From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #233 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Thursday, September 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 233 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:48:33 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Rhoads To: KLR List Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:15 PM Subject: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? >List, > Does anyone know of a reliable, accurate, easy to use tire >pressure gauge? > > I'm tired of using the cheap ones....been using three cheap ones at >the same time and averaging them. > >thanks, >ericR > > > Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type of air guage?? Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:11:44 -0400 From: "Darren Koepp" Subject: RE: (klr650) re: chain lube/chain cleaning "Fling", "doodad", "flail", "gizmo", "goop","giimic", "bejeebers", "phallangeal-ectomy" and lets not forget "dash" I love our technical words for what we do to our bikes :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 12:49:19 PDT From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) Chili . . . >From: bruixot@rmi.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) speaking of tires, and Patagonia > >How many dual-sporters would entertain a trip to Chilean Patagonia >in Dec 1999? I'm interested and eager to make such a trip before I get too old, however old that may be. Please send the jpeg to marick@leland.stanford.edu (not the email account I'm responding from, which can't handle them). Marick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:51:15 -0600 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: (klr650) To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Not tagging on per Kurt's instructions. Fred Hink: Like Dr. Science you do know more than I do however, I've come across some inaccurate dial gauges. The Syracuse pencil gauge that Dual Star sells is primo in my experience. Also, if you turn out the mixture screw like you advised will gas mileage change or does that only effect idle? Bogdan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:21:34 -0400 From: "David Sim" Subject: Re: (klr650) Throttle Grease was Balancer Chain Adjustment > From: Triphenia@aol.com > >You may also want to > lube the handlebar under the throttle twist grip with a little moly grease, > not the heavy lithium stuff from a grease gun. Bicycle bearing grease (Phil > Wood) is good too, and less messy. > DO NOT grease the throttle twist grip! The plastic tube is meant to slip on the handle bars with no additional lubricant required. Adding any type of grease is unneccesary and possibly dangerous should there be any resistance in the grease. I have an old issue of Dirt Bike mag which lists the 10 most common myths/boners of dirt bike maintenance. This one was up near #1. Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario '97 KLR650 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:14:34 -0400 From: "David Sim" Subject: (klr650) High Mileage With the recent thread of premature top end failures I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR out there? How many miles can they go? Dave Sim Kitchener, Ontario '97 KLR650 (3550 km) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:45:06 PDT From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: Re: (klr650) speaking of tires, and Patagonia >What are your experiences and recommendations for very durable tire inner >tubes for KLR650 in moderately nasty off-pavement (Colorado 4WD road/granite >track) conditions, partic when used with Gripsters? Dr Robert (that's the name of a good Beatles song by the way; check it out on their "Revolver" album...), My belief is that 8 oz of "Slime" tire sealant in each tire will do more for your cause than any particular type of tube. I've gotten into some pretty rugged stuff down here in Panama and at times I've felt that it's been the difference between gunning the throttle and bustin' beads. The trip sounds great by the way, but it'll probably have to wait until I have a little more girth and a little less hair (I'm 31 by the way). Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:33:59 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 Yep, next year's get-together is June 3-6, two full days with an arrive and departure date thrown in there. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:03:40 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. Darren Koepp wrote: [what chain lube?] I've used Chain Wax, but found it a bit too stiff in cool weather. Over winter/spring/autumn, I use my trusty old can of Bel Ray chain lube. Chain Wax does work nice in summer for me, though. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:52:10 +0100 From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #229 > >Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:38:34 -0400 >From: djbouley@juno.com >Subject: (klr650) whaddayathink?? > >I looked at an 89 KLR at a local dealer recently... They wanted $2850 for >it... >I'm inclined to walk away from this one. Would love to hear the opinions >of others that know more than I. >Thanks, >Doug Bouley I am headed upcountry to buy a 96 KLR 650 holdover that has 800 miles on it and full warantee until June 99. They ae asking 2790 for it. This is a bike they took in on trade on a Ducati and they can't sell. They have been doppping the price by a couple of hundred bucks every month or so. GRINNNNNN. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:10:57 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) F650 Eric Rhoads wrote: [...] > So it has two carbs? ...really......what's that for? So if one > carb falls off you can still drive it? Twin carbs aren't so bad in most "normal" conditions. It's a better way of handling the pulsey flow of a big single. I assume that the Beemer carbies are "progressive" ie only one carby operates at low speed. A small carby meters better at low speed that a big carby. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:16:54 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: NKLR Re: (klr650) F650 -- Aprilia Pegaso 650 is better Yusseri Yusoff wrote: [...] > Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe as well) you can opt for the > Aprilia Pegaso rather than the F650. It uses the same Rotax lump but with > 5 valves. It looks better than the F650 as well (but that's just a > personal opinion). It's had a major facelift since last year and looks I've read a few tests on the Pegaso (mainly in "Fast Bikes") and it seems like a nice ride. Those Rotax's are pretty common over there, so I guess there are a lot of tuning parts around. A five valve head with some decent ports has some appeal to me. Too bad we don't them over here in Oz, our market is too small. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:27:48 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) High Mileage David Sim wrote: > > With the recent thread of premature top end failures > I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR > out there? How many miles can they go? I'm sure there's bikes out there with more than the 80,000km my bike has on it. Mine's had quite a bit of thrashing on the road (and track :-) and the top end is quite sound. However, the bore/rings/piston are pretty sad. But it still starts and runs (once I fixed the starter clutch, not enough compression left to kick start anymore). I've seem a KLR600 with 100,000km on it, that had gentler use than I've given mine. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:55:27 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) tire pressure gauge? Fred Hink wrote: [...] > Pencil type guages are not accurate. Find a dial type. If you can't find > one I know someone who has some for sale. Has anyone tried the digital type > of air guage?? I use a Shraeder(sp?) digital on my bikes, it seems to work ok. It has the benefit of having both straight and 90deg extensions. The 90 deg extension is the only one that works well with the old Honda "Comstar" wheels on my 750, especially on the 16" front. The Shraeder was a bit pricey, but it claims to comply with some standards for accuracy. For the boring old car, I picked up a cheaper digi gauge from an Oz "Dick Smith" shop (an aussie version of Tandy or Radio Shack). Mister_T - -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:36:37 EDT From: NILSTIAR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) what's a top end failure? Howdy, I have now heard several references to the "top end". As in after 4.2 x 10 to the 15th mile, I had to have the top end redone? What parts of the bike are you referring to? Steve (who can consistently maintain his own top end via Viagra) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:00:54 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) what's a top end failure? - -----Original Message----- From: NILSTIAR@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:41 PM Subject: (klr650) what's a top end failure? >Howdy, > I have now heard several references to the "top end". As in after 4.2 x >10 to the 15th mile, I had to have the top end redone? What parts of the bike >are you referring to? The top end is everything in the engine above the crankshaft and more specifically the head, cams, valves and valve guides. Fred Hink Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:51:42 -0600 From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) what's a real number? NILSTIAR@aol.com wrote: > As in after 4.2 x 10 to the 15th mile You really mean 4.2 x 10 to the 3d, do you not? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:57 -0600 From: bruixot@rmi.net Subject: Re: (klr650) Belstaffs; Jesse aluminum bags Feedback, please, on two dual-sport/KLR-related products: 1. Who has had firsthard experience with the newer cordura jackets in the Belstaff Protoura line? results? value? ventilation? performance? pockets OK? that sort of thing? 2. Who has had reliable experience/rumour/et al about the Jesse brand aluminum panniers? Value? durability? theft-removal resistance? stopping small-calibre bullets? that sort of thing. TIA Dr Robert "There is no point in being alive unless you can live at the height of your hysteria at all times." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:11:06 -0500 From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) Givi stuff To mount Givi bags, does Givi make the mounts, or Fivestar? if both, which is best? Thanks Jim - ----------------------------------------------- > jsprecker@uswest.net < - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:27:45 +0800 From: Linus Subject: (klr650) 77,000 mi A friend of mine has a KLR `89 with 124,000kms(77,000 mi)-the meter reads 24,000 kms now and still running. Linus KLR90 At 03:14 PM 10-09-98 -0400, you wrote: >With the recent thread of premature top end failures >I'm wondering who has the highest mileage KLR >out there? How many miles can they go? > >Dave Sim >Kitchener, Ontario >'97 KLR650 (3550 km) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:11:45 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) UTAH RALLY 99 In a message dated 98-09-08 16:54:07 EDT, norton@bgnet.bgsu.edu writes: << Boy, that's quite a change from this year (April 24-26), Fred. I was hoping to make the '99 Moab event, but, unfortunately, I'm going to be in Lake Placid, NY, on the June 4-6 weekend >> We changed the date for two reasons. One was to allow the weather to stabalize and get some of the snow out of the mountains for dual sport riding up there. The other was to take advantage of a slow tourist time so Moab won't be so crowded. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:10:06 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Red River Rally! In a message dated 98-09-08 16:10:29 EDT, tresritos@hotmail.com writes: << I just got back for Red River for the 1998 FSSNCC Rally. I could not be there for the festivities on tues. & weds. due to classes in college, so I just went for sun. & mon. >> Josh and all. I just got back from the Thumper Rally in red River also. Got there Monday and left this morning. Great, great rally. Well organized and lots of great singles, about 140 total. Since the beginning of the rallies, the Yamaha SR500 has always been the top bike there, this year the KLR650 took most popular bike with 16 of those puppies showing up! Dual Sports made up 49% of all of the bikes there with a smattering of DR's, KLX's, Honda's and 2 KTM Adventures. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:30:05 EDT From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Chain Lube. << Who uses what, if anything (Fred ;), for their chain and how do you/they apply it? Anything has to be better than what I am using/doing. >> I was using Chainwax but bought a can of PJ1 "won't fling off" chain lube for o-ring chains and like it a little better. It goes on thinner and appears to penetrate down deeper into the chain than the Chainwax did. After it sets up, it is just like the Chainwax as far as consistency. To apply it, I built the wooden side stands mentioned on the KLR web page and use those to lift the rear wheel off the ground, and then simply spray the lube on the chain using the thin platic straw that came with the can while I rotate the tire. Greg, A2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:55:21 -0400 From: "J. Taylor" Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Hein Gericke Jacket I found a local dealer w/ the Hein Gericke Boost Jacket and Pants for a decent price and wanted to see if anyone has an explicit reason for avoiding this product. Any experience would be gratly appreciated; you can post to me directly in the interest of saving list space. Jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:42:05 EDT From: AGSholar@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Partial mirror vibration solution and topcase I bought two rubber isolated mirror mounts from J.C.Whitney for $4 each and they do reduce the vibration of the mirrors considerably. The high frequency vibration is gone and now only a low frequency vibration exists. It is so low that you can make out what the objects are in the mirrors. I would recommend them, especially for the price. At the same time, I also bought from them a DEVO hard topcase. It is flat black, large (but not too large), easy to install, light weight (4 or 5 lbs), lockable, watertight, and removable in one second by pusing a button when the key is in the unlock position. I can fit my XL helmet, raingear, tools, spare clutch cable, gloves, etc. in it all at once. It has the same type of styling as the GIVI but does not look quite as good. But it only cost $80. I lucked out on both purchases since I had never seen either one in person but I would highly recommend both to anyone in the market for these type of items. You could always return it if you were not satisfied, minus shipping costs of course. Greg, A2 ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #233 ****************************