From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #128 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Sunday, July 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 128 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:22:20 -0700 From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cheap tire recommendations/archives >3. Here's the one I really need advice on. I know you hear it weekly on >this list about which tires are best. I want to know what can I get that's >reasonable but CHEAP. On someone's web page they said a good 50-50 tire was >the IRC GP-1. I called MAW and they say they don't make a tire for this >bike. Anybody know if that's true? Otherwise, what can I get in the more >modest price range? > Hey Dean, MAW doesn't know what they are talking about. You want the IRC GP-1 3.00-21 on the front, and the IRC GP-1 5.10-17 on the back. You can have SCC order these and mount and spin balance them for just a little more than you'd pay for the tire at MAW, plus they will back their work, In case something happens to the tire. Make sure you just bring in the wheels, or they will charge more, and if you sweet talk them, they usually knock $$ off the price. Anyway, these are the tires I'm running, and I'm happy with. You could also check out the Maxxis Dual Sport tire. These are also cheap, are a 50/50, and are supposed to be made with a harder rubber compound so they last longer. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:53:04 -0700 From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension settings >The KLR IS NOT A DIRT BIKE! Its a hand full off road. It is good on >fireroads etc, but if your looking for single track trail action get a >different bike. It makes no sense to set up a street bike for off-road use, >too heavy! > >MudDog >KTM RXC 620 >Still-Broken-In-The Garage-From-The-Trailride 93 KLR650 Funny, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a big fat duck. KLR, looks like a dirt bike, set up like a dirt bike, sounds like a dirt bike, but not a big fat dirt bike? I think that it depends on your level of experience and riding ability and your physical size and strength. At 6'2", 225 lean and mean pounds, I have no problem with my KLR on the same type of trails that I used to ride on my RM 125, YZ 250, or CR 480 (oldie but a goodie). But like my Isuzu Rodeo compared to my old Jeep CJ, I can go almost everywhere the CJ went (Mind the scratches in the paint!), but I can't get there as fast. I can still take the whoops on the KLR that I took with my MXers, but not as fast. You just have to adjust your riding to compensate for the extra weight. Interestingly enough, on the track, I was much faster on the 125 and 250 than the 480, but out in the open desert, the 480 was AWESOME! Hey, you want to ride a dirt bike offroad, then buy a dirt bike, then buy a truck to get the bike there...You want to ride to the dirt then go dirt riding, get a KLR. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:55:50 -0700 From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) Kickstands - -----Original Message----- From: WKPII@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 10:06 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Kickstands >Jeff, this method might work well but it does nothing to keep us in good >graces with others who might want to close OHV areas. It only gives them ammo >when they see large ruts dug in the sand, dirt or whatever. I love to go off >road just as much as the next guy but we are in a sensative sport. We must go >out of are way to prove that we respect and care about the land and others who >use it. Hey, if I could I would be rippen through woods, desert, etc with out >a care in the world but unfortunately life doesn't work that way. We have to >do all we can to protect and save the shrinking land that we do have access >to. If we didn't COHVCO or The Blue Ribbon Coalition wouldn't exist. > >Walter > >#### I understand and agree with what you say. However, your approach accepts an inevitability which I think it should not, and intrinsically limits itself to a purely paliative relief of symptoms. I'd say we should deal with the problem, not symptom. The idea that "life doesn't work that way" is not a good justification for giving up on the basic issue, since it's completely within our power to remedy. .....just a thought. ericR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:57:42 -0700 From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) fork oil level > >> Am installing Progressive springs this weekend, but not sure how much fork >> oil to add. The manual states with legs compressed the level should be >> 170mm (approx. 6.9 inches) from top of leg. The article on the web site >> states the oil level should be 2 inches from the top of the leg with full >> compression. Hmmmm, big discrepency here! Would rather ask first than >> blow out fork seals. Thanks in advance. >> Jeff Moorbeck > >Jeff, >The KLR650 supplement to the shop manual says to fill the forks to 190 >+/-2 mm (don't ask me how they came up with such a ridiculous >tolerance) with forks compressed and main spring out. This is what I put >in with my progressive springs, and I've run about 5000 miles without >problems or poor suspension handling. Seems to me that what progressive >states is a bit high, plus it would probably require buying a second quart >of fork oil (I'm to cheap to do that). There was a discussion on this a >while back, but I don't remember the verdict. > >Hope this helps. I went between the Progressive and the Kawa levels, and measured my fork oil level at 6 inches, a nice even number. No problems at all, and still leaves me room to adjust the level for tuning. (although I'm happy with the level where its at.) Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:27:37 -0400 From: "Robert frey" Subject: Re: (klr650) Cheap tire recommendations/archives Cheng Shin makes a good cheap tire, good for 2500 miles on a KLR and will hook up alright on turf and sandy conditions... - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey L. Walker To: Dean Harrison ; KLR650 list Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 1:20 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Cheap tire recommendations/archives >>3. Here's the one I really need advice on. I know you hear it weekly on >>this list about which tires are best. I want to know what can I get that's >>reasonable but CHEAP. On someone's web page they said a good 50-50 tire was >>the IRC GP-1. I called MAW and they say they don't make a tire for this >>bike. Anybody know if that's true? Otherwise, what can I get in the more >>modest price range? >> >Hey Dean, MAW doesn't know what they are talking about. You want the IRC >GP-1 3.00-21 on the front, and the IRC GP-1 5.10-17 on the back. You can >have SCC order these and mount and spin balance them for just a little more >than you'd pay for the tire at MAW, plus they will back their work, In case >something happens to the tire. Make sure you just bring in the wheels, or >they will charge more, and if you sweet talk them, they usually knock $$ off >the price. Anyway, these are the tires I'm running, and I'm happy with. >You could also check out the Maxxis Dual Sport tire. These are also cheap, >are a 50/50, and are supposed to be made with a harder rubber compound so >they last longer. > >Jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:28:52 -0000 From: "Mr. Mendez" Subject: Re:(klr650) Suspension settings On 7/12 Jeff wrote: > Hey, you want to ride a dirt bike offroad, then buy a dirt >bike, then buy a truck to get the bike there...You want to ride to the dirt >then go dirt riding, get a KLR. > >Jeff Spoken like the spirit of the KLR I fI'm mistaken, then I ask; What's the whole idea of a DS??? (KLR650 being the most 50/50% according to all info I've come aroun so far) "Everyone-is-entitled-to-an-opinion-Mendez" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:34:12 -0000 From: "Mr. Mendez" Subject: Re:(klr650) Kickstands , keep in mind..... It's a kickstand issue not a kickeachother issue By the way, looove the Sunday-vocabulary being used J.Mendez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:28:51 -0400 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) Question on Center Stand Reid, I have submitted your question to the KLR650 LIST for a possible answer. If you are not aware of the KLR650 LIST you can find out information about signing on at: http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page60.html Check it out! Bill Name: Reid Douglas E-mail address: grisaigle@aol.com Homepage URL: Comments: Question after installation of Dual-Star centerstand on 96 KLR650/lowered w/Quality R+D links, and forks adjusted. 1) Technique for deploying stand w/o help of gorilla....what is the trick? RD Date: Sat Jul 11 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:50:27 -0700 From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Kickstands >Jeff, this method might work well but it does nothing to keep us in good >graces with others who might want to close OHV areas. It only gives them ammo >when they see large ruts dug in the sand, dirt or whatever. I love to go off >road just as much as the next guy but we are in a sensative sport. We must go >out of are way to prove that we respect and care about the land and others who >use it. Hey, if I could I would be rippen through woods, desert, etc with out >a care in the world but unfortunately life doesn't work that way. We have to >do all we can to protect and save the shrinking land that we do have access >to. If we didn't COHVCO or The Blue Ribbon Coalition wouldn't exist. > Hey, I didn't say not to fill the hole in when you're done with it, I guess I assumed that most people would. Actually, the hole can perform a double duty. Whey you're done parking your bike in it, you can use it as a cat hole to relieve your bodily functions in. (when there isn't a convenient Port'o let nearby). Hey, I'm the last guy you want to argue green issues over, because you'll get no argument from me, mostly. Except where they closed my favorite trail to mountain bikes, on the premise that they cause erosion, while continuing to allow horses on the trail. Everybody knows that horses cause just as much, if not more erosion, and fecal problems too. Jeff ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #128 ****************************