From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #260 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, September 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 260 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:25:54 -0500 From: "rg" Subject: Re: (klr650) Who waves Been grinning and waving at them all for years. This last year I've noticed an ever increasing number of Harley riders waving back. When they don't wave back I grin more and wave more. Do you think I finally shamed those Harley riders into waving back or is just the new Harley demographics? Grinning and waving is a lot more fun than striking a snarley pose and glaring! Going after the crotch-rocket guys next, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:20:24 -0700 From: "Ray & Heidi West" Subject: (klr650) Heat Shield Loose Well, my first repair on my new '98 KLR650 ( now 1300 miles ) needed the screws tightened on the muffler heat shield. One fell out, and one was loose. So far it's been a fun commute bike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:57:01 -0600 From: "Josh Sammons" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR: MuZ Bikes - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Rhoads [mailto:eroads@europa.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:05 PM To: Josh Sammons Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: MuZ Bikes I'm about 6'7" tall. As far as the Mastiff goes, if I'm going to spend $7200 I will go with a KTM Adventure. The Mastiff is Blue if you are still wondering. I checked another web site. I have no prob doing 5 hours it's just a long haul for any warranty work. Can you think of anything else in that price range worth looking at? I might take another look at the F650. It's just I'm not into that whole beamer scene. Of course I could just put some really cool stuff on my KLR and have a really bitch'n trip to Alaska. Decisions, decisions. Ditto about the reality and mail-order brides thing. I will just have to keep looking for a woman and a bike. Josh '92KLR650 >+_++++++++ hey Josh, man, you must be tall....I'm 5'7" and the KLR is tall for me....I feel the same about the tank size of the MuZ.....I like being able to go over curbs and stuff, so the height (KLR) is ok with me ( I did put on the lowering links) and I think the height helps being seen ....and it's cool to know you are riding something that's rare (either bike)....MuZ power increase is all to the good. As far as the Mastiff.....maybe it's my monitor, but it looks distinctly lavender to me...I guess maybe it's a bluish lavender....might be more blue in person.....I have to say, since last night, I decided I like the looks better, yes, the front end is really kinda cool looking....I dunno why they want a whole grand more for it. That does make it definitely expensive. If I were serious about either bike I'd have no problemo doing the 5 hours for a personal inspection....after all how many hours would I have to put in on the job to pay for either one? 5 extra is ok....or 10 round trip? whew! ...still worth it. It's a matter of not spending my time drooling from a distance....reality can really hit home when you're right there. Same with mail-order brides :) ......good luck with your search...may the best bike win....(MuZ or other) regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:21:44 EDT From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? Alex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:58:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Alex Yefimov wrote: > With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder > what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone > mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a > DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? > > > Alex The DR doesn't have the KLR's liquid cooling which is a plus for long distance cruising and real slow going. The KLR also has a bigger gas tank and a more comfortable wider seat (in my opinion). Other wise I would imagine that they make similar HP figures because of the similarengine size. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:43:45 -0400 From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE roger kriegel wrote: > i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 > engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced > this. Roger, I use Mobil 1 (15W-50) in the crankcase, 93 octane fuel in the tank, and a 16T countershaft sprocket and regularly get 60-61mpg. Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 17k miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:22:59 -0400 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Dave, I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. Once I heard some very observant lister mention this, I was able to confirm it with my own experience. I true wobble would get into violent oscillations(sp?), where the problem we face is a gentle controlled disturbance. I think before we get too worried about the shake, let's find someone with a low mount fender who STILL has the problem. This would DISPROVE this theory, but I don't think we will find a person who has the problem after ditching the fender. Back to riding Todd A11 11,500 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:46:19 -0400 From: "Robert frey" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes The DR650 is MUCH MORE dirt oriented than the KLR. It also has good road characteristics. R - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Yefimov To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 12:22 AM Subject: (klr650) NKLR:Other DP Bikes >With the recent comments on the MuZ and F650 bikes, I began to wonder >what the functional difference is between a KLR650 and a DR650. Someone >mentioned that he did not like the fairing on the KLR. Seems to me that a >DR is a fairingless KLR. Comments? > > >Alex > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:42:26 -0700 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE At 06:43 AM 9/23/98 -0400, Bill Wright wrote: >roger kriegel wrote: > >> i read something on web about the klr 650 getting up to 63mpg using d-200 >> engine treatment and d-500 fuel conditioner...has anyone else experienced >> this. > >Roger, > >I use Mobil 1 (15W-50) in the crankcase, 93 octane fuel in the tank, and a >16T countershaft sprocket and regularly get 60-61mpg. I use the same fuel and oil, but stock gearing. I've enver been able to beat 51 MPG, and it usualy runs more like 49 mpg. At highway speeds with a load, mileage can fall off to under 45 mpg. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,800 mi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:37:53 -0400 From: Bill Wright Subject: Re: (klr650) GAS MILEAGE Tom Simpson wrote: > I use the same fuel and oil, but stock gearing. I've enver been able to beat > 51 MPG, and it usualy runs more like 49 mpg. At highway speeds with a load, > mileage > can fall off to under 45 mpg. > Tom, I may ride slower than you and that may effect my mileage. However, before I changed sprockets I was getting high 50s riding 1 up. With my wife and I both riding 60-65 mph we get about 52-55mpg. I still have the stock carb setup. (no jet replacement or idle adjustment). I can't explain it. The mileage did jump 2-3 mpg after the addition of the new sprockets and Tsubaki chain. Went from 15T to 16T in front and steel to aluminum on the rear sprocket. Am also running Gripsters front and back if that has anything to do with it. My worst mileage was a tank I ran out at 80+ mph where I got 48mpg. Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 17k miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:15:19 EDT From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_906556520_boundary Content-ID: <0_906556520@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/22/98 6:37:19 PM EST, davew@kvi.net writes: << It seems to me we have been here before and the answer was a low mount front fender. Can anyone confirm this? Dave W. >> Negative Dave. My '93 doesn't wobble any more now that I got the tires up to spec for air pressure. I have a lowered bike, and the front is an extra 1/2" lower, but the fender is stock. Funny thing is my KLR is also a '93 and I have had very few problems. The only real problem was the mechanical seal in the water pump giving up the ghost. It didn't stop me on the road, and was easy enough to repair. Maybe the '93's and earlier were the good ones? (I think that they were the best looking :-).) MN Ron - --part0_906556520_boundary Content-ID: <0_906556520@inet_out.mail.kvi.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya02.mx.aol.com (v50.5) with SMTP; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:37:19 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA26787; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zLbyX-0007l2-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:36:05 -0600 Received: from [209.172.28.10] (helo=kvi01.kvi.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zLbyU-0007kX-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:36:03 -0600 Received: from kvi.net (gr-pr01-08.kvi.net [209.172.28.40]) by kvi01.kvi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03865; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:38:10 -0400 Message-ID: <36083454.E7A43ED2@kvi.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:35:48 -0400 From: Dave Wormmeester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Rex Hefferan CC: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging References: <19980922231448.17372.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dave Wormmeester Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rex Hefferan wrote: > Say Listers, maybe we can solve this speed wobble thing by each of > us listing the several possible things that could contribute to a > wobble. Just cut and paste the items between the dashed lines and fill > in your bikes info. Please add any other data that I may have omitted > and you think may have an influence. Then we can see if there are > common factors: It seems to me we have been here before and the answer was a low mount front fender. Can anyone confirm this? Dave W. - --part0_906556520_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:15:42 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Todd Emsley Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 7:04 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging >> I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the >>theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge >>of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders >>length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. > > I agree with you on this Todd...much more pronounced...Here is a couple of>instructive archive posts from the archives. In the first, the solution is to put on a low desert fender. In the second, it is to have your ladyfriend sit on the tank facing backwards (a Hall of Fame post from Redondo)...According to Ron, this second method also helps with the "felt" vibrations Kurt (the librarian) __________________________________- >> >>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:19:51 -0800 >From: bosozoku@olywa.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) stock front tire > >>I've been riding my 95 klr a short distance on the freeway to get to my >>favorite dirt roads. Steering head bearings, spokes, tire pressures, swing >>arm etc. all checked adjusted and fine, but the bike has a funny lightweight >>feel to the front end at 75 mph and up. Not a wobble or headshake, just a >>light dancy feel like there's no weight on the front end. Almost not worth >>complaining about, just wierd. I've had 40+ bikes, never felt anything like >>this. anyone else noticed this with the stock tires? I'll switch and see if >>it gets better. Bob, '95 KLR > > >Okay Bob, I have a test for you. Take off your front fender and hit the >highway for a mile or so. (nothing big so you don't get a ticket) I will >bet money that your lift is pretty much gone. The KLR doesn't use a pass >through front fender so the air has no real place to go. That fender makes >a good air dam. When you add weight to the rear it increases the problem by >changing the angle of the front end and allowing more air under the fender. >If you drop the front end it sends more air over the top rather than >underneath so that is an alternative to what I did to fix it. I have an >after market desert race fender (looks almost like a street fender but will >clear the knobbies) and have had no problems since the change over. > >- - Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >---------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:23 EST >From: Cloudhid >Subject: (klr650) Re: jet kits etc....! > >>what about >>rain, or those guys in california that ride >>chicks on the back(and front if they are >>real lucky) through the surf along the >>beaches?? >>jeff > >I have found it advantageous to have her ride >on the back while wheeling through the surf. >This way my forward vision of bathers >isn't blocked. However on the freeways I >have her sit in front, facing me to help >keep the front wheel loaded when the >air catches the front fender. As an added >bonus it makes the 'felt' vibrations in the >bike much more tolerable. >Surf's up----Ron > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:19:12 EDT From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Givi luggage question Hello, I may be interested in going with hard luggage. I remember seeing, I think at the Fontana BMW rally, a KLR with gray Givi bags. It looked like a neat set up. At the time I didn't own a KLR so I didn't pay too much attention to it. I'd appreciate any comments pro or con regarding Givi bags and mounts. Specifically how solid are the mounts? Are they symmetrical or do they offset for the muffler and then use a smaller right bag a la BMW GS? I've heard of another mount sold by Ride West and contacted them. The one I talked with said he'd find out more and call me back but that was 10 days ago. Thanks to all for the help, this list has been extremely helpful for me so far. Rick Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:23:02 -0400 From: "Steve Young" Subject: RE: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging Unless your ladyfriend likes to steer, then you must sit backwards and she sits behind you so she can 'drive' :) Somehow, I think the wobble might get worse, though... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Simpson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 9:16 AM To: KLR650-List Subject: Fw: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Todd Emsley Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 7:04 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Speed Wobble and bragging >> I have been wondering how long it would be until someone remember the >>theory on front end wobble. It's the high front fender. The front edge >>of the fender has alot of leverage on the forks because of the fenders >>length. You will notice the wobble is more pronounced on windy days. > > I agree with you on this Todd...much more pronounced...Here is a couple of>instructive archive posts from the archives. In the first, the solution is to put on a low desert fender. In the second, it is to have your ladyfriend sit on the tank facing backwards (a Hall of Fame post from Redondo)...According to Ron, this second method also helps with the "felt" vibrations Kurt (the librarian) __________________________________- >> >>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:19:51 -0800 >From: bosozoku@olywa.net >Subject: Re: (klr650) stock front tire > >>I've been riding my 95 klr a short distance on the freeway to get to my >>favorite dirt roads. Steering head bearings, spokes, tire pressures, swing >>arm etc. all checked adjusted and fine, but the bike has a funny lightweight >>feel to the front end at 75 mph and up. Not a wobble or headshake, just a >>light dancy feel like there's no weight on the front end. Almost not worth >>complaining about, just wierd. I've had 40+ bikes, never felt anything like >>this. anyone else noticed this with the stock tires? I'll switch and see if >>it gets better. Bob, '95 KLR > > >Okay Bob, I have a test for you. Take off your front fender and hit the >highway for a mile or so. (nothing big so you don't get a ticket) I will >bet money that your lift is pretty much gone. The KLR doesn't use a pass >through front fender so the air has no real place to go. That fender makes >a good air dam. When you add weight to the rear it increases the problem by >changing the angle of the front end and allowing more air under the fender. >If you drop the front end it sends more air over the top rather than >underneath so that is an alternative to what I did to fix it. I have an >after market desert race fender (looks almost like a street fender but will >clear the knobbies) and have had no problems since the change over. > >- - Jules >bosozoku@olywa.net > >---------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:23 EST >From: Cloudhid >Subject: (klr650) Re: jet kits etc....! > >>what about >>rain, or those guys in california that ride >>chicks on the back(and front if they are >>real lucky) through the surf along the >>beaches?? >>jeff > >I have found it advantageous to have her ride >on the back while wheeling through the surf. >This way my forward vision of bathers >isn't blocked. However on the freeways I >have her sit in front, facing me to help >keep the front wheel loaded when the >air catches the front fender. As an added >bonus it makes the 'felt' vibrations in the >bike much more tolerable. >Surf's up----Ron > > > > ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #260 ****************************