From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #347 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, November 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 347 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 04:12:52 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) 4 piston calipers! - -----=D6zg=FCn =DDleti----- Kimden: Todd Emsley Kime: klr650@lists.xmission.com Tarih: 05 Kas=FDm 1998 Per=FEembe 13:21 Konu: (klr650) 4 piston calipers! Just reading my new DSN. I see 4 piston calipers being made for the KLR!!!!! A gift from the Gods. How do I get drool out of this keyboard? Todd A11 waiting to stop Listers, We are installing a wider front brake disc and Tokico 4 piston caliper to one of our Search&Rescue babies. I will inform the list about the results, price and purchase address very soon. Birol Say, M.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 03:46:13 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) Polyswitches as fuse replacements Skip, Did you think of using a main power switch and what about the water proofness problem of the appliance fuses if I put them outside? I always ride my baby, even in the rain storms. Covering them with silicone gloves (very strong but transparent and soft enough) may be a solution I think. Birol Say, M.D. ( taking good care of patients and trusts his mechanics for lovely T-67 M Firefly) - -----=D6zg=FCn =DDleti----- Kimden: skip faulkner Kime: KLR650 Page Tarih: 04 Kas=FDm 1998 =C7ar=FEamba 07:02 Konu: Re: (klr650) Polyswitches as fuse replacements >I agree completely: the best is your solution, albeit with a little more work; >then Polyswitches; then and a bad last, the stock fuse solution. The short >cool-down time beats the time required to remove side protectors and seat to >replace fuse. I expect to eventually install breakers of the type you indicated, >plus a voltmeter, near the present instrument cluster. > >tanks -- DR. Robert, Don`t get me wrong. If one hasn`t the time or inclination, installing the Polyswitches is a good way to go. Like you said earlier, if you don`t have the need to be able to pull a circuit and don`t mind a little wait for cool down, Polyswitches are a good alternative. With wire strippers in hand, they could be installed in 10 minutes and wrap them in a piece of rubber for vibration protection. I`m always tinkering with my bike and like being able to take a circuit off-line without disconnecting the battery, therefore, I like a breaker I can pull. Skip (who needs to take himself off-line) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:46:25 -0800 From: Brian Bonenfant Subject: (klr650) Re: AND YOU THINK YOU HAD A BAD DAY After reading some of the horror stories around here, I got this post and thought I would pass it along.. > Next time you think you're having a bad day remember that---- > > 1. The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez > oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most > expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid > cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later they were both > eaten by a killer whale. > > 2. A psychology student in New York rented out her spare room to a > carpenter in order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. > After weeks of needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an ax > leaving her mentally retarded. > > 3. In 1992, Frank Perkins of Los Angeles made an attempt on the > world flagpole-sitting record. Suffering from the flu he came down eight > hours short of the 400 day record, his sponsor had gone bust, his > girlfriend had left him and his phone and electricity had been cut off. > > 4. A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen, shaking > frantically with what looked like a wire running from his waist > towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the > deadly current she whacked him with a handy plank of wood by the back > door, breaking his arm in two places. Till that moment he had been > happily listening to his Walkman. > > 5. Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of > sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, all two > thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, > trampling the two hapless protesters to death. > > And the capper....... > > 6. Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a > letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it. > Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:05:11 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) FAQ....request for submissions... The list and webpage need a really good Frequently Asked Questions section. I'm willing to take the lead and gather individual entries and do my share of research. I'm looking for others to offer suggestions and/or be willing to prepare an installment on the suggested item of interest. So, what should be included in the FAQ? I have my ideas what are yours? Kurt A12 Bountiful, UT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 22:14:19 -0700 From: Tony Subject: (klr650) Electrics Stuart, some day I want to do a smoke test of standard wire sizes. There are alot of tables for max current on copper with all of the different insulation's. But these people do tend to derate 25%. For example; (hypothetically) a 18 awg wire will smoke at 12.5 amps but is rated for 10 amps. Also, you can bet the fuses are derated too. A 10 amp fuse might likely blow with less than 10 amps. This would also be affected some, by the wire connected to it. The larger wire will act as a larger heat sink to sip some of the heat off the fuse. If the above hypothetical case was similar to the KLR, we are all in trouble! Next time I take my bike apart, Im going to take notes on the wire sizes used. As well as the fuses. Do you know what the head lamp power rating is? 55 Watts? A 10 amp fuse should get you by for about 120 watts. This is pushing it. But surely for 55 watt head lamp and some smaller loads like brake lights. But maybe not, some one should do some addition of the all the bulbs wattage's. If it comes close to 10 amps, then there lies the problem. And my cure would be to replace the 10 amp with a 12 or 13 amp fuse. These are kind of nonstandard fuses for automotive use, but you can get them. BTW My KLR is like the energizer bunny on speed, it goes real fast non stop! No failures yet, just upgrades. Bars, brake rotor, exhaust, grips, tank bag, and next will be a K&N jet kit. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:36:25 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) I-FAQ....request from the dark side...NKLR Kurt wrote: snip >what should be included in the FAQ? I have my ideas what are yours? My personal favorite would have to be...Why won't it start? Followed by....Why does it run poorly? Too easy? Let's add an Infrequently Asked Questions list. How about multiple choice answers? It might also offer some insight into our fellow listers. I offer the following as an example... You're tearing up a single track that's beyond your ability. You end up with one of your SiDi boots stuck in your new Renthal Desert bars, the other wedged under a burly peg, and a helmet full of dirt. After spitting out the mud and checking for broken bones and metal, do you... A) Curse profusely; B) Wish that you'd installed that rear brake guard; C) Tell your buddies you were attacked by a grizzly; D) Wonder if you can get Aerostich to take the boots back; E) Swap parts with your friend's klr when he isn't looking; F) All of the above. That's my IFAQ. What's yours? CA Truk (Kurt's evil twin, who got an F on this test) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 22:45:06 PST From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) The Great Expedition to Batopilas PANCHO VILLA MOTO-TOUR 10/17 SIERRA MADRE EXPEDITION Lone Ranger: Tonto, we are surrounded by wild Indians. Tonto: What do you "we", white man? Fortunately, on this expedition the natives were friendly and the trusty PVMT guides stayed loyal to the end. Fourteen riders from across the US and three PVMT staff (one leading, one most of the time pulling up the rear except when his enthusiasm overwhelmed him and one in a chase vehicle) had a wonderful 7-day frolic through the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Most of the riders were, to my surprise, grey-beards like myself. I believe only 2 were under 50. Their skill level on both pavement and dirt was quite high, in some cases very high indeed, so the group was able to keep a very brisk pace over both the 100 miles or so of dirt and 100 miles or so of pavement each day. Some of the dirt was very challenging, lots of rocky sections with some sand and numerous creek crossing. The group rode mostly KLRs, with one Suzi DR650, one Ducati e900, one R100GS and two mightly KLXs (one mine and one belonging to a young chap who was the Texas trials champ). The PVMT guys rode R100GS's, which I felt put them at a serious disadvantage (heavy and having relatively short suspension) in the dirt but their skill level was such that any disadvantage was certainly not evident. The high point of the trip was the low point, the descent into the Copper Canyon to the old mining town of Batopilas, a 7000 foot drop to sea level and an almost tropical climate. The ride down was on a single lane dirt road with seemingly endless tight switchbacks, which made for some exciting passes with the occasional upward-bound truck, especially the federales in their Hummer, hauling out a busted 1100GS whose rider tore off a cylinder in an attempted ride down in the dark. We also passed his buddy, who successfully got to the bottom in his 1100GS, as he rode back up in his tee shirt and no helmet. Whew! Batopilas was founded in the 1600's and had many prosperous years due to the silver mines. Today, it seems to survive mostly off the modest tourist trade. The town is full of quaint old buildings, cute children of all colors and wonderful mountain scenery. During our one-day layover most of the gang enjoyed a swim in the river and a ride to the "lost mission," a really beautiful cathedral out in the middle of nowhere. Another "high point" for me was getting my first air off an elevated cattle guard, taken at about 50 mph. I didn't really expect to get launched quite so vigorously but the KLX flew well and landed as lightly as a bird. Accommodations were mostly very nice as were most of the PVMT arranged dinners. Only the hotel in Batopilas came up a bit short, with very small rooms and rather primitive facilities. But, hey, Batopilas itself made up for it. The PVMT guys really took good care of us and were good companions to boot. Heading back to the States we were flagged down by four young Israelis, who had just bought KLRs in California and were on their way to Tierra Del Fuego. Made me wonder why I didn't do something wild and wonderful like that when I was a kid. This trip was a blast and I heartily recommend. Now, if I could just afford their month-long expedition that goes on down through Guatemala and Honduras. Marick To: KLR650@LISTS.XMISSION.COM, KLX650-MOTO@LISTS.STANFORD.EDU, GARRETT_SLIGER@MSN.COM, KENPAYTON@ZIANET.COM, marick(Marick.Payton) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:54:51 -0000 From: Ian Ellison Subject: (klr650) RE: klr650-digest V1 #346 My Tengai has a 4 pot front caliper, which has 2 big and 2 small pistons, which Kawasaki's blurb reckons "balances the pressure across the brake pads". Sounds a little bogus to me.... Works quite well with a good hard squeeze - I can easily lock the front on dry tarmac from 60 or 70 mph. However it takes a bit of warming up (Kawasaki pads) and if you don't really bang on the brake it can be a bit leisurely. When I first got the bike I scared myself a couple of times by not using all the braking that was available to me and had to take evasive action to avoid becoming a bumper sticker! Ian Ellison Enfield India Motorcycle Challenge Don't be left out - sponsor me NOW! http://www.poptastic.com/iane/ for more info > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [SMTP:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 2:23 AM > To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > Subject: klr650-digest V1 #346 > > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:30:50 -0700 > From: bruixot@rmi.net > Subject: Re: (klr650) 4 piston calipers! > > actually, I believe that the European KLR models have had that for some > time. Anybody across the pond care to corroborate that? > > - --rr > > Todd Emsley wrote: > > > Just reading my new DSN. I see 4 piston calipers being made for the > > KLR!!!!! A gift from the Gods. How do I get drool out of this keyboard? > > > > Todd A11 waiting to stop > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:21:36 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) FAQ....request for submissions... Kurt, One question could be- "What's the difference between the KLR and other dual sport motorcycles?" Tell me how I can help you. I'll be out of town this weekend, but would be happy to talk with you about the task next week. Stuart At 09:05 PM 11/5/98 -0700, Kurt Simpson wrote: >The list and webpage need a really good Frequently Asked Questions section. I'm >willing to take the lead and gather individual entries and do my share of >research. I'm looking for others to offer suggestions and/or be willing to >prepare an installment on the suggested item of interest. > >So, what should be included in the FAQ? I have my ideas what are yours? > >Kurt A12 >Bountiful, UT > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:29:30 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: (klr650) Re: Electrics At 10:14 PM 11/5/98 -0700, Tony wrote: >Stuart, some day I want to do a smoke test of standard wire sizes. >There are alot of tables for max current on copper with all of the >different insulation's. But these people do tend to derate 25%. I've heard that derate figure too, in fact have authorized electricians to up fuse values in a building when the owner didn't want to rewire ( I don't do that anymore). On my KLR, I plan to replace the headlight wiring with heavier gauge. Stuart Juno Beach, FL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:36:56 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) I-FAQ....request from the dark side...NKLR At 01:36 AM 11/6/98 -0500, Cloudhid@aol.com wrote: > Kurt wrote: snip >>what should be included in the FAQ? I have my ideas what are yours? >...After spitting out the mud and > checking for broken bones and metal, do you... > A) Curse profusely; > B) Wish that you'd installed that rear brake guard; > C) Tell your buddies you were attacked by a grizzly; > D) Wonder if you can get Aerostich to take the boots back; > E) Swap parts with your friend's klr when he isn't looking; > F) All of the above. A fine researcher and writer you are, sir. Uh, in Item C, Subsection A, Wildlife Hazards, you forgot the part about the rabbit in the pink tutu jumping out from behind a tree, surprising the rider. Displacement Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:58:25 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) Battery I was in the Sears store in Johnson City, NY yesterday and checked out the battery section. They have Die Hard motorcycle batteries and they carry the YB14L-A2 battery as their part #44364. The price is a very reasonable $34.99 with trade (and 8% tax in NY). There were 5 or 6 batteries on the shelf so I get the feeling that this model is a common one and sells well. The battery is sold dry but the acid is included in the box. You could buy one on sale and store it until needed without it deteriorating in storage. I've had several Sears motorcycle batteries in the past and they performed as well as the Yuasa and factory batteries they replaced. FWIW. Thanks. Bob Kaub State University of New York PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #347 ****************************