed to get my hands on, there's a picture up at http://anguish.org/~greyson/klrpaint.jpg or so.) Thanks, Randolph 1991 Jeep Comanche ("The Veteran") 1999 Kawasaki KLR650 ("The Rookie") http://anguish.org/~greyson/index.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bash plate compatibility Date: 29 Sep 1998 09:54:05 -0600 > I was wondering if Tim Bernard's highway pegs are compatible with the >Moose bash plate? No problem, I run them both... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Aerostich Darien Date: 29 Sep 1998 10:12:35 -0600 >Regarding the hang drying of goretex - my experience has been that by using >a hot air dryer the water repelancy of the outer fabric is restored. Is >there a reason why you'd want to air dry the Aerostich products? > Vik, Aerostitch says it is ok to hang dry or machine dry at medium temp. They ccaution no to use anti-static products and not to dry with towels that could cause the Velcro to pick up lint. Kurt A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI)" Subject: (klr650) klr paint Date: 29 Sep 1998 14:39:39 CST Hey Randolph, Your paint job looks good! How did you do that? Do you have a paint booth and sprayer? How did you prep the plastic? I want to do my scratched up and ugly 93! John Houchins (who has long Nebraska winter days coming up) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) Wires Date: 29 Sep 1998 17:55:15 -0400 Underneath my fairing near the headlamp there are two brown wires that are not connected to anything, they are just tie-wrapped in place and have the usual connectors on the ends. What are these extra wires for? I have a '98 KLR650. Steve A12 - "Wicked Wobble" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Wires Date: 29 Sep 1998 16:14:14 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Underneath my fairing near the headlamp there are two brown wires that are >not connected to anything, they are just tie-wrapped in place and have the >usual connectors on the ends. What are these extra wires for? I have a >'98 KLR650. > >Steve A12 - "Wicked Wobble" > > European "city" lights... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (klr650) Wires Date: 29 Sep 1998 17:51:58 -0700 That is so ironic, I have just finished putting together my fairing after replacing the bulb and I never noticed those 2 wires you mentioned. Sat down started to write out that same question and viola ! Can't get better service at McDonalds. Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Wires Date: 29 Sep 1998 18:17:18 -0700 -----Original Message----- > That is so ironic, I have just finished putting together my fairing after >replacing the bulb and I never noticed those 2 wires you mentioned. Sat down >started to write out that same question and viola ! Can't get better service >at McDonalds. > >Brian. > >>>>>>>> ...and you can't get it 'Your Way' either. eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Fwd: Re: (klr650) Rear Brake Line Protector Date: 30 Sep 1998 05:20:48 PDT >From: "Eric Rhoads" >To: "Juan Villarreal" >Subject: Re: (klr650) Rear Brake Line Protector >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:45:40 -0700 > > >->Guard, Fr Step S #55020-1628 >> >>( Damn this is fun)...If my Suzuki DR-650 was not such a good fit for me >>I would just have to buy a KLR.. >> >>Your friend Ron >> > >Juan, > > I checked with Ron about this and he says the part number is >different than what appeared in the earlier post. > > It's from a '97 ZX-9 #55020-1502 > >eric > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Phone numbers Date: 30 Sep 1998 05:33:50 PDT Can anyone give me the phone numbers for the following businesses? - Sanborn's Insurance - Whoever it is that provides air-evac coverage when traveling in Central America. - Whoever it is I need to talk to for an international driver's license. - Anyone else I should talk to regarding a Panama to Texas run. Thanks in advance. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Thanks for the tip on Bill Meyer Saddles Date: 30 Sep 1998 05:51:12 PDT Don't recall now who posted the tip on Bill Meyer Saddles but a big "thanks" to whom ever it was. I rode up Friday and had him make a seat for my KLX. Beautiful piece of work and very comfortable. He's a neat guy, to boot. I really enjoyed hearing about his various motorcycle adventures and watching his expert carving up of foam to sculpt my new throne. Marick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 07:10:37 -0700 Any suggestions?? The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How about 'elmer's'?? Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) Wicked wobble Date: 30 Sep 1998 10:43:41 -0400 I finally had enough of the of the wobble since at 80 or 90MPH I'm not in to a bike having a mind of its own whenever it feels like it. I got out the socket set to do something about it. I took advice and raised the fork tubes in the clamps about 3/4" which lowers the front end somewhat. Several things resulted: The ride feels very different for such a small adjustment (I know, I should have only gone 1/4 to 1/2", but I didn't want to have to do it twice) The wobble is mostly gone. I feel like I'm riding downhill. I had to readadjust the headlight (thanks Kawasaki for that user friendly vertical useless adjustment on the lamp, I hope someone somewhere saved money on that one). The bike seems to turn easier. The bike POUNDS down the expressway now due to the wheelbase length change - amazing what a small adjustment can do. I wonder how the dealer set up bikes with 4 inches of shock tube above the clamps wouldn't just rattle your brains out. Going to have to back off the rear shock setting now (Thanks again Kawasaki for another useless adjuster that lets you set all or nothing, at least on my bike) The front fender does not wiggle at all any more even at high speeds, which leads me to concur with other listers that the high front fender is THE WICKED WOBBLER PROBLEM, because it used to wiggle like crazy before I lowered the front. Today I will try to raise the bike back up about 3/8" and see If I can live with that. Or, its back to top of the tubes and time for some custom front fender mods to relieve that air pressure causing the wobble. Maybe some metallic deep blue paint, too, after seeing that photo teaser yesterday :) Steve - A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 08:46:08 -0600 > Any suggestions?? > > The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to >adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How >about 'elmer's'?? > >Brian Any kind of spray paint works great. Use whatever is on your shelf Kurt A12 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) H4 Halogen bulb replacements Date: 30 Sep 1998 11:03:48 -0400 Can the stock KLR electrical system support a 55/100 or 80/100 watt bulb without leaving me in the dark? I think I saw past rumors that the wiring was somewhat too small a gage and people were blowing fuses... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Triphenia@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 11:03:03 EDT In a message dated 9/30/1998 7:19:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brbo@uniserve.com writes: << The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How about 'elmer's'?? Brian >> Easy! First, get rid of all traces of soap! It KEEPS the bars slippery. Then, get a can of hair spray. I've been using the same can of Aqua-Net for 20 years now. Make sure everything is clean, spray the inside of the grip, a quick shot on the bars right after that, and then, VERY QUICKLY slide the grip into position. The hair spray dries fast. Heat from the sun won't loosen the grip. The best hair spray for this application is something like the stuff the girls used in the '60's that made their hair look like fluffy helmets. Jeff A12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Magier Subject: Re: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 08:39:21 -0700 Your local bike shop should have a tube of "grip glue" for about 50 cent's. Takes overnight to really dry, but is bombproof. Used it on my ProGels Mike Magier 98A12 ---------- > The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to >adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How >about 'elmer's'?? > >Brian > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) H4 Halogen bulb replacements Date: 30 Sep 1998 13:17:55 -0400 Steve Young wrote: > Can the stock KLR electrical system support a 55/100 or 80/100 watt bulb > without leaving me in the dark? I think I saw past rumors that the wiring > was somewhat too small a gage and people were blowing fuses... Steve, I am on my second 55/100 bulb since the OEM, and the first 55/100 burned out. No problems with fuses blowing, BUT I don't have any other electrical options on my bike.(running lights, electric vest, etc.) Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 18k miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: (klr650) KLR electrical prob Date: 29 Sep 1998 21:13:49 -0600 Hey, I was riding with my dad the other day down the street and all of the sudden his headlight stopped working. Along with that, the rear light stopped working also. The break lights and blinkers do still work. I'm clueless when it comes to the electrical system on any bike so maybe you guys have so ideas what is wrong. A friend of mine said that it might be a dead cell in the battery. What do you guys think? Josh '92KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 11:27:22 -0600 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Magier Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:39 AM My instructions said to use alcohol. Works great, says to wait 24hrs, you better wait 36 just in case. I guess the alcohol melts the rubber a tiny bit so it adheres to the handlebar. It works Josh '92 KLR650 Your local bike shop should have a tube of "grip glue" for about 50 cent's. Takes overnight to really dry, but is bombproof. Used it on my ProGels Mike Magier 98A12 ---------- > The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to >adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How >about 'elmer's'?? > >Brian > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR electrical prob Date: 30 Sep 1998 10:53:27 -0700 Assuming he was riding a KLR? Check the fuses in the little rubber box right on top of the battery. Remove the side covers and the seat. One's the main fuse, the other covers the headlight. Replace and enjoy! b Josh Sammons wrote: > Hey, > I was riding with my dad the other day down the street and all of the sudden > his headlight stopped working. Along with that, the rear light stopped > working also. The break lights and blinkers do still work. I'm clueless > when it comes to the electrical system on any bike so maybe you guys have so > ideas what is wrong. A friend of mine said that it might be a dead cell in > the battery. What do you guys think? > Josh > '92KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey P Moorbeck Subject: Re: (klr650) H4 Halogen bulb replacements Date: 30 Sep 1998 11:25:05 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Steve Young wrote: > Can the stock KLR electrical system support a 55/100 or 80/100 watt bulb > without leaving me in the dark? I think I saw past rumors that the wiring > was somewhat too small a gage and people were blowing fuses... > I've been running a 55/100 for about two months now and haven't had a problem. Jeff Moorbeck '89 KLR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Phone numbers Date: 30 Sep 1998 12:25:46 -0600 Juan Villarreal wrote: > Can anyone give me the phone numbers for the following businesses? > > - Sanborn's Insurance In TX: Email: sanborns@hiline.net 2009 S. 10th St. McAllen TX 78503 800-222-0158 (8:00 AM to 5:30 PM central) > > - Whoever it is that provides air-evac coverage when traveling in > Central America. You can't afford it. Neither can I. > > - Whoever it is I need to talk to for an international driver's license. If you are in Panama, their equivalent of the Club Automovil. In the US, any AAA office. best El Vil Bruixot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 14:50:45 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907181445_boundary Content-ID: <0_907181445@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/30/98 9:19:22 AM EST, brbo@uniserve.com writes: << Any suggestions?? The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How about 'elmer's'?? Brian >> I use the old dirt bike trick of hairspray. I spray it in the grips, which allows them to slid onto the bars easily, but when dry it becomes sticky. Always worked for me. MN Ron --part0_907181445_boundary Content-ID: <0_907181445@inet_out.mail.uniserve.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v50.14) with SMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:19:22 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA03110; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zOMxs-0005EU-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:10:48 -0600 Received: from [204.244.156.3] (helo=pop.uniserve.com) by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zOMxp-0005EH-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:10:45 -0600 Received: from chk2d7.dial.uniserve.ca (uniserve.com) [204.244.143.182] by pop.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0zOMxn-0007gE-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:10:44 -0700 Message-ID: <36123BDC.3E5D984C@uniserve.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Brian Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Any suggestions?? The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How about 'elmer's'?? Brian --part0_907181445_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: Re: Fwd: (klr650) Pro Grip Gel Grips Date: 30 Sep 1998 16:11:02 -0400 I use cheap clear spray laquer. Spray in the grip and slide it on. Takes about an hr to really dry, but it ain't movin'. Mark > >In a message dated 9/30/98 9:19:22 AM EST, brbo@uniserve.com writes: > ><< Any suggestions?? > > The instructions say to install the grip with just soap and water to > adhere properly to bar end. Not working after over 2 days dry time. How > about 'elmer's'?? > > Brian > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Young" Subject: (klr650) Fun stuff Date: 30 Sep 1998 18:28:54 -0400 Need to stir up the list once in a while with some competition so, Check out this bike they describe as being "Barely street legal". Pretty good photo, I thought. I only found it one place on the internet and had never heard of this model before. I assume it is not available in the U.S. http://www.suzuki.is/dr350x.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Sheepskin seat cover Date: 30 Sep 1998 16:30:17 PDT I'm wanting to get a sheepskin seat cover. Are there any available sized to fit the KLR? If not, where might be a good place to get one (name, address, and website, please). Thanks in advance. Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Magier Subject: (klr650) Tires, Seat, Fork tubes and more!! Date: 30 Sep 1998 19:48:55 -0700 > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Next_Part_2990029735_230322_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK listers, I've been sitting back reading for about 6 months, now I guess I'll let loose with a volley of questions for the KLR world at large. Fork tubes - Of course I've read numerous accounts of Kawa dealers selling bikes with the tubes anywhere from 1 to 4 inches abouve the triple clamps. Mine are about 4 inches above. I've got 6500 miles on this way, no specific ill effects that I've noticed (however this IS my first bike). I've also heard all the recent gnashing of teeth over front wheel wobble. Well, wobble hasn't been too bad for me, unless I'm 20 yards behind a semi. My front fender has vents on the left rear side (I assume only on the left to help funnel more air to the radiator). I read recently (yesterday) that someone dropped their triple clamp 3/4 inch or so, and LOST THE WOBBLE, along with getting quicker turn-in and "heavier" ride on the highway. OK now for the question - should I raise the clamp (lower the tubes)?? Will I develop the dreaded wobble from hell? Will I get smoother highway riding? Will I stop racking my ba**s on the Corbin seat every time I brake? Will I magically learn to wheelie? Will I still be able to get my da** leg over the seat (I'm WAAY out of shape and not very flexible - I can barely get my foot over the seat now)? If I decide to try it, are there any special technical things I should know, or is it as simple as loosening 8 nuts, raising the clamp and re-tightening? Avon Gripsters - OK, this may be a real dumba** question but here goes. New pair of AM-24's. Ride great. I got the wheels off OK (first time for this task), and had a local shop mount and balance. Now I'm taking a good close look, and it looks like the tread is "backwards" on the front tire. If you look at the centerline of the tread on these, there's a tread block the looks kinda like an arrow. On the rear tire, this points in the direction of wheel travel, but backwards on the front. I know - I checked the arrow on the sidewall that says "Mount this way, stupid" and that looks fine. So, any ideas why Avon has opposite tread direction on front and rear, or did I get the only mixed-up front tire in a run of 10,000? Progressive Fork Springs - Everyone loves 'em right? Well, I ride 90% paved, 9% dirt, 1% rough stuff. I'm not exactly cheap, but I guess I want to know if I'll appreciate a different ride on primarily paved road if I make the big switch. Also, if I do, is this job appropriate for the minimally mechanically inclined (read wrench idiot)? Chain lubing - Good idea, I know. Like I said, this is my first bike, and nobody told me different, so I thought every 3000 miles was about enough to lube the chain. OK, so the first chain's shot, and I replace it with DID O-ring chain. I dunno, was this a good or bad idea? It was a b**ch to get the little clip on the new connecting link, but I finally did it. Now, I'm hearing people say "O-ring chains require very little lubrication" and others say "Keep on waxing." Thoughts, everyone? And what about O-ring vs X-ring (what IS x-ring anyway?). On a side question, I had one he** of a time getting that rear wheel back on after changing the tire. I did tires and chain all at once. The hub/sprocket assmebly didn't want to fit between the swingarms - took FOREVER! Then, I couldn't get the hub hole to line up with the chain adjuster holes to get the da** axle thru!! All in all, a very long day. Maybe someone could tell me what I did wrong, or put a TECHNICAL TIPS item on the KLR650DSN page for removeing/reinstalling rear tire?? Now some quicikies for those of you who haven't given up on me as a hopeless loser yet: Anyone know of a product I can use to make the Corbin seat less slippy? Maybe a spray product - or maybe something you can glue on, like on your shower floor? Does the spring on the front brake line between the 2 rubber clamps actually do anything? I think I trashed mine taking it off the old line when I put on the Fastline, but I put it back on faithfully - looks like a dead Slinky now. Should I replace it, remove it, or just forget about it? Does the Supertrapp exhaust fit under the Driveline side racks? Anyone (besides me) notice a LOT more handgrip vibration after putting on Acerbis RallyPro handguards?  OK - we're in the home stretch. I have what seems like a great idea, I just need a little help making it perfect. I have the Driveline racks, and I would REALLY like to not have to take them off to get the seat off (for fuses, spark plugs, whatever). It seems like some holes of the appropriate size in the appropriate place on the side covers would allow access to the seat bolts without removing racks or side covers. In fact, I've done this, and it's never been so easy to get those seat bolts out. Now, as far as putting them back in . . . I've been unable to get the bolt to stay in a socket long enough to get in the frame - keeps falling out between side cover and frame. Not a BIG deal, always falls through, tempting me to keep trying . .. I dunno - magnetic socket? Gumstick? Tiny pliers? Any ideas out there? OK thanks to one and all for putting up with my newbie foolishness - I'll shut up now. Mike Magier ( I dunno - I seem smart enough in the rest of my life . . .) 1998 A12 --Next_Part_2990029735_230322_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tires, Seat, Fork tubes and more!! OK listers, I've been sitting back reading for about 6 months, now I guess I'll let loose with a volley of questions for the KLR world at large.

  • Fork tubes - Of course I've read numerous accounts of Kawa dealers selling bikes with the tubes anywhere from 1 to 4 inches abouve the triple clamps. Mine are about 4 inches above. I've got 6500 miles on this way, no specific ill effects that I've noticed (however this IS my first bike). I've also heard all the recent gnashing of teeth over front wheel wobble. Well, wobble hasn't been too bad for me, unless I'm 20 yards behind a semi. My front fender has vents on the left rear side (I assume only on the left to help funnel more air to the radiator). I read recently (yesterday) that someone dropped their triple clamp 3/4 inch or so, and LOST THE WOBBLE, along with getting quicker turn-in and "heavier" ride on the highway. OK now for the question - should I raise the clamp (lower the tubes)?? Will I develop the dreaded wobble from hell? Will I get smoother highway riding? Will I stop racking my ba**s on the Corbin seat every time I brake? Will I magically learn to wheeli! e? Will I still be able to get my da** leg over the seat (I'm WAAY out of shape and not very flexible - I can barely get my foot over the seat now)? If I decide to try it, are there any special technical things I should know, or is it as simple as loosening 8 nuts, raising the clamp and re-tightening?
  • Avon Gripsters - OK, this may be a real dumba** question but here goes. New pair of AM-24's. Ride great. I got the wheels off OK (first time for this task), and had a local shop mount and balance. Now I'm taking a good close look, and it looks like the tread is "backwards" on the front tire. If you look at the centerline of the tread on these, there's a tread block the looks kinda like an arrow. On the rear tire, this points in the direction of wheel travel, but backwards on the front. I know - I checked the arrow on the sidewall that says "Mount this way, stupid" and that looks fine. So, any ideas why Avon has opposite tread direction on front and rear, or did I get the only mixed-up front tire in a run of 10,000?
  • Progressive Fork Springs - Everyone loves 'em right? Well, I ride 90% paved, 9% dirt, 1% rough stuff. I'm not exactly cheap, but I guess I want to know if I'll appreciate a different ride on primarily paved road if I make the big switch. Also, if I do, is this job appropriate for the minimally mechanically inclined (read wrench idiot)?
  • Chain lubing - Good idea, I know. Like I said, this is my first bike, and nobody told me different, so I thought every 3000 miles was about enough to lube the chain. OK, so the first chain's shot, and I replace it with DID O-ring chain. I dunno, was this a good or bad idea? It was a b**ch to get the little clip on the new connecting link, but I finally did it. Now, I'm hearing people say "O-ring chains require very little lubrication" and others say "Keep on waxing." Thoughts, everyone? And what about O-ring vs X-ring (what IS x-ring anyway?). On a side question, I had one he** of a time getting that rear wheel back on after changing the tire. I did tires and chain all at once. The hub/sprocket assmebly didn't want to fit between the swingarms - took FOREVER! Then, I couldn't get the hub hole to line up with the chain adjuster holes to get the da** axle thru!! All in all, a very long day. Maybe someone could tell me what I did wrong, or put a TECHNICAL TIPS item on the KLR! 650DSN page for removeing/reinstalling rear tire??

Now some quicikies for those of you who haven't given up on me as a hopeless loser yet:
  • Anyone know of a product I can use to make the Corbin seat less slippy? Maybe a spray product - or maybe something you can glue on, like on your shower floor?
  • Does the spring on the front brake line between the 2 rubber clamps actually do anything? I think I trashed mine taking it off the old line when I put on the Fastline, but I put it back on faithfully - looks like a dead Slinky now. Should I replace it, remove it, or just forget about it?
  • Does the Supertrapp exhaust fit under the Driveline side racks?
  • Anyone (besides me) notice a LOT more handgrip vibration after putting on Acerbis RallyPro handguards?


OK - we're in the home stretch. I have what seems like a great idea, I just need a little help making it perfect. I have the Driveline racks, and I would REALLY like to not have to take them off to get the seat off (for fuses, spark plugs, whatever). It seems like some holes of the appropriate size in the appropriate place on the side covers would allow access to the seat bolts without removing racks or side covers. In fact, I've done this, and it's never been so easy to get those seat bolts out. Now, as far as putting them back in . . . I've been unable to get the bolt to stay in a socket long enough to get in the frame - keeps falling out between side cover and frame. Not a BIG deal, always falls through, tempting me to keep trying . ..
I dunno - magnetic socket? Gumstick? Tiny pliers? Any ideas out there?

OK thanks to one and all for putting up with my newbie foolishness - I'll shut up now.

Mike Magier ( I dunno - I seem smart enough in the rest of my life . . .)
1998 A12 --Next_Part_2990029735_230322_MS_Mac_IMN-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom S." Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR electrical prob Date: 30 Sep 1998 23:28:29 -0700 >Assuming he was riding a KLR? >Check the fuses in the little rubber box right on top of the battery. >Remove the side covers and the seat. >One's the main fuse, the other covers the headlight. >Replace and enjoy! >b > > >Josh Sammons wrote: > >> Hey, >> I was riding with my dad the other day down the street and all of the sudden >> his headlight stopped working. Along with that, the rear light stopped >> working also. The break lights and blinkers do still work. I'm clueless >> when it comes to the electrical system on any bike so maybe you guys have so >> ideas what is wrong. A friend of mine said that it might be a dead cell in >> the battery. What do you guys think? >> Josh >> '92KLR650 Check the wiring harness under the fairing. Sometimes the quick disconect plugs behind/underneth the the instrument cluster come loose. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Sheepskin seat cover Date: 30 Sep 1998 23:29:40 -0700 At 04:30 PM 9/30/98 PDT, Juan Villarreal wrote: >I'm wanting to get a sheepskin seat cover. Are there any available >sized to fit the KLR? If not, where might be a good place to get one >(name, address, and website, please). Thanks in advance. > Mine came from Tandy leather for about $16. Cut to fit 'yerself. :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Magier Subject: Re: (klr650) Sheepskin seat cover Date: 30 Sep 1998 20:47:06 -0700 Sounds great. Can you give ideas on how to mount to seat? Mike Magier 98 A12 ---------- > From: Tom Simpson > > Mine came from Tandy leather for about $16. Cut to fit 'yerself. :) > > >-Tom >'96 KLR 650 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Sheepskin seat cover Date: 30 Sep 1998 23:44:50 -0700 At 08:47 PM 9/30/98 -0700, Mike Magier wrote: >Sounds great. Can you give ideas on how to mount to seat? > >Mike Magier >98 A12 >---------- >> From: Tom Simpson >> >> Mine came from Tandy leather for about $16. Cut to fit 'yerself. :) >> In my case I laced the straps for my saddle bags (home-made from ex-East German army rucksacks) through slits cut in the hide. The straps run over the edges of the shin, then through the slits and under the skin as theu pass over the seat. HTH! -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) KLR electrical prob Date: 01 Oct 1998 06:50:27 +0300 >his headlight stopped working. Along with that, the rear light stopped >working also. The break lights and blinkers do still work. > Boy I think the problem is related to the plugs and sockets under the speedometer. I had the same problem two months ago and finally I found out one of them was loose though I still couldn't understand the logic. I hoped to have the electrical circuit diagram in hand. Birol SAY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) Fwd: technical help. Date: 01 Oct 1998 07:08:50 +0300 I think you must convert to plain text instead of HTML format. Some of us can't be able to read it or at least the HTML formatted text comes as an attachment and it consumes time to open and read. I usually erase them al= l. Ride perfect, Surf perfect. Birol SAY -----=D6zg=FCn =DDleti----- Kimden: K650dsn@aol.com Kime: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Tarih: 12 Eyl=FCl 1998 Cumartesi 00:37 Konu: (klr650) Fwd: technical help. >Any ideas here? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tiktalk@seanet.com Subject: (klr650) Phoenix AZ Date: 30 Sep 1998 21:39:43 -0700 This is for Gino and Sam, and any other poor motorcyclist riding in PHX. I was born and raised in PHX. and I can say that if you ride in the city you will get hit. It is only a matter of time...... 1) Many drivers do not care if they hit you. This is OK if you drive a car (sometimes) But not for motorcyclists. 2) There are a large number of elderly people and young people that do not pay attention. 3) There are to many people in PHX and too much traffic. 4) The driver do not care about motorcyclists - if they hit or kill you the penalty is small or negligible to the car driver. My father worked for the city of PHX fire department. He had one rule regarding motorcycles - "You will not own a street bike and live in this house" He rode street bikes as a kid in PHX, but as the city became more populated it became more dangerous. His rule was formed by countless First Aid calls that he ran on car - M/C accidents, most resulting in fatalities for the motorcyclist, with the driver being at fault. He did not want me or my brother to get killed by some inconsiderate, driver. OK so much for my tirade. In AZ stick to the small towns, payson, Flagstaff, bisbee, Prescott and open road. Outside of the Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, Glendale, Peoria area it is much safer.