From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #52 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Sunday, April 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 052 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 09:12:10 -0500 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Tires Ted Palmer wrote: > For road use, I use Metzeler ME33 Laser on the front and Metronic ME55A > on the back. These models have been around for a while so are fairly > cheap. What size is the ME55a??? I have had to run the ME1 since I couldn't find another in the OEM size. The ME1 is a great tire but I only got 5000 miles out of the last one. - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 09:17:31 -0500 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) new owner questions Ted Palmer wrote: > Very interesting though. I've never trailered my KLR anywhere (ok, it > got trailered home after a bastard opened his car door on me while I > was splitting lanes, but that's different). Yeah I knew this was comming ;-) I wind up with the KLR in the back of our pickup more than I like. I'm of the family persuasion and for me to take a long trip usually involves packing up the family, (KLR included), driving out for a visit with parents, (mine or hers), dropping everyone off for a week or 2 and I take off on the bike. "See ya in a week kids!" - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:25:51 EDT From: nocoffee@juno.com (Norman D Coffenberry) Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE >This is not just the local Kawasaki dealer, Suzuki, KTM, BMW at least >here >in Kentucky they are all >the same. Yup, ditto here in Florence, KY and I get a little better treatment than most... probably because I teach MSF classes and could steer them a little business, if I were so inclined. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:00:53 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Fred-Dealer-Mail >>>Hey, found this link with Fred in it-hey Fred, are you in any of the >>>pix? http://moabutah.com/magazine/balancing_the_rocks.htm >I must confess it is I in the blue helmet and blue jacket. Fred, I had you pegged for the guy sittin' with the babe. Oh well. Not only has Fred put up with my shenanigans, but he was very helpful with GPS info and maps for Moab. I second the impression that he is a stand up guy. He will get my biz. My local Kawasaki dealer must be much more customer service oriented than the rest out there. Parts that do need ordering are in within the week, and they call me when it arrives. The wrenches there that I've talked with are great guys. Somethin' about being able to look 'em in the eye to confirm their answers helps me to sleep better. There are a lot of local resources here, but the few times I've used mail order co.s it went smoothly. Ron (still keeping his bathroom stocked with catalogs) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:17:28 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Michael Magnatta wrote: > > Listen to this one: My local Long Island Kaw dealer doesn't keep in > stock the little rubber o-ring needed to change the oil - you have to > special order it. hello... [...] Huh? Where does this O-ring go? Is this just a 650 thing? Is it that much a special size that any competent bearing/seal supplier couldn't sell you hundreds if you showed them one? Mister_T - -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:05:32 +0100 (BST) From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: (klr650) Need help on KLR650 speedo problem Hi guys, I've got a little problem I was wondering if anybody could help. The speedo on my bike's gone dead. I thought it was the cable and I've replaced it but that wasn't it, the speedo's still dead. Any pointers as to what other things to look at? Thanks. Yus - -- Yusseri Yusoff / y.yusoff@ee.surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/showstaff?Yusoff Centre for Vision, Speech and Signal Processing University of Surrey Guildford GU2 5XH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:16:51 -0500 From: Jim Barthell Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: Need help on KLR650 speedo problem] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------57D0C8C6EA9C41A945701E29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any help here? - --------------57D0C8C6EA9C41A945701E29 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bodhi.dorje.com ([199.45.131.14]) by mtiwgwc02.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980410181048.DKIM28887@bodhi.dorje.com>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:10:48 +0000 Received: from bodhi (localhost.dorje.com [127.0.0.1]) by bodhi.dorje.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24103; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: alanf@dorje.com Reply-To: thumper@dorje.com Originator: thumper@dorje.com Sender: thumper@dorje.com Precedence: bulk From: Yusseri Yusoff To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Need help on KLR650 speedo problem X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Single cylinder motorcycle owners list MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi guys, I've got a little problem I was wondering if anybody could help. The speedo on my bike's gone dead. I thought it was the cable and I've replaced it but that wasn't it, the speedo's still dead. Any pointers as to what other things to look at? Thanks. Yus - -- Yusseri Yusoff / y.yusoff@ee.surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/showstaff?Yusoff Centre for Vision, Speech and Signal Processing University of Surrey Guildford GU2 5XH - --------------57D0C8C6EA9C41A945701E29-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:21:08 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Tingate mufflers???? Anyone (Mister_T?) have any experience with this outfit or products? Durability, noise, % increase (or decrease?) in HP, spark arrest? tingate4 http://www.ozemail.com.au/~davidsm/tingate4.html (site snip) Aluminium Mufflers Only - $360 + Postage** (approx.$240 US) >>>>>>KLR 600 - KLR 650A - KLX 250<<<<<< DR 250/350-DR 600-DR 650 XR 250-XR 350-XR 400-XR 500-XR 600-*XR 600 (Twin Header) XT 250/350-XT 600 **All prices in Australian Dollars Ron (whose mouth may need a muffler) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:20:52 -0500 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Ted Palmer wrote: > Huh? Where does this O-ring go? Is this just a 650 thing? > Is it that much a special size that any competent bearing/seal supplier > couldn't sell you hundreds if you showed them one? For future reference...The O-ring is included with the FRAM oil filter - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:31:17 +0000 From: Wayne South Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE This reminded me of a particular KTM dealer who shall remain nameless but is located in North Vernon, Indiana who charges 5% over retail for any parts that they have in stock and don't have to order. They say it is to cover the cost of having to carry the inventory. I thought that was a standard cost of doing business and was included in the markup from wholesale to retail!!! I guess they figure they have the market cornered and can do whatever they want. Wayne South At 09:39 AM 4/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >Listen to this one: My local Long Island Kaw dealer doesn't keep in >stock the little rubber o-ring needed to change the oil - you have to >special order it. hello... > >Mike Magnatta > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wayne South >To: klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 10:15 AM >Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE > > >I can not agree more, I go to the Kawasaki dealer in Louisville, KY and >wait >30 minutes to >get waited on by a surly parts guy who acts like it is a pain to even >look >up parts. Then >he tells me they have to order it, then you can always count on it >taking at >LEAST TWO to THREE weeks >for them to get the part and they will never call you to tell you it is >in. >You have to keep >checking with them to see if it is in yet(and they act like it is a pain >to >check). > >OR.. I can call Midwest Action Cycle(plug) on their 800 number and even >if >they don't have it in stock >they get it in a day or so and I have it two days later regular UPS. So >if >I call them on Monday >I will have it on Friday. And their prices are usually 15-25 percent >cheaper than the local dealer and >no sales tax. > >Guess what my usual choice is!!!! > >This is not just the local Kawasaki dealer, Suzuki, KTM, BMW at least >here >in Kentucky they are all >the same. So as they said in the movie Network, "I'm mad as hell and I >not >going to take it anymore"!! >and I buy virtually all my parts mail order until the local dealers >improve >or go out of business >and are replaced by dealers that carry parts for the bikes they sell. > >Wayne... >At 01:55 PM 4/10/98 -0600, you wrote: >>At 12:32 PM 4/10/1998 -0500, Robert Carreras wrote: >>>Now I've really had it....I was just called a Poster boy for the >>>Dealer/Mail Order debate. >>>Ok, I accept that, especially since I ordered a set of IMS Wide Pegs >for >>>my KLR, NOT KLX from a "warehouse"....and got the KLX set which >>>definitely DON'T FIT. >>>Pay return postage & a $3.00 restocking fee? NOTONYOURLIFE! >>>Scream, holler, write your congressman, whatever: DON'T BE SUBJECT TO >>>THAT KIND OF TREATMENT- or go to your friendly Dealer- like Fred. >>>Bob- (waiting to feel the tremor over this debate). >> >>Part of my problem with my local dealer is that it takes him much >longer to >>get parts in than when I order them from MAW. Sometimes he even tells >me >>something like, "I've already phoned this week's order in so I'll >probably >>get it on next week's, etc." Another thing, he is so busy when I go >into >>his shop that I usually have to wait 30-45 minutes (now, this has a >>frontside to it because he is such a great guy that when you have his >>attention you really have it). MAW was pretty marginal last year for me >but >>lately they have been spectacular. Finally, prices and >taxes...everything I >>order from MAW comes tax free...that's 6% + and is usually enough to >more >>than pay for shipping. Finally, costs, in spite of dropping 3 grand in >>parts and service last year he does not offer me a good customer >discount. >>So, for example, last week I asked him the price on a white Moto-6 Bell >>Helmet, he quotes me $299, I check MAW and it is $212, so with tax that >is >>33% markup. I don't know...there is no easy solution. >> >>Kurt >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:33:55 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Tires Jim Barthell wrote: [...] > What size is the ME55a??? I have had to run the ME1 since I couldn't find > another in the OEM size. The ME1 is a great tire but I only got 5000 miles out > of the last one. Over here it's 130/80 V17. It's not the sexiest tread pattern, but it does the job. Mister_T - -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:51:03 -0400 From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Ted: Thanks. I remember from a post a week or so ago someone mentioning the Fram filter. Yeah, I suppose one could locate a bearing/seal supplier, but should one have to go through all of that for a simple o-ring? I mean, Fram knows enough to include the o-ring with filter, but the company/dealer that designed and marketed the product can't? I see parts hanging on the wall behind the parts desk that must have been there for months. Please... Mike Magnatta - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barthell To: Ted Palmer Cc: KLR650 mailing list Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 12:27 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Ted Palmer wrote: > Huh? Where does this O-ring go? Is this just a 650 thing? > Is it that much a special size that any competent bearing/seal supplier > couldn't sell you hundreds if you showed them one? For future reference...The O-ring is included with the FRAM oil filter - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:18:39 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Tingate mufflers???? Cloudhid wrote: > Anyone (Mister_T?) have any experience with this outfit or products? > Durability, noise, % increase (or decrease?) in HP, spark arrest? Tingate are well respected over here. They tend to specialise in race stuff, but I don't doubt they do nice traillie mufflers as well. I don't need one myself, yet, I'm still on the original after 12 years. If the Tingate sounds better than the standard twittering budgie fart stocker, then it can't be too bad. If you are after stainless, then maybe Staintune might be the way to go. Staintune do a fair line of cans and systems for all sorts of bikes. I found some hits in Alta Vista, you may find a net-aware dealer near you. To start with, have a look at: http://www.calbmwtriumph.com/page04.shtml Noisewise, aussie-made systems tended to be loud, because our noise regs are not very stictly enforced, but are getting tougher. Systems these days are getting quieter as the makers are getting more sophisticated and world market aware. In the bad old days, the common perception was noise=power (which in my case, header pipe only equals bulk power, but also a drastic need for earplugs too). As for spark arrest, I don't recall any strict aussie rules about this, so aussie systems may not have any extra benefit in this area. I suppose it depends on the internal design of the muffler. Powerwise, if an aftermarket system produces less power, it doesn't deserve to be on the market. Mister_T - -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:47:13 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Michael Magnatta wrote: > Thanks. I remember from a post a week or so ago someone mentioning the > Fram filter. Yeah, I suppose one could locate a bearing/seal supplier, > but should one have to go through all of that for a simple o-ring? I > mean, Fram knows enough to include the o-ring with filter, but the > company/dealer that designed and marketed the product can't? I see parts > hanging on the wall behind the parts desk that must have been there for > months. Please... Depends on how much you want to pay. Stuff from a bearing supplier is generally OEM without the extra packaging of the bike maker. I only get bearings and seals from the bike shop if it a special size that does not appear in specialist bearing shop catalogues. (HK2230x30 needle roller for my RC17 swingarm is an example, bearing shop list only had HK2230x16 but bike shop had the right bearing on the shelf as other H*ndas use this swingarm bearing as well) As for the O-ring, I guess it is the one in the filter access cap. I've only ever changed it once, and that was only because I was having the clutch cover off to change the waterpump seal (which still leaks) and changed all the seals and gaskets in that area, even the clutch throwout lever bearing. (Heh, you should have seen the chunks of junk I pulled off the oil pickup strainer, scary) Mister_T - -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:50:59 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) Tingate mufflers???? >(snip)Tingate are well respected over here. They tend to specialise >in race stuff, but I don't doubt they do nice traillie mufflers as well. >I don't need one myself, yet, I'm still on the original after 12 years. >If the Tingate sounds better than the standard twittering budgie fart >stocker, then it can't be too bad.If you are after stainless.. Staintune >might be the way t0...http://www.calbmwtriumph.com/page04.shtml >Mister_T Thanks for the info and site Ted. Have to agree with your opinion that an exhuast that decreases power doesn't deserve to make it to market. But they do!! Vance&Hines got nailed for an aftermarket that proved to be more restrictive than the stocker. There's probably others. I don't +need+ one for my 2 year old either. But just between the 2 of us, these other folks talkin' about beefin' up thier babies has me dreaming. Ron (putting all those currency converting sites to good use) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:11:02 -0500 From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Tires Ted Palmer wrote: > Over here it's 130/80 V17. It's not the sexiest tread pattern, but it > does the job. Doesn't look like that size is available here. Closest is a 130/90 17. Anyone know if a 13/90 will fit. I looked for a 120/90 but no luck. Here again were talking street tires. DS tires are dead easy. - -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:28:36 -0700 From: Jean Philippe Bagel Subject: (klr650) Magazines question Hi all, 1- Are there some Dual Sports only magazines out there? 2- For the Canadian on the list (Québecois especially/surtout), do you receive the French magazine Moto Verte? Thx much. - -JP "Fu%*()$ raining again in Seattle today!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:40:29 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) Magazines question Here's a site that even lists Gino. (Kurt do you want any more traffic?) Motorcycle Web Dire= ctory -=0AE-Zines http://www.moto-directory.com/e-zines.htm Ron (reading cuz it's rainin' here too) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Hi all, > >1- Are there some Dual Sports only magazines out there? >2- For the Canadian on the list (Qu=E9becois especially/surtout), do you >receive the French magazine Moto Verte? > >Thx much. > >-JP "Fu%*()$ raining again in Seattle today!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:08:42 -0400 From: tom simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Wayne South wrote: > > I can not agree more, I go to the Kawasaki dealer in Louisville, KY and wait > 30 minutes to > get waited on by a surly parts guy who acts like it is a pain to even look > up parts. Then > he tells me they have to order it, then you can always count on it taking at > LEAST TWO to THREE weeks > for them to get the part and they will never call you to tell you it is in. > You have to keep > checking with them to see if it is in yet(and they act like it is a pain to > check). Personaly, we are blessed with a rather good Kawa dealer here in Columbia, SC. Capitol Kawasaki is a well-run busness manned by old pros with good attitudes. As between me, my father and my nephew we have a good size chunk of busness to throw around, I cant deny the possibility that we get better servce than some, but they are good nonetheless. I can call up Don at the parts counter and tell him to order some multi-hundred dollar part and he will go "sure!", and 3-5 days later I'll pretty much have it every time. Not bad. One weakness is that, if it aint in the Tucker-Rocky or Parts Unlimited catalogs, they realy dont want to bother with hunting down some obscure nick-nack for a KLR. I dont blame them and simply go mail order in these cases. All my tires and my last chain came in from MAW, and I have two tires and a bunch of other stuff pending from them now. MAW is pretty cool with me, overall. You just have to have the right attitude going in to begin with. You want lightning fast? Call Dennis Kirk and bend over. You want to save money? Go MAW. You can't have everything. Don and Co. at Capital Kawa understand that we are relative sophisticates and arent going to bring everything to them, so they dont mind. They get enough of our money anyway. Finaly, the new KTM shop (K.O.R.E.) here in town is run by an ehthusiastic young MX rider and is nice to deal with as well. I'd like to toss him more busness, but he is located all the way across town. Ill keep trying, though. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:18:26 -0700 From: "Ryan J. Orr" Subject: (klr650) Muffler Painting I have a '93 KLR650, and though it only has 6000kms. it is starting to look a little worn. I'd like to spend some time and clean it up a bit and get it looking classy again. I have two main concerns: 1. The muffler is starting to get a bit of rust on the surface where the black paint used to be... I'd like to sand the rust out and repaint the entire thing black. I've done lots of automomtive repair and painting, but I've never had to paint on anything that gets so hot as a muffler. I talked to my local Kawa dealer and his answer was, "I sell the bikes...not paint them"! Before I start calling autobody repair shops about this, I thought I'd consult all the experts on the list. A buddy of mine suggested stove paint - the kind of paint you put on wood stoves. Has anyone else heard of this? 2. The aluminum parts on the bike aren't quite so shiny as they used to be, and I'd like to capture their original lustre. Should I buff them with fine steel wool? or is there a chemical treatment available that will remove the oxidation from the aluminum? If anyone has any hints from past experience on this one it would be much appreciated. Thanx, Ryan '93 KLR650 Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:21:05 -0400 From: tom simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Need help on KLR650 speedo problem Yusseri Yusoff wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I've got a little problem I was wondering if anybody could help. The > speedo on my bike's gone dead. I thought it was the cable and I've > replaced it but that wasn't it, the speedo's still dead. Any pointers as > to what other things to look at? > Not specificaly, sorry. If my speedo or tach ever die, Iam going to look at going the bycycle computer route, or mount a Tiny Tach, a fairly common dirt bike accessory. These have to be a good bit cheaper than going with OEM replacements. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 Columbia, SC, USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:44:35 -0600 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) SKLR ...souther cal to Moab At 01:40 PM 4/11/1998 EDT, Cloudhid wrote: > >Here's a site that even lists Gino. >(Kurt do you want any more traffic?) >Motorcycle Web Directory - >E-Zines >http://www.moto-directory.com/e-zines.htm > >Ron (reading cuz it's rainin' here too) >================================= Yeah, your rain in Southern Cal is our rain tomorrow, so, I've got to go work/play. KLR content: Ron, any luck in hooking up with someone to share the trek to Moab? Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:52:48 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR ...souther cal to Moab In a message dated 4/11/98 10:43:01 AM, ajax@xmission.com wrote: (snip) >KLR content: Ron, any luck in hooking up with someone to share the trek to >Moab? > >Kurt Thanks for keeping it short and sweet. It's good to see that you respect *our* bandwidth. No luck in finding someone willing to ride with me yet. Must be something I said?? Ron (the lone wolf) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:02:27 -0700 From: ian swanson Subject: Re: (klr650) Filters & such Michael Magnatta wrote: > > Ted: > > I remember from a post a week or so ago someone mentioning the > Fram filter. > Fram knows enough to include the o-ring with filtercompany/dealer that designed and marketed the product can't? > > Mike Magnatta > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Barthell > To: Ted Palmer > Cc: KLR650 mailing list > Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE > > Ted Palmer wrote: > > > Huh? Where does this O-ring go? Is this just a 650 thing? > > Is it that much a special size that any competent bearing/seal > supplier > > couldn't sell you hundreds if you showed them one? > > For future reference...The O-ring is included with the FRAM oil filter > > -- > Jim Barthell - TX > > '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 > FSSNOC #2421 FWIW My local parts store doesn't stock Fram but they changed up the number to Wix #24951 which includes 2 o-rings (I guess maybe 1 each for 2 different applications?) I have never worried too much about changing the o-ring up to this point (4 or 5 changes so far) since the kawi filter didn't have one, and no leaks to speak of. Will change it now cuz the Wix units have it. Also, off subject but I have installed the Russell front brake hose and don't see any problems with scratching/sawing of parts that others spoke of. Just used the stock hose mounts, making up for the smaller diameter by cutting up some cheap & fast bushings using a chunk of black fuel hose,and 1 protector piece where the hose gets zip tied to the fork under the speedo. Sure agree that this hose makes a world of difference. anyway Cheers to the list for all the great info. like have a library for the KLR at our fingertips! Ian Swanson '97 KLR-(Maxxis c6006c(rear) going on today?,progressive springs,Dyno-jet kit,K&N flitter, Dual-Star stand -all on order) Wish list getting bigger by the day! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:23:04 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: Re (klr650) NKLR...sorry she's leaving In a message dated 4/11/98 12:07:26 PM, jfountain@webtv.net wrote: >ron, sorry to hear your wife >is leaving you. does this mean >we get to see those riding >position pixs now? jeff Thanks for your concern and support Jeff. Suppose I hafta make good on the promise to send ya'll the goods. We tend to be very private people, but one afternoon we came out of the shadows and Joan consented to a photo shoot to demonstrate our favorite riding positions. Here ya go. Joan's preferred position http://www.streetbike.com/S.B.%20pages/S.B.%20regular% 20pages/Centerfold.shadow.html Ron (who may now grasp the true meaning of riding solo) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:41:27 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: Re (klr650) NKLR...sorry she's leaving..again Joan's preferred position http://www.streetbike.com/S.B.%20pages/S.B.%20regular%20pages/Centerfold.shado w.html OOPS. She's back. Disregard photo please. Ron )mea culpa( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:11:58 -0600 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Muffler Painting >The aluminum parts on the bike aren't quite so shiny as they used >to be, and I'd like to capture their original lustre. Should I buff them >with fine steel wool? or is there a chemical treatment available that >will remove the oxidation from the aluminum? If anyone has any hints >from past experience on this one it would be much appreciated. Ryank, try this excellent piece on aluminum restoration: http://www.voicenet.com/~stauffer/sohc4/tech/tech008.html Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:45:04 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Mail order followup Plus if Fred screws you you can trash him on this list! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:46:41 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Adjustment Kawasaki makes a special tool which is supposed to hold down the buckets for you, I have not tried it. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:51:52 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) First impressions... Kurt, "Bike starts much much better especially when cold. Comes off choke in 1/2 a minute." If your hot starting is satisfactory, it sound like you are right on. If hot starting is difficult or if the engine is flooded occasionally, try leaning out the low speed screw about a 1/4. The choke is o.k. Getting it off quickly is not necessarily a good thing. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:53:40 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Fred, "You are giving me a big head." Sounds like your girlfriend is glad you are on this list as well! HA HA HA Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:55:27 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) My previous questions and a new one Jan, If your jetting is stock, because of the inherent lean jetting from the factory I wouldn't do anything. If you jetting has been changed, reply with jet and needle data. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:59:06 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR-DEALER/WAREHOUSE DEBATE Wayne, "I wait 30 minutes to get waited on by a surly parts guy who acts like it is a pain to even look up parts. Then he tells me they have to order it, then you can always count on it taking at LEAST TWO to THREE weeks for them to get the part and they will never call you to tell you it is in. You have to keep checking with them to see if it is in yet(and they act like it is a pain to check)." I got this same treatment and told the dealer to go F himself, and that was the same dealer I cut the 5061$ check to for my new A11. What ever happened to Customer Service. I guess we all need to move to Fred's neighborhood. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:00:10 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Tires Can I put in a huge vote for Dunlop Trailmax's, I'm in love. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:01:22 -0400 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) new owner questions Jim, Can I drop my wife at your parents also? Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:24:09 -0400 From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Adjustment > So, has anyone ever done this, made a valve depressor so shims can be > removed without disturbing the cams? Bet you could make money selling > such a device, if it worked. I like the idea. Don't know how much I'd pay for it though. Most of the work is getting to the valves. Taking out the cams is only another 10 minutes. Over the life of the bike that's about a 1 hour saving. Maybe $20? ( The IRS thinks my time is free! :-/ ) - -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:44:05 -0400 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Bike Tie Down >1. Not specifically KLR related. I have never trailered a bike >before. When tying down the bike, how far should the forks be >compressed. Is all the way (bottomed out) OK or should one leave a bit >of spring in play? I have hauled street and dirt bike a lot. I always compress the forks to the max. I haven't lost a bike or blown a seal yet. One good tip: Hook the tie down on from the over the top of the handlebar (or whatever you hook to). If something does cause the tie down to get slack in it, the hook will not fall off the bike. Pat 97klr650 6,100 miles PHX, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:49:21 -0400 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Valve Adjust > -Tom >'96 KLR 650 >first valve adjust at 22,000 mi. How far out of spec were they? Pat 6,100 miles PHX, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:58:44 -0400 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Fred the Parts Guy >>>>> Ron: I gotta second those sentiments; I just got off the phone with Fred after placing an order, and I really got the impression that he's a stand-up type of guy. Mike Magnatta <<<<< I just got me first box of 'stuff' from Fred. I supported him because a) my dealers location and lack of customer support and b) he spends a lot of time writing detailed helpful info to the list. I think he charged me a little of $5 shipping. All in all, I couldn't have been happier with the whole process. He is a fun guy to talk with to boot. I got several items. One thing I got was the magnetic drain plug. It does not seem very 'magnet like'. Pat 97 klr650 w/ 6,100 miles PHX, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:22:19 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bike Tie Down Hey Group! I'm in the development process of making some fork savers. A device that will set on top of your front tire so you can compress the tire and not your springs. I will have some made by the middle of this week that are made specially for the KLR 650 and others too. They'll sell for $14.95 about $5 cheaper than Acerbis flimsy little plastic goody. If anyone is interested in one let me know. I'll also have some at the rally. Fred Hink moabmc@lasal.net Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html - -----Original Message----- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 7:46 AM Subject: (klr650) Bike Tie Down > >1. Not specifically KLR related. I have never trailered a bike > >before. When tying down the bike, how far should the forks be > >compressed. Is all the way (bottomed out) OK or should one leave a bit > >of spring in play? > > I have hauled street and dirt bike a lot. I always compress the forks > to the max. I haven't lost a bike or blown a seal yet. > > One good tip: Hook the tie down on from the over the top of the > handlebar (or whatever you hook to). If something does cause the tie > down to get slack in it, the hook will not fall off the bike. > > Pat > 97klr650 > 6,100 miles > PHX, AZ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:24:25 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Easter Coloring Corrosion In a message dated 4/11/98 10:11:53 PM, ajax@xmission.com wrote: >>The aluminum parts on the bike aren't quite so shiny as they used >>to be, and I'd like to capture their original lustre. Should I buff them >>with fine steel wool? or is there a chemical treatment available that >>will remove the oxidation from the aluminum? If anyone has any hints >>from past experience on this one it would be much appreciated. >Ryank, try this excellent piece on aluminum restoration: >http://www.voicenet.com/~stauffer/sohc4/tech/tech008.html >Kurt Happy Easter fellow Listers. Got ready to ride to sunrise service and found my Grandson had attached a very soft boiled egg to the inside of my helmet. Did one of you put him up to this?? Lloyd's article is right on. Aluminum oxidation is a big time problem on old planes that weren't adequately prepared. Most of the newer ones roll through the assembly line with a greenish corrosion treatment that helps, but must still be monitored. While coloring eggs yesterday it reminded me of a site that tells you how to anodize aluminum with Rit dye. I'm thinking about using a bluish green to match the body work. (I know black is already taken:-) Whadda ya think? How to Anodize http://sites.gulf.net/riders/anodize.htm Ron (who is lucky that his Grandson and Jeff have great senses of humor) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:40:31 -0400 From: Crystal & Fred Olsen Subject: (klr650) NKLR test (sorry, mail problems) test ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:46:06 EDT From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) SKLR Rear Sores Iron Butt Mile Eaters http://www.ironbutt.com/ssbbfin.htm Bun Burner 1500 Finishers (1,500 miles in less than 36 hours): Name Hometown Date Motorcycle Mileage Peter M. Dean Minnetonka, MN 08/08/97 Kawasaki KLR 650 1,603 Saddlesore 1000 Finishers (1,000 miles in less than 24 Hours): Peter M. Dean Minnetonka, MN 04/13/97 Kawasaki KLR650 1,074 Jim Barthell Flower Mound, TX 10/07/95 Kawasaki KLR650 1,010 ********** Congrats Jim and Peter. Have you or Peter been released from the hospital yet? I've forgotten if you said, butt I must know what saddle you're using. Ron (still whimpering about riding to Moab) ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #52 ***************************