From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #159 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 159 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:39:26 -0700 From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive spring part number First, thank you all for the input on the proper spring number. Now, I've got two points/questions with regards to the stuff below. 1. I only have a few hundred miles on this bike and switched to the EBC black pads from stock. I was hoping it was my imagination and I didn't think it was possible, but this thing seems to stop worse than before. This bike will teach you how to use the rear brake, whether you like it or not. I got the SS brake line and am going to install it tonight with the Progressive springs, but if this thing doesn't stop much, much better than before- I'm reinstalling the stock pads and mounting a St. Christopher statue. 2. I went to buy replacement fork oil for the spring change. Stock was 10W20. Golden Spectro only makes 20W20 and since I'm a fat guy, that sounded good to me. But then the question arose- what the hell is 20W20? Is that the same as straight 20 weight fork oil? I don't get it (it's cold-it acts like 20 wt, it's hot-it acts like 20 wt??). Thanks, Dean in Seattle - ---------- > From: Dale Borgeson > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive spring part number > Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 5:12 AM > > > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:27:08 -0700 > > From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" > > > > for the bike. Personally, I played it safe and set mine at 6.5 inches, > > halfway between the Progressive figure and the factory figure. No > > complaints, but I think that I might change to a heavier viscosity oil soon, > > due to my weight. > > FWIW I installed the stock oil level (7.5"?) with the progressive springs. > I also used 15W oil. I was concerned that it might be too heavy but its > preformed very well. It's a whole new bike. > > I just installed some EBC pads on the front as the stock pads were gone. > It doesn't seem to stop as well as before but I can't be sure as I changed > the springs and oil at the same time (I know, one thing at a time). Anyone > else tried EBC? > > Cheers > -- > Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:40:43 -0700 From: "Dean Harrison" Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive spring part number Good, there is hope yet. - ---------- > From: Jeffrey L. Walker > To: Dale Borgeson ; klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive spring part number > Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:43 AM > > > >I just installed some EBC pads on the front as the stock pads were gone. > >It doesn't seem to stop as well as before but I can't be sure as I changed > >the springs and oil at the same time (I know, one thing at a time). Anyone > >else tried EBC? > > > I have EBC pads and rotors on front and back. Once the pads have set on the > new rotors, they work great. If you are using new pads on the old rotor, > you have to work on setting the new pads to the old rotor. The old rotor > will have grooves (hills and valleys) worn into its surface from the > previous pads. The new pads should set after about 50-100 applications of > the brakes. You should start off applying the brakes easy, and get > progressively harder with each application. If you go out and apply the > brakes too hard right off, you might get a hot spot on the rotor, and the > pads worn set. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:52:16 -0500 From: Chuck McCullough Subject: Re: (klr650) Air Box Drilling vesannlewis@juno.com wrote: > (SNIP) It would not require a new air box to cover the holes. One > could hot glue (or whatever) plastic covers over the holes without the > cost. -Ves A12 Can you spell "duct tape?" It's the "Handyman's Secret Weapon." If one layer doesn't work, use several. Chuck McCullough Northern WI Possum Lodge member ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:23:30 -0500 From: "Bryce Hysjulien" Subject: (klr650) Vista Cruise & Balancer Chain The way the Vista cruise was explained to me was that it was an actual cruise control(vacuum operated). I got this from a Gold Wing rider who said he had read about them. Has anyone heard of this? I adjusted the balancer chain today. The screw was on tight. I don't know if it was adjusted at the 500 mile mark or if it came from Kawasaki this way. My question is should I take the bike to the dealer and see if anything is damaged due to the screw being so tight. The bike now has 3500 on it if that matters. Bryce 98 KLR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:59:41 -0500 From: Chadd Thompson Subject: Re: (klr650) Jets. At 02:35 PM 7/30/98 -0600, Kurt Simpson wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Beasley >To: Chadd Thompson >Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 12:41 PM >Subject: Re: (klr650) Jets. > > >>Is this true?!?!? >Dynajet 136 = .053 > 140 = .056 > 150 = .060 > >Stock Keihin 148 = .056 > >As you can see, Jake's specs are different than Chadd's... > >Kurt A12 > > As I said I used Calibrated pin gauges from our dimensional lab at work. To me it seems that the jets are measured in millimeters and not inches because if you look at the results, all the numbers I measured except for the stock jet matched the jet number in millimeters. For example the #140 was 1.40mm and the #136 was 1.36mm and the #150 was 1.50 mm. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:46:51 -0700 From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) 20 wt fork oil 20W20 - -----Original Message----- From: Dean Harrison To: Dale Borgeson ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 3:41 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive spring part number > >2. I went to buy replacement fork oil for the spring change. Stock was >10W20. Golden Spectro only makes 20W20 and since I'm a fat guy, that >sounded good to me. But then the question arose- what the hell is 20W20? Is >that the same as straight 20 weight fork oil? I don't get it (it's cold-it >acts like 20 wt, it's hot-it acts like 20 wt??). > >Thanks, Dean in Seattle >----------@@@@@@@@@ .....yep, I think you have it correct...it's a 20 wt..... I believe the 'W' after the first 20 means it's designated for Winter use. eric/R >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:57:04 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Apology In a message dated 98-07-30 11:24:05 EDT, ajax@xmission.com writes: << Besides, Gino is the one to blame (;-) >> Yea, yea, yea... That Gino sure knows how to cause trouble. Who let him on this list anyway..... What can I say. My mom tells me she never had gray hair until I was born. Go figure. Gino "Here comes trouble" Pokluda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:09:48 +0000 From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) chain adjust advice sought KLRists, My KLR is need of a chain adjustment. The last chain bike I owned had a centerstand. Do you have the rear wheel off the ground when you adjust? If so, how do you keep the rear airborne? Thanks! Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:05:29 +0000 From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) frame breakage Check the BMW GS list for all the rear subframes that litter Australia due to failure in the back country. BMW is offering a kit to rectify the situation. GS riders may load to the gills, but the bottom line is you're gonna crack if you pack too much. Been there, cracked that. Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:00:55 +0000 From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) KLR v BMW high mileage cost comparison As a current BMW and KLR owner whose past BMW went 180,000 miles I want to offer this perspective to this argument. People have spoken about how BMWs can go 100k+ and how Japanese bikes can't with rare exception. That's BS. The great equalizer is water cooling. I've seen innumerable Gold WIngs with well over 100K. My cousin is in the Concours Owners Group where many members have over 100k. HSTA whose members ST1100s are reported with miles in excess of 100k. The high mileage myth was born out of the fact that BMWs were bought by more affluent clientele, who maintained their purchases. The people who bought Japanese bikes, mainly the kids, beat the hell out of the bikes and did not maintain them properly. Ergo the non durable rep. Now the financial argument. My 98 KLR 650 cost me $4872 OUT THE DOOR. Take your new R1100GS for whatever its price is. Or we can start a few years ago with the R100GS. Now lets ride to 200,000 miles. Save your receipts for EVERYTHING spent on the bikes. Call me goofy, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that 3 KLRs could go as far as 1 R1100GS. In fact, I'd do it with 1 KLR and I'd have a veritableFORTUNE to spend on rebuilds if and when they became necessary. BMWs virtual monopoly on high mileage machines is fading simply because the competition is improving. I still love my BMW, but I know there are other very capable and durable bikes out there. Please flame me directly! ;-)))) Alex Jomarron Oak Park, IL 88 K75S 98 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:18:48 -0600 From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) frame breakage Anyone who load and rode like they do habitually in the back of beyond in Oz, on whatever manner of bike, is gonna break something. Ozland R100 GSers have been doing some gawdawful riding, broke some engines, and BMW came out with a kit many months ago. Myself, I don't care for a design that uses the engine as a stressed frame member. FWIW ;-) The Evil Wizard 98 KLR650 79 XT500 92 BMW R100 Paris Dakar "Ride long and hard and fast, dammit,and take no prisoners." Alex Jomarron wrote: > Check the BMW GS list for all the rear subframes that litter Australia due to failure in the back > country. BMW is offering a kit to rectify the situation. GS riders may load to the gills, but the > bottom line is you're gonna crack if you pack too much. > > Been there, cracked that. > > Alex Jomarron > Oak Park, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:00:09 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klr650) VisaCruz Cruise Control In a message dated 98-07-30 14:41:12 EDT, you write: << Does anyone have an address for the company that makes the VisaCruz cruise control. I'd like to put one on my KLR if it's possible. Does anyone who has a KLR have one of these installed? Bryce 98KLR >> Bryce, I bought one from Fred Hink and installed it last weekend. At first I was going to leave it loose like Jim Barthell did and it seemed like it would work fine that way, though more difficult to engage than if permanently mounted. But I then decided to drill and tap a hole in the throttle housing since I had the tools anyway. I was able to mount it in the exact location that I wanted and now I can engage or disengage it easily with only my thumb. I took it on a two hour ride and came to the quick conclusion that it was the best $22 that I had ever spent. The reason that I bought the Vista Cruise model instead of the NEP that Gino recommends is because Fred Hink, who sells both brands, informed me that the construction of the Vista Cruise appeared to be more durable than the NEP model. I also purchased some PRO GRIP GEL grips (with dimple finish) and am very satisfied with them also. By the way, this was my first order from Fred Hink and will not be my last. Fred had fair pricing and the order arrived the exact day he said it would. Based on my phone conversation with him and his frequent posts to the KLR list he seems very knowledgeable about the KLR 650. Greg '88 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:45:33 -0700 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Universal Vista Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:35:46 -0500 From: "Bryce Hysjulien" Subject: (klr650) VisaCruz Cruise Control Does anyone have an address for the company that makes the VisaCruz cruise control. I'd like to put one on my KLR if it's possible. Does anyone who has a KLR have one of these installed? *********************************************************************** Bryce- Here's the scoop on the Vista cruise control that is on my A12: Mfg# MCUV00-P Sound Off Recreational, Inc. P.O. Box 152, Hudsonville, MI 49426. Also available from Tucker Rocky-Nempco. It fits great on the KLR with no drilling, cutting or otherwise altering the bike or cruise control. Darrel A12 "Avenger" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:23:36 -0600 From: "Joshua Sammons" Subject: (klr650) Front Sprocket Prob. I took the 2 bolts off the front sprocket but it is not wanting to come off!!!??? Any Ideas? Am I missing something. If you have any idea, e-mail immediately! I hate being stuck in the middle of a project. Thanks! Josh '92 KLR650 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:37:29 -0600 From: ericjazz@mindspring.com Subject: (klr650) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:32:14 -0000 Dynojet Stage 1/Stage 2 jet kit. I 'm hoping its just a jet/needle/spring swap. Any drilling of slides or other permanent changes involved? TIA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:04:34 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klr650) Vista Throttle Lock On 7/30/98, bhysjuli@host1.dia.net wrote: snip >Does anyone who has a KLR have one of these installed? Bryce, like Darrel, I installed the Universal Vista Cruise. No drilling is required. The only modification I had to make was to loosen and move my front brake reservoir to the left. This allowed the Acerbis hand guard to fit without filing it. A picture is worth a thousand words.....here's 4,000 of 'em..... http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/vista.jpg vista.jpg CA Ron (who is infamously cruising through life) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:03:14 EDT From: Subject: Fwd: (klr650) KLR Trailer This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_901890194_boundary Content-ID: <0_901890194@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-07-30 10:24:57 EDT, lcope@lanl.gov writes: << I saw a KLR pulling a camping trailer at Arizona Bike Week last February. Hitch brackets were home made, I took some pictures of the rig, don't know if there are any hitch details on the pics. I will check them when I get home tonite. Roy Cope 96KLR >> Please try to post the pictures either here on on the KLRDS web page. I bet if you asked Bill Haycock (Webmaster for the page) he'd agree.. (I think..) MN Ron (..therefore I am.) - --part0_901890194_boundary Content-ID: <0_901890194@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (rly-ya03.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.195]) by air-ya01.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:24:55 2000 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id KAA04837; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1tcF-0003Pw-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:23:35 -0600 Received: from (mailhost.lanl.gov) [128.165.3.12] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1tcD-0003Pr-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:23:33 -0600 Received: from copes.lanl.gov (copes.lanl.gov [128.165.209.83]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0/(cic-5, 5/21/98)) with SMTP id IAA13113 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:23:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199807301423.IAA13113@mailhost.lanl.gov> X-Sender: lcope@nis-pop.lanl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:20:34 -0600 To: klr650@lists.xmission.com From: Roy Cope Subject: Re:(klr650) KLR Trailer Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roy Cope Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >The mechanics at the local Kawasaki shop told me that they had a KLR come >through that was pulling a trailer. The bike had 31,000 on it. I think >they said the owner needed a rear tire but I'm not sure. Was anyone on the >list? If anybody has any ideas on how to mount the hitch let me know. I'm >going to build a small trailer as soon as ND gets buried in snow but haven't >come up with any good ideas about the hitch. Any help would be greatly >appreciated. > >Bryce >98 KLR Bryce I saw a KLR pulling a camping trailer at Arizona Bike Week last February. Hitch brackets were home made, I took some pictures of the rig, don't know if there are any hitch details on the pics. I will check them when I get home tonite. Roy Cope 96KLR - --part0_901890194_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #159 ****************************