From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #402 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, December 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 402 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:04:52 EST From: S2Mumford@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: I thumped past him in the turns.... As the author of that post, I can assure you that while all of your mathematical calculations and physics dissertations may be correct, the only true reason I was able to outdo my pal was my superior motorcycling skill. ;-) Stu. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: KLR650@webtv.net (Conall O'Brien) Subject: (klr650) NKLR : SF,CA show Dec 13th @1pm sounds good to me , but if I don't have to go to jury duty on monday morning the 14th, I might instead go to the races on sunday in buttonwillow (near Bakersfield). I'll know Friday PM what my schedule is. Conall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:26:47 -0700 From: Michael Anderson Subject: (klr650) KLR cornering performance Ref: Cornering performance of KLRs Not quite sure why, but I feel I can ride my BMW R100GS faster through tight turns than I can with my BMW R1100RS. In faster turns, the dual-sport (Sahara 3) tires limit my enthusiasm compared to the wide rubber on the RS. Nevertheless, the seating position and wide bars on the GS give me a greater feeling of security and control than the relative sporting crouch and short bars of the RS. A good friend recently rode a borrowed Norton Manx at a rider's class at Willow Springs, California. After doing his best throughout the day to improve his lap times, he got on his stock KLR which was equipped with the OEM dual-sport tires, and lapped several seconds faster than on the Manx. This really got the attention of the rest of the folks at the track. His humble explanation was that he was more familiar with the KLR. However, he has since bought a Manx to campaign in vintage races. In his shoes, I might have repainted the tank of the KLR silver and added Norton decals. Mike Anderson, McCall, Idaho Owning a brace of BMWs, a trio of Bultaco Alpinas; and a wanabe KLR owner. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:31:10 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 2 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 5:13 PM Subject: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 2 >>From BSwider@coloradocollege.edu Thu Dec 10 17:13:17 1998 >Received: from [205.170.0.3] (helo=tikki.cc.colorado.edu) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) > id 0zoGCq-0007fv-00 > for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:13:16 -0700 >Received: from exchange1.ColoradoCollege.edu > (exchange1.ColoradoCollege.edu [205.170.0.15]) > by ColoradoCollege.edu (PMDF V5.2-29 #27722) > with ESMTP id <01J56I7N7NZY99L6T8@ColoradoCollege.edu> for > klr650@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:13:25 MST >Received: by exchange1.ColoradoCollege.edu with Internet Mail Service > (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:13:05 -0700 >Content-return: allowed >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:12:58 -0700 >From: Bogdan Swider >Subject: >To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" >Message-id: > >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) >Content-type: text/plain >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >My D.I.D.x ring & fresh sprockets have arrived. I've already mentioned God >speaking to me and ordering me to stick to stock gearing. I don't subscribe >to the missing link theory nor do I believe in a master race or a master >link therefore the transplant will be a bit of a job. I'm wondering if this >would be a good time to clean & lube the swing arm bearings? I'm hoping to >tackle this during our Christmas break; By then the chain will have survived >20k.The unitrac's never been greased. The bad news is that it's winter in >the northern hemisphere and I have to do the deed on my front sidewalk. >(It's part of the covenant, neighbors insist on it, raises property values) >I figure the chain/sprocket change at 2-3 hrs. Am I right? How involved is >the bearing lube? The manual(s) don't say much. I need a time estimate so I >can finish by dark. Bogdan, maybe I'm the missing link or is it you. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:53:12 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: San Francisco moto show klr gathering >>It will be december 13,at 1pm at the San Mateo county expo center... > >I can't make Sunday; I can only go on Saturday. It'll probably be in >the afternoon, as the wife wants to see the new Star Trek movie. > Paul, You may tell your wife she is a very wise woman. Skip (Live long and prosper) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:36:28 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) New in the list >All Member the list : > >I am a mechanic of motorcycles , I live in Argentina. >I want to greet all the members of the list . >My name is Fabian Cipollone >nikename : Chipo. >Age: 34 years > >Best regards >Chipo > Chipo, Welcome to the KLR 650 List, home to many primates who can find no other direction in life than to fixate on a motorcycle that does no one thing particularly well, but does many things adequately. You may join in our attempts to maintain and improve this bike to an almost immortal status. Skip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:40:01 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) ...........I thumped past him with ease in the turns........ >I'm just curious.........what are the 'physics' of the KLR that makes it >fast in corners as compared to others? > > It has nothing to do with physics. It`s called self- hypnotic delusion. Skip (who uses SHD through most of the day) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:44:52 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR New in the list >Hi Chipo, and welcome to the list. My name is >Kathleen, and I am the token "lil sister" in the group. > >Kate > Kathleen, I think we need you to be our "big sister", otherwise, who will keep us "boys" in line. Skip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:47:45 -0700 From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:36:31 EST From: alyef@juno.com (Alex Yefimov) Subject: Re: (klr650) ...........I thumped past him with ease in the turns ........ On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:32:05 -0800 Dreas Nielsen writes: >A slight correction: the same lean angle does not correspond to the >same >cornering speed on different bikes. The overall weight of the bike >and the >height of the center of gravity (CG) are important. If two bikes of >the >same weight are going around the same curve at the same lean angle, >the one >with the higher CG will have to be going slower to keep on the line. I think that Brian and Atilla are correct. While cornering, assuming the line that defines the angle of lean is the line between the CG ( Really the CM, Center of Mass of the bike and rider ) and the point of contact between the wheels and the road and assuming steady state conditions (we are riding in a circle), in order for the bike not to fall over while riding, the sum of accelerations ( radial and gravitational) acting on the CM must be along the vector defined by the CM and tire/road contact or a moment is produced causing the bike to fall over. Since the CM defines the vector, the distance that it is from the tire/road contact along that vector is not relevant. For that matter, assuming Steady State Conditions, weight does not matter either. This would become clear if one goes throught the physics of the problem. Where the weight comes into play is the non-steady state condition ( riding down a winding road ). Now the rider has to control the bike by shifting his weight. Now the advantage goes to the one who has a greater rider to bike ratio. Bike 1) Rider = 200 lbs Bike=300 lbs ratio=.67 Bike 2) Rider= 200 lbs Bike= 400 lbs ratio = .5 On a winding road bike 1 has the advantage. Alex ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:56:20 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: (klr650) JD Power Stats (NKLR) Motorcycle Online has some interesting motorcycle statistics. Some of the more interesting are... One quarter of first time new motorcyclists are women. That's great news. Asian bikes score 58 problems per 100 bikes non Asian bikes score 88 problems per 100 bikes "The notion that motorcyclists are more inclined to tolerate quality problems because of their perceived enthusiasm may not hold true anymore" Sport bikes have the broadest appeal. Dual Sports hove the lowest product appeal. Asian bike owners report the lowest dealer satisfaction. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:00:37 -0500 From: "Brian Schoonveld" Subject: Re: (klr650) ...........I thumped past him with ease in the turns ........ OK..... that does it............it's now time to give the 'thinkers' some smack. When posing the original 'physics' question, I had not considered the consequences. So far, I think the best 2 answers/responses to the query were: no advantage, the KLR has bad brakes, and the KLR can ride through the grass better. Here's a few more: Enjoy! Brian Schoonveld, Indianapolis (Loving pay-day Fridays!!!!! -- it's 7 hrs 'til "Miller time"!!) >Understanding Engineers--Take One >******************************************* >A pastor, a doctor, and an engineer were waiting one morning for a >particularly slow group of golfers. > >The engineer fumed, "What's with these guys? We must have been waiting for >15 minutes!" The doctor chimed in, "I don't know, but I've never seen such >ineptitude!" The pastor said, "Hey, here comes the greenskeeper. Let's >have a word with him." > >"Hi George. Say, what's with that group ahead of us? They're rather slow, >aren't they? The greenskeeper replied, "Oh, yes, that's a group of blind >firefighters. They lost their sight saving our clubhouse from a fire last >year, so we always let them play for free anytime." > >The group was silent for a moment. >The pastor said, "That's so sad. I think I will say a special prayer for >them tonight." >The doctor said, "Good idea. And I'm going to contact my ophthalmologist >buddy and see if there's anything he can do for them." >The engineer said, "Why can't these guys play at night?" > >Understanding Engineers--Take Two >****************************************** >There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things >mechanical. After serving his company loyally for 30 years, he happily >retired. Several years later the company contacted him regarding a >seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their >multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and everyone else >to get the machine to work but to no avail. In desperation, they called on >the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past. > >The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day studying the >huge machine. At the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a >particular component of the machine and stated "This is where your problem >is." The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. When >the company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service, >they demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded >briefly: >One chalk mark $1 >Knowing where to put it $49,999 >The bill was paid and the engineer retired again in peace. > >Understanding Engineers--Take Three >******************************************** >What is the difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers? >Mechanical Engineers build weapons, >Civil Engineers build targets. > >Understanding Engineers--Take Four >******************************************** >The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?" >The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?" >The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?" >The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?" > >Understanding Engineers--Take Five >******************************************* >Three engineering students were gathered together discussing the possible >designers of the human body. One said, "It was a mechanical engineer. Just >look at all the joints." Another said, "No it was an electrical engineer. >The nervous system has many thousands of electrical connections." The last >said, "Actually it was a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste >pipeline through a recreational area?" > >Understanding Engineers--Take Six >***************************************** >"Normal people...believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers >believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features >yet." --S.Adams, The Dilbert Principle > >Understanding Engineers--Take Seven >********************************************* >An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was >better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. > >The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid >foundation for an enduring relationship. > >The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion >and mystery he found there. > >The engineer said, "The important thing is to have both a wife and a >mistress, because they will each assume you are spending time with the other >woman, and you can go to the lab and get some work done." > > - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Yefimov To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 1:35 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) ...........I thumped past him with ease in the turns ........ > >On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:32:05 -0800 Dreas Nielsen >writes: > >>A slight correction: the same lean angle does not correspond to the >>same >>cornering speed on different bikes. The overall weight of the bike >>and the >>height of the center of gravity (CG) are important. If two bikes of >>the >>same weight are going around the same curve at the same lean angle, >>the one >>with the higher CG will have to be going slower to keep on the line. > >I think that Brian and Atilla are correct. While cornering, assuming the >line that defines the angle of lean is the line between the CG ( Really >the CM, Center of Mass of the bike and rider ) and the point of contact >between the wheels and the road and assuming steady state conditions (we >are riding in a circle), in order for the bike not to fall over while >riding, the sum of accelerations ( radial and gravitational) acting on >the CM must be along the vector defined by the CM and tire/road contact >or a moment is produced causing the bike to fall over. Since the CM >defines the vector, the distance that it is from the tire/road contact >along that vector is not relevant. For that matter, assuming Steady State >Conditions, weight does not matter either. This would become clear if one >goes throught the physics of the problem. > >Where the weight comes into play is the non-steady state condition ( >riding down a winding road ). Now the rider has to control the bike by >shifting his weight. Now the advantage goes to the one who has a greater >rider to bike ratio. > >Bike 1) Rider = 200 lbs Bike=300 lbs ratio=.67 >Bike 2) Rider= 200 lbs Bike= 400 lbs ratio = .5 > >On a winding road bike 1 has the advantage. > >Alex > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #402 ****************************