From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #292 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 292 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:38:14 -0700 From: nocoffee@juno.com Subject: Re: (klr650) clatter from instrument cluster Maybe... I had the same noise. Remove your fairing and check the screw at the lower edge of the headlight. They vibrate loose and the rattling can drive you crazy. It took me a year to figure out what it was and where it came from. Duh... On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 06:25:23 +0100 "Eric Dietiker" writes: >For the past, oh year or so, I have been suffering with a hugely >annoying >clatter emanating from somewhere inside my instrument pod. It seems to >be >related to rpm and throttle; it is always present starting at about >3500 >rpm, and gets louder if the throttle opens more. I thought it was >something >with the tachometer drive, so I took the pod apart only to find there >is no >tachometer drive - it is electromagnetic. In fact, I couldn't find any >part >that seemed like it would want to rattle or clatter. So I'm stumped. >Has >anyone had this happen to them? Any ideas for exorcising this >annoying >feature? > >Thanks, >Eric. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:04:18 -0700 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) panic stop musing At 10:30 AM 10/9/98 -0500, David M. King wrote: >> intersection. I was trying to modulate the front brake so it stayed near >> lockup. About midway through the stop I noticed the back wheel was >> sliding, even though I didn't know I had applied the rear brake. Eventually I >> stopped with the front tire three or four feet over the line, which was good, but > >If you were doing 30 and were 20-30 feet from the white line then it sounds >like you did a good job stopping 3-4 feet over the line. I wouldn't try to >modulate the front brake just use a strong progressive squeeze. You should >definitely keep the rear locked if it does start skidding. > >Practice does help to retain your maximum braking skills. But it sounds like >you did all you could on this one. I know that it is generaly considered poor form, but I have had very good luck in backing off of the rear brake after a lockup, even in one panic situation where I could well have high-sided. I realy think the geometry of the KLR is a big factor in saving my ass in these cases. I was sailing down a 4-lane undivided highway when there was a big pileup not 50 yards in front of me and all four lanes were instanly blocked. I bound down on the brakes, only to have the rear lock up on me and start to pass me on the left. Instantly recognising this as a non-good thing, I somehow modulated the brakes untill I was upright, rolling on both wheels and under control...and headed for the driver- side door of a crashed '85 Mustang, with about 30 feet to go. Oh, well. At least I had managed to turn 65mph into about 40mph. Abandoning my braking efforts, I pointed the KLR offroad, hopped a (thankfuly) shallow ditch and sailed through a used car lot without further incident. Now I simply will not have a bike that dosent have a lot of suspention travel, as a cruiser or other short-travel bike would have inevitably spit me off while hopping the ditch. In my 5 years/40,000 miles of riding, this has been my only big scare to date. Now, was I lucky or was I good? Something tells me a fair bit of the latter... - -Tom practices braking and is scheduled to buy a MAP rotor kit 1stQ '99. '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:24:03 -0600 From: marcus_young@ceo.cudenver.edu (Marcus Young) Subject: Re: (klr650) clatter from instrument cluster I had exactly the same problem you describe. In my case it was a loose headlight, rattling against the metal frame which supports it. If you remove the fairing and the black plate behind the headlight you'll be able to tighten everything up. This did the trick for me, no more rattle. Good Luck, ~marcus~ 96 KLR dietiker@pacbell.net writes: >For the past, oh year or so, I have been suffering with a hugely annoying >clatter emanating from somewhere inside my instrument pod. It seems to be >related to rpm and throttle; it is always present starting at about 3500 >rpm, and gets louder if the throttle opens more. I thought it was >something >with the tachometer drive, so I took the pod apart only to find there is >no >tachometer drive - it is electromagnetic. In fact, I couldn't find any >part >that seemed like it would want to rattle or clatter. So I'm stumped. Has >anyone had this happen to them? Any ideas for exorcising this annoying >feature? > >Thanks, >Eric. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:25:46 -0500 From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) panic stop musing Tom wrote: > I know that it is generaly considered poor form, but I have had very good > luck in backing off of the rear brake after a lockup, even in one panic If you practice and know your bike well then you will be able to do things that are considered 'risky' for a novice. > Now, was I lucky or was I good? > Something tells me a fair bit of the latter... I would say you were good. Knowing your machine and when to switch tactics saved your butt. David M. King Who practices maximum braking and swerving. Not at the same time of course. :-) Because you never know when you're gonna need it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: clatter from instrument cluster Eric, I had a couple of different rattling noises fron the front also, but not the same as Jeffs' as yet. Currently I've got a buzzing at certain rpms from the black plactic guard in front of the coolant reservior. This can be confirmed by reaching down and touching it when it makes the noise, thus damping it. Haven't tried to cure it, but Jeffs' velcro idea sound good. The other was the clutch lever which needed cleaning and some grease to fix. Let us know when you find your fix. Rex '93 KLR650 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:42:56 -0700 From: Mike Magier Subject: Re: (klr650) clatter from instrument cluster Eric, you've probably already thought of this, but just in case . . . I had a crack in my windshield right at the middle mounting bolt, which I finally managed to convince Kawa was NOT my doing, and should be covered under warranty. They must have assumed it was due to an overtightened mounting bolt (sounds reasonable), because when they replaced it, the new bolts were WAAAY loose. There was a godawful clatter/vibration from instrument area at low-to-medium RPM, and it definitely got "throatier" if I opened up the throttle. The only way I figured out what it was was that the windshield was the only new thing, and the sound was clearly new. TIghtened the offending bolts (a bit) and all's well. Just something to consider. Mike Magier 98A12 - ---------- ... >that seemed like it would want to rattle or clatter. So I'm stumped. Has >anyone had this happen to them? Any ideas for exorcising this annoying >feature? > >Thanks, >Eric. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:37:17 -0700 From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: [Fwd: (klr650) clatter from instrument cluster] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------85AA34CB9E823477193D2A75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------85AA34CB9E823477193D2A75 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <361E4B01.DDA8D925@uniserve.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:42:26 -0700 From: Brian Bonenfant X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Dietiker Subject: Re: (klr650) clatter from instrument cluster References: <199810091341.GAA27041@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My noise sounds very similar to yours. Mine is coming from fairing rigidity, if you apply pressure to the rear of the fairing when the noise happens just below the centre of the windshield, my noise stops. I haven't had the time, but this winter I am going to make a reinforcement steel strap to the rear of the fairing to give the fairing more strength not to vibrate, but I haven't come up with the way I am going to affix it to the plastic without having to tap a hole into the fairing. Brian. - --------------85AA34CB9E823477193D2A75-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:06:06 -0400 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: Re[2]: (klr650) RE: Pat's brake cover - --openmail-part-147ffacf-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlos wrote:>>>> So Im wondering, if I reorder the right hand cover and straighten it, will it crack or become weaker? Will it still be able to take a hit without snaping at the straightened area (and possibly taking the plastic elbow that we are all so eager to protect)? <<<<<< I my article I stated, "When I got the cover home I flattened it out and mounted to the KLR rear master cylinder. It was a perfect fit." The way I flattened it was to lay it flat of a 2x6 board and beat the crap out of it with a big hammer. It didn't even come close to cracking. Pat Austin, TX - --openmail-part-147ffacf-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="1.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="1.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [15.81.184.10]) by i3125om4.atl.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0 Openmail) id BAA20325 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (root@batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id WAA13511 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (aviator@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.201]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id AAA27588; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (aviator@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA30984; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:29:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Carlos Yonan Gonzalez To: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Pat's brake cover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII - --openmail-part-147ffacf-00000001-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 15:42:11 CST From: "John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI)" Subject: (klr650) Instrument clatter From: John W. Houchins --UNMCVM(JWHOUCHI) Eric and list, Here's another clatter maker. I had a loose headset ajustment nut for two weeks after riding the Utah trails. This does n't sound like your noise, but check it anyway. John Houchins ( who is a loose nut himself ) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:09:38 -0400 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) panic stop musing I applaud the mention of swerving. It has saved my life. While riding in bumper to bumper beach traffic through an area with many traffic lights I was involved in one of those pile-up stops. But, since I had swerved out of my lane in to a grassy median, when the driver behind me slammed on the brakes and stopped 2 ft behind the car that was ahead of me. Would not have felt good. Now I'm always looking behind me at red lights until traffic behind stops. Todd A11 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:09:23 EDT From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) (NKLR) panic stop musing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_907970964_boundary Content-ID: <0_907970964@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 10/9/98 11:14:30 AM EST, bullet@scsn.net writes: << Now, was I lucky or was I good? Something tells me a fair bit of the latter... -Tom >> You were good and lucky. (kidding) This just shows the benefits of our style of bikes. GOOD JOB of reacting quickly, and I'm glad you survivied!! I agree with the long-travel statement too. MN Ron - --part0_907970964_boundary Content-ID: <0_907970964@inet_out.mail.scsn.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v50.17) with SMTP; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:14:24 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA17375; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zRf9I-0006Ne-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:12:12 -0600 Received: from [206.25.246.12] (helo=mail.scsn.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zRf9E-0006NT-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:12:09 -0600 Received: from tom-s ([208.133.153.169]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with SMTP id AAA224 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981009120418.0195a210@scsn.net> X-Sender: bullet@scsn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:04:18 -0700 To: klr650@lists.xmission.com From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) panic stop musing In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Tom Simpson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At 10:30 AM 10/9/98 -0500, David M. King wrote: >> intersection. I was trying to modulate the front brake so it stayed near >> lockup. About midway through the stop I noticed the back wheel was >> sliding, even though I didn't know I had applied the rear brake. Eventually I >> stopped with the front tire three or four feet over the line, which was good, but > >If you were doing 30 and were 20-30 feet from the white line then it sounds >like you did a good job stopping 3-4 feet over the line. I wouldn't try to >modulate the front brake just use a strong progressive squeeze. You should >definitely keep the rear locked if it does start skidding. > >Practice does help to retain your maximum braking skills. But it sounds like >you did all you could on this one. I know that it is generaly considered poor form, but I have had very good luck in backing off of the rear brake after a lockup, even in one panic situation where I could well have high-sided. I realy think the geometry of the KLR is a big factor in saving my ass in these cases. I was sailing down a 4-lane undivided highway when there was a big pileup not 50 yards in front of me and all four lanes were instanly blocked. I bound down on the brakes, only to have the rear lock up on me and start to pass me on the left. Instantly recognising this as a non-good thing, I somehow modulated the brakes untill I was upright, rolling on both wheels and under control...and headed for the driver- side door of a crashed '85 Mustang, with about 30 feet to go. Oh, well. At least I had managed to turn 65mph into about 40mph. Abandoning my braking efforts, I pointed the KLR offroad, hopped a (thankfuly) shallow ditch and sailed through a used car lot without further incident. Now I simply will not have a bike that dosent have a lot of suspention travel, as a cruiser or other short-travel bike would have inevitably spit me off while hopping the ditch. In my 5 years/40,000 miles of riding, this has been my only big scare to date. Now, was I lucky or was I good? Something tells me a fair bit of the latter... - -Tom practices braking and is scheduled to buy a MAP rotor kit 1stQ '99. '96 KLR 650 - --part0_907970964_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #292 ****************************