From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #269 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, September 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 269 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Lance Rushing Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Nail in the new tire, Ouch! The bandit has tubeless tires. Tire manufactures don't recommend patching or plugging tires. However... My experiences are this: I have plugged two motorcycle rear tires. Both flats were from nails, and in the middle of the tire. NOT the side wall. (If your puncture is in the sidewall, time for a new tire.) I plugged both of these holes with automotive plugs. Both tires were Metzler ME88's. One was on a 92 BMW K75s, and the other an 81 Suzuki GS1100E (making about 140hp). The BMW went another 8,000 miles on the plug, the Suzuki's tire was already old, and went another 1,500. (The Suzuki went flat 7pm on a Sunday, when I was visiting friends 500 miles from home.) Anyway: the plugs held, and I had no problems. Also, I worked at a BMW retail / Custom Harley / Japanese parts and salvage shop for 3 years. We did not 'offically' plug tires, but we did have what is known as a "plug/patch", which we did use on our own bikes, and close customers'. The plug/patch has to go on the inside of the tire and requires sanding the carcas and an adhesive. Most shops haven't heard of these, or don't stock/install them, and are much more willing to sell you a brand new $120+ tire for your bike. However, it wouldn't hurt to ask. Bottom line, plug it, ride it, be happy. On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Steve Rottenberg wrote: > Hi, > Recently I got a Bandit 1200. I've got 700 miles on the bike, Today > I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a bright > thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. > Should I take it out and watch my rear tire deflate ? > Do I patch it and hope to be safe ? > Does the Bandit have a tube tire? > I read somewhere (cycle world, motorcyclist or MCN) that you NEVER patch or > plug a bike tire. You are supposed to trow it away and buy a new one. With > 700 miles on the tire it doesn;t seem right. > > Any opinions, experience on the subject ? > > > Steve in Tampa > 98 B12 > 95 KLR 650 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:41:56 +0000 From: "Mats Cederblad" Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #268 >Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400 >From: "Steve Young" >Subject: (klr650) Anyone ever have this problem? >I pulled off the highway after about 20 miles of speeds between 75 - >100MPH. Went one more block and then pulled into a parking lot in >too high of gear and stalled. Pulled in the clutch, hit the >starter but it would not start. Wouldn't even fire after multiple >attempts. I checked for the obvious (is it turned on and do I have >gas) and switched over to reserve tank, same results. >Left it alone about 10 minutes, tried again. Won't start. I >remembered in the manual it says something about keeping the >throttle wide open and hitting the starter. Several attempts at >this and it started to fire. I could get it started now, but it >would not run at less than 3000 rpms without stalling or running >really rough. If you let off the throttle it stalled instantly. >Decided to try and make it home so I could tear it apart and look at >the plug and carb in my own garage... Turned out to not be >necessary. By the time I got home, it had apparently 'healed' itself >and was running perfectly normal. Have since driven 100 miles with >no problem at slow speeds on trails and high speeds on the >expressway. What's up with that? Did the plug just get fouled? >There is only 1500 miles on it. Does not seem like bad gas, >either. First service was done at dealer approx 900 miles on the >ODO. >Steve - A12 wicked wobble (California model) >1,500 miles and counting Hi, I had a the problem as you desribe them, but it only happend, when it was near freezing point ( < +6 degrees celsius) and moisture in the air, most offen when it snowed. I never managed to locate this problem exactly , but I am quite sure that it was something with the CDI unit my theory was that the CDI unit had some leak into it near connections and when it was cold the plastic shrinked so that it start to leak and the moisture in the air came into it and disturbed the electronics. Maybe in your case if it was not that cold, they could maybe other problem with the CDI unit, or off-course the Ignition coil and cableing to it . In my case it was Not the ignition coil and cableing,I replaced them. CDI units do break on KLR, heard it at least once before. KLR 90 Tengai + KLR 91 Tengai M.V.H Best Regards Mats Cederblad ABB Metering SVM AB m.cederblad@svmab.se Tel +46 (0) 8 632 96 42 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:04:23 -0700 From: Tom Simpson Subject: (klr650) Tire update Just thought I would provide y'all with an update on my experiences with tires. I am replacing the front AM24 Gripster (tube model) with another identical one. The previous tire had been a sterling performer in all respects and lasted 19,400 miles, but is now approaching the end of its service life due to honest tread wear. It replaced the OEM Dunlop at 9,500 miles, which had a fair bit of tread left but its carcas was starting to show evidence of superficial cracking. It was a mediocre tire at best. The new Avon has already arrived and will be installed by yours truly on Tuesday. The Avon AM 21 Roadrunner (nominaly intended for cruisers and heavy touring bikes) is now approaching the 5,000 mile mark and has lost approximatly 2-3mm of it's measured 9mm depth when new, which is in line with the 15k mile service life that others have told me to antisipate. I have no complaints whatsoever with this tires performance. It even works halfway decent for nontechnical offroad work. This tire superseeds several AM24 Gripsters, which were excelent performers in all respects but I wanted a little better than 7,500 miles of service life. I have also run a Brigestone S11 Spitfire, with good results but sub-6k mile life. The OEM Dunlop was pure crap, worn out at 3,500 miles and nearly as useless onroad as off. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 28,800 miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:23:19 +0100 From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V1 #267 > >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:10:41 -0400 >From: Stuart Heaslet >Subject: Re: (klr650) RE; Jackets > >Any opinions on the differences between the Kilamanjaro and Motoport's >Ultra II? > >Stuart I don't know about the Kilamanjaro, but I am totally sold on the Ultra II after using it for 3 years. I think is is much better a deal than the venerable Aerostich. Go to my web page and find my review of the Motoport Difi Utra II. I have no financial connection wih Motoport. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ The secret -- lies in knowing what good work is, and being willing to take the pains to do it that way. Lucien Cary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:16:44 -0400 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) BIG GUN EXHAUST Rob, You mentioned, "I put eight (8) 1/2" holes in the muffler baffle, since the stock inside pipes were so restrictive." Is that the header pipe? You said you put on a COBRA muffler. I thought the header pipe is just a straight tube. Todd A11 Thinking I was straight ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:25:49 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16 T again... >it never gets above halfway on the gauge. Someone put a 16-tooth front >sprocket on his bike. Does anyone know, do you have to modify the front >sprocket guard casting to fit the larger sprocket No mods necessary...I did have to pull the rear axle to get the wheel forward enough to get the chain around the new sprocket. It is a great combo with the jet kit...I don't get the performance that you do but I definitely have a strong running bike and with the 16 T and the kit you probably have better than stock acceleration with tons of top end at highway speeds and less revs of course. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:46:08 -0500 From: "Desmond, Richard - TAFB/LASPO2" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR - Tires related Steve, >I was admiring the bike with a friend of mine, when he pointed out a >bright thingy on the rear tire. It seems like a nail's head. >Should I take it out and watch my rear tire deflate ? >Do I patch it and hope to be safe ? >Does the Bandit have a tube tire? The Bandit has tubeless tires. As to the patch/replace question, it kinda depends on your financial situation and how fast and far away from home you ride. Me, I'd chuck it and by a new one, tires are one thing I take no chances with. Some people have had success patching tires though, so don't take my attitude as gospel. Regardless, you need to pull the wheel, since it should be patched from the inside if you go that route. Just make sure you put it on the stand _before_ pulling the nail. Rich '97 900CR '87 Concours (for sale) '86 RZ500 (for sale) '85 RZ350 x 2 '86 XT350 (for sale) '80 GS1000S '76 CB400F racing EX's ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:07:41 -0400 From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) what????? Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... But... What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? Adding more useless banter.. Robert 93 KLR 650 96 KTM RXC 620 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:12:50 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Mirrors FWIW: The same factory mirror fits both sides of the KLR650. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:19:16 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Rear Tire Balance The service manual lists a detailed procedure for balancing the front tire/wheel. It doesn't say anything about balancing the rear. Is it safe to assume that it really isn't necessary to balance the rear tire when replacing tires (other than lining up the colored dot on the sidewall with the valve stem)? I picked up my TW22 rear tire ($70.00 + 6%) Saturday and will probably try to change it myself while the bike is stored for the winter. Not having to get it balanced would be a boon. Where can I buy rim protectors? Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: Extended warranty My experience was, I did not buy the extra coverage and did not really need it. The only thing that I would gotten covered under warranty was the shift lever (the weld cracked). Since I have a welder I fixed it myself. A lot of people replace theirs with aftermarket shifters anyway. There are a few listers that have had serious problems. Maybe we could get a response to gage the problem model years and mileage use per year. My 1993 model has been very good since I got it in Sept. '95 (left over) and I have just over 9,000 miles in three years. == Rex (93 KLR650) For the Colorado Springs Get-together info see http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm (it's this weekend!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:54:04 -0700 From: Brian Subject: [Fwd: (klr650) what?????] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <360FB212.4DF89AA3@uniserve.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:58:11 -0700 From: Brian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert frey Subject: Re: (klr650) what????? References: <002501bdeaf1$c10cc760$eff1ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit K awasaki L andloper R over Good attempt?? BB. - --------------2BAA8C744C6D287A61AA10EE-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:00:53 -0700 From: "Eric Rhoads" Subject: Re: (klr650) what????? >Here I go filling the list with senseless babble... >>>>>>> well, I'm sure you aren't the only one :) >But... >What the heck does KLR standfor in the relm of kawasaki motors? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KilLeR motorcycle King o' La Road Kawasaki Lister Respondent Kawasaki List Regular Knowledge, Love, Respect but probably not Kindly Love Republicans >Adding more useless banter.. >>>>>>>now, who would do that > >Robert 93 KLR 650 >96 KTM RXC 620 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith) Subject: (klr650) KLR 650 What ?????? How about: Kool, Long Running? Jim - Palmdale (where fall is upon us) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:30:41 PDT From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) KLX-300 After beating my KLR silly on an aggressive offroad outing, I came to two conclusions: 1. My KLR isn't the right kind of bike to have on that sort of ride (yeah, no s--t, Sherlock...). And... 2. I really want to get more involved in that kind of riding. After mulling it over for some time, I'm leaning towards the purchase of a new Kawasaki KLX-300 once I get back to the states. Having one of those babies in my garage along with my KLR would put me in something approaching a nirvanic state. I know I know, Yamaha's 4-stroke WR is not to be believed... But I'm not looking to win any races-- I just want to get a little muddy every once in awhile (I'm also planning to put a Baja street-legal kit on it). Anybody have any experiences with this bike? How about an associated web forum? Thanks in advance... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "El Lobo Solo" P.S. I'll be relocating to San Antonio. Any good cross-country/enduro type riding areas in them there parts? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:43 -0400 From: James Naus Subject: RE: (klr650) KLX-300 Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:36:32 EDT From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) KLX-300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_907014992_boundary Content-ID: <0_907014992@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 9/28/98 3:13:59 PM EST, James.Naus@atg-tech.com writes: << Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C >> I keep hearing about Yamaha's dual-sport version of their 400 that I keep thinking..... Anyway, just have to throw that out.. MN Ron - --part0_907014992_boundary Content-ID: <0_907014992@inet_out.mail.atg-tech.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air16.mail.aol.com (v50.15) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:13:59 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA00151; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNjdV-0004Y8-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:11:09 -0600 Received: from [199.44.223.20] (helo=atgmail.concord-atg.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zNjdS-0004Xg-00 for KLR650@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:11:06 -0600 Received: by atgmail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: James Naus To: "'Juan Villarreal'" , KLR650@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (klr650) KLX-300 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: James Naus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Don't know much about this bike but there is an old review of the XR400R and the KLX300R on Motorcycle online. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/klx_xr.html James Tallahassee, FL '95 KLX650C - --part0_907014992_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #269 ****************************