From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #404 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 404 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:29:04 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: (klr650) ding Allan, if the ding is in a spot were a Dent Wizard can't access the back of the panel it's highly unlikely they will be able to remove it without a lit'l filler. I've seen in car doors were they remove the door skin and message the back of the panel back out, this method works incredibly well. Brian B don roger wrote: > There are folks out there now that specialize in removal of these kind of dings in auto bodywork. When my Toyota dealer acci-dent-ally (note pun) put one in my car, he had a guy come in and remove it. Doesn't show, didn't crack the paint. Ask around at body shops or look in the yeller pages. > > Don R > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Phipps [SMTP:phipps@bulldog.prn.bc.ca] > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:32 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) ding > > I have a small ding on the side of my gas tank. Anyone know how big of a > job (and how expensive) it is to get a ding like that repaired? Can it > somehow be popped back out, or would a body shop have to fill it with body > filler and repaint etc? > > Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:55:38 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) ding >> I have a small ding on the side of my gas tank. Anyone know how big of a >> job (and how expensive) it is to get a ding like that repaired? Can it >> somehow be popped back out, or would a body shop have to fill it with body >> filler and repaint etc? >> >> Al Allen, This may sound pretty "shade-tree" ,but it worked for a dent in the side of my NX650. This may work for you, depending on where the dent is. I got a body hammer (with a convex head) from a pawn shop and removed the head from the handle. I then got a piece of soft steel rod ( must be able to bend it fairly easily) I had in my hangar and welded it to the body hammer head ( copper grounding rod may work as the handle also) . I then proceeded to place the hammer head down in the tank filler opening and remove it to bend the handle, continuing to do this till I had the handle bent in such a way as to be able to swing the hammer through the filler neck and tap on the dent, with a sand bag pressed firmly on the outside of the tank, over the dent. The dent popped out after 4 taps and didn`t even crack the paint. This may or may not work for you, but it`s worth a try if you can`t find another way and don`t want to cover it cosmetically. Skip (who , if to cover cosmetically all damage, would need a mask) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:21:32 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: KLR Cams - ---------- > From: Pokluda, Gino F > To: KLR LIST > Subject: RE: (klr650) Re: KLR Info > Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:51 PM > > I > > really wont get a chance to ride one hard out of the dealership on a demo, > > and surely dont want to be dissapointed after buying if it doesnt measure > > up insofas as being the hooligan bike my Honda once was > > The KLR650 will not be as strong a runner as the Honda, but it will last > longer thanks to liquid cooling. The 96 and up models do have longer > duration cams, > Gino Wow! I didn't know about the longer duration cams. Have you had the opportunity to compare the pre 96 KLR to the newer ones personally? Does the newer one pull harder? After doing the supertrapp and K&N routine I still can't pop a clutchless wheelly with my 91. I'll be putting in a jet kit soon and I hope this will cure my "problem". I know that clutchless wheelies can be done with post 96 KLRs since I saw Bill Swindle lift the front end at the Chicago get together, and that was with a stock exhaust! Mine doesn't even come close unless I slip the clutch a lot. Could the different cams be making that much more difference? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:43:09 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: Alcan 5000 >Hi Gang, > >I've been in contact with the promoter of the only remaining rally in North >America, the Alcan 5000, (Alaska/Canada) visit the website at > >www.alcan5000.com > >I contacted the promoter regarding the possibility of adding a motorcycle >class, and he sent the following so we can try to make it happen for the >2002 event. > >Read the messege below, visit the site, see if you're up to it, then email >him for more info at jhines@eskimo.com or call him at >>>(425)823-6343 / >6307 fax > >Good Luck! This should be fun! > >Robert Robert, Now you`ve gone and done it! After reading this, I had no choice but to go for it. A friend of mine (Tim Tuner ) from Fairbanks, tried to petition the Alcan 5000 Planning Committee four years ago to open a motorcycle class for the event, and was told no-can-do. This is great. I`m e-mailing Jerry tomorrow for more info. I`ve made the trip between Alaska and the lower 48 three full runs, one Montana-Dawson City run and one Anchorage-Whitehorse trip (we lived in Alaska for 10 years). 2002 seems like a long way off, but the time would be useful to really prep the bike, work on gear and do some dry runs. Also time to put away some money for the fees. Barring death or some debilitating injury, I`m seriously going to plan for this. Any takers for a riding partner? No half-hearted maybe`s; someone seriously willing to commit to planning and executing. Let me know. Skip (who won`t make the trip without his throttle-lock) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:17:10 -0600 (CST) From: tito@midwest.net (jeff pritts) Subject: Re: (klr650) ding > I have a small ding on the side of my gas tank. Anyone know how big of a > job (and how expensive) it is to get a ding like that repaired? Can it > somehow be popped back out, or would a body shop have to fill it with body > filler and repaint etc? Seems to me that I've heard of a technique using the application of dry ice to draw out a small ding. I think they use it on aircraft with hail damage. Don't really know how it works. Anyone know anything about it? Jeff Pritts - Decatur, Il tito@midwest.net COG #2190 HSTA #7752 Black 92 Concours "SR-71" (for sale) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:04:44 EST From: SFBREIZH@aol.com Subject: (klr650) sfmotoshown it looks like we are not going to make it there so what about meeting the 3rd saturday of the month some were mid-peninsula you name it....we are talking abo8ut you name it????? let me know guy le baher SFDBREIZ@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:06:45 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: KLR Cams Carlos Y. Gonz=E1lez wrote: [Alleged longer duration cams] Does somebody know if the later shop manual supplements show different specs for lift and/or timing? Wondering if such bits might fit the 600, Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:38:58 EST From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: KLR Cams In a message dated 12/12/98 12:24:36 AM Mountain Standard Time, aviator@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Have you had the opportunity to compare the pre 96 KLR to the newer ones personally? Does the newer one pull harder? After doing the supertrapp and K&N routine I still can't pop a clutchless wheelly with my 91. I'll be putting in a jet kit soon and I hope this will cure my "problem". I know that clutchless wheelies can be done with post 96 KLRs since I saw Bill Swindle lift the front end at the Chicago get together, and that was with a stock exhaust! Mine doesn't even come close unless I slip the clutch a lot. Could the different cams be making that much more difference? >> The 96-on KLR's will pull harder than the pre-96 ones if left in stock form. The 96-on KLR's also weigh a few pouns more due to to the bigger clutch basket and thicker engine cases which make the engine a bit quieter. Eldon Carl has put the new cams in his 93 and they dropped right in, no problems. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:07:42 EST From: Roundr1@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: KLR Cams tedp@replicant.apana.org.au wrote: snip >Does somebody know if the later shop manual supplements show >different specs for lift and/or timing? The supplemental manual only covers the '87 to '95 model. I have a '96 (A10) with the greenish blue paint job. However the engine cases are black not greenish grey like the '97 and on models. Does the engine color determine whether the clutch/flywheel/cam have been updated? Or is this only a cosmetic change? John O. Rolling Hills ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:46:03 EST From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: KLR Cams In a message dated 12/11/98 11:24:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, aviator@csd.uwm.edu writes: << I know that clutchless wheelies can be done with post 96 KLRs since I saw Bill Swindle lift the front end at the Chicago get together, and that was with a stock exhaust! >> Hey Carlos......I was hoping that you saw that. After our discussion about wheelies at the breakfast, I was just trying to show you that I wasn't full of balogna about clutchless wheelies on my 98'. .Woulda went further, but Alex was in front of me, and all that dried mud was slowing his bike down. Must've been at least 100 extra pounds! :o) Maybe the pre 96' KLR's just need a big tug on the bars in the mid-upper RPM range to pull a clutchless wheelie. Have ya tried that method yet? Bill Swindle A12 Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:27:37 EST From: DOUGUR@aol.com Subject: (klr650) fuel tank Ron and others, I installed the collar(needle jet) and the bike seems to run fine. Being the novice that I am, this gives me a lot of satisfaction. I have now got to make a decision on a tank. To catch you up on that, the existing tank is very rusty. I initially started to try the creme tank liner kit. I started to clean right inside the mouth of the tank with a wire brush and broke about 3 inches off the end of one of the vent tubes-- they have rust on them also. I gave up at that point and started thinking about buying a new one. I went to the dealer this morning to order an after market plastic tank ($ 220), and they won't have any in til January-maybe. I'm not sure on that anyway, its white and I would need to buy decals or something. This made me think about the liner kit again. If I take the smog stuff off, the hoses coming off the tank would just hang free to vent, if I understood you right. Would both of these hoses be required or could I someway plug the end of the vent tube inside the tank that broke off. I think if I spent a lot of time with the liner kit and did it right, it might work-- you can see some shinny surface inside. Some of the metal around the inside of the cap opening has sloughed off, and I need another cap, maybe just a plastic cap if I could find one to stay on. The exterior of the tank looks great. What are your thoughts on this? Doug. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:39:20 EST From: Roundr1@aol.com Subject: (klr650) nklrbait...Eat a Peach I need to defend myself in court for a maneuver I made on my KLR. Rather than getting into the specificity of the charge I wanted to ask my friends here this hypothetical question. If you were faced with this dilemma which one of the current members of the House Judiciary Committee would you prefer to defend you in court and why? John O. [who marvels at how damn civil this list is] Rolling Hills, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:20:33 -0700 From: "skip faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) ding >> I have a small ding on the side of my gas tank. Anyone know how big of a >> job (and how expensive) it is to get a ding like that repaired? Can it >> somehow be popped back out, or would a body shop have to fill it with body >> filler and repaint etc? > > > >Seems to me that I've heard of a technique using the application of dry ice >to draw out a small ding. I think they use it on aircraft with hail damage. >Don't really know how it works. Anyone know anything about it? > > >Jeff Pritts - Decatur, Il Dry ice does work in some applications on aircraft, but it only works with thin sheet aluminum. On aluminum (aircraft) most dents and dings have stretched the aluminum, not pushed it in. The dry ice (I have also used L.nitrogen) causes the aluminum to contract, thus drawing the ding out. This process doesn`t work that well on plain steel, especially if tempered. Skip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:25:59 -0500 From: Guy Cheney Subject: (klr650) Thanks, but... Hi listees, Went for a short ride this a.m. to check out my new Rifle 13" fairing. = It's a hit, man. Also wanted to thank you all who gave feedback regardin= g sprocket options. Only thing is, after I hacksawed four teeth off the re= ar sprocket I didn't get any change in the rpm at speed. I mean, I went fro= m 43 teeth to 39 and nothing happened. What gives? Guy (No not him, the new Guy. Guy Cheney) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:16:35 EST From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Thanks, but... In a message dated 12/12/98 12:27:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, GuyCheney@compuserve.com writes: << Only thing is, after I hacksawed four teeth off the rear sprocket I didn't get any change in the rpm at speed. I mean, I went from 43 teeth to 39 and nothing happened. What gives? >> Your joking, right? Did you really do that? Bill Swindle A12 Montgomery, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:51:26 -0500 (EST) From: miketortuga@webtv.net (michael Stecyk) Subject: (klr650) STOCK SEAT REBUILD? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: miketortuga@webtv.net (michael Stecyk) Subject: (klr650) KLR stock seat rebuild HI everybody, I presently have a 97klr with Corbin seat that is letting me down in comfort dept. Thinking of sending stock saddle to SARGENT'S in Jacksonville FLA.Have heard many rave about this outfit. Any comments , ideas ,experiences . Let me know. MIKE{a.k.a.Tortuga} Montreal Canada Merci! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:15:33 EST From: MOTOBEEM@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: KLR 650 / XR650L Greetings, I have replaced my 94, XR650L with a 99 KLR 650. My XR had a Supertrap, Honda re-jet, all the emission stuff removed, and the air box opened up. My stock KLR 650 is WAY stronger! I can run 80+ easily on roads where I could barely reach 70-75 on my XR. Power, longevity, comfort, luggage capacity, gas capacity, the KLR [in my opinion] wins hands down. SERIOUS off road work is where the XR's suspension and lighter weight works better. It depends on how you ride and what you expect. Oh, I forgot to mention that the XR has good breaks as opposed to the KLR's "barely, OK" ones. If I were a product liability lawyer for Kawasaki, I'd not want to have to defend them in a break related accident! Rick A13 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:38:31 -0600 From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Thanks, but... >In a message dated 12/12/98 12:27:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, >GuyCheney@compuserve.com writes: > ><< Only thing is, after I hacksawed four teeth off the rear > sprocket I didn't get any change in the rpm at speed. I mean, I went from > 43 teeth to 39 and nothing happened. What gives? >> Did you file it to a smooth finish so the chain wouldn't catch? ............. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #404 ****************************