From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #19 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, March 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 019 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:43:52 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) FW: your order Stealth edging I bought a Clearview +4, tinted. As I recall it was $119.00 delivered. Jim '98 KLR In sunny Palmdale, CA. It was only 67 today :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:47:43 -0700 From: jfountain@webtv.net Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Versatility jim, you rock!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:04:59 -0600 From: Robert Carreras Subject: (klr650) Clearview/Saeng windshield Sale I've got 2 ea like new (Clear) Clearview +7 Shields w/Saeng edging ready to ship to the first 2 respondees: $80 ea. Original cost $98 for shield + $30 for edging = $128 They work great and came off my brother & wife's 2 KLR's before they went cruiser. Leave message...1st come first served at carreras@nstar.net BoB- (No I won't sell the one off MY KLR) Kurt Simpson wrote: > > > How much was the "clearview" windshield? Didn't somebody else talk about > > this a little while back? > > > > - Jules > > My 7" over was $104.70 including the gray tint. > > Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:54:08 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Kurt: Artie Shaw was a 1940's era big band leader. The guy on laugh-in is an Artie, but I can't think of his last name. He also played the German soldier in the bushes as well as the old lecher on the bus bench who got whacked by Ruth Buzzi all the time. Jim (Mr. Trivia in Palmdale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:58:49 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Versatility Jim: HERE, HERE. I couldn't have said it better myself. Jim Palmdale, CA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:01:08 -0700 From: jfountain@webtv.net Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! lets see tude, uppety, and chill pill. jim, you rock!!!!!!! and as far as having a nice day, Ithink I'll be having a nice week thank you very much. It was 80 degrees here today, and the rest of the week is supposed to be even better. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:21:28 -0600 From: "Jim & Melissa Sherlock" Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Great weather. I'ts gonna be up to 40 this week here, Was 14 this morning. Bike is coming out of its winter nap on Friday and so am I. Yeah!!!!!!!! Gotta ride cold or no. While you're enjoying that wonderful weather, twist a grip for those of us that were bogus winter bound. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: jfountain@webtv.net To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 7:01 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! lets see tude, uppety, and chill pill. jim, you rock!!!!!!! and as far as having a nice day, Ithink I'll be having a nice week thank you very much. It was 80 degrees here today, and the rest of the week is supposed to be even better. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:08:12 -0600 From: Chuck McCullough Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: San Diego and fun bike center Jim & Melissa Sherlock wrote: > > Hey thanks. This one goes in the save file. I've heard that ARK and Misery > have some nice hills to ride in. > > Jim Hey gang, The Ozarks are great for klr riding. Spent a bunch of time working there in early 80's, and loved it. I especially recommend hiway 19 in eastern Missouri as a twistie blacktop road. There are loads of county, Forest Service and town gravel roads branching from it. Had a great time down there last July on a Honda Ascot, and bought my klr the day I returned. However, I have since moved north, & will be exploring the Great Lakes instead of Ozarks this summer. If you live on the Plains, head for Missouri/Arkansas. Close & fun. Plenty of camping on public land, yada yada, ... Chuck McCullough Northern Wisconsin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:26:38 -0600 From: "Jim & Melissa Sherlock" Subject: (klr650) Non KLR Help I've got a question for you folks. I need to find a web site that has some good informative articles on it concerning Electromagnetic (Eddy Current) Testing. I need to do a report for school and so far I've only been able to locate miniscule one page introductions. I need to get into the science a little bit. If anyone has info please post me at chinook@iamerica.net. Thump On, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:19:16 -0600 From: Chuck McCullough Subject: (klr650) Artie Shaw?? Not Artie Shaw...Artie Johnson?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:10:44 -0500 From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Artie??? Artie Johnson - -----Original Message----- From: Francis Smith To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 8:04 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Kurt: Artie Shaw was a 1940's era big band leader. The guy on laugh-in is an Artie, but I can't think of his last name. He also played the German soldier in the bushes as well as the old lecher on the bus bench who got whacked by Ruth Buzzi all the time. Jim (Mr. Trivia in Palmdale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:41:34 EST From: Rcklr Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Artie??? You know, I can take all of the stuff about how my choice of transportation sucks...(just kidding, no one has said that despite what some of you may think), but I CAN'T take reading about 80 degree weather when it was a BIG FAT 0 when I woke up this morning!!!!!! Man, I wonder why I live in Minnesota sometimes. OK, OK, I'm calming down now...... Actually, I'm glad you guys are out riding and working all of these bugs out so I can take the hints that I've been reading about and improving my scoot.... Keep on ridin folks so that those of us in the frozen tundra can enjoy through you!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:46:26 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Artie Johnson doesn't ride a klr Artie Johnson was the comedian who performed that slap stick. I hired him to do promotional work in '82 for one of my clients. Heck of a nice guy, but he preferred to be chauffeured rather than hopin' on a bike. Ron (managing to stay vertical on his '96 KLR for now) In a message dated 3/10/98 4:54:43 PM, you wrote: >Kurt: > >Artie Shaw was a 1940's era big band leader. >The guy on laugh-in is an Artie, but I can't think >of his last name. He also played the German >soldier in the bushes as well as the old lecher >on the bus bench who got whacked by Ruth >Buzzi all the time. > >Jim (Mr. Trivia in Palmdale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:03:03 -0600 From: "alex jomarron" Subject: (klr650) cooling guage One simple solution to the inaccurate needle is to replace it with a digital or better quality analog gauge. This way you can see if indeed it is getting dangerously hot AND the added benefit is to possibly avoid standing next to it on the freeway while it cools! ;-)))))) (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL STILL waiting to adopt a 98 KLR! Chadd, I'll take that number you offered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:03:08 -0600 From: "alex jomarron" Subject: (klr650) RE: travelling South I among many who have traveled throughout Mexico, Guatemala,and Belize. I can only recommend that you simply keep your wits about you and know your surroundings. The 2 month trip I took 2 years ago was terrific, the scenery, people, food, and the accomodations.....well maybe not the accomodations. I would not recommend you camp only because a roof is so cheap. I stayed in Palenque, Tulum, and Zipolite Beach for $3-$5 a night. Hotels for 2 were 12-25 a night. So why camp. If you leave your bike to hike ruins, lock bags, cover it, and hope for the best. Yo and your bike can get mugged anywhere in the world. I don't want to be cavalier and say hey it's just luck, but it is part of the equation. The only problem I had is at the Guatemala/Belize border where the official kept repeating "overtime" and "rich American" trying (and succeeding) to get a bribe (mordida). We payed in order to expedite matters as the border was going to close and it was late afternoon. I highly recommend the trip to those who are flexible, laid back, and like to deal with the unknown. Finally, I too have heard the horror stories. I hear them here about Chicago too. Go for it!!!!!!! Regards, Alex Jomarron Oak Park,IL 88 BMW K75S 98 KLR 650 <---STILL waiting! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:03:03 -0600 From: "alex jomarron" Subject: (klr650) cooling guage One simple solution to the inaccurate needle is to replace it with a digital or better quality analog gauge. This way you can see if indeed it is getting dangerously hot AND the added benefit is to possibly avoid standing next to it on the freeway while it cools! ;-)))))) (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL STILL waiting to adopt a 98 KLR! Chadd, I'll take that number you offered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:03:08 -0600 From: "alex jomarron" Subject: (klr650) RE: travelling South I among many who have traveled throughout Mexico, Guatemala,and Belize. I can only recommend that you simply keep your wits about you and know your surroundings. The 2 month trip I took 2 years ago was terrific, the scenery, people, food, and the accomodations.....well maybe not the accomodations. I would not recommend you camp only because a roof is so cheap. I stayed in Palenque, Tulum, and Zipolite Beach for $3-$5 a night. Hotels for 2 were 12-25 a night. So why camp. If you leave your bike to hike ruins, lock bags, cover it, and hope for the best. Yo and your bike can get mugged anywhere in the world. I don't want to be cavalier and say hey it's just luck, but it is part of the equation. The only problem I had is at the Guatemala/Belize border where the official kept repeating "overtime" and "rich American" trying (and succeeding) to get a bribe (mordida). We payed in order to expedite matters as the border was going to close and it was late afternoon. I highly recommend the trip to those who are flexible, laid back, and like to deal with the unknown. Finally, I too have heard the horror stories. I hear them here about Chicago too. Go for it!!!!!!! Regards, Alex Jomarron Oak Park,IL 88 BMW K75S 98 KLR 650 <---STILL waiting! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:24:58 -0600 From: Chadd Thompson Subject: Re: (klr650) cooling guage At 09:03 PM 3/10/98 -0600, you wrote: >Alex Jomarron >Oak Park, IL > >STILL waiting to adopt a 98 KLR! >Chadd, I'll take that number you offered. > > The name of the Place is Victory Lane Power Sports in Dupo IL The number is 618-286-6100 You may also try contacting Kawasaki they will track down a bike for you. When I bought mine last year I called them up and the looked in the Computer and told me where to find one. The number is on their web page I think. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:41:31 EST From: K650dsn Subject: Re: (klr650) FW: your order Stealth edging In a message dated 98-03-10 16:04:31 EST, you write: << dare I put a lowering kit on the bike...I'm going to be on pavement most of the time but there is great off roading here in Utah. For commuting it is a pain to have to extricate myself from the bike each and every time I get on and off. Gino, don't you have one of these? >> While I do like tall bikes, I really like how the lowering kit makes the KLR handle. The true test will be Moab. I invested in a Moose skid plate to protect the bikes lowered bottom. No complaints so far. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:42:13 EST From: K650dsn Subject: Re: (klr650) Caution In a message dated 98-03-10 17:47:06 EST, you write: << Do you know if Dual Star has a web site? Would like to see what goodies they have to offer. >> No they don't at this time. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:05:28 -0600 From: Robert Carreras Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: Clearview/Saeng windshield Sale] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------EB2F036E0D435BA7D6C457B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First post had error in Shield size...not +7, but +4....corrected copy: I've got 2 ea like new (Clear) Clearview +4 Shields w/Saeng edging ready to ship to the first 2 respondees: $80 ea. Original cost $98 for shield + $30 for edging = $128 They work great and came off my brother & wife's 2 KLR's before they went cruiser. Leave message...1st come first served at carreras@nstar.net BoB- (No I won't sell the one off MY KLR) - --------------EB2F036E0D435BA7D6C457B9 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3505E33B.5E75F92@nstar.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:04:59 -0600 From: Robert Carreras X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: Clearview/Saeng windshield Sale References: <3505CB8C.66A73D57@softhome.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got 2 ea like new (Clear) Clearview +7 Shields w/Saeng edging ready to ship to the first 2 respondees: $80 ea. Original cost $98 for shield + $30 for edging = $128 They work great and came off my brother & wife's 2 KLR's before they went cruiser. Leave message...1st come first served at carreras@nstar.net BoB- (No I won't sell the one off MY KLR) Kurt Simpson wrote: > > > How much was the "clearview" windshield? Didn't somebody else talk about > > this a little while back? > > > > - Jules > > My 7" over was $104.70 including the gray tint. > > Kurt - --------------EB2F036E0D435BA7D6C457B9-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:09:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Dale W. Borgeson" Subject: (klr650) Re: klr alternator output Here's a brief tutorial on the KLR's charging system. My service manual has a good diagram in the supplement page 14-5. Kawasaki calls this a magneto. It is also sometimes called a permanent magnet alternator. No matter what you call it, it's what makes the electricity. A multi pole permanent magnet spins around the three phase stator. The stator is three coils of wire wound around a paramegnetic material. A paramagnetic material is one that is not in of itself magnetic but in the presence of a magnetic field will become magnetized and produce a field stronger than the imposed field. As the magnet spins the magnetic field lines of each pole pass through each stator core. This produces a increasing and then falling strength magnetic field in each stator core. In physics there is a law which says that if there is a conductor in the presence of a varying magnetic field a electric field will be induced in the conductor. There's a bit more to it than that but you don't really want to see the equations. The bottom line is that the rotating magnet produces a varying mangnetic field in the stator core which produces an alternating (AC) electric field (voltage) in the stator winding. With a slight simplification, the amount of voltage generated is proportional to the strength of the magnetic field, the rate at which the field moves (RPM), and the number of coils on each stator. The three stator windings are mounted 120 degrees appart. They will produce three voltage sine waves that are 120 degrees appart in phase. Each stator is connected to two diodes which form a full wave rectifier. The rectifier diodes convert the sine wave voltage (alternating voltage) to a pulsating DC. Pulsating DC is essentially a DC voltage with a little ripple on it. One end of each rectifier is connected to ground (-) and the other end is connected to the hot side (+). There are three stators so there are three rectifiers. The outputs of all three rectifiers are connected in parallel so that the result is that the three phases add together and produce a relatively smooth DC voltage. This by it self would produce a DC voltage which varied with the RPM of the magnet and the amount of load (how much current you're drawing from the system). To deal with this there is a voltage regulator. The design used in the KLR, and many other motorcycles, is called a shunt regulator. In the diagram there are three SCR's shown (at least the schematic symbol is that for an SCR). SCR means Silicon Controlled Rectifier. It's a sort of electronicaly controlled switch. Each SCR is connected between one of the stator windings and ground. The gate of each SCR is connected to a controller module which in turn is connected to the positive terminal of the battery (via the ignition switch) via a signal called monitor. That's a good description as that's what it does. It monitors the voltage across the battery and adjusts the output of the regulator to be correct for the RPM and electrical load. What the regulator does is turn on the SCR's and shunts the un-needed power to ground. Under normal operating conditions the stator coils are putting out a lot more than 12 volts. What the SCR's do is turn on for a portion of the sine wave and effectively short out the stator windings and divert the excess power to ground. Take a average condition where the bike is running down the road and you're running with your headlight. Everything is in equalibrium. The SCR's are turning on and off at whatever frequency they need to to maintain 14.5 volts across the battery. Now you speed up thus increasing the engine RPM. THe voltage out of the stators will rise and the voltage out of the regulator will begin to rise. As this happens the monitor will detect this and increase the time the SCR's are on, shunting more current to ground thus returning the output voltage to the proper voltage. Conversely, you keep the RPM constant and go to high beam. This draws more current from the regulator and this will cause the voltage to begin to drop. The monitor will detect this drop and reduce the amount of time that the SCR's are turned on thus allowing more current to flow to the load (less to ground) and bring the output voltage back to where it belongs. If the RPM's drop too low the stator output will be so low that load will take everything the stators can put out - the SCR's will be off all the time and the regulator stops working. At this time the headlight starts to dim and your turn signals flash slowly. The other condition is that you are at 5000 RPM and you have an electric vest and gloves, auxiliary lights, and your high beam on. With each additional thing you turn on the SCR's turn on less and less. At some point you can add enough load that the SCR's are off all the time and from then on more load will cause the voltage to drop. If it drops far enough you'll start pulling current out of the battery. The only possible bad thing about this condition, other than draining your battery, is that the rectifier diodes are operating at maximum current and therefore the highest temperature. If this current is too near their rated value it will reduce their life. Heat is the enemy of all semiconductors. The KLR's manual says that the alternator is rated for 14 amps and 14 Volts at 8000 RPM. That's 196 watts. Remember that's at 8000 RPM, near if not past the redline. At lower RPM's there's LESS power available. I would guess that the power capicity is linear with RPM. That means that at 5000 RPM you've only got about 9 Amps. The easiest way to tell how close to the edge you're operating is to connect your multimeter to the +12 V supply and duct tape it to the tank. Then ride at freeway speed with your electric vest and whatever other loads you intend to connect operating. Then look at the volt meter. If it's less than 13.5 volts you're marginal. If it's less than 12.5 you're running on the battery. As to increasing the capacity of the system you can't really change the strength of the magnet but you can increase the number of windings (larger electric field induced) or the diameter of the winding wires (reduce the internal impedance of the stator), or both, if there's room. However, you may have to use higher voltage and higher current diodes in the rectifier and bigger SCR's in the regulator. Since all this stuff is inside a sealed module it's pretty tough to change or even find out what's there now. From what I've seen in other consumer grade electronic equipment, I'd bet that the regulator/rectifier components selected by Kawasaki are only just big enough to do the job and no more. You may be wondering why they just didn't put in a regular alternator like those used in cars? I guess cost. The KLR's design is simple and cheap. It's also pretty reliable as long as you don't push it too hard. The disadvantage of a permanent magnet alternator with a shunt regulator is that it dose not work well in applications where there can be a large variation in load current (i.e. loads switching in and out). For large variation load environments a automotive alternator is a better choice. Some bikes do have this sype of system. My old Concours had a regular automotive type alternator. OTOH my Honda CBR600's system is essentially the same as the KLR's. Cheers - -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 21:10:38 PST From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Re: klr alternator output Dale, Your explanation of how the KLR charging system works was great! Thanks, Marick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:16:27 -0700 From: bp5852@ibm.net Subject: (klr650) Colorado Dealer-not impressed(?) Jeff, Which dealer did you go to, and what didn't you like? Didn't they have a KLR to look at? Curious minds, >...If anyone knows a good Kawasaki dealer in Colorado I would be >interested. This weekend I was in Denver at what is supposed to be the >biggest dealer in the area. I was not impressed... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:48:08 -0700 (MST) From: "jeffrey r. steele" Subject: Re: (klr650) Colorado Dealer-not impressed(?) Curious Minds, I went to Fay Myers. They did not have any to look at or buy. I was serious and the wife and I felt they blew us off. We live near Breckenridge, and do not have a dealer in our immediate area. So we are looking for a dealer who is willing to give us good service, or at least acknowledge that we exist. Anyway, if anyone has a suggestion, please let me know. Jeff At 10:16 PM 3/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >Jeff, > >Which dealer did you go to, and what didn't you like? Didn't they have >a KLR to look at? > >Curious minds, > >>...If anyone knows a good Kawasaki dealer in Colorado I would be >interested. This weekend I was in Denver at what is supposed to be the >biggest dealer in the area. I was not impressed... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:26:28 -0800 From: "Kathleen" Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! <<< Artie Shaw was a 1940's era big band leader. The guy on laugh-in is an Artie, but I can't think of his last name. He also played the German soldier in the bushes as well as the old lecher on the bus bench who got whacked by Ruth Buzzi all the time. Jim (Mr. Trivia in Palmdale)>>>>> The Laugh-In tricycle rider, et al, was Artie Johnson. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:05:25 -0800 From: "Kathleen" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR alternator output <<<- Jules bosozoku@olywa.net p.s. yes you can have the alternator re-wound to have it produce more wattage. I am talking to a local shop presently to found out how much that will really cost>>>> Jules, I would be interested in what you find out about re-winding the stator. I contacted Baja Designs about this same thing. The replied that they do not offer a stator re-wind for the KLR (or my TDM) because it is a three phase stator. They only consider doing most street bikes if they have a large number of the same model to re-wind. .Also said that the alternator usually needs to be changed out. Wonder what they consider to be "a large number"??? Thanks to all for the education on this electrical stuff. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:03:51 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) stock front tire Jim, I have reached 103 mph on my speedo for whatever that is worth. It was not top speed. Todd '97 KLR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:21:53 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Versatility JIM FOR KLR PRESIDENT. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:17:46 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR alternator output I have used Shoup Enterprise to rewind stators. They do good work and I have seen Dirt Bike mention them before. The only problem in doing good work is that everyone wants them and they are usually back logged. They are at 3172 Glendam Dr. Grand Junction, Colorado. Phone# 970-434-0906 Fred Hink moabmc@lasal.net Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html - -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 12:08 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR alternator output ><<<- Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >p.s. yes you can have the alternator re-wound to have it produce more >wattage. I am talking to a local shop presently to found out how much that >will really cost>>>> > >Jules, >I would be interested in what you find out about re-winding the stator. I >contacted Baja Designs about this same thing. The replied that they do not >offer a stator re-wind for the KLR (or my TDM) because it is a three phase >stator. They only consider doing most street bikes if they have a large >number of the same model to re-wind. .Also said that the alternator usually >needs to be changed out. >Wonder what they consider to be "a large number"??? > >Thanks to all for the education on this electrical stuff. >Kathleen > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:13:47 -0600 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Aerostich saddlebags Kurt Simpson wrote: > Jim Barthell wrote: > > > > How do you like those hiway bars? > > I like them for two reasons. First, yes..they do give another position > (I'm not long enough to get into that classic stretch position that hog > riders love but I bet you are), so that is still another way to move > around and keep the circulation going. But second, it looks to me that > they may function as something of an engine guard along with the Moose > plate when I hole-hog myself into the dirt...They are not elegant but > match the industrial look of parts of the bike... I really like 'em for the extra leg room. I have also replaced the handlebars with some pulled back streetbars. As a byproduct of this swap on my last trip I found I can use the GIVI topcase as a backrest, reach the handlebars naturally with my feet on the regular pegs. I think if I add about a 3 to 4 inch pad to the topcase I could reach the hiway bars. Naturally, this means I'm using the full length of the Corbin so I'm not sure if this setup would work with a Russell seat. - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:18:58 -0600 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Caution K650dsn wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-10 17:47:06 EST, you write: > > << Do you know if Dual Star has a web site? Would like to see what goodies > they > have to offer. >> > No they don't at this time. Well.... technically they do: http://www.dual-star.com/ It just doesn't have anything on it yet - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:15:01 -0600 From: mcpete@juno.com Subject: (klr650) Adjusting chain OK, for a long term BMW rider who has never owned a Japanense bike, what's the simplist way to adjust my chain on my KLR? I put the bike on the side stand (I also have a center stand), I go to the bottom in the middle of the chain and move it up and down and check, adjust by using the adjusters on the rear, align marks, and that's it? Is it that simple? How much movement do you guys allow? I have read that running it too tight can do all kinds of damage. What is too tight? How often does it need adjusting? On cross country trips, check every day? Do I do this with the chain hot, after a ride, or cold, before a ride. Or does it matter? TIA Pete McMahon '93 R100R (G/S Lowrider) "97 KLR (Learning to like it!) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:31:29 -0500 From: Thomas Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Adjusting chain mcpete@juno.com wrote: > > OK, for a long term BMW rider who has never owned a Japanense bike, > what's the simplist way to adjust my chain on my KLR? I put the bike on > the side stand (I also have a center stand), I go to the bottom in the > middle of the chain and move it up and down and check, adjust by using > the adjusters on the rear, align marks, and that's it? Is it that simple? > How much movement do you guys allow? I have read that running it too > tight can do all kinds of damage. What is too tight? How often does it > need adjusting? On cross country trips, check every day? Do I do this > with the chain hot, after a ride, or cold, before a ride. Or does it > matter? > Nominaly, you set it up on the side stand making sure that you leave slack at *all* points in the chain. Whatever you do, set it up looser than you think you should and looser that the book says. That chain will lie to you and end up tighter than it outh to be if you are not careful. And how do I know? It happened to me yesterday... - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 06:39:33 PST From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Adjusting chain Pete, Manual on my KLX (is the KLR is the same?) says to adjust the chain so that you can lift it up off the swing arm between 2.2 and 2.4 inches, measured at the back end of the black plastic slider. I'd go for the looser end of this range. This should be done after you've rotated the chain to find the place where it is tightest. The manual also says to adjust the wheel so that it is evenly aligned on both sides with the marks. Would be better to use a straight edge to make sure the wheels are parallel. I don't think it matters whether chain is hot or cold to adjust it. Works best to lube it when it's warm, though, as the lube will better work its way into tiny crevices. How often a chain needs adjusting depends a great deal on your riding style. If you are smooth in shifting gears, aren't a wheelie addict, and use a high quality chain, you can go quite a long time before having to readjust. On the other hand . . . . Best to check it every thousand miles or so until you learn how often is required. Now, if you really want to start an endless controversy, ask whether o-ring chains need to be lubed and, if so, with what. Marick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 06:49:13 PST From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Adjusting Chain, pt. 2 Oops, forgot to mention the chain slack measurement is to be made with the bike on its side stand. Marick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:56:57 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) NKLR... A lot of lists get this thing going where some people get upset with the off-topic posts...I propose that we encourage humor and creativity to a point and any off-topic posts we labeled NKLR for no klr content... Michael Magnatta wrote: > > Artie Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francis Smith > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! > > Kurt: > > Artie Shaw was a 1940's era big band leader. > The guy on laugh-in is an Artie, but I can't think > of his last name. He also played the German > soldier in the bushes as well as the old lecher > on the bus bench who got whacked by Ruth > Buzzi all the time. > > Jim (Mr. Trivia in Palmdale) And back to Jim's original post...I hate those Artie Johnson dumps...not only do you feel and look stupid...they can really bang you up especially if they are in big loose rocks... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:50:10 -0800 From: nma@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Traveling south The best thing about all these rumors is that it keeps such a great place from getting too crowded. Rob Swan new mexico On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:45:23 -0800 frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) writes: >Marick > >Bill Haycock (sp)?, just returned from a 14 day >run through our corrupt neighbor to the south. >You might want to e-mail him for the straight >skinny. I share your fears about going into >Mexico. There's alot of the U.S. and Canada >I havn't seen yet, so I'll keep traveling to the >north thankyou. > >Jim '98KLR > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:19:37 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Colorado Dealer-not impressed(?) jeffrey r. steele wrote: > > Curious Minds, > > I went to Fay Myers. They did not have any to look at or buy. I was serious > and the wife and I felt they blew us off. We live near Breckenridge, and do > not have a dealer in our immediate area. So we are looking for a dealer who > is willing to give us good service, or at least acknowledge that we exist. > Anyway, if anyone has a suggestion, please let me know. > > Jeff > > At 10:16 PM 3/10/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Jeff, > > > >Which dealer did you go to, and what didn't you like? Didn't they have > >a KLR to look at? > > > >Curious minds, > > > >>...If anyone knows a good Kawasaki dealer in Colorado I would be > >interested. This weekend I was in Denver at what is supposed to be the > >biggest dealer in the area. I was not impressed... > > > > > > We have two dealers in Salt Lake City, they get about 8-10 bikes between them, one will not deal, the other will and has 4 left. They both tell me they sell out early and that is all they get. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:23:10 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: klr alternator output Dale W. Borgeson wrote: > > Here's a brief tutorial on the KLR's charging system. My service manual Great post Dale, as the list matures and we have knowledgeable people willing to share expertise we can gather a tremendous pool of information. We will need to archive it in special ways so that it can be found again... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:17:58 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Military Attache Anyone thinking of adding saddle bags or a center stand might want to take a look at: http://www.cadv.org/marinestuff/21ca.htm. Cool photo of a KLR250-DS Marine Corps Motorcycle. If the case is tough enough for Jar Heads, it just might work for me. (After seeing what our government pays for a 250, all of us should feel better about what we paid for our 650 :-) Ron (semper fi) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:59:46 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) enough!!!! Artie Johnson, you're right. For as often as he is used in crossword puzzles, I'm ashamed I couldn't remenber his last name. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:15:13 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) Adjusting chain Pete: The manual recommends that the play in the chain be no less than 2.1" or more than 2.4". When the chain is adjusted is not too important, but I'd oil it just after a ride. Oiling is recommended every 200 miles in the book, but I just took a 300 miler on Sunday and the chain looked like it had plenty of lube on it when I got home. I use Bel Rey, but may go back to PJ-1, because it is more viscous and doesn't end up on the rear rim, etc. Jim Palmdale (71 degrees today, guys & gals) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:20:15 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR... Kurt: Out here, the pucker bushes smart too. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:22:11 -0800 From: bosozoku@olywa.net Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR alternator output ><<<- Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >p.s. yes you can have the alternator re-wound to have it produce more >wattage. I am talking to a local shop presently to found out how much that >will really cost>>>> > >Jules, >I would be interested in what you find out about re-winding the stator. I >contacted Baja Designs about this same thing. The replied that they do not >offer a stator re-wind for the KLR (or my TDM) because it is a three phase >stator. They only consider doing most street bikes if they have a large >number of the same model to re-wind. .Also said that the alternator usually >needs to be changed out. >Wonder what they consider to be "a large number"??? > >Thanks to all for the education on this electrical stuff. >Kathleen You have a TDM? How do you like it? The shop I am talking to is an auto electrics place but the main guy there rides enduro races often and he upgraded his own bike (XR650R). He has not looked at my bike yet but he DOES know what he is doing. The technical knowledge of this guy is scary. I will let you know what I find out. - - Jules ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:28:11 -0800 From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: Re: (klr650) Colorado Dealer-not impressed(?) Last April I went to Burt's Motorcycle Mall in Azuza (One of, if not thee largest dealers in California) to buy a '97 KLR. They had none in stock and couldn't locate one on the compu- - -ter. I ended up buying a used '92. I think all of the dealers run out of KLR's just before the summer months. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #19 ***************************